Promescent, Pleasure & Progress — Catching Up with Jeff Abraham

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If you want to party with us and the other faces and names that you know from social media and TikTok, head on over to swingersociety.net. Can't wait to see you there. Hey there, pineapple people, and welcome to the Swing Nation podcast. We are your hosts, Northern Guy and Southern Girl, and we are sitting down in the studio with a special guest, probably one of our first interviews of the podcast. Probably, yeah. And probably one of our first sponsors of the podcast. Yes. We're here with Jeff Abraham, and he's the CEO of Promescent, which is a brand you've probably heard about. If you've been listening to this podcast for more than a day, welcome back, Jeff. Pleasure to be here. It's been a while. It's been, I think, close to four years. Yeah, I was just thinking, when we did the episode, we lived in two different states, you and I, and I was in my car when we did this episode. Like, I stopped and, like, recorded this in the car, and then I think, I'm pretty sure we lost my audio, and you had to, like, go in and, like, put it back over. I don't know what you did to fix it. We came a long way since then. We came a long way. I was actually Living in an RV on a military base. Yeah. At that point in time, Jeff. I remember that so much because I remember you in the car. Yeah. Halfway through the thing. Yeah. I almost said that earlier. I was going to last time we were there, you were in two different. Yes. You look like you're in a nice little studio. Yeah. We've definitely upgraded. You were in your car and I remember you telling me you were on a military base. Yeah. We definitely came a long way since then. We had to unmute the fighter jets taking off over because literally the runway was like right next to the RV park on the base. And so when the jets were it was like basically take off over my trailer so that's all you could hear yeah like shook the whole thing you know it would shake and rumble yeah it didn't matter if we were trying to record at 10 o'clock at night like that was the time when they were gonna do their training and we couldn't it was always always we never could plan it out right but so yeah a different setup now a different setup now and you guys have also come a long way we've come a long way but you know nothing makes me happier that when I see something like this and I see a success story. And I see you guys going, you know, we were pretty much bootstrapping it early on. You know what I mean? Me and my car, me and my RV in a military base, you know, trying to patch together. And now you have a nice studio. Your following has grown. And, you know, it's really nice to see. We went through something similar to that. You know, Emily Moore, Sex with Emily? Yeah. We first started working with her in 2011. Wow. And she was on her couch with a laptop in Santa Monica. And I was in my home, you know, the same thing. And we both laugh now. They go, wow, we've come a long way. It's the same thing with you guys. And it's nice to help someone be a part of that journey on both sides. You guys help us. We help you. And we hopefully both get to where we really need to go. Yeah. No, it's so true. And then, you know, we have several friends now that have started podcasts and stuff as well. And, you know, we listen to their podcasts and they have permissive commercials. Yeah. You know, you guys are everywhere. It seems like every podcast I listen to, especially, you know, about swinging or sex or some kind of alternative lifestyle. It seems like you guys are there. So you've done a really good job at reaching out to all these. What probably most people would overlook is like little brands, little podcasts. But we all got to start somewhere. But you guys have done really good at connecting with all of them. Well, you know, I think you hit a point where you go, well, we listen to some of our friends and we did the first couple. I think the first one we did might have been Front Port Swingers. Yeah. who were listening contacted us, reached out and said, hey, I heard you on Front Port Swingers. That's really interesting. And if you think about it, our products are all geared towards better sexual performance. Yeah. Who wants to go to a swingers network and not be able to perform? You know, I mean, if there's ever anything heightened, it's like here's a group of 30 people all in a room wanting to have sex with multiple partners. You want to have as vigorous and as longer lasting sex as possible. Who wants to go to an orgy and blow in 30 seconds ago? Well, in swingers, we'll spend some money on some good products, good lube, good vitamins, anything like that. We'll spend the money on it just to make our experience better. Absolutely. And it's the same thing for people that are just in regular relationships. You know, we touched on this a little bit before we started that sexual wellness is wellness. And I always laugh because I tell people, why is it that people spend literally thousands of dollars a month? in fashion. I got to look good. I have a private trainer. I got to eat right. I got to work out. I got to get my hair done. I got to get my hair colored. I got to get transplants. I got to get this. All think about it. Done to attract someone. You know, for the most part, I tell this to people, if there wasn't an opposite sex, if there was just one sex and they were all males, there'd be a lot of guys laying around 300 pounds eating Cheetos, watching football all day. A lot of what we do in terms of wellness is to attract a partner. Why don't we spend as much time and energy and effort? in maintaining and keeping the partner as we do attracting the partner, you know? So spending a couple hundred dollars on, you know, making sure you're a better lover and heightened intimacy is really nothing compared to the amount of money you've already spent just attracting that partner. No, that's so true. We don't, you know, I never really thought about it in that way. You know, Lacey is, she could have a PhD probably in spending money on how to attract partners. So that's a great point. But I will say as swingers though, I think We are more in tune with our sexual wellness. We're getting our hormones checked. We're getting all the best creams, the best pills, whatever we need. And I don't think a lot of people that are like, I feel like that, you see what I'm saying? Like a lot of normal non-lifestyle people, it's not as important probably because they're not having as much sex as we are having. Yeah. I mean, we're almost like, you know, like professional athletes at sex. Like that's, you know, that's what we. That's our hobby. That's our hobby. Yeah. And, you know, obviously you're going to be in an environment where people are evaluating, you know, you on your sexual performance. Yeah. You know, if you go to a swingers party, there's not a whole lot of people that are really bad lovers there for the most part. You know what I mean? Maybe there's some people that are insensitive, but for the most part, you're going there because you want to have that ultimate experience. You want to literally have multiple partners in an evening. That's the whole idea of being there. Yeah. No, and I think you're right. And therefore, you do go and look for products that will enhance that experience. Whereas before, you just grab whatever at Walmart or whatever was behind the aisle. You just grab that loop because it was easy to get. And that's maybe what you used at home with your partner. But when you're having sex the way we have sex, you want the best of the best for that kind of stuff. You want the best of the best. Exactly. Well, just think about this when you, even in terms of swinging, even in terms of regular people with their intimacy, I remember in 2013, when we first started having interest in going into retail, I went to Target. And there literally, you're going to laugh when I tell you this, it was KY lube. It was more medicinal than sexual. That was the whole sexual wellness department. Then I remember 2015, 2016. Okay, now there's tons of, you know, lubes and, you know, some creams. And I walked down an aisle in Target earlier this year, and I was blown away. Yeah. There were butt plugs, men's masturbatory devices. I'm like, wow, okay, we have come a long way. We have, right. Yeah, you used to have to go to Hot Topic for all that stuff. Hot Topic. Or not Hot Topic, uh, Spencers. Yeah, or, yeah, somewhere like that. No, exactly. And a lot of the sex shops and a lot of the Spencer gifts have had to pivot away from a lot of these products now because they had the entire market, they used to double, triple the prices. Yeah. And you had to go drive to the wrong part of town, you know what I mean? Yeah. And now you're like, whoa. Now you can walk down Walmart, Target, CVS, HEB, Meijer, Wegmans, and you see a full line of sexual wellness products. It's the fastest growing segment in retail. Which is good. I don't think it should be where you have to like sneak into a store and they put it in a brown bag and you got to sneak out. I can remember going to my first sex shop. Yeah. It was like. Scary. It seemed traumatic. It seemed like you were doing something illegal. Yeah. Like there was cameras. It was heavy. was like it felt kind of sketchy and like yeah you know there was somebody in the corner that looked like they were on drugs and you're like where am i right now that was before amazon now i think like amazon and places like that you can order it discreetly and have it sent to the house but the convenience