[LOCKED]Hot Date/Event Display

<p><a href="https://www.swinglifestyle.com/profile/lookup.cfm?usercode=19904521">licksnkissez</a>,</p>

<p>You can adjust the distance. Select "Change Location" and the distance setting is listed there.</p>

Mayhem, thanks for clearing that up about the age thing. Yes, we have also noticed that any change isn't going to be undone, regardless of the complaints. Its a shame really. The previous version was much easier to navigate. We were able to jump on, check all the dates and events for a certain day we had free, and jump back off. There are many more steps involved to get the same info now.

Perhaps they could at least change it to where the distance was able to be set by the user, instead of always defaulting to 50m? Same with age preference on hot dates? Once you change it when posting a hot date or browsing hot dates, that parameter stays until you, the user, changes it again. As it is now each and every time you look at hot dates you have to select the distance, and each and every hot date you create you have to reset the age parameters.

Does that make sense?

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">"Allen...are you suggesting we change our location 20 times just to see events or hot dates we are willing to respond to and travel to?"</span></p>

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">Can you explain what you are talking about? Why would you have to change your location? Nothing we have done would affect that? You can set the Hot Dates up to 1000 miles just like before.</span></p>

Lol just have to point out today it reads there are 5100 and some hotdates.....we can only see 4 for the week and 0 for today.

Again the nearest major metro area is 60-70 miles from us...a distance option would be nice. We travel more than that to go to the club we enjoy. But right now the only hot date is for the club that is not our first choice or in our preference.

And no changing location is clunky and it takes forever to refresh.

Allen...are you suggesting we change our location 20 times just to see events or hot dates we are willing to respond to and travel to? That seems out of touch and absurd to do.

We have no issue of the age and sex filtering. We had to many that would just email us without reading the hot date. So that part is fine for us. It is the distance limitation with out an easy option to adjust.

I understand that change is hard...but as a designer I understand when negative feedback is hard to swallow. But ever heard the phrase the customer is always right....sometimes it's true and to ignore the feedback could kill the site. Sometimes you just have to swallow your pride.

Again this is a nation wide site if not international. You have people living outside major population centers that are willing to travel to meet up. Just guessing what place might be a potential date is clunky at best.

If anything there should be a distance option to people's profile then every feature on the site could go off of that. Like the age and sex preference.

We understand that some changes are necessary and people need to adapt. For instance we dont like the new message systems you cant see when people read your message and it doesn't keep the entire history of the conversation. But we adapt and accept change. Saying that The site administrators and designers needs to hear its users or be doomed to absurdity.

When we joined this was the best site to use. very user friendly very welcoming even to newbies now it seems to be very elite and clunky. And we noticed less and less people are using it. Us included wich is sad.

@JimandLynn - It was actually me that suggested that the changes may make it more likely for people to lie about their ages, but as Allen pointed out and I verified, the age range is based on what you enter on the Hot Date form and not what your profile is set to. Before I realized this, my thinking was that many people do not update their ages, much less their age ranges on their profile.

If people want to set a hard limit on age, it may well be their loss that they miss out on the exceptional people that may happen to be a year or 2 older (or younger) than the Hot Date age specified. The way that I see to work this is that I just use the default age range on the Hot Date form (18 - 99). I can always still say "No thanks", but this gives me the option rather than the Hot Date setting.

Past experience has shown that SLS will NOT roll back these changes. Allen can be an ass at times (as can I obviously ;-), but I don't think that's the case here. People that pay monthly will leave if they dislike things enough and us life-timers are left to try to make the best of it and "adapt". I have seen SLS improve the Message system from what they first rolled out. Part of that was from our input. I honestly think that's the best we can hope for with these latest (albeit unpopular) changes.

It's good that people voice their opinion of the changes and that Wayne is willing to listen, but what will really make a difference is if the changes they make cause them to lose more members than they gain. Only they will know if that's the case at least initially. It will be obvious in the future if we come here and hear crickets ;-)

Thanks Tips, and we agree.
Those of us who choose to take matters into our own hands since the staff probably wont do a thing and set our age preference to 18-99, though we are not open to 18 year olds nor 99 year olds are lying and "wasting everyone's time" according to Allen. We can live with that because we have the ability so say no to folks outside of our age preferences, just as they do for us. Better to be able to say no than have no option either way.
Perhaps that is an effective way to adapt to the unacceptable changes. We self-help since we cannot get staff help.
Unfortunately there is no good way to adapt to the loss of events on the hot date calendar. Local events are difficult to find, not in a logical order, and certainly are a time waster when looking for a local event. Hmmmm......
But we are just stupid. Feeling pretty stupid for giving this site much more of our time, and this discussion much more of our efforts. It seems minds are already made up, we just need to accept the changes because they are in our best interests. O.O

Now, my question is, if I or anyone else have an age preference, why would folks want to be deceptive and outright lie and waste someone's time?

