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hey kids the program you're about to listen to contains some adult situations adult language themes and other adult topics if you're easily offended this show's not for you hey you crazy motherfuckers welcome back to another edition of crazy truth about swinging i'm the host with the host i'm cole i'm here with the lovely lovely and not in pasties because she's a chicken shit, Miss Amanda. Hey. We're here to tantalate and titillate. And I was hoping so you'd see almost nibbles because sex sells. But that's okay. Maybe next week. Do we even have any? I think we do. I think the modesty is cute.
Especially with what we're going to go do at Exotica, the modesty is so cute. That makes me the innocent girl next door, right? Until you have seven cocks in you. Well, okay. But see, you don't have to dress like a slut to get cock. No, you don't. But if you will dress like a slut so we get listeners and viewers, that's a different mall game. That's keeping my pimp hands strong. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. If you listen on a podcast platform, you won't see me. But if you tune into our YouTube channel and subscribe, you will. And that's what we want, because then we'll go viral. Hold on, pause.
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So there you go, we'll have some more we're going to talk about midway through the the show so uh hey look at this we got people coming on all over the place uh all over yep yeah oh wow we've got people that are actually live when we're here when we're live wow that's awesome new people listen see i put pasties out there and they come out of the woodwork the crowd comes crawling so uh we had a great weekend this weekend we had a lot of fun we started on thursday night but we do not have the new puppy in the studio with us because he's a puppy and we love him oh my god so uh but we did take him over to our friend's house and they that has his brother and they played while we celebrated while we celebrate his birthday exactly uh we had shots and the dogs wrestled with each other and luckily what first thing it was poop on the floor that was awesome sorry about that uh so but he did enjoy it but it has been fun with the puppy uh so we we started on thursday night we had some cocktail some shots with our friends for the birthday which then he had his birthday meet and greet on saturday which he left early yep he's listening i'm giving him crap he left early, 30 toasty and he's a youngin so uh anyways but uh i know we had a great time over there and uh on saturday and had uh some shots and had some drinks and had some fun and and there's some things that people did that made the podcast because we have now found somebody that we're gonna i'm to get to a visit.
They have featherless neck chickens or something. They're some type of chicken that they have no feathers. They look like they've got a dick and balls, and that's their head, and we're allowed to come over and pet said chickens. They're domesticated, and so we can stroke their chicken. You can stroke their chicken. I am fucking giddy as fuck. I've got to tell you something. Won't they run? I don really proud. Well, she sent me videos. I'm really proud of myself because I did something that I don't normally do. Because I'm kind of, okay, if you know me, you know I'm a horrible flirt.
You know I'm a total chicken when it comes to that, right?
Completely completely i'm never gonna take go out of my comfort zone especially sober especially live in front of somebody especially if i'm really interested uh i actually because this girl was involved in a bit of a melee that you were involved in the week before and i actually said hey i have to tell you i have to tell you this you just have a beautiful pussy and that's how the conversation started and i'm really glad it did and uh and so at some point in time in the near future the plan is to uh be petting her chickens so and and here's what's funny that's not even a metaphor for anything but we did talk about well we're going to do some uh we're going to go over at her house uh at their house it's a super cool couple and we're going to do the clone of willie we're going to do uh casbah all right no we're going to clone yeah we're going to but we're going to put casbah down the side of mine we're going to figure out how to get me hard to get it cloned for that all i know there's going to be plans to repair us alphabet letters from the 70s chickens and hopefully other fun stuff all tied up into one big evening what could possibly go wrong we're very excited just saying so friday night we went out too yeah i was gonna say friday night so friday night we went out to Moonshiners, a great crowd again.
It's awesome. The crowd keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger, right? And it's so much fun, and it's so cool. We had some other new people that hadn't been out for a while over there. What is so awesome is it just, it's growing and growing, and it's just, it's fun, and it's laid back, and it's just, it just kicks ass. So, yeah, no, we're not going to plaster it at Paris on the chickens. It'll be all on my penis. No, it'll be in the mold. Well, yeah, with my penis. Well, I don't know if that's what they do. You've got to be hard first, and then you put it on, right?
You put it in the putty. You put it in the putty. But we're going to tape the letters, Kazmaasm of the seven letters so that it'll be ribbed for her pleasure look her and i have this all figured out all as is most the time what happens when we meet up with couples and i'm gonna back up a second wow we had a blast friday night saturday night to me was a huge throwback night for us yes because number one, the birthday boy and his wife and girlfriend did a great job. It was an awesome meet and greet. Which meant we had absolutely zero responsibilities other than to be participants. Right.
Which, for us, is a ton of fun. Uh-huh. It was this old school... Okay, we like to sport fuck. Right. Right? It was this old school...
