Swinging While Pregnant: Myths, Facts & Guidance From Dr. Stoehr

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Speaker1: This podcast is intended for adult audiences. Over the age of 18, it contains adult language and situations. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this podcast belong solely to us, and not of any employer, organization, committee, or other group or individuals. This podcast is not intended to be taken as professional advice. Welcome to the Swing Nation podcast, a podcast by swingers, for swingers, where we look to educate others and push back on the negative stigmas and misconceptions associated with our lifestyle. Come with us and share our pineapple journey as we travel the globe. Interview the experts, learn and grow together. Join the nation. So Lacey, people are asking, how do they get to go to a party or an event with us? They check out swingersociety.net, you create a profile, you sign up for an event, and you come hang out with us. Super easy. That's right. If you want to party with us and the other faces and names that you know from social media and TikTok, head on over to swingersociety.net. Can't wait to see you there. Hey there, pineapple people, and welcome to the Swing Nation podcast. We are your hosts, Northern Guy. And Southern Girl. And we are back in the studio with our good friend, Dr. Storr. We are. For another Ask the Expert episode. Yeah. It's kind of become a staple here on the podcast. We also need more topics. We need more topics because Dan and I usually like come up with a topic. So if they're is something that you want to hear about? Tell them what exactly your title is again so they can know what your specialties are. So I'm an MD. I have a specialty in OBGYN. I specialize beyond that in pelvic and sexual pain and sexual dysfunction. And obviously have quite the interest in the swinging lifestyle and how to stay safe. I love that. So yeah, if there's ever a topic that you think that we should cover, if you want to email us at theswingnation at gmail, we will. 100% take your suggestions because we're always trying to come up with stuff. So it's nice to know what the people want. Yeah. All those questions you're probably maybe afraid to ask your own OBGYN. Which you shouldn't be afraid to ask your own OBGYN anything, but people are. Correct. I get it. I'm the same way. Like I just, this is, we're off topic, but I just recently went to my OBGYN by annual and I'm 41. So I was like, so can I talk to you about my hormones? He was like, oh, you're come back and talk to me in 10 years and he left the room like that and i know from talking to dr store that is not okay but that's not okay total sidetrack here but so i enjoy these conversations for that i've got to learn all of these things and and she's taught me those so but you got them to check it right no i found a different place good job lacy yeah well always find a new doc if they're not giving up well i knew that that appointment was coming up so i was really hopeful that he I had a feeling that it would go the way it did, but I was hopeful that he would not behave that way, but he did. But it's okay. I went last week to have my hormone check, and I go this Thursday to get my results. So I'm super excited. I'll just share with y'all once that happens and what I decide to do. Curious to hear on my end. Yes, I can't wait to show you. But that's not what we're here to talk about today. I got off track. Sorry. All right. But that's a good note. Mail us your questions or subjects. that you want us to talk to Dr. Sor about. Usually she sends me a text the day of our podcast and she's like, so what are we going to talk about today? I'm like, I don't know. What do you want to talk about? And then we come up with something. So people that actually have things they want to talk about would be helpful. Okay. But today we're talking pregnancy. We are. Which is kind of a hot button topic in the lifestyle. I think it has become more of a hot button topic because the age of swingers, I feel like is slowly going. younger and younger. Like it used to be like something our parents did, which I know we're our parents. But we don't seem that old as they did. But really and truly, swinging used to be something that you would think of when people's kids were grown and kind of like empty nesters. It was like an empty nest thing. I agree with that. Yeah. Okay. And a lot of swingers are now like in their 20s. And so we're at prime like baby making age, you know. And we had a lot of friends either are just talking about it. We've been around people that are actively breastfeeding. So they're, you know, still have the milky titties. We just went to Hedo. There was a lady there that was breastfeeding. So it's definitely a hot topic. So we wanted to talk about it because, like, do you have to, like, quit the lifestyle to do this? Do you take a break? Because we talk about seasons of life. Do you take a break during this? or do you, is there a way to do it safely? So that's why we wanted to talk to Dr. Shork today about that. I honestly think this is an interesting subject. One of my very best friends in the lifestyle is very pregnant and has asked me a lot of questions. That's awesome. We have a really good friend that is also pregnant. Another friend that just had a baby not long ago. Yeah. We've encountered it. It is something you're going to encounter if you're in the lifestyle is people going through faces. And I think everyone's going to do it differently. So there's not like, a right way or wrong way, but I think just having the conversation about it is important. So. Yeah. And I do think, you know, one of our friends that is pregnant right now is on social media as well. And if you read through her comments, there are some people that are very, very opinionated about people being pregnant and being non-monogamous. But she also like leans into it as well. Like she's made a couple of TikToks where like a couple of guys are lined up and she's like, who's the daddy? Like to be funny, you know, to like fuck with the trolls. So, I mean, it's kind of like, twofold there. Right. But I think getting doctor stores, medical opinion on this, or, you know, maybe even just some advice and suggestions for people that are going down this road or considering going down this road would be super useful. Yeah, for sure. I guess the first thing I would say is maybe let's talk about people that are wanting to try and get pregnant, people who are currently pregnant and then maybe people who are like immediately postpartum and breastfeeding. Got it. Yeah, perfect. Yeah. Okay. So actively attempting pregnancy and the lifestyle is going to be kind of an Interesting sort of thing. Obviously, you do want to know who baby daddy is. And a lot of times in the lifestyle, one of the things that people will advertise is that they're, you know, actively on birth control, some type of long acting birth control, they've got a vasectomy, what have you. So if you're actively trying for pregnancy, both the male and the female are going to need to be fertile at the time. So both of them are going to be completely off of any type of fertility or infertility medication. So you wouldn't want a man with a vasectomy, obviously. and you wouldn't want a woman who's on any type of birth control, especially a long-acting. So shorter-acting birth controls like birth control pills are not as effective as long-acting stuff like an IUD. So if you're, you know, very specifically wanting to try and you come off everything, then both you and your partner are fertile and can potentially be fertilized and or fertilize somebody unintentionally. So that's kind of the first thing to really be concerned with, making sure that you're consistently using condoms. that the condoms are put on the penis before there's any contact with the genitals at all. And then obviously, if there's breakage, considering using something like Plan B in order to prevent a pregnancy. Condom breakage is super common. It's one of those things that before the lifestyle, even as a gynecologist, I was like, how often does that really happen? And I cannot tell you how many condoms I have sucked off when I've orgasmed. It's not uncommon. I have fished out many a condom