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Speaker1: Hey kids, the program you're about to listen to contains some adult situations, adult language, themes, and other adult topics. If you're easily offended, this show's not for you. Hey you crazy motherfuckers, welcome back to another edition of Crazy Truth About Swinging. Guess what kids, we're back, finally things are all fucked up at the end of Season 7. But we are here starting Season 8, Episode 321. That was the sound of my snot gurgling up in my nose because I'm kind of cold a little bit. We don't know what it is. We don't know if it's a cold or if it's sinuses or table lickers. I don't know. Want to lick my nose? They didn't want to do a throat swab. They said you've had it too long for it to be strep. So, yeah. So, I don't know. I'm dying. Anyways, so this is Season 8, Episode 321. I'm the host with the most. I'm Cole. I'm here with the lovely, lovely and super warm with all of our shit on, Miss Amanda. Hey. Look at that. We did it right. Yeah. Well, that's that's fucking impressive look at us go yeah uh quick shout out to our sponsors we still have those hard to fucking believe uh but asn lifestylemagazine.com motorbunny.com smoke and meats barbecue treats.com and also don't forget basisdx.com You can check out Basis there, the official testing organization for CASBA. You already fucking started to yawn. Two fucking seconds into the new season. Speaker2: No, one minute and 17 Speaker1: seconds. Wow. Anyway, so we are back. We're ready to start it. We're going back to the way it all began. Having fun. Doing what we do. That's what we're going to do it we're we're going back to the way it all began having fun doing what we do that's what we're gonna do so anything you want to talk about um i'm prepared heated wise heated vest i mean he's blow his nose thank you thank you very much heated socks i don't have heated pants but my legs seem to be pretty comfortable because the socks are tall my hands they might go in my pockets because pockets are heated so okay there you go so let's first get this awkwardness out of the way the reason i'm sitting here with nebraska currently playing iowa in basketball wearing an iowa hawkeye t-shirt uh jesus anyways my beloved corn husker football team fucked up again this year and lost their football game the day after thing on Black Friday to the Hawkeyes. I made a bet with Mr. Long that whoever's team lost, the other one would have to wear a jersey of said Speaker3: school. Sure. Speaker1: Torture. So here I sat if my beard was only longer to cover it, but you know, it feels soft and whatever. Soft and great. So there we go. So this will be the only time you'll see me in this fucking thing. Just saying. Just saying. And then we'll have a ritualistic event with it at some point in time, I'm sure. Yeah. Anyways. I might have to wear it for some pictures. There you go. Some cooter shots. So, okay. so we've got, it's a new year. It's 2025.
Speaker3:
Is it? It is.
Speaker1:
There's been all kinds of shit going on. There is a whole new world. Our world is completely changed, and shit's exciting. We've got big events coming up. We've got crazy winter nights coming up in 44 days from now, which is super exciting. It's our big one in Kansas City this year. That's exciting. We've got your new calendars out for 2025. Your calendars are out. That's exciting. And yes, for the first year ever, hopefully the last year ever, we did Cole's calendars. I think they're cute. So, yes, yours are. Sure. So, we still have a few of these. We have got to get rid of the ones that are mine. Why? Because I keep looking over my office and there's my ass on the back cover. And if you get July there, you can see my penis. So, I didn't pick any of the pictures. So, there's a few of them. No, I did. There's a few of them. Me and a few other women picked the pictures. There's a few of mine left. A lot of. Yours is hot this year. Was it not hot last year? It was, but this is actually hotter. It's sexy as fuck. Let's put it this way. How hot is your calendar? I took, because the calendars are 13-month calendars, right? Your last or excuse me, January. I like this January picture better, so I switched calendars a month early. What's the January picture on that one? This one is a picture of? It's the pillow picture. You can share that one on Facebook. Yep, sure can. So if you're interested in calendars, we've got those. Of course, as the months go along, they get a little cheaper because, you know, they're partially used. But, anyhow, so the swinging world has changed a lot since we were actively doing this, it seems. It's really, really funny because there's been this huge, huge shift. What are you doing here?
Speaker4:
I have an itch. Am I not allowed to scratch?
Speaker2:
Not really.
Speaker1:
Not unless you kick your leg at the same time.
Speaker2:
There we go.
Speaker4:
I probably could have because it's feeling good.
Speaker3:
Really? Mm-hmm.
Speaker1:
Would you like to share more? Tell us more.
Speaker3:
No.
Speaker1:
A little more in-depth detail?
Speaker3:
No.
Speaker1:
Was it by your boob?
Speaker2:
It was.
