HOPEFUL Full Interview.

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Welcome to the Pineapple Pinup, the Hot Wife Life podcast. On today's podcast, I'm going to shift a little bit and I'm going to just play you the full um Welcome to the Pineapple Pinup, the Hot Wife Life podcast. On today's podcast, I'm going to shift a little bit and I'm going to just play you the full interview I did with Hopeful from Cuck My Life podcast. Hi, Hopeful. Hey, how are you?

I'm good good thank you so much for joining me very early on a sunday morning well it's the least i could do you gave us over an hour a couple of weeks ago we can't wait to drop that episode oh my gosh i that was so much fun for me like it's it's really nice because as you know, I do this podcast alone and having somebody to bounce conversation off of tends to help my brain work. Um, well, I've been listening to you a lot and your brain seems to work just fine.

It seems to work just fine, but we do, we try to create a welcoming environment for our guests and we're really just interested in the conversation. Yeah. And that was one thing I gleaned from your, um, from listening to your podcast was that conversation is probably the most important because these conversations need to be had. Oh, agreed. These conversations need to be normalized. We need to normalize everything about the swinger cuck life because it's your neighbor doing it. I say it all the time. There are way too many people really uptight about the sex. No one is asking them to have.

Exactly. Exactly. Okay. So I did. my big thing is origin stories. How did you get into the lifestyle? When did you get into the lifestyle? So it was 2019. My wife and I got married in 2018. She was, as far as I could tell, very vanilla. We have a very nice rapport. We get along really well but we were not clicking in the bed we could not find a dynamic that worked for us I had just come out of a weird little relationship where I was in a very dominant position and I was trying to carry that on with her, but she was not super responsive.

And I came to her in either late 2019 or early 2020 and said, look, we have to have a conversation about what's going on because we're not having a positive sexual relationship. And I want to tell you a few things about me that I think might help. And I wasn't sure exactly where the conversation was going to go. And it took a couple of weeks. As it should. And many, many conversations to get to. What I really am is a cuckold who would like to see you with other men. It took weeks, but I finally got to the point where I just said, look, this is what I want. I'd like to see you with other men.

I don't want to be with anybody else, but I'd like you to be more dominant. And we've been exploring it since then. Now, as I've said many, many times on our podcast, Cuck My Life, my wife got sick a few years ago. We haven't really gotten back on track since then. We've had some family tragedy, but we still have a wonderful rapport around who we want to be when we get to that point. And whether we're actively cucking or not, I am what I am.

I'm still a cuck and happy to be one and proud to be good okay so did you find that the i mean considering the fact that you were in a dominant relationship prior to that um i find it very fascinating that you actually walked the path to what you really truly wanted because you knew you wanted something spicy from what i can tell you wanted something a little bit more than vanilla without a doubt i have i am a kinky fuck hey aren't we all? So I love the fact that you walked that full thought process and had the conversations that led you to being truthful about what you truly want.

I think that a lot of people are scared of those conversations. It's incredibly hard to be vulnerable. Incredibly. And especially men of a certain age i'm sorry but you guys have a tough road considering the fucking playgrounds we grew up on and the the expectations of what a man is supposed to be can really fuck with your brain if you want to be in this particular place where I am. And it is one of those things where you have to. And what I've recognized over the last five years, more than anything else, is that I can be a cuck and still be a man.

exactly i'm i am a submissive but to one person yeah not to you not not to them, not to some fucking guy walking down the street. Like there is nobody who has ever met me in the vanilla world who would think, oh, he's a pushover. Yeah. I get that a lot. I get that a lot. And it was really funny because for a very long time, the relationship I had with my husband wasn't, wasn't very good. I mean, it was, we weren't communicating very well. I, because of my past trauma, spent a lot of time walking on eggshells with him. And that wasn't fair to him. That wasn't fair to him.

But when we actually started communicating, everybody looked at me and said, get it i see it now i see what you guys i see where you guys because nobody can see the thing that makes you and your partner click 100 yeah because a lot of that is the intimacy but we have our relationships in private exactly right we have the relationship that we show the world mm-hmm but we have most of us I think I would venture a guess that it's all of us have completely different relationships in private and that is that's what makes the world go round unfortunately I've started living my private life really out loud unfortunately I'm I'm just going to tell you.