from my own vagina. and breakage and condom failures happen. So in those types of situations, it's important to know plan B is not an abortifacient, i.e. it doesn't cause an abortion. If you're already pregnant, plan B does nothing for you. It's just high-dose progesterone. High-dose progesterone is the overriding hormone in pregnancy anyways. So if you're already pregnant, it can't do a damn thing to you. For that matter, taking birth control while you're pregnant isn't harmful either. Your body is like a pittance in comparison to the amount of hormones that the placenta and the baby are cranking out. So the Plan B, really all it does is it prevents you from ovulating. It kind of gives your body a big dose of progesterone, which, you know, kind of kinks up the system and tells your brain, hey, you might be pregnant, don't ovulate, you know. So your body just doesn't ovulate after you take high doses of progesterone. And that's all Plan B is, is this really high dose progesterone. Speaking of Plan B, we actually just found, heard a story. We were talking to this couple, and they had friends that were actively trying for a baby. They were playing with them. They used protection. They did everything correctly. And just what you said, the husband looked down and realized that the condom was broken. And he knew that they were actively trying. So he went to the couple and said, hey, I know you're trying. So I just want to make everyone, let's stop. Let's make everybody clear of what just happened. And that's what they did. They just, they didn't think anything had, he hadn't came or anything like that, but just to be better safe than someone else. Sorry, she took a Plan B just to make sure that nothing happened. So that actually, I'd never heard of anybody saying that until just literally it was last week that we were told that. So that's kind of crazy. I would have, I guess I haven't been trying for a baby in a long time though. So that's not something that would immediately come to my mind, but it's good to know. That was absolutely the right thing to do. Even if he hasn't come, there's actually something called pre-ejaculate. I mean, a guy, you know, like pre-cum, all guys have seen that. Pre-cum has just as many sperm and it is ejaculate. does. I mean, not quite, but got a couple million sperm and pre-ejaculate and a couple billion in a normal ejaculate. And you need one. So even if there's any pre-cum on this, one of the reasons that condoms need to be on the penis before any contact with the genitalia happens is because pre-cum has sperm in it. So yeah, that was the right thing to do. Absolutely. Like I said, plan B, not an abortive fashion. The biggest thing to know about plan B for the vagina owner is that when you take plan B, it will fuck up your periods for a hot second. So you won't know when you're ovulating for a minute. So if you're actively trying, just be careful, be consistent with condoms until you have a couple of regular periods in a row again. Because with the plan B, you won't ovulate right after you take it for about, you know, five to seven days or so. For that matter, plan B can be taken up to five days after the unprotected intercourse. It's best in the first 24 to 48 hours. So heads up on that. But it will put off you ovulating for a little while, and then it'll put off your period for usually a week. So all hell may break loose with your period. Expect it. Embrace it. It goes away after a month or two. But you won't know when you're ovulating for a minute. So yeah, just plan B is kind of like a really big important thing if you're actively trying for pregnancy and there's any type of question about condom breakage or what have you. And plan B for anybody who is having sex with the male of the partnership if he's, you know, not actively preventing pregnancy as well. So and they're about to come out with a male birth control. I don't know if you guys heard about that. that. I've heard rumors. I saw something. I think it was on Facebook or something. I'm like, I'm not sure if that's, you know, when you see stuff on Facebook, you're like, I don't know if it's real. Yeah, it hasn't hit the market yet. But the second it does, we will absolutely have a chit chat about that. I'm super excited. That's exciting. Like, you think it'll be in the next six months or a year? What do you think? Wow. I think it's going to be within the next six to 12 months. Yeah. Some of the, like, follow up. The human studies are well in progress. They've had, I think, two published studies now on the human studies. So usually it's somewhere around three to or a very, very large study will get put out and that's enough for the FDA to approve it. Interesting. Interesting. Okay. So plan B sounds like if you are somebody that's actively trying to have babies and still engaging in the swinger lifestyle, having some plan B on you, it seems like that would be. Or at least you need to have, like, you need to have a conversation with your husband or your partner or whoever that is. If you're actively trying and still wanting to be in the lifestyle, that's a conversation. You need to talk about it, kind of plan if something was to happen, if that's something you're comfortable with. with or not or whatever, that those conversations definitely need to be had. It doesn't need to be, oh, my God, the counter broke. Now what? Yeah. Yeah. I think you never want to be the afterthought. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And then, OK, get Plan B. You can just go to a pharmacy and get it, right? Yes, absolutely. Most states, I'm pretty sure most states now it's over the counter. You can't purchase it off the countertop, but you can go up to the pharmacist and request a prescription for Plan B. Now, there are some states where if you go and request a prescription for Plan B, and the pharmacist is of a particularly religious background, they may decline to give it to you, but they have to find somebody else that will give it to you. So most places you do not require a prescription anymore for Plan B. You can just walk up to the pharmacist and say, hey, I need some Plan B and they should give it to you. Okay. So if you were, again, somebody that was trying to have a baby but didn't want to have it with somebody else, and so you wanted that as a backup in case something happened during a non-monogamous encounter, you could go to the pharmacy, get some, and just kind of have it on hand and that's highly what i would recommend because a lot of times those oopsies are like you know friday night right yeah after you know maybe well pharmacy will be open until monday you know and at that point you're pushing that 48 hour mark well i'm thinking like we were just at hito and we were there for eight days can you imagine like it's something like that they don't have that well i mean i'm sure you could leave the resort maybe find something somewhere i don't know i wouldn't chance it bring it with you if you're going on any kind of long vacation I feel like that guy on the beach could probably find you some. Don't know if I'd trust him to do that though. He probably could. Yeah. Yeah. He's killed. I promise. You know pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's great advice. Okay. Anything else for people that are trying to have babies? The other thing that I would highly recommend, and I know that this isn't very specific to the lifestyle, but go to your gynecologist before you're trying for pregnancy and get tested to make sure that you don't have anything that needs to be treated in advance. For instance, You don't want to have an oh my gosh, I have HIV and I didn't know it when you're pregnant. Because there's things we can do to significantly improve outcomes with things like HIV, hepatitis. You don't want to have gonorrhea or chlamydia at the time that you conceive because that has a significant increased risk for miscarriage. So making sure that if you're actively trying, you're using condoms consistently and you're testing regularly. There are some other things that we typically recommend, again, outside of the lifestyle, just making sure that you're taking prenatal vitamins, that you're being healthy, you're eating good. and that you don't have any deficiencies. For instance, you