Swinging Isn’t What You Think: Busting the Biggest Lifestyle Myths

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Speaker1: This podcast is intended for adult audiences. Over the age of 18, it contains adult language and situations. The views, thoughts, and opinions expressed in this podcast belong solely to us, and not of any employer, organization, committee, or other group or individuals. This podcast is not intended to be taken as professional advice. Welcome to the Swing Nation Podcast, a podcast by swingers for swingers, where we look to educate others and push back on the negative stigmas and misconceptions associated with our lifestyle. Come with us and share our pineapple journey as we travel the globe. Interview the experts, learn and grow together. Join the nation. So Lacey, people are asking, how do they get to go to a party or an event with us? They check out swingersociety.net, you create a profile, you sign up for an event, and you come hang out with us. Super easy. That's right. If you want to party with us and the other faces and names that you know from social media and TikTok, head on over to swingersociety.net. Can't wait to see you there. Hey there, pineapple people, and welcome to the Swing Nation podcast. We are your hosts, Northern Guy. And Southern Girl. And we are back with another full-length episode of the Swing Nation podcast. Yeah. With Dana Wasey. It's not Tuesday Talk, babe. I know. I just want to get it in there. Okay. Because I know how much you love that. Yeah. I know how much it means to you, so I just want to make sure I get it in as many episodes as possible. Thank you. because it shows my love and dedication to my beautiful wife. We see. Yeah. All right. People are going to think I hate you. You do. I do not. I love you. Some days you hate me. No. But it's okay. I think that's marriage, right? I think that's what they call marriage. No, I don't think that's what they call it. Oh, okay. Maybe it's just our marriage. No, I don't hate you. Don't tell people that. Are you crazy? I love you so much. Blink twice if you need help. All right. So this week's episode, we are going to be talking about the myths of the lifestyle versus the realities, right? I think there are a lot of misconceptions out there about what swinging is, what the expectations are. If you go to an event, what's going to be expected of you. There are a lot of rumors out there. And I think it's important to set the record straight. It's kind of the whole mission of our platform. And I don't think we've ever done like a straight-up myths podcast episode before. Have we? I don't know. If we did, it was a while ago. Because I don't remember. We have so many episodes. Yeah, it's over 200 now. Yeah, and I don't have any clue what all we've done. Okay. But it's fine. Either way, I'm sure our opinions have changed and evolved. So, you know, even if we've done it, let's do it again. Let's do it again. Yeah. All right. So, let's get into it. So, the first thing I want to talk about is what, before you got in the lifestyle, What did you think? So if you can think back in your brain, right? Pre-swinger lacing. Yeah. Which would have been what? Like 10 years ago or something. Yeah, or a little bit more. Yeah. I actually had pretty strong opinions about the lifestyle because I, let's just say I knew somebody. Ooh. Let's just say that. That her and her husband were in the lifestyle. Or were, I didn't know the lifestyle. I just knew swingers. Right. And they were kind of wild. And it was always something going on. Like, they played without each other, which I didn't. I thought that that was just, like, a swingier thing. I didn't realize that there was, like, boundaries and stuff like that in place, you know, for that if that's not something you're into. So I thought they were just, like, sex fiend people that probably didn't even like each other, if I'm being honest. I felt like maybe, you know, because they had, like, teenagers at the time. And I'm like, they don't want to get divorced. Right. doing this, probably because they're best friends. You know, they probably care about each other, but they don't want to get divorced. And so that was really my opinion on it. But I was pretty conservative back then. Okay. Yeah. What about you? I think I probably had the same opinion that most people had, right? I didn't really like think of swinging as like, oh, there's this community of people that like are friends and hang out. Like my idea was of swinging. If you said, well, what is a swinger? I'd been like, it's people that go to sex parties and all have orgies with each other. So I probably had the very like stereotypical like key party 1970s porn mustaches like walk through the door drop your keys get to fucking like i thought that's what swingers were i thought that's what they did um and i didn't really understand it and i i guess i would assume probably like what a lot of people do assume is that um if you were going to be a swinger you just had to go to these parties and fuck everybody that was there yeah like it was like a free-for-all right yeah so those were our misconceptions um so let's get into it and address some of those myths head-on and explain what the misconception is and then what the reality is. So the first one I want to get into, and this one's pretty easy, is that everybody is hot. I don't even know if that's really a misconception that people have. I think the people I see that have that misconception the most is people that are considering joining the lifestyle, right? So maybe they're interested in swinging and they're thinking about going to a party or an event, But then they get online and they start looking at some of these flyers and they start and they think I think oh that's a bunch of that's a bunch of like supermodel type people. Yeah. And I'm just an average mom and I have stretch marks and I so these people don't want me at their party. Yeah. Which I mean shameless plug a few years ago probably like three years ago we implemented where we try to make our flyers look like everybody. Some of them are a white, skinny, perfectly tanned, perfect body. Yes, there are some of those. But we try to show different colors and different sizes and not just female because a lot of swinger flyers are only girls. So we've tried to help with that. But yes, you're right. If you go to almost any swinger website and they have a flyer for an event, it's usually like a very skinny white girl or a couple of them. Yeah, it looks like a Baywatch poster. Yeah, yeah, like a supermodel. I mean, and some of the images are not like real, they're just AI, like they're not even real people. Yeah, yeah, I think people do think that, but if you really stop and think about it, it's just normal people, you know, like it's not, there's just not that many hot people like that in the world, you know, it's just. Right, yeah, it's probably, you know, if you're talking about like, Like you're saying, these images that are on some of these flyers, those are like supermodel-looking people, right? And honestly, there's like – you would be lucky if you had one person there that fit that description. Well, depending on the event. Sometimes there's more. But yeah, you're right. Less than 1% probably, right? Yeah, for sure. So less than 1% of the people that attend these parties probably actually look like the pictures of the people that are on most of these flyers. And like you said, we have adopted on the Swinger Society side where we're trying to include more body positivity. more diversity to really try to hit home that, hey, look, these flyers, you're seeing all kinds of people because I think that reflects better of actually who shows up to the event. On the Electric Pleasure side, which is the brand we just launched, it's more of a music festival, alternative lifestyle friendly brand. We've done away with pictures of people altogether. It's just art. It's artwork. It's some kind of cartoon type image of animals and things like that. It's real more music festival vibe type stuff, not really. swinger type stuff. And so, you know, hopefully on neither brand are we helping to feed this misconception. But yes, as far as who actually shows up, it's all body types. I mean, these people are moms. These people are grandmothers. These people, you know, are of all ages, in all sizes, in all races and diversity. And I think that's another, this isn't on my list, but we can kind of talk about it a little bit here. I think people do have a