Now now we'd already met this couple before but we had well a couple times we never got a chance to really sit down and talk with them and get to like get to know them and that's what we used to do all the time before casmo before all this stuff you know that was and we laughed on the way home in normal situations And that would have been like, hey you want to go hit a hotel yeah i mean but it was we were there probably three or four hours just sitting and talking with him and laughing and having fun and it was so like it used to be and i know for a lot of people that sounds maybe sounds stupid or lame but for us, that's like a huge treat.
Like, it was, most of the people were out on the smoking deck. Because it got hot. It got hot, and it was just, it was awesome. It felt like 12 years ago. So it's very cool. But thank you to them putting on the event, because that obviously made it so we didn't have to do anything, and that was awesome.
uh so that was that's what went on this weekend so it was it was a a damn fine weekend all the way through agreed damn fine weekend okay so now we have a choice here we can either get to the topic now which where are we at we're just we're just 10 minutes in we can get to start the topic now or we can we can talk about well do you want should we do the topic first i don't even know what the topic is you never do i don't tell you ahead of time because why what why forget exactly there we go well it's not your fault the puppy we were doing so good all day today we had no accidents during the day until people started to come home and apparently I thought i'd clean everything up when the puppy had made an accident but i missed one turd that she found when she all of a sudden yelped as she stepped on said turd to get socks on so it kind of threw a conversation about what was gonna we were gonna talk about out the window he did really good today i mean other than that so we'll do better anyways so we'll start with the top and then we'll go from there sure okay so this has come up a ton recently, talking to people live and in person okay and online and getting some feedback from people as well okay so because one of the big things we're hearing i'm hearing a lot again if people talk about hey it's so awesome you guys will tackle the non-sexy topics you know because it's not just about fucking people or just not sex there's's more to it than that, right?
So, the topic that has come up multiple times, and I think this is another thing of coming out of COVID, coming out and getting back out and alive, is cases of the feels. Oh, really? Yes. Okay. Yes. And the question that I got asked was, well, they actually, they asked the question directly was how you could have been hooked up with somebody for as long as you have a friend's benefit and you didn't have a case of the feels with pedals, right?
but then but then in turn they they expanded upon that which was are you uh are you concerned how do you how do you guys deal with that were you concerned about their becoming feelings how do you deal with that feelings in general basically feelings feelings scare people it is the overall thing so i thought well we kind of need to talk about it because it is a real thing just a a little bit. First, though, Cody, we sold 46-series swinging pineapple shots Saturday, which was awesome because for each shot, they donated a dollar to Casbah Cares. So that's awesome. Thank you very much for that.
We appreciate that very much. Okay, so I don't want to talk about feels with you and pedals because that's a totally different ball game i mean that that is that relationship is as purely sexually driven as anything i've seen in my adult life i mean even before and i'm not saying that in any way negative way but even before even before we together, I mean, there were girls that I hooked up with a couple times that was just about the sex. I mean, total, you know, booty calls. This is like the ultimate longest term booty call scenario. I mean, there's no feelings with a booty call.
So that's a totally weird thing, but I want to talk about feels in general because well first of all do you as a woman take out of our relationship or think back to when we first started was feelings of fear for you and i'm gonna let me one other thing while you're thinking about your answer we first started, we were naive on a lot of things. But one of the things that we believed a lot was that if people, we didn't understand poly at all. We, our thought was, if you were in a poly thing, that meant your actual marriage relationship was missing something. We have since... Well, I mean, we did.
We didn't understand the concept. Right. And we have since, obviously, grown past that. So, not with that as a background. Were you ever concerned about actual just feels in general? No.
You are the only woman i i seriously love asking you these questions because god's honest truth i sometimes think that you're more of a dude when it comes to this shit than i am no no are you sure yes have you had your testosterone today yes i have it every day um the first threesome she was trying to work her way in right was i afraid that you were gonna get feelings no but i didn't trust her as to not try to snag you or try to get you to think a different way right there's that but i knew i could but you were never okay so but not a specific just generally you were never worried about no it was just getting feelings you said to me when we started it's just sex amanda it's just an action it's not it's a verb if it was if basketball was called sex that's all it is it's just sex okay and here's what's funny i said that i believe that i truly believe that until the first time we hooked up and then the first time we hooked up it was like then all of a sudden there's like all this stuff this see this obviously i've always had higher estrogen than you this is why i say this is more like i'm the chicken you're the dude in stereotypical roles because like you've never been one to get feels and all that kind of shit you're like you shut can just shut it off you can just go straight to slow mode which is awesome no it's not a bad thing I'm just it's just doing something with somebody else if it's fun you go for more you know but there's over time it probably could develop right it takes me like to stick my dick in twice And I'm pretty much there I mean, kinda Serious, just twice We've fucked a couple of different couples more than twice Several different couples To me, it's a totally different ballgame Playing as couples and playing as singles Really?
