Want to send us a message? Bacterial Vaginosis (BV) is an important topic that seems to affect many women in the lifestyle. We have more research and better information on BV and the swinging lifestyle. This episode will: define BV, identify who gets BV, describe how people get it, cover BV as an STI, discuss vaginal pH, and provide a list of 32 items to limit your chances of getting BV. SHOW NOTES: What is Bacterial Vaginosis (BV)Is Bacterial Vaginosis (BV) considered an STI?How do I get Bacterial Vaginosis (BV)Vaginal pH BalanceVaginal MicrobiotaActions I can take to reduce chances of getting Bacterial Vaginosis (BV)For detailed show notes with links and our list of actions to reduce your risk of BV, visit SwingerUniversity.com. Support the showWant More?👀 Watch on YouTube: YouTube ShowFull video versions and interactive live episodes!Bonus episodes, exclusive content, and 🌶️Extras: https://www.patreon.com/SwingerUniversity 🛳️🎉Looking for lifestyle events in your area? T4P is the go-to directory for clubs, parties, and resort events. Browse now at Ticket4Play.com Custom SU T-shirts and gear: Our Amazon StoreSwingerLinks.com - live schedule, special offers*, and our 🌶️links!Our Website - Leave us a message, articles, and sexy products3 Ways to get your question on our show:RECORD it on our website at: https://swingeruniversity.com/contact/EMAIL a recorded voice note to: [email protected]: (916) 538-0482 and leave a voicemail.* We get a commission if you decide to purchase through our links, at no cost to you.
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We have to talk about something we've been genuinely excited about for months, and our patrons actually got a preview of this already. Jamaica! Yes, we are going back, and actually, we have a great offer for you guys. Yeah, it's Swingcation. It's October 11th through the 18th at Hedonism 2. And if you don't know what Swingcation is, it's pretty easy. Swinger plus kink plus vacation. It's a hosted group with real structure, workshops, lectures, real conversations with experts who are passionate about bringing and bridging that gap between the swinger world and the kink world.
And we're not just going as attendees. we're going as featured presenters, which is exciting. We'll be leading sessions. So if you come, we actually get to hang out with you. Which brings up something we should mention. When you use our code, yes, we got a code, you're not just getting a discount, you're getting the signature swing experience, which means $100 off per person, up to $200 per room, but it also means that we make time for you. An exclusive breakfast, lunch, cocktail hour, or one-hour and one time with us directly, plus more surprise benefits.
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And use our code at checkout. And you guys, if you have any questions about the event, the resort, or what to expect, just reach out. I mean, we're here for you. We're happy to help. So once again, TicketForPlay.com forward slash Swinky, the code SWINGERU-VIP. We really want to see you there. Welcome to Swinger University, your horizontal enrichment program, offering you the naked facts about swinging. Here are your hosts, Ed and Phoebe. Hi, this is Ed. And this is Phoebe. Today we're updating you on bacterial vaginosis, or BV.
We have done more research on this important topic that seems to affect many women in the lifestyle. We'll be covering the following in this episode. Defining BV. Who and how people get BV, BV as an STI, vaginal pH, and a list of 32 items to limit your chances of getting BV. We got our first patron through Patreon. Yes.
Special shout out to john and angel yes for their support of our podcast it's super exciting for us and we're thinking of all the different things that we really should be doing for for uh sponsorship and how that should work for us so we're working out details and more will be coming as the days progress. Exactly. Exactly. As we mentioned earlier, we'll be defining BV, who and how people get it, BV as an STI, vaginal pH, and those lists, those items of 32 items that can limit your chance of getting BV.
So hang out to the end and um or fast forward but um you're gonna miss all the the interesting stuff that's been updated in between and trust me i i think i have done oh my god well over 20 hours well over 20 hours of research just reading scientific journals credible sources not just women's health and men's health, you know, those types of fluff. Not that they're, you know, total fluff, but really diving into the articles and getting the meat and potatoes of it all. Yeah, these weren't cosmopolitan articles that you were using. These were actual medical research.
And we've been researching and having discussions with some of our nurse friends absolutely who are actual medical professionals and ob-gyns who we've met in the lifestyle etc etc so yeah right so while we are not medical experts and we're going to do our best to kind of convey this highly medically dense content um we're going to present it in a way that's, you know, not so convoluted or I hope not. I hope not. It's very detailed to put your detail hat on, get your pouch, pen and paper. Yeah.