It's incredibly fortunate for Moses, Josh, several of the Johns, the nine guys at the party. You are seizing your sexuality, and it is a joy to watch it. Well, let me rephrase.

It to listen to oh thank you well I have always been a very sexual person a very kinky person and this has given me so much so a lot of times people think that I'm doing this oh you're doing this for your no and my husband oftentimes actually asks me are you doing this for me and i'm like oh sweetie you and patiana would get along just fine i don't know if you saw the big cock i was riding on last night but if it was for you i'm on board anyway like either way like exactly i'm willing to i'm willing to be that tugboat if that's what you need that's what you need i will surrender myself um such a giving human you are i know right okay so my next question is is, why did you start a podcast?

So, we developed a group, right? Hobbs and I actually met through Michael C., the Keys and Ankle podcast. Have you ever heard of him? You know Mike? No. I highly recommend you listen to him a little bit. He's a very interesting guy. He is one of the original Cuckold podcasters. He's a bull, lives in, I want to say New Jersey, just over the river from New York City. And he's been doing that podcast for probably 15 years.

And during COVID, Hubs and I were invited to a video chat, similar to what you and I are are doing right now just a few couples and mike and we just hung around talk cooking talked life it was and that's how hubs and i got together and we developed a dm room on twitter where we invited other guys who were cuck or cuck adjacent and we kind of developed a little support group and hubs and aussie and poe and i all became very very close and we would have video cocktails right because you know aussie's in fucking australia pose and fucking texas and so we would get together on zoom and just have cocktails and we would have these conversations about this lifestyle and about who we are and and what it looked like and we kept saying you know i think other people would benefit from this and so we we put together a little thing we talked about it for about six months.

We talked to Doc Chocolate of the Bulls and Queens podcast because we were friendly with him. And we started developing ideas for what we would like to talk about. And ours has evolved dramatically, I think, the same way yours has.

mm-hmm and mm-hmm and ours has evolved dramatically i think uh the same way yours has and we decided we were going to do five episodes and drop five episodes all at once okay right and we reached out to people there were going to be a couple that were just us then we were going to get a couple of guests and we got crystal walsh who's a an amazing advocate for the lifestyle and for some reason we were able to get Dr.

David Lay to come and talk to us he's the guy who wrote Insatiable Wives we hadn't dropped a single episode I reached out to him and I was like hey do you think he's like yeah everybody's got a fucking podcast if you want me to come on I'll come on and we just actually had an interview with him again yesterday and that was two years ago we had that first conversation with him and we we've gone we've come so far in what we're doing that dr davillay invited us to the sexual health alliance to talk to clinicians about what it's like to be a cuck so they would better understand it if they got patients who were cuckolds or who were in that submissive role and that was an incredible gift to us to ask us to do that because that's what we're trying to do we're trying to normalize this this conversation around this lifestyle so people feel more comfortable with it If we can help people who help people, that's even more important to us.

You want to hear something really funny? Definitely. I was doing my podcast and I happened to have a friend who is a, she's a therapist. And she said, would you mind coming and doing a presentation at the office? Because I said, um, cause I had been talking to her about my podcast and about what I was trying to do with it and about the fact that I was trying to get people to understand that judgment is the worst way to get somebody to open up to you. But curiosity is going to lead you places.

So if you get somebody in your office and you don't understand the lifestyle that they're trying to lead and you've got judgment against it because of the fact that you've grown up thinking sex is bad or outside of the normal sex is bad then you're not going to be as curious as you need to be to get to the point of what it is they're trying to what it is they're trying to work through with this lifestyle 100 we come from the ted lasso school where curious not judgmental curious it's it's one of the main room one of the main rules of the room that we run we have about 50 cucks in there and before you get in you have to agree to the rules and one of them is don't ever talk bad about anybody else's kings exactly that's simple don't yuck my yum and one of the and it was very interesting going into this room and giving this presentation to these, um, like legit studied for years therapists.

And they were astounded by the information that I was able to give them about the lifestyle, about where kinks come from and like all of this stuff. And I said, it's not about the activity that they're doing right now. What you want to get to is where that started, where that desire came from. And for me, I know exactly where it came from because I've done a lot of self-reflection. I've done a lot of self-analysis and I know that this is the healthiest way for me to exercise my demons. And there's nothing wrong with that. Exactly.

