When the Lifestyle Gets Hard… or Doesn’t – With Shameless Care

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If you want to party with us and the other faces and names that you know from social media and TikTok, head on over to swingersociety.net. Can't wait to see you there. Hey there, Pineapple people, and welcome to the Swing Nation podcast. We are your hosts, Northern Guy. And Southern Girl. And we have a special episode. We do. We have guests. I would say in the studio, but they're not really. They're not here. They're digitally here. Yeah. They're here in our hearts. Yeah. We got Robert from Shameless Care, who you've probably heard about before, because I think we've been talking about him and Shameless Care basically since we started. I can think about it. the podcast with him when we were in the camper on a military base and nobody knew that's where we were right now it's probably like one of our first 20 episodes or something yeah it was a long time ago you might have been our first one of our first sponsors too i think probably you and promescent i think we're the first two onto the scene back then uh and he's got his beautiful partner anna here with him to talk all things um about shameless care and we were actually commenting he brought her to to naughty in new orleans and we were talking about how good of a business move that was put a pretty girl in his booth at naughty yeah very and y'all have a new you have a new shameless care podcast is she on the podcast are you with him on the podcast okay i am i'm the resident nerd oh i love it we need one it's okay it's okay yeah from doing this podcast and then slash social media for the last four years i will say when you put a pretty girl on whatever the thing is that you're trying to advertise or get to go viral um it does way better than if it's just not a pretty Yeah, when we put Dan on things, it doesn't really. It gets like 10 views. Sorry, babe. Yeah, people are like, who is this weirdo? Why is he on your page? So anyway, welcome back to the podcast, Robert. Good to have you here. Well, thank you so much. And I want to thank both of you for what you've done for the lifestyle. I mean, I started Shameless Care for a really specific reason. And there's so many great people in the lifestyle. And often they'll say to me, oh, we love what you're doing at Shameless Care. We'll help you. We'll do whatever you want. whatever you need. We believe in you. Keep doing this. And then they don't do anything. And you two have just been fantastic. And honestly, if it wasn't for you guys, I'm not sure we would still be around. I mean, we're starting to thrive now. But you were there at the very beginning for us. And thank you so much. Well, thank you. You were there for the beginning for us, too. So it was like mutually beneficial. So I'm glad that we could kind of do this together. And I got goosebumps. That was really sweet. Thank you for saying that. We're about to hit our four-year mark this month. So it's been quite the journey. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think we've been partners for about pretty close to that four years. Okay. So today we're here to talk about some of your new products and specifically a lot about ED and ED medication. And that's kind of an ongoing. I think it will always be a hot topic for the lifestyle because either you figured it out and so you've got the things that are working. or you're new to lifestyle and you're trying to figure it out. Does that make sense? So I think it's always on the forefront of everybody's mind. The dicks have to work in order to have fun. Yeah. And I think, you know, with ED medication, there's a ton of different products out there. There's a ton of different now websites. And I've seen stuff on like call this 800 number, you know, on a commercial on TV and, oh, you can get a pill for, you know, 10 cents and you just got to call this number and do all this stuff. I guess let's start with what makes shameless care different in that in that aspect I think part of what makes us different is is my lifestyle experience I know that men new men in the lifestyle it's it's almost inevitable that they're going to struggle with that yeah we actually did a an episode about this Anna do you want to talk about what actually causes ed in the lifestyle because I don't think it's what most people think no sure well so especially in the lifestyle because you're in different environments right It's not your bedroom. It's not the place where you're typically comfortable for most of the time. And even if you don't pick up on that anxiety or that abnormality, like consciously, your subconscious does. And that triggers your amygdala, which is part of the inner brain to send signals to your hypothalamus. I get really nerdy. I'm really sorry. It's okay. It's okay. If you listen to Dr. Soar podcast, we're used to that. I might tell you like say that again in English. That's what I usually do. But that's okay. I'm tracking so far. So your emotional center tells the main control center like the captain's deck. Hey, there's danger going on here. And that's going to send signals that releases adrenaline from the adrenal glands, which are right above your kidneys. And everybody knows adrenaline. Like if you're about to get in a car accident, you slam on the brakes and you get the shakes right away, right? So in those situations, the adrenaline is going to make the penis go soft, essentially. So when you're in that fight or flight response, the smooth muscle just can't work properly. And so it's actually really hard mechanically to get hard when the adrenal glands tell your body, nope, it's adrenaline time, time to run. This is not time. This is not fun time. So that's why that happens in the lifestyle. It actually makes a lot of sense. There's been very few times, you know, I was a combat veteran and I've been in some situations. Never did I think, you know, what would really help me right now? A boner. You know what I mean? Like, oh, this bad thing is happening right now. You know what I could really use as a hard-on. my heart race. And it's like, well, if his heart's racing, he's not going to get an erection. So you're going to have a, you're going to have kind of a soft Valentine's Day after all. So it's inevitable and it's normal. And I think that that part of my thing is I just understand that. And the doctors on our team understand that as, as well. And people can approach them through telemedicine and be open and honest about their lifestyle experience. Like, Hey doctor, I'm fine at home, but I was in the orgy room last weekend. And, you know, tell that story. Well, and that's such an important conversation for people to realize that. Because I think, especially people that are new to the lifestyle, our automatic gut reaction when a guy can't get hard is, oh, he must not be attracted. Or he must not want to be. He doesn't want me. Even Lacey's felt that way. I've had to program myself to realize that it's not about me. And it's taken a while. I think kind of now, for the most part, I do realize that. But just like, it's like, I don't know how to describe it. But as a woman, that's our Like, immediate reaction is, it's me. There's nothing wrong with me. I can't make him hard. So I get it. It also, as a woman goes, oh boy, what kind of work do I need to put in to make this hard? What do I need to do? And usually the harder you try, the more he's going to get in his head and it just, then you're in this like deep hole and you're not coming out of it. And Dan's gotten really good. It doesn't happen to him super often anymore, but when it does, he's gotten really good. of like changing the scene like so kind of what do you do you yeah no i've talked about this on the podcast before and i think it's like like lacy's saying the worst thing you can do to me if i can't get a heart on is put all of your attention on my dick and trying to get me a heart on because then it's it just ramps up that anxiety like you're saying is now i'm really if i wasn't thinking about it before now that you know and sometimes you know and people with the best of intentions sometimes you know two or three girls will come over right and they're like oh damn we're going to get you hard. And you got three girls sucking, you know, trying to suck your dick and do all these things. And in your head, you're like, what the hell is wrong with me? This is the hottest thing ever. But I'm still