Yes, very much so because you don't focus one-on-one maybe i'm hyper tuned to that concept so it's in my four it's in my brain of being aware so that it doesn't it's not going to sneak up on me like feelings you know it's not it's i'm not gonna let it sneak up on me so i'm hyper i'm hyper aware of it okay right plus you and i text ahead of time completely different and so okay so i'll give the example of the one like what are we referring to one? One guy where we made an agreement that we would not tell each other what we liked or didn't like. Okay.
Like, you know, usually, like, what's your favorite position? What's this? What's that? We made the agreement that we were not going to talk about that at all. So that it would literally be we were going to explore and find it when we hooked up.
so the whole time we're just flirting and talking and it's sexually charged but with a like a degree of mystery right the whole nine yards and god's honest truth when she pulled up to the parking lot when she pulled up how my genes weren't ripped into I have no fucking idea and came to the parking lot when she pulled up how my jeans weren't ripped into i have no fucking idea and came out gave each other a hug gave each other a peck and she instantly flushed it's like we need to get inside i'm like yep and we that door of that hotel had not even closed it was was like, and shit's flying off.
Because it had built up, there had been so much build up to it. You don't flirt that way. You don't do that ahead of time. No. So there's an emotional, like. My texts aren't sexting because I suck at that. I do. My flirting is I'll send you a picture. That's my flirting. I don't... Is this a sign thing? It doesn't talk about what's your favorite position, what do you want to do, what's your ideal situation, none of that. If I did that, it would be less sexually charged. I don't even do... That's the problem. Okay, you always say I can write for Hallmark. Like, yeah, no.
When I start talking, it's like... Yeah, I don't even know. It just... Sometimes it a leo thing okay is it a leo versus gemini thing it could be but here let me give you my okay wait a minute michael was she shows up yeah i do i've known to crawl on a lap or two um Sometimes how I feel sexting is, is sexting is just telling a story and each person gets to, you take turns of who's going to fill in the book. Oh, God, no. That's what it is to me. We need to offer a glass. So it's just like, I don't think of, you know, oh, I can't wait to get you in there. I'm going to strip your clothes off.
I'm going to suck your dick. No. I'm just going to keep doing it. No. I can't do that shit. No. I wasn't. No, no. See, that's the problem. Most people do sex. That's the problem. No. There was one time when that girlfriend you had, she was talking to me and she goes, well, this is how I respond. I'm like, how the fuck did you come up with that? I'm like, I can't come up with that. But see, that's, I think this is why I'm so hyper aware of the relationship. Because I can build it in my own, because it's real. It's coming from here. It's coming from the heart.
And I think a lot of guys just tell a story. And I'm sitting there, you know, I can't wait. So until like a second, it'll be like, you know, even when I come behind you and start to nibble on your neck and softly breathe into your air, smell your perfume. You don't do that to me, asshole. But that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And that's, you know, that's where it's like, it's not like, I mean, it gets to that, I'm going to fucking ram you in. But it doesn't start anywhere close to that. Wow. Wait a minute. My thing is that because of how I flirt. You got off topic? What?
Because of how I flirt, I am super aware of the possibility of feelings.
And so I'm hyper in tune with it because i know me and i know that a chicken girl that's what we're gonna call we're gonna call a chicken girl okay and not in a bad way her and i connected think of this most times because y'all's personalities are alike right and what the thing is when that happens like then i'm and they are too we're right in the same thing and we can fucking it it's the fucking fireworks type thing and can and can easily could easily how many times did it take before you and i were together seriously how much time did it take before you and i whether not before you and i submitted it to each other how long did it take before you and i both knew both knew how many hours days weeks that we both knew we were meant for each other don't answer that here's what we're going to do what we're going to do right now oh my fucking god what we're going to do right now okay for those of you watching let's do this you turn that way i'm going to turn the other way hold up in your hands how many whatever you think it was to be how long then we're going to turn the face camera what how whether it through.
What? Whether it be days, hours, weeks, months, whatever. How long do you think it took before you knew, you feel like we were together, we were right for each other. You ready? Are we giving it in days or hours? That's up to you. On the count of the day, we're going to turn it on and face camera and tell. Ready? One, two, three. Within five hours of meeting you, I was hooked. How long for you? I was on three. So knowing that about us, right? Knowing that about us, part of that is because we were meant to be, blah. But part of that is that's my personality.
So I'm hyper aware of the ease at which I get butterflied or the ease at which I get enamored or I get whatever. You want to jump in now? Now I don't even know where this is going at this point in time i don't know because we're talking about feelings so but because so plain plain as when we played as a couple i wasn't concerned about it because no it wasn't the one-on-one you didn't have the one-on-one connection right you didn't because that's a different for me that's a different connection than when we play as a couple yeah i don't know is it you?
Is it the same type of connection whether we're playing as a couple or individually? Same. I swear to God, you should have a bigger dick than I do. I can put on more testosterone and watch my click. Okay, so let me ask you this. Do you feel like... Do you feel like you... This is a completely honest question, and this is not in the feels now. This is just because I'm just curious. Do you feel like you can relate to most women in the lifestyle? Wow, that's an awkward side of it. Well, I don't know how every woman thinks. I think as far as... Nobody does. Just kidding. Don't send the hate mail.
