When is it Cheating

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hello everybody this is donna lynn and welcome to my hot white podcast i'm watching my husband messing around i happened to find a tape measure we were talking about what were you measuring remember how i measured my daughter's window using the using your penis i was like god damn 75 you know time and now you used your arm. Yeah, so I just had to find tape measure, so I measured my arm to see. It's over 18 inches. It's 20 inches, like I thought it might be. Okay, that was exciting. That was exciting. I thought you were fucking with it. I'm like, what are you? Oh, that's right. Now I know.

That's right. It wasn't really something we needed to share. It wasn't bad. It's not interesting. You made me laugh, so I couldn't help it. That's kind of what I do, isn't it? Yes, all the time. All the time. And sometimes with my pants on. Sometimes. Sometimes. Hard to believe. Not really. But it's a great day today. We got to get in the pool. Oh, that's always good. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I got to see you in a little bikini. It was nice. A little bikini. Yeah. I could be swimming nude, but we have that open part there. We're fixing the debt. Our neighbors don't go out.

No, but we're still fixing the fence. They don't cut their own lawns. They don't go out. Meantime, we're out there fucking building shit and doing shit. Our neighbors are like, geez, they do manual labor. Oh, my God. White trash. So, anyway. Well, I like doing that kind of stuff. I think it's fun.

The thing is, it's like the pergola we we built this little 10 by 10 pergola in what we got most of it done in one afternoon and then we finished it the next day and then you're like well i'm having sex under it like the next day you know we put a little we're having sex under what's that so it wasn't even finished and you were having sex under it no we finished it whatever we finished Whatever. We finished it. It doesn't matter. You don't have a meal. No, we, honest. But that's kind of the fun thing we do. It's like, oh, we're going to build this little deck thing.

Well, maybe we've got sex on it. It's sort of like how inventions have happened through time. People invent something and then the next person goes, how can we use this? How can we do that? Yeah, what can that be used for sex? We talked about that show. We talked about that. We had that show. Yeah, any new invention, the next thing is like, hmm, how can we make that and use it for sex somehow? It's like, oh, that'd be fun to fuck in. Yeah. The car was invented. That's the one I always think about. We can fuck in that.

Hey, hotels always think about we can fucking that hey hotels oh we can meet there and have sex yeah you know the first motion picture camera is like let's make a porn well it wasn't called porn at the time but we'll make skin record us having sex you know i mean you know i'm convinced they made the fucking blender and someone goes, oh, can I rub up against that? Yeah, that'd be a washer and dryer. Washer and dryer, too. I mean, there you go. So anyway, if you want to reach out to us, info at hotwifepodcast.com and Spunk Lube. I got to do Spunk Lube. Got to do Spunk Lube. Yeah.

I mean, if you're in a tight situation, Spunk Lube is the way to go. That should actually be their catchphrase if you're in a tight situation. In a tight situation. Yeah. I've been in those tight situations. That dick was just so fucking big. That's fine. Yeah. I still don't think I recovered. Yeah, you were supposed to have a guy come by today, that beer can Dick guy. Yeah, I'm glad I... Well, whatever. We had stuff to do. We had a lot of stuff. He was kind of noncommittal. Yeah, I hate that.

Just, if you want to come and fuck me, just tell me you want to come me don't be like fun with dave the other night on the show oh my god dave was a blast yeah they blasted you twice once we got on the show we were hanging out on the deck having bourbon and a cigar and uh next thing i know there was a dick in your mouth again i don't know how that happens i well his dick came that was... His pants came down to the ground. Uh-huh. He stood up. Oh. You knelt down, and... There you go. That's kind of what happened, so... That's what happens. Yeah. Oh, God. Blame it on me. I'm just evil that way.

I didn't say it's evil, but whatever. I mean, whatever it is. Yeah, that was fun. It was erotic. It absolutely was. I mean, he's somebody that I've known for a while. I think we even said that on the last show. So it's been that kind of thing like, so, you know, this is a part of him I don't know anything about until fairly recently. Yeah, and there's, I mean, there's obviously a mutual attraction. Sure, absolutely. He's in a situation that he's trying to work out. He's kind of remotely dating someone, but not sure if he's dating someone. It's a long distance relationship.

