tbrmskss Please read the following paragraph.
The infallibility refers to how people perceive things. (As in "follow the science" when it is quite clear if you listen to the scientists they will be the first to admit that it is all conjecture based on available data.)
" the science of today is infallible when it makes pronouncements."
This statement by itself shows that you don't understand science.
"Science is a way of thinking much more than it is a body of knowledge".
-Carl Sagan
Re: std tests and covid questions asked of potential playmates. Sure! We all know no one lies on sls! :)
I will hold with my statement. People have always had there own science.
To view science as a monolithic structure is ludicrous;
At the point that Galileo and Copernicus were radical , the best of what passed for science said they were fools. By todays standards clearly they are not.
By todays standards ( which "OBVIOUSLY" are the standards of all time forward) the science of today is infallible when it makes pronouncements.
Actually pronouncements by scientists are very rare. As witness compare the number of theorems to the number of theories. It is the media and laypeople that think they are pronouncements. The view from the hilltop is always in flux.
What I read is more haggling and possible ways of verifying and explaining new observations.
In this sense in pretty much every field. There are several competing "Schools" of science. The only real unifying thing is a theoretical adherence to what we see today as the conventions of scientific research.
I say theoretical adherence because the same demons that plagued "science" in the late middle ages still exist. Politics, personal turf wars, and the need by the "true authorities" to by infallibly correct.
Advancement has always been driven by those who question what is. Survival is protected by following the best advice we can glean.
I wonder how our science will be seen in 500 years.
We have Llamas and a whole bunch of asses up in here.
Just my scienterrific opinionated findings.........
:-)
~Allen
Certainlynthere are different theories in science, which lead some people to different conclusions.
That is a feature, not a bug.
The core of the scientific method is falseifiability.
Science is based on the best available explanation given the available information.
If someone comes up with a better explanation, supported by evidence, it is incumbent on the researcher to accept the new theory.
Science never proves anything. But it has discovered lots of things are not so...
You are an it guy.
Just because your degree says " computer science" doesn't mean you are a scientist...
LOL
Yes, that is a great idea, because the liars & cheaters will absolutely be truthful about their vaccine status??
Man, that's one smart llama ;-)
Science is not an opinion once validation is complete....the opinion is how to use and apply this knowledge....I am a Scientist, not medical science but Science just the same
I'm a llama.
Science isn't opinions. I mean, you can have an opinion that says science is opinions, but you'll be wrong.
<p>“<span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">Science is based on evidence.”</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">Evidence can lead to multiple and different (conflicting) conclusions. Especially when dealing with complex sets of evidence. </span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:14px">I fully understand “science”. I am a scientist. </span></p>
"Science (from the Latin word scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe."
"Scientific method - a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."
An opinion can be a hypothesis, but without observation and proper testing, it's just an opinion.
"Science is people's opinions."
You don't understand science.
Science is based on evidence. People have opinions about science.
<p><a href="https://www.swinglifestyle.com/profile/lookup.cfm?usercode=17435002">tbrmskss</a>,</p>
<p>Science is created by people and as you say, people have their own opinions. Science is people's opinions. </p>
"People have always had there own science."
LOL.
People have always had their own opinions, not their own science.
And you know what they say about opinions.
"Actually, the purpose of this thread was a suggestion for a “I’ve been vaccinated” icon that a person could voluntarily turn on or off on their profile. We are taking it into consideration." Wayne, Might as well add the HPV, Hepatitis A & B, H1N1 to that as well so people know that they have been vaccinated against those too.
Do it if you like. My guess is that most will turn it off. Even those of us who are vaccinated.
We will just leave that piece of information up for discussion when we start communicating.
tbrmss,
"People don't have their own science..."
People have always had there own science.
Keep in mind that at one point the earth is a globe that orbits the sun was the alternative scientific opinion.
It is the positing of possibles that challenge us to further define something that is hopefully closer to the truth.
Unsubscribe is your friend...
I just posted something in Travel that was specific to what (if anything) people are running into regarding proof of Covid vaccines and/or immunity to travel, either foreign or domestic.
While this topic may have been talked about for a while, it was just a moot point until fairly recently when larger #'s of people actually got vaccinated. There are definitely political aspects to a "vaccination passport", but there are also some realities that may come into play regarding jumping through hoops to travel.
I understand the point being made of "Where does it end?", and that does sound more like a topic for Politics. The politics of this however don't help anyone navigate the near future requirements for travel. Hearing about what people are actually encountering out there does.
"Actually, the purpose of this thread was a suggestion for a “I’ve been vaccinated” icon that a person could voluntarily turn on or off on their profile. We are taking it into consideration."
Wayne,
Might as well add the HPV, Hepatitis A & B, H1N1 to that as well so people know that they have been vaccinated against those too. There is a Vaccine for the Hepatitis C but can't remember which strain it was for. We might want to add that one too.
The point is this topic is like Religion and Politics. No matter what is said there are too many veried opinions here on this subject since it is political in nature and has been since November 2019 and has only gotten more and more political. So maybe this thread should be moved to the politics thread where it belongs.
This is going to sound like (but isn't meant to be) sarcasm: For every thread, there is an Unsubscribe button in the upper third of the left hand side of the screen for when anyone decides a conversation isn't for them. Unlike a profile block, the thread doesn't go away, but you're not reminded of it again.
Hawaii not only has a geographic advantage if they want to require a vaccine passport, they have a robust infrastructure for something like this. They already restrict pets - it used to be a four month quarantine in Honolulu in a state-run facility; now you can do your quarantine before you move to the islands - agriculture (do not try to smuggle in raw fruit unless you'd like to risk jail), etc. Which is probably an indicator that not only is the infrastructure in place, so is the political and social will to impose restrictions on visitors.
When a profile says that a couple is “disease free”, there’s no definitive way to know for certain if one or both don’t have syphilis. Just because they say they don’t, doesn’t mean that they don’t.
We make a lot assumptions and take a lot of things on faith. Our profile says we’re COVID vaccinated, and we carry a copy of our vax cards. But I’m sure there are still people out there that might not believe us.