of being able just to go to like a target or a walmart is is huge we find that there's totally different mindsets and that's why for us we need to be everywhere yeah i call it a three-legged stool certainly our website if you go right to promessa.com is vibrant and it's a great place but you need to be online because certain people they don't want to go to their local you know store whether it's target or walmart because their neighbor's daughter is the cashier you know i mean i'm having a little problem lasting pretty well mr smith i see you know what i mean or you're buying a butt plug and you know you mean your neighbor's working the checkouts so there's certain people that want it delivered that they don't want to go retail there are other people exactly the opposite they have roommates or their kids you know are home and you're at work and you don't want your daughter to go oh the amazon prime order came today here dad here's your promessa you and mom having a little issue right now so i call it a chain of custody certain people want to be able to go pick it up you know at a store yeah put it in their pocket go home and put it in their nightstand whether it's your roommate or your children or whoever certain people so for us the whole key was wherever you're comfortable getting the product, we're comfortable providing it on that site. Whether it's on our website, whether it's on Amazon, we're the number one sexual enhancement product on Amazon, our delay spray, or whether it's retail or wherever. So we'll meet you at whatever venue, whatever platform that is most convenient or best for you to maintain being discreet. No, that's great. Yeah, so I would encourage, you know, we kind of jumped right into talking here and kind of catching up. But what I did want to do is encourage people to go back and listen to the first episode that we did with you. Don't judge us on our quality. Who knows what the audio sounds like. I kind of forgot about the car and the jets taking off. But the reason I would encourage them to do that is you guys have a fascinating origin story. And we kind of talked in depth about that on that podcast episode. But real quick, do you want to recap just the overall how Promescent came to be and how you got involved? Yeah, we'll give you the thumbnail version. There you go. But basically, I owned a semiconductor engineering business, which I tell people this was the most circuitous route that everyone ever took to running a sexual wellness company. And I retired and I was a single father raising my son. He left and went to college. I retired all within a year period of time. I didn't realize I wasn't that interesting because all I did was basically build this company and raise my son and all of a sudden sold the company, retired. He left and it's like, okay, what do I do now? And Ron Gilbert, who had me, the director of urology at Hoag Hospital, happened to be a good friend. And he also lived at HB Huntington Beach. And, you know, we spent a lot of time together. And he asked me to give him an overview and help him with this company that he started. And the company was Promescent. And one thing led to another. I ended up investing in it. I was fascinated by the product. And I thought the efficacy of the product was excellent. One thing led to another. I invested. And a year later, They asked me to take over the company. Things were going really well. I have a real feel for marketing and running a company and making a really solid organization. And we started to get a foothold and things were going really well. And unfortunately, Ron was murdered in a case of mistaken identity. And then it became my absolute mission to make this successful because his family still owned a large portion of the company and to honor him and to give him a legacy. So things took off from there. And it's been a difficult journey. When you start and you wander into the land of the pharmaceutical industry, when you have these billion-dollar, trillion-dollar entities that you're up against, it's not easy to do. But we have the right technology, and that was due to Ron. And he was an excellent doctor, and he partnered with the right people and made a patented product that addressed a big issue, which was men lasting long enough to satisfy their partners or even to feel good about themselves so make no mistake about it i was a good business person but without that product we would not be where we're at right now there's a lot of good business people in the world there's very few people that have the foresight to have a breakthrough technology and in a marketplace as large as this one so it it was a very uh interesting journey it certainly wasn't anything that you'd map out traditionally you know Let's go find a semi-conductor retired executive to run a wellness company. Not exactly anyone's master plan. But sometimes life throws you certain situations and it's up to you to fit in and adapt. Losing Ron was very difficult. It was very traumatic. He was a great friend and a wonderful human being. But I thought this was a real opportunity to honor him. And I thought it was a real opportunity to help provide for his family. I've been fortunate enough to four times a year now, we write a nice quarter. my thing. And back at that point, we had 2,500 retail outlets. We were in 1,000 Walmart stores and 1,500 Target stores. We're now in 4,000 Walmart stores. We're in 1,500 Target stores. We're in 6,000 CVS stores. We're in 258 HEB stores. We're in 240 Meyers stores, which both of those are full distribution. And we're in 211 And all of those have multiple products. So we went from 2,500 retail shelf spaces to 13,000 in a space of the last four years. And next year, we should be well into the 20,000 range. There's a couple other big players that are slated to launch our products next year. And like we chatted about earlier, it's funny because I run into people now and they go, oh, my God, you're an overnight sensation. I go, we started this thing in 2011. There's nothing over. And it takes so long to build up the momentum and the inertia that I think people don't realize how long you've been around until you finally have that breakthrough moment. And for us, it's funny because people will say to me, do you think you can continue to grow, especially at such a rapid pace? And I look at them and I go, we'll be able to grow faster. And they go, that's impossible. And I tell people, you think about it, it's very difficult to grow when your sales, when I took over $80,000 a year, and you literally are borrowing and raising money to the point now where we're extremely profitable. So we're able to do things now we couldn't do before. We're able to do things in terms of advertising and sponsorships and partnerships that weren't available to us. At the same time, we have people approaching us now. People hear us on other podcasts and they call up and go, oh, my God, I heard you on Adam Carolla or I heard you on this or I heard you on that. That's fascinating. I remember before we had to beg, borrow and steal to get on anywhere. Who are you? You know, we have people. I saw your stuff in Target. I saw it in Walmart. I saw it in, you know, CVS. And it's just, it's easier to grow once you have a certain inertia, once you have momentum. The hardest part is when you don't have momentum, when you're calling up and people go, let me do some research and see who you are kind of a thing. But one thing that's always been a given with us is we were very fortunate to start in the medical community. And we have, this past week was SMSNAs. Sexual Medicine Society of North America. It's a show in, this year it was in Dallas, Texas. And we have the president of SMSNA, which is Sexual Medicine Society of North America, on our board of directors. We have the president of the International Society of Sexual Medicine. We have Amy Perlman, Rachel Rubin, some of the top female urologists, and Mohit Kira and Larry Levine. And that gives us a lot of credibility because you look at our website, you see these testimonials. So when other doctors go, I've heard good things about this. One of my patients mentioned to it. They go to our website. And they go, for God's sakes, the who's who of sexual wellness in terms of medicine is on our site touting our product. That really helps us. And that's been hard earned because when we first went there, they were, this is interesting. Let me try some, you know, with my patients. And, you know, can you guys do clinical trials? And we're one of the few companies, if not the only company in this space, that actually has paid for clinical trials. clinical trials, they cost half a million dollars a product. And that's a lot of money. And I remember I had people say to me, wow, that was a big gamble, you know, because if you want to do a clinical trial, you have to make sure it's IRB certified and statistically significant. That means there's enough people in the trial that you're out of the margin of error. And I remember people saying, wow, that was a big risk. You spent half a million dollars. What would have happened if you did that in the trial wasn't statistically significant, you know? And I said, well, we had a lot of belief in products, because anyone who works here has used them. And why would you work or invest in a company if you didn't go, let me see how these things truly work? I tell people all the time, because they'll ask me, have you ever tried your products? I started laughing. I think I would have invested my money and I would have worked my ass off for 12 years without realizing. I've used every product that