He's not sure if it's working or not working. Yeah. A lot of questions. I reached out to him yesterday because you were, you were working and I said to him, hey hey man you want to come over and hang out i'm in the pool just you know come over have a cigar some bourbon chill and he you know he was traveling for business so he couldn't but uh we talked on the phone and uh you know he expressed you know he he wants to fuck you in the worst way and i was like i don't don't know what that's like. In the worst way? You, honey, you fuck me. Oh, you always fuck me in the worst way. Yeah.

You mean it differently than he did. Yeah, I'm sure. But, you know, he says, you know, not that necessarily oral sex was not cheating. You know, it depends if you're using the Clinton definition. That is the thing I found very interesting. And maybe we can just segue into that before we go into the actual topic. Sure. You know, people's, where do you draw the line in the sand between being, quote, faithful and then cheating? Well, that's, like I said, the Clinton law.

You know, Clinton, you know, was like, well, sucked my dick but that's fine didn't have sex with her right well is oral sex if you're breaking a plane if you're again everyone has their own definition okay but my definition is if you help someone achieve orgasm whether it's through masturbation, oral sex, in our course, even in my opinion, technically, if you're having even phone sex and the person is masturbating to what you were talking about, that's kind of having sex to some level. Yeah, I find that not even...

Yeah, if you're having having oral sex if you're giving them oral sex okay and again it doesn't matter which person you are if you're the male or female right exactly you're giving if you're if a part of your body is touching part of their anatomy that helps them achieve orgasm my definition is you're having sex i'm not saying it's's bad i think that the thing for me is unless you're really bad at it yeah that's a whole other story give them an orgasm well for me it's it's the actual breaking of a plane if you have like okay so the mouth is a plane the vagina is a plane exactly okay if you.

If somebody sticks their dick in your mouth, you've broken the plane. Yeah. If you stick your dick in a woman's vagina, you broke that plane. Yeah, that's how I, because you're actually inside that other person's body. I guess you can. Well, are you in it or are you touching it? Well, in this case, you're actually in it. Your tongue is actually in their mouth. If you're in the fuck hole, sure. Your dick is actually in their mouth. Okay, so kissing would be sex. Thank you. Well, in this case, you're actually in it. Your tongue is actually in their mouth. If you're in the fuckhole, sure.

Your dick is actually in their mouth. Okay, so kissing would be sex. It could be. It could be. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it's your definition. For me, I would not really consider kissing sex. But yeah, if your tongue goes into another person's mouth, then you broke the plane. So technically, if you use that.

I don't think we're going to get to our our topic i think this is a whole new topic i think it's a whole new one um you know what i'm saying so yeah it depends on the kiss that's true how passionate was it just a little you know peck on the cheek or just a little on the lips you know just very dry but even if i think if i went to someone and I gave them, let's say it's a 15 second kiss and there was minor tongue play, I don't necessarily consider that sex. Yeah, I could see that. I understand that. But by your definition, you broke the plane. You broke the plane.

Yeah, I don't think the definition is all that true and tried. You know what I'm saying here that's one where i'd be like yeah that's really kind of superficial you know but that could lead to the potential of more which would potentially be sex sure oh my god kissing is a gateway to sex say it isn't so oh if it's done right it is it done right. Right. Yeah. I mean, generally, if you are a good kisser, the person that you kissed is, if not immediately, but shortly thereafter, is thinking, oh, my God, what else can I get from you? Exactly. Where's that going? I'm so aroused. Right, exactly.

You started my juices flowing or whatever whatever um yeah i mean but um yeah no it's so what do you think what was um oh your definition was just getting somebody aroused to achieve orgasm well i mean if you're doing something that could potentially help someone achieve orgasm. And I was having all... Well, I'm saying through what you're doing, not like getting them turned on and they go home and masturbate. I don't necessarily think that's not necessary. It could be.

But yeah, if you're giving oral to someone and they achieve orgasm, yeah, you had sex had sex with them it might have been oral sex but you had sex with them yeah um if you stick your dick in their mouth their pussy or their ass right i think you had sex with them i agree i agree and um or if you do something I was thinking the couch dances. How many guys came when I fucking grind on them? That was. That's not sex. I'm sorry. I don't think that is sex. He achieved orgasm. That is teasing. But you didn't touch them with your body in a way. You didn't use your hand. No, I did use my body.