misconception about the diversity thing as well. A lot of people will say oh it's just all upper middle class or rich white people that attend these parties and I think that is true depending on where you are. If you go to Trapeze Atlanta there's a pretty diverse crowd that shows up to Trapeze Atlanta. It's probably fairly representative of the Atlanta population. If you go down to Miami and Miami Velvet it's actually heavily Latina people that come up. Because that represents the community. Yeah. So I think depending on... If you go to Kentucky, it's mainly Caucasian white people. Right. So I think, you know, and I think we could probably do a better job of being more diverse. But I do think most clubs and stuff around the country are a pretty good representation of the area of the country that you're in and the population of that area. Yeah. You know, it might still lean a little bit more... of people across the board in different countries, different. It's pretty unique and pretty awesome if you ask me. Yeah. And I think, you know, we've talked about this a lot too. My favorite part about that diversity is nobody talks about politics. Yeah. Nobody talks about income. Nobody talks about what jobs you have. So it's really when you go to lifestyle parties, events and lifestyle, you know, swinger spaces, you really get to know people. on a person-to-person level where everybody starts on an even playing field. And then you kind of just build your relationships off that. Where I feel like prior to being in the lifestyle and going to work parties or going to social events and stuff like that, most people led with the politics. What do you do for a living? What do you do for a living? And, oh, did you see what happened last week on the news? And, oh, yeah, fuck that guy. That's how all the conversations start. And because of that, it's like you're forced to pick a side or be in a box. If you're not in the same box as the people you're talking to, you're not welcome in those circles. Where I think in the swingers lifestyle, most people do a very good job at trying to avoid the religion, politics, money type conversations and just get to know people for kind of who they are as a person other than what their politics and social status is. Yeah. No, I agree. Okay. So the second. I feel like that was a tangent. It was a little bit of a tangent. Yeah. But I think the point. I mean, we only have like five of these. So we kind of have to. We have to talk about them a little bit in depth. No, no. I guess I meant like because it was more of like what everybody looks like. Yeah. We started with the body thing. But I think it is overly encompassing. I think it is, you know, what body type you are. But also, you know, people talk about diversity and then. Yeah. No, I'm not giving you shit, baby. I love you. You did so good. Thank you. All right. So misconception. Number two, swinging will ruin your marriage. I think a lot of people think that. Or, you know, when you talked about what you thought about swinging prior to joining the lifestyle, you know, part of what you said is, well, I think people are probably doing this because they're not happy in their marriage. So maybe I think it's a combination of if you do this, it's going to ruin your marriage. And then the second part is, oh, if you are doing it, it must be because there's some type of problem, right? Even, you know, on your TikTok posts, we're, you know, we just had a video go viral, which brings out all the trolls. And you see all kinds of, oh, well, you know, way to tell me your husband's not satisfying you without telling me your husband's not satisfying. You know, there's some idea that if you're in this lifestyle, it's because there's something lacking at home. Yeah. No, I totally agree. And listen, have we seen friends' marriage end while they were swingers? Yes, absolutely. The truth is their marriages had problems before the swingers. And swinging, in my opinion, will just put a magnified glass on whatever issues you may have. And so I feel like if your marriage is already kind of headed down maybe a dark path and then you join the last, I feel like it's just going to make that whole process speed up and probably crash and burn, where if you weren't swinging, you might could separate a little bit easier than if you're fucking your friends. And so that kind of adds a wrench into it. But I know of lots of happy, successful couples that do swing. And it's not one or the other. No, I couldn't agree more. I think, you know, swinging does have a bad reputation because you hear the most about if somebody joins this lifestyle and it blows up their relationship, those stories tend to get out and get around, right? Especially because when they were happily married, and in the swingers lifestyle, they probably didn't tell anybody that they were swingers, right? But if their relationship got blown up because of swinging, I bet they then told everybody, well, yeah, he was fucking other people and we tried being swingers and oh, it went terrible and it ruined our whole marriage. So I think if it's successful, you probably don't tell anybody about what you're doing. Whereas if it blows up your relationship, that probably gets more attention and it gets more public. I do agree with you that if you are struggling with your relationship, If you have a lack of intimacy at home, if you don't feel super connected to your spouse or partner, do not try this. Which we get a lot of messages like that. Like, my wife's not interested in sex. You think if I talk to her about enjoying the lifestyle, this will help her. And I'm like, no. If she's not interested in sex, she's not going to be wanting to do orgies. That's going to be an issue. Or if you're having trouble communicating or whatever, it's kind of like having a baby. You don't have a baby to fix a marriage. You don't join the lifestyle to fix your marriage. You're probably just going to speed up the divorce process if you do that. So I think before you even entertain the idea, all of those things need to be kind of worked through before you even really talk about it as a couple. Yeah. And another thing I will say, I have seen, and maybe this is just anecdotical, but I have seen more happy people that have been married 20-plus years in the lifestyle than I can think of people that I know are really happy outside of the lifestyle that have been married for long periods of time. I think of the couples that we run into on Bliss Cruise. I think of the couples that we run into at Hedo, and they're in their 70s or sometimes even in their 80s, and they're out on the dance floor, and they're dancing, and they're laughing and they're touching each other. Sometimes they're having sex in various places and stuff. And then I think back to my grandparents who were great people, but they didn't seem nowhere near. They seemed pretty sick of each other in a lot of ways. You know what I mean? Which I'm sure they loved each other and all that too. But what I'm trying to say is I've seen a lot of really happy long-term relationships in the lifestyle. And it seems like... they find like a new spark especially if they join the lifestyle like later in life like after their kids are gone and then you know they're empty nesters and they're looking for something to do and then they they join it's almost like they reignite that spark and i think that's wonderful and that's something that i mean obviously we we've been swinging since the day we met so that's kind of hard for us but i do look forward to being like that older couple in the lifestyle and in people looking at us that way no i It's, you know, me and you have pointed those types of couples out to each other several times. And it really is, like, awe-inspiring to see somebody that's been clearly together for that long and see them so in love. And I think it's what you said. I think it's because they don't ever stop adventuring. You know, like, their life is, you know, is an adventure. And, you know, they're in their 60s and 70s and 80s, but they're still going on cruises and going on vacations and, you know, having sexy fun and making time for each other. And I feel like the lifestyle is a great escape from the real world. And it's just such a happy place where it's, you know, full of pleasure and fun. And I think, you know, if you can bottle that up and like, if you could bottle that energy up and like sell it to people, I think it would be, you know, if you put it in a pill and like put it online, like