we have. I've used every competitive product, because how would I know how to position us? How would I know how we stack up against the competition without really trying and using everything? So, yeah, we speak from a position of strength, and we invested our money wisely, and it's all begun to pay off really, really nicely for us. Yeah, so if people don't know, because I don't know if we've really touched on it, that first product was the delay spray, and you've talked about that some, about it's a product that's, you know, for males that helps bridge that orgasm gap, so essentially delaying the time in which a male has an orgasm, which was, like you said, when that product came out, people didn't believe it. it was real or didn't believe it worked or all these things. But now you have, I don't know how many products, but dozens of products. So how do you decide which, I'm thinking like if I'm Dan and I own a sexual wellness company, there's got to be a million products that you could possibly make. How do you decide which ones to invest in and which ones to put out there? You'll laugh. I wish I could say, well, I was a genius and I sat down and I mapped this all out. I'm very, very interactive with our customer base because we're one of the few, almost everyone else, puts it on shelves or puts it on Amazon, just push people that direction. We have a very robust site. When you come to promessant.com and you end up ordering product, we have all your information. I reach out. I talk to our users all the time. And it's funny because I'll send an email out, especially I see someone ordering for the fifth, sixth, seventh or eighth time. Hey, thank you for, you know, your business. How did you originally find Promessant if they haven't filled that out in any of the customer surveys? And right away, they're like, oh, my God, I can't believe you sent me an email. I go, why? They go, you're the CEO of the company. I go, as the CEO of the company, it's very important for me to understand how we attract business, you know, the level of satisfaction. And I had people telling me at first, I was just reaching out to find out their level of satisfaction and how they found us. Because what you want to do is if someone goes, hey, I found you through a podcast, you go, hey, let's do more podcasts. If someone goes, hey, I saw this banner ads, I heard a serious radio show, it's just It's nice to know where your business comes from. And a lot of people told me early on, hey, can you guys develop a lube? I really and truly am now lasting eight minutes and I was lasting 40 seconds. I didn't need a lube when I lasted 40 seconds. Now I'm eight to 10 minutes. I need some lubrication. So the first thing we did is that the first add-on product we have was a lube because I listened to our customers and they're like, would like a lube, but it was organic aloe vera lube. Which is our favorite. We always talk about it. Yeah, it's absolutely my favorite and personal. You know, I know a lot of people like silicone and stuff. I swear to God, I can't use silicone lube. It takes me an hour and a half to scrub that shit off. I'm in the shower, my shirt's sticking to me. You know what I mean? It's just not my thing. I love, I'm an organic aloe vera guy. I like the water lube too, but there's something about that organic aloe vera. It's really nice. So we developed that and it ended up working really well. And then the crazy part is I was SMS our third product was VitaFlux the nitric oxide enhancement products and I was there and one of our doctors came up to me and goes you look kind of tired I go yeah we're really expanding I can't hire people fast enough it's keeping me busy blah he goes hey I developed this product that I'm giving to some of my patients and I go what is it he goes the product gives you more energy help you with blood flow workouts blah blah great so he gave it to me and I start taking it Immediately, that's SMSNA that year was in San Antonio, Texas. And I remember I came home and two weeks later, my girlfriend at the time says to me, are you taking some kind of ED supplement? I'm like, no, why? She goes, I don't know if you're aware of this, but, you know, we've been intimate like 13 days in a row. I go, well, I don't keep a calendar. I'm not checking it off. And at that, I was like seven years ago. So I was 61 at the time. And, you know, no matter what anyone tells you is you reach, you know, your 40s and 50s and 60s, your number of episodes per month does tend to go down a bit. No one is as horny at 60 as they are at 18. And I was like, you know, you're right. We have been. I really didn't put two and two together. And I said, well, things wax and wane. Maybe it's just like this phase. And I remember a week later, I'm like, I'm getting morning erections and I'm 63 years old. OK, something's going on here. So I happened to call the doctor that gave us. I said, hey, he started laughing. He goes, of course. does. I'm a urologist specialized in sexual. I go, well, you told me about the other benefits. He goes, I thought you'd assume the sexual benefits. And I go, how exactly does this work? He goes, well, it's L-carnitine, L-citrulline, L-arginine, zinc, and magnesium. He goes, it increases blood pressure when it does that, or blood flow. When it does that, it decreases blood pressure, but it causes arousal. Because when you increase blood flow, it doesn't just go in one specific area. It goes everywhere. and your genitals are part of it. And I said, oh, my God, I didn't realize that. He goes, yeah. He goes, not only that, you'll notice that you become leaner. You have less body fat and more lean muscle. Because as we age, every vein and artery in our body has an epithelial layer surrounding it. And what the epithelial layer does, it's very good at keeping bad stuff out, viruses and bacteria. It allows the absorption of hormones, vitamins and minerals. When we reach our mid to late 30s, that epithelial layer, are hardens. When it hardens, it gets even better at keeping bad stuff out. Unfortunately, it starts keeping good stuff out. So your hormone levels drop. So for men, your erectile function goes down about 5%. Now, it's not something that's going to make you impotent or, you know, but it is somewhat noticeable. 5% is 5%. At the same time, you retain more body fat, you have less lean muscle tissue because of the lack of hormones. So another thing, benefit of VitaFlux is nitric oxide supplement. It allows you to soften that epithelial layer. So it begins to naturally soften. So for both men and women, you gain lean muscle, you lose a little bit of body fat that you started to put on. But for women, there's actually an additional benefit. They begin to regain the ability to moisturize like they did when they were younger. Because between the aging process, the hardening of the epithelial layer, and then menopause, women have a real issue with being able to naturally lubricate. We have hundreds of women that use this product. specifically for that reason. They were able to regain the ability to lubricate naturally. So I said to him, wow, I didn't realize that all these benefits. So I said, would you mind if we market this for sexual wellness? Because they were marketing, it decreases your blood pressure. And they were doing very well in the blood pressure market. I said, being that you're a doctor of sexual medicine, why didn't you market this for sexual medicine? He started laughing. He said, because we're unknown. And he said, a lot of people, we had to run all these Google ads. And they were like, what is this? And Google ads are very expensive. You know, you're aware when you go to advertise. And they just weren't confident enough to pull the trigger because we were an unknown. And he says, this would be perfect. You guys are known and people trust you and they like us. I said, yes. So we introduced Vitaflux for both men and women. And it immediately took off and became a really good product. And then just listening to our customers, a lot of them were like, hey, we need some stuff for women. You know, you have all these products for men. Then that's how we came up with our first female warming arousal gel. Then that led to female buzzing arousal gel. And then it just seemed like at the time, the before and after wipes, people would say, do you have anything for like cleanup? Or, you know, I'm at a club with my girlfriend. We go to her house. I just want to police up the area there a little bit beforehand and after. So that was our before and after wipes. Which we have a question about the before and after wipes. We do. So, okay. As swingers, our top products that we probably use aloe vera lube yeah 100 the condoms i really like your your condoms uh okay and i didn't realize before becoming a swinger i just bought my condoms at the gas station or whatever like probably like everybody else did so i just thought that's how condoms were like i never really these are like bougie condoms i'm like they're like they're like a better quality and i can't even explain to why they're a better quality or i don't know if it's the the stuff that's on them or i don't know if it's the what they're made out of but they're just they're just nicer they just are. So we use your condoms quite a bit. And then the other thing we use a lot of is the wipes. But then we have one little complaint about the wipes. We do. We were actually talking to a gentleman that worked for you. So when swingers go to a playroom, they typically bring like a pack of like baby wipes or dude wipes or something like that because it's in a pack. And usually one