What aspect of being single do you miss?

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Hi, this is Donna Lynn, and welcome to my Hot Wife Podcast. Hello, everybody.

This is Donna Lynn, and welcome to my Hot my hot white podcast i'm here once again with my wonderful husband vince i'm just i'm just waiting for like i'm over here that's me i'm right here so wonderful look at me i'm sitting here in a pile of wonderful you are one big pile of wonderful one big pile of wonderful that's that's how it's best to describe me right all right that's cool that's fine yeah i'm not complaining of course once once we're out on recording it's like you son of a no just kidding i would never yeah right i wouldn't use son of a bitch i use other words yeah and you do yeah A little more colorful language.

Yeah, something like that. So let's quick, you know, because we always forget and you tell them at the end, in case people don't listen to the whole podcast, they might not hear us talk about the different avenues to follow us. Oh, okay. Let's get that out of the way, right off the bat. Okay.

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And I found a box of cards I had from a previous podcast I did that was called, they were Icebreakers. And it's by a company called Best Self. Buy them on Amazon. They're 20 bucks or whatever. And I found Icebreaker also, I mean, Best Self also had a box that just came in today, and it's called Intimacy, and they have a bunch of other types of questions that are fun. Cool. So some of these cards I actually thought would make a pretty good topic. Okay. And the one I picked out tonight is, what aspect do you miss about being single? Hmm. Go ahead. I was supposed to answer that.

Well, no, I'm waiting for the dogs to start telling me, but they're too busy licking themselves. Well, absolutely nothing. No? Nothing. Well. Do you know what I miss about being single? What's that? The age. That's a good one. That's good. That's about it. Yeah. How old I miss about being single? What's that? The age. That's a good one. That's good. That's about it. Yeah, how old I was when I was single. I mean, I got married at 30, so. Oh, I got married a little older. Well, my first marriage was 30. I'm still in therapy. Yes, I know. That I know.

Well, the nice thing about being in our relationship and in the swing lifestyle is like i feel like we have all the benefits of being single as well as being married you had the stability being married shut up good ass well i have the stability of always having a mate and having a partner who i can share things with and that stability and and i also have the benefit of like i get a freak on sometime i i'm more than able to go after that if i want we're going to talk about the freak you got coming on this weekend later oh later later okay so there was more than one but that's all right that's that's part of the freak um anyway so yeah i mean yeah i mean really being in the in the swinger lifestyle gives you the the benefits it's actually easier being a swinger than it is being single oh yeah oh because you could get different dates and the nice thing is there's no game playing nope no i mean it's basically like okay we can go out you know now again let's back up a little bit okay you're backing up i'm backing up beep Where did I go with this?

You said it was easier than being... Yeah. Okay, you're backing up. I'm backing up. Beep, beep. The, where was I going with this? You said it was easier than being single. Yeah, I'm actually amazed that dogs are sleeping and being good at the moment. So it's, you know, when you're single, you're trying to get a date and trying to achieve sex. Exactly. Okay. In a swigger lifestyle, if you have the rules like we do, where we can go out on dates already, it's kind of a no-brainer. It's kind of like, yeah, we're going to go out and, you know, if I like this guy, we're banging.

Or in my case, if I like this woman, we're banging. You know? So it's kind of the next level of dating. And the nice thing is, at the end of the night, you go, hey, wow, this is a lot of fun. We'll have to do that again sometime. Boom. Yep, that's it. Because you're not looking for a commitment. You're not looking for a soulmate. No. You know? Well, most swingers are not. But, you know. Sometimes they fall into that trap of thinking it's a dating website. It is not.

And that's kind of what makes the sw swinger difficult pairing up when it's couples yeah you know when it's like for us you know like we might go out and meet a single guy someplace single guy is only for you let's make that quite clear um but we meet in person at first and you know and i have to make sure that i like the guy and that i feel i can trust him exactly you have to meet the guy find him remotely attractive and attractive not just visually but as a person exactly and then determine whether it's something you want to proceed with yeah Thank you.