not getting hard. And I think it's because, you know, more tension, then it's more anxiety. And it's just, it's just fueling the problem. So what I have found is when I get in that situation, the less that people focus on my dick, it's like, no, you lay down, let me go down on you, let me touch you, or let me just sit back and watch for a little bit and not and have me not be the focus at and just, you know, here, take Lacey and borrow her for a few minutes, you know, that's when then usually things will come back around and I can kind of get going again. It's the less I focus on the issue at hand, I think the more easy it is for me to get back involved. And biologically, that makes sense because that negative feedback loop will keep building on itself unless you step back and you have to do something else to put yourself in that comfort zone. And once you're there, you can start to function normally again. It's really, really neat. And there are some things you can take to help lower that adrenaline level and help keep that down and actually block those receptors in the smooth tissue and penis. So that's something you can take and you can talk to your doctor about that. But other things you can do are take ED meds, which help the good flow that is still going to the penis gets more enhanced that way. So those receptors that aren't blocked by adrenaline now have more flooding in. And they can, you know, start taking over and doing that work. So that's how ED meds help is they just help the channels that are still open and are still flowing. They open those gates a little bit more like we need more. So that's how that works. Yeah, the medication that blocks adrenaline, beta blockers, essentially, you know, I had this brilliant idea of let's compound that into ED medication. And our medical director was like, are you crazy that that might kill people that they do the same thing as far as That's incredibly dangerous. No. We're not doing that. And I'm like, well, this is why you're the expert and I'm just the guy paying the bills. So I just wanted to mention that. So if anybody out there is like, oh, yeah, they're right. Adrenaline. I'll take an adrenaline blocker. Make sure you're open and honest with your doctor about the medications that you take because you may have two prescriptions. But if you take them both at the same time, you're in real trouble. So I just wanted to clarify that. Yeah, it's not really sexy when you pass out right before sex. No. That's not very sexy. I think that conversation has come up about beta blockers before to try to keep your anxiety down and play situations and you're saying there's something about a beta block a minute beta blocker medication and ED medication that is harmful when those two interact yeah because they're they're both vasodilators they both lower the blood pressure and so if you already have low and you take both medications, you can crash your blood pressure and you can literally pass out. And it can cause heart arrhythmias. It can cause all sorts of issues. So especially if you have low blood pressure, it's not a good combination. There are other things you can take aside from beta blockers that are less dangerous. But again, that's more of a conversation to have one-on-one with your doctor and make sure you're not doing something harmful. Yeah, it was a serious enough interaction that we decided not to offer beta blockers even by themselves. Because we're a sex-positive telemedicine company, I have to assume that men might be really tempted to take a PDE-5 inhibitor like a sildenafil, a tadalafil, along with the beta blocker. And even though they would be two separate prescriptions offered separately, we just wanted nothing to do with that. So I think if people are going to experiment with beta blockers, you know, ask your physician about it, just make sure that you don't take it with an ED medication as well. Or at least be really open and honest and ask your personal physician if you can. Well, and if they, let's say the people get all of their medications from their family doctor, but come to Shameless Care for their ED medication because they don't want to have these conversations with their doctor. So when you fill out the information, you put all the medications that you're on. So the Shameless Care doctor would see that you're on a beta blocker and prescribe the medicine appropriately or at least have that conversation with you, I would assume. That's correct, yeah. Cool. Well, and that's why it's so important to be honest on all those forms. Yeah, it is. Not just be like, I want my ED medication. No, I'm not taking anything else. I just need ED medication. Well, that's also important because a lot of times we don't want to admit this has happened, but people pass out Viagra and stuff at parties. And so that's why it's important not to take your buddy's medicine, to get your own prescription so you have your own things ready. And you've talked to your doctor. You know what you're taking. you know the milligrams. You're not going to hurt yourself. I think that's really important because it does happen. We can pretend like it doesn't, but it does. No, I agree. I agree. I think that, you know, we've been big advocates for that on this, this, you know, platform is to say that if you need this type of medication, it's so important that you go get it yourself and not rely on. And it's not that expensive. You know, I mean, it's relatively affordable, so it's not really worth just getting it from someone. It's not worth dying over. No, it's not. No, because you can die with some of those interactions. And, you know, sex is great, but... You want to live. You want to be alive to have it. Yeah. Yes, correct. Okay. So I think since so many new people, I think, you know, start listening to our podcast when they're thinking about going down this journey, and, you know, should they think about ED medication before they even go to an event? Should they go to an event and try it without and then go get ED medication? Like, what would be your advice to, there's a couple that's thinking about going to an event for the first time. What should they do? So a lot of people, Dan, mistakenly think that PD-5 inhibitors like selenofil, tadalafil don't help if it's like a mental issue, right? So like if you're a rock-hearted home, but you go to the swinger club and you're anxious, you have this adrenaline that we were talking about, that the medication isn't going to work. And for some people, that's true. Some people have such severe, you know, excitement, anxiety, whatever you want to call it, that it's just not going to work for them. But for most people, the medications do work. And there's even a diagnosis code for it. It's called psychogenic ED. There's even an ICD-10 diagnosis code for it. So people can be prescribed the medication and many doctors would probably even prescribe it proactively like that in that case. And so my recommendation would be to certainly consider it. Because as all of us sitting here experiencing the lifestyle know, I think it's almost a given that people are going to experience this sort of performance anxiety in a lifestyle setting. And so why go and strike out the first time, or maybe even two times or three times before you go get help? Because it's just going to be so much harder to manage at that point. Yeah, if you've stricken out even once, it can make your next time all the more anxiety, like even more anxiety prone. Well, it didn't work last time. It's not going to work this time. It will make that a more negative experience. If you go unprepared, it's a good thing. And there's such a positive feedback loop. I've been on the dance floor before where I've taken a sildenafil. Somebody's dancing with me, and I can feel myself getting hard on the dance floor. And I'm not even really thinking about it, but I'm also not thinking, oh, is my dick going to work later? It's already working. And that just lowers that nervousness. That just lowers that anxiety. And so those medications help in a lot of ways, even if some of them are mental, because if you think about it, that physical response I'm now noticing is now doing a positive feedback loop in my brain where it's like, oh, yeah, this is working. Yeah, well, and you get a much different, you know, when I was in college, you know, college age and going to bars and dancing with girls and getting hard ons, they would give me very dirty looks. At a swingers