person brings them and then everybody just shares. We love the before and after wipes, but they're They're individually wrapped, so you'd have to bring a whole handful. And we're like, there's got to be a reason that they didn't put them in a pack. Like a baby wipe pack. Or is there a reason? There is a reason. It's funny. But swingers would love that, just for the record. We do love the wipes, but we think we would get better use out of them if they were in a pack. Here's the reason. The majority of people that are having intimacy in this country aren't swingers. But even at home, if you have one beside the bed and you need to grab them, usually you want to grab two or three, not just one. Some people, in fact, most people have sex once or twice a week. So they would literally take a year. And once you, even if you have them in a pack, you put one at a time. Within three weeks, they're dry. You have to throw them away. Because once you peel that, the reason they're individually wrapped is they're hermetically sealed. So you literally, they stay completely. Moist until you break that seal and use them. If we would have one of those, unless you would use the entire box within three or four weeks, it would dry out. So no, you're, you're exactly right. And we would have to create a specific pack for swingers, which if we continue to do as much business, we're doing the swinger market, that might be. Well, I'd rather see people use like promessant, like a baby wipe. That's the problem is when we go to these playrooms, some people bring like baby wipe, baby wipes. And you know, I don't know what counts. Some of those things. like they have chemicals on them. I don't know what they, they don't seem like they're very pH balanced. Yeah, correct. We recommend ours are pH balanced. They have a little aloe vera in there. They're very soothing on the skin. And it's funny, you brought up the point, well, this is all top quality. One of the things that I decided when we started expanding that when we first brought our aloe vera lube, which was our second product we ever introduced to the market, I sent out a hundred emails to the first hundred people that bought it. Hey, what gave me the confidence to these products. We were a delay spray company. Almost without fail, everyone was fairly identical with slightly different wording. I knew it was on this site. It was top quality. You guys stand behind it 100% because we have a 30-day full money-back guarantee. So when I introduced VitaFlux, same thing. Hey, this is a, you know, kind of a pill. It's a supplement. What gave you the confidence? If I was on this site, I know it's top quality. I know that you stand behind it. So then I had this epiphany. I said, you know, we need to keep our eyes and ears open for different products and different things that listen to our customers but every time leaders of product there are criteria and the number one criteria has to be as good if not better than everything else in that space and that way we maintain that because we have people that will call up in literally you know our order online literally order one of everything we make i've seen orders eight different products you know two different types of lubes delay wipes, before and after wipes, a vibrator, you know, this whole thing. So it became very apparent to me that people were coming to our site and they really wanted to go. I don't have to go to three or four sites. I want to buy everything I need at this site. But the thing that gave them the confidence is everything that we had been introducing was as good, if not better, and everything else in the space. So that became our mantra. And that's why it's funny because, you know, we have some investment banking firms working with us now. and potential acquisition targets looking at us. And they all ask me this question, oh, how many products you plan on introducing next year? I go somewhere between zero and six. They're like, what? I go somewhere between six. They go, well, shouldn't you have a firm number like three or four? I go, think about that. If I'm to maintain the quality that I want to maintain, what if next year I don't find three products in three different new spaces that are as good if not better and everything else out there? That means I'm not going to introduce them because as soon as someone buys a product, from us and they go, eh, that's kind of a second-rate product, they're not going to have the confidence that they have right now. Now, if I find eight products next year, then I'll invite eight and I'll launch eight. But I will never waver. When someone goes, how many products will we introduce? I go, I'm not going to give you a firm number because if they don't meet that strict criteria, they're not going to be on our site and I will not introduce them. So we are very strict with that, that for us to introduce a product that has to be as good, if not better than anything else in that space. Lacey, the question we get asked on social media and TikTok more than any other question is how do I find lifestyle people, lifestyle events, lifestyle parties, lifestyle cruises, lifestyle people. I think I already said that. In my area. Basically anything lifestyle you need. How do I find it? You need to get on, The Swinger website. And SDC is one of our favorites. It's really big here in the Southeast U.S. for sure. Yeah. And it has all the clubs listed. It has all the parties listed. You can find information on cruises. You can find our podcasts on SDC. Yeah, you can. And if you want to try it completely risk-free, we have a free trial link for you. We do, yeah. So how do people go and find that free trial link? If you go to theswingnation.info and scroll to the bottom, you're going to find some of our favorite products and products. And you're just going to click that link and go straight there. All right. If you guys want to find lifestyle people in your area, go sign up for SDC, completely risk-free. Yeah. And see if it works for you. I agree. All right, guys. Bye. Go check it out. Lacey, one thing I don't leave home without when going to a swinger event is my ED medication. That is correct. Performance anxiety is 100% a real thing. Having sex in an orgy room with 100 people in there is way different than having sex at home in your bedroom. It is. So I like to have what we call little insurance policy and have some of that ED medication in my pocket. Shameless Care is who I use for that. And they actually just came out with a new product called the Shameless Duo. Yeah. Which is a combination medicine that has Viagra and Cialis in it. So that one, you can be ready whenever. But also, it's got that dose that you can take as you're getting ready to go to the playroom and you need that to kick in. Yeah. So I love it. I mean, I used it at Hedo for the first time and that combination. You've kind of pretty much switched to that, haven't you? That's basically what I use all the time now. Yeah. So if you're looking for ED medication, if you're new to the lifestyle and you're going to an event, you might want to get some and have it just handy in case you need it kind of thing. Yeah. And the really cool thing about Shameless Care is they don't set you up on a reoccurring plan. you're not going to get all of this ED medication that you have in your nightstand built up. When it's time that you need more, you'll get an email from them and they'll ask you, hey, are you ready for another round? And you can respond back, yes, please refill it, or no, I'm good right now, thank you. So it's really cool because you don't end up with all these extra pills and spend a bunch of money that you're not, you know, you don't need to spend. Yeah, and my favorite part is you don't actually have to go into an office and talk to your family doctor or a military doctor. you can do it all right online from the privacy of your home you just go to the website you fill out some forms the doctor reviews it approves you disapproves you and you move on from there so if you would like to get some medication you can go to the swing nation dot info click on the little recommended apps and products scroll down to the shameless care icon click on that and that's going to take you over there there's some discount codes there for you so you can get a discount off your first order but I highly recommend That is correct. What one doctor thinks is a full panel, another doctor may have a completely different version of that. And being somebody in the lifestyle and engaging with multiple partners, what you should be getting tested for is probably, if you're not telling your doctor that, what you should be getting tested for is probably different than what they're thinking. Yes. In their head. Yeah, because they don't know your lifestyle. Or even if they do know your lifestyle, there's a like, for instance, there is a new one called MGen, and we just recently met a doctor at a lifestyle party and said that she had never even heard about it and so she was awesome that we had educated her on that so a lot of these doctors don't they don't know it all right so if you are going to participate in the lifestyle you probably need to get tested from people that are meant to do this yes so we use i know my status it's the same people behind talent testing who are the it's a company that tests all the porn stars so they're used to testing people that engage with multiple partners. They know all the latest on what STIs are, you know, coming up and spreading and they track all the stats. I mean, they know how to test people for STIs. They're the experts. They are. And if