Attractive not just visually, but as a person. Exactly. And then determine whether it's something you want to proceed with. Yeah. It's pretty easy. Well, don't talk my ear off there. Yeah, it's actually pretty easy because that's a criteria. And if I go on a hot date with somebody, he's going to get sex. That's the whole idea of going on a hot date. But generally, by the time you actually go on a date without me being there, you've already played with him once or twice or whenever. Exactly. So it's like a no-brainer. We've taken all the bullshit out of dating.

You want to go out, have a good time, and you're going to get laid. It's a no-brainer.

So I got to take you a date yeah oh that's how it works god damn it see you're missing the whole thing but i just it's so much easier and in fact that we're on a website to network there a couple websites actually yeah a couple of them but i mean it does take not all the bullshit out but it takes a lot of bullshit out and you're pretty good at sifting out the bullshit you're a pretty good gatekeeper you're pretty good at vetting well yeah i mean do you want it swinging the swinger websites are kind of like amazon you know you go in there and say oh i want this right and you can kind of now it doesn't have filters you could sit there and go okay well i want them to be six foot i want them to be 190 pounds right right you could sit there go okay i want it in an age group of this right you know and i want them to be within this distance from my home and then it narrows it down then you have to look at thumbnails and and determine and then And when we do stuff like that, then we tend to try to make some kind of contact with him through a chat or email.

Yeah, exactly. And at that, we try to establish whether he's decent. Right. And then if that seems to go well, we tend to say, well, hey, we should meet. Yeah. And then the rest goes from there. there yeah it is kind of like shopping on amazon in a way yeah you know you sit there like you know like we were looking for covers for our futon yeah exactly okay well type in you know futon covers and you go on amazon you can see there's you know 75 different fucking futon covers and you see when well that one looks nice and you click it.

And then all of a sudden you see, wow, it comes in 12 different colors. Okay, well, which color do you want? And I think this one will fit because of the size. And you can narrow it down. You're making it sexual now. It is. It's very sexual because of the size. Does he shave his cover? Is it a black cover? White cover. A brown cover. Is he going a smack my ass cover? So many things. I don't know where you're going with that. You're just a pervert. I know, I am. It's just the way I roll. I'm over here trying to reload your show. It's not working, babe. It's not working.

It's the same kind of thing.

We've taken a lot of the guesswork out of it all the the game playing all the bullshit right out right at the top of the bat you know right right at the top so it's it does make it a lot easier so i miss nothing from single life and we're seeing more single guys in they've always been there oh they've always been there but you see more single guys that are in the lifestyle now and you know they don't have girlfriends to our knowledge right or a wife to our knowledge and um but you know again then they i mean yes they're getting what they ultimately want you know to get laid but are they missing out on eventually having a lasting relationship i mean it's great to get your freak on um there was one guy who says like that we we're played with and he his thing is he goes if i get a girlfriend she's got to be in the lifestyle and i want her to be a little bit freaky.

So he has a question that he asked all of his potential mates. If I bring all my friends over, will you fuck them? Well, that's a second question. The first one he always brings up is like, so what do you think of Fifty Shades of Grey? Would you do something like that? Is that something you want to do? So the improper answer was, well, I thought the acting was poor. The direction could have used some work. The sets weren't that great. So what are you looking for? Well, I did watch a little bit. It actually came on the television. I watched a couple minutes of it. And I don't know.

And I read a couple paragraphs of it. It kind of didn't take me there. It didn't take me where I wanted to go. Well, let's get back to our topic. We'll do a critique later another day. We'll have to watch it actually do a critique. That's something we could do is a critique on shows. Like there's that one bound? No, it bonded. Bonded. Bonding. Whatever. We'll have to do a segment in some of these shows coming up where we talk about these different shows people should check out. Yeah, definitely. That was kind of fun. That was a fun one.