If you're doing something safe, sane and consensually, that's all that, that's all that matters. 100% is the golden rule. Without question. So that's interesting that you guys had a similar path. So tell me more about, so where did it go? Where, where did your podcast lead you that you found interesting? Okay. So we, when we started this, we, we really weren't sure whether anybody would ever listen, right? But we were having a good time having the conversations. Um, and the more we did it, The more we started to build an audience.

We get, I don't know, about 1500 listens in the first week that we drop an episode and somewhere between five and 700 in the first 20, 24 hours, depending on the guests. We just did an episode. You can hear it right now we did an episode with four women who had fallen in love with the secondary partners and we wanted to kind of demystify that that idea because we hear from cocks all the time we say well what if she gets attached like well you don over that. Right. Right. Like she's a human being. You're asking her to have sex with other human beings. She might get attached. That's very true.

That's just a fact. And, and you don't have to be afraid of that because you're afraid of attachment, but she needs to feel connection to have the sex she wants to have. Exactly.

So we're trying to just have conversations around complicated ideas in the lifestyle and there's no right or wrong way right as long as everybody's happy right we had a very interesting conversation with a bull named drew marsden about race play um and and what that looks like we we've had an opportunity to talk to some really incredible people and our podcast is really about motivation and understanding more than it is about titillation now right some of the stories are very sexy some of the women are incredible some of the stories are very sexy. Some of the women are incredible.

Some of the men are very powerful. But we're more interested in having a conversation about how this looks for them as human beings. How it fits into their life. Yeah, it's not a BBC. It's a human being. Exactly. Right? And we want to try and make sure that people understand that the people who are doing this are exactly like you said, your neighbors. Yeah. The guy across the street has no idea who I am. Exactly. Well, okay, so it's funny that you mentioned BBC because a lot of times people will come at me and be like, oh, are you a queen of spades?

And they try to pull together rac pull together race play and i'm like i'm the united states benetton when it comes to cock i'm all colors all crates i that isn't i'm not color yeah well actually not even size like i have gotten some of the because every cock is different and how it, how it actually works with the mechanisms I, I have every single time is different. I've had some that were amazingly huge and I was like, okay, wow, look at that time.

And then there were times when it was like, okay okay this guy may not be packing a lot of heat but he's packing a lot of energy and that energy is fucking doing it for me so for me it's not about i'd like i i'm notorious for saying it's not for me i don't really need the connection which is tragic that's not that's how you work right like yeah notorious for saying it's not for me i don't really need the connection which is tragic that's not it's that's that's how you work right like yeah like you're having fun i'm never going to get to that i'm never going to get to that higher level that a lot of these women do because i am so like i don't know what it is.

It was very ADHD. But the thing is, is that I love. Yeah. I don't get distracted by squirrels. I get distracted by cock. So that's one of the big things for me is that because of the fact that I'm never going to reach that connection stage, and I'm never going to get into that deeper play, I'm never going to allow myself to be dominated by someone who is like not connected to me. I have a couple of bulls that I'm getting very close to and that I'm starting to build that with, and that trust is starting to really be there. So that is super fucking intriguing for me.

But how's it feel for your husband? My husband, he, um, he is so secure in the fact that I looked him straight in the eye and said, I may fuck any number of people and I may develop feelings for any number of people, but I'm coming home to your bed every single night. That's what, that's my promise to you is that I'm coming home to your bed. That warms my cock heart.

And nothing else matters because I am not, I'm sorry sorry i'm not going to try to go and build a life with someone else the life i have here is a very successful building okay it has some layers that were not well decorated but the life i have built is glorious and I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. So, and this is time that I have with my husband, because like you were saying with your wife having health issues, my husband had health issues, which is actually what really truly brought us into the lifestyle is that he looked at me and said, I want to live my life to its fullest.

And I said, how does that look? And he said, you stuffed with cock. And I said, I'll take it. Conversation over. Let's go. Let's go. But I mean, it took me a very, very long time to believe him when he said the words out loud. It took me a very long time to believe him. And I think that's fair because like I said, I like the life that I've built. I love the life that I've built with him. I love the house and the chores and the children and the, well, and the dogs and stuff. I love all that. And this is just an added layer. So I'm not going to... And the dogs and stuff. I love all that. Yeah.

