TSN & WIFEY: On set at the WIFEY studio with Jessi & Matt

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Speaker1: This podcast is intended for adult audiences. Over the age of 18, it contains adult language and situations. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this podcast belong solely to us, and not of any employer, organization, committee, or other group or individuals. This podcast is not intended to be taken as professional advice. Welcome to the Swing Nation podcast, a podcast by swingers for swingers, where we look to educate others and push back on the negative stigmas and misconceptions associated with our lifestyle. Come with us and share our pineapple journey as we travel the globe. Interview the experts. Learn and grow together. Join the nation. So Lacey, what is the definition of a hot wife? So hot wives play with the consent of their husband. So they engage with other men. Sometimes the husband is there. Sometimes he's at home. But yeah, that's what a hot wife is. Yeah, it's to the pleasure of both of them. Yes. It's natural to find other people attractive. The jealousy is part of the ride. We knew we wanted to get married as soon as we met each other. The whole hot life thing just came naturally. I fucking love it. Are you ready to share the real hot life experience with the world? Nothing's ever been reduced. It's only been enhanced from when we started Lifestyle. That test, yeah. It was exciting because it was somebody new. It was exciting because there was that kind of, like, uncertainty about it. It was this, like, turning point, right? It was magic. Finally, we decided to go for it, and... Speechless. Yeah. Five stars would recommend. Yes, five stars would recommend. For me, the hot wiping thing, I was definitely, like, the exhibitionist side. Details. I'd be like, more details. Give me more details. Watching her, the mouth would turn on for me. You're like, what? The night that she said I love you for the first time, we had a threesome right after. The most surprising thing about all of this was how much I enjoyed it. Your confidence has grown so much with that life. Everything on the video is the hottest on that. That is how she is. Oh my god, guys. I can't believe what just happened. This was a great experience. It was awesome. I want people to watch for me. Are you ready to level up your wifey experience? I had a great turn. Excited? I've never really been allowed to be myself. And so, um, to have somebody that you can be yourself with, it's worth everything. I recommend it. Hey, I'm Sam, and this is Alex, and you're watching Wifey.com. Hey there, pineapple people, and welcome to the Swing Nation podcast. We are your hosts, Northern Guy and Southern Girl, and we're here in the Wifey studio in Los Angeles, California. Who would have thought? I know, and we're filming a very special episode to talk all things Wifey. Wifey. Well, it's pretty cool. It's actually like a luxurious adult content platform where they take real hot wife couples and put them into this like Hollywood scene and let them live out their fantasies. Yeah, I got to do one just yesterday. Well, you got to do four yesterday for being technical, but yes, you filmed your scene yesterday. Well, we have a special couple here, Jesse and Matt, some of the original OG Wifey couples to talk to us about that. So welcome to the podcast. Although I feel like we're in your house a little bit. I feel like we're the tourists and we're in your house. No, it's our house now. It's our house. That's right. And they're here to talk to us about all things Wifey. We're going to talk about our scene, talk about their scene and their experience. So guys, tell us a little bit about Wifey and what it means to you. Well, for us, being part of Wifey was a great experience. We got to be part of a platform, a community and tell our story and share what it means to you. to be in this lifestyle and help people understand that this kink isn't so taboo yeah a lot of people actually do this and it's pretty fun pretty normal so how long have you guys been in the lifestyle like how did you how did you find it oh man how long have we been in the lifestyle almost nine or ten years you say ten years yeah so it's been like eight for us so it's kind of so how long have you been married for five and we've been together for what 11 12 so you started this lifestyle pretty soon after you met each other yeah basically started because we were uh a long distance relationship yeah we can relate to that we actually were married and still long distance and it it was fun because we would meet and have this hot fun and then so and then we would separate and sometimes that would be kind of hard because all of our friends were going home together and we had to go separate but we finally we made it through it and now we're in one house and it's it's wonderful that's awesome yeah i like that yeah so how did you find out about wifey how did that whole thing start um well they reached out to us on twitter i think it was and they told us about this really cool site that they were making and i was like heck yeah let's do it yeah we talked about it and we were like why not so were you guys already in content creation you guys were on social media What made you start that journey? I think the idea of joining the community at