Just kidding. Just just kidding there's there's i think when it comes to feelings and no feelings i think it's 50 50 50 what do you mean 50 50 50 half the girls feel like you do half the girls don't i think you're fucking high as a kite i think you're high i don't think so you don't you, you're not one that feels like you connect better with guys than you do with girls. Huh? In the lifestyle, do you feel like you connect better with guys than girls? What do you mean? Mentally? Physically? Well. Attraction?
Mentally, mentally, do you feel like you, you connect better with men or women in the lifestyle? Do women seem catty and annoying to you, or do you feel like you fit in? Because of how fit you fit in. The reason I ask is because as we're having a discussion about feelings, it is unique because you're, as I'm sitting and listening to you, you sound more like a dude. Stereotypical version of a guy with what most people think, that every guy has feelings that can just be like, eh, you know, just a dick, eh, type thing. There are some girls that think that. Well, right.
I'm not saying there's anything. You're not wrong in any way shape or form i'm just trying to get i may come across as like a bitch no no not in the least no i'm just trying to so that people understand your perspective because may okay so maybe it's again the personality i'm going to click with people that are might like personality-wise, and so they're going to have feelings, they're going to think about feelings more the same way I do. That could be. So you're never concerned about, like, me getting a case of the feels.
I know you're not concerned about me leaving you, but about, here's the thing, feelings, part of the problem is people make the mistake of believing, in my opinion, make the mistake of believing that if you get feelings for or fall in love or whatever that that means it's going to ruin your marriage or ruin your relationship as long as your feelings are stronger for me than another person we're good do you okay so do you believe that you can have that you can can love multiple people but love them differently? Yes. That there's a different type of love? Very much so.
Okay, and I think that's a huge part of it. We talked about that before. My thing with, the part of the reason why I want to talk about this is I think there's the, I don't think it's good to take when people, the human experience is you're going to have feelings, right? You're going to have feelings. You're going to, whether they. There's some feelings on some level or another. You and Petals have a relationship. It's not what's, it's own special. Eight months in, there was some form of feelings.
I wouldn't call it love love I wouldn't call it distaste There was some form of a feeling But Our personalities don't mesh Right So Hopefully he doesn't listen No Because it has Gone the opposite direction a little bit, but he's a good fuck. So it's only strictly sexual. The connection is completely physical. The thing is, and Shannon takes a very consistent communication between all involved. Absolutely.
The thing, even though it's not a traditional relationship or what some people, what we think of a relationship you still have a relationship any when you have interact with another human you have a form of a relationship you and petals have a relationship that is 100 a physical relationship and sorry there are people that you can have a 100 mental or emotional relationship with that have no desire physical, but, and that's okay. But I think what happens is when people talk about feelings, they automatically jump to the part where it means you can only love one, so you are replacing.
So if you and I were just, we weren't married right we each married somewhere else and and we had we fell in love it's like most people go oh well that means you're trading your spouses for each other that doesn't that's not necessarily the case and that's part of the why talking about feelings is so important because if if you try to hide it or bury it nothing good ever happens because one okay because we're talking about communication right one if you try to hide or or bury you try to hide that you have feelings for somebody else. You and I are soulmates.
You're going to pick up that something's not right. You may not know exactly what it is, but you're going to go, something's off. Something's not right. There's some something. And most married couples are like that. now it's changing from a situation of dealing with feelings to dealing with lying. Whereas if you have the honest thing to say, I have an emotional attachment here. If you can talk about it. There's some people that become in denial. Yes. You went through a bout of that. I went through horrible. Everybody around you.
K everybody around you knew knew but you didn't i i wasn't uh so shannon my relationship with a certain individual growth of just having fun together and thoroughly enjoying each other michael i have feelings for amanda but not those kind of feelings just good friend feelings absolutely yep uh then feelings grew each other, and we discussed at length between each other and my wife, that was Shannon. Part of it right there is the key. Both of those, Michael's and Shannon's.
One is to understand what your feelings are, which sometimes you need to be open to discuss because there are times that you and I can have that discussion because I can't put my finger on what i'm feeling or you can't put your finger on exactly what you're feeling so when we discuss it together then we can we can figure it out so to speak but if we hide it then you got that's a problem but as shannon said the other thing is they figured it out and then they had discussions they talked about with all the parties involved it's important uh lisa i'm one that can't uh fuck just anyone i have to have a connection that's more than just physical does that mean i love them question mark as a friend maybe but never like i love my spouse exactly and i think that's part that people are afraid of so when when we had the poly experience the reality of it was the that experience failed because we didn't do exactly what i'm what we're talking about today today.
We didn't acknowledge, everybody tried to, everybody tried to, not so much you. I mean, to a degree, because you could have spoke up too, but everybody tried to push what we were all feeling down, or just ignore it like it's not really happening.