But yeah, as far as missing something from my single life, nothing. Not a thing. I am more than satisfied and happy and I'm never going to be disappointed. I won't say never. Rarely am I disappointed in going on a date and the guy can't get me off, he doesn't do this, he's that. The majority of your single life ended really like once in high school, right? That's when you started dating John. No, I was college. College? Was that college? Mm-hmm. Okay. You had a lot of experiences up to that point. yeah because I uh when even when I was... College? Was that college? Mm-hmm. Okay.

And you had a lot of experiences up to that point. Yeah, because even when I was in my 15, 16, I had a boyfriend who was 21. So he was a lot older than I was. But then once you got done with John, you were single for... A few months. Yeah. And then you wound up with that guy for 10 years. 10 years. So yeah, I've been in a long-term relationship. And then you left him and came right to me. Yeah, I had a little time to, you know, shop around a little bit. But every time I... And you wound up with me. I know, I know.

But the thing is, it's like, maybe because I'm fickle, maybe because I'm just slutty or whatever, those long-term relationships, I get antsy and I want something else. Not that I don't love these people, I just want something else. And that's where our relationship is perfect because we could be together for whatever and I'm happy. Then I just want that little spice, that little spice. And I know you feel the same way. It's like, yeah, I just want to, you know, not that you don't love me. I get that. And he's shaking his head. Oh, that doesn't translate to all the other. No, it doesn't.

But it's like you have fun with other women, and I get it. I get it. It's just that little space, and I can come back to you, and I'm like, ah, I just got that out of my system, and now we're good. But, again, there's that high-pitched thing that comes out. The other cool thing is. Are you grabbing your nuts or something? No, I'm actually just having my hand tucked under between my knee and my calf. He's grabbing his nuts. If my nuts are down there, I'm really old.

But, yeah, I mean, the cool part is the aspect, again, being a voyeur, seeing you have getting your freak on is arousing to me so that adds to our relationship as we've talked about oh yeah you know which is a you know it only helps you know even when you haven't played in a little bit you know the past experiences come to light where you and i will reminisce about them while we're messing around. Exactly. And it heightens our experience. Yeah, no, I could see, I mean, but, yeah, again, it's not for everyone, obviously, swinging.

But, you know, there's, I mean, hey, I like like filet mignon but if you eat it every night exactly it gets and it gets old and i wonder if sometimes that is not one why people cheat two why relationships go stagnant you know like as an example we've seen countless people in a restaurant like when you and i i mean you and i are best friends before we're anything right that's true right and we always have something to talk about i try to make the topic me all the time but oh yeah you keep trying to change so much to talk about i am so fucking interesting i almost can't stand myself interesting man in the world that i know of yeah um but anyway i'm so full of shit um yes you are um but you know we go out to a restaurant or something we'll see couples anywhere from their 40s to the 70s 80s they sit there and they don't talk yeah there's nothing they'll sit there read the papers like for breakfast for breakfast which is what we mostly go out for they sit there and they don't talk.

They'll sit there and read the papers, like for breakfast, which is what we mostly go out for. They sit there and they're each reading a paper or something and they're not even talking to each other. We always have something to talk about. Yeah, there's always something. Yeah, again, usually me. But yeah, usually, you know, you've got to stop doing this. You should start doing it. Um, I don't do that. It's not really talking as much harping and, um, see, you're catching on. Uh, but you know, the, the cool thing is with being in the lifestyle, again, this is, it works for us. Yeah.

I can't say it say it works for everybody okay but you know one of the aspects is that it adds that spark it gives us something to talk about oh i want another thing to talk about we don't talk yeah we don't talk about that solely right you know um like when these gentlemen and and I correspond with them after, not as much as you do, but, you know, and when they, because I know they tell you how much they appreciate you and compliment you, and they tell me, man, you're a lucky guy and all that stuff, it makes me feel good.

mm-hmm you know i mean i feel like i'm lucky i mean i get to do i mean whatever i want basically yeah as many times as you want yeah that's that's it's like it's like an open door of it all i have to do is be honest and safe that's it and i can you know don't don't think that i would just do this every day and shirk my responsibilities and take off a work i i still want to be sure you know responsible but if i want to play like on the weekends or whatever and say hey i have so and so coming over and what do you think you'll be like that's up to you that's that's your standard answer that's up to you yeah i mean as long as we don't have something else important point exactly you know um you know again and then we get to videotape it or whatever yeah exactly it adds to it all yeah so so it always makes it um more interesting and fun and again it keeps a little spark going with us yeah i has a little spice to our relationship that i i think is is necessary and you always said a long time ago that you didn't think humans were meant to be monogamous sexually monogamous oh sexually monogamous okay yeah i think you know the situation like we're in i honestly think that if you could find a soulmate to live with and coexist with, that's great.