we would make billions of dollars. But I can't do that. But what I can tell you to do is like, come experience it for yourself. I think you'll feel it too. Most people do. And honestly, it's not even about having sex with other couples. In my opinion, it's more about being in a sexually open environment where you can be yourself. You're free to express yourself, whatever that looks like. And it makes you prioritize relations with your spouse. And maybe you get to have sex in the middle of the ocean where you probably would have never done that before. So I think even if you're not actively engaged, with other couples. I think just being in and around the lifestyle is a positive experience. Yeah. And I'm sure vanilla people could do a similar thing just without the sex part. Yeah. I'm sure if you were in your 60s and 70s and you're going on vacations together with your partner. Yeah, but you can't fuck on a pool table in the middle of Hedo. You're missing that intimacy part. Something about just being free and being open and some of these places giving you the means to do that. That, you know, it just, I don't know, it's very rewarding. Yeah. On one of these podcasts, we were talking to one of these relationship coach type people. And they were saying, you know, one of the problems with monogamous relationships is, you know, when you move in together and you're married for a long time, you start feeling like brother and sister. And human beings are like biologically wired to not have intimacy with people that are that close to them. So it's almost like you have to fight that, that urge to feel like family. You have to keep outside of that. You have to find some way to keep your relationship energy feel new and sexy and not feel like brother and sister. I even think my previous relationship, I was in it for 13 years. I think we got to that point where we felt like, you hear this all the time, we felt like roommates, we felt like brother and sister. I can get that. I think this lifestyle is a good way to just mix it up and randomly hit that reset button so that you don't get into that You don't get stuck in this like, oh, we're just roommates now. You're always adventuring together. You're always having new experiences. You're always seeking new things and new levels of pleasure. And so I do think it keeps you out of getting stuck in that bubble. I think so, too. Okay. Next myth. This is number three. There are no emotions associated with swinging. This is probably a hot-button topic. Well, if you would have asked us when we first started this podcast, y'all can go back and listen to it. When people tell us, oh, we're starting from the beginning, I'm like, oh, God. You know, because when we first started, we would say there was no emotions involved. We actually used to say that we were physically non-monogamous, but emotionally monogamous. I still feel that we are. I think we meant that, like you just said, I still feel like we are. I think we meant that in we still feel that way in some ways right I do because I'm like as far as like a life partner I am monogamous to you I don't like I'm not like yes I have emotions for other people because I care about them as just like I would care as for like a best friend or an acquaintance but like I'm not trying to like start a life and create a life and do all the things so to me I am more emotionally monogamous with you yes Right. And I do think that's I think that's a way to simplify what's actually happening. Yeah. Right. Because the truth is you have an emotional connection with all of your friends, whether you're having sex with them or not. Right. If you have friends, you care about them. Right. That's a normal human being thing. Right. You don't have to be a swinger. You don't have to be fucking your friends to know that I care about my friends. And I think with swinging, the weird thing is I think the long term friends that you have, you have that emotional friendship connection with them. But there is some type of intimacy connection with them as well. But you're just not taking it to the point of being... But I mean, like, I don't feel like I have, like, intimate emotions. Like, do I enjoy getting dicked down by a big dick guy? Yeah, I do. But, like, I'm not, like, we're not having intimate romantic... Right. And it shows you, like, we've been doing this for 10 fucking years. Yeah. I don't think we fully understand how all this is. the dynamics interplay. I care about you. I don't want anything to happen to you. I don't want anything to happen to your dog, your children, your job. I want all good things for you. But I think for me, the best way to think about it is at the end of the day, it's about you and I. So yes, I want all of our friends to be happy and love and all the great things. But at the end of the day, my responsibility is to you and to me. And that's all that matters. I can still care about my friends. That's what the main thing is here. I'm reading my notes here. And one of this thing says is, you know, emotions are normal and unavoidable. Right. I think we all agree with that. And then it says emotional intelligence actually matters more than emotional suppression. Well, I think you have to be like smart enough to almost know what kind of box to put them in. And even if we can't describe like what that feels like or what that looks like. I get that question a lot online. People are like, how do you not fall? How do you not catch feelings for people? Well, one of our boundaries is we communicate through, like, group messaging, which, for me, I feel like if I was having side conversations with somebody, to me, that's where those, like, where that intimacy, that those type of things can happen. When we're on a group text message, I'm not going to fall in love with you when my husband's also reading the text. Like, that's, like, to me, there's, like, a certain level of emotional intelligence that I just don't put myself in that position to even go down that path. Right. Part of what this says is there's a difference between emotions and emotional attachment. And I think that that kind of is a good way of saying it. Right. Of course, you have emotions, you know, when you're dealing with your friends, but you aren't emotionally attached to them. Right. My emotional attachment is with you and your feelings, needs, desires always come first. Right. Of course, we have emotional attachment. to our friends, just like we have emotional attachments to our family, right? But at the bottom line, you know, my wife and my kids are really my first priority. And in the lifestyle, it's kind of a similar thing, right? Like, yes, I care about my mom and my cousins and my neighbors and all that stuff. But at the end of the day, I care about my wife and I care about my kids. And that's the first, you know, if somebody needs money, if somebody needs somebody to come take care of them, if somebody, you know, like, those are the people that you're going to prioritize. And in this lifestyle, it's a very similar thing where you have to have clear rules and boundaries and understand that unless you're going to be polyamorous or something like that, if you're just truly a non-monogamous swinger, that you have to understand that your primary relationship with your wife matters more than anything else. Because the truth is, emotions are going to happen. Okay, so let me just say this. So if you are somebody that is worried about that, like if you don't want emotions in it, you can do it without emotions, right? you could hook up with somebody and then it'd be a one-time thing you don't exchange phone numbers you don't get to know them you know like it's there's truly no like connection it's just so so like it can be done yes we found that the more we get to know people the better time we have as far as just like vanilla fun the better time we have just hanging out with them also the sex is better the more you get to know people you know just like the first time you have sex with somebody it's It's never like mind-blowing sex. Once you get to know them and they know what buttons to press and all the things to do, I feel like it makes for a better experience. So I think no emotions can be done. But we found for us, having a little emotion there just makes a better experience. No, I agree. And I think if you are a single, you know, even if you're not a swinger, you probably kind of know. If you were dating, right, you have like a random hookup. that can be fun and that's great but