Because age is a preference for most, meaning we like to look at all the available dates, not just the ones set to our preferences. Age preference isn't a hard and fast rule for most. The new format makes preference a hard and fast rule when browsing for compatible people. Looking for compatible folks isn't a waste of anyone's time.

Do you comprehend that?

Same goes with couples, singles, color, height, weight, etc.

Return the event/hot date calendar to its previous functionality or we will not be renewing our membership. That calendar is a deal breaker for us. End of story

"Jim, I’m not defending, I’m adapting, just as you and everyone else should be, instead of complaining to deaf ears. "

Ummm...no. You could not be more wrong and from every post you make you most definitely are 'defending'. Nobody should ever just sit back and 'deal' when something is bad. If you do not complain, things will never get fixed. Of course, there's an argument that SLS doesn't give a crap about existing users so will never fix and issue that they've created, but you certainly should try. Nowhere in life should you just accept bad crap if there's a chance you can fix it.

As for adapting...why? The changed system, especially for events, simply does not work well. It's so bad as to be unusable. If you have the time to sit working through all the different sections and clicks now required to find a potential event then good for you. It must be nice to have enough free time to have nothing better to do. Personally, I do not.

Which leaves two options - complain and hope that if enough do change happens (we've a whole country founded pretty much on this system) or leave the site. Adapting for me simply is not an option as there's nothing to adapt to. The changes have made it useless to me and many, many others. But of course, from all your posts you know better than just about everyone else it seems.

I'll leave it at that and let you continue to try talking down to everyone and failing.

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">"Age is a "preference" as you stated in a previous post. The changes have made age an "absolute". Every swinger we know makes exceptions for age based on any number of factors. Looks, personality, distance, whether or not they are vacationing, etc."</span></p>

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">I can't even begin to fathom or comprehend your statement. It is 100% the opposite of anything I have ever heard by swingers! How many times have you seen swingers complaining (right here in these forums) that "People never read profiles" or "People aren't answering my messages". If what you say was true, everyone would answer every message and hook up with everyone, since they are just "preferences" and they don't really care what someone's age, sex, height/weight is. If they were just "preferences" no would care if people didn't read their profile since they are going to hook up with everyone anyway. Numerous times I've seen people complaining that someone their sons's age contacted them: "This guy younger than my son contacted us! Ewww, gross, that's creepy." If what you say was true, no one would ever complain about that since age is just a "preference" that doesn't mean anything. </span></p>

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:open sans,sans-serif; font-size:14px">If you are going to be open to any age, then set it to: 18 - 99. It's that simple!</span></p>

Jim, I’m not defending, I’m adapting, just as you and everyone else should be, instead of complaining to deaf ears. Has anything worked in the past by complaining, no. To do something over and over and expect a different result than what has been is insanity. I’m making the best of what has been handed to me to use. I’m also answering questions that are as simple as making an observation, in an attempt to appease strangers.

So, if I prefer a max age of 57, your 58, that bothers you that there is an age range setting in the hot date? Not my problem, but be sure some will call your lying asses out for not only wasting their time, but for deception as well; all I can tell you is own your age and act it as well. My posts don’t suggest anyone lie, maybe a reread is in order.

~Allen

Hey Allen, since you are defending the changes, we will address you directly.

Age is a "preference" as you stated in a previous post. The changes have made age an "absolute". Every swinger we know makes exceptions for age based on any number of factors. Looks, personality, distance, whether or not they are vacationing, etc.

Your post suggests we "lie" based on age preference. Nobody is lying, we just have preferences, but almost all are willing to make exceptions. Just like whether we are looking for couples or singles at the moment. Have you never seen people who prefer couples, but are willing to party with the right single??? No? Never? Pfffft.

So, moving forward we are forced to "lie" about either our actual ages or age "requirements" (not preferences, there is a difference) in order to find people we may be compatible with, and who may actually enjoy our company despite their age "preference". Makes perfect sense to us.

The change to hot dates takes away our preferences and replaces them with your absolutes. Thanks. (as sarcastic as we can be, of course)

We're not liking the Hot Date & Event calendar changes like so many others. Unfortunately everyone's complaints may well fall on deaf ears as the e-mail change did. :-(

We really are not digging the hot dat/events change. The new look is nice and simple, but it lacks the amount of information the previous view had. Please reincorporate the events into the page and make the distance setting more prominent. We love the SLS site and have had such great success meeting other REAL lifestyle people. You have a great site, please consider these comments and recommendations

Hey your site changes are terrible for the hot date calendar if this is the way it is going to stay we think all members should request refund of membership and move to new site. Completely unusable now .WHY WOULD YOU CHANGE????

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As a SF, I would appreciate it if the age restrictions were for the Newest Matches & Random Matches.
It's not efficient when 4 out of 8 for the Newest and 2 out of 8 for the Random are the only matches.
I would appreciate even more if the criteria for sending me a message was within my age requirements on my profile.
If that happened, I would definitely open up my age range.
Now THAT would be an improvement to be very useful.