the very beginning and kind of building this platform with them from the ground up was something we were really interested in doing. So I like it. I think more people should hear and understand that like it's not weird to be non-monogamous. Yeah. Yeah. And there's so many different ways to be non-monogamous that It puts all of those different ways into a bigger perspective, and I love that. Yeah, so when me and they reached out to us, same thing on social media, and kind of when we first heard like, oh, it's like pro adult content, you know, we were a little like hesitant, like, I don't know if that's really somewhere we want to go with our brand and stuff like that. And then they actually sent the smartest thing they ever did was they sent Lacey a free subscription to their site and let her watch it. I told him I was like that was the smartest thing you ever did because I would watch like one every night which he ended up getting laid a bunch because I was like really turned on but it really is very educational I think for anybody that's thinking about joining the lifestyle or just kind of wanted to see a little bit behind the scenes this is the perfect avenue for them because you get to see real couples and they're these are real experiences and so after about like five or six episodes of watching it I was like okay I think I'm sold let's And so it was yesterday was our scene and it was a lot of fun. I had a good time. That's so awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody here is so sweet and they make you feel so comfortable and I'm excited for everyone to see what we did. I think you guys should share a note. So tell us a little bit about what your scene was and how that came to be. We had a scene with Jason Love. Oh. And it was fun. It was really fun. Yeah. We. I think that was a perfect person for you. Yeah. Honestly. Yeah. It was great. But it was just it was fun. It was easy. Like you You got here, you got your hair and makeup done. They made you feel really nice, comfortable, pretty. And then you just sit there comfortably with your partner and you guys talk about yourselves and then you're like, all right, I'm ready. Let's bang. Yeah, it was super hot. I'm Jessie and this is my husband, Matt. I feel like hot wiping has made me a lot more competitive. If I see my wife getting fucked really good, afterwards, I'm going to fuck her way better. I feel like you've had a lot of wild ones, but one that comes to mind is you sucking some guy's dick in the back of an Uber. I have a really good Uber rating. It's natural to find other people attractive. Why don't we explore having sex with other people and telling each other about it? Lacey had her scene yesterday and she actually had four guys. For the very first. For the first pro shoot was a lot. Well, it started because when they reached out to us, they were like is there any fantasies that you've never been able to do that you want to do something that's like truly authentic to you yeah and i had this fantasy of being blindfolded and dan picking out the guys and me being with the guys and having no idea who they were but giving him the control the freedom because i knew he would choose the right guys for me yeah and so that had always been a fit but we had never found a way to make that happen and so wifey was like we got you and so they worked with him and they together they kind of came up and I had no idea how many guys it was going to be so I had so much. She didn't know how many or who they were. So when we got here they actually kept the guys in the back of the studio separate from us when we ate lunch and all that stuff so she didn't actually see the guys until about halfway through her scene. Well and they blindfolded me and then they had like all the guys around me and we were doing pictures and I could like feel their hard bodies behind me. Their hard bodies? That's not what you told me. That's not what you told me you found. She's using PG words. Yeah. But I was like, I was so nervous up until that point. I was like, okay, I'm ready. But then once we started the scene, it was like how many guys, I was like trying to guess. And also. And where are their digs? Yeah. I was like, y'all don't make me look stupid trying to like find the digs. But I was able to, it ended up being like really, really good. And I had a great time. That's awesome. Yeah. I think that's one of the best parts about this is like you can live out your fantasy. in a really safe way. It's like living out your fantasy, but on a Hollywood scene set. Like in ways you'd never be able to do it yourself. You know, it's going to be safe. You know, it's going to be comfortable. You know, they're going to be hot. It makes it a lot easier, honestly. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And you've got somebody checking your hair, your nails. I mean, they check everything. They make sure you feel so comfortable and so beautiful. And it was so much fun. I can't, I can't imagine going back to like regular projects. She's like, I only want to fuck porn stars. I'm spoiled. I'm spoiled. It's definitely an addiction. No. It's an addiction. No, it was so much fun. Yeah, it really is. Hi, I'm Lacey and this is my husband Dan. We've always been very open to each other about what we want to do and things we want to try and we even kind of, I think, push each other a little bit to try new things. A former pastor who had been a pastor of a church for 16 years and he actually said that in a lot of ways he felt like people in the lifestyle was a lot of things that he thought that the church was supposed to be for him. The community. Right. If you want a wifey experience of your own, visit wifey.com forward slash casting. So is your guys in your real life, is you guys hot wife normally? Is that part of your day-to-day? We used to a lot, but now I feel like we've fallen out of the lifestyle a little bit, only because... It's your career now, you're doing a lot of it professionally. Yeah, like you need to, for us we have to separate it, and it's hard to meet people who are only in the lifestyle, and so when it's for work, we want to keep it work, and if it turns into fun, like we still want to have fun, but it's hard not to to overlap nowadays. Yeah, no, we can really relate to that. So walk us through that. So you guys did your scene with Wifey, and then Dixon Media Group, who's over Wifey, asked you guys to come back and shoot more with them? Yeah, yeah. So I signed an exclusive with them, and now I'm shooting for a bunch of their sites. And it's really fun. I love it. Originally, we only were content creators. We didn't do any pro stuff. So this was kind of my breakthrough into pro. And I love it. They're a great company to work with. and like their stuff is beautiful. I like to watch it so that's why I chose to come with them. It's like classy. Yeah. You know it's like goes against anything you've ever heard of like an adult industry type situation. Very artsy. Very very. I like how that's artsy and then the wifey side is more like these are real life fantasies so it it just hits all the right boxes. And I think for women for me it's like more comfortable to watch. It doesn't seem like sleazy. it comes across like very well done and so there's like perfect date night put on your wifey episode have some wine yeah and with a little sex well we just you know when we talk about wifey on our podcast you know we always say you know in the previously we've said well our only fans content is kind of part of the education right you can you can listen to our podcast and you can hear us talk about swinging all that stuff but some people just want to see it right they want to see like how does it work and who touches who and how do you know who goes next and you know kind of all this stuff and so we always jump well watch our only fans like you'll see that stuff um but wifey's the perfect because it's it's the documentary so you get everybody's backstory you kind of get how they got into the lifestyle um and then you get to see what their fantasies are in real life and it's pretty it's pretty cool so what you were one of the first girls to film with lifey right i think so yeah and then uh so it's probably been interesting for you now that to see the girls come along yeah uh and it really seems like it's it's kind of a family like everybody gets the bracelet. Do you have your bracelets on? I do have mine on, yeah. And then I've seen a lot of the girls hanging out at the different events and stuff like that. So have you got to know some of the other wifey girls? Yeah, I like it. I like that it not only creates a community, but it builds your own community within. And I think it's getting a lot bigger. I think so too. Yeah, I'm surprised. I was like, how many people are going to come on here and share this part of their life? But a lot. Yeah, and they want real couples. So like if a couple is listening to this and they're like I want to do that. You don't have to be a content creator. You don't have to be in this space. You just have to be willing to share your story. Yeah. Really cool. It gives an opportunity for couples that are just in this for lots of different reasons. Yeah. So were you guys public prior to Wifey? Were you out on social media and things like that? Yeah. Have you received pushback from all that? What's it been like? I think the only pushback we've received is just me going into pro in general. Yeah. So not necessarily on the Wifey site, but Yeah. That's kind of how we are. You're not a real swinger. We get that just already. So knowing us going into this, we are going to receive some of that. And we kind of knew that going in. And it's just part of it. I mean, yeah. You're never going to make everyone happy. No, you're not. I mean, I was treated like a queen here. So if this is what that's like, then okay, I'll take it. You know, call me what you want. I mean, this has been such a nice experience. I can't imagine doing it any other way yeah do you think this content like it going out and it's you know it's getting a lot of attention there's a lot of viral videos now on social media and stuff do you think it'll help normalize non-monogamy do you think more people might be interested in it from seeing this type of content I think so I think it's already becoming a little bit more normalized because a lot of people want to be non-monogamous but there's the idea that you have to be and that's the way it's supposed to be a bunch of real life couples come out and again they all have different types of stories and types of kinks they're like huh i'm not weird i'm not wrong like i think it's gonna help for