don't want to accidentally catch chickenpox or rubella while you're pregnant. Those are life-threatening to baby and to you. So you want to make sure that if you are not immune to those, that you get vaccinated in advance. Because when you're in a swinging lifestyle, you're liable to get exposed to a lot of people in close contact that may or may not have been vaccinated and may or may not get sick. Yeah. And so there is this, you know, when this is, you know, if we read through the comments we see on social media and stuff like that, there is this notion that if you are trying to get pregnant or pregnant and still engaging in this lifestyle, that you're somehow putting this baby at unnecessary risk. Well, we're not to the pregnancy part, babe. Well, but even in considering, right? So if you're considering getting pregnant, I think some people would say, well, you need to stop swinging because now you're putting your baby at risk for STIs. Well, I mean, the fact is, as long as you're being careful within the lifestyle, is there an increased risk of STIs? Yes. Is it significant? Not per the literature. I think I've thrown this statistic out there before, but there's data that shows that people that are being unfaithful in their marriages are much more likely to obtain an STI than somebody in a lifestyle. Probably much more likely to get pregnant as well than someone in the lifestyle. Absolutely. People in the lifestyle, for the most part, most of us are genuinely and conscientious. We're trying to prevent spreading STIs. Does it happen on occasion? Yeah. But for the most part, I mean, swingers actually have a lower rate of STIs than people who are fooling around on the side. Yeah. No, I can relate to that. I mean, me and Lacey have been doing this for eight years and I've knock on wood yet to have one. So I don't think that risk is, you know, people tend to say like, oh, if you're a swinger, they all have STIs and STDs and all this stuff. But I don't see that. Like that's not the reality. I live in. Does it happen occasionally? You hear of someone? Yeah, we have friends that have come to us and said, hey, we tested positive from this. You might want to go get tested. And that's, I mean, but that's happened like twice in like eight years. So it's not, I don't think it's as big of a thing as what people try to make it out to be. Yeah, I agree. I don't, I don't think the, I think the biggest problem when there is an STI that happens in the lifestyle is get a lot of people get exposed all at once. Yeah. Because it usually winds up being like, oh, somebody brought, you know, gonorrhea to a party and voila. Well, it's the same thing with like COVID. or strep throat or the flu. I mean, like every so often we'll all come home from a trip and like somebody was sick. And then before, you know, and like maybe there was like the first day of them not feeling well. And by the time we all get home, we're all sick. It's kind of the same concept. I mean, that person wasn't being irresponsible. They just didn't know. They just didn't know. Yeah. And I mean, the fact is, honestly, COVID is more dangerous for you than gonorrhea is. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Gonorrhea is easy to treat. Chlamydia is easy to treat. If they're untreated, they have really bad long-term cycle, eh? But as long as you treat when you figure it out, it's not that big a deal. It's really important. Yeah. Yeah. So just making sure on the front end that, you know, you're being careful using condoms consistently because, again, you, you know, want to try and prevent accidentally getting pregnant from somebody you don't intend to and also kind of trying to prevent catching some type of STI on the front end. One other thing that may be somewhat important to know if you're trying for pregnancy, if you have a lot of trouble with bacterial vaginosis, and I know we've talked about that and other podcasts, having active bacterial vaginosis at the time of pregnancy or the beginning of pregnancy can increase your risk for miscarriage as well. It also increases the risk for preterm delivery. So you want to make sure that if you have problems with your microbiome that you kind of get that taken care of, I guess is the best way to put it. Usually using condoms, being really consistent with condoms and not having as much exposure to other people's microbiomes is helpful. So if you're consistent with the condoms and you're not, engaging in a lot of toy play with another vagina owner, then, you know, the risk of altering the pH is lower. So just trying to, you know, avoid major pH changes and or after having intercourse of any nature, just using a little boric acid to try and prevent the pH from getting too far off. Interesting. Okay. All great advice. Yeah, I agree. All right. Anything else for considering or trying to be pregnant while in the lifestyle? I think that's probably the main things that I can think of off at the top of my Okay, one last question, though. As someone who is a doctor but is also in the lifestyle and advocates for the lifestyle, if your patient came to you that was in the lifestyle and said, I want to still remain active and try for a pregnancy, would you support? I'm assuming, based on everything you said, that you would support that. I guess that's just what I'm asking. Absolutely would support that. We would obviously have this same conversation and be careful about not getting pregnant. Or am I a bad mom? Bad mom, bad parent. I'm not a bad mom. Dan's the best mom ever. Again, honestly, it's a really conversation of risk versus benefit, in my humble opinion. So while pregnant, if you catch gonorrhea or chlamydia, it does significantly increase risk to you and to baby. Honestly, gonorrhea and chlamydia is much more problematic at the time of delivery than it is actually during the pregnancy itself. During pregnancy, there is something called the mucus plug, which sort of prevents infections from crawling up into the uterus. So catching gonorrhea or chlamydia in the vagina may increase the risk for preterm labor, but it's not going to infect the baby typically. When we worry about infecting baby is actually a time of delivery. And that's one of the things that the pediatricians treat babies with is those eye drops right after delivery. Those are to prevent ophthalmic gonorrhea. So you're trying to prevent an infection in the eyes. So in all honesty, one of the recommendations from the American Congress of obstetricians and gynecologists are kind of like a governing body for OBGYNs is to test for gonorrhea and chlamydia twice during pregnancy unless that's changed recently since I don't do a lot of OB anymore you check for it early in pregnancy and you check for it again at 36 weeks so or around the 36 week mark and then obviously if they're positive you we treat it's not it's not the end of the world to catch those while you're pregnant there's other things that are actually much more dangerous to catch while you're pregnant for instance Chickenpox and Rubella. Those are life-threatening for mom. They're life-threatening for baby. They can cause long-term sequelae that can be very dangerous. There's a couple of other things like this disease and a couple of other things you don't want to catch while pregnant. So, I mean, if you happen to get exposed to something like toxoplasmosis during pregnancy, that's a bad deal. They actually call them the torch viruses. Toxoplasmosis is the T of that. So, and then R is the rubella. So, there's several of them that you just do not want to catch. But they're not associated with sexual contact. They're just associated with close contact with somebody who's ill. And in all honesty, I think if I looked at the statistics on this, a primary education teacher, like somebody who teaches elementary school and or like preschool, is much more likely to catch a torch virus than a swinger. You know, kids may not necessarily have been vaccinated. You know, they're nasty. They pick their noses and touch you. They, you know, vomit on you. Catching something like, you know, set of my blood virus, you're more likely to catch that from a kid than Yeah, trying to avoid exposure to gonorrhea and chlamydia is important while you're pregnant, but more so really in the third