club, when you're dancing with a girl and you get a hard on, you often get a very positive response to that. So I could hear somebody hearing that and being like, well, I don't know if they want to get a heart on when I'm dancing with girls. No, you do. No, that's it. That's giving that girl that signal that I'm into you and I'm going to be here for you. And she's like, hell yeah. So for people that maybe haven't listened to all of our podcasts, I want to kind of touch on this. So this exact same thing that he just described happened to Dan and I. We have lots of sex together all the time, everywhere you could think of. It was amazing. We were a brand new couple and we were like having the time of our lives. And then we decided to swing with our first couple, which we were actively swinging individually. That's the crazy part about this is me and Lacey met in the lifestyle. We were both singles. And so I was in what you'd call a bull where I was going out as a single male interacting with couples. And Lacey was a unicorn. I never used to eating medication. I was going out meeting people at their house that I'd never met before, having sex in the hot tubs while these husbands would like cook us dinner, like just crazy stuff. You know, I was young, young 30s and stuff, but never needed anything. The first time me and Lacey go to a swingers party, we're like in an orgy with like two or three other couples. And no, it was one couple. It was one couple. No, it was at least two couples. Okay. We're not going to argue about it on the podcast. At least two couples. I'm right. Anyway, I couldn't get a heart on it. I'm like, what the hell is going on here? Like I was so dumbfounded. And then I think we went to two or three things. Yeah, it was two or three things. And then I finally went to and was like, you need ED medication. And he's like, I'm fine. I'm fine. And at this point. I'm like, I've been doing this for years. I've never. What are you talking about? And at this point. And Lacey's like, I broke you. You need to go get it. I was like, you love me too much. I know. It's okay. But at this point, I was like, we didn't know about Shameless. We didn't know. I don't even know if y'all were open then. But we didn't know about all these other telehealth places. And I was like, you have to go tell the military doctor that you can't get a boner and you need ED. And he was like, I can't do it. And I was like, you're going to do it. two years old is that something or something at this point and so I had you're doing it so I did she scheduled me an appointment I go to this military doctor and I'm like yeah I've been having problems getting a hard on and he looks at me like are you you know he checks all my my vitals and he's like are you sure and I'm like yeah I'm sure of course I can't tell him that it's because I'm trying to have orgies with three couples so and he's like well so I had been divorced for a couple years and I was like well yeah I really since I got divorced I think it's, you know, with new people. And he kind of, you know, he kind of led, well, yeah, it could be more of an anxiety thing than it is a, you know, an actual physical, you know, problem here. So he ended up giving me the prescription. But it was, he didn't want to. It felt like he didn't want to. Like, it was a long, drawn-out conversation. It was like a huge thing to even get him to go and ask. Like, it was like, it was a whole ordeal. And let me tell y'all, you don't have to do any of that. There's so much easier ways to get these Medication safely without having to go through any of that crap that we went through. But it happens to literally every single couples. And you do meet like newer couples in the lifestyle. And we've seen husbands that are like, I don't need that stuff. I don't need like almost like. And then they go into their first orgy room and they're like, uh, yeah, how do you get that? What's that website? Yeah. So, I mean, if you're listening to this and you're like, you're one of those guys that are saying, oh, well, I don't need it. I don't need it. You probably will. There will be a point in that you will need it. And I'd rather have it as backup than not have it at all. That's just me. And there's really no harm in it. I mean, it's not something that your body becomes desensitized to. It's not like caffeine where you need more and more of it. It's not something where there's any evidence that people get mentally depended on it. And so if it's prescribed by a physician, then obviously it's safe for the patient. And so why not take it? There's literally no downside to it. Yeah, those are good points because I think that is misinformation out there that people think if you start taking one of these medications that your body is then going to need it to have sex later on. Or like you said that you might start with a lower dose, but you're going to have to keep upping that dose. And you're saying that there's no evidence of that? No evidence of that whatsoever. It's pretty remarkable because there are obviously drugs like that that we could all point to and think about, but the PDE5 inhibitors are not like that. Yeah, they're not habit forming, which is nice. Very nice. And you don't have to wait to a lifestyle event to take them if you just want to see how your body does on them and how it makes you feel. Dan and I have totally planned like a hot Friday night sex when no kids are at home and Dan's taking one and we've just had lots of fun all night long. I mean, did he need it? No, but I think that's okay for just to see how it goes. Yeah. So when me and Lacey were, well, actually the last year, but last year I was in the military, we were But we lived apart. So we lived about seven, eight hours apart. And there would be a few times where I hadn't seen her in a while. And I just like, you know, I'm going to take one of these so that we can have a good night tonight. I would know immediately. She would literally start sucking my dick and be like, you took ED medication, didn't you? I was like, no, no, I didn't. It makes your dick bigger. Like, in my opinion, his dick is bigger when it's, I don't know if it's because there's more blood flow or what it is, but I can immediately tell if he's taking it. I'm like, oh, no, we're going to be fucking all night long. You took that. Yeah, it's fuller for sure. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, it is bigger. One of my favorite stories, we have a product. I don't remember the name of it. Shameless Duo. That's under the tongue. So it melts underneath the tongue. And it's a combination of sildenafil and tildalafil. And usually before we put something out on the market, we do tons of research. But then if we can, we try it ourselves ahead of time just to make sure. Or we do like a small test group because we want to make sure our product's going to work for the most part. for our patients. And so Robert did this full dose underneath the tongue. And then I started getting text messages. When are you coming home? We designed it for people who tend to turn to trimix, which I think we're going to talk about later. So it has 81 milligrams of sildenafil and 12 milligrams of sdalafil. And those numbers aren't going to mean anything to most of your listeners. So I would say that the most common dose of sildenafil, Sildenafil, and this is just taking Sildenafil by itself, Sildenafil being the active ingredient Viagra, is 50 milligrams. And so millions of men in the United States take 50 milligrams of Sildenafil. Works great for them. So this isn't 50 milligrams, it's 81. And then Tadalafil, the most common dose is 5 milligrams. This isn't 5 milligrams of Tadalafil, it's 12, I think 11 or 12. You put those two together, what you end up with is a very powerful medication, which is probably too much for me because I was sitting at home, And I was just waiting on her. And I turn on a Marilyn Monroe movie. It's like a black and white movie. And I feel like my dick is going to explode. I didn't even know I was attracted to Marilyn Monroe. I don't feel aroused, but there's just like enough of my brain that this is becoming like an emergency, not a four hour emergency situation, but it was a lot for sure. Well, I will say I ordered the Shameless Duro and I used it for that. We just got back from Hedo. Like, it's on Sunday. And I used it for the first time at Hedo. And to me, that is the perfect dose of everything. Well, you know, it's funny