Is FMF even common?

As the third, I've had hundreds of FMFs/FFMs. As a straight couple, it's been...five? Because it doesn't give me the same charge as being the third. I've also had a fair number of FMF threesomes where the other woman was my partner and the guy was the guest star.

I went into the lifestyle with the aim of having sex in a safe setting with people who were sex positive. I'd had a couple of threesomes before and they were not great, so that was not something I was looking for, but my second time at a club I got scooped up by a couple of hot Canadians and they proved that it wasn't the threesome configuration itself that was the problem.

Even better, he was bi and many nights ended with watching him and another guy. Super hot.

LoveMeKnot144 - Too bad we didn't live closer because there are definitely parties up this way where I'm sure some of our bi friends would be more than happy to help you scratch that MMF itch ;-) I've gotten to see the Mrs on a bed with 4 bi guys at once, and another time with 3 bi guys at once that are some of the VERY happy memories that I mentioned in a prior post.

At the last LS party I went to I was part of an opportunistic FMF. This is rare for me, and NOT something I actually fantasize about. There were guys looking on saying how lucky I was, but honestly, this would be more fun for me as a FFM than an FMF. I certainly have the stamina and equipment needed for the job, but I just don't feel like I can satisfy 2 women at once the way a woman can satisfy 2 or more guys at once.

Since I derive a lot of my pleasure from my partners pleasure, an FMF just isn't as fun for me as an MFM. I'm guessing I'm in a very small group of "capable" guys that would prefer an MFM over an FMF. Capable just means I have no physical/medical impediments to being able to pleasure women.

We had it once. Once.

Mrs AandJ is straight as stated in our bio. Not curious, not a pillow princess, straight. So there's no chance of FFM or any gg play at all.

I can tell you it was more nerve racking for me as I was focused on making sure both ladies had a good time and we stayed within the Mrs boundaries. We both agreed that we have plenty of lessons to apply should we ever be in that situation again.

I’ve found FFM is probably more common than FMF. Maybe because most of my women friends lean bi in group situations. We’re definitely more bi-sexual than bi-relationship, if that makes sense. Even in group scenarios, the women have no problem playing together. The men take a bit more to feel comfortable touching each other.

Although I’ve had a few MFM, I’m still on the elusive search for a hot MMF. Or even guys who feel comfortable playing with everyone in group situations. I’m getting closer though!!

~LMK~

I've had many MFM's but also a few FMF's. They usually have occurred when I'm with a woman and a close female friend of her's starts watching and then joins in. The best was when a lady friend and I went to visit a couple she was close to. Early on, she unzipped my pants to proudly display my cock to her female friend. Her husband had to leave unexpectedly for a work task. Shortly after, the three of us were in bed, first the ladies kissing, then they turned their attention to me. They were kissing me and them both running their tongues all over my cock. MY lady friend moved to the edge of the bed. Her friend got on top and started riding me. We both had these powerful sensations and finally I exploded into the strongest orgasm I have ever had. I uncontrollably yelled out. Both ladies thought they had damaged me somehow but I reassured them it was all positive. I'll likely will never have anything like that happen again but it was magnificent.

Esperanza who are you referring to?

(I hate that this site doesn’t automatically quote replies. It’s confusing.)

I don't understand why you list as bi while your entire profile is about wanting to fuck men.

In my world MMF is common and easy to accomplish. MFM is definitely harder, but I've had a few of those and it looks like I'll have a couple more in the near future with my FWB and some unicorns we've found.

The times it's happened for us was when we were playing with another couple & the ladies played with each man & vice versa. Think most couples especially when starting out, have the desire for a unicorn to join them & discover it's not that easy. We found that most had a man in the picture or they were bat shit crazy. Lol! Diane has satisfied most of her Bi curiosity & now we're primarily straight up full swap.

Hotluvrs: "Well, maybe that’s because you look great, and you’re smart, and nice, and you make my wife laugh."

Thanks for the wonderful complement. We felt such a natural connection with you two!

We find attitude and intellect to be some of the sexiest qualities.

Extrafunduo:

“ We seem to have no trouble with this. Still only 10% of our play, but it does occur. Maybe the Carolinas are a better place for it.”

Well, maybe that’s because you look great, and you’re smart, and nice, and you make my wife laugh.

Similar to what happened to me. I was with a guy, and the woman giving head to the man next to us said she wanted to be next. So after I finished with him, I looked for her. She was face down between another woman's legs. I waited until she came up for air, and asked her if she was still interested. She was, so I mounted her doggie-style while she continued to go down on the other woman. We all came about the same time. Triple simultaneous orgasm, for the win.

ionsawmill - I was part of an FFM once in a spur of the moment thing. Two women where playing with each other at a party and one gave me a look that just sort of screamed at me "I want dick". I remember seeing that, and next thing I know I somehow wound up in the middle of them with the focus being on one of the two women.

It was bizarre because the time between that "look" and me actually playing with them was a complete blur. It's about as close as I get to "sex drunk", but I remember everything else before and after that short span of time. It was like one of them literally had me under her spell, if there is such a thing.

Never been part of an FMF. I did have an FFM threesome once.

hedo - "My Wife is totally fed up with men that can't perform."

This is why we prefer parties with SMs. I have more fun when I see the Mrs is having fun. Luckily we do have a lot of experienced LS friends around our age where we know that the guy can perform. This male performance issue tends to happen more to us when meeting new couples at parties, and it could well be new-to-swinging jitters.

To the topic, FMF has been rare for us as well. I'm just not a huge fan of being the center of attention when it comes to receiving, so MFM tends to be more common for us. Some of the times it happened has been that we were with just a female LS friend. We didn't meet with the intent of playing, but a couple drinks later and everyone wanted to.