I think you need that. Yeah, I think so too. And again, I think the aspect that people tend to miss is that we were fortunate enough before we had any kind of romantic sexual you and i were best friends exactly and and to that that still lasts you and i are best friends before we're anything i agree i mean there's no one i tell everybody this um that listens um no one listens to me you're my best friend there's no one i'd rather hang out with than you you know the fact you got a great body makes it even easier but um Mm-hmm. But I tell you, you're my best friend.

There's no one I'd rather hang out with than you. You know, the fact you've got a great body makes it even easier. But just like me. Oh, yeah, you're stunning. Adonis, Adonis, I am. I know. People look at us and they're like, why is he with her? He could do so much better. Well, I don't really say that.

But anyway, he could pay for so much better but um yeah it and i think that's an important part you know i had this discussion with a friend of ours who's going through the beginnings of a divorce and i told him you know he keeps talking to me i was actually talking to him earlier and he was talking about oh the next, I want her to make sure she looks good in a tight little dress. I said, dude, it's your second marriage failing on you now. I said, stop worrying about the little dress and how good she's going to look in it. Because you know what? That's not every day.

You've got to go to bed at night with her. You've got to sit across from a dinner table with her. You've got to go do yard with her you got you know it's gotta be someone you can live with yeah and if you find your best friend soulmate or whatever you're gonna find her sexy as hell no matter what exactly i don't care if she's 250 pounds if she's a phenomenal woman you're gonna find her sexy i agree but. But stop looking at the physical. The physical is secondary, third, whatever you want to put it. But when it's all said and done, you get older, your body isn't exactly the same.

We even all change who we are a little bit. I mean, I keep getting better, but that's a different story. I'll be selling a book with my secrets in it later. It's a one-page book. It's just basically a big question mark. But, yeah, I mean, you know, again, if you can, if that one person does fulfill everything you want sexually, that's great.

I am, you know, we're not saying that you shouldn't have that exactly you know but it's i i think he's looking for one aspect which is so one-dimensional that he puts that in front of that i have to be able to live with this person and that's like the second wife and she i remember we go there it's just the four of us and she come down and then like like she's going out on the town this tight little leather skirt it's like where the fuck are we going we're not going anywhere we're sitting here at the kitchen table well how are you dressed like that i mean the stiletto heels and this tight top and tits hanging out it's like okay are we going do we go into a club and i miss the memo yeah did i miss something that's how we're sitting in your kitchen.

Yeah, we're sitting in your kitchen. We might sit outside later on, but she's literally dressed up like she's going out. Yeah. And it's like, why? The sad part is, he admitted to me the other day, don't tell anybody, okay? I'm going to tell you this. Okay, don't tell anybody. Okay, just between you and I. Just between us. He's like, yeah, she might look good and everything else.

He goes, but she's lousy in bed he goes oh my god she's so loose i can't get traction i can go forever because i can't get any traction he says i have to kind of finish it myself and i'm like but she looks good in a dress it's like i didn't say that i wanted to it's like well ain't helping you, huh? And apparently living with her ain't helping you. No, no. But, you know, you need to get, you know, there's a lot more to what it is you want. Exactly. And just... I always wanted, I always found Mediterranean women gorgeous. Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And they love me, too. It's obvious.