And, and for, I mean, to kind of lead into this, we know a number of women who we have talked to over the last six months or a year who struggle and i mean the the level and depth of their suffering with bv um has they've considered getting out of the lifestyle as a direct result of it so this is for for a of women, this is really a big pain in the hoo-ha. Yes. All right. So what is BV? It's actually not classified as a sexually transmitted infection or STI, according to Planned Parenthood. STIs are transmittable via skin-to-skin contact.
According to the CDC, BV is caused by an imbalance of your natural microflora, especially in your gut, which I think also translates down into the vagina, and we'll get there to that point as well. According to the Mayo Clinic, there's a change of the bacteria found in your vagina upsetting that balance, which causes this imbalance is unknown. They're still researching it.
It affects 30% of women in childbearing years and occurs in women of any age it affects women in perimenopause and menopause that sweet range of like 45 to 58 which is your primer prime swinger age right kids are out of the nest you've got some expendable income you know yeah and if you listen to most accounts most people people start swinging maybe late 30s, but the big slice of the pie is people who are in their early to late 40s and older. Right, right.
So this perimenopause and menopause, obviously there's a reduction of your hormones and your estrogen levels, and that can tend to kick off some of these imbalances in your vagina. BV is strongest after sex and menstruation due to the quick pH shift.
This happens, you know, can't, well, for me personally, it happened on the cruise cruise and at new years and at one of our other friends party because one you're using somebody else's lube somebody else's condom with um spermicides uh you've got you're introducing latex with maybe you have latex sensitivity which throws stuff off did i already say you're using somebody else's lube yeah that's gonna throw that me off um you're in the hot tube too long right you've got swinger soup people been in there all day long even though they change out the water at night i mean you got all day people in the hot tub all day long and those hot tubs are packed on the cruise packed we're actually just listening to black and kinky talking about um their trip to desire and the pool the hot tub at the end of the evening just being human soup so he swore he could see semen floating on the top yeah gross so hello yeah 50 to 75 percent of women do not have symptoms and 84 percent of women don't even recognize they have the symptoms it's a low grade occurrence so you can have it but not have the symptoms.
Right. 20% to 30% of the women get it again in three months, and 50% will get it again in a year. It can be passed from female to female via sexual intercourse and female to female via man. Monogamous relationships can break the cycle of sharing the bacteria between both partners by using condom for about three or four months so yeah so if you like playing with your partner without condoms because you know condoms are we like to use condoms with our play partners but i don't want want to use them at home. Yeah.
Now, I will say when I was researching this, I did find additional resources on the female via sexual intercourse.
It's pretty difficult to actually pass that along, and it cannot be passed by skin-to-skin contact you really it's it's it what happens really is there's just an imbalance you've introduced enough random things into your vagina to upset your ph okay one like i said earlier it's it's a spermicide on a condom because you never use that with your spouse why because you don't need to use condoms two you're using somebody else's lube you know at their house or in a playroom three someone's got their fingers in five other women and now they stuff their fingers in you well that's like a multitude of bacteria that's all been transferred down the line over to you if you're in an orgy situation like we love you've got oral so you've got all the mouth bacteria you've been drinking which upsets your ph maybe you're dehydrated you've been in the pool you've been in the hot tub you sat in your like it's all those things that you wouldn't normally be doing that's gonna throw off your ph and your vagina is gonna freak out so there you go it's super exciting according to the cdc the cause of microbial alteration that precipitates bv is not fully understood and whether bv results from the acquisition of a singly transmitted pathogen is unknown so they just haven't the research isn't there right there's no motivation right well if you look at traditionally most of the research that's done, it's funded by men for men and it's, they just don't think about women.
Right. And everything is, you know, what do we get out of it? Right. So if they can get a drug or a pill out of it, sure yeah they they'll they'll fund it but right it's just a topic they haven't really no one's really funded bv is associated with having multiple male sexual partners female partners sexual relationships with more than one person a new sex partner lackom use, douching, and people with herpes simplex virus 2 or genital herpes. Yeah.
So, I mean, if you read through that laundry list of things, what you start to go, what you start to realize is, uh, swinger behavior, new sex partner. Yep. Swinger behavior. Yes. Okay. So lack of condom use, maybe, maybe not. Douching. People with herpes. Well, potentially. Potentially. More than 50% of the population has herpes. It's very prevalent. Yes. Very prevalent. And speaking of, individuals who have HSV2 or herpes simplex virus 2 that have positive antibodies are asymptomatic individuals. No symptoms. They can have virus shedding, meaning they are actively contagious.
