Kink 101: From Spanking to Water Sports with Dr. Stoehr

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If you want to party with us and the other faces and names that you know from social media and TikTok, head on over to swingersociety.net. Can't wait to see you there. Hey there, Pineapple people, and welcome to the Swing Nation podcast. We are your hosts, Northern Guy. And Southern Girl. And we are back with another Swing Nation episode. We are. Full length. Yeah. No Tuesday talking. We're full talking. Yeah. And we got Dr. Storr digitally zoomed in with us. She's back. Hi, guys. Good to see you again. And today, We're going to get a little kinky. We're going to mix it up a little bit. We don't talk about kink. No. We've been talking a lot about hormones and libido. And we've talked about flora and fauna and all of those things. But with this episode, we're going to get a little dirty talk with the doctor. Dr. Dirty Talk. Could you change your name to Dr. Kinky or something? Could it be a... You know, we talked to that Dr. Sex Fairy. That's a pretty good... Yeah. It's like a pretty good tagline. Yeah. I like it. I like it. Yeah. Right now what's on my website is the Vagina Virtuoso. Oh. That's pretty good. That is pretty good. Yeah. All right. So I've been texting. Me and Dr. Storm have been texting today. Yeah. Coming up with ideas. And we decided to talk about kink. And she's going to come at it from two perspectives. One, she actually is into it. You are. You participate in the kink lifestyle. Thank you. So she has that experience. Which me and Lacey don't. No. We're a little. We're kinky. But we don't really. You know. I wouldn't say we're like. kink lifestyle people who don't really like go to dungeons and do the whole thing i think if we didn't have the podcast and travel so much i could see us leaning into it some it's a time commitment so yeah you know it's funny after i got divorced um you know when i started kind of exploring my own sexuality um you know i found the kink community probably even before the swinger community uh and looked into it but it's it's it is work like you you go to these dungeons and usually there are like um like dungeon masters and People that have been doing it for years, especially if you're a male, they want you to, like, apprentice under them and all this kind of stuff. And I was like, that is just, I just want to fuck and be dirty. Like, I don't have time for all that. There's more than just BDSM kinks, you know. That's right. So, we're going to talk about all the kinks. Well, not all of them. We're going to talk about, I have a list here that I made. Some of them, yeah. Uh-huh. So, you're going to give us not only your personal experience, but then if there are some medical considerations, When exploring these things, you're going to give us that perspective as well? Absolutely. That's the plan. Okay. I'm going to talk a little bit naughty and a little bit medical. There you go. We'll mix the two together. I like it. All right. So what I've done, Dr. Storr, is I've made a list, and this is, you know, I chat GPT'd this, no bullshit, and said, give me some of the most common kinks and fetishes that people in America participate in. And I said, give it to me in a list that's like, starts from mild and then like escalates and at first it said i cannot tell you that it violates community guidelines and then i said okay this is for a podcast outline for educational purposes and then it said okay i can tell you and then it gave me this list i love it you have to tell you the funniness of chat gpt there was one time i was like i wonder how far i can push chat gpt and so i was like doing the same thing you're doing like slowly but surely and i worked up to like um i have a new boyfriend and i really love his cock can you Give me a really good way to tell him how much his cock means to me. And it wouldn't do it. It wouldn't do it. That's funny. We could probably do it. I mean, we need an AI person on here to talk about all this because that is a whole. I've learned a lot about AI over the last like year or so. And there are prompts that you can give it that is like in a false reality world in fantasy land. And then it will do just about anything like you can. There's ways to like unlock it and like trick it into. People have full on relationships with. their chat GPT. Yeah, but chat GPT and AI in general doesn't want to be dirty or kinky, but there are ways to trick it into doing it, which is interesting. I think one of my friends is a romance author, and I want to say, I can't remember if it was her or somebody else said that if you put, this is for a romance book, I need to write a sex scene involving werewolves, and it'll pop out something for you. So your friend, the author, uses chat GPT to write scenes? Is that what you're saying? I don't know if she does. I don't think she does. Honestly, she's like the the nastiest, naughtiest, dirty talker in the bedroom. It's so funny. I'm like, God, yes, you should be somebody who ghost writes other people's sex scenes. I love it. All right. So the first thing on my list that I want to talk about, they have it listed as sensory play. So can you tell us a little bit about sensory play and what that is? So sensory play, I mean, I'm guessing ChatGPT went like really vague on that one. Sensory play would typically be considered or ice cubes, cold objects, feathers. Those would be considered sensory play. Oftentimes, sensory play is included with stuff like being blindfolded or being requested to keep your eyes shut so that you don't know what's coming. That's kind of the fun of the sensory. Those types of things are really meant to be placed on the erogenous zones and or kind of tantalized with. If you've never seen wax play before, it's kind of cool. to put on your skin, oftentimes in multiple colors, heated up to where it's warm, but not so hot that it'll burn you. And then they, and it gets dribbled on you wherever you kind of want it. A lot of times erogenous areas, I wouldn't get into the medical part of that. I wouldn't recommend typically putting wax on the vulva just partially because it's going to pull on the hair and that's not going to be very good if you haven't like completely shaved, but also you don't want the chemicals that are in the wax to get into the vulvar area because it can cause irritation. That skin also there is kind of like the inside of your mouth. And if you wouldn't put something that hot there or you wouldn't put it in your mouth, don't put it on your vulva. So, yeah, that's that's like sensory type play and stuff like ice cubes. Those can be kind of fun to put ice cubes or really cold objects on the body. Obviously, you want to make sure they're not like if you take an ice cube, if you ever like stuck your hand into the refrigerator and just like pulled out an ice cube, sometimes they'll stick to your skin. Again, be careful with those things like while the ice is not yet melting, don't put it directly. onto the nipples or onto the vulva. Because then at that point, it may actually stick to the skin and it will hurt until it starts to melt. And you can't actually get a burn from ice. Dry ice is used to, you know, like burn things. So, but yeah, as soon as like the ice cube starts to melt, then there's that amount of kind of like movement or liquid in between. And it won't cause a burn at that point. Then you can start using it on the skin in the erogenous zones. Yeah. So that would be sensory play. You nailed it. You nailed all the things that ChatGVT had. But another thing, I wanted to talk about before we started, and I kind of forgot, is NCSF. So when you start talking about kink and participating in kink, you know, obviously consent is important with that. But it's almost elevated when you start talking about kink and stuff like that. Because some of these things that you're doing can be downright dangerous, especially if you don't know what you're doing. And then second to that, and I was looking actually at NCSF's website last night, is there some legal things to consider? And I think on their website, they said there's 20, states still that don't differentiate between like sexual assault um like real sexual assault and if you've given consensual like if you're having kinky sex um so if you were having kinky sex with somebody and then the next day you know and they consented and everything but then the next day you've now maybe left marks or bruises or something on this person because you had consensual kinky sex next day you get in a fight and then they go to the cops and say hey this thing happened they fully admit that they consented to it you could still get charged with assault charges and things like that in some states so which i never even had thought about that like i'm like well as long as they consented you're good to go right like they consented so you're you're good but in some states there is no like consenting for assault you know i mean like typically it doesn't matter assault laws again not being a lawyer here in most cases assault laws you have to require that um charges be pressed by the person who was assaulted but not all states do Yeah. So again, if you're getting into this, NCSF is a great resource for anything sexual. But they have specifically consent to kink. They have some of the state laws. And if you're in one of these states where it's more concerning, I think they give like some practical advice. So I just wanted to kind of caveat while we before we talk about all this, that that's a great resource. Can you put that in the show notes so people have access to that? Yeah, I will. I'm trying to remember the website off the top of my head, but I can't. But maybe you can Google it. But yeah, they do have a website. You can go to. with all those resources. Okay, so that covers sensory plate. Now, the only things that you were saying, you know, the wax and the ice and things like that. I've even seen, like, people talk about using, like, popsicles and stuff as dildos. Now, because we've talked to you, right, if there's anything with sugar in it, you want to avoid that in your vagina, right? Dan, you've learned so well. Don't forget sugar in your vagina. Good job. Yes, no. Popsicle