Speaker1:
It's on the side, right here. So it's like side tip. That's my rib. Can you say it's sexy? No. Oh, scratch my teddy. It wasn't my tit. Okay. Well, I was just trying to help. It was my rib. Scratch my side. Hey, was that my rib? Thank you. We try to have everything that's a biblical reference there for you. Wow. Look that one up, kids. I told you, we're taking the show to a whole new level this year. I don't think people have to look that one up. Maybe. I don't know. We'll see. Mmm, barbecue. Anywho, so there's all kinds of stuff. And, of course, it's so awesome because with KWN coming up, we're getting all kinds of questions on shit, right? Back to the beginning, so to speak, in a way. Some things never fucking change, right? I've determined there's like seven questions. It's like objections. There's only like seven of them. They're just asked different ways. Okay. But it's still six of one after the other. So the first part of the show, oh my god. We haven't, because it's been so long people forgot to hear this message. And I've been listening to other podcasts because I get to do that, you know. Okay. And oh, some of them suck. Some of them fucking blow. People that have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. Now, mind you, let's put this precursor out here. I don't know if we're still swimmers. Are we still swimmers? Technically. See, now we have to put that disclaimer out there. We could be on a plateau. A fucking plateau? Or hit a wall? It could be hitting a wall. So let's actually fuck what i was gonna talk let's talk about that first it happens to everybody you act like we're the only ones that happens to what has happened to us that we hit a wall i don't know if we necessarily hit a wall we just stopped because life got in the way so we got really stoned i was really picky we got really stoned and we're sitting at the stop sign waiting for it to turn green is that what we're doing kind of is that really what it is yes okay so does that happen does that happen see doesn't everyone go through that yes no yes no no absolutely if you get if you're in it long enough yes how can we say that first got because when we first okay so when we first got in it long enough, yes. How can we say that? Because when we first got in it, and us and another couple talked about it one time, where you'd go several weekends hooking up with couples, and then you'd go three months without doing it. So that's a wall, isn't it? Yes. And then you play a little bit more, and then you go a wall without playing. No, that's not a wall. I don't believe that's a wall. What is it? I don't believe that's a wall. I believe that you calm the fuck down. You're yelling. Of course I might always yell. That's how they can hear me's it's like the difference between being a puppy to be a mature dog you don't hit a fucking wall you just slow the fuck down and realize you don't have to actually fuck everything that moves okay that's not a wall that's like determining where the fuck you are there's a there's a huge fucking difference there so you quit your teenage one one-night stands and went for more substantial hookups. You, you, ish, ish. But my bigger question is why? Because here's my thing. 2025 is the year of fuck the excuses. So here's the thing. We hit a wall. That's the easiest, most non-fucking-descriptive way to describe it. Okay, then I'll be a cunt about it. What has been your reasoning for not hooking up with people? What is the reason for me not hooking up with people? Yeah, because you've had some that you... Well, wait a minute. Okay, that's a fair question. Do you want the easy answer, or do you want the bare-bones most common denominator answer? Well, I already know what the answer is. Do you? You've told me unless you lied. Maybe. I don't remember what I told you since I started to tell. No. Which answer do you want to give? Because there's two. There can be two. That's excuses. I thought there isn't. No. You can take and subtract or add two fourths plus two fourths. You can add that, correct? Mm-hmm. Because you can add those fractions. But you have to take it down to get a true answer down to the most common denominator, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. So does that change it? Sure. sure yes so the the easy answer is at one point i didn't feel like we had fucked enough but all the time since we hooked up and so i felt like it was not fair for me to go out and go play when the bigger answer is is that a horribly suffered a horrible depression horrible horrible self-esteem issues, horrible mental mindfuck is the bigger answer, is the breakdown. All I'm trying to say is, which most people don't like to give the honest answers. That's why there's fluff built in. Everything we do in life, there's fluff, right? There's always this fluff ship built into this crap. What I'm saying is we hit a wall is a huge fucking fluff answer. Because that's the reason we're going, yep, yep, I can do that. We have said for eight years everybody's lifestyle journey is different. So how is it that magically everybody hits a wall but they all hit it for different reasons they all hit it for different reasons so what my point is is that they didn't hit a wall there's a different reason in life that they stopped you see i'm saying okay okay so because other it the that's the challenge and the problem is we have this generic answer I'll see you next time. okay okay so because other it the that's the challenge and the problem is we have this generic answer and then in turn okay so how do you fix how do you fix a fluff problem better example basically sorry no actually that but right there's a perfect example so your dick doesn't work oh so we have a fluffer oh so we have viagra oh so we have the pee shot did oh we add testosterone do any of those things fix the problem before the testosterone any of those things fix the problem. No. Exactly. It fixes a symptom, right? But it doesn't fix the problem. So how is the only way that you can fix the problem? You have to know what the problem is. Okay. So the only way that you can honestly look at what has changed or why it's changed is to actually look at and to actually try to figure out what has changed. Why has it changed? Why are you just looking at it? Well, I'm waiting for it to keep going. You're just looking at me like I've lost my fucking mind. What are some people saying? This does have mine. Hers is geographical. Right. Yep When one of you hits the wall But the other doesn't Yes Yep Absolutely Breakdown in communication for Shannon. Let's cause them to hit a wall. Yep. That can happen. Yep, exactly. So these are the answers that have become so very important. I put my hair down. Because now, okay, now you can actually look at it and make a determination of when you hit a wall or when you hit that, whatever completely stops it. Because let's face it, the lifestyle is a hobby, blah. The lifestyle is all-consuming. That's the part that no place ever likes to say. I't care the lifestyle is all consuming maybe not fucking in the lifestyle is all consuming but the lifestyle is all consuming because you change your friends you don't change your friends but naturally it kind of occurs who your friends are who are, how you behave in different places, the type of things that you might be willing to go and do and experience all change. That's all inclusive, right? So when something makes that, to have something that drastic in your life just come to a screeching halt there's consequences or there is maybe not consequences but reactions okay is that why did you just sit there
Speaker2:
you actually just look pissed
Speaker1:
okay so my thing is is what you have to look at then is is the wall is that whatever that proverbial emergency stop Here we go. Okay, so my thing is, is what you have to look at then is, is the wall, is that whatever that proverbial emergency stop, how is it affecting or has it affected your relationship? How is it affecting your life? Because when you take something major out of your life and just have it go, it's gone, it has an effect. Does that make sense? Yes. No, keep going. No, that sounds like maybe you wanted to add something to that. I'm listening. I'm listening. So that's my thing, is that I look at us and I go, okay, are we, if you took us, not year one, not when we're still in the public stage, there's a whole, fuck it. But, like, let's call it year two or three in the lifestyle. If you took us then and had us look at ourselves now, would we say we're still swingers? What makes you not a swinger? What makes you a swinger? Isn't that a thought process? Possibly, yeah. Part of it. part of it is but is it and and i don't know that there's a again swing is a choose your own adventure so is there a right or wrong answer probably not but i'm just i'm just asking the question would we look at ourselves the people back then 11 years ago our views were different on the whole thing to begin with I don't know.