at some point you're like this is a lot of work and sometimes the guys don't show up or they show up and they don't look like they're pictures and it's just not that great right so even if you have a good fuck buddy as a single that's usually better than the random hookup yeah not always but usually a good fuck buddy is better than a random hookup yeah the lifestyle is very like we have a lot of good fuck buddies and we have emotional attachments some level of emotional attachments with somebody but our emotional connection with our partner. Yeah. We don't add a ton of new people. And I think the podcast and the level that everything has gotten to is sort of the reason why. I think because we enjoy getting to know people, really seeing. But there's also a level of trust because somebody could like, you could fuck some girl and she could go off and tell people that you are whispering, you know, I want to leave Lacey. You know, like there's a level of trust there. And I think just like hooking up with random people for us, it just doesn't make sense. Now, I would be a hypocrite if I didn't sit here and say, never say never. You know, like we have been known to occasionally throw in a wild card. And listen, that is fucking fun. And I'm not about to stop doing that. But I would say nine times out of 10, it's usually, we're usually. We want to build some kind of connection, some kind of like, I think like you're saying, it's more of the trust than it really is the connection. Although we need to feel We all have to have vibe with you and feel safe and comfortable with you. But yeah, I think, you know, and really if you think about it, right, if I was like, Lacey, would you like to have emotionless sex? Does that sound good? You actually do this to me sometimes when you're mad where I'm like, I want to fuck. And you're like, I don't want to really fuck. And I'm like, well, baby, please fuck me. And you're like, okay. And you'll just like lay there and try not to like, try not to like. Don't tell people my thing. Listen, they know, they've experienced this. Lacey will try just to not like. I'll try really hard not to come. I just like play dead almost. Shut up. I'm not playing dead. It's like we're in a five but we're still fucking. And I'm like don't come Lacey. Don't come. Don't give him the satisfaction. And sometimes I know you're doing it so I'm like try harder. Is that bad? It's a little toxic or whatever. But you know what I'm saying. We're not the only couple out. You do that because you know I don't like that. Yeah. When you aren't involved in the sex and when you aren't giving me positive feedback it ruins it for me. Yeah. So it's the same thing. I think I don't want to fuck nobody. that's just emotionalist and just lays there and takes it. You know what I mean? So you need some type of back and forth. You need some type of connection, I think, to have a good experience. I think you just, the key to all this is knowing where to draw the line. Yeah, I think you can have emotions in the lifestyle, but you have to prioritize the main thing, which is the couple. All right, clear rules and boundaries and know where, when to draw the line. And then if for some reason those emotions start to get out of control, you need to know when to cut it off. Okay. And now is the perfect time to take a little break and hear from the partners and sponsors of the Swing Nation podcast. And then when we get back, we'll get into a few more of the misconceptions out there. Yeah. All right. I'll be right back, guys. Lacey, one thing I don't leave home without when going to a swinger event is my ED medication. That is correct. Performance anxiety is 100%. a real thing. Having sex in an orgy room with 100 people in there is way different than having sex at home in your bedroom. It is. So I like to have what we call a little insurance policy and have some of that ED medication in my pocket. Shameless Care is who I use for that. And they actually just came out with a new product called the Shameless Duo. Yeah. Which is a combination medicine that has Viagra and Cialis in it. So that one, you can be ready, So you're not going to get all of this ED medication that you have in your nightstand built up. When it's time that you need more, you'll get an email from them and they'll ask you, hey, are you ready for another round? And you can respond back. Yes, please refill it or no, I'm good right now. Thank you. So it's really cool because you don't end up with all these extra pills and spend a bunch of money that you're not, you know, you don't need to spend. Yeah, and my favorite part is you don't actually have to go into an office and talk to your family doctor or a military doctor. You can do it all right online from the privacy of your home. You just go to the website, you fill out some forms, the doctor reviews it, approves you, disapproves you, and you move on from there. So if you would like to get some medication, you can go to theswingnation.info, click on the little recommended apps and products, scroll down to the shameless care icon, click on that, and that's going to take you over there. There's some discount codes there for you, so you can get a discount off your first order. But I highly recommend if you're going to some events or parties, go get you some lifestyle insurance. All right, guys. Check it out. Lacey, if you're going to be a swinger, you need to be a responsible swinger. I agree. And part of being a responsible swinger is getting tested on a regular basis. Yeah. Now, something I didn't know is not all STI, STD testing. That is correct. Not every family doctor fully understands how you should be getting tested. That is correct. What one doctor thinks is a full panel, another doctor may have a completely different version of that. And being somebody in the lifestyle and engaging with multiple partners, what you should be getting tested for is probably, if you're not telling your doctor that, what you should be getting tested for is probably different than what they're thinking in their head. Yeah, because they don't know your lifestyle. Or even if they do know your lifestyle. There's a like, for instance, there is a new one called MGen. And we just recently met a doctor at a lifestyle party and said that she had never even heard about it. And so she was awesome that we had educated her on that. So a lot of these doctors don't, they don't know it all. Right. So if you are going to participate in the lifestyle, you probably need to get tested from people that are meant to do this. Yes. So we use I Know My Status. It's the same people behind talent testing. It's a company that tests all the porn stars. So they're used to testing people that engage with multiple partners. They know all the latest on what STIs are coming up and spreading. They track all the stats. They know how to test people for STIs. They're the experts. They are. And if someone that you engage with, they have used I Know My Status, they can actually give you a QR code and you can scan it. and you can see their results right on your phone. So you can confirm everything that they're telling you. Yeah, 100%. So please, if you're getting tested, get tested the right way. We recommend using I Know My Status. You can go to theswingnation.info, recommended apps and products. Scroll down to the I Know My Status icon and you can get a discount off your first test. But please, if you're being, if you're swinging, if you're engaging with people in the community, please be safe about it. Go get tested. Yeah, because we want you to fuck like a porn star. For sure. Dan, so when we're doing the podcast, a lot of times we'll tell the listeners we are filming our content for OnlyFans, right? So how do they find that content if they want to see like the videos that go along with the stories? Yeah, so that's a great question. So you are correct. We do film for OnlyFans. You know, when we're going to clubs and events, we talk about sometimes, oh, we did OnlyFans with so-and-so. So if they're interested in that, they can go to theswingnation.info and they'll see right there on the front page a link to your OnlyFans. We are running promos. We are. And it could be anywhere from 50% to 80% off right now. Yeah. So I think right now it's 80% off. Wow. So you'd have to go grab that right away. 