trimester. It would be good if you could avoid getting exposed to herpes. That may be the one thing that's probably the most concerning during pregnancy would be not catching a primary herpes infection. Again, much more dangerous in the very early first trimester and the late third trimester. If you already have herpes, it's not the end of the world. We treat you during the third trimester to prevent an outbreak at the time in intercourse. Mainly because herpes isn't 100% protected for with condoms. Yeah. No, I think that's what I've heard a lot from people that we know that have gotten pregnant. It's almost like they just closed their, they don't, if they don't stop swinging, they just close their circle a little bit more. Yeah. You know what I mean? They're a little more careful about who they play with and people that they trust a little more, people that they know are getting tested regularly. To me, that seems like a pretty reasonable. Yeah. Or they will play until a certain point, you know, So that way, like maybe like until they're showing and then maybe close it even further. I don't, you know, I've seen some of that. I've heard of that before too. So I think whatever you choose to do is fine. Honestly, there's a kink for everything. So there's a lot of men out there that are sexually attracted to pregnant women. So I don't think that you're going to like not find potential partners. I agree. I think if you're going to like give a cutoff point, and again, this isn't like a stern rule. I don't have any data on this. I would say probably 36 weeks would be a reasonable cutoff point just because after 36 weeks you have an increased risk for all sorts of things you know you don't want to get exposed to group B strep you don't want to get exposed to gonorrhea or chlamydia you really don't want herpes at that point so some of the stuff after 36 weeks gets a lot more like touch and go I didn't even want to be touched at 36 weeks let alone swing I can't even imagine seriously I was so horny in my third time were you that's I mean like that's good but like I can't imagine being a swinger though I just felt I don't know. I don't know. Reagan just thought I was the sexiest thing on earth. I love pregnant women. For the record, if you're looking for somebody to swing with and you're pregnant, email me at theswingnation at gmail. Nan loves it. I love it. Other than my ex-wife, that's the only pregnant woman I've ever had sex with. That's not the experience I had when I was pregnant. I kind of hate that we don't get to do that together. I mean, I don't want a baby, but that is thing that makes me a little sad. We can't have a baby. Do you support it now, though, if I found a girl that wanted to swing pregnant? Yeah, you could fuck her. Don't get her pregnant, but she can be pregnant. We told the story a hundred times, but I did suck on a pair of titties that had milk in them for the first time. I was drinking it. I don't even know if we're married yet. I think we were. It kind of rubbed her the wrong way. We had the podcast. Well, I just turned the corner and he's like going to town with the milk. And I, I don't know. It just was like, what? I just was shocked that that was something that he was doing. Like now I'm like, okay. Well, the funny thing is now there was, there was a female at Hedo that was just, she was close to the end of her breast milk. She had a little bit left. And Lacey's like, Dan, come over here. I was like squirting with it. That's how far we've come in the last four years. Yeah, I'm sure it is. Yeah, there's a lot of guys that like squirting nipples. It's a common kink. Yeah. Okay, so we got, we're going back, we got to go back to being pregnant. We went to squirting nipples, yeah. So you said your best friend is pregnant. One of my best friends. A very close friend of ours, yeah. Very good close friend. I guess this is the same advice that you gave her, you know, kind of the same thing, yeah. Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah. Yeah, there, I actually have two friends that are pregnant right now. Wow. Further along, yeah. But yeah, we talked about all of the different options. She actually decided to stop engaging in sex, I think around like 20 weeks, if I'm not mistaken, what I've been thinking of. The other one's not quite as far along. So, and I mean, I supported her in that, but absolutely, I mean, I don't think there's any reason to stop at all if you want to continue engaging, just as long as you're being careful with it. really is the big thing. I think personally, I would probably stop at some point, you know, like kind of give myself like a cutoff. I think being pregnant is magical. And I don't know, I'd kind of want to just like enjoy it with my person. I don't think anybody that chooses to swing is anything wrong. I think everybody has their prerogative. But I still think I would want to be around the lifestyle because the lifestyle is our friends, our family, our people, our group. So I think that I would still actively be a part of it. And still go and still hang out and still do all the things even without having sex, which is like the opposite of what everyone in the world thinks of swingers. You know, they think it's all about sex and it doesn't have to be. Yeah. No, absolutely. I 100% agree. I think, honestly, if Reagan and I were still having kids, I would be the same way. I'd be like, yeah, I'm pregnant. Don't necessarily want to play right now. But these are my friends. This is who I want to hang out with. The environment is fun. I wouldn't stop going to the events I don't think. I'd still try to fuck you though. For the record. Okay. Anything else? Any other advice? Glad to hear it. Glad to hear it. Any other advice you'd give to pregnant women who are still or considering being part of the lifestyle that we haven't talked about? A couple of things to know. First of all, if you're having sex while pregnant, increase risk for having bleeding after having intercourse. Cervixes that are pregnant don't really love to be touched. If you have a lot of bleeding, I would definitely get checked out. But if it's just light spotting or a little bit of cramping after having sex, that's actually pretty common. So don't freak out. But in the third trimester, especially if you have like heavy bleeding after or heaven forbid, like a big gush of fluid after having sex, make sure that you go get checked out. Okay. And then I guess a little bit, so women who are pregnant and having sex is, you know, you talk about the cervix and bleeding and stuff like that. Is there, Like certain positions that are better, certain positions to avoid, don't, you know, like, is there any... Are you taking notes? Yeah, just in case. That's actually a really good question. I wouldn't have thought to bring that up. So good on you, Dan. Pregnant women should not, after about 20 weeks, should not lay on their back for long periods of time. Yeah, because it actually, the uterus is really heavy at that point. It's got a baby in there. It's got a bunch of fluid in there. You can imagine having like two liters of soda just like sitting on you. That two liter of soda, i.e. baby, and fluid is all sitting on what's called the vena cava. So your inferior vena cava is what brings blood from your legs back up to your heart. And the placenta and the uterus and whatnot, once it sits on that inferior vena cava, it actually prevents the blood from returning from your legs back to your heart, which can cause all sorts of fun symptoms, lightheaded dizziness, it can cause cramps. And the baby doesn't typically like it, mainly because it's if you're not getting enough blood flow to your heart, baby's not getting enough blood flow to its either. So women probably shouldn't after 20 weeks, be lying on their back for long periods of time. So if you're having a marathon sex session, she can't be on her back. Some like missionary position is probably not a great idea. Usually what I recommend for patients if they're having sex during second and third trimester is to do sideline. So the woman's laying on her side, just like we're recommended to lay on your left side during pregnancy and then hook that, you know, right leg up over his shoulder and have him kind of coming from the