because we talked about that on the podcast that Dan had kind of been doing that himself over the years without, like, in one drug. Like, he had both prescriptions and he would kind of make his own cocktail of that. And I've seen a lot of people respond to that and said that they had, like, that seems to be a With 100 or 200 people watching you, that can be a performance anxiety type of an event. So I like the Cialis because it's in your system for 24 hours, and it's kind of there when you need it. But I have noticed that Cialis isn't as potent, for me at least, as like Viagra or Seidelafell is. And so, you know, at 2 a.m. when you've been up partying all night and, you know, maybe drinking a little bit, and then you go to an orgy room, you kind of, you know, That Viagra in that situation is a little bit more nice to have. So having that combination of the two where you get that good dose and you're ready to go for that four hours, but also having a little bit kind of stay in your system for 24 hours in case something else happens, I think is like the perfect lifestyle prescription duo combination, if you will. Yeah, I completely agree. That sildenafil will have that kind of bold initial effect we were talking about, like getting hard on the dance floor. like that kind of strong effect that you notice, which again, just lowers this nervousness about is my dick going to work. And then Zolifil carries you all the way through, you know, the next day. So yeah, it is remarkable to put those two together. And when they're put together, and a doctor prescribes them together, then that doctor's in control of that dose. So our doctors anyway, are hesitant to prescribe a Zildenafil and a Zildenafil as two different medications. Because, you know, that Zildenafil label probably says take one to two. Well, let's hope that guy doesn't take those together. But if you put them in one compounded medication with, you know, label clearly marked, well, that's brilliant. And that makes everybody feel more comfortable with the situation. What's also neat about that product is because it dissolves into the tongue, it goes almost directly into your bloodstream. At least part of the product bypasses the digestive system. So it gets into your system faster, which is nice too. I don't say like don't do it you know 30 seconds before you have sex that would be a good idea but you don't have to take it hours before which is yeah nice no yeah and like the old hack for that used to be you know we if if you don't know there's going to be an orgy happening and it just kind of like pops up on you we always used to we'd all chew it like you know maybe like you'd like take your your viagra but you'd chew it instead of just swallowing it to try to get it quicker but it's nice that that product is purposely purposely built I wasn't a huge fan of the minty weird The Taste is not ideal for me. Oh, you didn't like The Taste? I swallowed it. I couldn't leave it under my tongue. I just swallowed the whole thing whole. But it does dissolve a lot quicker still, I assume, in your stomach than it does the other way. Or just chew it like gum real quick. It still has that Viagra-y kind of taste to it. It's just minty flavored on top of it. They probably put the mint in there, I assume, to kind of counteract the medicine taste, I would guess. Yeah, no matter how much you try to make medicine not taste like medicine, it still ends up tasting a little like medicine. a Viagra, you know what that taste is like. And it's, this is like dialed down a little bit because it's covered with mint a little, you know, but it definitely works. It is a great product. And at least there's some mint in it, I guess. That's better than none. Yeah. Brushes the breath a little bit. Yeah. True. True. If you're getting ready for an orgy, you probably need them. Yeah. Okay. So we, we kind of went on a rollercoaster there a little bit and got off topic, but we were talking about, um, okay. A guy that is going to, for the first time, and what kind of prescription they could look at. And then we've kind of talked about the different ones, but is there a good starting point? Should they get the, you know, one over the other? Because it does ask you, doesn't it? That duo is probably, you know, if you've never had that medication, like you said, it might be a little too much. Is there, what would you give advice for somebody that's maybe never done ED medication? Where do they start from? Yeah, well, I think people need to think about how they're going to use the medication, Dan. So if people are, if their lifestyle experience is like one night, okay, we go to the club on Friday night or we go to the club on Saturday night, they're not going to go into hedonism or they're not having spontaneous sex. For somebody that's brand new, Sildenafil by itself is probably going to work really, really well for them. Because I know for me personally, the thing that I don't necessarily care for with Tadalafil is I don't have ED problems outside of like the performance anxiety of lifestyle clubs and things like that. And so I don't like the feeling of like getting, you know, half erections and things like that during my day just from my gym shorts and that sort of stuff. Right, yeah. So I like that sildenafil leaving my system in, you know, six to eight hours, something like that. Right, yeah. So that's the thing that most people start with. One thing to keep in mind about the Shameless Duo is that a lot of people are unsure which medication to choose. And that is a way that you can get both at the same time. And the medication label on that, I talked about how powerful it is, but it says you can take one half to one. So if they take one half of one, that's probably a good starting dose. And then if that person takes that one half and they're like, okay, that worked pretty good but not perfect, then next time at least 24 hours, and I'm not giving medical advice here, always follow your label, at least 24 hours later try a whole one and see how that works. Yeah, that's smart. I didn't know you could break that up. That would be a good way of doing it. The other thing, the only thing I don't like about the Viagra, whatever the generic Viagra is it tends to give me headaches if I don't drink enough water. I do like it, but I have to make a conscious effort when I'm taking that medication to make sure I'm drinking a good amount of water because it does cause headaches. Yeah, sildenafil is a little bit less specific than tadalafil. And sildenafil is essentially Viagra, tadalafil is essentially Cialis. So the Cialis is a little bit more... It binds more specifically to certain types of receptors, to the GLP-5s. So it only binds to those. The Viagra, it's a little bit more promiscuous. So that's why it has more side effects. Yeah. So people, there's a lot of people like you, Dan, where the sildenafil gives them some side effects that they don't care for, but the tadalafil doesn't. And so they prefer the tadalafil. So I think people just have to like experiment a little bit and see what works best for them. No, that's, I think that's, that's great advice. Okay. I think now it's a terrific time to take a little break and hear from the partners and sponsors of the swing nation podcast. Uh, and then when we get back, I want to talk a little bit, you hit on it. Um, you know, there for a second, I want to talk a little bit about Trimex because I think it is something that we've really seen exploding onto the scene here on the last, last year or two. Uh, and I think people need some information on that product. Uh, and then I also want to talk a little bit about some of the other, the new products that you guys are bringing on and, and, uh, how those could benefit the community as well. All right. We'll take a little break and we'll be right back, guys. 