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And to be fair, I think some people have been disappointed when they come to our parties and events. Yeah. And that's not what happened. They're like, I paid all this money to come to your party and I didn't even get laid. And it's like, well, that's not on us. Yeah. You have to make those connections. Yeah. There's not an you right when you walk in the door um to be honest and like also we get if we come do we have to hook up with anybody like no and if anybody tries to make you like if you ever go anywhere and they say that you have like run that's a super red flag um but yeah no i mean we've been to plenty of parties and just hooked up with each other um it's there what would you say the percentage of people that actually hook up at a party is i would guess and i have no Oh, this is just me looking at parties and taking a wild guess. I would say around half of the people or maybe even less have sex at an event. I would say it's half or less of the people that go have sex at the event. I would say I bet 75% to 80% of the people that are there want to have sex with somebody. And then there's probably 25% that are just there for the energy and the vibe. So that other 25% struck out and then 50% of the people actually end up hooking up. I'd be surprised if it's lower than 50% of the people actually hook up. Now, I think it's longer if you look at like a Secrets. Yeah, I would say I think like Secrets, there's probably more because you get to know each other over a couple of days. Yeah, if I think of like Bliss Cruise and Secrets or Hedo, especially because we have a small group and we basically know who ends up having sex by the end of the week, it's probably more like 90, 95% at like a Secrets or a Hedo. But it's because you have two or three days, right? I think the problem with going to a sex club or swingers club one night is you have a matter of hours to meet somebody connect with them and then go play especially you know some of the swinger clubs when they're busy on a Saturday even if you wanted to have sex with somebody sometimes all the rooms are full and stuff like that so I think it's a lower number at those and then when you go to the bigger longer events because you have more time to connect with people I think more people end up having success over over a week which I guess if you're somebody that has gone to a few swinger parties and Struck out, maybe look at, you know, like, you know, going to a longer event so that you have a little more time to make those connections. We struggle if we don't know anybody in the club. If me and you were to go to a club on a random night, you know, on a Saturday night and went and didn't know anybody prior, I would say there's probably only a 20% chance that we would end up hooking with somebody. Yeah, it's really hard. It's, you know, to me, but the only way that's really going to happen is if we, like, just go to the playroom and kind of, like, get in the middle of things. You have to, I would say a lot of people want to play. And it's pretty hard to make that transition. At least for me. I get really nervous. Like the more I like a guy, the more nervous I get. And it's hard for me to like give them the signs that I'm into. Like I struggle with that personally. Yeah. People all the time say like, well, how do you guys do it? Like give me advice. on how to connect with people. We've talked to some people that are like, oh, we've been going to parties for a year and we still have yet to hook up with somebody. And you can tell that they that is something they want. And really, when it comes down to it, at the end of the day, I think it's you have to put yourself out there. You do. Right. If you just sit in the corner and don't talk to anybody, you're never going to get laid. And even if you get on the dance floor and are dancing with people. You then have to like close that deal. Right. You have to say, hey, we're really into you guys. We'd be interested in playing. Are you guys interested? I mean, you have to get to that. And I'm telling you, everybody there, again, I bet 70% to 80% of the people there want somebody to ask them that. Very few people will actually go ahead and be the asker, right? And Lacey gets frustrated with me sometimes because I am quick to just put it out there. And Lacey's like, oh, you can't just do that. You're putting too much pressure. And it's like, baby, you know how this goes. If you don't put it out there, it's never going to happen. Well, it's like a double-edged sword. Because I am more introverted, I kind of lean on him to kind of help me do a lot of this. But at the same time, because I'm introverted, when he does it, I'm like, oh, why did you do that? You know? Or he'll, like, talk to a guy for me or kind of, like, you know, turn me to, like, dance on a guy to kind of, like, start, because he knows I'm too nervous to do it. And, like, it's like a double-edged sword. It's like, I'm like, don't do that. But then part of me is like, okay, thanks, you know? So I would say if you are a couple that, that one struggles. You may have to help each other. But I feel like I try to help you. If I know that Dan's really into somebody, I try. But again, I'm more introverted and it's a little harder for me. So I probably don't do as good a job as you do. Yeah. And I think this is a good time, this whole myth that everybody's down for everything. I think it's a good time to talk maybe a little bit about consent. Yeah. The lifestyle is huge on consent. I think you will see more consent at a swinger party than you will at a bar downtown, right? If you go to, you know, if we went to Nashville and downtown Broadway, there are dudes slapping girls' asses and, you know, doing all kinds of stupid shit. Trying to cut through a club, trying to get out. There's things grabbed. Yes, 100%. I love the lifestyle because of that. And not to say that those things do not happen. I actually just, I saw a Facebook post just today where somebody was saying that this happened to them at a club. Actually, a club I really enjoy and like, and so it's unfortunate that it happened. But that kind of can happen. Now, I will say when it does happen in a swinger environment, people are very quick to correct it on the spot. Because not everybody there knows that, right? It might have been that person's first time at a swinger club and they did that. But the thing about it is, is that if that happens to you and you tell somebody at a swinger club, they take that extremely serious and that person is usually gone ASAP. If you communicate it to the right people, at least. But yeah, you're right. I mean, always asking for permission before touching and all of that. that is very important. Yeah. And I think, you know, the second most important thing to asking for consent is learning to use your voice to say no. Yeah. Which is something I've had to learn. I've talked about this on the podcast quite a few times before really joining the law. So I'd never been in intimate moments with people that I didn't want to have sex with. You know, I wasn't half naked with a guy unless I was actively wanting to fuck them. So, joining the lifestyle and people asking, it took me a while to be like, no, no, you know, now I don't mind it and I will tell you no or no thank you. And I try to be respectful because I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but it's something that you have to learn and you have to understand that if you don't tell them no and then they, and you kind of let them believe that you're okay with it and then you just, that's not that person's fault. Yeah, we've even seen the opposite. And this is like an unfortunate thing that happens in the lifestyle that somebody will ask and somebody will say yes. Then afterwards, it'll be like, I didn't want to do that. It's like, well, then why did you, like, you have to learn to use your voice. You have to, if it's a no, then say no. You know what I mean? Which is hard. It's hard for me to, like, hurt somebody's feelings. But it's, my body is more important at the end of the day than somebody getting their feelings hurt. And then what about the flip side of that? handling the rejection if somebody tells you no. Or if you ask a couple, hey, would you guys be interested in going and playing? And they say, oh, actually, I think we're good tonight. Or, you know. The best story. People always make up excuses. They're like, oh, I don't think we're going to play tonight. And then you see them later on getting dicked down in the playroom. My best story is in Naughty in New Orleans. There was this guy. And he came up to me and said, can I kiss you? And I had literally