We never discussed it, we never understood it, and it was like this, we're all afraid, that's, we're just not going to touch it so that it doesn't happen which in turn ends poorly i mean it it ends the way it's supposed to end whatever but it's stupid and i think that in a lifestyle the problem that's happening especially as you see more and more and more people having poly poly's kind of the in thing to have to a degree or have boyfriends and girlfriends and you it almost seems like and i know this is totally unscientific just from what we hear and see your relationship like with petals is almost more the rarity when we first started that would have been more the norm and and now it's kind of role reversal a little bit but if people don't if you don't talk about it it will fuck up your it can fuck up well not as well but it can fuck up your real relationship out there i don't know do you ever i don't know what i'm what i want to say this do you when we first got in we didn't we did not believe that you could love more than one person we didn't believe that right right what for you where did it change before you answer that we're gonna do a mid-roll so you ponder that for a second okay so what's the question when did it change yeah what caused change why she's thinking about that hey also don't forget you know what don't take your safety for granted when you go out or the safety people you love get a my cup condom today make sure that you're not a statistic when you know that one in four people have been drugged without their knowledge at a party my cup condom check them out today go to my cup condom backslash discount backslash casbah 10 get your discount and if you want to know what's going on in the adult world as well as the lifestyle make sure that you make it a habit each and every month to read your new edition of asnlifestylemagazine.com check them out today you still have till the end of this month till the couple days after the show releases to vote twice a day for the asn lifestyle magazine awards you can it's friday and it's friday you can vote for us in for best retail business full swap shop best supporting lifestyle business full swap radio and best expo trade show or convention crazy winter nights so check them out today okay i'll make sure i got everything make sure i get all my business stuff taken care of gotta handle gotta handle okay so when do you think when did it change for you or did your did your thinking change or when did not it's so much change but when did you become more open-minded to that concept i don't know so would you say it's probably around the poly thing but would you say it was more than just a natural it just natural progression yeah Thank you.
I don't know. So would you say it's more of a... It's probably around the poly thing. But would you say it was more of a just a natural... Natural progression, yeah. Okay. Lisa, okay, I'll throw myself under the bus here. Yes, I've caught feelings for a friend's benefit before, but I was always in discussion with Bob about it. That's when we realized I could love more than him, but just in a different way.
and there's the there's the key talking about it i i really not not so that it would have worked or continued going but i wish we would have been more mature or ready to handle the poly thing that we could have had those discussions just because uh i think that it it in turn it put like a cloud over the relationship it put it put not a cloud it put a stress level i was gonna say you could feel it it put a tension that didn't need to be there right and and i wish for that part of it it could be gone and that's the part that why i like doing a show like honestly, if someone listens to this and, look, the hardest discussion you're ever going to have is saying, hey, I want to fuck somebody different, okay?
You've gotten past that. That's it. You got past the hard stuff. Really sitting down and talking with somebody that you care about and saying, hey, I've got, I've got, we got to talk about this. I'm confused whatever or i don't know or i want you to know there's nothing wrong with that i think that's part of is willing to admit it's like we're supposed to already have figured it out like being confused about love that's a high school thing puppy love thing no that's an entire life thing especially when you do what we do yeah but you talk to somebody else and you can sort out your feelings.
Right. Somebody, and honestly, your significant other is going to appreciate the fact, if you want to talk about reconnecting to your relationship and recommitting to your relationship, that's the ultimate recommitting because you're trusting the person that you love the most to be able to help you sort through that. Cody, I love both Amanda and Angel, and it's a lot, but this is a different kind of love. Even if I'm in love with both of them, it's still different, and they both understand. Exactly. And there's the other key point. They both understand. Everybody involved is on the same page.
The sad part With this stuff 90% of my lifestyle We make it more difficult because we overthink it versus talking about it very much 100 and i'm 100 guilty of that like i'm still learning okay well so i always laugh we always crack jokes about how I was exposed% guilty of that. Like, I'm still learning. Okay, well, so I always laugh. We always crack jokes about how I always expose all this shit on this show. And honestly, this show is like, to me, it's more like us having a conversation. So there's been things I brought up on this show that you didn't know I was going to bring up. Right?
But because I'm learning how to open up and talk about those things things and it's almost funny you look back all the the things that maybe opportunities we missed or whatever because just getting out of your own way and quit being i've never been afraid to tell you anything or ask or do anything with you our entire for 31 years and i'm hoping the same vice versa so to talk about feelings shouldn't be any different right uh okay wait uh leanne i celebrate 70 years of marriage this saturday congratulations july 1st our communication is truly at an amazing level and we realize we can actually love more than just each other absolutely uh shane how do either or both of you define the line where playmate intimacy ends and romantic intimacy begins?
And when did the two of you first start talking about this part of your relationship when it comes to non-monogamy? That's an awesome question. Do you want to go first? No, you go first. Make sure I understood it correctly. Okay, so.