So here's the thing. You don't have to have symptoms, and you could be actually shedding or transmitting that virus to other people, which is why when we've done research on HSV, which we'll have another podcast on, right? Most people are actually walking around with HSV and just don't know that they have it. And unless you take a specific antibody test, you don't know. You don't know. Yeah.
You really don't know and there's a bunch of stigma around that and we will we will definitely speak to that and and you know what that means in the lifestyle and what it means in this particular episode is you're at a you've added a contributing factor to bacteria imbalance and basically gives you a bv flare-up so oh so exciting yeah what's important here is the majority of the population has herpes that doesn't know we'd already stated that before and and you know i think ed already spoke to the other two line items that i was just gonna read to you so there you go right i will edit that out okay according to planned parenthood having sex with a new partner or multiple partners may increase your risk of bv we kind of touched on that earlier and sex sometimes leads to bv if your partner's natural genetic chemistry changes the imbalance of or the balance of your vagina and causes back Thank you.
to bv if your partner's natural genetic chemistry changes the imbalance of or the balance of your vagina and causes bacteria to grow this happened to me when i would change sexual partners boyfriend to boyfriend you know you know i left broke up with a boyfriend right right then i got into a new relationship we decided to have sex without a condom and his semen would set off a subtle, now I was young, so my body could kind of rebound quickly.
And maybe I had BV, but I didn't have the level of symptoms that, you know, you can get, or most people get, or some people get, but I would notice a difference, right? Right. In, in odor. And I always knew that, that his, his, the new semen would set off my body. And after a while, it'd take my body to get used to it. And then I was fine. Well, and the other thing to think about too, is, you know, this, this is about genital chemistry.
So any kind of chemical or whether that's a biological chemical, in other words, his hormones or secretions or natural pH or whatever on his cock, but it could also be the soap that he uses or the perfume, or if he's using Axe body spray, any kind of chemical that's being introduced into the vagina will throw off chemistry. I didn't even think about that. I'll see you next time.
body spray any kind of chemical that's being introduced into the vagina right or throw off i didn't even think about that the um the dryer sheets on his underwear that's all over his junk antibacterial soap residue i mean there's so many things that we have introduced into our ecosystem, our genital ecosystem that can really fuck up the pH.
This is why I've just gone perfume-free everything, perfume-free soap, laundry, everything, everything that the clothes are washing, the towels washing the ph i use the ph balance soap yeah all of it and that whole fresh forest scent that you put into your clothes may actually be creating a not so fresh forest scent in your in your crotch can we call my squirting ocean spray now i'm going to ocean spray you do you mind fresh mountain spring Ha spring. Do you mind? Yeah, you know, I might change it up. 100% organic.
Oh, oh my goodness but according to other resources this bv cannot be passed via swimming pools or hot tubs even if they have enough chemicals still left in them however depending on the length of time you're sitting in that damn hot tub three hours at a time over five to seven days on a cruise then probably your likelihood is going to be a lot higher yeah especially because well actually on the cruises they don't chlorinate but no at a lot of other places they do use chlorine still true um and so that chlorinated water being in regular contact and you know you people are fingering each other oh in the hot tub so you're kind of pushing or fucking fucking in the pool no nobody does that oh okay sorry that doesn't actually happen oh um but you're you're pushing that chlorinated water up inside which is gonna kill bacteria that's what chlorine does so it's killing the good bacteria right like an antibiotic right and it's irritating it's irritating to the vagina it's irritating to the skin around it so it is important to shower and remove all that chlorinated water pool clothing immediately when you get out of the water, you know, just, just don't go in the water with, with pool clothes, just with costumes, as they say in Australia, right.
Just go in naked and then just rinse off with soap when you're done. Yeah.
The other thing to think about too, when you're, when you are in a chlorinated pool and you are having sex or or fat you know digital penetration that water isn't particularly lubricated it's kind of rough yes that your natural lubrication washes off and the rough texture will also affect the walls of the vagina and the ph etc yes so that irritation is bad too which is also why lube and good lube is really important when you have sex because that that lubrication is kind of key protects yeah it's like the difference of rubbing sandpaper on your lips versus chapstick or carmex or yeah and for those people who argue that the silicone based lubes do work in the pools that's true that will help but it's still got chlorine and so yeah you're reducing one thing but you're still introducing another but does the silicone Cone cover, like protect.