Unfortunately, I lost interest in the site when the Mail system changed to a Message system.
The Mail system provided a safety feature that stored all communications.
The Message system only provides that if I keep an unwanted message ... I like to have a clean box!

Going into my Messages isn't much fun anymore as the majority are deleted - the quality has declined recently.
FWIW, I didn't experience this that much with the Mail system.

And, speaking of SAFETY/DISCRETION ...
What is the logic for having an app?
I think I read that most people have a phone compared to a desktop/laptop.
ALL phones these days have web browsers to view SLS - for PRIVACY.
Access has always been available, so what needed to be improved?

I understand that it is almost 2020 and social platforms are forever evolving.
However, successful entrepreneurs listen to the "wants & needs" of their customers.
And, remember, the best form of advertising is word of mouth.
This is also true when people have negative experiences.

My Grandma always told me that you can attract more flies with honey than with sh*t ...
And, she was a very successful woman!
K.I.S.S.

As a SF, I would appreciate it if the age restrictions were for the Newest Matches & Random Matches.
It's not efficient when 4 out of 8 for the Newest and 2 out of 8 for the Random are the only matches.
I would appreciate even more if the criteria for sending me a message was within my age requirements on my profile.
If that happened, I would definitely open up my age range.
Now THAT would be an improvement to be very useful.

Unfortunately, I lost interest in the site when the Mail system changed to a Message system.
The Mail system provided a safety feature that stored all communications.
The Message system only provides that if I keep an unwanted message ... I like to have a clean box!

Going into my Messages isn't much fun anymore as the majority are deleted - the quality has declined recently.
FWIW, I didn't experience this that much with the Mail system.

And, speaking of SAFETY/DISCRETION ...
What is the logic for having an app?
I think I read that most people have a phone compared to a desktop/laptop.
ALL phones these days have web browsers to view SLS - for PRIVACY.
Access has always been available, so what needed to be improved?

I understand that it is almost 2020 and social platforms are forever evolving.
However, successful entrepreneurs listen to the "wants & needs" of their customers.
And, remember, the best form of advertising is word of mouth.
This is also true when people have negative experiences.

My Grandma always told me that you can attract more flies with honey than with sh*t ...
And, she was a very successful woman!
K.I.S.S.

This is a question that is on everybody 's mind. What was accomplished making this change?
Why was this change brought about? What's the purpose ?
Nobody ever complained that this is what we needed.
Was there a desired result ?

You have a couple profile. If they are only setting it to single females then they are not interested in YOUand do not want to see YOU because you have a couple profile. If they are interested in couples, they should indicate that in the Hot Date or Profile. If your wife participates as a single, she needs to create a single female profile for herself and pay for it. That has always been the policy of the site. A couple profile should always be used as a couple. A single profile should always be used as a single.

Customer Service - Wayne

Has always been the rule? Weekly since we have been members I see a couple profile with a hall pass. Kristen met a single guy here, does she owe you money?

"he big thing we notice is the hot dates and it seems to have a distance feature that can not be changed."

Licksnkisses: Click on change location, an option to change distance will appear.

~Allen

<p>"<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">if they specify females only, she can&rsquo;t see their hotdate posting. Way to discriminate SLS."</span></p>

<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">You have a couple profile. If they are only setting it to single females then they are not interested in YOU and do not want to see YOU because you have a couple profile. If they are interested in couples, they should indicate that in the Hot Date or Profile. If your wife participates as a single, she needs to create a single female profile for herself and pay for it. That has always been the policy of the site. A couple profile should always be used as a couple. A single profile should always be used as a single. </span></p>

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<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">Customer Service - Wayne</span></p>

Not a big fan of the change.. looks like with everyone else. ... the big thing we notice is the hot dates and it seems to have a distance feature that can not be changed. there was a couple that is about 130 miles away only a 2 hr drive from us we were thinking of emailing them about their hot date if our schedule clears up.. but now on that date only 3 shows up and they are all with in 50miles.

think we can handle the new design it is kinda clunky.. but with time maybe we all can get use to it. but limiting the distance of hot dates is an issue especially when you live so far from major population areas.

I do agree that some of the changes are hurting SLS and perhaps driving people away... when we first join it was easy to fine, chat and meet up with people.. now it seem a lot of lurkers and its hard to set anything up with all the regulations and limitations. It seems to be falling behind with other related sites.

A common occurrence:

Wife and sitting around early in the week, and we realize we have Saturday night free and we'd like to get out with some swinger folk. We'd open up the Hot Date calendar and scroll through all the sexy people telling us they will be out and about. And we'd look through ALL the events (not separated by category) happening with the ability to see the number of attendees. This allowed us to see the more popular events right from the list. Now we have to hunt and peck to see what is going on.