And this is just an added layer. So I'm not going to do anything with seasoning when I have a whole meal. You know what I mean? Understood.

We hear from a lot of women who, when their husbands present this idea to them, say they think it's a trick that he wants they want to sleep with other people that it's that they're this is kind of a gateway to them getting to play around on the outside now did you go through any of that when he brought this to you when we first started playing way back in the day, when we first attempted it, when it didn't go well, he had, he had brought up the swinging thing. Well, I had brought it up and he was like, let's do it.

And I literally thought that he, that that's what he wanted or to see me with another woman. And I was so completely fucking wrong. I was so wrong. My husband, I mean, my husband and I on so many areas did not communicate when we first started. didn't have the conversations that it's very important to have because if you if you stop short if you say i want to get into the swinger lifestyle and then you let that marinate and then they're like okay what does that look like you have to you have to go through the conversation and say the thing that you're fantasizing about. A hundred percent.

And I think that's why podcasts like ours and podcasts like yours are incredibly helpful for people, right? Because when you started this, there weren't a lot of resources that you could go to that you, that you could get real information about, about right either it was pornified and right let's be clear as much fun as porn can be it's also a fucking liar it is it does not tell the truth about anything way too good lighting i mean that lighting is way too good right they put makeup on the ass for crying exactly i mean if You've airbrushed my ass, that's not real life.

I don't have an airbrusher in my daily life. In porn, as hot as porn can be, first of all, those people are athletes. They're major leaguers, right? They're doing things that we probably shouldn't do. Maybe you, not me. But they don't ever show the conversation.

They don't ever show the conversation they don't ever show the consent they don't ever show that that negotiation that has to take place before you develop this kind of relationship exactly you can't say i want to be a swinger or i want to be a cuck or i want to be a hot wife and then move on into a successful into a successful iteration of that it doesn't work you have to have not one not two not ten not a hundred conversations you have to have conversations all the time and you have to be a hundred percent vulnerable and that is hard to do yeah you have to lay you have to lay your shit out there You have to be 100% vulnerable.

And that is hard to do. Yeah, you have to lay your shit out there. You have to say, this is the disturbed portion of my brain, where these thoughts live. And I'd like to welcome you inside. And please don't mind the cobwebs. Like legit, you have to take them into the secret dark rooms of your brain and of the things that make you pulse with desire, whatever that is, you have to take them in there and explain to them what it is. Now, the problem is, is that there are so many terms out there. There's so many terms out there that get everybody all googly.

And like, there was a post recently where this woman had asked people to come and rape her. And she used this word that is very triggering for some. And then had the audacity to be offended when they were offended. So, I mean, here here's the thing don't yuck anybody's yum right but at the same time understand the language that you're using has an impact 100% it has like when you're using language make sure you're using the right language well consensual non-consent is a funky little kink. It's a little kink. It's a funky little kink.

But can I just tell you that the majority of women on the planet have a consensual non-consent kink? And I will tell you why. Because every one of us is afraid walking down the street that we are going to be raped.

And this is how brain fixes that for you they turn it into our fears dan savage says it all the time we talked about it with david lay yesterday the the erotic the eroticization of fear is a common i think in most humans exactly and a lot of times um like I know that my husband he had a fear of being cheated on it was a theme throughout our marriage before all this started he had a he had a fear of that because it had happened to him in the past and he had a fear and his brain worked it into a kink. And now, thank you so much. It's working out. Let's do this.

But that's one of the things is that you can't be, there's got to be one person on the planet, your that is allowed to see the messy messed up stuff they have to be able to see it and here's the thing it's not yucking someone's yum it's if somebody needs help you need to be able to give them that help You need to be able to let them say all of the messed up fucking shit. You need to let them say all of the, and then say, okay, so this is where the boundaries lie because we're not in that fantasy. Like my husband's fantasy of like seeing me airtight, probably not going to happen.

I'm a big girl. It's probably not going to happen. Thank you. my husband's fantasy of like seeing me airtight, probably not going to happen. I'm a big girl. It's probably not going to happen. But I tell him, these are the boundaries of that fantasy. And I'm not saying that anything about that is messed up or wrong, but I'm just saying that even if somebody has a fantasy, that doesn't always logistically work. Sure. So you have to, I think you're a hundred percent correct, right? The, We'll be right back. that doesn't always logistically work. Sure. So you have to...