Their dick was in their pants. Yes, their dick was in their pants. So I don't feel that was sex or cheating. It's borderline cheating in a sense, but that was your job is to be arousing. Right, exactly. And they came there to be aroused. So I don't necessarily think, in my opinion, and that's all we're talking is our own opinions. Yeah, I don't even know where I'm going with this. I wanted to hear what... Yeah, no, I don't find it cheating. I actually see that as a huge compliment for the person, for the woman who is giving the couch dance. Couch dance, right.

Because you're seeing how much that this individual was aroused by you that without any physical touching or direct stimulation, that's probably a better way of wearing it. But it is. If you're grinding on it, isn't that direct stimulation? No. No. If they have pants on and stuff like that. It doesn't matter. Pants are like, you know, that thin.

I understand, but it's not like they it's not skin to skin that's that's your thing my dick over top of my pants versus you put your hand in my pants and are actually grabbing my cock right exactly um that there's a difference there i i see what you mean yeah you know it's like this what if his, he's wearing sweatpants, and I grabbed his dick with my butt cheeks? Because I used to be pretty borderline. That's a toss-up call. That is a toss-up call. That's a toss-up call. Yeah. I wasn't that good with it.

Every now and then, it's like I could just get my butt, and they're like, you know, kind of like I'd sit on them and kind of grab their, get their bul i know their bulge between my butt cheeks and i could just kind of like well especially that one guy tollgate that's okay jesus christ that guy when you you had talked about him numerous times and when i was in the club that one time he came this guy came walking out and wearing sweatpants and the fucking dick his dick entered the room two minutes before he did i know it's just like dude you're not even trying to hide that nope not even trying and uh god bless him with that thing but yeah i know he was definitely gifted in that area he had enough penis for like four guys yeah i know i remember him coming out like holy yeah i don't think he was wearing underwear he just was wearing like the loose sweatpants like when i saw them, it was like the gray kind that had the drawstring and they're gathered at the ankles.

Exactly. The fucking Walmart fucking $9.99 sweatpants or whatever they might be now. Again, this was 15 years ago or more. Slightly more. 20. 20 years ago. Close to it. Yeah, close to 20 years ago. Yeah. I remember him wearing, sometimes he'd come back from, he would just get done work and he would deliberately wear like, they're dress pants, but they were baggy. You know how they. Well, if I had a dick that big, I'd wear a baggy too. Yeah, you'd have to have them baggy. Jesus Christ. If you're wearing tight pants and you get a hard on with that thing. Oh, forget it.

you're not wearing pants it's like maybe depends on the fabric burst out it was like the whole kind of thing like rip the shirt but yeah no i i think he was wearing those sweatpants that night and wasn't wearing underwear there was nothing restraining that motherfucker is there anything that could oh these are the guys here wear boxers, which I get, because you can't just stuff that all into a pair of briefs. I don't think. I just don't think there's any support. It's like. Well, that's another topic for another show. We need to cover this. Boxers or briefs. Or a commando. Underwear.

Or a commando. That's going to be another show. We have to write that down. Underwear. I'm going to write that down. I'm going to put that down on my list. Okay, we'll do that. But, yeah, I think the definition of sex almost, for me, needs to be almost some amount of direct contact that aids in the giving of an orgasm. Well, if you don't have an orgasm, does that mean you didn't have sex? Yes. If you don't have an orgasm. No. You know? No. I had sex. I mean, we did fuck.

We fucked for two minutes and you didn't come i didn't come so all bets are off i didn't it's not sex sorry no your definition of breaking the plane is there that's the breaking the plane is is like um the big one that's like that's where you if we weren't swingers that would definitely be something that i guess most people in the in the vanilla world that's that's the thing you know once you break the plane you can't go back you know you talk Thank you.

something that i guess most people in the in the vanilla world that's that's the thing you know once you break the plane you can't go back you know you talk dirty to somebody you can reel that in a little bit or whatever but once once you break break the plane once another part of a person's body is in you that's as intimate as you can possibly be with that other person you're technically connected you're connected exactly so i think a lot of people that's that's the the yeah no where you don't want to go over that because then yeah then you're cheating at that point i mean for us we don't we don't care so it's a moot point for us but yeah i i guess it's nice to have a definition of sex well again it depends on what level of importance do you put on I'll see you next time.

It's a moot point for us, but yeah, I guess it's nice to have a definition of sex. Well, again, it depends on what level of importance do you put on sex? Exactly. Yeah, again, I guess part of the swinger world, again, to rehash what we've gone over for the last three plus years. I think sex is very important to people in the swinger world.

