Magically disappear

A Z, welcome to the new future Socialist Society. You will sacrifice for the Corporation and or State.

If I worked In CA as a non-computer job, and paid between the $65k and the $95k, I would be filing a law suit based on the equal protection clause under the 14th.

Why treat computer programmers from other jobs where exempt employees are expected to work long hours?

My SIL works as a manager at a retailer's distribution center. His shift workers work 40 hours, but he shows up 2 hours early to prep assignments and stays 2 hours late to do reports, so instead of 40, he is closer to 60-70 hours a week.

I'll take your word for it that you didn't support David Duke, really I don't think I've ever met anyone who did. He didn't get many votes in any case, lunatics and radicals rarely do.

But that's not what I asked you.

"Are you saying that you only consider voting for someone if people that look like you support them?"

David Duke was a Klansman. Black or brown people that look like me......... probably for the most part didn't support Duke.
Fortunately, the racists did not outnumber the good people when Duke ran for Presidency.

But once again, the word "only" is so definitive and locked in

@212

I do not know when the state did that carve out tech workers on OT. It was interesting to learn though :) It was an education from a CPA that taught me that.

I just saw this:

"Effective January 1, 2020, employers must pay their California computer professional employees a salary of at least $96,968.33 annually ($8,080.71 monthly) or an hourly wage of $46.55 for every hour worked in order to remain exempt from paying such employees overtime compensation"

"If you got 85k you were exempt from OT."

Ha! It's twice minimum wage or more, which currently means 49K. Been that way for at least two decades as far as I know.

"It is pronounced Ag Fa."

Not really.

Note to self: start making bar bets on having Americans pronounce Aktien-Gesellschaft für Anilin-Fabrikation, and get filthy rich and/or die laughing.

NandR, on my business card,,,, "TAKE A CHANCE" "if you are not living on the edge you are taking up too much room".

TBR - "Still trying to sit at the big person's table..."

Awww, keep your chins up, little guy.

Maybe if you develop a bit more emotional maturity, you might be allowed to sit with the adults...

DON'T GIVE UP!

On another subject - Does anyone know if Michelle Obama or Hillary attended Lewis' funeral?

Having: OMG, we agree. I'll add to your "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity" by saying "if you are willing to take a risk and grab that opportunity"

I do work in software.

I wrote my first commercial application almost 40 years ago to the day.

I have been involved in the computer industry for all but 7 years of my life.

Those companies are pieces of shit. I am not going to call it anything other than how I see it. I had IBM as a customer. They were ok as a customer.

Ever wonder how sometimes I can post all day and sometimes not? It depends upon if I feel like firing up my IDE and writing code or not. Sometimes I like to go all day and write code. Sometimes I like to take little breaks and use this a diversion. Sometimes I like to take days off.

I have known plenty of people who have worked at Google, Facebook, Dell, VMWare, HP (email for clients), Cisco, Citrix (former customer when they were two guys from IBM), Salesforce, Microsoft (former employer of mine), Lynda, to just name a few.

That tactic is bullshit.

That tactic is what changed California's employment law. I am not sure if you are aware, but CA has an interesting employment law for overtime. If you are in the nerd world, you have an extremely high min wage to get over the 'overtime' issue. I do not remember what it was exactly and what it is today (it moves every year, mainly up, sometimes down) but it was 85k. If you got 85k you were exempt from OT. This was because shitty companies were getting nerds to work 18 hour days, 7 days a week.

This is why Phoenix got a nerd infusion. AZ laws aren't that way.

Now excuse me for a minute, JetBrains is calling :)

Erotic, it is a good thing you don't work in software. Most of the large companies do regular layoffs. MCI, Compuware, even HP did regular layoffs. IBM has resumed the regular layoffs (and the severance that goes with it) after the lean years where they had to use tricks to get people to quit, like slashing pay and forcing people to relocate. Don't get me started on the contract jobs. More pay, if you don't mind changing jobs every 6-12 months.

@AZ

Remind me to never work at any of those companies. In plain English, they sound like a piece of shit place to work. Fear and intimidation is not the best method to motivate people.