Speaker4:
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker2:
I don't know.
Speaker1:
I don't know.
Speaker4:
I don't know.
Speaker1:
I don't know.
Speaker4:
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker1:
I don't know.
Speaker4:
I don't know.
Speaker1:
I don't know. would we look at ourselves the people back then 11 years ago our views were different on the whole thing to begin with but in my opinion in my opinion once you're in that mindset of an open marriage whatever you want to call it yes there's that. Then you're still swingers as long as your thought process is there because if somebody trips your fancy then it's going to be like, go, go play. Go have fun. I don't think it goes that fast. I don't I think in theory in theory that concept of soap applies. I don't, I think in theory, in theory, that concept of soap applies. I don't believe that we would be able to mentally react that fast anymore. Okay, it has nothing to do with that. Mime is more about a mindset a mindset right but your mindset is based upon something that i don't believe can happen no i'm just saying if you got interested in someone and you wanted to pursue it sorry i worded it wrong and make it sound like it was a one-night stand which pretty much they are which is but my thought is is that if your mindset is there and you find somebody that tickles your fancy that you might want to pursue then it's still okay and every in right every bet that all the parties involved are okay with it okay right yes i yeah so to me you're still a sw swinger. You could mentally do it. That's not how... The bulk of our swinging years were not based on that process.
Speaker2:
Again, everybody said,
Speaker1:
No, now think about this. We were never the dating kind.
Speaker3:
No.
Speaker4:
Well, no. Not really.
Speaker1:
We sport-fucked.
Speaker4:
Yeah, at the beginning.
Speaker3:
Until we started to play alone, we sport-fucked. Yeah, at the beginning. Until we started to play alone, we sport-fucked. So pretty much the entire time that we were a couple swingers. Swingers as a couple. No, but some of them we knew first before we ever hooked up with them. Right, right. Yeah, no, you're exactly right. But everybody, there's no right or wrong. Correct, there is no right or wrong. But I'm just trying, what I'm trying to get to is, has it changed? Everybody's path changes.
Speaker4:
It evolves.
Speaker3:
Okay.
Speaker4:
Some of it's for the better and some of it's not.
Speaker1:
Okay. But it changes.
Speaker3:
But does it change overall what you are?
Speaker1:
Does it change your identity?
Speaker4:
No.
Speaker3:
So you would say that the people that we were then would look at us and go, yeah, they're still swingers. We'd go, God, they're old. Well, other than that part, but that they would go, they're still swingers. No, yeah, I would. At what point in time does swinging become— Because I don't know what the fuck they're doing. At what point in time does swinging become more of a verb versus a noun? It's a thought process. Okay, so when did it become a thought process? When did it change? When you agreed to do it in the first place is when it became a thought process. Okay. No, that makes sense. What I'm trying to figure out is there's no way you can, using us as an example, there is no way you can look at us right now and go, we are anywhere close to the same type of swingers we are. I didn't say anything about being the same type. But in an umbrella term of swingers, we still are. Okay, so let's go more and not umbrella. See, this is my thing, is that I think this is the challenge where it gets to. Why does it have, it's like people putting labels on shit. Why do you have to have all these labels? Because at some point in time, you have to have some shit to find. Because what we all like to do in life is we like to put this generic bubble.