sure and that's why we were like absolutely yeah let's be part of this it's definitely gonna help a lot of people open up yeah so when did you guys go public like on social media and stuff like that um so we stopped being faceless creators in 2020 but we were faceless no name So we joined TikTok and social media and started talking about swinging in 2020. And even then, like when we first started making TikTok videos, I think there was maybe two or three other people on TikTok talking about non-monogamy and swinging and things like that. And now, you know, we get on TikTok and it's like every day you see a new face. And I'm like so proud of those people. I'm like, yes, do it. Because like it was scary for us when we first, there wasn't a whole lot of people out there that were just saying, hey, we're swingers, look at us. And now, so many people do it. I'm like, yes. You're starting to see it even on TV shows where they drop little pineapples and hints and joke about it and stuff. So I really feel like it's starting to become more and more normalized. And I do think platforms like Wifey that are getting it out there to more people and showing, like you're saying, that, hey, this sounds taboo. It sounds weird. But here, look at these couples. They're normal couples who love each other, who are clearly in love. And look at the experiences that they're having. I want to do that. I want to try that. I think it's hard to watch some of these episodes and not part of your brain not be like I kind of want to try that yeah for sure yeah well I think if you just like google like hot wife or google any kind of like lifestyle or swinger um content like just you're gonna find it all over the world this is like the best of the best so I think if this is something that you're interested in definitely check out a few of the episodes because they're they're pretty awesome yeah I like the story side yeah you too yeah you don't even honestly I didn't even watch the sex you know like I just and what I love is they're usually an hour long and like 40 minutes is like them talking yeah and her you know her getting ready there's a like a very small part of it is the sex and so I just I think it's very well done yeah I think so too yeah the stories are great yeah hearing like how they got into it yes for sure well there's so many different you know it's a lot of hot wife couples but even within like we're primarily a full swap couple and uh really this is probably our biggest hot wife experience that we've had yeah for sure uh and so it's interesting to see everybody's story and kind of you know the different backgrounds and where they come from and what they're into and then see them have an experience here yeah have you guys done other stuff in so we're primarily also full swap and then i'll go and i'll hot wife sometimes i just think it's fun yeah like yeah i like seeing him with other people he likes seeing me with other people like just fun i think people that are starting in the lifestyle the idea of hot wifing is kind of like an easy or like bringing in a female or so then like bring bringing one person in seems a lot easier and almost like a little bit more accepted like mainstream than like fully swapping with another couple so a lot of couples start here and then kind of work to more of a full swap couple yeah yeah seems like a lot of couples want to start with single girls and then they realize how hard that is it's so much harder it's so much harder many of single males and then they'll go to couples and then they realize how hard it is to I think it's easier to go find a single dude and a single girl and be like hey guys let's go bang in the same room yeah yeah that's a lot of couples that we know that do hot wifing is to go like I don't it's just so hard for us to find that four-way connection yeah and you know there's not a lot of guys that I'm super attracted to within our friend group or something like that so they're like I'll go find some single guy that'll you know at least give me a good experience and they kind of go that route. Yeah. I only need to find them attractive and then I think women are beautiful. So it's pretty easy for him to find somebody that's like, yeah. Dance joke. Dance joke is he'll fuck 80%. Yeah. Usually most of the swimmer parties and events we go to, I'm like, there's a fair chance about 80% of the women in this room I'd probably have sex with. And that's been true most of the time. He's easy to please. Me, not the same. That is so funny. Not the same. No, I'm like 20%. You're picky. I'm picky. Sometimes I wish he was more picky. The truth comes out. Yeah, I'm so picky. But I also love that he loves like all different types of women. You know, it's not just like a stereotypical, like beautiful woman. I love that he embraces all different body types and different personalities. And so you really are a good guy for that. Well, you gotta, I mean, if you're going to do this, why not experience the full gambit of what's out there, you know? For sure. That's true. We talk about that a lot. Like people ask us, they even asked us yesterday in our interview they were like what is your type like well the cool thing about the lifestyle is we're not trying to find a life partner here we're not trying to find someone to take home to our parents like this is my guy