I think you're 100% correct, right? If you want to be in this lifestyle, you have to have messy conversations with you. And you have to... We say regularly, you can ask her to do this, but you can't tell her how. Right. Right. You, if you want to be in our role in this lifestyle, you kind of have to let go and let her. Exactly. Our new merch says, has our little bird on it. it says, don't ask me, ask her. Right? Exactly. And there are things that are going to happen that might not be the things that you want. But you have to be able to use your words.

You have to be able to have those adult conversations, those messy messy conversations and you need to do it from a place of understanding or trying to understand and not a place of anger or frustration this is a lifestyle that is a hundred percent right because this is how it made me feel not i can't believe what you did yeah it is it's it's not even that complicated but it's also very complicated it's so complicated and it's really and i don't really um i know that we can have intellectual conversations about this all day long but practice of it is fucking rough okay it is rough and i mean i've had to have conversations with my husband where i've had to trot out the depraved shit and i've had to tell him the depraved shit that happens inside of my brain and he has to look at me and go i don't get it I don't and then like one because one time I actually had the conversation where I told him I was looking for a dom I like I wasn't looking for a dom but that's what I wanted I wanted to be dominated and he said uh I don't know and I said you're not a dom honey yes and he goes I don't um and then he went downstairs and started searching for a dame for me and I was like okay um that's not how any of this is gonna work but I appreciate you trying and I just looked at him and I said you know that's not we're having a conversation I'm trying to tell you the things that are going on inside my head and I may not be presenting them to you well, but that's what's happening.

There were a few conversations like that. There were a few conversations that started out with me saying something and his reaction was like, and I was like, okay, and we're dialing it back now. So the conversation is never going to be easy the first time. It's never going to be heard the way you need it to be heard the first time. So you need to shock the system, walk away, come back again. You are a hundred percent correct. We, I wrote a blog for our little Kofi that's just titled Patience, right?

A lot of people, a lot of female presenting people, when presented with this idea, when given this idea, they need time to sit with it, right? women in particular are brought up being told that sex is bad that they shouldn't do it that they should guard it very carefully, that they should only do it, blah. And for a million reasons, right? Religion, fear of pregnancy, sex can derail a young woman's life in a lot of different ways. And there's no question about it, right? Pregnancy is a sexually transmitted disease for some people, right? It can really mess up a life.

And we understand that, right? That's kind of across the board.

So when you ask your partner, your female presenting partner, to embrace embrace a sexual lifestyle she doesn't just have to decide she likes dick she has to overcome religious concerns safety concerns a million other things exactly i'm not worried about being a stranger in public i'm probably going to be okay my wife is very worried about meeting a stranger in public because it's fucking dangerous for much dangerous walking around with a vagina is not as easy as it sounds no i can't even imagine what like what women are put through on, especially in this country, is overwhelming.

The misogyny is real, and it's everywhere. And sexism and the male gaze are complicated things to overcome. Yes. And it's so pervasive, too. And you don't even know that you're doing it. You don't even know that you're living up to an expectation of this male gaze. You don't even know that you're doing it you don't even know that you're you're living up to an expectation of this male gaze you don't even know that you're it's so ingrained in what we are and who we are and it is one of those things that i we all need to be cognizant but i don't know that there's really a cure right now.

Some of us are broken. No question about it. I think it's getting better. We're having more conversations. I think what we're dealing with right now is the last gasp of male dominant nationalism bullshit. We are developing as a society in that. I think that fear is what's driving our current political environment but this younger generation they don't they grow up with porn on their phones from when they were fucking 11 and you know how many of them are asexual because of it? Yeah, they do. Or they just don't have sex. Yeah, they don't have to.

I do not in, it blows my mind that they have all the access and all the whatever, and they just don't. And I don't know what that means. we're all being more and more isolated by these little devices that we carry around that's true connect us in a million ways and separate us in ways that are inexplicable exactly and i am so glad that i have found a way to disconnect from my phone. My phone has literally become a secondary. It's like, oh, where's my phone? Because I don't. I carry mine around all the time because of the steps.