Speaker1:
Bubbles are safe. Generic bubbles make it so you don't ever have to actually deal with what is really going on. So when people go to buy a car, well, you know, that car just had too many features. No, you can't afford that car. There's a difference. you can tell yourself whichever way you want but are you willing to delve into the the bigger picture because i am struggling with that i i absolutely start going with that and i listen i hear people so like when we're out and we haven't been out as much and whatever and there's plus and minuses toes to that. And I watch people go through certain lengths of time, and then you watch, and you hear the same generic safety nets. And it's like, really? I mean, it's unique when you step back and listen to it. When you step back and listen. Hold on, there's people. Shelly, I think that's when social swing takes effect. It doesn't last forever, but it usually happens throughout the process. Okay. Tina, we're always growing and changing. Life will always be changing, and we grow with the change. Sometimes there is growing pains. My thing is, is you don't have to... What would make you not a swinger? Just not playing with anybody. Going back to the monogamous way of life. Right. Which, okay, so... Which takes out the concept of a thought process there's a million one monogamy relationships that somebody in the in that relationship or maybe both of them in that relationship has the thought process they don't act on it not the same as what i was talking about because's people cheating or, hey, I want to do this. How do I convince my wife to? No, it's we are both consenting adults to doing having sex with other people. There's that part of it. I'm funny. I'm funny with you. But that's, what is your definition of a swinger? Well, a definition of a swinger is people that have sex with other people. We do have sex with other people. It just hasn't been for a while. Do you remember a long time ago? I mean, me sooner than you. Do you remember a long time ago? This is a long time ago. Your dad was, we were down at your dad's. This is like the first time I ever went down there. When he called you to Pussy Whip Tippy? Yeah, but it had nothing to do with that part of that, the whole fucking trip. But yes. When he was talking about how people have, how the fear of labels and people being themselves, right? He talked about that, you know, in the Midwest there's a million and one guys that are homosexual. It's never come out and admit it. You know, how two formers can be great friends, live together, whatever. They never sexually have anything, but they actually have a relationship. Do you remember that conversation at all? No.
Speaker3:
Okay.
Speaker1:
So, okay. But, yeah. All right. Okay yeah all right okay come on we're going a dry patch it yes and no on a dry patch i it it's it's not because my thing is this i get the thought process i get the thought process but here's the difference you don't You you talked about when you're first new and you're on you're like just fucking moves right just on the problem that's the way you were you were right there you weren't fucking fighting and clawing doing no fucking peppy lepew cat going no no you were much than I was, but you weren't just, you weren't all out by any stretch. You didn't go on the prowl like I did, but that was a boost. No, I didn't go on the prowl. So, but you weren't opposed if I was on the prowl. Most of the time. There was communication errors and things through the press, but most of the time you were pretty much on board. No, not that one. Hey, we're going to jail. That was three times I was fucking drunk.
Speaker3:
Anyways,
Speaker1:
but at some point in time, and I pose this question to everybody listening that long ago was that I've hit a wall. When was the last time you were on the prowl?
Speaker4:
Oh, but I hear
Speaker1:
the thing is, is that here's the reality of it, is that, honestly, we could still do this if we wanted to. You know what? A married couple can still cheat if they want to. Well, yeah. That's's not this it it's a professional football player can still wear pads and they can still wear a jersey and it doesn't mean they're still a professional football player you know what i mean they they're not performing anything accordingly with it so if they're just standing on the sidelines they're not a professional football player if they're no longer playing on a team yes they're just a person standing if they're just a person standing there okay and the thing is is okay take the same equation over and you're just a person standing at a bar just because life gets in the way or self-confidence or communication or whatever gets in the way that doesn't mean that you're not looking and you're not that it doesn't mean you're not a swinger i suppose i don't know i don't actually believe now at this point in time through all these years and and you want to look for us, what led to the wall was having a business with it.
Speaker3:
But
Speaker1:
I don't actually believe now that we can
Speaker4:
sport fuck. Oh, but come on, you get laid more.
Speaker1:
I don't believe we can sport fuck now.
Speaker3:
Eh.
Speaker2:
We could. No, no.
Speaker1:
Well, that's bullshit. No fucking way. No, there is zero way on God's green earth that we could go in and sport fuck like we used to. I don't agree. I guarantee that between the two of us, we could find a million and one reasons for any couple. If there was ten couples lined up that were interested in, we could find a million and one reasons between the two of us to rule out every single one of those couples and not support a fuck. Well, I didn't say that we wouldn't rule things out, but if you came across the right couple, yes, you could. Right. But at some point in time, when does it have to be less than a fucking needle in a haystack? Well, a lot of times, especially in the beginning, it wasn't. Right. Right, which was part of what made it somewhat. What makes exciting in the beginning is it because it's the top quality of fucking usda choice meat that you're i don't know i didn't think anybody would want to fuck me so i don't know so your phone keeps falling so the so the thing is is but that's what i'm saying is so is is is that the the do you see how I mean that we couldn't, at some point in time, do you get to, are you really being choosy or are you just coming up with excuses? Are you really being picky? Are you really being selective? Or are you really just coming up with excuses not to? I asked that question totally without an answer because honestly i think to some degree no some degree no what i'm sorry that you're making excuses to some degree no you're always going to have some excuses but i think to a large part there are still people i don't know where I was going with