someone that you engage with, you know, if they have used I Know My Status, they can actually give you a QR code and you can scan it and you can see their results right on your phone so you can confirm everything that they're telling you. Yeah, 100 percent. So please, If you're getting tested, get tested the right way. We recommend using IKnowMyStatus. You can go to theswingnation.info, recommended apps and products. Scroll down to the IKnowMyStatus icon and you can get a discount off your first test. But please, if you're swinging, if you're engaging with people in the community, please be safe about it. Go get tested. Yeah, because we want you to fuck like a porn star. For sure. I see you just picked up our vibrator I did I actually no I turned it on before we got on the call and I was actually very impressed by this well Lacey's a magic wand type of person so it takes a lot to impress her because she she likes the one that you have to like plug into the wall that has a motor it's got to be a 220 outlet it's got to be the 30 horsepower is not good enough. I like the horsepower of the plug. You like the horsepower of plugging that bad boy. But to be honest, I have every single magic wand that they've ever... I have the travel one. Dan has the little... We have every one. And they all serve a purpose when you need them. They have the mini. They have like five different vibrators. Dan has the mini. And what's funny is he lost the mini that stays in his fanny pack. And he uses it when we're in play sessions. And like some girls cannot come without... Some kind of clits. Yeah. So that's like his magic weapon. He just pulls it out. So when I turned this on and I was like, dang. And I put it against his arm. He was like, he lost his. And we had to go to like, we were in Texas or something to some like little. It took us a while to find one. And it took, it was so expensive because they charge way more than they actually cost. But he was like, that would have been a good replacement for that. Because this actually is, I was very impressed how powerful this little thing is. We developed our line of vibrators. This might be the only time in history. I remember the person we were working with, the development engineer from the company we were working with, he says, hey, we can do this, this, and this. We'll strip this out, and we'll get your costs way down. I said, you're not stripping anything out. And I said, we don't sell on price. We want to be competitive, but we sell on value. He goes, what? I said, let me tell you something. I go, that's exactly the mantra. That's what we always stress. We don't want to be the cheapest, but we want to be the best value, okay? This feels very nice. I actually, like before you even got on the call, Dan and I just personally were sitting here. I was like, dang, I really like this. So it's a little, like just, I don't know if you can see me. It's a little bullet. Yeah. So people that are watching this. It almost looks like a lipstick. Yeah, no, it's actually. That's exactly what it looks like, a lipstick. Yeah, and it's waterproof. You can put it in water too. It's waterproof. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. Well, it's funny because when we first started researching vibrators, everyone that makes vibrators, is like, let's get in touch with these guys, because they know that we're one of the up and coming leading full service sexual wellness companies. So I literally got every vibrator known to mankind. Hey, carry ours, carry this. We may augment our own line, we're gonna have our own line of a bullet, a rabbit and a cock ring. But we'll carry, we carry the magic wand. Yeah, because it's a little black dress of vibrators. Yeah. And it is around, I dated a gal, this was about 12 years she was a nurse practitioner and she had i think 40 vibrators and i remember the first time she brought out the original magic wand right when it was like the hitachi massager or whatever right yeah i go what the hell is that because so many of them were like really ergonomically correct and just they look like advanced and it was like a club you know yeah it is like a plug in oh this is the original black dress i go what she goes this is my And I think she was 42. And she goes, this is my fourth one. I found this when I was 24. And I use it every single night. No matter what other vibrators I'm using, no matter what, I always use my hand. It's my favorite. I've had it longer than I've had Dan, to be honest with you. It's been in my life. It is plugged in next to her bed at all times. It doesn't get unplugged. She might not use it every night, but she uses it three or four times a week at least. For sure. Yeah. And I just laughed. And I remember when we I said, I'm not going to violate anyone's patent or try to be one of these people that goes, let's make it slightly different. It's the best. It's there. It's established. And we start carrying it. And everyone goes, oh, my God, you're carrying someone else. I go, yeah, because it's the best. Yeah. What it is. And I don't want to have a knockoff or one of these whatever. What we do, we do really well. But we also respect someone else who makes the best thing. Yeah, for sure. Space. And so we carry the magic. And we do really, really well with it. One of the main issues that I had, and I don't think you see this as much in the swinger things, because people tend to be more educated about sex and less uptight. I know when we first started selling vibrators, we were selling a lot more to women than we were to men. And, you know, I have a full range of vibrators in my home. Number one, I already had a bunch. And then once I started doing them, everyone sent me some to try out. But a lot of men, especially men who aren't swingers, who aren't really I think that bringing a vibrator into their relationship means that they're deficient or means, oh, maybe I'm not the best lover. And I've actually done some videos and I tell people this whenever on a podcast, men, check your ego at the door. Your goal is entering a room, whether you're with one person by yourself or with swingers in a swinger event, your goal is for whoever you're being in with to have as many and as aren't in the lifestyle yet, or maybe a little bit curious, investigate. You will find that your partner wants to have as many orgasms as possible. Just like you said with the bullet that you had before and everything else, is there are a lot of women who can't climax unless they're having direct clitoral stimulation, which is hard during regular intercourse. So that's why a cock ring is good. That's why having a little bullet vibrator, putting it right on the clit, even while you're having regular sex only intensifies and, you know, gives you a higher probability of your partner having sex during intercourse. Yeah, I can't agree. I cannot agree with you more, Jeff. And that's exactly like what Lacey said. I don't leave home without a vibrator at this point. So when we go to swinger events, I carry a fanny pack. And inside that fanny pack, there's some permissive condoms. There's some permissive, the individual lube packets, you know, they fit nice in a fanny pack. The bottles aren't, they're a little too big. But then I always have that little tiny magic wand bullet. And when we're in a playroom, I can almost kind of tell at this point, you know, when you're having sex with a girl and she's not quite getting there, you're like, oh, this is probably one of the girls that needs clitoral stimulation to orgasm. So I'll reach for that vibrator. And nine out of 10 times, they're like, oh, thank God. Like, yeah, like, oh, give me that. Like, yeah, that's perfect. I don't care how great of a lover you are without that direct clitoral stimulation. Some girls just need that. They need a vibrator on their quick to orgasm. And I'm different. I can come without it. But then if you add it, that's just like a whole different levels. Then Lacey starts making all those demon noises. She starts having like an exorcism and stuff. That's how you get her to that level of stuff. But you think if people are not actively engaging in lots of different partners like we are, let's say you've only been with two or three women your whole life, you may not realize that. If a guy only had sex with you, he would be fucked. Because he would think he was a rock star. You know what I mean? Because Lacey can come 10 times in 20 minutes and that's just normal for her. She has no issue coming. So if you'd only ever had sex with her and then you went to have sex with somebody that has a more difficult time achieving orgasm, you would be like, what the fuck is going on? Like, what am I doing? What's going on? I don't understand. When I first moved here to Nevada back in 2013, I dated a gal who had a bit of a hooded clitoris and she literally needed 40 minutes of solid penetration and thrusting to achieve an orgasm through intercourse. And I remember there were nights, I swear to God, I felt like I was punching. and I should have put a hard hat on. You know what I mean? Good thing I was the freaking CEO of Promessa, and I would have to take a second job bagging groceries at Whole Foods to pay for my Promessa. We joke, we leave playrooms sometimes, and it's like, some of you guys need to work on your cardio. Some of you tapped out a little too early. Get in the gym, get on the treadmill. It doesn't have to be fast, but endurance. Take a spin class. But it was funny because I remember there were nights I would literally get in bed with her. I'd go, fuck, And then right after her was the gal with the 50 vibrator. She