It to count my steps but like I don't actually that's not how I want to have a conversation I want to meet somebody at a party um as a matter of fact yesterday I went to two parties one was just a meet and greet and the other one was a flavor. You must be exhausted. I am. Appropriately bruised. Yeah, I gotcha. I am.

bruised yeah I got you I am for the first time in I don't know how long I have fucking hickeys and I'm like what the fuck you're reclaiming your youth and my husband was like I like it that's because you don't have to wear a fucking turtleneck all week july in virginia is not the time not the place to wear a turtleneck but yeah so i just thought that it was so um it was literally one of those things where i was like I really have not had to deal with it since in decades. Wow. Okay. Here we are. But it was nice. Abandon is not a terrible thing. Not in a sexual lifestyle. Oh my God. Yeah.

No, the nice thing was, is that it was very, um, animalistic. It was very, it was very nice. Um, and that was, it was, last night was kind of weird actually. Sorry, I'm going to get into some of the stuff that happened. Um, so I went to the one party because I wanted to see the venue because I'm thinking about possibly doing something like a party where I invite my listeners kind of thing. I don't know. I haven't gotten there yet, but I found this establishment that will rent out the venue for me. Okay.

And I was going to check out the venue and there was a girl there that I had met at a different party who was going to meet me there and then show me around the place. And so she and I just like, literally, we just started chatting and we talked and talked. And my husband's like, are you going to play? And I was like, I don't think I'm going to. This is not a target rich environment for me. Okay, let's go. So then we headed off to the second party. And at the second party, I was like, there's my boys. Oh my God.

And it was a bunch of, it was a bunch of guys that I'd played with before because we all are on the same party scene. And one of them is my, my favorite bowl that I never get to see Jeff. I can't wait to get back in touch with him.

But he was there and he he made me squirt all over this poor woman who was having sex next to us sorry about that hey listen you're if you're in the splash zone you're in the splash zone she's the one who bought brought the um absorbent blanket so she kind of was expecting it not her first time not her first rodeo but yeah so it was but it was a very it was a very interesting for me evening because it was like two very different sides of my personality one was like chattyty Kathy over here. And one was like, just fuck me. I'm all talked out. I'm all talked out.

It was a great, it was, it was a great night and we got in so late and I was like, I'm going to be dragging ass for this thing in the morning. Well, we could have always rescheduled.

Oh no, it's fine because I have to get up anyway because I have mutant creatures we like to call dogs who like have to get up and do things like i don't know eat whatever so there's not a 6 a.m that goes by without a dog nose in my face exactly not her face they they are way too smart for that they hey man uh she's still sleeping you want to make the food you want to get up i gotta pee okay i'm getting five more minutes they don't understand they don't understand time no not at all well they know what they know dinner time yeah yeah they do they know what time they're supposed to be up so has um I Yeah, they do.

They know what time they're supposed to be up. So has, um, I know that you and your wife, despite the fact, despite her health issues, you still create that tension with each other. We have, we live a very BDSM lifestyle. So she's a dominant.

We engage in caging we do spankings we do pegging we have our relationship that revolves around her power over me and it is lovely uh we are i we uh we've been spending a lot of time apart lately for a lot of reasons we work opposite shifts i'm in a factory during the day she's out at night and she's been traveling back and forth to uh to her parents house uh for because they're aged and spending some time out there trying to situate so we haven't seen lot of each other. We got to go to dinner together last night. It was joyful. And we get the day to spend together today.

And it is when we get the chance to be together, it's electric. She's my favorite person. She walks by and my dick moves. Right? I can't wait to smell her. I can't wait to just brush her amazing skin. She is everything. And when she turns on her power, I melt like an ice cream in the Virginia July. Exactly. That's so awesome, though. I mean, finding that relationship that fulfills you on so many levels. And I mean, the one thing that it took me a very long time to fully understand and hear was that my husband looked at me and said, you are my porn star. I don't.

When I look at porn, it's you when I have that exact same thing. And it takes a lot, it takes a lot for a woman to understand that that's truth because we're so fucking judgmental of ourselves. Of course. And of course all humans are, all humans are judgmental of themselves and like, oh, I should be skinnier.

Oh, I should be, I should do my hair better oh I should do makeup you know like we have so many voices that we're trying to overcome that it takes a while to believe somebody when they tell you that you're their it and it's been one of the things that is magically created i go to parties and i have absolutely no fear i have no nerves i have no um anxiety you bring your support system well yeah and the fact that it doesn't matter what happens at this party,'m going home with him and he thinks i'm the cat's pajamas so for me it's like it's taken away believing him has taken away so much of my self-judgment so much of my anxiety and when i go to these parties i'm literally like, okay, I'm not your cup of tea.