that. Never mind. No, well, it's an interesting – because I don't know the answer, but I sat there and wonder. I sat there and wonder and go – I think sometimes we overthink it. It isn't coming up with a million and one excuses. It's overthink it. It's 6-1. The difference is 12 years ago, 13 years ago, we were in it to have fun and just did it. We went for it. A lot of times. And there were times that I know there was a couple times that you didn't want to, but you took one for a team. And get that. That's whatever. But there was also a couple times that you thought it was going to be so horrible and it turned out to be great fucks. Right. And I don't. But the thing is, is that it is falling. The thing is, is that... I told you, your phone was falling. Is that you... The part that made the lifestyle so much fun... But we were also... How old? Late 30s? Early 40s? Sorry you get because i pointed out it's not your phone it's the whole holder you took a screenshot though it's the whole holder is falling down but i think when you're younger you had more courage and more oh that's a great picture enthusiasm to go out and get it as you get older you start to overthink and you start to analyze going, they wouldn't want to fuck me. How many times have I gone, oh my god, these girls are hitting all over you. No, they're not. They are. Okay, fuck you because I always said it even then. No, not obviously. The fuck I didn't. I just had more Roman Cokes than call a spade a spade. Let's call a spade a spade. It's amazing how much more. I'm pretty sure it digs me when I train right down my fucking gourd. See, Shelly, I'm not the same swinger I was in my 20s. And that's okay, but here's what's so ironic about that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but what I'm trying to do is get people to think beyond right here, which is, seriously, when you've come full fucking circle, when you're back to doing the exact same shit that you did when you first fucking started, no one's going to want to fuck me. Nobody likes me. Nobody's going to do this. There's a million reasons, and you've come full circle, are you still a fucking swinger? You are. Okay, great. You're just not that thirsty little shit anymore. Then when do we get, if we've
Speaker4:
come over there? Because now you go, oh my god, they're so thirsty. Because they're hitting on people trying to get to fuck. When we
Speaker1:
come all the way around, if it's a circle, when do we get to go back to the horny and fucking actively fucking again? That's the thing. That's the part of this. That's the whole thing. We say we hit a wall. And it's okay not to be the same people we were. We're not supposed to be the same people we were. We're not supposed to be.
Speaker4:
Overthinking is majoring gets a lot of us it it it fucking
Speaker1:
crushes us think about how much fucking time and money we spend as a community as we get older to
Speaker4:
not fuck and i will say that everybody gets that because some people are still fucking
Speaker1:
Thank you. to not fuck. And I will say that again. Not everybody gets that because some people are still fucking. Everybody gets that. Everybody gets it because the reality is as you get older, there's one truth, which is your prospects change because our 20-year-olds aren't interested in old couples like us and our walkers and our fucking Cadillac walkers and our canes and shit. And that's okay.
Speaker4:
So, hey, come out to Crazy Winter Nights.
Speaker1:
No, what makes Crazy Winter Nights a great place is Crazy Winter Nights is the type of event to actually bring you, your significant other, and your wall and bring it out there and fucking either define it We'll be right back. To actually bring you, your significant other, and your wall, and bring it out there, and fucking either define it or lose it. Because you can bring it out there, and you can go to dances, talk, you're going to be in a sexually charged environment, but one that's under control. It's not going to be this frat party, so you're watching the 22-year-old with fucking giant fake tits bounce around, that every woman's going to go, fuck her, she's a bitch, because she's this fucking big and her tits are this big. And every 20-year-old guy with a rock hard fucking heart on that looks like a dick of steel to fuck this. It is the perfect environment to come and break those things and figure out who the fuck you are. The challenge is, and you're seeing this with the lifestyle across the board now is that people are spending more and more money to try to find some way to recapture the fun of the lifestyle that's why people are spending 15 grand on a bliss fucking cruise because they think it will do something for them just go room to room and knock on the door yeah Yeah. It won't do anything for you until you figure out where the fuck, what your wall is. It won't change anything.
Speaker2:
It just won't.
Speaker1:
And the truth is we move forward in the lifestyle because one thing about swingers is we are awesome at saying we should all be open and honest and all this crap. And we're awesome at not being any of that. We specialize in it. And so, here we go. So you have people paying to go to meet and greets for the opportunity to meet somebody. Really? You have people paying to go to events for the opportunity to meet somebody. You have people trying to find different cruises and res cruises and resorts and all, you name it, to try to find something when all of it comes back to the very basics of swinging, which is communication and defining what is going on in your relationship and where you're at in your, and this is where singles, too, and where you're at in your personal journey or adventure in a lifestyle. That's the part that I don't think people will look at. You've got to read it. I've got to blow my nose again. Sometimes we get comfortable and our perspective gets skewed. Absolutely it does. And that's okay. Absolutely it does. Naked on a cruise ship, take my money. The thing is, there's nothing wrong with it. You actually make it the whole time on the cruise? No. They still have the rules all the way through. No. And actually, everybody on board is fucking. No. No. I guarantee you will be exceedingly disappointed when you spend the money. Much like when you first start and you don't know if a meet-and-greet turns into an orgy, I can promise you a Bliss Cruise does not. Not in the clothes.
Speaker3:
Really?
Speaker1:
You can't even be completely naked in any of the pools. There are some pools you can't even be topples in. Even on a Bliss Cruise.
Speaker4:
As I get older, I see the changes in the mirror and it does affect self-confidence. The mind fuck is real. I won't pursue like I used to.
Speaker1:
It is. And it's, it's such a huge, it's such a huge,
Speaker2:
huge challenge.