this is just somebody that's going to give me an awesome experience and i feel like the more we've leaned into that we've had better experiences because somebody that you traditionally might look at and be like i don't know they might actually give you like the best fucking time ever you know and so we've kind of leaned into that probably in the last the best year or so and I think our experiences have gotten much better for us yeah I think it's we've stopped being so superficial about it and been more about like if they have good energy if they have a good vibe if we can laugh and joke with you and have a real conversation yeah but that's all you really need then to have the chemistry to take it to the next level um and because you know some of the hottest people are terrible and terrible humans yeah they're the lazy you know just want to lay there and take it or whatever yeah just laying there doing nothing yeah So I think the next thing I wanted to ask you guys about, and I think something that a lot of couples don't really understand is, do you think since opening your relationship up that it's helped your marriage, that it's affected that, and in what ways? I think trust. You know, once you see someone with someone else, you just gain so much trust. Like, you don't think that they're going to go out and cheat on you. She'll just talk to you about it. Yeah, I think it builds the communication a lot. So literally anything we can talk about. Yeah. And just know that we're not going to judge each other. Yeah. And it's helped in scenarios that don't involve sex. Yeah. Yeah. Just your everyday life. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I know. I tell people all the time. I'm like, I've never been in any kind of relationship where I could just look at him and say basically anything and know that I'm going to be loved and accepted. And that is such a freeing feeling. And I didn't even know that it existed. until joining the lifestyle with him and and being a part of this yeah you know we get questions on our podcast all the time about jealousy and insecurity and all these other things and it's funny the answer to all those problems is always communication and like you said this lifestyle it forces you to have those those hard conversations and when you've had the hard conversations about having sex with other people when you've had the hard conversations about insecurities that you may have having conversations about money or Yeah. And there's, let's not get it wrong. There's definitely been times in everyone's relationship where like you don't like something or you find out that you thought you liked it, but you don't. And going through that and working through it, it's beautiful. A lot of times if I just say it out loud, that fixes whatever, however I'm feeling. Like he could touch somebody and I could be like, oh, that was very sensual. But me saying, oh, when you did that, I was like, I don't know how I felt, but like him acknowledging my feelings and then me, that's all I need. It's not a big fight. It's not a major, major ordeal in our relationship. It's just being able to look at him and say those words makes me feel better. I like what you said about acknowledging how you feel because communication is easy, but when you're not being, when you're not having it reciprocated, I think it is something that a lot of people miss. So you have to be heard, accepted, acknowledged. and it yeah with that you have a recipe for the best relationship yeah yeah i think it's so funny i don't know how it is for you guys but some of the things that trigger the jealousy is not what you think it would be right so like her getting you know having sex with you know poor guys it's not the things that make you jealous it's like somebody like i brushed somebody's hair out of their face one time yeah in the middle of an orgy and it like triggered her like that yeah yeah she had no problem with me dicking them down no problem with me fucking them like a doggy style Sucked my dick. I could cum in their mouth, no problem. But brushing the hair out of their face, that was too intimate for her. There was one time where he was like making out with this girl. And I was like, we got, I didn't say it at the time, but later I was like, you were really making out with her. Like for real, for real. He was like, hold on. He like pulled up his phone. He was like, because we're content creators. I went back to like one of the previous videos we had done. I was like, did it look like this? And she's like, I was like, oh, you're right. And I'm like, are you in love with him and want to run away with him? She's like, nah, that was just fun. But it literally made it click in her head. I was like, okay, you're right. Absolutely right. But he's right. I can see him do all the dirty things to a girl. But him be sweet and like touch her like that. I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that. That's for me. Yeah. I don't mind the sensual stuff because that's part of the fun part with sex. But like the after sex stuff. I'm like, all right, that's got to be it. Like no cuddling. But like no cuddling. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. But I think. For me, sometimes getting a little jealous makes the sex better. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we talk about that. A little jealousy is okay. Yeah, a little bit. Well, sometimes it's like some of the things I know will make her a little bit jealous. I'll kind of like, hey, did you see this lady? You better not ever do that. Yeah, he does. But I kind of like, like, I can tell when he's doing it because he'll be like smiling and I'm like, I've seen you. Makes me want to fuck him better. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a huge part of it for us sometimes is like after we're with somebody else, we want to to fuck each other better than that person. Yeah, I try to go harder. We talk about it. We talk about a lot, like leading up to it. And then like when we get home, like if we're going to hang out with a bunch of friends or whatever, we'll be like, you're going to see me be our dirty little whore this weekend. And he's like, oh yeah. You know, and so we'll like talk about it. And then we get home, we'll talk about it once we're at home. Like, did you see me do this thing? And it just like, for me, it's like poor play. It makes our sex life better. So I think for a lot of hot wife couples like that is the reason for being a hot wife couple is because they like the reclamation sex and it elevates it to such a point. Lacey didn't give me that opportunity last night. What do you mean yesterday? She had sex with four dudes. We got back to the hotel room. She went to bed. No. It was a long day. Ordered DoorDash. Had her. I had a cheeseburger. Had her steak and shake. And then I was out. Okay I got you to that babe. I got you to that. Did you get morning sex? No. No. Oh, my gosh. We still haven't had sex. We have not had sex yet. Oh, my gosh. No, the best part is, like, right after. I know, I know. Swollen and ready to go. As soon as his wife's done, like, he, like, pounces. Like, he's like, move out of my way. We're not quite that bad, but I definitely owe it to you, babe. I promise. I promise. But it was a busy day. That was a long day. It was a long day. And it was a lot of giant. You did put in a lot of work. A lot of giant things, you know? Okay, so when you guys have the reclamation sex, do you feel like that connects you on a different level? Or is it emotional? I think it's important for sure. I think for us, I don't know, correct me if I'm wrong, it's a way for us to like fight for each other bad. That's a good one. And then it gets sensual. It's not only like really hot, intense sex, it's also and you're like wow i really love you oh i prefer you yeah it makes it stronger like a connection a lot stronger i think a lot of people what you said prefer you i think people we get like they ask questions about like what if you find somebody you like better or what if you know there's all these what ifs and i think what you said there is important is we always prefer our husband he has like home court advantage kind of like he knows all the right buttons all the places to touch us and i think people that's something that people don't quite realize that our husbands like know all the things they do everything yeah you know it all yeah it's the same for the wives you know like you know lacy's right we get this all the time what if somebody fucks you and all it's like like you're gonna fall in love with them and want to run away with them out of having sex with them one time like well if that happens you probably ought to go with them like they deserve you at that point if somebody fucks you that good where it changes your life but it's it's probably never gonna happen because like lacy can if i can't come Lacey can say five sentences and I'll come like that. Nobody else knows that. Nobody else can do that. I think that sex with different people is great and wonderful and we really enjoy it. But there is something that you know your partner intimately in a way that nobody else would without putting years of effort and time into that relationship. Yeah. I think having fun is important and you get to like scratch an itch. But the reclamation sex, it's just builds on your own relationship for sure so I think it's important to do but it's definitely important to do it is I just I don't think people realize that how important that piece is especially in a hot wife couples when the wife has went and played with either without the husband or him watching it kind of like just it's like the end of the yeah I know it kind of like puts a cap on everything it kind of sums it all up I agree and it doesn't need to be you can have like the floor play you have the soft sensual touching the talking the kissing the oral like anything just to bring you guys back together yeah yeah i think it makes going and hot wifing and going enjoy others makes what's at home feel so much special like it's so special and that it it put the emphasis emphasis on that yeah i agree so um Some stigmas. So I think non-monogamy, swinging, hot wifing, all these things are still very, very stigmatized. It's really something that me and Lacey really feel passionately about. We have friends that are still losing their jobs. We have friends that are in custody battles over children with ex-spouses because of non-monogamy. So what are some things you'd like to see come from this platform and your platform for others to learn about non-monogamy? Well, I think that people need to learn to separate the fact that E&M is