Well, okay, well, no, where I'm going is when is it sex and when is it making love see that's another gray area people tend to uh get very wishy-washy yeah get really wishy-washy because i've had i've had guys i just want to make love to you i'm like no you don't no you don't and no i don't want you to i just want you to have sex with me and i just want to have sex with you i don't want we're just going to get together and make each other feel yeah and and have fun you're a nice person swap there's no no i mean because you make me come doesn't mean i love you exactly but you could be a really nice person i i would you know i like i like my playmates for the most part i want to see you again uh shut up might forget my wife uh go ahead no sorry you meant the other wife okay sure whatever we'll go with that that sounds good yeah keep you from ragging at me too much i hate you i really do you're a pain in my ass i will be um but um yeah yeah i mean okay you're talking about how swingers and they're the wishy-washiness of the difference between love and sex we have sex with other people right make love to other people exactly yeah swingers aren't making i mean i've had i've me that, you know, when they are, it might even be the host of the party that he doesn't have sex with them.

He actually makes love to them. And I was like, oh, okay, that's what that, go for it. People think they have magic cocks. That's true, okay. I mean, in all fairness, I mean, everyone has their own definition. Sure. We're expressing our opinion and our definition. I'm sure we're wrong, but that's fine. You can argue, agree, or question whatever we say. You're welcome to do that. And that's what you should do. These are all things like. Sure, we're just talking. Yeah, I mean. We are authorities officially on nothing. Nothing. But, you know, yeah, I've had sex with a lot of women.

But I've only made love to a few women in my life. Exactly. You know, and, but, yeah, I think, yeah, having sex, there's no real emotions tied into it. If you have emotions tied into it, now's love making well is is passion considered a i think so well if you're i've had plenty of like at the parties okay the women tell me that i don't sit there and like oh my god i'm not thinking about these women non-stop afterwards no i think but while you're in the mix there's probably a passion there is a a lust. Okay, lust as opposed to passion. Passion is consistent with lovemaking.

Then lust is consistent with raw sex. You're into it. You want to embrace that emotion, and that emotion is, I guess, lust. Passion, if you're making love, lust. Lust and love are two different things, so okay. Absolutely. Yeah, no, I can agree with that. Absolutely. I sit there and think, like, when I play with women, other women, I mean, I look at it as I'm going in to have fun. Oh, exactly. I'm not going at it from, I mean, I look at it as a challenge to, I want to give this person, this woman as much pleasure as I can.

I'm not looking at it like, oh my God, I hope she emails me or calls me or texts me. Or it's like, oh my God, I don't think about it the next day. Like, oh, is she thinking of me? No, I don't. It's just like, okay, it was one and done. It was fun. It was like, to me. See you later, next time we meet, maybe we'll do it again.

It was like going to a restaurant you know i went there i had a good meal and i went on and i might have thought it's like hey you know somewhere down the road might be fun to go back to that restaurant but you're not sitting there like i can't eat anywhere else i can't think of any other food i have to i can only think of going there no it's not no not like that no yeah you know but um again my thought process with you is different right you know it's like oh my god i'm married to this christ yeah one set of flips what nothing i wasn't gonna talk about you bitching all the time Oh, my God.

Shut up. Such an ass. Choo- but I honestly don't believe swinging is for you. Oh, my God. And we do see it, and it's like, oh, I get a little cringy with that. Yeah. I mean, we've said it a hundred times before. Swinging isn't necessarily for everyone. No, no, it's not. And if you're not in the right mindset, you can ruin a relationship you're in. Oh, absolutely. If you're too possessive, if you're too quickly attached to someone. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's right.

not in the right mindset you can ruin a relationship you're in oh absolutely if you're too possessive if you're too quickly attached to someone uh-huh um yeah that could really you could easily yeah these are cautionary tales yeah um only because we've seen that happen and people get um they get too excited about playing with other people and they kind of like leave their mate to the side kind of a thing. And it's like, oh, come on. They kind of, what do I want to use, almost abandon their mate. Yeah, yeah.

Thinking like, oh, my God, this one is prettier potentially than my mate, is hotter than my mate, whatever you want to word it as. Like, oh, she does things my mate won't do. right okay you know yeah and i understand where that can be exciting but again it's like we said before a hundred times it's like having filet mignon you can't have that every meal it's not special exactly exactly that makes sense you know if you're having filet mignon for lunch and for dinner every day every day every, every day. It's not special. Right. You know, but, I mean, everyone's different. Yeah.