Speaker1:
But there's something to be said. Larry said it. And Shelly said it about an awareness of what's going on when you're first in the lifestyle we tell people all the time we've been preaching this for 8 years you have to understand why do you have a certain rule why is it such a big deal if a certain rule gets broken? Why do you need that rule, right? We talked about when you're new about understanding all of these aspects of lifestyle. Somewhere along the line, we think it doesn't apply as you go forward. We don't have any rules anymore. We haven't had rules for years. There's a couple. Minimal. Minimal of the best. Nothing like what we had when we first started. Right. Which is natural, right? But with it, I maintain that the people we were all those years ago, we would have looked at us because we looked at people like us and went, how the fuck are you a swinger if you don't ever play?
Speaker4:
No, we never, okay, I never assumed that because a lot of people don't talk and you don't know who's playing and who's not. I wasn't nosy enough to go who's playing. Now, if somebody talks about how many people they played with, that puts my brakes on and I go, I don't know. That's more apt to stop me than someone that goes, well, I don't know.
Speaker2:
I don't play all the time.
Speaker4:
We thought one couple that was always posting on one web page that they must be getting fucked constantly.
Speaker3:
Oh, my God.
Speaker4:
They always have a post out. No, that was to get laid.
Speaker1:
Right. And come to find out they hardly did right didn't make any less fun so so that's an interesting point that's always been an interesting point for us we've talked about before the difference is that the people that get when they're younger the people that got laid that they could get laid too much Here we go. the people that get when they were younger the people that got laid that they could get laid too much yes I don't know when people talk about it it makes me put brakes up it's just it's just it's interesting it's interesting because it's as humans we do these things and and we certain activities trigger certain things in us right we don't know It's just how it works. Even though there are things that we've done ourselves. That's always been one of the things that's been really ironic to me about the lifestyle. It's like that, the stuff that, the things that will trigger us, they'll hear, you know, if they're going on a lifestyle event or whatever, with a couple or with a person, whatever doesn't matter, and how it will trigger a response when the reality is we've done the exact same thing, different circumstance. Now it's completely different. We judge differently, but is it really? Or do we use that now? No, right now it changes things substantially, especially doing porn. Don't you remember everybody uses condoms? Does it really?
Speaker2:
Right, right. Yes, it does.
Speaker1:
I'll challenge that because does it really? Because honestly, we go to Exotica's and shoot, right? Right. We base off the fact that we can see people's results. Right. Right? And so, these people, you watch Twitter, for example. Got tested, got tested, week, you know, whatever, three days before the event, whatever. And you're trusting them that they. And you're trusting them. And if you shoot five scenes, four scenes, whatever, I don't care. Make them a number. You're trusting that these four other people that are also active adult stars. Yeah, you're trusting their results. Have trusting their results and trusting everybody else's results and that no one in that line because if they've each done four scenes I know. How is that any how is the risk that much more in the lifestyle? Because if most people in the lifestyle, especially our age range or our time frame in, not our age range, our time frame in the lifestyle is not fucking as much. Fucking nose. It has more to do with how many swingers are getting tested. How many swingers are getting fucked? Well, we went to one party and they were talking about how many people they hooked up with the night before and we're like, eh. Caused us to do a hesitation. It did. It did cause us to do a hesitation. Absolutely. Because it's like, well, can you really jeopardize that? There's only two that can be a jeopardize i i mean i know you're you're exactly right i'm just playing devil's advocate i'm just saying that i think that it is easy to take and no when you're first in it's more of a carefree thing. No, what it is, it's not even carefree. It's fucking fun. It's fucking fun. The difference with swinging when it first starts is it is fucking fun. Because when you first start, you don't know any of the fucking drama. You don't know any of the bullshit. You don't know. And when you sport fucked like we did, you just for fun you went out to have fun just like people go out to shoot darts for fun or they go snow skiing for fun or they go collect stamps for fun that doesn't sound fun to me but whatever they just went to have fun and you you were a swinger and it was fun and what made it fun was the best nights that you had were the nights that it wasn't necessarily planned it wasn't a party per se you know whatever that just that just happened and they just crazy nights and you weren't a partier in college you were smarter than i was you weren't a partier in college i was what what made crazy nights happen in college and what made those nights so incredible that 40 plus years later they're still there is because you had no blockers you just had fun and let it ride. You just went with it. You didn't So you need to get really drunk and be careful. No, you didn't necessarily have to be really drunk. You just went on a mission to have fun. And when you just opened yourself up, when you just opened yourself up, yes yes that i was going to take a fucked up twist yes there was going to be shit that later the next day you're sitting there going did this really just happen and you're all sitting there going holy fuck what the fuck just happened yes all those things happened but that's what made it a blast yes some of those nights ended just like at the one party where else the chick gets up and sprints out of the room and we're all going, what the fuck just happened here?
Speaker4:
And I was a partier.