Back in the early 1990s I sold products from Agfa. I sold their pre-press products. I started a campaign where I had about 2000 leads in the SE that needed to be followed up. As this was a temporary position, I hired some people from a firm to come in and dial for dollars. Their job was to follow up and verify the interest and if it was really hot, put them on hold and I'd take over. One of the guys could not say Agfa for shit. It is pronounced Ag Fa. After the third time of him fucking it up, the perfectionist in my younger body wanted to fire him. Fortunately, my wife was working for me and is a lot smarter about some things than I am. She saw the anger and frustration I was having with this guy. I went to her and said, if you don't get rid of the idiot, I will. She went and spent 20 minutes with the guy. She explained how it was important to us to sound professional and how that he needed to work on the annunciation. She took the time with him and he finally was able to get that four letter tongue twister out correctly. He wound up being the best dialing for dollars person we ever had. My wife taught me right then and there that expecting perfection was foolish. That if I expected people to know immediately, I was an idiot. That if you take time and educate people, they may wind up being incredible. Of course that was no guarantee. My wife, she may not be the most educated, but she is fucking smart!

So yeah, those companies that treat people like cogs in a machine, they can fuck off. I want nothing to do with them. I have no problem if you invest in a person and it doesn't work it, but if you are going to just blanket cut them and then put their life in a shitstorm because some MBA figured out that you can save pennies, fuck off. That is a piece of shit place.

Erotic: "Let's do math. Let's use a hypothetical scenario."

No need to do it your way. It doesn't matter what incomes are or what costs are, just as it doesn't matter how big nations' economies are.

Think of there being only 2 countries in the world. They buy and sell from/to each other. If one has a surplus, the other has to have a deficit of the same size. Add a 3rd country. Total trade surplus of 1 or 2, has to match the deficit of the other 1 or 2. Add a 4th... total deficit = total surplus. Add 100 million households, 10 million businesses and 10K government entities (special districts, cities, counties, states, federal agencies, etc). Still, total surplus by some (spending less than they earn) MUST exactly match total deficit (spending more then they earn by going into debt).

It doesn't matter how high we raise incomes, still, not everyone will be able to spend less than they earn, at the same time. SOME must be spending down their savings or going into debt, putting the money into the economy that others are taking out by increasing their savings.

Sure, increasing incomes will allow people to spend more, buy more stuff... but incomes can only go up if spending also goes up.

NandR, Sounds like you are saying, "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity".

"AZ
I am not sure how to take your response to Orfalea. I am not sure you even know who he is. He is the founder of Kinko's. He said that there will always be a bottom 10%. Firing to replace people doesn't mean that they will not be in the 10%. "

My take is quite simple. You don't fire the bottom 10% to eliminate the bottom 10%. You fire the bottom 10% to scare the shit out of the other 90% in hopes they will work harder. Sure, there is a cost to firing the bottom 10%, but if you get 20% more productivity out of the other 90% as they fight to stay out of the bottom 10%, then more than worth it.

I have worked at companies that every Oct put on a hiring freeze, then every November slash 10%. Mid-Jan they start hiring back. What they save by not paying people for 2 months more than makes up for the cost of hiring and training.... AND, it keeps everyone working harder so they aren't fired the next year.

@NandR

Thanks for the recommendation, I have just finished reading the first 40 pages.

The first thing that came to mind? All the people arguing that certain degrees are useless. The second thing that came to mind? People look at things binary. They do not see nuance.

I'll see if I can find time to finish the book by next week.

Thanks again!

Erotica: If you haven't yet read "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell. It very much supports your opinion about how differences in available opportunity can impact a person's future. One of the analysis in the book discusses professional hockey players and how well over 50% of them are born in the same two months. Those that missed the age cutoff to get started were thus older than others just making it in. Because they were older they often did better, and then we given chance for better training. A very interesting read

"You would be the first to go."

LOL

Still trying to sit at the big person's table...

Trump says he loves the military.

Heard what he thinks of gays and trans in the military? Read about his ban?

Seen many Gays For Trump or Trans For Trump signs or shirts in Trump's crowds?

MAGA, the Confederates, The KKK, Neo-Nazi, the 2A militia are the bottom 10%.

Are you saying that you only consider voting for someone if people that look like you support them?

“Maybe we should start firing the bottom 10% of forum posters...“

You would be the first to go.

We would miss you...

" Firing to replace people doesn't mean that they will not be in the 10%. "

Maybe we should start firing the bottom 10% of forum posters...

"instead we used it to spread false narrative."

Like 2 million deaths in 2 years?