Probably not. The skin and the surface, but probably not. But does the silicone cover, like, protect? Probably not. The skin and the surface, but probably not the bacteria because that's different. Okay, all y'all, you test that out and you get back to us. Right. some scientific studies are reporting gardinella vaginalis may be the main bacteria of the four or five others that you have in your vagina that when out of balance will result in BV. Gardonella, that's it, Ed got it, alone does not cause BV. Additionally, BV-associated bacteria can be identified on male genitalia.
The treatment of male sex partners has not been beneficial in preventing the recurrence of BV. I'm not sure what treatment they were using, but what I found in the research was that really making sure that Thank you. I'm not sure what treatment they were using, but what I found in the research was that really making sure that you're using a condom for, oh gosh, a good three weeks. Three, four weeks. Yeah, because you can tend to pass it back and forth.
A little bit of it will live up there in the urethra so right and it gives the time for the gentleman's natural biology to kill off the extra bacteria get back into ph balance get back into equilibrium before it gets reintroduced exactly All right. So as Ed was talking about pH balance, what the heck is it? It's important for a healthy vagina. Your vagina is an acidic environment, which is healthy and normal.
The natural protection against the overabundance of an unhealthy bacteria and yeast which can cause infection so this nice acidic environment helps protect you in fact a very healthy ph vagina kind of smells like um like a little like blood like a pet like a penny for reference the scale is zero to 14 so if your ph is less than seven it equals acidic if it's more than seven it's basic your vaginal ph if you're in the age of 15 to 49 should be around 3.8 to 4.5 your vaginal ph when you're menstruating should be around 7.4 because the blood changes your pH.
It's important to change that pad and tampon frequently to reduce the contact of blood sitting in the vagina.
So as you're aging and your body's changing and your hormones are changing, you're going through perimenopause and you don't know when you're having a period and when you're not you know sometimes you may want to leave that tampon in for a little longer because you don't know what the fuck's going to happen because your body's not doing its normal cycle anymore don't leave that tampon in too long you may want to switch over to a pad because you are going to mess up your your ph by leaving in there too long. Right.
So I had to make some changes when my body was changing and my cycle was changing. Your vaginal pH after menopause is typically higher than 4.5. It's due to reduced estrogen, your vaginal walls start to thin, which has less exfoliation. You have a little more dryness and those pH levels rise, which makes you a little more susceptible to infections and inflammation. So just that process of going into perimenopause and menopause increases your risk. It does. It really does. So how do you, how do you tell, how do you, how do you test this? Okay. Can we talk about October for a second? Oh my God.
Yeah. I've been waiting for this. We were invited to be guest speakers for two engagements on a six-star crystal cruise ship with 310 lifestyle couples. And it sails from Montreal to Boston during the peak foliage season. I'm super excited. And honestly, I'm really nervous.
Yeah, it's kind of a version of like a swinger TED talk that we're going to have have to do oh my god i know and more importantly if you know the brand it's llv luxury lifestyle vacations you may have seen them and they're sexy playmakers with their fun red hats this ship the crystal symphony is classy butler service for every single room, Michelin rated restaurants, full spa, clothing optional, sensual playrooms, like everything, theme nights and international DJ. So it's luxury and nudity? Oh man, this is going to be great.
The bottom line is we want you there there with us it's 310 couples and like all their vacations they book up fast they really do their vacations are extremely popular so please come with us and in order to find it all you have to do is go to our swingerlinks.com and look for the LLV Sensual Voyage. We hope you'll join us. Amazon has the answer, of course, because there's everything on Amazon. So you can actually use pH strips. For those of you who did take chemistry in high school, they're small little paper strips. And with a swab, you can test the pH of a liquid.
So it's pretty easy to test that. We'll have a link included for those pH testing strips. If you test yourself often, preferably after sex or after drinking or after your period, you kind of get an idea over time of how your body is changing and reacting to those different things being introduced. Exactly. And it matters because there's discomfort or odor. And honestly, it does increase the risk of other STIs. So you you know, you just want to be mindful of that. Right. That natural acidic nature of the vagina actually fights off infections and fights off other bacteria.
So it's kind of important to maintain that natural protection. Especially for you barebackers out there.