side, if you know what I mean. So kind of like an L shape, you're laying on your side, but he's straight up as if he was, you know, doing missionary position. So he just kind of puts a leg up over his shoulder. Side lying is typically more comfortable because it's less likely to hit the cervix as well, which is a good thing. Cervixes don't really love to be touched during pregnancy. Like I said, they tend to bleed. They tend to cause cramping and whatnot. So side lying is good. Actually, another position that's typically fairly comfortable during pregnancy is actually doggy style. The cervix typically tips up out of the way. The uterus is completely off of all of the major structures. You can kind of like put a pillow up underneath the belly just to kind of support the weight of the belly. But that's typically a little bit more comfortable during pregnancy as well. Doggy sex. All right. Doggy sex during pregnancy. Yeah. Oh, my God. Somebody hosed him off. Put it on my bucket list. Oh, my God. Okay. Anything else? I hope this is a kink for you, Dan. This is kind of cute watching you get all bothered. It is cute. It is cute. Okay. Any other sex advice for pregnant people? For during pregnancy itself, again, because we're trying to avoid catching anything if the spouse of the pregnant person is or the partner of the pregnant person is still engaging in sex as well they need to be protecting themselves against catching gonorrhea and chlamydia too so he needs to still be using condoms really consistently yeah and that's probably pretty i mean i don't i don't know because we haven't really experienced this but i would assume when couples get pregnant that maybe the wife doesn't engage as much but the husband is still you know playing with their friends and things like that and that that would be something they consider is you're still having sex with these people. You gotta be careful because you're coming back to have sex with me at the end of the night. Yeah. Well, is it crazy of me that people should do all this even if they're not trying to get pregnant? No. Well, that's the thing. Really, if you're doing all of it the way we are, you wouldn't really have to change much. Yeah. You would be getting those same tests and being careful. We really wouldn't. Like if we decided, like if I had a uterus and a cervix and we decided we wanted to have a baby, we really wouldn't change anything and maybe getting some plan B. But other than that, like everything she, if you're like swinging. Responsibly. Yeah, responsibly. All of this should just be like, you're like, oh, I'm already doing that. So, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, it should, it should be kind of just following normal swingers guidelines. Yeah. You know, and if you are wanting to, you know, bareback or what have you, being really careful about it and making sure that, you know, you're barebacking people very, very closely. Like. Yeah. Limited. Limited. Yeah, so. Agreed. Okay. All right. I think now's the perfect time to take a little break and hear from the partners and sponsors of the Swing Nation podcast. And then when we get back, we're on to just had a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Breastfeeding, like just recent baby. You and that breastfeeding. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about breastfeeding. Oh, God. Lactating kicks. I like it. All right. We'll be right back, guys. Lacey, one thing I don't leave home without when going to a swinger event is my ED medication. That is correct. Performance anxiety is 100% a real thing. Having sex in an orgy room with 100 people in there is way different than having sex at home in your bedroom. It is. So I like to have what we call a little insurance policy and have some of that ED medication. in my pocket. Shameless Care is who I use for that. And they actually just came out with a new product called the Shameless Duo. Yeah. Which is a combination medicine that has Viagra and Cialis in it. So that one, you can be ready whenever. But also it's got that dose that you can take when you're, you know, as you're getting ready to go to the playroom and you need that to kick in. Yeah. So I love it. I mean, I used it at Hedo for the first time and that combination. You kind of pretty much switched to that, haven't you? That's basically what I use all the time. Yeah, so if you're looking for ED medication, if you're new to the lifestyle and you're going to an event, you might want to get some and have it just handy in case you need it. Yeah. And the really cool thing about Shameless Care is they don't set you up on a reoccurring plan. So you're not going to get all of this ED medication that you have in your nightstand built up. When it's time that you need more, you'll get an email from them and they'll ask you, hey, are you ready for another round? And you can respond back. Yes, please refill it. Or no, I'm good right now. Thank you. So it's really cool because you don't end up with all these extra pills and spend a bunch of money that you're not, you know, you don't need to spend. Yeah. And my favorite part is you don't actually have to go into an office and talk to your family doctor or a military doctor. You can do it all right online from the privacy of your home. You just go to the website, you fill out some forms, the doctor reviews it, approves you, disapproves you, and you move on from there. So if you would like to get some medication, you can go to the swing nation dot info click on the little recommended apps and products scroll down to the shameless care icon click on that and that's going to take you over there there's some discount codes there for you so you can get a discount off your first order but I highly recommend if you're going to some events or parties go get you some lifestyle insurance all right guys check it out Dan so when we're doing the podcast a lot of times we'll tell the listeners We are filming our content for OnlyFans, right? Mm-hmm. So how do they find that content if they want to see the videos that go along with the stories? Yeah. So that's a great question. So you are correct. We do film for OnlyFans. When we're going to clubs and events, we talk about sometimes, oh, we did OnlyFans with so-and-so. So if they're interested in that, they can go to theswingnation.info and they'll see right there on the front page Link to your OnlyFans. We are running promos. We are. And it could be anywhere from 50% to 80% off right now. Yeah. So I think right now it's 80% off. Wow. So you'd have to, you know, go grab that right away. But if you like watching orgies, if you like watching threesomes, if they want to see you take DBP, they want to see how big of a dirty slut you actually are. They can see all that right on your OnlyFans page. We kind of call it, it's like another tier of education. No, I was about to say that because I think like if you go to some of these major porn sites and you type in like swinging, you're going to find some things and it's usually not very good. Let's be real. We actually will get and we try to get as many orgies on camera as we can because a lot of people that are joining the lifestyle, they want to see us do a full swap with a couple or they want to see us engage in an orgy. And these are the same people that we will have orgies with at the Swinger Club, obviously without the cameras, we just kind of recreate it at opportunities that we can film. So if you're thinking about joining the lifestyle and you're like, man, I need to know, I need to see how they're navigating this. Our OnlyFans can be kind of educational if you ask me. I agree. So go over to theswingnation.info, click that blue and white button and go sign up today. Yeah. Check it out. We appreciate you guys. Lacey, if you're going to be a swinger. Yeah. You need to be a responsible swinger. I agree. And part of being a responsible swinger is getting tested on a regular basis. Yeah. Now, something I didn't know is not all STI, STD testing is the same. That is correct. Not every family doctor fully understands how you should be getting tested. That is correct. What one doctor thinks is a full panel, another doctor may have a completely different version of that. And being somebody in the lifestyle and engaging with