is absolutely not for a dildo. If you want to use cold inside the vagina, which there are people who absolutely love that, again, what I would recommend is using just straight water or even a water-based lubricant. A lot of the water-based lubricants will freeze, and you can put them into a mold, a Popsicle mold. You can buy Popsicle molds on Amazon. They're cheap. That's a good content video idea. Yeah, it is. I will say that we tried that one time with a glass dildo. Oh, yeah. We put it in the freezer, I think. And we weren't live on OnlyFans. And so Dan goes and gets the dildo and, like, starts rubbing it. I'm assuming, like, on my clit. And I was dying. And, like, I was live. And so I was, like, trying to not be, like, get that fucking thing off of me. But also, like, get that fucking thing off of me. It was twofold, yeah. That's the problem with glass. That's why I didn't necessarily suggest it. Yeah. You can. The problem with glass is it gets very, very, cold. Yeah. And if you put something like that against sensitive skin, it burns. So maybe the fridge, not the freezer? Or maybe leave it out for a few minutes or rub it on your hands to kind of let, you know, something like that. That was just such a sensitive area just in general. And then just putting that on there was really rough. Yeah. To say the least. Another thing that I had tried, but I haven't done a lot of kink stuff, but we, one time we were in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Is that where it was? And there was a dungeon master. And he was doing the wax play. And I got to do that demonstration. I love heat and warmth. And oh my gosh, I love that so much. They poured all of the, it was like neon color waxes on me. Now with that, there is a specific wax that they use. And then there are specific wax warmers that they use that are sent to. So do not go out and buy candles and light them and drip that onto your partner. You will burn them. It's a very specific thing, yeah. But, like, because I enjoyed that so much, like, we've been to several, like, Adam and Eve sex shops and some of those. They will sell the, like, ones that you can, like, it's actually a real candle that you can light and it just doesn't get that high. Yeah, they have special candles. So, definitely, if that's something that you want to do, you don't want to get all of that equipment, you can still do it. Just don't start pouring candles. Yeah, they're often labeled as massage candles. Oh, yeah. Honestly, you can get a massage candle at a regular grocery store. You know, they just don't realize people are using it for sexual purposes. Yeah. Yeah, no, a massage candle will absolutely work and those are safe to put on the body. They won't get too hot. Basically, you need a wax that melts at the right temperature. You want it to melt against the body temperature so that it doesn't get too hot. Okay. Yeah, my thing about wax play being on the other side, I have never had wax play done on me, but I have watched it done on somebody else and I was like, I want to peel it off. Yeah. So if you have a kink for like, you know, peeling your sunburns. Oh. I mean it kind of turned me on peeling wax off of a naked person yeah I would yeah same same I can totally relate to that yeah all right next on our list is bondage light it says light bondage so I don't know if we're going to get into heavy bondage later but it says light bondage so when I say light bondage to you doctor store what is that what kind of things do you think we're talking about So I would consider light bondage, although I'm sure there's like semantics with this, and I don't know what those are. But my idea of light bondage would be like handcuffs in front of you, not behind you, that you can unlock yourself or that are just like, you know, clip-ons. Or like being tied to something that's not so hard that you can't unwrap it yourself. Like a silk. Yeah, like a silk. Yeah, like a silk tie. Or fuzzy handcuffs. Yeah. That would be probably considered light bondage. Would it be more of like an implied? Yeah. Implied restriction. Yeah. And that's exactly what it says. It says like symbolic or physical restraints with minimal risk. So in things that you can easily get out of. So it says handcuffs, scarves, ropes around the wrist. And then it just says for safety, you know, keep safety scissors handy. Yeah. Just in case. Yeah. It's never a bad idea to have scissors handy, especially if you're using something that could potentially be restricting enough to cause like injury. You know, there's kinks that are obviously a little bit more dangerous than others, and some of those involve, like, restricting airflow. So if somebody is, like, you know, going to put a tie around your neck and tie it to the bed, it's probably important that you have some safety scissors hanging around just in case because, you know, heaven forbid, if you fall off the bed and you can't get it untied, that could be problematic. Yeah. So definitely when you're tying people up, being able to get them out of that quickly can be important. Like, heaven forbid, what if you, like, have a heart attack and you're, like, Oh my gosh. Bonded up. And then like the EMS gets there and they're like, I can't do compressions because this person's like strapped in. Yeah. Hanging from the ceiling. Yeah. Yeah. Cut me down before EMS gets there. Please just cut me down. I don't even care at that point. Just get me out of the way. I don't care if I'm naked. They're going to strip me down naked anyways. But please let me not be hanging from the ceiling by a rope. Yeah. Like hogtied or something. Could you imagine? God, that would be awesome. Yeah. And so I guess the biggest thing with restraints is like you're saying, don't restricting blood circulation and or air flow circulation. Those are the things you have to be most careful with. But yeah, light bondage would not be anything that would potentially restrict air flow or blood. Correct. Okay. Anything else for light bondage that you would talk about? Not that I can think of. What are we going on next? Okay. Next, we have impact play. Yes. Impact play is kind of what people would consider like light BDSM. be considered light impact play um probably not gonna allow stuff like floggers or paddles for light impact light impact is going to probably just be hands only and not hitting hard enough to like leave marks um yeah or like like soft objects some floggers have like the velvet or something like that so maybe like a soft yeah i think with impact play especially like you're saying light impact play hands and then there are some you know there are like feathers a flogger, you know what I mean? Or very lightweight floggers. I don't, you know, when me and Lacey started, first started, you know, exploring this and going to events and stuff like that, you know, floggers I always thought were like all made of like heavy leather and like were very like, you know, rough and tough. A lot of those, it's very light, you know what I mean? And you can swing them what you think is pretty hard, but the actual impact that they're making because the material is so lightweight isn't that heavy on them. on the person. There were some floggers where I could like swing it almost as hard as I could and it would not be painful to you. It gives a sensation but not like a painful one. Yes. And I didn't really like the amount of different floggers that are out there is endless. Like I think if you can think of a material somebody has probably made a flogger out of that material. Like they have them out of everything. One of my good friends, not talking light impact play here, makes his own floggers. And he's made them out of like the hoses that firemen use. Oh, wow. A wrapped over piece of that like knitted hose. Holy cow, that packs a punch. I bet. Okay. So that's light impact or light impact play. Next on my list is restraint and control. And this says increased restrictions and has some type of submissive element. and this is getting into like shibari and rope bondage and things like that yes it says um you know whoever is administering this should be professionally trained yeah i mean it's always recommended to be trained if you're going to be doing restraints that could potentially be dangerous so yeah if you're shibari you know tying somebody up in ropes um and like braiding them and that kind of stuff you should probably know what you're doing because if you put it in on wrong or incorrectly you could restrict blood flow is really the biggest problem with like being um rope play uh The other thing about that, I mean, if you're tying ropes up gently, like in the front and just like wrapping around a little bit, you're probably okay, but you should probably be trained if you're going to be doing anything extensive, especially if you're going to be restraining people with their hands behind their backs, because then that obviously pulls in a rather intense element of submission and control. There's a lot of people, again, we're kind of getting into the BDSM sort of stuff. There's a lot of people that really enjoy being in control sexually, and a lot of people that really enjoy being out of control sexually. or giving up control. And it, you know, oftentimes it's not necessarily the people that you would think, like you would think high power lawyer, they're going to want to be, you know, dominant in bedroom. And, you know, they tend to be the ones that want to be tied up and spanked. Yeah. It does seem interesting when you, you know, even my experience when I was a single male and engaging with couples and singles, a lot of the people that have those high profile jobs where it's all on them and high stress, they, they, you know, if they, if they, are kinky. They like being submissive because they're not submissive in everything else in life. So they like having a bubble where they can be that, it seems like. Yeah, that's exactly where I'm at. I like to be submissive in the bedroom. I don't necessarily like to be submissive anywhere else, but I enjoy being submissive in the bedroom for that exact reason. I am literally, I'm a surgeon, I'm a doctor, I am in control of my world everywhere I go. I'm always the one who's in charge, the