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We're here with Shameless. Yeah, we are. Talking all things ED medication. I think it's been a good conversation. Specifically the, you know, adrenaline and how that affects your erection. Yeah. I don't think people realize that. I think people, you know, they tie erections to arousal, and so they think if there's not an erection, there's no arousal. I think we're programmed as people to think that, and I don't know who's programming us that way, but I feel like it just is, especially in monogamy. I mean, probably, I mean, it is still in non-monogamy, but I think at least we have a handle on the fact that we do realize that being in these situations can affect it. Agreed. Okay, so that leads me to the next thing that we've We've been seeing more and more in the lifestyle. I want to talk to you a little bit about this. It's this Trimex situation. And so what we've seen is, like you said, there are some people that it doesn't matter how much Viagra or Cialis you give them, their anxiety levels are so high, they just cannot get an erection. And so it seems like a lot of these people have turned to this product called Trimex. I don't really understand what it is. It's some kind of compounded shot that you put into your day. And it's got like three different chemicals in it. You inject it straight into your dick. And basically your dick gets hard no matter what. And I've read a little bit about it. They use this in like patients that have been disabled and stuff like that. Yeah, I follow this like sweet young couple on TikTok and he was paralyzed from the waist down. And he uses Trimax and he talks about that. And I was like, oh, wow, that's what it's actually made for. So that's kind of how I learned about it. But we've definitely seen a huge spike. I can remember the first couple that we played with that used it. We were like, what? And it was almost like a secret. He went in the bathroom and then came out and then we kind of figured it out because he walked out of the bathroom with a super hard dick and we were like, what happened? That was like two years ago. Yeah, it's that. And nowadays you go and it's like, okay, it's time for the orgy and people are breaking out needles and things everywhere. I can tell you at least 10. Lining up to get nurses to stick them in their penis with needles. 10 to 15 of our friends are all, like, they all have prescriptions for it. And it started out as, like, one or two. And it's slowly taken off, like, to the point where everybody has it. It's a whole thing. Is there a refrigerator in the hotel room so they can keep it cold? I mean, it's, like, if we go on the Bliss Cruise, they're asking questions about what's in the rooms at Bliss Cruise. I mean, it's definitely taken on, like, a whole thing. Dan has never done it. It seems a little scary to us. I mean you're not opposed to it as if someday you need that but as of right now you don't feel like you need it so we've kind of and we've heard horror stories so we're a little scared of it to be honest I think it's too full I think you know we're also content creators so we do OnlyFans and stuff like that and it seems like in the porn industry and in that those circles that's kind of where this Trimex thing came from a lot of the it seems like a lot of the industry uses that but then you put that into the Swinger community we've had we know several people that have I've had to take trips to emergency rooms. We know one couple, he now has a penis implant, and that's the only way he can get hard because he has permanent nerve damage from what I would say is probably misusing this drug. We have another friend who used too much, went to a hospital in Mexico. They said, oh, you're fine. He had to get on a plane and fly home to have his penis drained, and they told him he had like a 5% chance of ever using his penis again. Luckily, he was lucky. He was in that 5% and it works now. But I mean, we have friends that have learned how to drain their own dicks in their hotel rooms because it happens to them so often. So I think it's important to have this conversation about it because people are misusing it. And I just don't want to see somebody end up in the hospital, end up with a penis pump just because they want a nine of fun. So we were hoping that we could at least get y'all's advice on kind of a little bit about this because we are no experts at all. Well, I think you hit the nail on the head, Lacey, when you talked about misusing it, right? I think that for people who truly need Trimix, and it's prescribed by a very careful provider who has educated them on how to inject it, the anecdote, all of these sorts of things, for the people who truly need it, great. It's a compounded, you know, prescription drug, and it's perfectly safe, I would imagine, for people who are sober and sane. and well-trained and have a great doctor. But I think, you know, what we're seeing in lifestyle events are people injecting other people who don't even have a prescription. Yeah. And things that are just don't make a tremendous amount of sense to me when you hear this many stories about people being permanently disfigured. I mean, there was a lifestyle podcaster. I don't think they podcast anymore, but same story. He had to get a pump for that very reason. And so, again, for people who they've tried everything, Yeah, I think it definitely needs to be like a last resort. And that's kind of how Dan feels about it. He's like, at some point in my life, I may need it. And when that day comes, I'm totally okay. But until then, I'm just going to keep using my Viagra and Cialis and be good enough for that, you know? Yeah. Well, and I think, you know, you kind of hit on this. I think we're kind of all saying the same thing. I think the issue, I have no issues with Trimax. And I think it is a great drug. And I think there's a lot of people out there that need it. There are people, you know, we have friends that Viagra is just not enough. It's, you know, in these settings where they want to play in orgies. They want to be in group rooms. They want to have sex by the pool. And Viagra and Cialis is just never going to cut it for those people. So they need Trimax. So I think it's great that they use it. The issue you have is when it's two o'clock in the morning and you're drunk or you've been taking who knows what type of, you know, other drugs that are mind enhancing. And now you're trying to stick a needle into your penis in a very specific spot at a very micro level that's just dangerous you know i mean like it's just dangerous and so i think if you need to go that route go get the prescription and get the right thing but you're going to have to make a conscious effort that i need to if i'm going to use this i need to be of sound mind and body because i like you said i don't want to permanently dismember myself um you know we know those podcasters that you were talking about that you know and he had a we had a very good conversation with him about that i got to press the button to make his dick get harmed and he you know he went through a He went through a mental health crisis when that happened, as most people would. Even our friend who said he was told 5%, he said he was suicidal. Because him having a penis that works is very, very important to him. And so the odds of that not happening was major. So I guess I want to have this conversation. So that way, if you're listening to us, and then next week you go to a swinger club and somebody's like, oh, I'll give you a dick shot. You can't get hard. Here's a shot. that you understand what they're doing and what that is. And if I'm not, if I'm correct, there isn't there like an antidote that you have to have. So if you're giving this shot out, if that people don't give you the antidote, then you're, how does that work? You are, you are a nurse. You know way more about this probably than I do. Go for it. But I don't know a tremendous amount about it. And we don't, we don't carry, try it next at shamelesscare.com. But I think if people take the appropriate amount, And of course, what they're supposed to do is take a tiny amount, see how that works, that sort of thing. Okay, a couple days later, I'll try a teeny bit more. So they can dial in that perfect dose that allows them to get hard enough to have the sexual activity they want to have. But then the erection goes away naturally on its own. But for people who take too much, that's where the anecdote comes into play. Because we all remember the Viagra commercials from the 90s, you know, if your erection lasts more than four hours, which is extremely hard to do on Viagra. But that was always a part of the commercials. And go seek medical attention immediately. Because yeah, that blood is in your penis too long and you permanently lose the ability to get a direction. One more thing I want to mention about Trimix and why I think it should be a last resort is, you know, think of the STI considerations of puncturing your penis right before you go have sex with a stranger. That doesn't make tremendous