multiple partners, what you should be getting tested for is probably, if you're not telling your doctor that, what you should be getting tested for is probably different than what they're thinking in their head. Yeah, because they don't know your lifestyle. Or even if they do know your lifestyle, there's a like, for instance, there is a new one called Imgen. And we just recently met a doctor at a lifestyle party and said that she had never even heard about it. And so she was awesome that we had educated her on that. So a lot of these doctors don't, they don't know it all. Right. So if you are going to participate in the lifestyle, you probably need to get tested from people that are meant to do this. Yes. So we use I Know My Status. It's the same people behind Talent Testing. It's a company that tests all the porn stars. So they're used to testing people that engage with multiple partners. They know all the latest on what STIs are coming up and spreading. And they track all the stats. I mean, they know how to test. people for STIs. They're the experts. They are. And if someone that you engage with, you know, if they have used I Know My Status, they can actually give you a QR code and you can scan it and you can see their results right on your phone so you can confirm everything that they're telling you. Yeah, 100%. So please, if you're getting tested, get tested the right way. We recommend using I Know My Status. You can go to theswingnation.info, recommended apps and products. Scroll down to the I Know My Status icon. and you can get a discount off your first test. But please, if you're being, if you're swinging, if you're engaging with people in the community, please be safe about it. Go get tested. Yeah, because we want you to fuck like a porn star. For sure. All right, guys, welcome back. Welcome back. Thank you for listening to our sponsors. Lacey loves our sponsors. I do. Okay, so when we left. Sponsors too. They're great. They are. They are. I know. Did you hear? Can I tell her about Shameless? Came out with a new product that is called Chemistry. What does it have in? I don't have my phone sitting here. It has. I texted her about this a little bit today. Oh, did you? We talked about specifically talking about this. I can Google this real quick. It's got. It has. You're testing me. Cialis, I believe, is one of the ingredients. Like the generic version. And it had some kind of. You'll have to look up Kim. I'm looking it up right now. Okay. I ordered it. I can put my glasses on. I can't read it. We're all totally off topic, but we're talking about sponsors. I did it. I ordered it, which I, you know, I have to do the same thing everybody else does. So I have to, you know, build my profile, fill out my medical release form. I'll answer all the questions, talk to the doctor, tell him all the medicines I'm on. And I got a message today that the doctor reviewed my chart and said, I am safe to have it. And so, Hopefully it'll ship out like tomorrow. The next day, I'm super excited to try it and report back to the people because it's made for women. Are you seeing it? There's 12 doses, 24 doses. I'm trying to figure out the information on it. Yeah, I got the 12 dose because I wasn't sure. For sure. Let's see. I think that's the one that has Cialis in it. It has the generic version of Cialis in it. And something else that was supposed to make you a horny. I can go grab my phone if you need me to. That's okay. Okay, here we go. Oh, oxytocin and didalafil. Okay. Yeah. Didalafil is the generic of Cialis. Cialis. Oxytocin is actually, so we're about to get into breastfeeding here. Nice lead in people. All right. Isn't it that stuff that makes you like have butterflies and makes you happy and makes you like. Oxytocin is the bonding hormone. Oh. Oxytocin is released at particular times. Oxytocin is released after sex. Yeah. With cuddling, you can get oxytocin release. Oxytocin is also what causes contractions during labor. You may have heard of it called putocin. That's an induction medication for labor. Oxytocin is actually the medication for that as well. I'll have to report back next time on the podcast that you're on and tell you how it went. Increase blood flow to your clitoris area. Yeah, that's actually from the Cialis, but there's not a ton of great data on it. Most of the data on Cialis is actually in men. Yeah. We've actually, we talked to Shameless a little bit about this, but we were actually at Colette Dallas that y'all were at, and there's two young girls. Single females. Like when I say young, they were like in their late 20s, young to me. But they both had taken Viagra or Cialis or something, and they were like scorpions. over the men's head. And they were visibly shocked at themselves at how good this orgasm was. And after it was over, they were like, yeah, we took Viagra. And that was the best thing I've ever done. And me and Dan are like, huh? So we've been curious about it, which is really funny because Shameless just came out with this product. So I don't know. We'll have to. That was one of the things I knew that Dan had brought up. See, Alice and Viagra, most of the data is in males. There's not a lot of great data on, like, hypoactive sexual desire disorder, which is really kind of what the medications that are supposed to improve libido are for. But it hasn't really specifically discussed in the literature that I'm aware of, like, female sexual function as far as stuff like squirting or increased sexual sensation. That's kind of the, like, watching them, that's kind of what I gather. It didn't make them horny, but because it seemed to enlarge their areas that feel good when you touch. We know that Cialis and Viagra increase blood supply to the genitals. And it does that in males and in females. We just don't have data showing that it improves sexual functioning in females probably because it just hasn't been studied enough. But I mean, the actual female clitoris is not significantly less large when it's engorged than a male penis. It holds almost the same amount of So if you increase the blood supply to the clitoris, will it make it more sensitive, more likely to respond to vaginal stimulation? Theoretically, yeah. I just don't have enough data to prove it. But the other medication, oxytocin, yeah, that's the bonding hormone. Like I said, it's released during sex. It's released during cuddling. It's associated with maternal bonding. It's released. I'm going to be rocking some guy. You'll have to talk to Shameless. I think they said there was a few studies that they just recently did that had some, which shows some. I'm going to see the studies of the combination. Yeah. The combination actually sounds a little bit more intriguing to me than Cialis alone. Yeah. I'm excited to try it because I struggle from leaving the dance floor to entering the playroom. Like I can, I, you can, I can wander to my bed real quick. So I'm hoping that oxytocin will, uh, make me eager, get the butterflies and want to go a little bit more. So we'll see. Well, oxytocin does do that. It gives you the desire to bond. Yes. So we'll see. We'll see how this goes. Anyway. We'll follow back on that. That was just speaking. So if anybody wonders if we actually use our sponsors, we do. We love them. So that was just not a shameless plug, but kind of. Well, it was just a shameless. Anyway, she was just a doctor. She's a doctor. I wanted to talk to her about it. Sorry. No, honestly, it's a great leading because oxytocin is the hormone that's secreted during breastfeeding as well. Okay, so let's talk about you just had a baby. Yeah. How long do you have to wait before going back in the lifestyle? Is there, you know, do you have to wait till your baby's five years old? Like what's... God, no, please. Yeah. So there, again, not a lot of strict data on this. We typically don't recommend having sex until at least a couple of weeks after delivery, preferably somewhere between like four and six weeks. Obviously, the cervix dilates during and the cervix has to get back to normal before you have that kind of full healing process and you don't want to get an infection, especially gonorrhea or chlamydia in the process of healing out from a vaginal delivery or a C-section for that matter. So usually we say somewhere between like four and six weeks is an okay time to start reconvening during intercourse. If you're breastfeeding, that's not a contraindication to having sex by any means. In fact, again, Dan has pointed out the lovely little kink that a lot of men have. Women who are breastfeeding because they have an overabundance of oxygen and prolactin. Prolactin is what creates the milk. Oxytocin is what creates the bonding effect. They do tend to enjoy having sex. The biggest problem with breastfeeding is more not necessarily the breastfeeding itself, but the fact of having an infant is you're just exhausted all the time. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The sexual drive may be really low, but if you've got the drive and you want to go have sex, absolutely. Yeah. I can't imagine in that time period. Yeah. I just wanted to sleep. Number one, breast milk does have a lot of stuff in it. Medications can be in breast milk. And so like if she's taking a medication that you happen to be allergic to and you get her breast milk in your mouth. Somebody's allergic to penicillin. I'm allergic to penicillin, yeah. Yeah. So most medications get into the breast milk at least in some amount. So if you're highly allergic to penicillin, avoid playing with breast milk that could actually be. I'll chance it. He's willing to have an antibiotic. I just get a rash. This is a big kink. He's like, I haven't died yet. It's just a rash. It's not a big deal. So yeah, I know there's the consideration of that. Another thing that's actually not super uncommon is getting herpes on the nipples. And I've seen this in like, usually it's during breastfeeding. Herpes is not uncommon on the nipples. So if you've got and active herpetic lesion on your mouth, please do not be playing with somebody else's nipples, period, especially if they're breastfeeding, because then it can get transmitted to baby. Oh, my God. That's the worst thing I've heard so far. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Honestly, every single time but one that I've seen herpes on a nipple, it's been in a breastfeeding woman. There was one time I saw it without a breastfeeding woman actually called a breast oncologist and was like, have you ever seen herpes in a woman's nipple that wasn't breastfeeding? She's like, no. It's like I'm sending you this patient. We're writing this up. This is bizarre. I get it in the lifestyle. Like how many people play with like women's nipples thinking you had a fever blister. Right. Well, the thing is when you're not breastfeeding, your immune system is normal. And so the risk of catching herpes in an area that's not a mucous membrane. Oh, yeah. Technically, while you're breastfeeding, those nipples become mucous membranes because they're the milk ducts are open. So you're much more likely to catch herpes on your nipple while you're breastfeeding. Yeah, they're a little tidbit for you. The other thing is that breast milk can also pass stuff like HIV. So if you've got a patient, a person who you haven't, you're not sure they've been tested or what have you, or, you know, they say, Hey, I'm HIV positive, but I'm taking medications. Breast milk is a no-no. In fact, we don't recommend them breastfeed their babies either because they can transmit HIV through the breast milk. You might as well be having sex with no condom with these women. Two women in my life. All right. Two women in my life. It's not that bad, Lacey. You're not going to get gonorrhea or chlamydia from a nipple, typically. It's just HIV. It's just HIV. I'd rather have the others. I'd rather have none. Thank you. Keep your mouth to yourself when it comes to nipples. That's hilarious. Yeah, so those are kind of the big things to consider. But yeah, no, I mean, breast milk, because there's typically nothing dangerous with it, is actually very highly nutritious. It's got a lot of fat in it. Just consider that. Okay, so like a side note, I never breastfed ever, like not even one day. So I am completely foreign to anything. Like I, it's like, I have no idea anything about it, you know, other than babies drink breast milk. I don't know about the containers, the guards, the, I don't, I know nothing. So the whole situation is very foreign. So I'm just like, okay, I don't know. It's just a lot for me to. It's a lot. It's hot, though. I mean, for you. Yeah. For you, it's hot. Yeah. Okay. All right. Breast milk. Okay. Other than breast milk and lactation, any other considerations for post-baby swingers? I mean, the only other thing to consider, just like during pregnancy, is that your immune system is lowered while you're breastfeeding. But the thing is, anything that mom catches, she'll basically protect baby from through the breast milk. So if mom catches a cold, She protects the baby because the antibodies that she makes for her cold go through the baby to through the best milk. So if you're not breastfeeding, though, so like if you're immediately postpartum, you've chosen not to breastfeed, avoid getting sick because the baby's immune system doesn't fully develop for a long time. And if you get exposed to the flu and you bring it home and you're not breastfeeding, your child will absolutely get sick and be life threatened from that. So avoid getting catching stuff like strep throat and that sort of thing, which, you know, in swinger communities, like we talked earlier, there's, you know, people don't intentionally bring that kind of stuff along with parties to them but they may not be symptomatic on the day of the party and the next day they wake up and they're febrile like oh shoot i was you know exposed everybody yesterday to whatever this is um and because we're all in close contact and we're all up in each other's faces and genitals the risk of catching stuff in those types of situations is much higher so while you're immune suppressed during pregnancy and postpartum just be careful about getting exposed to exposed to any type of upper respiratories gi bugs that kind of stuff Good to know. Yeah. I think, I mean, when you have an infant, you're pretty, I think, more careful about getting sick and bringing, you know, bringing sickness. People are. And things like that. It seems pretty, a pretty natural mother kind of instinct. Natural mother instinct. Yeah. I think, I mean, most people I would probably recommend with a newborn in the house, you know, not to be heading out to swingers parties for maybe a couple months or keep it a very small crowd. You know, usually a way to say not to take baby out into like public arena until about six weeks old. They start getting their vaccines around that time, I think. And probably somewhere around two to three months is when it's probably okay to be taking baby or exposing baby to a lot of different types of potential pathogens. So it's preferable probably for mom not to get exposed to too much when we're early, early postpartum. Yeah, that makes sense to me. But sometimes a mom needs a night out. I'm not going to say no to that. Why is that funny? I don't know. It's just funny. Sometimes a mom needs a night out. Honestly, like my husband and I, when our kids were really little, we still took date night. We'd leave the baby with a babysitter. I would take my stuff to pump with me and we would go out and, you know, like have dinner at a restaurant. Yeah. No, I think. Basterman pump in between. Yeah. I mean, like I could totally see like going to a swingers club, like even if you're not wanting to have sex, just to like get like, I mean, like Traffy's Atlanta, they have dinner, like go and have dinner and then dance and like hang out with your friends and feel like a normal human. It may not have anything to do with sex. but just to be around those people and laugh and just like I don't know be a normal person that's not how it doesn't have something attached to them just for a night seems like wonderful and probably would do a mama a lot of good and dad and dad but I will tell you there is some good data on on moms taking care of themselves and having time away from you know away from baby even for just a few hours is like really really good for your psyche as a new mom you know obviously you have to be able to leave baby with somebody that you really trust and you know that they can take