just walked in. Like, it was the first day, the first 20 minutes of the entire swimming pool. your party. And he kind of took me by surprise. And I was like, no, I think I'm okay, but thank you. I hadn't even got a drink yet. This is how quickly. And he goes, it was just a no. It's okay. It's just a no. It's okay. And then we ended up standing there talking. And one of his goals for the weekend was to put himself out there. And he knew by doing that, that he was going to get no's. And that he was going to have to learn how to handle that rejection. And it was like such a vulnerable moment in that. I almost kissed him after that just because after getting to know him and talking to him and seeing his heart. And then I was attracted to him because I kind of got to know him. It was very odd when he just randomly walked up. The funny thing about that is by putting himself out there like that, he's going to get probably a lot of notes, I would guess. But part of that process is he's going to learn how to approach people better. He's going to learn that, oh, I can't just go up to a girl and say, do you want to kiss me? I have to go up to him and talk to him. a little bit and say, I think you're beautiful. Oh, I really like your shirt. Or, oh, your nails are beautiful. Or where'd you get those shoes? You know, whatever. And chat with somebody for a little bit and then say, hey, you're really beautiful. I'd like to kiss you. Is that okay? Like, had he done that, he might have, you know, there might have been a good chance that he did get a kiss. So I think, you know, part of us, we're so afraid to put ourselves out there, but that's how you learn, right? One, that's how you get to get a yes eventually. But two, that's also how you kind of learn how to play the game a little bit. Yeah. And to be honest with you, nobody likes to be told no. Or nobody likes when somebody says, like you said, like they kind of like ghost you and then you see them later on fucking somebody. And nobody loves that. It doesn't feel good. You know, let's be real. It just, it's not like the warm, fuzzy feelings. But you almost have to like, just like we talked, maybe take a little bit of the emotions out of it. Like we, you know, we talked about in the last part. But yeah, I think it's okay. I think it's also okay to be honest with people. Yeah. If somebody asks you to play and you're just genuinely not interested, it's usually better to be honest. And listen, I need to take my own damn advice here because I've struggled with this too. Because what happens the next night, then they're going to try to play again and then you have to like try to avoid them or try to dodge them again. And it's just easier for everyone if you could just look at them and be like, I think you're awesome people and I think women Make great friends. I'm just not feeling the sexual connection. Yeah, and that's okay. Not feeling the sexual energy. And then it's done, you know, and it's done. I also think it's okay to be in orgies with people that you, like, you don't want to fuck. And listen to me before you, like, clutch your pearls. You don't have to fuck them. Like, if there's 10 people in an orgy and you only want to have sex with three of them, just have sex with three of them. Like, when the person comes to want to engage with you, you can say no thank you. Like, it's okay. We get that a lot where it's time to go play and somebody's like, well, I don't want, who's all going? I don't want that. You know, and I'm like, I'm not doing this. I'm not going to not invite somebody because you don't know how to use your words. You know, if you're not comfortable playing with somebody, then you just tell them that. But we're not going to like leave people out because you feel a certain way or. Well, that's also part of it though, right? You also realize that if you're going into an orgy, that doesn't mean you can have sex with anybody in that room. you still have to individually go up to everybody as you're engaging with them and ask if it's okay yeah um and i think that is a process i think it's learning and i think people don't always understand that but uh yeah and i think it has to happen a couple of times you know someone has to tell you no and you have to be like oh my god and then the next time somebody tells you no you're like okay well that wasn't so bad and eventually you kind of learn that it's not personal but it's just kind of part of it when you put yourself out there sometimes you're gonna get yeah i can think of a few times where we've been in some of those bigger orgies and play spaces and stuff and then we get up we all get up to leave and like one of the playroom attendants or something will be like you guys did a really good job of like asking for you know we've actually got compliments from our group before from like third parties that are in the room and saying i really like the way that you guys um you know used used consent and stuff like that or used your words and me and lacy will sometimes we'll make almost like a show of it like when we go up to somebody we'll be like hey is it okay even if you kind of already know that it is just to kind of honestly You could also use it as a very hot, sexy thing, too. It doesn't have to be so, like, rigid. Like, for instance, if Dan asked another husband if he could fuck the wife, I mean, even though he's obviously you're going to ask the wife because that's, you know, whose body you're touching. But, like, to look at, like, I'm going to say John. Like, hey, John, is it okay if I fuck your wife? Like, that is sexy to hear as the wife sitting on the other side watching this. I love that. Like, it turns me on. Yeah, I think there are a few things, you know, like asking if they have latex allergies, which that seems like a stupid thing to think that that's sexy. Like just being caring and thoughtful in what is like a normally not a caring and thoughtful situation goes a long way. Yeah. I do think taking that extra step to make sure when you're having sex with somebody else's partner that the person, that person's partner knows what you're, you know, that you're doing that. I don't think it's necessary. I think it is on the, it's the onus of the wife or the husband. And if they are consenting, it's on them to know that their partner is okay with them doing what they're about to do too. But I do think it is kind of like that next level when the other person also asks the partner if it's okay too. I do it because we've just had so many times where we've done something and then it was obvious that the other partner was not okay with it. So I just kind of take that extra step. In order to avoid the drama, then really it's a necessarily consent thing. But it also is a good way. I mean, we've had a few times where you've gone to the third, you know, the extra person, that person's partner. You know, you ask them, hey, is it okay if I fuck you? And they're like, yeah, please. Oh, yeah, fuck the shit out of me. And then you go to their husband and you're like, hey, is it okay if I fuck your wife? And sometimes I can just look at the husband and say, he's not okay. Like, hey, I'd really like to fuck you, but you need to go talk. You probably need to go have a conversation with your husband. Like, what if he can't get hard and he's really struggling and she doesn't realize it? I mean, there's like a lot of things around that. Yeah. Okay. Number five. Well, and this is kind of a very similar ground, but I think it's also important to talk about. You have to swap or play to go to these events or parties. Sorry, I jumped ahead there, babe. Yeah, a lot of people feel like it's a requirement, like you have to. And that, like I said before, if there is ever a situation where an event organizer or a club or whatever, Whatever makes you feel that way, run fast, get away, never go back. Because that is 100% not okay. Yeah, I've seen social media posts. You know, this is because I follow a lot of lifestyle people on our Swing Nation social media. But I've seen stuff like, hey, you know, hosting a house party this weekend. Only, you know, only show up if you're DTF. Yeah. Well, what does that mean? Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. What are you putting out there? You know what I mean? Like, I think that's a, I'm okay so so let me say this if you're having like a private house party and let's say you invite three couples you can't like I feel no but this seems like it's like posted like open you know social media like we are having a party at our house this weekend yeah I assume they you know I don't know how many follow you know how many people are I don't know I house parties are like proceed with caution not that I think house parties are bad because I don't they're fun but usually you don't have security there you don't you know it's not like an actual club or even all that. So I would just proceed with caution. Yeah, I would say to me some of the red flags there, especially people that are posting on some of the swinger websites with open house parties. Like, come to our house this weekend. Because if you're coming and you don't know anybody, who else is coming? Right. You know? Are they vetting people? Are they? And let's be honest. People that are in the lifestyle usually have enough. If they want, like if we wanted to throw a house party or most of our friends that want to throw a house party, they invite their friends and people they know that they have a connection with, right? And so if it's somebody that doesn't have enough friends to invite to their house for a house, you know what I mean? Like it kind of can be a little bit of a red flag, I think. Yeah, I would think. Not to say that it can't be done and it can't be successful and it can't, you know, I'm not saying every one of those is bad. No, no. But it is a little bit of a red flag to me that most of the house parties that almost, I don't know if we've ever gone to a public house party where it's just like show up at my house. No, but I know that they. Also, that seems like a good way to maybe get murdered, you know? Yeah. I'm assuming that people who are listening to this are probably new-ish in the lifestyle, are thinking about it. I would do more organized. A hotel takeover, even a meet-and-greet at a bar, clubs. I would say all those are great to go to. Like Lacey said, if you go to a meet-and-greet at a bar, you're in public. Nobody's going to murder you. If you get uncomfortable, you can leave. Especially if you're new and you don't know. Clubs, they have good reputations. Usually there's security. They have rules. People are vetted. They've shown their ID to get in there. And the same with hotel takeovers and stuff like that. But random house parties, I think, especially if it's just something that somebody posted online, it could be a way to kind of get yourself in trouble if it's being hosted by a nefarious actor. You never have to do anything. If anybody makes you feel that way or just run. Just go the opposite way. It's just not. There's plenty of other, Parties out there that you will go and have fun and you don't have to have those pressures. Yeah, and we actually got – when I was looking at the Tuesday talk, because we recorded one of those episodes right before this, one of the questions was around – it's a couple that only plays with females. And they said they've gone to a few parties and events and stuff. And they said that they've been made to feel like by some couples that they're not actual swingers, right? Because they don't full swap. They only are looking to play with wives or single females. I can kind of get that. Yeah, no, I understand, I guess. That. To be honest with you, like, we met, we know a couple that we've known for years, and we were talking to them on the Bliss Cruise, and I said something, and she goes, well, I don't fuck guys. I only fuck girls. And they're, like, total swingers, in my opinion. They go to everything. They're part of the life. Like, so I was very, I was almost like, oh, okay. But, like, so I can see how that would happen. I could see how maybe I made her even feel that way. Not intentionally, not because I was just like, oh, you don't fuck guys? You're not like a big hoe like me. Yeah. The real answer is whatever your rules and boundaries are, are completely acceptable. For sure. You can go to lifestyle parties and events and not swap. You can go and just watch. You can go and not watch. You can go and just be there for the dance party part of it and never even go into the back areas and see any of the sexual stuff. Lifestyle is really whatever you make of it. Now, in practical application, there is some, especially, it's funny because if you went to a party as a hot wife couple and the husband didn't play and only the wife played, nobody would say a word to you, right? People would be celebrating your ass. They'd be like, yeah, come on over here, jump in with us. Your husband can have a seat over there in the corner, right? And it would be, you'd get no negative, well, I don't know, no, but you would get very few negative reactions. There is this stigma in the lifestyle that if your wife isn't playing, right, if you're just looking If a couple is just looking to fuck girls, there is kind of a stigma around that, that you're like unicorn hunting or you're, you know, whatever the case may be. I don't know why. You know what I mean? I don't either. And I can't really explain it, but also kind of agree in some ways. Because the funny thing is you sit out of so many orgies and so, you know, there's so many times we have sex. I also wonder, like, I guess because. And you only watch. I guess so. I'm like, what's going on behind the scenes? Will he not let her fuck? Right. You know, is it a one penis rule? Right. You know, he's getting to fuck all these bitches, but she can't fuck anybody. So I think maybe there's some of that underlying that, like, it leaves, you know, that question mark. So I can't explain it, but there's definitely there. Right. So, you know, if you are a couple that's only looking to play with females, some people might react negatively to that. But I think once they get to know you, you know, as long as you're being true and authentic and, you know, whatever the case may be. Just like this couple of. Maybe she's got trauma in her past and she doesn't feel comfortable around strange men. There could be a million reasons why that's what you're looking for. Maybe she just genuinely has no interest in other men or something like that. But yeah, be careful with that. It is something that you're going to apply. But at the end of the bottom line is whatever your rules and boundaries are, whatever way you are looking to play and engage, that's up to you. It's up to you and your partner and nobody else. And if you truly don't want to do things outside of what your rules and boundaries are. Don't. And nobody can make you do that. Right. And if people try to pressure you or make you feel uncomfortable or, you know, make you do something you don't want to do, then that's that's a huge red flag and find a new party, find new friends, find new people. And you'll be good. Yeah. All right. I think that that basically sums up the list of misconceptions that I had. I hope that helps clear it up. Maybe you're you're sitting at home and you're and you're listening and you had some of those preconceived notions about the lifestyle. I think a lot of people do. Me and Lacey did before we joined the lifestyle. So, you know, we don't blame you for having those misconceptions. It's very common. But that's part of what this platform is about is clearing up some of that stuff so that people know the lifestyle is really whatever you make of it. And there's so many options out there of ways to play and engage. And really, it's just an open-minded, sex-positive community. is really the best way to explain it. Kind of some of the stuff we talked about at the beginning is come as you are. We don't care where you come from. We don't care how much money you make. Don't care who you voted for in the last election. All we care about is that you come with an open mind and a good heart, good intentions. And I think you'll have a positive experience if you go into it with that preconceived notion. Yes. All right. Anything else for the Swing Nation listeners? things coming up. So this is coming out on Thursday. Yeah. Which means we are in Gulf Breeze right now. We are. We are setting up lights and staging and desire spaces and. Which is a playroom. Microphones and beds and cabanas and all the things. Yeah. Getting ready for everybody to get here tomorrow. Yeah. So the party kicks off at two o'clock is when the music starts. You can show up to the at 2 p.m. Check-ins at 3 p.m. But we got permission for you to come to the hotel. You can come in at 2 o'clock if your room is not ready, which it probably will be. But for some reason, they're still cleaning it or whatever. You know, you can still come into the party. And then once your