There's another cup right over there. Feel free to go play with that cup and get out of the way. Cause I think, I think that guy, I think there's somebody blocking the way stop blocking. So, and that's kind of very important for, um, especially women who are approaching this, women who are approaching this lifestyle, who have been asked, asked the question, would this be something who are really pondering it? 90% of them are probably number one fear is, I don't think anybody out there will like me. I haven't been on the dating scene in forever.

And I'm 100% here to tell you, I am absolutely not a supermodel. Abso-fucking-lutely not a supermodel. I am a big girl, but it's like walking through a forest to dick. It's just thrown at you left and right. And you don't need to worry. You don't need to worry that somebody is not going to find you attractive because somebody will. And I can guarantee it. And first of all, you're very attractive. There's no question about that. Like, um, I, I had a picture of you in my head from, uh, from your voice, which is incredibly sexy by the way. And you did not disappoint.

You are a beautiful woman and you are your ability to have these complicated conversations by yourself. Really, really wonderful. Like, um, arguments with the voices in my head yeah well i i happen to listen to uh i've been going through your catalog because i'd seen your logo for a couple years and i was like i gotta i gotta check that out the first time i listened i was like i'm gonna definitely listen to more of this life and I was like, I gotta, I gotta check that out. The first time I listened, I was like, I'm going to definitely listen to more of this life.

And I was doing my walk the other day and I was listening to your blow job episode where you described giving a blow job. And I was like, I, this is incredible. Like I dare anybody to listen to that episode and not getting the lecture. I had somebody, I had I had somebody write me, send me a text message and say, hey, I'm going to listen to your podcast. And I think it was that episode. I think it was the blowjob episode that I had just released. He said, I'm going to listen to your podcast on the way to work. I'm like, that's bold. That's a bold choice.

You should have a long day at work, kid. I hope the bathroom door locks. door locks yeah it was really funny is my husband listens to it on the way into work and I'm like what are you doing because I'm spending a lot of time pushed up really close to my desk today his Friday routine very close to the desk work. But yeah, so I have great admiration for the fact that you guys are out there and because I've learned a lot about my husband's thought processes from listening to you.

I've been able to have more in-depth conversations with him about what he's actually feeling and give him, give us both a commonality of vocabulary. Because a commonality of vocabulary is one of the most important parts of communication is when you have terms that mean the same thing to both parties, the meaning is understood. But when you have conversations where you're using phrases that don't necessarily have the same meaning between the two people, it's a little bit rougher to get to the point where you're on the same page, where you're understanding one another.

And that's the whole point of communication of communication but at the same time if you're not communicating with the same vocabulary it just doesn't work well we really feel like um going back to one of the reasons why we started this is the cuck perspective was not being presented right there were a few women like yourself and sexy soccer mom and venus of course having conversations uh then there were a couple of podcasts by bulls docks there was a guy in arizona who did something called the stag stable where he was trying to talk to people about what this lifestyle looks like and then there was mike's podcast michael see the keys and anglet but there wasn't a cuck voice out there and we thought we might be able to fill that void yeah because for a very long time cucks were basically a cardboard cutout it was a standee it was a it was this derogatory term yeah in weakling in the corner.

Yeah, it was the guy hiding in the closet. And like nobody, nobody understood what was going on inside of that closet. It was just like, and it made it feel very peeping Tom, very like hidden, secret, dirty. so the fact that you guys are bringing that voice out and saying, this is, we're, we're not peeping Tom's.

We're not under the bed, listening to you guys have sex so in a creepy way we're there supporting our hot wife and basking in that cuck feeling like any other guy, like the same thing you're going through as a bull, walking into that room and performing in front of this guy sitting there, he's going through something too. Like everybody in this scenario is battling the thoughts in their head as well as the emotions that are being pulled up. It just, it's happening. All of us are doing it.

And the fact that now we have three perspectives of what's happening in that room, and we have voices that are speaking of those perspectives is just, it's fucking phenomenal.