Yes right how does your ph get out of whack diet stress swinger stress you can have swinger stress it's sometimes really stressful to go to these events especially when you're new or when you're not new and you're going to a new venue you know what the fuck to expect right it's a little stressful your hormones are out of whack your gut health your period douching antibiotics unprotected sex with the semen all that stuff we talked about and antihistamines or allergy medicine will also throw off your your moisture levels and those mucus membranes that you have yep which will dry you out which will also cause a shift in pH.
Yes, because moisture is your friend. Moisture is everyone's friend. The act of having sex will also lower it because your body wants to get pregnant. So as you have sex, your hormones start to change, the endorphins start to rise, your body starts to lower the pH because it wants the sperm to get through. Exactly. And that's the whole thing. So that whole survival of the fittest thing that everybody talks about, the strongest sperm is the one that you want to get through to the egg.
So the pH balance shifts just enough so that it doesn't kill all the sperm, but the strong ones will still get through, but it is shifting it. Right.
So, gosh, you know, when you think about it, like the pool, the condom, the lube, the stress, like all those unusual factors that you've got going on on a swinger cruise or a swinger hotel takeover and then you're having lots of sex or maybe you have sex once like sometimes we find at a swinger takeover which is so not right it's enough factors lined up in a row 10 factors almost where your body's like i give up i i can't handle i can't deal yep the vagina throws in the white flag at about day five or day three of a five-day cruise and uh yeah you're you're pretty much you're done and you can't be done like no you have more fucking to do semen also also lowers the pH, makes it more alkaline.
And so, okay, so how do I change it? This is like the million dollar question. Diet, probiotics, medications, hormone replacement therapy, hydration, reduce your alcohol consumption. and I'm going to list some other things down below. And I've got some great links on probiotics. Alola makes one and also a good clean love makes up an insert, a vaginal insert.
If you are actually having a BV flare-up i've tried it it works great they also have a product that keeps your flora fauna in a healthy state so you know say you i don't know did some extra drinking that weekend or had a little extra sex use someone's lube by mistake you're like i just need a little backup plan i'm gonna put in some you know a little protective a little extra moisture with some hydrolonic acid and the good clean love restore balance thing good all good i i tell you i've experimented on myself so much you will love it you will love it and for those of us those of you who had heard had heard about our Costa Rica takeover in that last play session that we had, reduced alcohol consumption actually has other biological benefits, including reduction in lip swelling, groin and testicle swelling from impact and high velocity.
Yeah. Yes. So cutting down on the drinking is actually good for a whole bunch of reasons. Yes. And hopefully not get the label of spider monkey of the playroom by the entire resort. Yeah. Yeah. Vaginal microbiota. what the heck is that ed please enlighten us well well i'll put my lab coat on for this one perfect vaginal flora or vaginal microbiome are the microorganisms that colonize the vagina. So it's all of those good natural things that are keeping your body moving and fighting off infections.
We have good bacteria in our body that helps our body to maintain our processes and keep things moving. Lactobacillus dominates and creates a protective environment. So everybody's seen the commercials about probiotics and you can get yogurt with it and all that kind of stuff. All of those things, whether you like it or not, we have bacteria that lives in our body that actually keeps us alive. It helps us to digest our food.
It keeps our skin skin yeah lives on our skin black you know fresh um it's good and if you know i'm out of balance i'm going to have some discharge or odor or itching um you know you're out of balance because of all some of the or all the things mostly that i listed earlier perimenopause menopause birth control I'll see you next time. You know you're out of balance because of all some of the, or all the things mostly that I listed earlier, perimenopause, menopause, birth control, menstruation, any shifting or hormones, your sexual activity, smoking, diet, stress, and antibiotics.
What are the things we can do at home or at an event and location to limit your chance of getting bv right so this is the the 20 part list of things you just shouldn't do or should do yeah and we're going to go through the at home list yeah first so first one no douching like never a douche period no it's just a marketing i don't even know why because it's somebody's a moneymaker one time use perfume free detergent and fabric softener number three perfume and antibacterial body wash and soaps no no no number four nylon underwear and tight yoga pants can block air movement and increase bacterial growth.
So every time I exercise, I get it out of those shorts right away. I don't sit in that. I, I, I get out, I put on something dry or I, I clean off the bacteria. And I, I literally, my OBGYN told me to put a hair dryer use the hair dryer half every time after i go to the bathroom to dry that environment and to be specific to dry the vulva the outer labia yes and the outer parts of the vagina so ladies don't shove the hair dryer-ha. That is not what we're advocating. What if it's a really nice shape? Leave it turned off and unplugged, but I don't recommend that.