last person to ask, you know, like buck stops here. When I'm in the bedroom and I want to relax and, you know, enjoy myself. The last thing I want to do is be making decisions. So I literally like potential partners, you know, like, hey, do you have any kinks? I'm like, I like to be manhandled in the bedroom. Any little thing, I weigh 135 pounds, pick me up, throw me under the bed, tell me what to do. Like, I don't, I don't want to be, I don't want to be making decisions in the bedroom. Can I switch? Yes. Will I spank someone? Yes. Do I get sexual gratification out of that? No. Are there times where, and I was telling you this earlier, there are times where I'm like this close to orgasm. I can't quite get there. And I'm like, can you just choke me? Yeah, just need to be choked. And there it is. That's what I needed. You know, I enjoy being topped in the bedroom. Because I don't, I don't get that opportunity anywhere else. Like I'm never the one who's just like, Oh, yeah, you know, I'll just let somebody else do it. I have, I have to do it. I have to do all the things I'm always in charge. So it's really nice to be able to not do that in the bedroom. So yeah, it's pretty common for people in high power positions to prefer to be submissive in the bedroom. And honestly, that's something I didn't know about myself until after we got into a lifestyle. And I was with a guy who was training to be a dom. And he was like, hey, can I practice on you? And I was like, oh, sure. After he started, you know, doing a little higher impact play, I was like, wait a second. I like that, you know. Yeah. So. So Lacey, I would say Lacey is submissive, right? You would say that. But you don't. Pain is kind of your line. Yeah. So you can basically. She likes being. I like giving control. Yeah. Toss me around, you know, be in control. Fuck me. you want, but don't hurt me. And don't put bruises on me at all. Yeah. There's kind of a fine line there. There's a difference between being submissive and liking to be impact played. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we were talking about, you know, Shabari and all that. So any, anything else to, so I guess this is much more. And when you talk about Shabari, have you ever been tied up? Will you explain what Shabari is for people? I really don't. I couldn't tell you. It's rote play essentially though, right? It's a very specific type of rote play. play that typically involves a naked person, usually a female, but not necessarily always being tied up with ropes and like it's very intricate. It's actually quite beautiful. If you've ever seen people like the braiding and the tying and the knots get very intricate. The thing is, a lot of times they're very restrictive. So like you need to trust the person who's doing it to you because they are going to tie you up in a ton of knots that you will not be able to get out of under any circumstance. They will have to untie you because those knots are so intricate that Unless you are trained in it, you can't undo them. Yeah. And I don't know the, I guess what I was saying is I don't know the origins. Like, is it, it seems like something. Yeah. I don't know where that word comes from or I don't, I don't know the details, but yeah, it definitely is. It is that intricate rope play kind of thing. And we, Lacey's talked about being interested in it before and I just don't have the patience. Like I just don't, I want to fuck. I don't, I don't, you know, because some of those take like hours to do, you know. They don't. Actually, one of my, one of my friends is like a Shibari master. It takes them about 15 to 20 minutes to do a rather intricate tie-up. Well, if you know what you're doing, it would take me hours to do the stuff that they're doing. Yeah, you would have to be trained. Have you ever been tied, like, Shabari tied up, suspended, anything like that? He's actually asked me if I wanted to do that sometime, and I probably will. I probably hit him up on that. I did it for a photo shoot, and I was extremely turned on. The guy was not lifestyle. Just, like, a kinky guy and does it, like, for... For photography. I think he... Yeah. Him and his wife, it together. And I was very turned on. It was very hot. It was, it was restricting. I think that's probably like the threshold for pain because it's not necessarily painful, but to have that rope against your skin, it. You can feel it. You can feel it. So it's, I, I loved it and I would, I would love to do it again. And a lot of people like now, not a lot. I've seen more and more women incorporating the knots and the rope in their outfits. I've seen them add them on top of it. I just think that is so beautiful. They'll make a little shibari bra or something to wear to a party. Maybe one day I'll go to YouTube or have someone teach me. I think that would be a really cool thing to add on top of lingerie at a lifestyle party or something. I just think it's so pretty. I'm actually surprised because you have high anxiety that you being that restricted doesn't make you feel anxious? I could see that in the wrong setting. I could easily panic. But in that day, like in that situation, it was like a private thing. There wasn't a lot of people. I didn't feel like, you know, like I could see if there was like a lot of people sitting there watching me or strangers I didn't know, stuff like that. But in the day I did it, I felt very confident, very good about it. So, but I can totally see if you have anxiety that being a little scared. It would depend on what kind of anxiety you have. Honestly, if your anxiety is like generalized anxiety disorder and you just kind of like randomly panic, it's not going to be any worse doing that. But if your anxiety is about being out of control, then yeah, it's absolutely like. Yeah, for sure. I would think. Yeah. So a couple of the things about bondage play again, you if you're doing shabar, you really want to have somebody who knows what they're doing and how to do it properly because you can restrict blood flow and you can restrict ability to breathe. If you do it too tight around the chest and they can't take a full breath, that can be dangerous. Anything that's tied around the. the neck region. Anything that's going to potentially be tied around genitalia or breasts, you need to be careful. The blood supply to the breast is actually fairly superficial up underneath the armpits. So if you're tying, you know, somebody up with their arms up above their head and it's like wrapped around their chest and up around their armpits, if you tie it too tight, you can potentially restrict blood flow to the chest region. The arms, the hands could potentially restrict blood supply to the breast if you don't do it properly. Yeah, it's one of those things where like sometimes that sensation of, hey, this is tight and this is too tight is a very fine line. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. Okay. All right. So next on our, our list, and I guess it's kind of going in the same, it's saying advanced impact play. So this is more than just spanking and light flogging. This is, um, this is probably going to be stuff. This is probably leaving marks. Yeah. Love devil's tongues. Um, like what is devil's tongues? Um, I can't, it may be a dragon's tail is another name for it. Is it something with like the knot on the end or something? a knot on the end, or it's a long wrapped piece of leather. Oh, okay. That when it's whipped, it actually, you know, kind of acts like a full on whip. Yeah. Yeah. And so that would be more high impact play or using like the paddles that are made out of stuff like plastic or metal that have metal barbs on them or anything like that, or hitting hard enough to leave marks that would potentially leave bruises. I will say I do enjoy that as well. Weirdo over here. No, if you didn't leave a mark it wasn't hard enough um yeah so i do enjoy that type of play i don't like my skin to be broken and this is where we'll get into some of the medical side of that um so stuff like dragon's tails or or um you know what have you can be or the you know the barbs at the end of the floggers or metal barbs on the paddles and that sort of stuff breaking skin obviously can be dangerous especially if you're breaking skin near the genitals um the that area of the body there's a lot of bacteria. It's near the rectum. The rectum has bacteria in it that can be very problematic to getting into skin wounds. So, I mean, your body does a pretty good job of healing that stuff up. If anybody's ever had, like, you know, an anal tear or, like, a vaginal tear during delivery, you know, that stuff heals up pretty good. But if you get a cut that's, like, further up, like, in your, the little butt crack called your gluteal cleft, you're, like, on the butt itself or up near the vulva and it gets bacteria in it from the gut, like E. coli, or like resistant enterococcus or something like that into skin tissue, you can get a pretty nasty infection from stuff like that. So I would say typically, you know, impact play, be careful if it's high impact player, if it could potentially break the skin to stay away from the rectal area and or the vulva. So people like to be like spanked on their on their vulva. And that's totally fine. You know, paddling on the vulva, spanked on the vulva. Yes, but don't put a barb down there because we don't want to break skin if we can avoid that. Yeah. So and also, I mean, even if you're If you're just breaking skin like on the backside or on the hips or backs, the legs and whatnot, you can get a skin infection from any type of open skin. There have been times where I've been whipped before and there was just a little bit of a, you know, broken skin. And like the guy who did that was like super, he was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that I actually broke your skin. I'm really, really sorry. And I was like, hey, it's okay. Don't worry about it. I'm a doctor. I'll, you know, take care of it. But I did bandage it properly because I didn't want to get an infection. You know, so if you do happen to get an actual like skin tear or open skin, especially if it's anywhere near your rectal area, you want to make sure that you take care of that. Yeah, and