Updated profile policy

This thread has been around awhile but is still a thorn. As wayne stated:

"The policy regarding Hot Dates is simply to use the Hot Dates feature for anything time, date, or location specific. That is not the point of your profile. It is all about using the right tool for the job. We started reviewing all profile edits due to FOSTA laws and part of this policy is to cut down on the number of profile edits we have to review. Reviewing profile edits takes up more time that reviewing a hot date submission. It is more efficient for this content to be entered as Hot Dates instead of profile updates, which is not the point of the profile anyway."

And that's all well and good but when you're traveling to a location for two weeks and Hot Date doesn't allow you to post a time frame, only a specific day, we're supposed to post 14 separate Hot dates? And you are worried about increasing the frequency of checking profile edits? You now want to review 14 separate hot dates? Scratching my head here but again, you sure don't seem responsive to the OVERWHELMING desires of your user base.

They can probably do that because of the financial arrangement between the cruise and SLS.
No , wait a minute, would that be a FOSTA violation??

I still do not get why this is an issue other than providing a means for free members to post Hot Dates that otherwise wouldn't be allowed.

It took me a little trial and error to figure out the new policy, but stated simply: you may NOT post any dates, events, or places that you are attending in your profile.

They will lock your profile with the message, "You MUST remove all references to Hot Dates. Hot Dates can be posted on the Hot Dates section of our site." What SLS means is, you may not post anything that may go in a Hot Date, in your Profile. We requested in several Support Tickets for them to cite the problem in our profile, but received back were automated messages referring us to the policy and then Support would close the ticket and leave our profile locked. We have always kept "Updates" at the top of our profile where we would say what trips we have for the year, anything new we were into, if we posted new pics, etc. Upon removing information about our two planned Desire Pearl trips, the profile was approved and we were unlocked. Voila. Simple if you think about it, but I'd have never guessed they didn't want profiles to mention vacations. I suppose they are pushing people to use the Hot Dates section. Hope the explanation helps anyone with a locked profile. Assuming you can read this while locked.

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LI73 is correct. There is coding out there so good it knows the difference between a naked body and a body in a bikini. It has replaced/reduced the amount of human interference and work load.

You are talking about AI and it is not easy

It's actually Machine Learning or Deep Learning which is fundamentally different from AI. There are already many machine learning libraries available for programming languages, some of which are so accurate they are already being used to replace human labor.

Hey Mayhem, hope it's going well....
Totally agree, and we also use other invites, since not all of our friends are on SLS.

Thanks for the explanation Wayne.

I guess we never thought we were advertising our House Parties, but more like saying "if you've heard, and contact us for an invite, it probably isn't happening, but if you want to meet us....that's a different story."

If we wanted to advertise, we'd open them up.

That being said, we may not agree with the rule, but will follow it. Thanks again, HotPepperz

Morse code hasn't gotten flagged by computers yet? Even the words dot, domain and symbols/numbers/letters grouped that don't spell anything should be flagged by a computer! It would make your lives so much easier and that 1,000 would drop.

@sls_WayneC

ok that morse code thing is kinda funny...
yes basic AI can do a lot of it though.
and even humans will miss stuff. I mean really how many know morse code. you would simply write an coding rule to reject more than 5 non-standard characters in a row and flag it for human review. its all about the programing but really not that hard we do it for forms all a the time. you should talk to your IT folks. whats that saying work smarter not harder.

on an aside thank you for explaining the motivations for the change. whether we agree with it or not it helps that you have made an effort to explain and for that we thank you

<p><a href="https://www.swinglifestyle.com/profile/lookup.cfm?usercode=62134258">slowseduction4me</a>,</p>

<p>You are talking about AI and it is not easy. Also, humans are smart and many don't like to follow rules, so they can easily thwart computers. Not too long ago, a guy spelled out his contact information using Morse code. </p>

@HotPepperz - We also have house parties but never post any dates on here. Our parties are made up of friends that we met on various sites and at other parties. Once in a great while we will allow a new couple or single, but as you likely know, trying to actually meet and talk with someone new at a house party your hosting generally doesn't work. You just get very little time to get to know them, which is another reason for not wanting to do open invites.

I do not have nor do I want a group on here for this. We are already at a point where we are pushing the parking limits of what I have available. This is also strictly for the fun of it. Since we also don't charge and we do these at our home, we have no incentive to invite people we don't know and/or ones that would be unlikely to fit in. This does make for some awesome parties because pretty much everyone there is on the same page as everyone else.

As for invites, I use a commonly available free invite app and just maintain a list of outside email addresses of our friends. This makes quick work of invites without sharing email addresses. SLS could go away tomorrow and it would not impact our ability to have parties, though we are obviously not having or looking to have any until a vaccine becomes available.

@sls_WayneC
We understand FOSTA but certainly this is easily solved with coding why would anyone be culling profiles manually in 2020?
Flag violations for human review and then teach the algorithm why it failed it gets smarter as you go and then you handle even less.

As far as not being part of the profile isn't that or really shouldn't that be determined more by the individual. Some folks put lots of details in their profile some put very little its both a comfort level and a personal choice. What about allowing members to have a travel too area or alternate profile locations so they can "travel" more easily?

sls_WayneC I just pulled numbers that were easy to work with and understand out the air. I made no claim to them being factual numbers LOL. I kind of figured there were more daily.