Compreh comprehended it the defining the line it was actually easier to define the line between playmate and romantic when i first got started okay because for me because set it was like straight set limits it was very physical things like the first time i thought you know when we used to get in fucking i'd still be inside we'd talk sometimes you know and so i thought he was did that you know i was like you can't do that or the time when i called the girl baby and you're like you can't do that it was very easy to go but it was almost i won't say immature but kind of as we've gone through now especially over play alone a lot that line is a very gray line it's a very gray area and a lot of times it's a gut feel a lot of times it's i don't know if it went over the line i don't know and I say that, I don't know if I'm okay with that I went too far or if you went too far.
But the difference is now, I have no problem going, I don't know how I feel about this. So it's not so much set in stone like it used to be. Because our relationship is different. It's stronger than it's ever been, but it's still different. And I think we really started talking about it more in depth when we started to play it alone.
When we played as a couple, it was kind of easy, because we were both there, we were both seeing the exact same thing so you know you could see if something caused me to cringe or i could see if something caused you to cringe or or well you know when this happened we were both there when we play alone and sometimes sometimes i hate it to this day there's times i hate it when we play alone because i can't i'm not there to see it or you're not there to see it and so it becomes a it's a judgment call Thank you.
day there's times I hate it when we play alone because I can't I'm not there to see it or you're not there to see it and so it becomes a it's a judgment call like if there wasn't trust it wouldn't work because the reality is I could be fucking somebody doing whatever and I could be breaking every fucking rule that we've ever had and ultimately you have no way to know you'd never do it i wouldn't i know but there's times that and there's there's times that you know you you it's more self-policing and it's more emotional that's why i say you have to be very emotionally ready to play alone sorry it was a long answer man it's better on podcasts if you say words and I hear that just I'm so Long answer, man.
It's better on podcasts if you say words. I'm throwing that out there, whatever. When I first noticed, well, okay. So bring it up, plan separate. I know by your vibe and how you act if you have more a deeper connection with certain people. There are certain people you've hooked up with one-on-one and it's just primarily, it is just sex. Primal sex. Not even just that. There's other people. Right. I know. It's just sex. Yeah. I don't have to tell you shit.
When you the poly one you could see it yeah and i tried to end my wine i was like it didn't show and you were like no it's it's you know no where the line is seriously it's feelings it really is and you can pick that up yeah yeah i mean i guess i have a deeper connection with somebody to know where it turns into more of a romantic that's what's so scary for me about an overnight What? Why? I'm sorry.
turns into more of a romantic that's what's so scary for me about an overnight why okay so the preface that everybody has to understand this you don't have to it doesn't have to be logical to be valid right and you know that i'm just saying for people listen there is there is the potential or the possibility in my mind that, that you're taking it somewhere. It's new, it's different. And like we always say, you can't unsuck that dick. And this is the same thing.
Once that Pandora's box is open, you you can't you can't take it it back and what's funny is the first time we played alone you were totally on board you were totally okay you had no desire to play with the girl you knew that her and i had an incredible sexual tension i mean insane sexual tension and the sex that night proved how much of a sexual tension we had. And you were just fine with it, had no desire. I walked out of there. And we agreed, you know, I was calling you on the way home, right? And I felt guilty as fuck.
Even though, and you had done, the key here to every listen, you had done nothing but been swerved all the way through there was every part of it but it was a mindfuck so when it comes to spending the night doing it overnight i had the opportunity that i could have done one last weekend and i said no and i flat out i flat out told the person one i'm not doing one until you do one first okay because i because i which is i'm gonna let's just call what it is that's immature as fuck okay but that's always i've always been that way i said before we were swingers i wanted to have a threesome i always wanted to have two girls but i thought it was bullshit all these guys are like well i want two girls but I'm not going to be with another guy.
I'm like, that's not fair. And our first threesome, I always said it was going to be me and another guy fucking Neil. Anyway, and that's exactly the way it was first. And that's to me, it should be. And the same with this. It's like I that degree of like there's part of the immature part going, if you do it first, then I know you can't be mad at me.
But by the same token, I'm honestly honestly gonna sit here and i'm going to admit to you right now that the first time you do an overnight as much as i will be 100 okay with it because i am i will not sleep that whole fucking night worth of shit i will be fucking uh i will be working on shit just to keep myself busy and occupied. And that night will be the longest, slowest night of my life. And again, let me reiterate, I will be 100. I'm 100% okay with it. I know you're not going to leave me. I know this night you're in Congo, guess what? I'm not coming back. You keep the dogs and the kid.