I, you know, so we've met several people that are into impact, heavy impact play. There are girls that have asked me to spank them to the point where it's hurting my hand. I think of like, what is she calling herself now? California Unicorn, whatever her state name is now. She can, you can hit, you know, you can spank her as hard as you can, basically, and she will look you dead in the eye, not flinch and ask you to do it harder. Yeah. Which is, which is pretty hot. But is there, A slight of like breaking somebody's hip. Can you hit an ass too hard? Like, can you hurt somebody just from spanking them? Or is it as long as you're not breaking bones that it's fine? I mean, theoretically, yes. So you can actually bruise muscle. Would that be like dangerous? No, but it would hurt to sit for a hot minute. Yes. Can those hematomas get infected? Absolutely. Yeah. So you can do damage to the rump. It's one of the reasons that we spank on the rump is because it's much less you know if you're paddling in the back of somebody's leg and you do it too hard you can you know cause some pretty big damage there's a lot of like big nerves and blood vessels that run on the upper inner thighs and so you know being careful in those general areas um the the buttocks itself you know it's got three layers you know gluteus maximus medius and minimus you got all these muscle layers between the skin and anything dangerous so as long as you're saving it to the butt cheeks itself can you cause like some pretty impressive bruising can you break skin yes or you got every are liable to actually cause severe damage? Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. In some of the paddles, you know, so we've had BDSM demonstrations at our events before. Speaking of Shibari, we actually had a girl suspend herself blindfolded at Club Tempted. You know, she did a full Shibari tie up. I think she was upside down. And let herself down. And she did all that in like 20 minutes, probably, or 30 minutes, but pretty impressive. But anyway, we have had the people come and do some impact play demonstrations. And one of the paddles he had was like a six-foot-long solid wood. It looked like a beam out of your house. It seems very scary to me. And to see him use that on somebody was like, holy, how are you okay? I was worried about, you might break a hip here. At some point, something has got to give there. I guess that's why it's important to find somebody who is trained. That you're not just upping to siding one night. after having a few drinks. Oh, spanked the shit out of me with this huge fat. You know, I think you need to make sure you're doing this in the proper way. And I think it's like, it's two parts. Like you said, there are some subs that don't, they don't have a limit. You know what I mean? Like they will let you go to the point where you, you hurt them. So as the dom in that situation, you will almost have to protect that. Like, you know what I mean? They're not, they're not going to use the safe word. You need to be there. for it. You need to know where their limits are and not push them past that. Because some subs, they will not break. It behooves the sub to warn in those situations as well. So within the BDSM world, oftentimes, if you're in an actual contracted BDSM relationship, collared, what have you. I don't know if you guys have ever talked about that, collared. Not on the podcast, no. Okay. Yeah. So contracted BDSM relationships are often, you know, like definite dom sob. Those names are specific to those people, i.e. like if I was to call somebody else's dom sir, and that was the name that they use, that would be an absolute no, no. Like that would be offensive. And if they're collared, it means like they have some type of a necklace typically around their neck, or sometimes they'll even use like a bracelet or an anklet that either has a locking key or a specific type of lock. on it that can only be unlocked by the DOM. So it can be removed and, you know, not necessarily always, but usually these are actually contracted. So they have like a set of rules and they're listed down and they're signed. Not always. They can be verbal contracts to BBDSM DOM sub. But in those types of situations, those DOM sub relationships typically have been long term and they trust each other. If you're going to borrow somebody's DOM. That you have to be careful with that. If you're going to borrow somebody's sub, you have to be careful with that. So in situations, for instance, on the Bliss Cruise last year, I went to the Fungeon is what they call it, the dungeon on the Bliss Cruise. And one of my very good friends who I trust explicitly, she's like, here, borrow my dom. Because my husband doesn't really like to do the scenes on the ship. You may do it now that he's gone to the dungeon a couple of times. But he doesn't like to hurt me. He doesn't. And I'm one of those who do it harder. So she's like, here, borrow my dom, you know, just let him know what your limits are on the front end. And I did warn him. I was like, look, I'm, I have, you'll hurt me before I will say something like you'll probably, and that's, he is the one who actually accidentally broke skin. He felt really bad about it, but it's, you know, you got to be careful with that. If you're the sub, it behooves you to say, hey, look, you're going to be able to hurt me. You're going to have to read my body language because I'm not going to speak up. And it's that type of situation. It behooves the sub and or the dom to communicate in advance before you get into the scene and if the dom's like hey look you know I'm I will only push so far if I don't know you if we haven't you know had experience before you know if you ask me for more I may decline you know yeah that's important yeah like you said you know so bringing that back to the swinger role which is most people listening you know you're gonna find these dungeons at a lot of lifestyle events and things like that and they are gonna have some equipment nothing you know nobody's hanging each other from hooks from the ceiling you know like I've never at least I've never seen that. Now, if there's some experienced doms there, maybe, but a lot of time... They're probably more demonstrating it than they are just... So a lot of time, those spaces will have like a dungeon-type master or somebody that's been in BDSM and is just kind of there to help people explore and maybe to do demonstrations and things like that. And often, that person, if you are somebody that wants to be flogged or you want to be, you know, you want to do some kind of sensory play or something like that, that person will walk you through that. You know, they'll do that to you. if you're consenting and stuff to that. But it is interesting that you talk about, I'm assuming in those situations, since the dom doesn't know the person very well, it's just some random person that showed up. They're doing very, very basic light things just to kind of give the person experience. It is interesting that it does seem like the more, and this is true in swinging as well, the longer you know a couple, the further you can explore with them. It seems like in the BDSM world, the longer you have a connection between a dom and so, the more maybe extreme you can push some of these scenes yeah absolutely um there's a lot of trust that's involved in dom sub um partially because you know subs really are the ones that are in control and i know everybody like tongue-in-cheeks oh the subs the one who's in control but they really are because they can always stop at any time they can you know use their safe word they're also um you know the the dom really needs to be reading body language well in order to know that the sub still getting pleasure from it um you know there's it kind of I guess it's kind of funny a lot of people now call themselves pleasure doms and I'm like well really all doms are meant to be pleasure doms because if you're not creating pleasure for the sub why are you doing it the whole idea is for it to be a pleasurable situation for both involved not just for the dom to yeah so I guess is that label saying that they wouldn't do any like the impact play stuff yeah so they don't they don't want to hurt somebody when they say they're a pleasure yeah yeah exactly you know so I guess technically pleasure doms probably don't do the harder impact play but I mean I've seen which, again, were they trained? Probably not. Do some pretty high impact. So, yeah. But the fact is, as a dom, you really need to be good and preferably trained to some extent in order to be able to read body cues. There's a lot of subs running around out there. If you don't know us very well, you can hurt us before we'll stop you. Yeah. No, I think that's super important. So, I want to bring this back to swingers real quick because I kind of mentioned you need to find somebody that is trained and knows what they're doing. But let's just say you're just a couple and you are like this all sounds amazing and this is that thing I've been wanting you to do. I will say that some of the bigger events like a Bliss Cruise, Naughty in New Orleans, some things like that will actually have classes that you can go at least like intro to kink or and it's people that are professionals and you can go in and you can take these classes and learn from others. So that way you can be educated and you can be safe when you're doing all these things. Secrets has a fully functioning dungeon. They do munches. They do classes. They have meetups. Yeah, you can always go on a night that's not very busy if you really want to have a conversation and maybe really dive deep. I would not do it Saturday night at 11 o'clock at night because that's when everyone's going to be in there. But I definitely empower people that are in the lifestyle that if any of these things sound hot and kinky, and you're like, hell yes, I want to do it. It's up to you. You have to make sure that you are taking care of your partner and yourself and anybody you choose to play with. And so I just want to make sure that we are communicating that because we are by no means, Dan and I, I mean, are no experts here. We're learning just kind of like you are. And honestly, if we had more time, we would probably be in those classes too because I think it's super hot and would love to do it. Yeah. Yeah. You can actually like Google. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No. I mean, as I say, you can Google online and actually find like training online as well. Yeah. All right. I think now's the perfect time to take a little break and hear from the partners and sponsors of the Swing Nation podcast. And then on the back end of the break, we're going to get into some of the kinky stuff. Oh, we're not there yet. You got to remember our list keeps getting more and more. Yeah. So we're getting kinkier after the break. Okay. All right. Be right back, guys. Okay. Lacey, one thing I don't leave home without when going to a swinger event is my ED medication. That is correct. Performance anxiety is 100% a real thing. Having sex in an orgy room with 100 people in there is way different than having sex at home in your bedroom. It is. So I like to have what we call little insurance policy and have some of that ED medication in my pocket. that. And they actually just came out with a new product called the Shameless Duo. Yeah. Which is a combination medicine that has Viagra and Cialis in it. So that one, you can be ready whenever, but also it's got that dose that you can take when you're, you know, as you're getting ready to go to the playroom and you need that to kick in. Yeah. So I love it. I mean, I used it at Hedo for the first time and that combination. You've kind of pretty much switched to that, haven't you? That's basically what I use all the time now. Yeah. So if you're looking for ED medication, the lifestyle and you're going to an event, you might want to get some and have it just handy in case you need it. And the really cool thing about Shameless Care is they don't set you up on a reoccurring plan. So you're not going to get all of this ED medication that you have in your nightstand built up. When it's time that you need more, you'll get an email from them and they'll ask you, hey, are you ready for another round? And you can respond back. Yes, please refill it or no, I'm good right now. Thank you. So it's really cool because you don't end up with all these extra pills and spend a bunch of money that you're not, you know, you don't need to spend. Yeah. And my favorite part is you don't actually have to go into an office and talk to your family doctor or a military doctor. You can do it all right online from the privacy of your home. You just go to the website, you fill out some forms, the doctor reviews it, approves you, disapproves you, and you move on from there. So if you would like to get some medication, you can go to theswingnation.info. apps and products. Scroll down to the shameless care icon. Click on that and that's going to take you over there. There's some discount codes there for you so you can get a discount off your first order. But I highly recommend if you're going to some events or parties, go get you some lifestyle insurance. All right, guys, check it out. Lacey, the question we get asked on social media and TikTok more than any other question is how do I find lifestyle people, lifestyle events, Lifestyle Parties. Yeah. Lifestyle Cruises. Yeah. Lifestyle People. I think I already said that. Yeah. In my area. Basically anything lifestyle you need. How do I find it? You need to get on a Swinger website. And SDC is one of our favorites. It's really big here in the Southeast U.S. for sure. Yeah. And it has all the clubs listed. It has all the parties listed. Yeah. And you can find information on cruises. You can find our podcasts on SDC. Yeah. You can. risk-free. We have a free trial link for you. We do, yeah. So how do people go and find that free trial link? If you go to theswingnation.info and scroll to the bottom, you're going to find some of our favorite products and brands, and you're just going to click that link and go straight there. All right. If you guys want to find lifestyle people in your area, go sign up for SDC, completely risk-free, and see if it works for you. I agree. All right, guys. Bye. Go check it out. Lacey, if you're going to be a swinger, Yeah. You need to be a responsible swinger. I agree. And part of being a responsible swinger is getting tested on a regular basis. Yeah. Now, something I didn't know is not all STI, STD testing is the same. That is correct. Not every family doctor fully understands how you should be getting tested. That is correct. What one doctor thinks is a full panel, another doctor may have a completely different version of that. And being somebody in the lifestyle and engaging with multiple partners. What you should be getting tested for is probably, if you're not telling your doctor that, what you should be getting tested for is probably different than what they're thinking in their head. Yeah, because they don't know your lifestyle. Or even if they do know your lifestyle, there's a like, for instance, there is a new one called MGen. And we just recently met a doctor at a lifestyle party and said that she had never even heard about it. And so she was awesome that we had educated her on that. So a lot of these doctors don't, they don't know Right. So if you are going to participate in the lifestyle, you probably need to get tested from people that are meant to do this. Yes. So we use I Know My Status. It's the same people behind Talent Testing. It's a company that tests all the porn stars. So they're used to testing people that engage with multiple partners. They know all the latest on what STIs are coming up and spreading. And they track all the stats. I mean, they know. how to test people for STIs. They're the experts. They are. And if someone that you engage with, you know, if they have used I Know My Status, they can actually give you a QR code and you can scan it and you can see their results right on your phone so you can confirm everything that they're telling you. Yeah, 100%. So please, if you're getting tested, get tested the right way. We recommend using I Know My Status. You can go to theswingnation.info, recommended apps and products, scroll down to the I Know My Status icon and you can get a discount off your first test. But please, if you're swinging, if you're engaging with people in the community, please be safe about it. Go get tested. Yeah, because we want you to fuck like a porn star. For sure. All right, guys. Welcome back. Welcome back. Thank you for listening to our sponsors. I love your sponsors, just so you guys know. They're the best. She knew what I was going to say. She was going to say, Dr. Storr loves our sponsors. They do. They love our sponsors. Okay, so one other thing I thought about while we took that long extended break and listened to our sponsors. And we were talking about ways to find information. Yeah. Can you explain to me what a munch is? Because I think maybe some people, especially in the lifestyle, maybe have never. I think you might have stumped her. She said she hadn't been to a munch. But she knows what it is. I haven't been to one. I'm familiar with the idea. Let me look. Let me Google. I was wondering what it was. Definitive munch. Okay. Is that just like a meet and greet of. Yeah. And so, Dr. Sorrell, look it up. I'll explain. People within BDSM, kink, fetish, and kink and fetish activities don't usually take place. So basically, it's a meet and greet for people who want to do BDSM. So kind of like a swinger meet and greet where you don't have playrooms and stuff. It's kind of like you go and talk about all the things you want to do, but you're not actually doing this. Yeah, so I was active, you know, again, once I got divorced and was exploring all my kinkiness and my sexuality, I was on FetLife for a while and exploring some of that. I'm about to go find your old profile. You probably should. No, I came up with that name. I don't know what it would be. Anyway, if you look on there, if you're on FetLife and websites like that, I'm sure there's Reddit groups and pages for this kind of stuff. But most cities, most towns even, will have these local meetups where kinky people will come together. It might be at a Chili's or whatever. In our area, there's a couple bars that fairly often will host these kinds of things. They literally shut down the bar. for these specific events. And then like people who sell floggers and bondage stuff will actually show up and like have tables set up. Yeah. And so they're called munches and you can find them. So if you say you live in whatever town, if you Googled munch in my town, you'll probably find something. So it's another good way that, you know, you were talking about resources if you're interested in BDSM. It's a good way to connect with the kinky people in your area is to just attend a local munch. We should go to one. We should. I don't know if we want to do it in our town, but we could. We could. I don't know. I'm down. Whatever. While y'all chat, I'm going to Google it. Okay. So next on my list, this is humiliation play. So psychological humiliation play. So this actually does tie into the lifestyle, I think, because if you think about hot wifing, and then specifically within the hot wife lifestyle, cuck holding, There are several cuckold. I think, to me, the difference between just a hot wife couple and a cuckold couple is a cuckold couple the husband is into being humiliated in some way, shape, or form. At least that's my understanding of it. You're both Googling munches in your area. No, I Googled it, and it said that a munch is for people that are into pins. Into pins? Like pin enthusiasts. So I got jiggled. Because I was like, yeah. Anyway. Sorry, go ahead. It's a gathering of people who enjoy fountain pens and related accessories. Sorry. Well, kind of. Maybe put BDSM in there when you're Googling. I don't know. BDSM munch near me. Yeah, there you go. Munch near me, something like that. Yeah. That's a different set of people, fountain pen people. That's way different, yeah. Hopefully they don't accidentally. I bet if you shut up at a fountain pen thing in lingerie, though. Sorry, y'all. Okay. Humiliation play. All right. We're talking about humiliation play. Sorry, we're getting back on track. And I was talking about how in the