Speaker1:
No, no, I'm telling you, that was our swing. Yes, I remember that. The insanity happens, but insanity only happens if you let it. And that's the reason people have been led to crisis is because they've stopped letting the insanity just roll. Okay, so how do you change it? Trust me, that's a never-ending quest. I'm searching for it. That's one of my biggest goals for 2025. Because I have to try to find that for me. Okay have to find that and part of it is i have to find a way to quit being a scared old guy because guys as we get older we get scared okay we start you know there was a time when i was i feared nothing right and how do you and you you can't ever rebury your head in the sand but how do you balance that somewhere in between and that becomes the big challenge but the realization that's happened is i'm 52 years fucking old average lifespan in this country is 76 do you get busy everybody goes oh midlife is 50 no average lifespan 76 midlife is 38 wow that's young that's young that's when we started so guess what here's the reality of it if you're fortunate to make it to the average lifespan, and I'm almost 53, so I'm 52, that's 24 fucking years. 24 years goes by like that. And we all know that you're going to reach a point somewhere in there that you've got to hope that physically your body doesn't quit, doesn't all the rest of the shit that you got to deal with, that you get there and you can still go spin it into the grave, like sliding in and go, woo! 24 years will go by fast. You can't assume that you're going to get any more than that. And you'll be lucky if you get it. So what are you going to do with it? Because, no, we don't. I'm not doing chair yoga because I think it's fun. You know, I mean, I'm doing it because, well, to try to find me again somewhere in that mix of shit. And that becomes the thing thing at some point in time we allow life to just take everything over and fuck that we got into this lifestyle because literally i know every profile says it just add spice we got in it just have fun that's why we became swingers. That's why we did this. A lot of hounding, a lot of begging, a lot of pleading, and a lot of growing along the way. But somewhere along the line, it could be fun. And the thing is, is that...
Speaker4:
Having all this didn't help it.
Speaker1:
No, absolutely not.
Speaker4:
That ruined a lot of it.
Speaker1:
In hindsight, I would never go back and change all this didn't help it. No, absolutely not. That ruined a lot of it. In hindsight, I would never go back and change all this because we've helped a lot of people.
Speaker4:
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker1:
And because this has been a great outlet that has forced me to be willing to admit things and to... I mean, I've told more fucking people that I don't know shit about me that i would never tell anybody to help people which is fucked up yeah right but that's what it's about so that's the thing i just am to the point where i am frustrated listening to people you know explain why and how and the reasons they won't do shit in the lifestyle and you know know what? No, I don't believe that swinging is a spectator sport. I don't believe it. I still don't believe in dating. I still don't believe you have to date. I did my best pick in my life without dating. I mean, just saying. So I don't need that, but it's like, you know, I don't want to go to the cafe and have coffee every day. That's, and everybody, if you think back to your grandparents, know that I don't want that. But some of us do like that. Awesome. And the last thing is, there's enough room to do both. Okay. There's enough room to do both okay there's enough room to do both but what if one likes to do it and the other one doesn't uh i think that at some point in time you just like any other part of the lifestyle you talk about it and you work through it okay i also think that as you you have to look at it you balance it out. We've had lots of time getting coffee. We've had lots of time being wild. We've been fortunate that we've had both. Haven't we? So it's, you know, I think you have to figure out where. Where does it work? Where does it happen? There are things that I can never, because of this, and I think we've started with this, that I can never pursue here because of it. It is what it is. I know that, and so I just know that if I want to pursue those things, I have to venture a different path to make that happen. By the same token, I don't think part of the fun part of the lifestyle is you don't ever stop being afraid. You don't ever stop being nervous. That hasn't changed. You know, so I guess the thing is, as a couple, my thing with this show is to tell people, don't just sit there and say you hit a wall and then do nothing with it. Because, just like that, you're both not on the same spot on the wall. We've said all we've preached for eight fucking years. You go through it at different paces. So why at this point in time of your swinging adventure should you just assume that everybody's in the same spot? Yeah. I mean, it doesn't work. It just, it's fubart at that point. And I think as we get older, I think we allow ourselves to be pushed aside by the younger ones. And, you know, we make the assumption that they wouldn't be interested anyways. We make the assumption that they won't hang with us. And you know what? What's funny is most of the younger ones are kind of dweeby little fucks. And actually, it's more fun to hang out. Well, okay, Larry and I are a perfect example. We're fun to hang out with. Larry and I are fun to hang out with. If you're a young guy and you want to figure out how to get in trouble and have some fucking laughs, hang out with Larry and I. That's probably going to get you. I'm just saying. Do you not agree with that? You're just sitting there looking about half pissed i love it some things haven't changed in eight seasons here on crazy truth oh sometimes i tune you and larry out sometimes why don't you answer honestly it's a year of honesty i don't listen half the time why don't you be honest with this is honest. I pick up one or two words and I stop listening immediately to anything Cole and Larry say. Sometimes. There's been whole hours of conversation. Brenda and I sit there and mull our eyes and we move on with life. There's been whole hours of conversations that you guys don't even vaguely listen to us. You're right. And that's okay. We don't have to listen to you. It would be nice if you guys occasionally did. Just every once in a while, it was always a cute ad. When we hear, you know, we might need mail money, and then we just... Do you guys ever think... Okay, I'm going to throw this out. Do you ever think that, guys, one thing that we do is we show off for girls as we've done ever since we were little boys. Do you ever think that maybe that's what we're doing? Do you ever think, you've known me for 32 fucking years, who's the number one person I like to make laugh?
Speaker4:
I don't know. You have a bunch of people that swarm around you to get and make laugh.