<p>The policy regarding Hot Dates is simply to use the Hot Dates feature for anything time, date, or location specific. That is not the point of your profile. It is all about using the right tool for the job. We started reviewing all profile edits due to FOSTA laws and part of this policy is to cut down on the number of profile edits we have to review. Reviewing profile edits takes up more time that reviewing a hot date submission. It is more efficient for this content to be entered as Hot Dates instead of profile updates, which is not the point of the profile anyway.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.swinglifestyle.com/profile/lookup.cfm?usercode=62796694">RusticMagic</a>,</p>

<p>Your numbers are low. There can be up to around 1000 profile edits a day to review. </p>

<p><a href="https://www.swinglifestyle.com/profile/lookup.cfm?usercode=52888180">HotPepperz</a>,</p>

<p>You cannot promote your group in your profile. That has always been the policy for all the years I have been here (almost 20). VIP members (club owners) do have more perks with advertising as part of that program. You can submit a ticket under the Clubs/Events category for information about the VIP program. </p>

HotPepperz no problem. We don't own or manage a group or organize parties and will never get involved in even helping with that (we did help working with others once back in the late 90's early 00's and it turned into a nightmare). I was just trying to help make sense of it especially based on what we were told. Until they say we cannot we will keep the fact we attend parties with the group when we can (pretty much what we have not word for word). Never have we mentioned any date(s) until we had to take our yearly seasonal hiatus and wanted folks to know why responses would be delayed and we would not be able to meet up. That profile change got rejected leaving the original up. BTW downloading the app and accessing at least messages while in the hotel actually was better anyway as we could still reply most nights depending on hotel internet. I still prefer using my computer for access.

Rustic, sorry...it is on this site, "House Parties in the Sticks"

Rustic-- thanks for the response....
Never any dates on the profile, and we never charge anything. Just a party for friends, and the group was an easy way to have a sign up, and send out invites.

I guess by mentioning it on the profile, we were hoping to: 1) attracting new couples we'd like to meet, and house parties being used as the proverbial carrot, and 2) letting those know that had heard and looking for an invite, that the party was for friends, and we're easy to be friends with, but they would have to meet us.

Nothing ever but that....

Erotica-- I read later in another forum post that someone was posting their group on the Wall-- that may have been you guys also...but that's a great idea, and we'll talk about it and maybe use it!
Thanks for the response and the idea!

The way SLS wants you to act with your group, is not put it in your Profile, but instead use the App and create a a comment in "Feed" and make it public. That flows through to a button on your profile called "Profile Feed" there you can talk about your group all you want, except probably anything about money and outside links. I'm not going to test that. The "Feed" button only shows comments you make on the Wall, not everyone else's crap.

If you create an event on SLS under your group, you can make it private, so only members can see it. If you make it public, it flows to the Hot Date page where everyone can see it, including who is attending. For my group, I approve all members (couples over 40) and every event is private. Group administers can also send bulk e-mails. Yes e-mails!

Yesterday I added the following comment to our profile: "Don't forget to look at our Profile Feed to get up to date information on us." It got approved and the Feed has details on the group. I don't understand the rational, and never will, but that is our workaround. Watch our profile will be deactivated after this post.

HotPepperz I have to ask if it is such a problem posting about a house party for a private group why would you put information out about it anywhere? Now I have a question is the private group one here on this site? I asked a similar question a while back and the answer I got was mentioning you attend parties hosted by a group on here here it is okay as long as you do not mention specifics like a party date. Nothing I saw in the "new" announcement changed that. Not knowing specifics you either ran afoul of the date side of things or the group is not one that is here on SLS is all I can imagine went wrong. I could be wrong and the "new" notice changed and you can no longer mention a group even if it is here but I doubt it.

BTW the way it works for what we attend you sign up here on the event listed on SLS (shows as an event on the hot date calendar and home page not sure if non-members see it). Then they also put a banner on your profile. We have had up to 3 banners for the same group having signed up for 3 parties. In the end I have to assume there is a "fee" associated with it due to the advertising but there may not be. Another line of thinking on this is if members post about events it circumvents the fee. That too could be the reason behind it. Still the policy makes sense in regards to number of changes due to posting about a vacation or party and changing after it.

Our profile was taken off line today because we had information in its about our private house party group.

When I read the new policy the other day I sent through their favored email system a question that asked if it was going to still be OK to have information about our house party group. They never got back to me.

Instead they took me off line today . When I made changes and notified them that I had made changes, I was all snarky and told them that I wish they would have answered my question the other day. My profile is back online now and they Again did not address the question that I asked.

So this wasn't just about Hot Dates. I have a private house party group that I can't even say anything about to passers by looking at our profile. All it ever said was if they heard about this from friends and just ask to be in a group, it probably isn't going to happen. Because we want to meet everybody 1st and the group is for our friends...and if they want to meet us and we are friends they're in.

This doesn't make sense. Why would I ever want to post anything about a house party that is a private group on a Hot Date?

Our profile was taken off line today because we had information in its about our private house party group.

When I read the new policy the other day I sent through their favored email system a question that asked if it was going to still be OK to have information about our house party group. They never got back to me.

Instead they took me off line today . When I made changes and notified them that I had made changes, I was all snarky and told them that I wish they would have answered my question the other day. My profile is back online now and they Again did not address the question that I asked.

So this wasn't just about Hot Dates. I have a private house party group that I can't even say anything about to passers by looking at our profile. All it ever said was if they heard about this from friends and just ask to be in a group, it probably isn't going to happen. Because we want to meet everybody 1st and the group is for our friends...and if they want to meet us and we are friends they're in.

This doesn't make sense. Why would I ever want to post anything about a house party that is a private group on a Hot Date?