not cheating, it's not adultery. And adultery is what is grounds for divorce, you know? Or legality with custody cases, like adultery is where you can get in trouble, but it's not. You guys are both consenting to this. So I hope that, especially with wifey and like showing so many couples that do it, normalizes it because we're not doing it out of spite and we're not doing anything wrong like we're both two adults consenting with other consenting adults i don't know i i'm very also passionate on this and the adult industry in general i think just needs to be de-stigmatized yeah we're not doing anything wrong yeah we're just having fun we're doing what everyone is doing behind closed doors yeah for sure yes do you think this like younger generation that's coming up is helping like destigmatize it because they seem so much more open and free and not so many labels and just kind of you know non-monogamy for them seems very common you think they're they're helping it a little bit i definitely think people in their 20s are out there just like living life and not caring what other people do with their lives so yeah i do think that it's going to change but I don't know cuz it's generational yeah it's just driven into some people so we have a lot of work to do agree but I think with podcasts like yours sites like wifey and couples like us who are like hey yeah it's okay to do this we're gonna be the stepping stone for the people after us to be like hey they yeah they put the cement the foundation yeah like they did it for us now let's keep going so yeah eventually it is crazy to me that in 2025 where we're we've we've learned so much and we've come so far in being you know open and accepting of you know different genders and different sexuality types that for some reason non-monogamy still has this stigma it just strikes a nerve with some people and i think it's the cheating i think that people just cannot get past that it's not cheating yeah but i mean cheating is so common like think of how many people get divorced because they're sleeping with or like they have these kinks about cheating or like it's just so common that it's crazy to me that those same people would look at us and be like you're wrong it's much more socially acceptable to have cheated than to be non-monogamous which is absolutely crazy it's so bonkers i don't understand that at all but i think we're i think we're doing the groundwork yeah we're definitely changing life for everyone after us yeah that's that's the the hope So, if you had to give advice to some couples that were thinking about, you know, either hot wifing or trying non-monogamy, what would be some advice that you give somebody that maybe have seen your platform, seen you on wifey? I feel like just go for it. Go for it. I like that. Just do it. If you don't like it, you just stop. Yeah. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with it. I mean, I think the hardest part for people, and maybe I'm putting words in your mouth, but I think the hardest part for people is the judgment that they might feel from their closest family and friends and that won't matter as long as you have a partner there to support you through these things so nobody else matters just remember that only you and your partner should care yeah i don't know i think it's so sad though like the custody battle and losing jobs how can that happen yeah i it's it's a coin you gotta toss yeah you know be happy i think a lot of people who are public end up being content creators because we don't have to worry about like what our job would think or we don't have to worry about um you know somebody finding our tiktoks or whatever um and so i think a lot of people that have chosen to share tend to be more content creators and i hope maybe one day that will change yeah i think so yeah i think you just have to be happy right like do what makes you happy in life yeah well that's the funny point because when you go to these you guys go to parties and events and you meet people and you were telling me vaccine about some of the la parties and stuff people would be shocked right if they actually know they say something that's like 10 percent of america um is is has tried this and it's like i think five percent of america is actively engaging in it um and you know we go to parties we see lawyers we see teachers um we've met a few priests at parties uh you know i imagine here in hollywood you see celebrities and things like that i think people would be shocked right yeah yeah it's so much more common than you think that's That's why I stand so hard on don't care what other people think. Yeah. Everyone's doing it. Yeah. Or they're thinking about it. It's a hot new thing, guys. Getting peer pressured. Yeah. All right. So our episode or our scene, your scene, is coming out Valentine's Day week. Yeah. Ooh. And so we're super excited about that. So people need to go when they see this podcast. I think your scene will already be out. So then you go check that out on wifey. But we have a few Valentine's focused questions for you guys. if you can handle them. So what does Valentine's Day look like for a hot wife couple? Or what do you think is the ideal Valentine's Day for a hot wife? Ideal. I mean, we don't really. Oh my God, I don't know how to answer this because we don't really celebrate