was the physician's assistant. I'll never forget this. She could have 10 to 12 orgasms a night, every single night. She would sneeze and orgasm. And there was a certain part of me that went, OK, I like this better. OK, this this is you do feel like you're King Kong. You literally feel like you're the world's greatest lover. And you can't take it personally when someone has an anatomical situation. where it's harder for them to orgasm, you know? But it just is, there's almost this feeling, this is how it's supposed to be. It's free and it's easy, you know what I mean? And no matter what anyone ever says, whether you're a male or female, you get a certain pleasure out of pleasing your partner. When your partner goes to that animalistic state and they literally have this intense orgasm, it makes you feel good. Make no mistake, Like, boy, I really did my job well. And if it doesn't happen, there's a certain feeling of like, oh, she didn't really get off like I'm accustomed to. So it's good for both partners to be able to see that and experience that. Yeah. And I think, you know, as a swinger, what I've realized is every girl has like a different cheat code. You know, like back in Nintendo when you have to do like up, down, left, right, A, B, A, B. Like that's every woman has a different combo to unlock that thing for them. And it's just you're just What I love the best is when the woman already knows what her combination is and she can just tell you like Hey, she's not afraid to tell you. Hey, do you got a vibrator or hey? I have a you know, I'm a vibrator. Yeah, because a lot of women have told me because I freely admit I'm a voyeur Absolutely. I don't try to hide it and early on in every relationship that I'm in I asked the person to masturbate for me and I know right away if she's uptight or be like, oh, yeah, that's great I'm really glad that you're over. Or sometimes, oh, my God, why would I do that? And I go, it's exactly what I tell people. Sometimes when I talk to you, I feel like I'm thinking out loud and talking. I say, listen, number one, I'm a warrior. I really enjoy it. But number two, we can either fumble around here for a month and I'll begin to understand and learn. I'm like a safe cracker, okay? Or you can give me the combo right now because if you masturbate, by and large, you're going to do exactly what makes you feel the best. I'm going to know. how to touch you, where to touch you, how vigorous you like to be touched. Because certain women are like, don't touch me directly on the clitoris. It's too sensitive. Other women are like, get a brick, put sandpaper on it. You know what I mean? That's 100% true. With men, it's pretty much the plumbing's outdoors. Everything's there. I've never met a guy ever in my entire life that went, I don't enjoy oral sex. There are certain women that are like, I like it like this. I don't like that I don't like this there are certain women are like really uptight about you going down on them yeah and so what I like to do is always say is that because you're uncomfortable because it doesn't feel right are you uncomfortable because you go there might be a scent or the taste and they'll go no one's ever asked me that before it is because of that I go well trust me if it's really nasty you're gonna see me coming right back up okay and maybe we have to address that particular issue but there's so lack of a communication for most people. Even with a partner they've been intimate with for a year or two years. So just like you said, it's like the little Nintendo code about how you do it. So I can either go and watch the video and crack the code and do this, or you can just show me. And I'm like, I know, you know, you like to be touched this way with this amount of pressure, you know, here, here, and here. And I've always felt that stuff like that brings couples closer. You know what I mean? If somebody masturbates and feels comfortable enough to let that guard down. Number one, I enjoy it. It's kind of like I feel like I'm getting my own private little video. Number two, it allows them to say this guy is nonjudgmental and he truly is focused on my pleasure. And it takes a certain amount of that just being uptight out of the equation. Yeah. For, you know, for what I've learned through the years that I really didn't realize as a younger man is that a lot of it is women do need to feel comfortable and safe in order to be able to achieve I guess communicating to them like that and letting them know that you're you know that you're open and you're you know you're very invested in their pleasure and you know you want them to have a good experience you could just put them in a state of mind that would make maybe make it easier for them it makes them relax I didn't realize until I really started asking and certainly this company we're running this company help me take it to the next level talking about sex on He needs to be comfortable. But a lot of women will tell me that with guys, just like you said earlier, you know, when you say to a guy, hey, I want to use a vibrator or whatever, they'll say, the only time I've ever said that, I get a very negative reaction. Why? Aren't I good enough? Oh, you mean I'm not satisfying you? And there have been women that say, I'm actually afraid to tell them how I want to be touched because the male eagle is so fragile. You know what I mean? That's true. Don't you realize I'm the greatest lover of all time? Oh, my God. You know, I'm so glad I was born a man. You know what I mean? Because dealing with men from a sexual standpoint has to be difficult. You know, you want to be good as a partner, but you don't want to be so good. I'll go, where'd you learn that? You know what I mean? That kind of a thing. And a lot of men still are uptight. You know, it's funny because I've never heard every man be uptight and go, I got to have the best bench press in the world. I got to bench press 400 pounds. I got to have the highest vertical lead. But when it comes to sex, no one will ever say, hey, you know, I need a little help. in this area. That would be looked at as perceived as a weakness or I'm less than the ultimate alpha male. I think part of self-actualizing and being comfortable with who you are is being realistic and saying, hey, I want to be the best for my partner. I'm willing to explore and listen and bring anything that helps me bring her to a higher level into our relationship. No, no, I couldn't agree more. All right. In these last couple of minutes, Lacey, do you want to go through some of this stuff? And there's some new stuff here. we should probably talk about. We are big, speaking of masturbation, we are big mutual masturbators. We do that a lot, yeah. We do that several times a week. Like, we'll fuck, and then when we get done fucking, we're like. Come together. Come together, yeah. So I saw this Go Solo self-play lotion for men, and I was really intrigued by this for the guys, because I, like, I've never seen anything. Right. Like, I mean, there might be stuff out there. I've just never seen it. So you just grab the Juergens or whatever. Yeah. That's exactly. You grab the Juergens, you grab the CER, CER, whatever that stuff is, and away you go. And it is a lotion. I actually felt it earlier when you were talking. Oh, and it's silky. Yeah, it is. Did you want to feel it? It's non-sticky. Yeah. There's nothing worse than a guy's masturbating, and the next thing you know, his genitals are just stuck. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like there's goop and everything on there. No, it's nice. Yeah, some lotions were like clump, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, it's nice. from too much friction or whatever. Yeah. And in talking to urologists, there's become, it shouldn't surprise anyone. We live in an era right now. Everyone wants to work remote. Yeah. Everyone goes to Uber Eats and Grubhub. No one even goes out of the home. Okay. Do you know the fastest growing segment, sexual wellness is the fastest growing segment in retail, but one of the fastest growing segments in sexual wellness is male masturbatory products, whether it's Fleshlight or Pocket Rocket, you know, all these different things. sent an email out to everyone who had ever bought a meal masturbatory device from us so as is my you know nature i started communicating with some of them and there's still certain men that almost feel like masturbating is almost shameful means i can't find a partner means i you know whatever so they're almost feel like oh i can't go get lotion and make you know this whole production out of it because it would mean i'm doing that on purpose it's almost like let me hurry up and get this over with you know that kind of a thing What we've tried to do is begin educating people in our customer base that even in a healthy relationship, masturbation is very much a part of getting to know you, getting to know your own feelings. And mutual masturbation should be a part of most people's relationships. So we've tried to tell people, enhance the experience. Literally take the time, set aside a half hour for a masturbatory session and really truly get in the mood, get the right products, the right lotion, to protect yourself, so you don't get chafed, you don't get calluses, you know, that kind of stuff. Number two, to give you the highest quality experience. So halfway through, you're not like, oh, my God, now I'm getting all this residue and my hand is sticking, you know what I mean? And I got all the clump of garbage on my penis. So we're trying to take that to the next level where men realize that even masturbation