You're not going to do that. But, it's, you're doing things more than just sex. Even though, most likely, you and I both know it. When we do our first overnights with somebody else. It's going to be a fucking slumber party. What it's going to be is, talking. Call a fight. Yeah. What it's going to be is, watching a movie, fucking, sitting on talking, start fucking again.
what it's gonna be is watching a movie fucking sitting on talking start fucking again what it's gonna be is a whole lot of sex is what it's gonna be but in the mind's eye you know you're cuddling and telling them what you love and care and and the thing is is that that's when shame when you ask about that line that's that whole thing. It's no longer a hard set because, honest to God, I'm 100% okay with it. It wouldn't happen if we weren't okay with it. We're to the point we're okay with it, but you've still got to go through it.
And then there may be things that we find and go, here's the deal. An overnight's okay. No, you don't need it.
It's like the kids' kids slumber party they stay till three o'clock the next day no you can come on home and get to i expect breakfast in bed first damn it i expect donuts brought here but i'm just saying i mean the thing is is it i mean it there will be new rules that we will find yeah that we're okay with uh brian uh put the non-believers and people outside of the lifestyle and society also make it hard people will always say you're doing wrong or living a bad life but you have to be you and live your life how you choose and follow your heart have fun and laugh and love because life is too short respect and appreciate the lifestyle and everyone around you absolutely very.
Very much so. Coal is the same way. The first time might have had an overhang. I don't think there's a way to avoid it. No. You have to face it first. Okay. Here will be the question. Because I can just shut it off and not give a fuck. Not to mention that. I'm trying to not say fuck so much. Not carry. By the same token, you also go to bed well early and can sleep through anything. So the thing is, will it?, obviously you don't know for sure. You don't know how you're going to deal with it until it happens. Do you think it will bother you at all? What, when you do one? Yeah.
I know you won't care when you're doing one.
I'll feel bad when I'm doing it, you won't care heartless heartless girl no just kidding I'll be just fine I'm telling you swear to God you're a guy I swear you're like a guy I will turn on a movie and pass out like I do every fucking night yeah I might wake up and go oh yeah he's not here and then roll back over and go back to sleep wow i'll have a dog i married because she's so heartfelt and loving and caring it's what i found most attractive about her is how deeply she loves actually i have to give you shit on this because it's really funny to say this one time i said you were having me about snoring and i said you know someday i'm gonna be dead and you're gonna miss that sound of me beside you and you she turned and looked at me with ice in her veins and go no i'll just sleep really good i was like love you too love you too uh okay uh lisa it took a whole lot of trust on bob's part to let me go to ksn with a guy friend since bob couldn't go.
There was a lot of communication, and in the end, it was a learning experience for us both. Absolutely. Part of what makes a lifestyle fun is learning the stuff. Shane, thank you for taking time to answer the question. I hope we actually answered it, Shane. I don't know if we did a good job of answering it or not.
That's the, probably the, okay, the sex is the easiest part of the lifestyle that's why i think it's so funny every show that is just about sex that's the easy part but one of the coolest parts of the lifestyle when you first get in the lifestyle one of the coolest part of the lifestyle is the sex because you're doing stuff like that you especially if you're think you were going to be doing or you could be doing or people you could be doing and you're doing things with people you didn't think you could do and then you're doing things with groups of people you didn't think you could do and and the sex is the is like initially that's like shazam that's that's as you go through to me the growth process has become one of the coolest parts of the lifestyle now as we go through because even 13 years in you still when we do new things we challenge ourselves we challenge our.
We challenge each other. We build on the trust that we have because if you're not trusting enough, okay, I'm going to make a horrible reference here. This is the whole submarine thing. All it takes is one little crack and it implodes. And that's what happens in a relationship. That's the truth.
Either it's solid on trust or it's not and if you don't know then you are not ready to go down that path because if you do bad things can happen that's just the way that is um dan when i when i let rachel do an overnight i trust her that she would make the right choices and if anything bad happens to let me know about them and and there's the other part of the challenge of the lifestyle you start to play alone and up the game which is you i'm not there to protect you and not necessarily you need it and quite honestly vice versa because let's not kid ourselves there are women out there that are predatory as hell yeah and it may not be physically look you may have a hard time physically I'll see you next time.
Honestly, vice versa, because let's not kid ourselves. There are women out there that are predatory as hell. Yeah. And it may not be physically. Look, you may have a hard time physically overpowering me as a woman. I'm not making any snide comments. I'm just saying. I'm a 6'2", 289-pound man. You may have a hard time overpowering me. It doesn't mean you can't be predatory mentally and wreak havoc a little bit. Some have tried. I don't know. It's going to be interesting.
Look, here's the cool thing about this whole lifestyle and this growth and feelings and all the rest it's just like ksn in august on my birthday look there's a potential to have something i've never done the mo the most the most at a party one time i think in one evening that i hooked up with was like three girls in one night and party you've done more than that Thank you. The most at a party one time, I think, in one evening that I hooked up with was like three girls in one night at a party. You've done more than that. Dirty, dirty girl.
There's a potential for me to disappoint seven or eight girls. Oh, quit saying it like that. It's funny and you know it. No, there's a potential. Well, what's interesting about that is that that is, that actually pushes me out of my comfort. I want to. Okay, let's put it, let's start there. I absolutely am all in. But it also absolutely pushes me out of my comfort zone a little bit. Do you know why?