It's not for lack of opportunity as it is a feeling of having to orchestrate this too much. The few times it has happened was more like it happened with @hedo where it just sort of happened naturally. I'm certainly not opposed to doing an FMF, but It is not something we actively pursue.

FMF play? We've had it happen only twice. After hooking up with a couple, we were in separate beds at hotel parties. What happened was the guy my wife was with couldn't. get it up or keep it up, got depressed and gave up. That was when my wife came over to the bed that I was in with the guys wife. So I had two women at the same time. Getting head from two women at the same time is fantastic. Wife here isn't Bi, but she will share with other women. My Wife is totally fed up with men that can't perform.

"She can . . .I dunno, go to the fucking grocery store and find someone to fuck her."

Eroticamazon, I want to find out where you're getting groceries.

We seem to have no trouble with this. Still only 10% of our play, but it does occur. Maybe the Carolinas are a better place for it.

Long story short - MFF is unlikely. Single women here list as bi but want dick, and want to be pillow princesses. Married bi women want your wife, not you.

My wife is actually bisexual. She has yet to meet anybody who lists as bi who is actually truly into women (by their own admission, and as is made obvious by how they "play").

Women who are into women are into them to the same depths and breadths that heterosexual men are into women. There is nothing sexy about getting with a woman who only says she is into my wife, but actually isn't.

It is a supply and demand situation. Many couples want this but there are far fewer single women in the LS and they aren't all interested in couples. On a given night at a party I might go for it but if I am making time to meet someone it's going to be a single guy who might click for an ongoing friendship. I know couples who take turns to make this happen. Another way is for the wife to extract a favor from one of her friends.

You have been in the LS for 7 years. Have you figured out the ratio yet?

Here, let me help you a little :)

For every couple, there are 100 single males.

For every 100 couples, there is 1 single female.

Now, that is not scientific, nor exactly accurate, but it is probably not that far off.

Then you run into the other reality. When we got into the lifestyle, eons ago, we were never looking for FMF or the proverbial SF. However, we got it . . . a LOT. Here is what we learned from one of the SFs and I think this is the best knowledge I have garnered about how things work.

Imagine, it is Saturday night. You, the male, want to go out. You shower and clean up to a tee, you shave to perfection, full on hair work, etc. you then put on your best clothes. But wait . . . you are going to a club and you may be seen in your car, so you made sure that it was washed and cleaned beforehand. Of course, you put on the Sex Panther cologne. What is your agenda? To get laid.

Now, let's change sexes. The woman takes her shower, shaves the parts, puts on the lotions/oils, blowdries the hair, primps and then puts on her sexiest clothing. She drives to the club. What is her agenda? To get laid. Sounds just like the guy right? The difference is the guy is TRYING to get laid. The woman knows if she is getting laid.

Now how does that tie into the lifestyle? Because a woman decides. Does she want a COCK or does she want to have a COCK and PUSSY to play with? What I have found is that it is like that ratio listed above. For every 100 cocks she may want a pussy. Does that SF need to go to a LS event to get laid? Nope. She can . . .I dunno, go to the fucking grocery store and find someone to fuck her.

Then you run into the next issue. Seeing that the woman is single, is she hunting for sex, a boyfriend, or a husband?

So what you are looking for is extremely elusive. We were very fortunate, I guess, for being at the right place at the right time and being the right age at the time. When we were in our 20s, we had the most FMFs of any age bracket. See, this is the other thing that I believe you may not be taking into consideration. When we were at the on-premise club, we were pretty much the ONLY ones in our 20s. Sure, there were a couple in their 30s, but most were in their 40s and older. How old are single females? Again, ratios :) Start going down that pipeline from 20 to 30. At 20, there are a lot of SFs, at 30, there are a lot less, and at 40, well, why is that 40-year-old woman who is gorgeous, single? Does she have mental issues? Is she a widower? What is the reason?

We were able to have a 19-year-old SF that just liked to fuck. She would show up at the club and it was ON like Donkey Kong. She said something that also stuck in my head. She said, "A 50 year old will fuck a 20 year old. A 20 year old will not fuck a 50 year old." That was wisdom!

Trying to find FMF's, they are incredibly rare. The only way we see them now is if a wife is 'borrowed' from another couple or randomly at a party. I was fortunate at my birthday party last year to have a MFFFFF. All the women put me in a room and closed the door, leaving all the other men outside. Between the giggling of all the women, and then them trying to stack on top of each other and falling over, I spent more time laughing than getting and staying hard. It was funny watching them try and straddle each other so that their butts were up in the air and then it collapsed and two of them almost fell on the floor.

It happens.. trues story we were traveling in South Carolina for the eclipse with a swinger guy friend. He was on SLS talking with a new SLS couple.. they wanted to meet us so all 5 met at a local restaurant / bar. They explained they were new to swinging but she wanted a 3 sum with our GUY FWB and my wife.. so, we all talked about it, went back to our hotel and made her dreams come true.

It lasted about 2 hours off and on with some BJ's thrown in for the other 2 men watching and having some adult beverages. it all ended because the front desk called and said the ladies were being too loud. we all laughed as it was the new couple's wife.. It ended on a good note, made dreams come true and we continued with 3 sum festivities after they left

So folks.. just think outside the box, always ask what you are looking for and dont look just at singles!

That's the hard one to put together. The hotter the wife, the more likely it is that you will obtain this rarity. I've had it twice in past relationships and both times it was the Female of another couple we had played with after their relationships ended.

Question for everyone we often talk about many different types of group Play.. how common do you think FMF is? And please share your experiences if you've had that type of play.
We've been in lifestyle for 7 years. Wife leans more straight, we haven't been able to find FMF. For us we do a lot of MMF and a few couple swaps, so we're not really experienced in that sorta play.