And it's giving us more ability to communicate what it is that we are trying to, what our fantasies are we had uh we got an email just this past week from a guy saying i've been listening to your show and well done i i appreciate your perspective i understand what she gets out of it i understand what the bull gets out of it i really still don't understand what you get out of it first of all i think you're protesting too much number one number two we know who we are we know what we want right this is it i can't explain it to you in a way that will make you understand if you're not open to it in general.

But what I can say is that you don't have to feel bad for a cuck. You don't have to feel sorry for a cuck. We are not weak people.

We are men who are madly in love with our wives, who derive a great deal of pleasure from seeing them pleasure in ways that we either are incapable of or we we get pleasure from watching them have these new experiences exactly and i promise you it's fucking joyful for us oh yeah the one thing my husband has in spades is joy from this and I know exactly how it feels yeah and one of the things is he said something to me the other day that um I really sat in and I really thought about it he's we make a lot of videos he and I um with my bowls or videos, he and I, with my bulls or whatever.

And I asked him something about posting it. And he was like, no, I'm just going to hold on to this one for a while. This one, I just want this to be mine for a little bit. This is mine because I just want to. and it was like so romantic to me that he that this was something that he was he was holding on to like a precious memory sure that he was eventually going to share don't get me wrong the man loves to share but he's the fact that he's holding on to it for that brief moment to really just sit with it and keep this as an intimate moment. Everything got wet. Everything got damp. It was nice.

That's a beautiful thing. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's the best part. I mean, women don't like you, my connection with my husband on a sexual level, everybody thinks that when you start in the cuckolding life that, oh, well, the guy never gets. My husband has so much sex, more sex than he ever had before. And he has sex with me a lot more because my libido is just inspired by everything we're doing so that's amazing yeah and that's that's a again something we hear a lot right that once we entered this, the sex between the two of us became much more intense, much more interesting.

Because once you get through the conversation of this is who I am and this is what I want, then it's a lot easier. Absolutely. You don't have to have a complicated conversation about, hey, you know what I really want is blah. You've had those conversations a million times. Yeah. Thank you.

complicated conversation about hey you know what i really want is blah you've had those conversations a million times yeah it creates a communication stream between partners that's overwhelming because you have to have conversations about who you're going to party with what what your dynamic will look like what your role will be that makes it a hell of a lot easier to talk about who's going to do the launch yeah it does yeah it does and it takes a lot of the um resentment away because a lot of times you start getting resentful because you're having conversations in your head that you're not having out loud, but then when you start having those conversations out loud, all of the thoughts that you, all of the conversations you were having, where you were bickering with, he's not feeling any of those things.

Right. So it's dispelling a lot of the internal, like, monologue. There's a phenomenal guy out there. His name is, he goes by Saffir Master, and he is, he does a podcast called Kinky Cocktail Hour. I don't know.

a lot there's a phenomenal guy out there his name is uh he goes by saffron master and uh he is um he does a podcast called kinky cocktail hour amazing humans uh him and his partner lady petra they they are on a they're on a sexual level that i doubt i will ever reach but they have incredible conversations with people from all different walks of life and one of the things he says is the one of the biggest mistakes we make as humans is we create a story in our head for how somebody else feels and then we think that is the case yeah and it almost never is you'd be amazed how many times you could um get past the fear and resentment you're feeling by just saying the thing out loud and then they'll respond and it won't be what you thought it will never be what you thought because nobody thinks of you in the same harsh light that you think of you.

Oh, that's a fact. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I mean, literally there's our own worst critics. Exactly. There's nobody on the planet who's going to talk worse about you than yourself. It's just true. So, well, it has been such a pleasure.

Thank you so much for coming for coming i really i cannot thank you enough this has been a blast here i i love that we've we've been able to kind of integrate our podcast a little bit and i think we're we're having the exact same conversations in a lot of different ways and i'm just super thrilled that your podcast is out there because I think women who want to do this or who have been asked to do this need powerful role models like you to say, hey, there's happiness on the other side of this. You don't have to be afraid. Exactly. Right.

You can find your jam and make your it might become flavored well that's kind of hot i hope we stay in touch and i we we should do a little more back and forth you're really wonderful and thank you very much for having me we really appreciate it welcome thank you so much for coming all right all right i'll talk to you soon thank you so much for joining me today on the pineapple pin up the hot wife life.

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