lifestyle, cuckolding, usually there's some element of humiliation involved in a cuckold type relationship. Yeah. Maybe. Another thing that I... Cuckolding kind of implies that there's some amount of humiliation going on because the part or the primary partner is watching somebody else take their property. I give air quotes there. So there's kind of like an implied sense of that with cuckolding, but not necessarily always. Yeah, but there is a large group in the Sawyer community that is into humiliation play. There are guys that like to be told they have tiny dicks. There are girls, Lacey, that like to be told that when you're fucking somebody else's how much better her pussy feels than yours or how much you like it. That is a large element of the lifestyle that I think we kind of don't really talk about. We kind of pretend that we don't exist. We don't really think of that as like super kinky. It's just sort of as like you're just dirty talking. It just kind of happens. It doesn't seem like a thing. But if you don't expect it, it'll throw you off. I can think of one couple in particular. that that is their thing. She wants him to tell her all the terrible things. And she, talking to her, she's told us how they've been playing with couples and not communicated that prior to engaging. And the woman's like, what is going on? It makes a woman feel uncomfortable because she's like, you can't say that to your wife. The woman felt uncomfortable. For her, that wasn't her kink. She would have been pissed off if her husband had said that. You've got to think about it. If you're into this humiliation kink, you've got to forewarn another couple. Here's the situation. You are fucking this girl's husband. Then you're telling your husband how much better his cock feels than your husband's does. All this kind of stuff. Well, meanwhile, this guy's wife is trying to fuck your husband. Like, you know what I mean? So like, oh, your little tiny dick doesn't feel as good as his big giant dick. Well, if you're the other wife, you're like, hey, wait a minute. I'm getting a tiny dick? What? Yeah, so we have a very good friend. We're not going to name names. They know who they are. He loves being told that he has a tiny dick and that is their thing. And we are very familiar with it. And when she does it around us, I get extremely angry. It goes against everything that I've been taught as a woman about men's dick size. And I'm like, no, you have the biggest dick here. I don't know what she's talking about. Like, I feel like I need to overcompensate for her. Well, and as an OnlyFans creator, there are guys that want you to tell them how tiny their dick is. There are guys with big dicks that want Lacey to tell her or tell them how tiny their dicks are. Yeah. So it's a humiliation is definitely a thing, a kink. It is a thing. It's actually kind of My husband one time had a partner. She was like, just to let you know, sometimes when I'm orgasming, I get like Tourette's. And I'm going to tell you to fuck off and that your dick is tiny. That's hilarious. So she'll tell any guy that their dick is tiny just because it makes her come? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I don't know how I would take that if you're about to come. My husband doesn't want to be told his dick's tiny, but if she's going to get off doing it, he'll put up with it. It was really funny. I was like, she's like, I kind of have Tourette's. I'm about to come. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, humiliation play is actually really common. It's fairly common in the lifestyle. You know, being told, there's certain things that are probably, like, less common. Like, men being told they have tiny dicks is actually super common. Women being told their tits are tiny or that they're, you know, like, her pussies are loose. Or like a dirty little whore. I mean, that's even, you know. Well, a dirty little whore, that's just dirty. Well, I know. But for somebody that's not in the lifestyle. That's how you talk to each other. What are you talking about? Listen, I totally agree. But if you are a vanilla couple, this is your first podcast that you're listening to. Because to be honest, when I first started in the lifestyle, if somebody asked me what I was into and stuff, I actually would communicate to people, don't call me names. I don't want you to call me names. Which is quite hilarious. Now I'm like, call me all the names. Real names. Yeah. So I can see if you're a new couple. something like that would probably throw you off. Yeah. No, I can see, you know, like you're saying that guys, the tiny dick thing, for women, a lot of women like to be told they're sluts or they're dirty or they're, you know, they're little whores or whatever. A lot of women enjoy that kind of play, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I would say there's a Dom that I know of that specifically when he was doming me for the first couple times, he's like, what do you want me to call you? Do you want to be called a slut? Do you want to be called a whore? You know, what do you want to be called? And I was like, I don't know. Maybe just call me a bitch because that's true and I'm more comfortable with that. That's kind of hot. Maybe you should call me a bitch. Maybe we should do that tonight. You should try it. I feel like it might feel good, to be honest. Well, I mean, it's like I was like, that's the one thing that's true. I know. Now I'm probably a slut and a whore. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. I got another humiliation thing. You're like charging money for it. But a slut, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So another humiliation thing that probably doesn't get talked about in the lifestyle, but I know is definitely happening, pee play. Oh, yeah. Pee play is definitely water sports pee play. That is, It's definitely something that people in the lifestyle are into. It definitely happens even between couples, I think. It doesn't typically happen in like a playroom. No. That's going to be more of like a private. Behind closed door kind of thing. Yeah. But it's definitely a thing. If you're into water, water sports are actually pretty common as well. It's actually a fairly common kink. A lot of, especially men, like to be peed on. And I don't know why that is. Yes. I think there's maybe some crossover psychologically with squirting. And so I think maybe the guys, who are into water sports also really tend to get very off on women who squirt there's probably some psychological like overlay there but yeah water sports are really common some women like to be peed on as well um and i mean honestly if we're talking about water sports it's probably one of the uh least dangerous things to be into i mean you know we were talking earlier about you know like if you get a wound on your backside like if you happen to be in a water sports have your partner pee on it at the same time because you know pee sterile and actually will kill bacteria oh wow right Yeah, they used to use urine to clean out wounds back when. Yeah, and I think people think of urine as dirty, but it is one of the cleanest things that your body produces, which is kind of crazy. Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely clean. Technically, if you don't have an infection at the time, so you don't have a urinary tract infection, your urine is sterile by default. It's not technically sterile. There is a microbiome inside the bladder. So I say sterile. It's not really sterile. There's a microbiome in there, but that microbiome is actually very safe for all parts of the body. So, you know, like, here are these people who get, like, stuck in the ocean and they're in salt water and they can't drink anything and they drink their own pee and everybody's like, oh, my gosh, are they going to get sick? Like, no, absolutely. It's totally safe to drink your own pee and get the rest of the water out of there. Your body will just flush out the byproducts that it needs to. A lot of the stuff that goes through the kidneys is more like breakdown of chemical products that are not dangerous to body, not necessarily bacteria. Bacteria gets shuttled out through the gut, not the bladder. So, yeah, bladder, like, water sports are actually quite safe. See, I don't like being peed on or peeing on anybody, but I do like watching girls pee for whatever reason. You do like that. I used to get Lacey to pee in her panties. We're getting a little dirty here. I used to get Lacey to send me videos of her peeing in her panties, like stand in the shower, put on white panties, and just pee. I don't know why I like that, but I really do. I mean, a lot of people don't know why they like the kinks that they like. Psychologically, I understand why I like being sub in the bedroom. That makes sense because I'm in charge everywhere else. I'm making her do something dirty. I'd usually make her pee in her panties and then masturbate and cum. And I know that it was almost like a mind game for her because she peed in her panties. Now she's dirty. And so cumming is a little more difficult for her to do. So it's kind of like a little bit of a psychological thing. Yeah, it does not turn me on to pee in my panties for you. But I do it for your pleasure. I mean, we haven't done that in a long time, but I would do it for your pleasure. And then, yeah, it's like cum after I've done it. I think I would get turned on knowing I was turning you on so that definitely. Yeah. There's a lot of compersion involved there. Yeah. Yeah. Do you like pee? Have you ever got any pee kinks? I've never peed on anybody. I don't think. Do you think you would enjoy that? We have a few friends that would love you to pee on them. I know that. I would do it. You seem like more of a person who would pee on somebody than being peed on. Oh, nobody's going to pee on me. Nobody's going to pee on me. I'm the same way around. I have been the giving person in water sports. Yeah. But I would. It doesn't do anything for me. And it's like, it takes me a minute to be able to like, okay, I got to pee on this person. It's like, yeah. To pee on someone is like tough. Yeah. Even like peeing when Dan's watching me pee sometimes, like I feel pressure to pee. So then I can't pee. So I don't think I would get any sexual satisfaction from it. But I think I would get like an ego boost, which, you know, we always love that, you know, because I'm like. Yeah. Take my pee, bitch. Yeah. I think that would be fine, but not like a sexual thing. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Okay. And then we can touch on this briefly just because you had mentioned it when we text. Scat play or poop play is a thing. It is a thing. Yeah. It's probably. What is scat? It's poop. Okay. Scat's poop. Okay. Yeah. Actually, like. Way less common. I don't know anybody that's into it that I know of, but it's. I do. Oh, I'm sure there are. I was about to tell the story. I had a patient who was like, I think I've got an infection here. And I was like, why would I be looking at this? And she's like, well, we were chili dogging. And I was like, I'm going to have to Google that. I don't know what that is. I can only put two and two together. Is that pooping between somebody's boobs? Is that chili dogging? And taking your dick and rubbing it. Oh, my gosh. Yep. I mean, I'm not yucking anybody's yum, but that is pretty yucky. Take the penis in there and use the penis as the lubricant. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's chili dogging. Oh. Yeah, I had to look it up. Like I said, I was like, oh, it's not what I know. Now, I would imagine there's- That's a bad idea. Let's not put poop on places. Well, I was going to say, I would imagine from the medical standpoint, that's got to be a very dangerous thing to engage in. It's definitely a little bit more of a dangerous game. Yeah. So poop is associated with all the bacteria. Yeah. Bacteria that you really don't want to get in your mouth because then we're talking stuff like, you know, E. coli, C. difficile colitis and whatnot. If you, you're supposed to have some of that bacteria in your gut, when you put it in the wrong parts of your gut, like your mouth and your upper gut, it can cause severe infections. It can be life-threatening ICU admissions kind of thing. Poop is also, because it's got a lot of bacteria in it and a lot of byproducts of chemicals that are irritating, tends to be very irritating to the skin. So poop play, yeah, like you don't want to get it in your urethra as a guy or as a girl, preferably, because you're going to cause urinary tract infections. And sometimes those can be really tough UTIs to treat. Most common UTI is actually E. coli because it comes from the gut and gets into the bladder because, you know, they're neighbors. So yeah, scat play is a little bit more dangerous. You're definitely going to be risking you would never ever want to put scat on an open wound um you want to make sure that if you have like any shaving bumps or anything like that that no poop play happens anywhere near that area oh i can't remember i think was it when we were in high school that whole two girls one cup thing that video came out no i have no idea what you're talking about oh well don't google it it was like a thing it was like an internet like you know went around or whatever and it was the internet was barely that was the first time i was ever were exposed to that as like a kink that people were into. And I was like, oh my God. But anyway, not yucking anybody's yum. If that's what you're into, have at it. But from the doctor's stores, be very, very careful because there is all the bacteria. Yeah, that's the biggest thing. I won't yuck somebody else's yum either. For me, from the medical perspective, it's just a lot more dangerous to be doing poop because of the risks. Okay. And then the last thing I have on my list is play. Super common for dudes. They love it. This is breath control, knife play, electro stim, and all of those types of things. One I haven't heard of much that I think would fall in that category is one time we were at the same place in Pennsylvania. The same guy was doing a lot of knife play and a girl wanted her fishnets. It's cut. They would cut her fishnet and she would get turned on by that. Of course, he had a special knife and was being very careful. I could see how you could easily cut yourself pretty severely. People don't know what knife play is. That's usually not cutting somebody. You're just basically rubbing a knife blade up and down someone's skin. From my understanding, those blades usually are actually sharp. They're not dull blades. They're actual sharp blades. It's probably safer to play with a sharp blade than it is a soft one. I know that sounds kind of crazy, but, you know, if you slip with a sharp blade, you're going to put a good, like, slice cut, kind of like a surgical, you know, scalpel. It's easier to treat. It's less likely to get infected. If you have a duller knife and you slip with that, you're in much more trouble. So I'm guessing that's, like, control because they could, like, cut you wide open. Yeah, I imagine it's got to be that mental fuck that you're giving, you know, that trust to somebody. It's a control thing. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I have known of patients who, actually, this was a friend, liked to be shaved with, like, a blade by her partner, naked, blindfolded. So, like, there's, knife play is actually a fairly common one, and it's because there's that, like, edge of danger. It's sort of like the people who like to ride roller coasters because they get the high from it. You get the high from the danger of having a knife that close to, you know, vital organs. Obviously, you need to be very careful with knife play. And somebody that knows what they're doing is, you know, we could legitimately do some serious harm with that. Electric play is actually a little bit safer, although you have to be careful with that, too. A lot of the electric play that is put out for use sexually is pretty safe. If you don't turn it up too high, if you don't put it to places that could potentially get injured, those you never want to put on places that have that are too close to like nerve bundles. And that's that's where things get kind of like messy medically. For instance, avoid the armpits. There's a huge nerve bundle that controls, like, your arms. And you don't want to get your brachial plexus, like, zinged because it could cause potential, like, nerve damage in your hands. Same thing, upper inner thighs are really kind of dangerous spot to do that type of, like, electric play because it could potentially damage nerves that go to, like, control your feet. Like, upper inner back thigh, that nerve's fairly buried there, honestly, it would be hard to get to. But you could damage the pudendal nerve, which is a nerve that controls the clitoris and or the penis with electric play on the area. between the rectum and the base of the penis, which is called the perineum. A lot of people, non-lifestyle, call it the taint. Taint here, taint there. That area is called the perineum. And the clitoral nerve actually comes very superficially there for the clitoris, which is like a branch of the pudendal nerve. And in males, some of the nerves that control the sensation of the penis are also very close to the surface there. So you've got to be careful with electric play there because you could accidentally zing one of those nerves. And if you cause some damage to it with a high enough power, electricity jolt, you could potentially permanently damage it. So you got to be careful a little bit with that. Using it on like really sensitive tissues like the nipple and the clitoris is common. Keep that, again, low voltage. Don't turn it up too high because you could damage those nerves. They're very sensitive. They're also very close to the surface. Yeah, so we've seen some e-stim stuff. They've had those machines out at events and stuff like that. The Dom Life, who is a BDSM dungeon guy, has done demonstrations that are tempted to take with e-stim type stuff. And it seems to me like there's two type of people when it comes to e-stim. There's those people that get shocked and they're like, ah, and then like they don't like it. And then there's some people that get shocked and they're like, ooh. And it's very too distinct. Like Lacey doesn't really like it. I don't really like it. But we've got some friends that love it. I mean, they love it. So I think if it's something you've never experimented with, you're probably one of the two. You're either going to really, really love it or you're going to not like it at all. Yeah, there's not usually a lot of people that are halfway in between on electric play. Yeah, either you love it or you hate it. It's kind of one of those things. It's sort of like guacamole. Nobody just kind of needs guacamole. They either love it or they hate it. So yeah, it's true. So yeah, electric play, like I said, it depends, you know, start on somewhere that's not quite as sensitive if it's your first time and somebody's like, hey, I want to, you know, use this electric device on you. Try something someplace that's not sensitive, like the outside of the arm or your back. There's just not that many nerve endings there. So like, start there and then kind of like maybe move towards more sensitive areas and if you're like, hey, that actually feels kind of good. I like that. You know, then try, you know, getting closer towards the breast or, you know, the backside or someplace that's a little bit more sensitive and you're still like, hey, I really like that. Then you start doing stuff like over the ribs or the nipples or whatever. Yeah. Okay. So the only other thing here that we didn't talk about is breath play. Now, I will caveat breath play choking. So again, NCSF is somebody that we reference a lot for this stuff. And they're very kink positive, but they are, And I don't know if it's from a liability standpoint or if it's from a medical standpoint of you just don't know if it's you just can't be safe with it. But I know as kink positive people, they are very anti-breath play. Understandably so. Breath play is very dangerous. So if you've got a sub who's willing to tell you to like, hey, that's too much, then it's safer. But a lot of subs won't do that. So like me, when I, you know, have someone I'm getting really close to, I'm like, just put your hand over my