care of peanut but you know if you've got somebody that you know can watch your child for just even a few hours just to get away go shopping go to the grocery store it's there's some good swing by the swingers club maybe not well i don't know go to swingers club yeah go to the go to strip club do something fun that's what you want to do well but i mean to your point though i mean we laugh at that because it sounds funny but like what you're saying well catching covid can be just as dangerous as is some of these other things so like going to the grocery store theoretically is putting your baby just as much of risk is is going to a swingers club is so like I will tell you the fact that there's this stigma against one and not the other is kind of the point here right much rather a patient have chlamydia during the third trimester than the flu yeah influenza is ridiculously dangerous during pregnancy I mean everybody should be getting their flu shots when they're pregnant one of the worst cases I had during residency was a patient who caught bird flu during late trimester she was in the ICU for five weeks doesn't remember delivering her child delivered her like in the ICU bed. I mean, like she was on death's doorstep and she has no recollection whatsoever of their last trimester of her pregnancy. She survived, baby survived, but she was sick. Well, I think that's kind of the point of it, you know, like, cause we've seen our friends and some of our friends have gotten, you know, criticism on social media and stuff like that. And I don't, I don't really feel like it's justified. I think we all are adults and we're all reasonable. And a lot of the swingers we know, I mean, hell half of them are fucking nurses and stuff. They know all about this stuff. Right. And so they've obviously thought about, this stuff and are taking the appropriate steps for themselves and their baby to make the situation the best they can but but what of course you don't want to put baby at unnecessarily risk of course you don't but just like you said hibernate right you can't live risk-free right and in in some cases going to a grocery store is this is dangerous is going to a swingers party is and so you would never nobody on the internet would ever attack a mom for going to the grocery store when they have a newborn at home or are pregnant or in their third trimester or whatever. Nobody's attacking parents for doing that. And it's a pretty routine thing that probably most parents do during those time frames. But if you even mention going to a swingers club during that time frame, people want to tear you apart. I mean, they want to make you feel like you're taken away. Yeah. And so I think, I mean, that's kind of the point of this conversation. It's going to continue to be a stigma until people like us, you know, make it not a stigma anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's kind of why I wanted to have this conversation so that people realize. I mean, yes, there's 100% steps you should be taking. If you're pregnant, you should be getting STI tested. Maybe you shouldn't be going to random orgies with a bunch of people that you don't know. You know, like you might take those risks if it was just you. But now that you're pregnant or maybe have a newborn at home, maybe you tighten your circle a little bit and are a little bit more careful because you're taking care of your baby. I think that's completely reasonable. But still, you know, getting outside of the home and participating, you know, getting out with your friends, you know, taking care of that. postpartum stuff. I mean, that's just as important. Taking care of your own mental health is just as important as taking care of a baby in a lot of times. And when, like you're saying, when some of the sicknesses you can get from going to school or going to the grocery store or going to work are just as dangerous and bad for the baby as some of these other diseases you can get when you're engaging in sex with people, I think we can all, you can draw a reasonable line for anything, I think, at that point. I think people just don't realize that. They want to harp on one thing but not even think about the other. But I think you could argue this into your blue in the face. If you don't believe in this lifestyle or you don't think, you know, if you think it's morally wrong, that's really what it's all about. So there's nothing we can do. But just live our lives for ourselves and, you know, just make the best decisions for us and our families and screw everybody else. And love people regardless of what their decisions are. Yeah. Well, me personally, I'm hoping to see more pregnant people at the swingers clubs. If you want to know my opinion. Did we know he had the secret? Oh, yeah. I'm hoping more. Oh, yeah. This was very known. I'm hoping more pregnant women hear this podcast and are like, you know what? I want to go to a swingerside event. That's what I'm hoping. And screw the internet for what they might think about that statement. I mean, we've got to come up with some sort of Halloween costume or something for you. Like, you need to be like a milk bank or like a giant baby so you can suck the titties or something. We got to come up with something. But anyway, good conversation. All right. Anything else you want to touch on about pregnancy and the lifestyle and all those? I think that's most of all I can think of. All those milky mamas out there. Oh, my God. If you guys have any questions, those people that are listening specifically related to this, though, shoot it over to Dan and Lacey. They'll ask me or you can catch me on Discord. Yeah. Yeah. So Dr. Thor is on our Discord server. So if you don't know, We have a Discord server. 50,000 swingers are on there at any given time. And you can find that on theswingnation.info. The link to that Discord is completely free. We do different town halls and we have meetings and there's rooms for everything. And Dr. Soar has her own room on there where you can say, Dr. Soar, I have a question for you. Can I DM you? All you have to do is say, hey, can I ask you a question? And I usually will say, yeah, absolutely. And you send me a direct message. And I get to those fairly often, at least once a week or so. Yeah, you seem pretty responsive. Every time I've seen somebody ask you, you've always responded pretty consistently. Oh, guys, I left my own practice. I have my own practice now. Oh, congratulations. Yeah, so that's like three weeks old. So if somebody's wanting to come see me, it's now the Stower Center. That's awesome. So it's thestowercenter.com. You'll have to look and see how to spell my last name to get that one correct. But it's in the podcast notes. You'll find how to spell my last name. Yes, that's awesome. And what part of the country are you in? Are you in so they can kind of know? I'm in Dallas area. Just north of Dallas. Which I am totally jealous of all the people that live in that area because I would find the way to make her my doctor. I don't know. I feel like we have some sort of something now. But I would be like, you have to see me. I'm coming. I'm so jealous because I think she's an amazing doctor. And then you also have a website, swingingsafe.com, right? Swingingsafe.com. Yep, absolutely. You can always look up all sorts of information. there. We decided to open it up and not charge anything. That entire website and all the information on it is completely free. Awesome. She's got just about everything. If you've got an OBGYN doctor-related question about swinging, she probably has a YouTube or a blog post or something that you can read. If she doesn't, email us at theswingnation.net. If she doesn't, email us and we can talk about it on this podcast. We'll talk about it. Anything else for the Swing Nation listeners? Love you guys. Love you. Love you too. Thank you. I think with that, in a world full of apples. Be the pineapple. Be the pineapple, guys. Bye. Bye. If you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us, we have a five-star review wherever you're listening. If you want to see more of our content, you can find links to Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram, OnlyFans, and more in the show notes. 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