sense. And then, you know, anytime you inject yourself, like I'm on TRT, I inject myself once a week, slowly over time, I have gotten scar tissue in my butt because of that. You just can't poke holes in your body over and over and over again and expect there to not be some scar tissue. So again, I'm not telling anybody not to use it for heaven's sakes. If you need it, use it. But I don't think it should be this thing that people just, oh, I tried five milligrams of Tadalafil. That didn't work. How can I order Trimix, which I expect is what's happening. Yeah, I think the same thing. I think it's become the easy button. I think it used to be people would go the Cialis and Viagra route, And then, if you really had problems, you might have gone to a doctor and heard about it. Most people didn't even know what the heck Trimex was. But a lot of people are ordering it online. They're not even going in. From China or who knows where. And so I think... Yeah, it's really scary. I'm curious, and I guess you don't have to say if you don't feel comfortable, why did Shameless opt to not carry that product? Well, I'm not a physician, but we have a great medical director who is, and he just decided it wasn't appropriate. in his opinion, in his opinion, for telemedicine. That's just his opinion. And of course, it's his license on the line. And he just thinks that anything injectable like that, for all the reasons that we've talked about, he would prefer that people went to an in-person physician. I'm not denigrating any companies that offer it. If he would have said yes, believe me, I would have offered it. We just would have done it in a very careful way and made sure that people were counseled about the anecdote and counseled about, okay, do you really need this, that sort of thing. But that was his opinion, and his opinion is the only one that matters in terms of what we carry and what we don't. Yeah, and we actually even talked to you about it because we did see such a rise, and we were like, well, if people, we would rather see people get a prescription and do it right than take it from somebody else at a club or at a party. We'd rather see them, like at least, worst case, we could encourage them to do it the right way, you know. And so we actually had had several conversations about it as well. So this has all been something that has been up in the up and we've had multiple conversations about it. I think there is a need, again, for Trimex in the lifestyle. I think it is a product that is very useful and for the people that need it, probably life-changing, you know what I mean, and can make them enjoy this lifestyle in ways they probably couldn't without it. I do think what you're saying is it sounds like, you know, the doctor that you're working with is basically like, I don't feel, unless I can have a one-on-one sit down with these people and really get in depth on the do's and don'ts of this drug. I just don't feel comfortable prescribing it to people. And that to me that it should help score in people's minds, like how serious of a drug this is and what the ramifications can be, because it is not something you want to mess around with and have a bad experience. And, you know, one bad experience could be you not getting hard on as naturally for the rest of your life. So I do. Why is that right? So why if you have been hard on for more than four hours? Can you never get a hard on ever again? I don't really understand that, I guess. Well, the biology of it is basically the flooding system, the floodgates just no longer can open or close properly to make that as simple as I can. So without that stimulus, it's just it can't function. That smooth muscle literally just can't operate anymore. So that's why with a penis pump, you can still work because it acts as the smooth muscle tissue for you. So yeah, you basically make it inert. It's kind of like pulling the plug on the power. If you pull the plug and then cut the wire in half, it's never going to turn on again. Yeah. And it's just from it being pinched for too long. That's what it kills nerve endings or what, what is it? It's a, it's a nerve signal conduction. That's permanently. Shutdown. Man, it seems to me like when they built our bodies, they should have protected that nerve signal a little more than if you're hard for more than four hours, it could cause permanent damage. You know what I mean? Well, this is the other thing about Trimix I don't understand. Again, from Reddit, which I probably should just stay off of because people constantly make me like pull out. I don't even have any. Listen, I get it. I get it. Me too. Reddit's the vein of a lot of our existence. People will say things like, oh, before Trimix, I would get I can just keep going and going and going. I'm like, why do you want to keep going and going? You know what I mean? Like you'd have such crazy expectations for your own body. That's probably people on drugs. Like, let's be honest. That's probably people using drugs as your normal average person. Maybe, I mean, like if you're in your forties, coming once is pretty good. I mean, two, that's a, that's a fucking amazing guy. I mean, I can't imagine. Um, so yeah, I agree with you. I think, I think we're kind of pushing it a little much. Well, and I think, you know, this is, we're getting a little bit, maybe too deep into this. Well, now, and then it sets unrealistic expectations, right? Because you go to a party and there's one or two guys that are using Trimex and they're just going to town and, you know, and then the other guys that aren't are probably like, oh shit, like, is there something wrong with me? Am I supposed to be on that? Maybe I need that, you know, and really they're just, they're just normal. And these people have like made themselves super dick humans, you know what I mean? Like by using a drug that they probably, maybe don't need and that could be dangerous. I don't know. I think maybe we might be making a culture here that's not necessarily the healthiest environment for people's realistic expectations of sex. Yeah, man. I don't know many women that want to be pounded for three and a half hours. I don't know what's going on. That has consequences. Yeah. Yeah. I would not be good. So I think this conversation was really just so that people could hear our voices and hear us talking about it. So hopefully when you're in the club and somebody offers it to you, you like remember, you know, at least part of what we say. And obviously people are still going to do it. It's still going to be a thing. People are still going to have to have penis pumps or have to have their penises drained. Do not take other people's drugs. And if for some godly unreason you do, do not leave that person's side until their dick gets soft. You know, because if you don't have that reversal, you're screwed. Yeah. Maybe don't do it in other countries. Don't order it off of Amazon or some other Chinese website. And that's the other thing. Be careful where you're getting your products from because the FDA doesn't regulate very well certain products that you get on the black market or things like that. And you never know what condition these drugs are manufactured under unless it's been through a screening process of some sort. So you just don't know. Maybe this was made in somebody's basement somewhere. And that's terrifying. Yeah, I mean, and you're putting it in your dick. Remember that. Like, if your dick may not work. So just think of all the, like, I hope they hear our voices when they're in the bathroom. At 2 a.m. in the bathroom with a needle in their hand. I hope so. Well, I'm sure that goes for, you know, Cialis and Viagra as well. I know you can get that stuff on the black market and who knows, you know, I don't know. I'd be worried about there being fentanyl in that. I don't even know if that's a real thing, but I'm so scared of all that stuff, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, that's true, Dan. I mean, the, These medications, which I have sometimes seen at lifestyle parties, people think is imported, like they're, you know, like, oh, this is over the counter in India or something like that. And that's why it's less expensive. I can promise you that every single one of those tablets that's in the United States right now was not made by a licensed pharmaceutical company. It was made for the illicit drug trade by criminals who could not possibly care less if you live or die. You're just a customer in some other country. And I've seen an expose that Pfizer did where they're They infiltrated some of these labs. And I have seen, I don't know that I've seen many gas station bathrooms dirtier than where people were pumping out these pills with inert ingredients like drywall dust, gypsum, using latex house paint to cover the pill. And it's utterly ridiculous because you can go to your doctor, you can get a prescription, then you can go to Walgreens and probably get it for like $1.50, a tablet, something like that. If you don't want to do that, you can buy it for about $3 a tablet from shamelesscare.com. We take care of the doctor for you and ship it right to your house. So when you think about all the lifestyle experiences, you know, how much is $3 per event? Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. If you're paying $20 a drink to be at the club or whatever, you know what I mean? You can pay $3 to have sex that night. When I was new in the lifestyle, Viagra was not yet off patent and it was $70 per tablet. And that was, not to make a pun, but that was a lot to swallow. Because there were times when I thought, kicking it off at the club with this woman, I go to the bathroom, take a $70 Viacra, and then the whole thing kind of fizzles out. And I was like, damn it, so much money. Yeah, that would make you think twice for sure. Yeah. Okay, so we got a few minutes left. I want to touch a little bit on some new products. And I want to talk specifically about the one you have that has, I think it has Cidelafil in it, but it's meant for women. Is your product a cream or a pill? Tell us a little bit about that. It's a cream. It's a topical cream. And it has three active ingredients. But the main prescription drug is sildelafil. And that's for women. And you apply it topically to the area of the clitoris and around that area. It's just about the size of a pea that you put on your finger. And then you're going to put it in that region. And what it does is it helps improve female erectile tissue. more engorged. So, yeah, we do have erectile tissue. If you haven't seen it before. So, I've heard of women that have taken men's Viagra and have raved about it saying that, yeah, it engorges your clitoris, which if you're, you know, different women have different body types, but some clitorises are more internal than external and it can be hard to get. It can be a little more difficult to get to it and to stimulate it. And some of these women have raved that getting that clitoris engorged and then having pressure applied to it or vibrators or whatever can be life-changing in the way that they have orgasms and stuff. Yeah. And then this also has another agent called irigal mesolite in it, which helps with nerve stimulation. And there's a few nerves in the clitoris. You know, just a couple. And again, there's another one called pentophiline, which helps with blood flow and just making blood a little bit easier to pass through that tissue. So you've got three ingredients. And what's really cool is the product that Shameless offers is a 3% sildenafil cream, which may not sound like a lot, but it's about three times the amount that you can get at some of the other companies. And you're getting, I think it's twice the amount of quantity. So you have a ton of product to use. which is nice and the studies the clinical trials that were done on this product had a three percent cream so we did our best to mimic the exact same product that clinical trials were run on because that's where the data was showing that it could be beneficial now my caveat that i'm going to put in here is that this helps with improved engorgement and it helps with improved sensation and lubrication absolutely wetter is usually better but But it's not going to turn you on necessarily, especially with women. A lot of our attraction happens in our head or that chemistry, that connection feeling. So this is something that you can apply about 20 minutes before you are going to have sex. And then I do recommend that you either wipe it off right before sex. It's not really noticeable. Guys can taste it from what I've heard. She looks at her partner Yeah, it's medicine. It has mentoil, but it's topical sildenafil. So just being honest, I think a lot of people don't choose to use it in lifestyle for that very reason. So we'd like to be, we'd spend a lot of time telling people why not to buy stuff. But it's better people hear it first before they purchase it. No, I think that's a good idea because like you kind of know when you're about to get ready to go play. And so, like, typically, Dan and I will go to our room, we'll shower, like, especially if we're out. I go to my room, I pop that Viagra. Yeah, I shower. You get in the shower, you shower off, you change, you know, deodorant, brush your teeth, and then you head to the playroom. So, it's about 20, 30 minutes. So, if you put it on ahead of time and then wipe it off right before you win. Yeah, because we usually carry, like, baby wipes and stuff like that for, especially when we can't, like, rinse off in between play partners just to keep everything. It's not sanitary, but as close to that as we can. So even if you wore it to you got into the playroom and then right before you started you know took a baby wipe and removed it I think that would be plenty of time and that's a that's a good point because I've not used a lot of those creams especially in place settings because of that now I have at home like when I'm masturbating by myself or even if just him and I are playing and I'm like hey just don't go down on me because I use that cream stuff like that I would more likely use it but not necessarily in play but that's good to know you can just wipe it off and go and then is it similar like it's in your system for three to four hours kind of thing or yeah the sildenafil typically lasts about the same as it does if you were to take it orally as a as a guy that's good yeah and i mean it can really help improve sensation and pleasure and you know i know a lot of times with women our anxieties show up differently than it does in men and sometimes you just need a little bit of reassurance that hey i'm gonna feel this a bit more i'm gonna have a little bit more fun And that can just relax even more and get you even more in the mood and just take a little bit of that pressure off. Because a lot of women in these settings, a lot of the pressure is on us. Sure, guys do have to get hard, but we have to be inserted into a lot of time. Well, yeah. In fact, like you're saying, it doesn't turn you on, but it improves sensation. Well, if you have improved sensation, you're probably going to have a better experience, which would make you want to do it. Yeah, better orgasms. Yeah. It'll just make everything better. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. So the other products. Oh, go ahead, Dan. I was going to ask you. So why can't women just take a pill? Why is it going to have to be a cream and all this? We have a pill. Yeah. The research on the research on Viagra or Sildenafil was pretty much that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze for women because of all the side effects. It wasn't really benefiting them more than what the side effects. were, if that makes sense. But Tadalafil is a little bit different. And so we have a new product called Shameless Chemistry, which has oxytocin in it, which do you want to go ahead and explain what oxytocin is, Anna? Sure. It's your cuddle peptide, your cuddle hormone. So oxytocin is what helps with that feeling lovey-dovey, that puppy love sensation, that, ooh, I really like this guy. I'm really into this thing. Why'd you look at me, Dan? Because you were like, maybe you need that. I mean, I'm not going to lie. You're kind of selling me, but keep going. I'm listening. And it just, it helps get you into more of that intimate mindset, if you will. It helps improve that intimacy. Just, you know, and it's something that again, just helps put you in that mental place. If you're not a hundred percent there, it's not going to do all the work for you, but it's going to help you feel what you want to connect. that more. Like you want to be in that moment. You're like, Ooh, this is really nice. You just get those little tingles, that happy sense. And you know, these receptors are in areas like our breasts and our uterus and our brain. And so these are things that are really nice to just have that again, improved