Speaker2:
Oh my god. You do? You have
Speaker3:
Let's go. number one person I like to make laugh. I don't know. You have a bunch of people that swarm around you
Speaker4:
to get and make laugh.
Speaker2:
Oh my god. You do. You have swarms of women around you all the time.
Speaker3:
Seriously? Mm-hmm.
Speaker1:
Did the truck ever get tested?
Speaker4:
It had a condom. And it didn't fit.
Speaker1:
Seriously. Did you guys ever think about that? No. Do you think that we need that? No. See, that's bullshit. No, you don't get to go that path. You can't change the way guys do things. you can't change that's you can't change the way guys do things you can't change that's not fair that's not okay guys have shown off for girls since we were little boys our dads did it our grandpas did it our great-grandpas did it cavemen were doing it, dog hunt dinosaur, it's been that way, and so no, you know what, no you shouldn't need it no you shouldn't need it but it also shouldn't be that it is that it is ignored because Because what that is is literally, especially if you notice, like when Larry and I do this stuff, we do it most of the time with Tim and I talking in front of you two. Who are we showing off for? Now, it's not the fucking same as when we were in our 20s and could fucking, you know, start a bar fight for fun or whatever else we would do, fucking silly, crazy shit that we would do as kids. But it's the same type of thing. That's the concept. It's what little boys do. And at some point in time, little boys can be in their 50s it is what it is grow up no not completely because it's it's part of it's part of what guys it's part of why do guys why is it it's so funny because here's the thing girls like when a guy opens the door for them, right? Yeah.
Speaker4:
Sure. They like that attention, right?
Speaker3:
Yeah. They also like hand-holding and hugs and everything else, too. Right.
Speaker1:
And you know what? And so, guys, holding doors and opening doors is just another way of showing off that's that's all it is okay that's all it is and but the thing is is that that if you the next time we go to the bar what not just our little group watch around the bar watch around the bar i don't know if the moonshine is the best example of this but because of the bar flies, but watch around the bar. Watch around the bar. I don't know if the moonshine is the best example of this, because some of the bar flies, but watch around the bar. And you will see that guys are doing that all over to try to impress girls. Okay. Regardless of the age. Regardless of the age, they're trying to do that. Okay. So they don't want to. Good Lord.
Speaker3:
Well, another show. Just a new year.
Speaker4:
Just like the old year. Plug your event.
Speaker1:
You plug the event.
Speaker3:
Speech. Huh?
Speaker2:
No, you do it.
Speaker1:
No, go ahead. No, do it. Plug your stuff. No, plug your event. They know about my men. Crazy Water Nights. Check it out. No, Crazy Water Nights. Go to crazycasman.com. Don't forget there's BDSM Hotel. There's a regular hotel vendor fair, meet and greets, the black and white dance on Friday night, and the black tie optional formal gala on Saturday night. There will be a couple pool parties, seminars, the 8,000 square foot dungeon, and we'll have some BDSM seminars, supposedly, I think. I've heard. I don't know if that's true or not. I guess we'll find out. I'll be as surprised as everybody else. No, I'm kidding. You go to crazycadsby.com, there's still tickets and rooms available, both at the main hotel. Not very many at the main hotel, but quite a few left at the BDSM hotel. We will have shuttle services running back and forth, so you want to check it out. It is a great time. Make sure also to go check out all of Miss Amanda's stuff that she's doing now at MissAmanda.net. You can follow our loyal fans and only fans, and you've got all kinds of platforms. We've got books all over the place. And don't forget, for the love of God, so we can get rid of the calendars. Get a calendar. You can actually order her calendars on MissAmanda.net. He bought a lot of them. We always buy a lot of them, because we like to. But we will, also, if you're going to be in the Chicago area in April, we will be at the Exotica Show in Chicago. I believe that is the 13th, 14th, and 15th. We'll be in Chicago, and we'll keep stuff going on the weekend after that. We'll keep stuff kind of going, because we'll be in Miami this year. We'll be in Vegas this year. We'll be in, we'll probably be in Vegas twice. We'll be in Miami, New Jersey, all kinds of places. So we're going to have all kinds of cool stuff. We'll be on the road again this year. It's going to be a lot of fun. So we're going to have all kinds of cool stuff we'll be on the road again this year it's going to be a lot of fun so we're going to be all over the place beating Natural Pines again in August so we got all kinds
Speaker3:
of cool stuff
Speaker1:
we have everywhere so check us out crazycasma.com missamanda.net that's where you find that my calendar you can't find anywhere it's exclusive there you go
Speaker2:
rock on
Speaker4:
alright
Speaker1:
plug your stuff
Speaker4:
you just did
Speaker1:
is there anything
Speaker3:
you want to plug
Speaker1:
Thank you. anywhere. It's exclusive. There you go. Rock on. Plug your stuff? You just did. Is there anything you want to plug? No, you just plugged it. Anyways, shout out to our sponsors. Motorbunny.com ASMLifestyleMagazine.com SmokingMeetsBBQTreats.com And don't forget to get tested at BasisDX. Make sure you check the show notes, and you can see a link to get your test at BasisDX, the official testing company of Casbah, Inc. In the meantime, I'm doing it the only way I know how, the only way I want to, and the only way I will for at least one more fucking season. Casbah Style, out.