And by the way, this goes for men too. So we've been talking about bacteria being introduced into the vagina. Your shorts will also increase your bacteria in your junk. And if you're introducing that into her vagina, then you're also throwing things off. So let them breathe, gentlemen, let them breathe. Yeah. So what do you do at Swinger Events?
I just learned you have a special strategy that I didn't even know about till like yesterday it's it's really uh it's highly scientific uh-huh and um i i spent a lot of time thinking about this uh-huh um it's great there's a lot of side benefits to it as well i don't wear underwear wait what say that again i don't wear underwear i just just let them hang. Never, ever to an event. No, why? Either I'm wearing a kilt and letting things just be natural, or I'm not wearing underwears.
Because I've found even with cotton underwear, basically I'm pressing the cock up against the balls and pushing all of that up against my body. I sweat. Right. Most ladies don't want to put that in their mouth. Right. Right. So. Right. You let the air go. Let the air circulate. There's no sweating. Right. That makes sense. It's kind of like under boob sweat, but it's cock and ball sweat. Uh-huh. Yeah. I don't know. Right. That makes sense. It's kind of like under boob sweat, but it's cock and ball sweat. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. I'm not wearing underwear right now. What? It's summertime.
Mm-hmm. Change your underwear or panty liner several times a day. Change out of your wet clothing quickly, especially if you're sweating or you know like the swimsuits uh install this is number seven install a bidet on your toilet you can get that on amazon for like 50 bucks it's an add-on we got one i freaking love that thing i love that thing yeah it's awesome at first it took me a little bit to get used to, but now love it. And I'll say, the one that we got isn't a heated one. It's cold water, but you kind of get used to that, and it's actually not so bad. It's kind of refreshing.
It's a little brisk at first, especially in winter,-huh but um it's it's not so bad now if you've got hot water like if your toilet's next to your sink you can tap into the warm water yes um but even with that like i'd be a little concerned about getting straight hot water from the tap and spraying it up to your it's gotta be mixed just right i'm sure right we we were gonna try that but the logistics of the bathroom wouldn't allow for that so yeah there you go not till the remodel but it is amazing for washing off after sex or you know or a quick workout say you can't jump in the shower right away because ed's making me dinner and i all i have to do you know i've just done a workout i just hop on the bidet rinse off and i'm good to go for a little while i already talked about the hairdryer that was number eight uh i already talked about nylon underwear and tight yoga pants that was number nine ten don't use lube that's expired, dude.
Like, read that label. It does go bad. Here's why we sail on Virgin. It's adults only. No kids screaming at breakfast. No family buffet lines, just champagne at noon, late night pool parties, and people who actually want to be there. The vibe? Think boutique hotel that happens to float. Tattoo parlors, drag brunch, restaurants you'd actually pay for on land. Plus, when you're looking to connect with other couples who know how to have fun, let's just say Virgin attracts a very specific type of adventurous. No wonder breadcruisers here, just your people.
The important lesson there is to use all the lube up. So have sex as often as you can. There you go. Make sure that you don't waste lube because it's important to conserve. Yeah. Don't waste that money. Have more sex. Yeah. That's it. Exactly. Use a lube that dispenses without touching your fingertips. Right. So the pump bottle that you don't have to like get your fingers all in it.
If you're your fingers into a bucket of stuff yeah not good yeah that's not good so those people who really like coconut oil there's another reason why you don't dip your fingers so even our squirt bottle the good clean love or the lola the lola i think has a pump the good clean love comes out of a little squirt bottle uh you just squirt it down in your hand you don't like wipe your hand across the top right so just you know think about germs limit amount of sperm in your vagina especially if you're you know you're at a swinger event and you want to fuck a bunch of people just tell your man hey you know just maybe for the trip just come outside me or come inside me twice this trip or something you know just be gentle phoebe is actually advocating for pearl necklaces facials swallowing it's an important exercise to reduce your chances of BV.
Right. So you can continue to have sex with other people. Right. See, these are good strategies. Right. So swallowing is biologically important. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. It's not only good for your skin.