room is available, you can put your stuff in your room. Yeah. And there are day passes. It's sold out. People have canceled. It's sold out several times now. But if you're hearing this, it's probably sold out. You can get day passes and there's a hotel, another hotel in the same parking lot, which it probably will sell out too. But we're close to Pensacola. There's hotels in every corner. So if you really want to come, just come and get your day pass. Yeah, I think we're a little worried about hitting fire code capacity. So, you know, definitely don't just show up. Go on the website and that's electric-pleasures.com. You can also find links to that same website from swingersociety.net. Make sure there's still day passes listed on the website. So as long as the day passes are listed on the website, that means we have not cut them off. But it's looking like we could possibly hit or we're going to cut it off about 500 people. Because because mostly because the ballroom, the interior ballroom, you know, that's about the limit for that. So so go check it out. So we're expecting close to 500 people. So it's going to be a pretty crazy party. The weather's looking good. There was lots of people were worried it was going to be 30 degrees outside. It's looking like mid-60s. Whether it's going to rain or not is still kind of up. But it looked like at least one of the days was sunny and beautiful. Either way, we have a tent, a huge tent. Yes. So the day party is outside. There will be a DJ outside by the pool. That is in a covered tent. And the dance area that's outside by the pool is also in a covered tent. We also have those stand-up outdoor heaters that are inside those tents, and so if it is cold, you know, if it's almost 70 degrees, we don't need the heaters. But at night, if it starts to get a little chilly, we'll kick those heaters on. Because you're kind of inside a tent, it'll be either way. It'll be beautiful dancing weather and hanging out and socializing and getting to know people. We got a glow show. We got a fire show. We're doing a polar bear plunge. We got Sexy Yoga Stretching on Saturday morning. We got a... I'm trying to think of... I guess I can just say it. There's a handjob class. Oh, really? On Saturday. I think it's like 1 o'clock or something like that. Sounds fun. Yeah, you need to go. We need to go. Okay. Yeah, we need to go to that class. I do a fine job. You do, but I'm sure there's maybe some techniques we don't know about. You might learn something. Why are we doing... Why are you saying this is we? Are you trying to... Well, no, I'm saying I'll go with you so that if you need... A dick? Well, not that I need to learn how to... I mean, I know how to jerk off my dick. I could probably teach the class. But... Okay, moving on. So all kinds of... My point is all kinds of fun stuff. There's food available right there at the restaurant. There's going to be a brunch buffet, a lunch buffet, a dinner buffet. So you can come set up shop and be there all weekend long. Yeah. Already have fun. It's going to be a good time. Yeah. Anything else? about that? Any last minute announcements? We got nine different DJs. Oh, wow. They're playing everything from girl bop to dubstep. And so if you are a fan of it's going to I mean, there's gonna be some open format DJ stuff. But if you like EDM festival type music, if you like dancing and partying, it's gonna be a place to be. So come check it out. Yeah. I did want to mention after EP will be the Bliss Cruise, which February is basically sold out. Now, listen, if you want to get on that trip, we had somebody reach out to us last week, the week before, and we were able to get him. This is the time when people cancel last minute. And so you'll see some stuff pop open. So anytime you kind of want to go to something like this last minute, you can always email us at admin at swingyoursociety.net, and we'll do everything we can to connect to you and get you to the right people. April, Bliss Cruise still does have some availability, And we will also be on the April Bliss Cruise. Which honestly. I'm kind of more looking forward to. Because there's like two beach parties. In April. We've been talking a little bit to the Bliss Cruise. Preparing for this February cruise. And they've been telling us about April. And I somehow. I missed this message I guess. But the April Bliss Cruise. They're actually doing two. Oh I knew that. Beach takeovers. And when I say takeovers. I mean there's going to be DJs. There's going to be playrooms. There's going to be. Oh, wow. Playrooms? I didn't know that. There's going to be playrooms. There's going to be a pop-up dungeon on the beach. Wow. So not only are you going to have DJs, music, all that. Talk about like bucket lists. Also play spaces and a pop-up dungeon. From what I hear, this is, you know, this is rumors from people that work at Bliss. So if it doesn't happen, don't say, well, Dan told me. Well, if there's a playroom. I have good information, insider information, that there's going to be play spaces and a dungeon at least at one, at least at one of the beaches. And you, we're fucking in a playroom. On the beach? On the beach. Yeah. In whatever island we're at. Right. That totally sounds fun. But yeah. I think it's Montego Bay and Cosmel are the two beach parties. Yeah. So, which are both amazing locations. Yeah. Super excited about that. Right. So, February cruise sold out. Email admin at Swinger Society to get on that. But there are still April. If you go to swingersociety.net, you can still book rooms for the April cruise, which is extremely unusual. Yeah. Usually, these cruises sell out six months to a year in advance. But I think because they just, added the February cruise and February and April are pretty close together. There's also, I think, one or two other lifestyle or lifestyle-friendly cruises going around that same time. So I think there's just an abundance of cruising happening in that window. So there are some rooms still available. It's going to sell out, but if you are interested, go book that. And shameless plug, if you use our link, you not only get all the benefits of going with Bliss, but you also get all the benefits of going with us. You get a swag bag from us and you get, because we are in a You get their perks, too. It's the same price, and it's basically a three-fer, right? You get all the things. You're basically getting everything from Bliss Cruise, everything from Topless, and everything from us. Yes, and we, like, for instance, the February Bliss Cruise, we're taking a pretty big group. We're doing a Zoom call before it. It's scheduled for, like, the week we get back from Electric Pleasures, but where we can, like, all get to know each other and chat and answer questions, so you have us here to help you. It's a little harder to hang out. because it's such a big cruise and there's so many people spread out but we are here if you need us you can message us if you anything you need we will be right there we have a discord chat room too where you can go and ask questions i know i've seen people in there talking about the february cruise like we're all planning what excursion we're doing and all this stuff so it's it's definitely there's a perk for for booking with us and we appreciate it a hundred percent uh i also have insider information that they booked a a new production company. And it may or may not be the same production company they're using for Groove Cruise. Oh, wow. So if you know that, that's like the big EDM cruise where they, you know, lasers and lights and LED walls. So there's a rumor that they're using the same production company. So if you've been, you know, if you've been less than impressed with Bliss's production in the past, I think you're going to be impressed on these upcoming cruises. Good. Okay. All right. Anything else for the Swing Nation listeners? Let's do it. All right. We'll see you guys. at Electric Pleasures. And we'll see you on the February Bliss Cruise. Go book your April cruise today. There's a bunch of... We're going to Electric Pleasures in Atlanta in March. And then stay tuned. While we're at Electric Pleasures this weekend, we're actually going to drop a secret June party for Electric Pleasures. That's in a pretty cool location for June. So if you're looking for a party in June, go to swinnerstudy.net. That will be out this weekend. Yep. All right. Anything else for Swinner? listeners. That's it. All right, guys. 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