connection, that better intimate experience. So that's that component of it. Yeah. So that's one of the two medications that are compounded into the tablet. The other one is Tadalafil and Tadalafil does acts very very much like that topical sildenafil does, except it's a tablet rather than a cream. So putting those two together is a really fantastic product that can certainly help a lot of people. Oxytocin can also be used by men as well. And in September, we're going to be releasing a nasal spray that men can use as well. The reason why we didn't offer this particular product for men and women is because the five milligrams of Tadalafil, while it is plenty for women, may not be enough for men. And we didn't want them to be disappointed by the ED component. of it. But as far as women go, shameless chemistry, 100 international units of oxytocin and 5 milligrams of Tadalafil is a really nice medication. You sold me. I guess I'll order it before you go to bed. Shameless chemistry. Yeah, no, that's really awesome. No, it honestly sounds like exactly what I need, to be honest with you. Well, you know, you're talking about the cream and then, you know, have to wipe it off. Well, this sounds like, you know, one, it makes you... But hell, I'm even willing to wipe the cream off. Like, I want both, you know? Well, because you don't need both, right? It's doing the same thing, basically? The cream and the... Kind of. I think both is okay, right? I'm just leaning towards both. Yeah, I wouldn't use both at the same time, or at least get clarification from your physician, for sure, because they're both PDE5 inhibitors. Okay, then I'll just get the pills. I'd rather not have to wipe it off. But yeah, no, I have a lot of fun once I get there and get going. But for me to go to the room, change my clothes, he almost loses me right there. And so I feel like... It's notorious. We're not the only ones because we lose friends the same way. And you probably know too, Robert. But you go back to the room and shower and change. And then she's like, you sure you don't want to just go to bed? It's 2 o'clock. It's 1 o'clock in the morning or it's 1.30. She'll get naked and bend over to the bed and be like, you can just fuck me and we can just go to sleep. Which is a very... It's hard to be like, well, no, I don't want to do that. Let's go, you know. But like, if I make, if I kind of like, not make myself, that sounds like a bad word. But if I kind of give myself a pep talk, I'm like, you got this, you're going to have so much fun. It's like, once I get there, I have a fucking blast, you know. But it's like that in between. So I think maybe something like that would like kind of give me that butterfly, like excited feeling to kind of hopefully give me that little boost to just avoid that whole conversation. Because that has been, if you listen to the podcast, that has been like an issue between and I lately. So we've been working on it. So I'm excited to try that. I have to report back everybody. Whenever we always do podcasts and I try so, I always get tons of messages like, so did you try that? What do you think? So I will report back once I get it. Okay. We're almost out of time. I think we are out of time. But is there any other products that we haven't touched on that you do want to hit on before we go, Robert? No, those are the three. And then the oxytocin nasal spray coming in September. We're trying to grow. we're entirely self-funded and so we've had to do it very responsibly. I've never been able to go drop like $200,000 on Instagram ads and be like, oh, that didn't work. I guess I'll try again next week. Like we have to do things pretty carefully. So yeah, that's what we have to offer right now. We don't do subscriptions, which is something that I'm very proud of. I'll just mention this quickly. We dropped the subscriptions because a lot of the payments were failing. And when I looked at the payments failing, a lot of them were for insufficient funds. And that made me realize like, what if this had been this guy's last $99? for medication he may not even need a refill for right now yeah and so we dropped the subscriptions and people can just reorder when they want more medication and we're really proud of that it's shameless care we're really big into consent and that feels like a consent i love it for us and you do get emails because i'm the emails come to both dan and i for it would it's a like a it's our gmail or our swing nation emails what we use and so i see them come in and it says hey it's time for your Are you interested? I don't know the exact verbiage, but it basically asks you, you know, if you want one, just respond to this email. So I think that's really nice because it's super easy. You kind of go and find it when you need it. And I thought that I've liked that. No, I agree. I agree that that is nice because I, you know, as somebody that has been on those reoccurring subscriptions, next thing you look around and you get like, you're like, I have 10 bottles of Viagra in my house. I do that for like hair growth peels and I have like three of them right now. And I finally made myself go cancel it. Yeah. Cause I'm like, then you can never find where the cancel button is. Yeah. It's awful. They ask you 300 questions to cancel. Are you sure you want to cancel? Yeah. They make you feel bad about yourself. So I, we appreciate, I agree. I think that's like a consent thing as well. And the lifestyle, we're all about consent. So I think that's a great thing to follow. Okay. And then his podcast, they have a new podcast. You have a new podcast. I was going to say, I'm going to put this out there because I'm, I'm the resident nerd here. And if you guys have questions, about how these work, why they work. We do podcasts about these products. We talk about the clinical trials as to why they work and who they work for, and even more importantly, when they don't work. Because more than anything, we want you to go in with realistic expectations. So if you guys have questions, listen to the podcast because we're going to answer them ad nauseum. Yeah. There are people out there that want all the science. They want to ask all the questions. There are some people that don't care, and they're like, just give me the pill. I'm good. I don't need it. the rest of it. But there is a market for people that want to hear that. And so here you go. They made it for you. Yeah, we talk about all kinds of things. We did a show on the history of Viagra, and it was absolutely fascinating. And I think we're all roughly the same age here. So you guys know how big Viagra was in the late 90s. It became a pop culture phenomenon. It's all anybody was talking about. And one of the things that we learned was part of how they discovered that Viagra was doing what it was doing, because it was originally a heart medication. is that there were men in the clinical trial who didn't want to turn over when they were laying on the exam table. And it makes me want to find that nurse and see how hot she was. You have to be aroused for these medications to work. And so I'm just thinking like this nurse made Pfizer billions and billions. And she probably made like, you know, $30,000 that year. Probably. 100%. So that's really cool. Like, that's interesting to me to learn about that kind of thing. things. That's awesome. So how do they find your podcast? Shameless Care Podcast. Just wherever they get podcasts. Awesome. Okay. And then if they want any of these medications, we have our own landing page now, right? They can go to shamelesscare.com forward slash TSN. I got that right. Right, Robert? That is true, Dan. But they can also just go to shamelesscare.com and use your guys' coupon code, which is TSN, I believe. Is that right? TSN? I believe it is. Yeah. And they'll get a discount and they'll support Dan and Lacey, which, you know, as I said, just coming from this side of the fence, you would not believe what Dan and Lacey have done for the lifestyle. Even this conversation today, if you get nothing else out of this, then go into TriMix with your head screwed on properly. That is such fantastic information. Another way I could have said that is don't let random strangers inject you with drugs at parties. That's something I learned at D.A.R.E., but I guess people. That's funny. We are the same age, D.A.R.E. 100%, yeah. That's good, yeah. Thank you for everything you guys do. 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