throat for a second. You know, like if it gets too hard, I will tell them I'm like, stop. Or, or I'll just like shake my head. No. And they'll, they'll know to stop. And I think one of the bigger problems with breath play, if you get carried away as a dom and you're getting like sexual pleasure out of like spanking someone, the chances that you're going to kill them are low. If you get a little too anxious and you choke someone a little too hard, you could kill them. And it's not even just like the cutting off of the airway, but you also restrict blood supply to the brain. So you could cause a stroke, you could cause all sorts of unpleasantries. So that type of choking play and breath plays is really dangerous. So you have to be very careful with it. A lot of doms aren't comfortable doing choke play just because of the danger associated with it. And they know themselves well enough to know, I could get carried away, I'm not going to do that. If it's somebody, you know, for me, if it's somebody that I really trust, like my husband, you know, I know he doesn't want to hurt me in the first place. He doesn't really enjoy doing it. He's not getting any sexual gratification out of it. I'm the one that likes it. He'll put his hand over my neck and it's safer that way. It is interesting to me because I think out of everything on our list, if we're being honest, most couples have probably tried choking each other. During sex, I've put a hand on somebody's throat at some point in time. That has probably happened. The fact that that probably is one of the most dangerous things you can do in a sexual interaction is just that alone is kind of interesting to me yeah because I mean if you're choking somebody and you start to orgasm yourself you're not paying attention to how hard you're grabbing yeah and if you orgasm and you choke for just a little too hard or a little too long you could cause a stroke well then like you're saying you know there's so many other factors that come into you know if you're restricting blood flow well there's no way you know how how what heart issues they have or what you know I mean so there's so many things that could come into play and like Like you're saying, it's not a matter of do you leave a bruise or not? Or does somebody get an infection or not? It could be does somebody die or not? You know what I mean? And so it's just such a risky thing to do. So yeah, I would highly recommend if it is something you're engaging with, please go read the literature on that and look at, you know, NCSF and their recommendations. Yeah, be very, very careful. Yeah, it can be dangerous to do that kind of stuff. It's definitely one of those things, like you said, it's a lot of people enjoy that or or get something out of it. I personally like to. I don't want to be foolish. Oh, we like it. Lacey likes it. Yeah, but I was thinking about that. So I was kind of like a little bit deep in thought until you said Lacey. I like the thought of birth play. I like having like a hand over my mouth. I don't like my airways to actually be restricted. You know, it's almost like. A role play almost. Yeah, it's almost like an implied type of thing. But like, I don't, I don't want to actually not be able to breathe. Like, I will kind of panic a little bit. So, yeah, I mean, it's hot. And I agree with you what you're saying. Like, if I can't, Dan and I are really big on mutual masturbation. And if I can't make myself cum, sometimes I'll, like, grab his hand and, like, pull it, you know, and put it on my mouth or whatever. You know, and, like, I like where he, like, puts it over my mouth, but I can still breathe out of my nose. So it's kind of, like, up to me. So it's, like, kind of giving half control, I guess. But just that in itself will be enough to make me cum. Yeah, I'm the same way. I think there's like ways to do it that are a little bit safer if you're going to kind of go down that route. But I guess the difference here is like Dan doesn't cum while he's doing that to me. And so I'm not saying that couldn't happen, but I think maybe that's kind of where the difference is there. Yeah, it's definitely something to be super, super careful about. All right. So that wraps up my list, Dr. Store. Are there any kinks or things that we didn't talk about that you'd like to talk about? There's so many kinks out there. There are. I would say maybe if we're going on the medical side of things like rectal play. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about that. So people love to rim and or be rimmed. Yeah. So like putting your mouth on somebody's rectum and licking it sticking your tongue up somebody's ass. I enjoy both sides of that. Scat play is dangerous. Yeah. Same problem with rectal play. And a lot of people who have no interest whatsoever in poop play will absolutely rim someone. Yeah. Same exact risk. There are a lot of nerve endings around the rectum. People love to have their rectums touched. They like to have them licked. You got to be careful if you're the licker because you are getting that bacteria into your mouth. I actually love that. That is my porn that I typically look. That's my latest. Yeah. My Google search. Your current fetish. Your current go-to. Yeah. Interesting. I don't think I knew that. Which is like pretty funny that you think about it because like seeing Dan's reaction when he was talking about like poop play and he's like, I'm not trying to, you know, yuck anybody's yum, but I would never. And then you're like, I love to have my ass licked and I love licking ass where the poop comes from. Yeah. So it's kind of, it's like a mental, It's almost like deeper than just the actual kink. But that's super interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. When I was like, exactly. Yeah, so I would guess the suggestion then is hygiene first. Make sure that you're... Hygiene first. Yeah, be careful with that. If you're going to lick somebody's ass, make sure that, yeah, that we've recently cleaned that area preferably. It's still going to be dirty no matter what you do. And please, putting tongue up inside rectums, just know that that's as dangerous as poop play. Just stay on the outside. That would be my advice. Stay on the outside. Make sure it's clean. Yeah. Yeah. There's still going to be some bacteria there, but at least you can kind of minimize the bacteria. Yeah. And otherwise, ass play, you know, fingers, toys, anything that goes up inside the rectum. This should not need to be said, but oh my God, how many people come into the emergency room with things stuck up their ass. It needs to have a handle on it. If something goes into your rectum, it needs to have a handle on it. So like, you know, don't use a flashlight in your rectum. Yeah. Don't put live animals in your rectum. Oh, my goodness. Also, going back and forth between the vagina. Even Dan, who is very cautious of that, will sometimes get carried away. Even myself will. So that's an easy, very easy one to do. Once something goes in the rectum and comes out, it gets cleaned before it goes in anywhere else. Yeah. And I mean, exactly. And you're talking poop play. Technically, doing anal is the same risk for UTI as doing poop play. You're putting your penis in a place where there's poop, Dan. That whole ass-to-mouth thing is an entire genre on porn sites. It's like watching a girl get fucked in the ass and then suck that dick. Oh, is it? Yeah, it's a whole subcategory. I'm not that deep. What is that? It's like you're a dirty girl. It's a mental thing. Yeah. And I mean, honestly, like 99% of kinks, it's a mental thing for me wanting to be sub that's 100% mental. That is like, it's not anybody doing anything to my erogenous zones or not touching my clitoris or just telling me what to do. And it turns me on. That's psychological, 100% psychological. So yeah, the it a lot of those things are like the taboos, the taboos are sexy. It's the same psychology where I would if I told you right now, you can't eat Snickers. That's the one thing you're gonna like, great for the next 24 hours, you're not allowed to have a Snickers. Next 24 you're going to want a Snickers, even though you don't normally eat Snickers, right? There's a psychology there. It's something that you're told is dirty or is bad or is, you know. Right. That's why all these, you know, these repressed people are super sluts, you know what I mean? Like if you're a preacher's daughter, there's a reason you want to bang the whole town. If you're a preacher, there's a reason you want to bang the whole town. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Right? So, yeah, no, it's absolutely a thing. It's all psychology. Kinks are really 100% psychology. Well, they say, you know, your biggest sex organ is your brain. I think that is 100% the truth. Yep. All right. Anything else you can think of? No, those are the ones that I kind of wanted to bring up that you hadn't already brought up. I think that's pretty much it, yeah. All right. Well, we appreciate you coming on the podcast and getting a little kinky with us this time. This is a little different. I'll get kinky with you anytime. Well, you know, the Bliss Cruise is coming, so. I know. Yeah. We'll see about that. If people want to find you, what's the best way they can find you? My website is thestowercenter.com. We can link that up. down below. You can also find me on swingingsafe.com. Those are probably my two easiest ways to find me. I'm on all of the socials. Yeah. And some of those are doing really well these days. That's awesome. Yeah. And you can like you see patients. So if people like I like her and I'm jealous of these people because I wish I was in Texas. I see a lot of lifestyle patients. So I have people that find me from this podcast. Yeah. No, we hear about it quite often. We're like, oh, I believe it. People message us. We'll get random emails that, oh, we just. signed up to have doctor stores or OBGYN. Yeah. I'm like, oh, I'm so jealous. You can fly out to Dallas anytime. Okay. Don't tempt me. All right. Well, I think that wraps up this episode. Thank you, doctor store. I think with that in a world full of apples, be the pineapple, be the pineapple guys. 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