It's obvious. What are you laughing at? Nothing, dear. I mean, look at you, you're stunning. I don't know. I don mirror here i would look at me but i don't have a mirror here oh so anyway yeah let's get off on that topic shall we can you get off on that topic oh yeah baby anyway yeah i'm stoned up with people um if i had bolts out the side of my neck, I'd be Frankenstein's twin. Anyway, so where are we going with this? Hold on. I have to drink more bourbon. Hold on. A little more wardrobe. Tonight's show being brought to you by Woodford Reserve Double Oak. No, it's not.

So I'm drinking, but that would bring water that be nice but um yeah you just got done she was saying she was lousy yeah that's what he tells me i don't know but uh you got to find someone that you're compatible with and you know and you can't put all sorts of pretenses like oh well she's got to be into swinging oh she's got to be have a phenomenal body and oh we were talking i said about mediterranean yeah um yeah you can have your ideal what you think's your ideal right person but you know i my first marriage was a heavyset polish blonde and then i married a little Irish redhead.

Not Mediterranean. No, no. Both of you are fair-skinned and everything else. Oh, yeah, you're so dark, almost African, aren't you? I tan. I don't burn. I tan pretty good. You're not tan right now. No, I do tan. Are you going to do tan lines for me this year? Or are you just going to go no tan lines? I don't know. What do you think? Do you like tan lines? Sometimes tan lines are sexy. I think so, too. But you guys spend a lot of time to get them. Thank you. Do you want to do tan lines for me this year? Or are you just going to go no tan lines? I don't know. What do you think?

Do you like tan lines? Sometimes tan lines are sexy. I think so, too. But you guys spend a lot of time to get them. I know. That's the problem. I don't have time to lounge in the sun. Get tan, no tan lines. Get tan, no tan lines? Yeah. How am I going to do that? I could just lay by the pool naked. Well, you could lay up one of our many decks naked. But swimming's so much fun naked.

don't give a shit our neighbor's gonna fall off his fucking deck i know that's a problem fall off his deck and break his dick they took out that tree right the hole you see a hole in their pool i wonder how much that was like not on purpose yeah i'm serious we just noticed that he tells his wife you know we don't really take that tree down why the tree's fine we gotta take that tree down it's blocking the view into their pool it's dropping leaves on my car you park over there but those leaves they fly over and land on my fucking car yeah yeah he took down this big tree and it's it used to block our pool pretty that one corner of the pool now it's wide open it's like motherfucker and And I think they both work from home for the most part.

Yeah, and since their deck is up high, they can look into our pool area because our pool area is actually a little lower than theirs. So it's like, motherfucker. But anyway, back to the topic. How can I have fun by our pool? So, getting back to the topic of getting to do what you want, So, this weekend, you get to have a little fun with a few different people, a few different men, with a different spectrum. Do you want to talk about it? Okay. Okay. Yeah, there's, are we, are all three coming over this? Not at the same time. Well, not at the same time. One Saturday night. One Saturday night.

One Sunday afternoon. And one Sunday night. Sunday night. Okay, Sunday evening. He did a lot of this planning. Unbeknownst to me, I came down, he's like, hey, I have some playmates lined up.

This is so-mates lined up this is so and this is what they look like and this one's going to be on this date and this time and this time i'm like oh okay it's like oh they look really cute um well now there are things we had talked about prior so not not making it sound like i'm pimping you out no no no for shooting videos and stuff like that so we talked about a lot of your fans want to see you do the step mom type thing so so you're 61 do you have to remind me but yes so theoretically if it was a stepson right they would be potentially in their 40s but that's not what people want to see that's not what people want to see they want to see the they want to see you with someone in their 20s so saturday night we have a gentleman coming by, who is 22.

22. Okay, I wasn't sure what night who was coming by. He is 22. Yes, that gentleman by who is 22 22 okay i wasn't sure what night who is 22 yes that gentleman's coming to yeah he's coming by he's 22 so that will be as an adult the youngest gentleman you've played with yes absolutely i think before him there was one that was 27 which is still pretty pretty young. Yeah. You know, especially since I'm 61. It's like, oh, my goodness. And then... I don't feel that old, though. The older of the three is coming by noon on Saturday. He's 41. Right. And then Saturday evening, Sunday evening, sorry.