I do like rubbing it all over me and especially on my breasts it's very silky i love watching you rub it all over condoms only you and your partner have tested as a no trigger cotton condom that's number 13 so use your own shit obstet what and to be specific Like that's condoms that you know are safe for you not the random in the playroom chinese who knows where they came from and what spermicide is on them kind of a condom colored or glowed or flavored yeah so stick with the good condoms that you you know where they came from the skins the lelos the oh yeah the yeah magnums trojans also good as long as it's not a spermicidal condom right uh etc exactly abstain from sex if you have bv you and your partner will continue to pass it back and forth and you can and and i already said it can temporarily live in the urethra 15 boric acid suppositories they do seem to help with staying fresh i have used those 16 drink more water 17 use some probiotics i already talked about lola has one and then good clean love has an insert uh it's called biofresh it's like a homeop it's it's called biofresh homeop homeopathic vaginal suppository and the biofresh isn't f-r-e-s-h it's p-h yes like fat exactly fresh very clever of their marketing you can also try loom deodorant that's l-u-m-e it is aluminum and baking soda and paraben free and it goes anywhere bacteria loves to live so i love this as i'll rub it on my vulva and down around the backside uh when i know i'm going to at a party with i'm not i don't have any underwear on oh my god yes i don't wear underwear at parties either sometimes if it's a dress that i don't want panty lines i just don't wear underwear or you really want those sparkles to show through yes but but i don't want to be you know i'm what if i'm going from the dance floor to the playroom i don't have time to like really go wash up all the way back to the hotel room or the bathroom so i want to be fresh and clean and i don't want to be sweaty and i want bacteria down there so loom deodorant you can rub on down there and it keeps you totally fresh it doesn't taste like anything it doesn't change the ph it's amazing and you're describing rubbing it onto your vulva but you're talking about the kind of the outer part yes kind of not even on the the lips per se but maybe like on the sides I just want to understand where i'm rubbing no oh where do i need to rub yes so i rub it on the sides and i rub it on the outer labia okay and then down below in between what do you call that the perineum the taint that's for you i think mine's called the perineum it's all the perineum but it taints your pussy and it taints your and then but back around the asshole like because what gets back there too and who wants to be smelly back there she fingers her pucker i don't and nobody else better because i don't like that you just prefer to cock yes to stick don't stick a tongue finger and a tongue just know me that yes no tongue no no finger that's just weird it teases me i don't i don't know i don't like it just give me the just give me the go bigger exactly exactly that's it there you go there i love it i'm not kidding i do she's not i know i'm saying that for them dead serious i am dead serious okay number 20 hormone changes to estrogen so i said before birth control you're getting older there's a little more dryness estrogen is a lubricator so as you get older and you age and you know your estrogen is you know you stop stopping right basically so it's it's gonna affect lubrication and so i would consider hormone replacement therapy i've done oh my god so much research on this guys.
I can't wait to tell you about this topic. I have interviewed eight or nine doctors. I'm switching to another doctor because I tried one doctor. I'm firing him. Now I'm on to another doctor and I'm reading this really good book. So like tune in because I can't wait. It's a thing. It's legit. Yeah. And to be clear too, hormone replacement therapy is not your mother's hormone replacement therapy. There have been so many advances with science. Right. We love science. Yes. And specifically bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. Right.
Not, probably not the standard hormone replacement therapy from your OB-GYN because they are first and foremost a surgeon and they really don't have time to dedicate the amount of research to proper hormone replacement therapy.
More of which I will go into in another episode number 21 ed already spoke about it regular use of allergy or medicines that have a drying effect on your mucous membranes the vagina's best defense internal moisture and ph balance there you go all right we got through those 21 swinging location go for it what do you do when you're at an event so talk about what the 12 things you can do while you're swinging at a location and then once we get through the 12 we are wrapping this my new personal favorite reduce your alcohol consumption please please reduce your alcohol consumption say save ed it's the civil go fund me save the ed fund save the ed fund changes your blood ph and it will also dehydrate you which is pretty key uh to keeping your your body functioning normally dehydration is bad Number two condoms use latex free condoms yep um we've switched yes and use pretty much latex free condoms for two reasons one i don't have to carry two types of condoms in case i encounter a lady who is latex sensitive i don't have to think about it i don't have to look for the right thing in the bag i just grab a condom right it's always latex free.
I don't have to think about it. I don't have to look for the right thing in the bag. I just grab a condom. It's always latex free. And they don't taste bad. So we've had a couple soft swap situations where they don't want to have oral without a condom and the latex free taste great. They don't have the rubber taste. Yeah. Less of that Goodyear taste. Yes. Condoms without spermicide. So please, no matter what, you probably shouldn't be using spermicidal condoms anyway. They're really not good for use on a regular basis, especially in the lifestyle. Number four.