You've got this look, you've got the puppy looking around like what because there's a degree if if let's just let's just say let's just say hypothetically that it works out that that would that i would be able to the times and everything that's worked out that way in the past like part of it is that you know then you're talking afterwards and you know and just you're you're all caged in the same campground for a full weekend so it's just you know there's like this leisure like talking and the personality part that is important to me and what i do well if you do the math and you do the numbers it's gonna be to be like, got to go.
That's because you talk a lot. Not when I have sex, I don't. Well, after? Before and after? So afterwards, it's like put clothes on and say, hey, we got to go. I got to go entertain? Before nothing. No, we don't. No. Someone else is up next. Get the fuck out. Leave your number on the table. Next up. No, I think I need to figure out how to get them all together and reverse gangbang. No, just like that a lot. There you go. No. Ahead of time, no. We don't. I don't talk. Wow. Well, I've said that. I've been on a side. We don't. It's like, let's. We all know why we're here.
Why do you think you can't do it? Well, I'm not really good at like, look at the time. Gotta go. I mean, that's just not me. And not that I would anyways. And it's not like I'm not like. Fake an orgasm. Say, ooh, shot blanks. Okay. Time for the next. No. Now they're going to listen and be like, and now Cole's going to have sex with no people at KSN. No, it's just, I've never been, well, one, I've always been able to justify not worrying about it because it's my event. So whatever. But it's set up more and we're at a point with this one that runs smooth and the opportunities present itself.
And it's my birthday, so got to do it before things fall off. So, but it's just, it's about, it's still about growth and learning. It's still about, everything about this is still about growing and growth and personal achievements and advancement. Not achievements. Achievements. Not achievements, but I mean. Did you get an award for that? No, it's not about achievement. That sounds horrible. I'm just saying, now they're going to listen to me like, what?
No, I'm not actually going to, gonna i'm not it's not the plan of like to just go on a sex spree i'm just saying that because of how i am you gonna stay awake there for this part because of how i am it's it's like a it's it's it it it forces me to to do something different and something different, which is good. That's what it's all about. And it could be that I'll just run around and nothing will happen. Who needs to clone a willy if Colt's going to fall off? I'm just saying. As Cole laughed at that, who needs to clone a willy if Colt is going to fall off anyway? No.
We're going to, look, here's the thing. That's funny. We're going to take an offer up for sale. We'll see. That was one of the things we were joking about. We'd have, like, casket penises for sale. If I was bigger, that'd be awesome, but just saying, you know. Nobody wants a little paperweight. All right. Whatever. Wow, what a great show. Gotta go, folks. Anywho. Just saying. And I'm not just on a mission to just screw it, KSN. Anyways, that's not what I do. If it happens, it happens. If we all want to coordinate and do a reverse gangbang, I'm sure we can make something work out.
i'm gonna strap your butt in the swing no no no no you're not because i'm gonna have a corner no because here's the unless you bring vix to plug up my nose i will be able to figure out every girl for the idea won't happen hey you're not strapping me down anyway look the last time they shackled me up something that is uh uh yes it will be a kill to my friend so but no we're not strapping me down anyway. Look, the last time they shackled me up to something, that is, yes, it will be a kill to my friend. But no, we're not, we're not, no. But you know, you know, power of sniff. I will, I will.
You know how bad that sounds, right? No, they're perfumes and stuff. Okay. He knows you by your hair products. He knows you by perfume, cologne.
Your your perfume perfume and cologne and yep yep laundry detergent he's kind of scary when it comes to that i don't i don't forget no he doesn't when you and some of those girls that some of the girls that are there uh know that uh they have ones i really really like and I can usually pick them up like from a distance I can there's a couple people one that was listening earlier that I can I can tell her what I can pick up hers when she's just comes in the same room I can I can have blindfolded if she's in the room but same with you same with a couple other people one of them that one of them that had me tied up last year that was helping when I was tied up I can have a blindfold on if she's in the room.
Same with you. Same with a couple other people. One of them that had me tied up last year that was helping when I was tied up. I can pick hers out when she walks in the room. One good one. Yep. Just saying. It's a gift. What's your superpower? Here's what's so funny. Sniffing people. This is so funny. It's adult shit. It's porn stuff. It's all that, right?
I would be happy to give give up if we could take the power of the nose and like you know my dick but instead I don't know if it'll work but I can sniff you out great I'm like part blood out great what's your job I can find you I'm going around sniffing people that's weird it's nose porn I've got nose porn. That's awesome. Hit me. Now people are like, we're not coming. We're not going to. I'd love to see that. We've got people going to count me in for gangbang. All right. Well, if we want to schedule a reverse gangbang, we can certainly figure that out. Just saying.
Just throwing that out there. Interesting. Just saying. Actually, I was wrong.
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