Right. You have a 25-year-old gentleman. Right. And we don't know. Monday you might have your one regular that hasn't been here in a while because he usually comes on Mondays. Mondays, you'll have to reach out to him. See if he wants to, because he was sick before. Somehow Mondays always work out for him. Yeah, Mondays do. Which would also cancel the other guy he's going to want to stop by on monday so we'll find out so we can cancel him all together okay oops yeah but anyway yeah so you you know what are your thoughts on getting to play with someone who is close to a third of your age?

I guess it'd be a little weird, but I mean, I don't feel, I don't feel 61. You don't look 61. Parts of me do. Parts of me do. But in general, I don't feel 61. So I look at my, I'm still thinking I'm 35. You know, I'm still in my mind, I'm still thinking I'm 35. Mentally, yeah, mentally.

So it doesn't't it's not that big a deal it's like oh that's fun but you know sometimes mentally i still feel like i'm in my 20s but most of the time i feel like i'm mid 30s yeah mentally mentally physically i feel like i'm in my mid 130s sometimes yeah so sometimes yeah they don't match up so what what do you think is going to be arousing for you with let's pick on this 22 year old he's into some kinky stuff so is he so that you've been conversing with him yeah a little bit i made the original contact and you're yeah making the yeah he um i don't have my right over the top of my head because i was kind of busy today doing other things but he's he's got a little bit of a kinky side i'm like well i want to explore some fetishes and the stepmom stepson aspects and and he would actually be more of a step grandson step grandson sure yeah absolutely which reminded me because i'm technically a gilf not a milf but whatever you know i don't know it is what it is but yeah i think it'll be fun and he's definitely um he says he's really starting to get into the whole hot wife thing so okay we'll see so yeah i think it'll be fun.

And he's definitely, um, he says he's really starting to get into the whole hot wife thing. So. Okay. We'll see. So yeah, I think it'd be fun. The whole thing will be fun. I mean, the first times are always a little bit awkward at first, but it's usually the second and third time. I already get your dick up. Yeah. Sometimes it is like that a little bit, a little bit, you know, we chat and figure out what, you know, I've been corresponding with them. So you get a feel of, what they're into, what they like, what they don't like, what their turn-ons are. And the dick pics they send you.

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Not necessary, but, you know, nice to know what you're getting into sometimes. Oh, here's a great question. Uh-oh, oh, no. So, yeah, and then, and they're all good-looking guys. Yes, they're all, but they all look different. Yes. All totally different, which is kind of nice. Yep. So I just dove into the other box, the icebreaker box, like I told you, made by Best Self. This is the blue one, and it's called The Ice Breakers. So here's a question for you if you could write a book what would it be about?

you know when I was dancing people kept telling me you gotta write a book you should write a book on your exploits as being a dancer and you know what there's so many experiences I've probably forgotten about I've yeah, I've reminded you of some. Yeah, it was like... Like the bachelor parties and stuff. Yeah, I'm like, what bachelor party was that? Yeah, I remember almost every one of them. Wow, you could write a book then. I remember I stood there for over an hour putting up with these assholes and dealing with the drunk ones that would come over and like, yo, we could overpower you.

Oh yeah, that was it. You might be physically, but the 13 rounds of my gun are going to be a great equalizer oh yeah i don't need that crap yeah well i didn't everything went well you know i mean they see it at work when i have to deal with difficult customers at work that uh that i did you know i'm not him obviously i want to be him but like patrick swase in that, you know, in that roadhouse. You know, there's times you need to mix it up, but there's times you need to be nice. But they also had in that one, there was their, the mantra was there, be nice. Yep.

You can kick them out of the bar, but be nice. That was it. When it's time not to be nice, be mean. But anyway, yeah, no, actually, that would be a great story, a great book about the life of, well, the life of a stripper, and then we'll call you, for lack of a better term, a porn star, amateur porn star. I am very amateur.