can be an erotic experience and not something you should feel shameful about, but something that you should plan on, enjoy it and make the most out of it. Could you imagine if we didn't masturbate? I was just sitting here thinking about that. We are big masturbators over at our house. I used to tell people that when I was in my teens that, you know, my nickname should have been, you know, the pocket rocket or whatever. You know, one of these things. I know that in the last 10 years, I don't masturbate. as frequently as I used to only because my refractory period of time meaning the time after having a orgasm till I'm able to do it again yeah I tell people when you're in your teens you're like a machine gun just firing bullets all over the place you can go six seven times in a 24-hour period of time then you get in your late 20s you're still good for you know four or five times in a 24-hour period of time then all of a sudden you're in your your late thirties. You're like, okay, twice, you know, sometimes once, you know, twice. I'm in my late sixties. Now I'm like a musket. You know what I mean? You know, I get a shot and then I literally have to wait. I have to have a workout, three meals, you know what I mean? Then I'm ready to go again. So especially if I'm in a relationship, I don't masturbate as often because I know that my time before I'm ready to again is going to be diminished. But up until I was in my, you know, 40s, I even in a healthy relationship, I'd still be masturbating quite frequently, you know, but that's diminished. But I think it's a very healthy part of anyone's sexual journey is masturbation. Who knows more about what pleases you than yourself? Yeah, no, that's so true. That's so true. And that's a, you know, instead of the delight spray, that's what we needed is the Like to make it faster. Yeah. Oh. Because that's something I've noticed in the swinger world, you know, because we always take Viagra and then a lot of times you're in like a public setting. I can almost never come in that situation. It's usually when I orgasm, it's like back in the room with Lacey because when I take Viagra, it makes it more difficult for me to come. But then you put me in a environment where there's lots of other people and lots of things going on and like easily distracted. Yeah. It takes me forever to come. Yeah. And some women take it like personal. Like they want to be able to make you come. Yes. There are some women that if I don't come with them, it's like they feel like they didn't do their job. And so they will like. I'm not one of those women. Like go out of their way to try to make me come. And sometimes I have to be like, hey, you're doing all the things. You are a rock star. You're doing all the right things. It's just not going to happen in this environment. You know. Every guy knows that they've been in a situation once or twice in their life that you're with someone. You're totally into it. But whatever reason. and you're not going to ejaculate that night. And there's nothing worse if someone's like, I don't care what happens, I'm making you ejaculate. You're like, wait a second, I'm getting chafed here, okay? I would love to as well as you would like me to, but I'm not going to get damaged over this, okay? Relax. We can wake up in the morning and go again, you know what I mean? But we're not going to get to a point where it becomes your life's mission, you know, for this to happen tonight, no matter whose detriment it comes to. We've heard a lot about now PRP and stuff. They put PRP injections into your penis and stuff to help re-stimulate nerve growth and things like that. I don't think there's a lotion or a pill that you can take for that kind of stuff. At least not that I know about. If you invent one, I'm sure you'll sell a ton of them. There are some things going on there in the male enhancement. There's all kinds of things. And people ask me about it all the time. And I always tell people, now, shockwave therapy, where they hit you with the waves and everything, and PRP, those are pretty extreme therapies. Now, if you have definitive needs and you have serious issues, those might be the only ways of addressing it, I'm all for that. But if you already have a robust, really good sex life, you're trying to take it to the next level, I would be kind of hesitant, to have invasive things like that, only because there's not that much upside if you're already sexually proficient, and there is downside. I tell people that. Anytime you're injecting anything into your penis or anything into your body for any of that sake, for every positive reaction, every drug that works, there's going to be a side effect. Some cases it's severe, some cases it's not, but I always tell people there's a difference between a lotion, a gel, a cream, you know, those kind of things, and doing platelet-rich platelet Plasma Injection Shockwave Therapy I'm all for those if you have a severe medical issue that you really can't achieve satisfaction and can't have sexual function you need to do everything possible but I always tell people be careful because if you're already you may look back one day oh my god I didn't realize this was one of the side effects and I didn't really need to do that and I took unnecessary risk yeah well that's guys will do some crazy things to try to make their dicks bigger I've realized yeah they will some of that stuff out there is scary. And, you know, like guys having surgery and putting extenders in and all, like you said, I can't. There's something called a Pneuma implant or girth. And I saw it advertised and I'm like, I can't imagine that because the side effects are horrific. Can you imagine losing function? And one day you go, I was pretty good to begin with. I was just going to that 99th percentile. You know, that's why if you want to go to the next level with a cream, a lotion or something that's not sustainable, Hey, have at it. You know what I mean? There's no downside, but it'd be like saying I already have $2 million, you know, but I risk it for another 10 cents and I might lose my $2 million. Don't ever do that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, you do see some guys, you know, I think that's like something that's not talked about enough. And even Lacey having an only fans, the amount of guys that will pay her to tell them they have a good dick is crazy to me. Well, or pay them her to tell them that they have a tiny dick. Yeah. Yeah, that happens too. But it's, I think that's like a male insecurity that probably does not get talked about enough. It's a huge insecurity. It's guys and their dicks. Like it seems to be a huge thing. Yeah. I'll just give you an example. So I remember it was 2012 or 2013. I forget what year. It was one of the first years I took over the company. I was reading this poll. It was Cosmopolitan. And they asked 70,000 men, what would improve the quality of your relationship? And this was partners. both male and females. 78% of men said me having a bigger dick. Wow. They asked their partners, what would improve the quality of your relationship? 72% of women said a longer time of intercourse, having more time before my partner. If there's nothing that will show you how out of sync men are with what they need to do to be better lovers, 78% of men said having a bigger dick. Yeah. Where 72% of their partners are like, your dick's fine. You know what I mean? I would like you to last longer. I would like the duration of our intercourse to be a lot longer. There is, you know, I always tell people this. I'm kind of glad I'm 68 and not 28 or 18. Because back when I first started being intimate, there was no internet. There was no cell phones. There was no anything like that whatsoever. And I remember the first time I was intimate. You know, I lasted, I think, 37 seconds. I thought I was fantastic. I thought it was the greatest thing in the world. I was a 15-year-old, you know? I can't imagine being intimate now for the first time, having watched porn, and in my mind thinking the average penis is nine and a half inches long and has a beer can. The average man lasts 45 minutes right before he climaxes. He jumps off, runs across the room, and shoots a woman in the forehead from 15 feet away. You know, I would be this raging bundle of insecurity. You know what I mean? Like sometimes ignorance is bliss. Being naive has a plus. Yeah. Well, that almost makes me wonder, you know, that you say that if you're talking about how masturbatory aids are like the number one growing sales area. Well, I wonder if it's because people are having sex with each other less than sex with themselves more because of things like porn. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of young people that don't leave the house anymore. They work remote. They get Grubhub. They get Uber Eats. That would be lazy if she could. They don't even fucking want to go out and date. It's like, I take care. I never leave the house. Right. I got five OnlyFans subscriptions to all these hot girls. And I got a lot of lube. So I'm good at home. I got everything I need right here. I don't have to leave. Yeah, probably cheaper. How much money I would save if that's the route I went? You know, it'd be a lot cheaper. But nowhere near as much fun. Yeah, guys. So if that's you, if you're listening and you're sitting at home and just masturbating and ordering Grubhub, get out there. Yeah. Sex is fun. It's worth it. I promise you. I'm all for social interaction. I love flying, meeting new people. I love going to a restaurant, sitting at the counter, watching a sporting event, having lunch and, you know, just meeting new people. I just, I don't know. I just, I really, I love to learn new things. I love to, even if it is a different viewpoint from my own, I'd love to hear other people's take on just life. in general, let alone, and then obviously, when it comes to intimacy, I've never been married, and I'm 68, so I've had quite a few partners ever in my life, and I think I learned something from each person that I interact with, you know, in every aspect of my life, but particularly from a sexual aspect, and I'm always curious as to what someone else's journey has been like, you know, that type of stuff. I've been with a couple women in my life that were really hypersexual, and almost universally They had some type of abuse in their sexual abuse in their early life. And they that their hypersexuality, I think, comes from a validation they get from having regular sex. And there's just so many things like that that fascinate me that you would never, ever put together. But your life experience, you know, because I'm always like, you know, if someone's like, hey, we have to have sex two or three times a day, I'm like, wow, that's, you know, then sometimes you're like, well, that'll probably once we're in a relationship six months. or eight months to start. And you're like, wait, this isn't waxing and waning at all. This is the expectation. And I'm always, oh, have you always been this? And then they'll really, you know, tell you in a moment, yeah, you know, I was abused by a friend of my father's, blah. And that always stuck with me. And one of the ways that I get over that is when I'm in a good, loving relationship and I have positive intimacy, it kind of helps me. I feel like wipe away the shame and everything of this. And I think that life in general is a learning experience. And there are certain things that the more times you experience a certain situation, you begin to understand it a little bit more and you get to have a little more knowledge of what's behind people's behavior, what's behind people's actions. And in some cases, it can help you break through to other people that might have similar experiences but might not be willing or open to share it. You might be able to bring it up and say, hey, something like this ever happened in your past? and it might actually help open doors to them. I've always liked being a mentor. I was a big brother before I became a father. And I am thinking about getting re-involved in the big brother program right now because I think one of the best things in life is to take your journey and have someone else who's about to start on a similar journey and say to them, hey, traditional thinking is you got to go here, but let me give you the shortcut. Let me give you the cheat code. You know what I mean? Yeah. Let's get there as quickly and as uneventful as possible because you're much able to get to where you want to be and where you're in enjoyment without some of the pitfalls that I had to endure. No, I couldn't agree more. And the Big Brother programs, I did that when I was in high school. Did you? Yeah, you had to do so many volunteer hours or something in my high school before you could graduate. And that was one of the opportunities to volunteer. And I thought that was a fantastic program. So yeah, definitely look into the Big Brother program. Of course, that was 30 years ago for me or 20 years ago. I've had some really good role models. I had a wonderful father. a bunch of uncles and people that were really good human beings. And I remember I looked up to them and I've lived a really good life. And, you know, people generally find me very ethical and hardworking. And I know that that was instilled in me because of the role models that I had. So I did it initially when I joined the Big Brother program was to show my father and mom how much I appreciated what they had done for me. And then I really enjoyed it. And I have a great relationship with my son and all of his friends. A lot of his friends call me for advice, even though they have fathers. It's like, hey, you know, can you help me out? You're successful and bright and intelligent. And I think I've been to seven or eight weddings. My friends and my son, they have a wedding and people go, you're here. Aren't you busy? And I go, if someone invites me to that special day in their life, I feel honored and I'm going to go there and attend it because I feel it's really special. And I think that if someone wants me to be there and feels like I'm that part of their life to invite me, then I'm going to take the time to go travel and go to that wedding. Awesome. All right. Well, I think we're about out of time, Jeff. So if our listeners want to get Promescent products, they can go to theswingnation.info, click on the Recommended Apps and Products button, go down, hit the Promescent link, and all this stuff that we talked about here today will be there available for them. Is there anything else that you'd like the Swing Nation listeners to know before you go, Jeff? Yeah. One thing that I always wrap up and I tell people, we're very comfortable. We're set up as a company. We don't care if you buy it on Amazon, you buy it at Target, Walmart, CVS, our website. But I always tell people, go to promescent.com. That's P-R-O-M-E-S-C-E-N-T because we have blogs and we have testimonials and we have physician testimonials where they show you how to dose the product, how to properly to use the product, all that type of stuff. Our goal is to see how many things we can sell to as many different people as possible. It's to have people to buy the right product for the right reason. So do your homework, go there, listen to these doctor testimonials. We have blogs on every subject possible. And then to use it correctly, to increase the probability you're going to have a good experience with it. We certainly have a full money back guarantee if you don't. But my goal is for you to have a satisfactory experience and to use it and become a regular user. And to then explore some of the other products to help you be better in bed and have better intimacy. The way to do that is to, number one, buy the right product for the right reason, and number two, to use it correctly. And to give you the highest probability of doing that, start at the website. Once you determine what product you want and how to use it, you can buy it wherever. We're set up. We don't care. We're, you know, non-denominational in that regard. Wherever is most convenient for you. But I want to have the highest probability you're buying the right product. for the right reason and using it correctly. So that's why it's good to go there, read the blogs, read the doctor testimonials, read some of the tutorials on how to properly use and dose the products. It gives you the highest possibility of having success. That's great advice. And we definitely appreciate you coming on. I think we probably shouldn't wait three years before we do this again. No, I'd love to do it before three, four years. And thank you for being. Who knows where you guys will be? You might have your own studio in Hollywood. Oh, man. Oh, man. Thank you all for being such a great supporter of the Sweet Nation podcast. If anybody's ever been to an event, their products are always in our swag bags. You've seen us. Dan uses the condoms for all of his games and anything like that. So we appreciate all of y'all for you for always supporting us. Yeah, we've been really lucky in that aspect that we've met some good companies over the years and had genuine. We have a lot of actual relationships with our sponsors. And you guys have been there from the beginning. and definitely appreciate everything that you've done, not only for us, but for the community. I know, you know, all the Swinger podcasts out there that you guys take part in, all the lifestyle events that have, you know, your lube and your condoms and, you know, that stuff you guys provide. You definitely have been probably one of the bigger supporters of this community as far as from a company standpoint. So we definitely want to thank you for that. It's a great community. I just wish I would have discovered it earlier in my life. You know what I mean? There's still time, Jeff. There's still time. I wish I wasn't early 60s. The people, by and large, in the swinger community are just so hospitable and they're so open and welcoming. And you know what I like about it? There's none of this competition. I don't want you to be on anybody else's podcast. They share. I've had people call, oh, Carol and David told you to come here. They're blah. You know, Brian and Brenna said that, you know, and I'm like, wow. That's because you, you want to grow the entire segment, the entire community and everyone better. Right. Bigger pie, not a bigger piece. of the pies. Always the goal. That's exactly right. Bigger pie, everyone's slice gets bigger. Yep. 100%. Well, we appreciate you being here, Jeff. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. All right. Well, I think with that, in a world full of apples. Be the pineapple. Be the pineapple, guys. Bye. Bye. If you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us, we have a five-star review wherever you're listening. If you want to see more of our content, you can find links to Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram, OnlyFans, more in the show notes. Come join the conversation with us and other Swinger content creators on our Swinger Society Discord server. If you have questions or feedback, email them to us at theswingnation at gmail.com. 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