Valentine's Day. Oh, you don't? We'll go out to dinner and like, you know, and just. Say, we don't usually buy gifts, but we'll go out to dinner. Yeah, we do. It's hard to buy gifts for somebody that buys whatever she wants, whatever she wants. I'm glad you know. I'm glad you. I think the ideal situation would be maybe going for a nice little cocktail. I don't like to eat dinner before doing the fun stuff, but I think going out for a nice cocktail and organically meeting somebody, having a great conversation, and then having fun. So you like the organic. So you like going to the bar and finding a guy that doesn't know and just be like... Do you send her to go talk to him? She chooses it. Yeah, you want to. So you'll leave him over and then you'll go and chat and see what you can do. a couple of times, but every time it has, it's so hot. It ends up being amazing. That sounds very hot. We've never done that. We haven't. That would be a fun Valentine's Day. Yeah, we've talked about it. Yeah, yeah. You're at a table together, and you walk, you see who's walking in, and you're like, okay, I'm going to go talk to that person. And you know what it is? Everyone stares at her, so she's like, just picking. That's going to be so hard to find somebody that wants to fuck you, right? Okay, I got another question. The perfect Valentine's Day gift for a hot wife. I got four for Valentine's Day, so there you go. I don't know. What's the perfect gift? What would you get me? Anal. How about like a trip to Cabo? Always go to Anal. Right? It's always butt stuff, dude. Yeah, trips are fun. Trips are fun. Yeah. Trips are fun. Trips are a lot of fun. I like going on trips too because it gets you away from your own space and you're like oh nobody knows me. We've been doing this a lot lately. We've been just like shooting out. We know some friends that they are busy with their kids lives and they have small children they're playing sports they're just they don't have time to hotwire for being non-monogamous so they'll like pick a week every year and they go to like one of these resorts and like for that week that that's what they do they just go and live it up and then they go back they pack their bags and go home and it's just normal life again normal mom and dad back you know to life and so people say we don't have time for this you can if you if it's important you can definitely yeah you can make time i wish more people would do that yeah yeah it's just like taking a vacation you just go take it take a sexcation yes but that's i think a sexcation would be a great valentine's day gift yes that would be awesome yeah so um valentine's day miss last question is it really just for couples is valentine's day only for couples i don't think so Well, not if he gets her a vacation where she goes. There's other people there. Yeah. So that single person is getting a nice Valentine's Day. Yeah, the single person is getting a very good Valentine's Day. So a sexcation, but with like a group of your friends. Yes, that sounds fun. Yes. We always say that. Like, you know, we've gone to a lot of different places and people always ask us like, oh, what's the best trip? What's the best club? What's the best place to go to? And for us, it's always been like, well, it's really not about the place. It's about the people. If you could bring a good group of you can go and we could have a blast right here if we brought 10 couples in here that we really liked you know what i mean so it really isn't about where you go so much as who you're with i agree yeah so no i don't think it's just for couples i think valentine's day could be for anyone go out to a bar on valentine's day maybe you'll get lucky yeah and if you don't drink um i don't know don't know what to tell you go outside you could still go yeah you could have a mocktail yeah for sure I feel like that's getting more and more popular. Definitely. It is. Yeah. But that sounds like a fun date to me. Well, we really appreciate you guys coming on the podcast and sharing your home with us. Our home, I guess we could say. We could say now. But if people enjoyed this conversation and they want to find more about you two, where do they go to find you? You can find both of us on morejesse.com and that's M-O-O-R-E-J-E-S-S-S-S dot com. And you can find all my pro scenes on vixenplus.com. Yeah, and then make sure you go to Wifey and check out Lacey's new Valentine's Day scene and the four gifted men that she spent yesterday with. I can't wait to watch this. Yeah, watch that with your wife. That would be a good way to spend Valentine's Day. I'm sure if you watch that scene, you're going to have a good Valentine's Day night with your partner because it was pretty hot. I got a very front row view of all that. It was a good experience. Yeah. Jealous. All right. Well, I think that's it in a world full of apples. Be the pineapple. Be the pineapple, guys. Bye. Bye. If you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us, leave a five-star review wherever you're listening. If you want to see more of our content, you can find links to Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram, OnlyFans, and more in the show notes. Come join the conversation with us and other Swinger content creators on our Swinger Society Discord server. 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