Condoms over your fingers before finger play. So we've talked about doing this. We haven't actually implemented this plan. We have condoms specifically for this. We did a few times about five, six years ago when I was having some issues, but then I found some other techniques that worked.
But if you are having issues, condoms over your fingers can help oh and ladies this is kind of cool because here's the other technique i use so if i'm in an orgy situation and i see a guy just fingering another woman and he wants to come over and we're kissing and making out and his hand starts to move down there i said i'm I'm happy if you finger me, but I just ask, you know, could you just please wash up at the sink before? And he's happy to go over there and do it. I just found that's easier to say rather than put on a condom.
It just helps reduce some of the bacteria transfer from person to person. Yeah. You can restrict your oral play, especially in oral situations. That's also another reason why mouthwash is kind of handy to have in a We'll be right back. in a person. Yeah. You can restrict your oral play, especially in oral situations. That's also another reason why mouthwash is kind of handy to have in a playroom. So if you're going to set up a party, having mouthwash in the bathrooms helps to kind of clean out some of those bacteria that are in your mouth and use water-based lube.
So oil-based lubes, not so good. Glycerin-based lube. So those are water-based, but they got a lot of sugar in them. A lot of sugar. And that's really bad for growing bacteria. Bacteria love sugar. Oh, hell yeah. And all the bacteria, including the bad bacteria, like it. So it's not good. It'll throw everything off. Number seven. No coconut oil. So those of you who believe that coconut oil is good, it is not. Don't put it in your hoo-ha. We have a lube episode. We really recommend that you go back and listen to that because we talk about coconut oil and the evils of coconut oil.
Limit your hot tub time at parties. So chemicals are an irritant. It throws your chemical balance off. The filters might not be clean. Yeah, yeah the filters and water are probably not clean limit your pool time in very dense people to water ratio so swinger soup yep yep that bacteria is swimming around and guess what it's going up inside you limit your time in wet clothing so change out of your wet clothes. Dry yourself off. Get the chlorine off of your body. That's your gym clothes and your swimsuits. Use HybaClean soap when washing hands before play.
Now, there's some pros and cons with this. HybaClean is a very bacterially caustic substance. It kills bacteria. They use it for cleansing wounds. Thank you very much.
very bacterially caustic substance it kills bacteria they use it for you know cleansing wounds in the operating room in the operating room go in yeah but here's the problem it has a residue and a lifespan to it so even if you rinse it off it doesn't all come off so it's a really really strong they don't want bacteria getting into a wound during surgery right it's really bad so if you've washed your hands when hibiclens and then you've inserted your hands into a woman you are potentially killing all the good bacteria killing her good bacteria so you know just so careful yeah hibiclens is kind of maybe a little bit like a flamethrower to kill a nap right a good soap and the birthday song is probably sufficient yeah i like that yeah uh carry and the last one carry ph balance wipes to clean up after play so lola makes some and good clean love does and that what that does is it cleans the vulva it gets the bacteria away so when you do put your panties on to leave the playroom you're not smashing all of that outer juicy stuff back into the juicy middle assuming you came with panties yeah that's true and i always reference lola and good clean love because i've tried their products extensively i haven't tried anybody else's probably because there really aren't that many on the market that are that friendly women friendly and i like these companies because i know good clean love is is a woman-owned company we don't get any kickbacks or anything for it i just i just love the product and i and i love everything about them and they've worked so well for me i just i'm excited to share it yeah and and i would say your standard baby wipes may or may not work i tried those for a while there's a lot of scents in them um they're not ph balanced they're not ph balanced and glee and they're not tip they're typically designed to wipe poop off of baby's butts so it's not the same kind of thing yeah it's you know what your parts are a little bit more delicate spend for the extra stuff yeah get out of the baby section get into the adult section and have a little bit better luck with your vaginal health so we're going to post a bunch of this the the list online and the the plethora of links that we have for your own research oodles oodles and snoodles of it and you can you can dive in depth on that you know on this topic I'll see you next week.
oodles and snoodles of it and you can you can dive in depth on that you know on this topic on your own if you'd like but in closing it comes down to being aware and modifying your self-care if you struggle with bacteria vaginosis and getting rid of it just know you can still engage in the lifestyle and have a good time. It just may take a little strategy and implementation of a few key changes. The Swinger University needs your help. If you like our podcast, let the world know, or at least tell a fellow swinger or two.
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