Yeah, I think you have to be careful. Absolutely. There's a lot of, we talked about the red flags before with other things, and some of those red flags on this one is people that get very clingy or very possessive or very i think i'm like ultra focused on you know a certain playmate you might want to you know keep your eyes out for that because yeah and i think it's gonna go bad i can understand where certain playmates may have a higher level of attraction okay like dave right you know due to your prior connections.

Exactly connections I understand where something like that is erotic and the thing is you guys have not had sex or intercourse we've done oral and so there's still something out there to be done that offers a different level of pleasure. Exactly. But again, to get back to where the story started, the only reason why we had Oral, because in his mind, full intercourse was cheating, but Oral wasn't. Or at least he felt less guilty by it. Yeah, I wouldn't say he feels it's cheating.

I think he would even think that, or realizes that the Oral is cheating, because just might not be the same level of cheating. Oh, so there's different levels of cheating. I don't know, is there? I don't know. It's all up for discussion. It is, it's... What can you do? Let's pretend we weren't swingers. Okay. Okay? What would you be willing to do? And I know you well enough, so I already know the answer. Oh, okay, good. You wouldn't do anything. But what would you be willing to do with someone without my knowledge of it and still feel you're within the boundaries of not cheating? Oh, nothing.

That's what I'm saying. I know you well enough. I know you well enough. Yeah, nothing, nothing. You're included. And I'm kind of that same way. I mean, like, you and I were just business partners and friends i didn't you saw me i had opportunities to fool around with a lot of different models and stuff like that and i didn't do it i didn't cheat on my ex-wife um but um in any level of cheating any level didn't kiss another woman didn't right finger finger nothing I was 110% respectful, sorry to say. Well, you're a big man. Wow, thank you. Bigger man. Thank you. I don't have to brag, but yeah.

Yeah, you're not bragging. But everyone has their own. Again, I don't know, I can't speak to Dave's relationship, whether, what level of commitment. And I think that's what he speaks to is he's not sure where he is. Right, exactly. Is he dating? Is he not dating? You know, she's. It's a long distance thing. She's several states away. Yeah, so. I got that. She's a six-hour drive to see her one way.

And's like okay are they dating are they not i mean this relationship are they just you know even feasible if you get time to come up and see me we'll go out kind of thing or is it are they committed i don't think he's clear on it yeah exactly um they need to really iron that out before they do anything else because again you have to realize like in your mind what you can consider the cheating where that line in the sand is and you have to be you have to know where it is you have to be comfortable where it is and understand it and be able to explain it to somebody else the problem is that hasn't been clarified for the two of them yet a little sub-topic would be And I think that's the problem that hasn't been clarified for the two of them yet.

A little subtopic would be long-distance relationships anyway. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I don't know that they were. I've never had one. No, I never have either. I can't get short-distance relationships at work. People share the same bed with me. Can't we get that? Yeah, we couldn't be any closer. I would think, personally, a long-distance relationship would be more aggravating than it is stimulating. Because you want to be with that person. If there's someone that I am enamored with, and, I mean, okay, you and I have tough work schedules now with my new job.

So we see each other very little during the week. Right. I mean, basically, you know, by the time we both come home from our respective jobs on a few nights, it's late at night. Late, yep. It's like, all right, take a shower, go to bed. Yeah, let's get there to sleep and go to bed.

Let's see you in the morning, night yep it's like all right take a shower yeah let's get their sleep and go to bed to see in the morning and then it's like okay i gotta go to work you know rinse and repeat yeah so and that's aggravating sure so you as somebody who's like and we've hours and hours away we've been together for over 20 years, and it always hasn't been that way. But now if you're trying to start a quality relationship and that person is four or five states away. What do you do, FaceTime? Skype? Yeah, I mean. It's not the same. FaceTiming is not the same.

You know, you could do a sexy FaceTime and maybe have something.

No, that's not the same face timing is not the same yeah you know you could do a sexy face time and you know no that's not the same it's not the same chat room you can get anywhere for 6.99 a minute right um but um you know how do you develop that closeness with somebody i i don't know I don't know i i really have never seen a long distance relationship work i'm sure they're out there oh i never had one i never had one i've known of other people that had them and they crashed and burned yeah i mean i i think you're more susceptible to cheating in a long distance well what was the saying uh you know absence makes the heart grow fonder for someone else because you're not there you're not there to you know bring that security and you could be missing someone be lonely right you could be horny right and all of a sudden you're out someplace someone catches your eye for a brief second it might not be someone you want to necessarily be in a relationship but it's like no i'd fuck them yeah yeah you know it's like okay oh but i'm gonna relieve some stress right right you know um and again how's my partner gonna know unless i tell them exactly you know they're some people or five states away they're not gonna like walk in on.

They don't even know where I'm at at the moment. Exactly. So, yeah. Yeah, but some people get guilty, then they, you know, spill the beans, and that really opens up another can of worms. That's really awful. They have to do what's right for them. Yeah. Not telling you what to do, but do what's right for you. Exactly. Yeah. It's a difficult thing. Mm-hmm. It is. It is. Everybody has their different definitions of what sex is. Is it definitions or what you're willing to do to get through? Because you have to ask yourself, okay, we're, in this case, four or five states away.

At what point does the relationship work? What do you have to do? One of you is basically going to sit there and go, okay, I'm going to move to your state. I'm going to throw away everything I have where I am, my friends and family and everything else, and move. Maybe a job, I don't know.

I don i don't have the answer i'm asking a question so if someone has an answer email us at info at hotwifepodcast.com yeah because if it doesn't work out yeah we need to go go back how can you go back how much time do you have to invest in this long-distance relationship to um sit there, okay, I'm willing to uproot my life and go move with this person and spend more time with them, and hopefully it will work. Even when you're close, until you live with someone, you don't know them.

And even if if you live with them it changes when you get that little piece of paper it says you're married uh yeah it does it does because all of a sudden i think once you have that the license that says you're married it's like we're legit maybe that's it i think that drops the um it's a word i want to use here for this? The conquest is over. Oh, that's true. Yes. Because when you're not married, I still think you have to play the chase game. I was just, yes. And when you're married, it's like, okay, I got them. I can gain weight. I can. Let myself go. We're married.

No, no're married you know yeah no don't do that i'm just talking in generalizations yeah yeah could have disagreement with me and that's fine we've seen we have seen that happen they seem to get married on both of them gain like 30 pounds it's like well they settle it's like okay i i have the person i'm not trying to pick up anyone else i'm not worried about them leaving me at this current moment right and they just let themselves go or relax or relax yeah it's like they're more relaxed they eat more correct some people like oh they can tell they're happy they're eating more and i'm like well i i maybe maybe not or are they depressed in eating more yeah maybe that's it i don't know i don't know yeah i don't know yeah see i think this might be wrong to think but i think even if you're in a marriage i i don't want to just relax and settle i i want to you know still keeping myself kind of sexy for a little sexy bathing suit like i did today you know oh you were supposed to be wearing that oh i would rock it oh i know you would and then you were wearing your head was hanging out yeah everybody wants to see that it's a style it's definitely a feature not a flaw but i like the t-shirt you're wearing today trophy husband he's braiding that around oh yeah i mean you don't need a t-shirt i get accused of that when i'm not wearing exactly i hear all the time it's really not easy being me it must be awful no you have no idea i don't i have no idea i hope you never have to find out you know what me too i really don't but um hey so um change subject okay we'll wrap.

Yeah, we beat this one to death, Joe. Real quick, I actually heard from our ex-number-one fan, Stephen. Oh, ex-number-one fan, yes. Stephen, he's been busy with his job, and he's been, you know, his job takes him to remote areas where there's no real cell phone connections and stuff. So, you know, he's way behind on the shows. He goes to call me again so we can catch him.

He me when I was at work and I couldn't talk so we'll see we'll lock him in at number two right now I'll lock him in at number two and we only have three fans so yeah exactly I hope he doesn't drop to number four oh that would that would be awful. That would be awful. All right, babe, want to wrap this baby up? Yeah, we'll wrap this up. Again, if you want to reach out to us, love to hear from you. Info at hotwifepodcast.com. I actually have some phone calls and stuff to make tomorrow.

We've got a bunch of medical professionals from various aspects of the sexual realm that want to come on the show and talk to us everything from uh therapies to uh male enhancements so we're it always makes us sound legitimate it's like really doctors want to be on this show yeah we're just they obviously don't listen yeah obviously so but uh so we have some shows coming up here in the future that we'll be putting up that we'll have some interesting guests. So I hope you listen in to those. Yeah, that does sound interesting. I always like them.

So without any further ado, everybody have a great night. We'll see you next time.