Of course, what we shoot with lighting and everything else, by a lot of definitions, takes away the amateur part amateur part well you want people to be able to see yeah well we're doing more than a one camera shoot we're doing you know so you know i i'm doing the work technically of five six people yeah just because you don't have to have four cameramen you don't have to have someone adjust your lighting and sound quality and editing and stuff like that. It's all me. Right. But, yeah. So, but, so the, yeah. And if you would write a book, what would you write a book about?

Well, as you know, I've had my brother and my best friend and one other person, I don't remember who, but I remember somebody else, that knows me and has said I should write a book about my life and my experiences because I've kind of done a lot of things. Oh, that's true. Yeah, I do remember your brother saying that. You know, between people I've met, between things I've accomplished.

Right, know you know being you know the various brushes with death I've had that's true you know I still think that the funniest one is when you met Ron Jeremy you gave him a copy had him a sign a copy of Boondock Saints. Yeah. One. Yep. You know, and he's like, this movie, nobody's, you're the only person that's even had me sign this. It's like, are you kidding me? You're awesome in it. Yeah. You dirty little girl. Yeah. One of the few movies he didn't show his dick in. Yep. Yep. But, yeah, I mean, you know, I've had a lot of experience with adult industry.

You know, I used to run that adult podcast network with a lot of major stars in it. I shot some major stars in videos. Had some very unusual experiences on air. Yeah, yeah. I had one of the big porn stars back in the 70s. Actually, I was co-hosting his show, and he died on air with me. Yeah, that was the most bizarre, horrible thing ever. Yeah, I mean, literally, he's talking, and all of a sudden he stopped talking, and it was like, hey, Bill.

Bill Markle was a gentleman um in the 70s he uh he was very he actually discovered um john holmes and various other people yeah he always like um they always referred to him as like as a teddy bear he was like yeah he was a big into teddy bears and he was referred to as a he's a big loving guy right um and uh He was almost like the godfather of porn. Well, he got into porn when it was still considered illegal. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, he actually used to be a newspaper reporter. He decided he was going to go undercover and expose the porn industry.

And he got into it, and he was getting paid to do it making more money than he was as a reporter and having fun getting laid oh it's horrible so yeah so that so that didn't work out for him so well it worked out better than being a reporter his article never got written but that's what i was meaning um but yeah, no, Bill was in poor health. He was a great guy, and we were doing a show. He was out in California, and I hosted the show here in Pennsylvania. And he was on air, we're talking, and all of a sudden he went silent. And Bill didn't go silent.

No, man, he couldn't get a word in edgewise with him. But we got some help out to his apartment, and they found him dead in front of his computer. He had had a massive heart attack while he was on air. Wow. And had passed, so it was kind of freaky. There's a lot more to it. But, yeah, I mean, that and, you know, various things I experienced as a fireman, various things, bachelor party stuff. Right. I've been in a bunch of major car accidents that were never my fault. And so I've ridden in ambulances and have a lot of injuries from that. Yay. You know, I've been shot at a few times.

So, yeah, I got lot of experiences you know when i was doing the podcast back in the early days of podcasting about cigars i was the number one podcast for three years about cigars became big in the cigar industry people knew me oh yeah i remember meeting all the uh the big wigs in the cigar i did you know, I had a big following of my fine artwork. I had six one-man gallery shows, set records in a couple of the galleries, and big names in the photography industry reached out to me. One of them was my hero who I look up to in photography. He actually called me and told me he admired my work.

And so, yeah, there's a lot of things. That would be, I mean, I look back at my life and feel accomplished. I don't have any financial gain from it. No, but it certainly is interesting. But I feel like it's been an interesting life. I don't know if others would really find it that interesting. Yeah, maybe not. Apparently they do. Like I said, my brother and my best friend and one other gentleman were like, you should write a book. And, you know, but I don't know. So I won't do it. But anyway, so yeah, that'd be interesting. I mean, that's a question for everybody.

If you could write a book about something, what would it be? There's no wrong answer. No, no. You like to do poetry? Do poetry. You like to... You want to write about your life? You want to write about someone you love? Thank you very much.

something what would it be there's no wrong answer no yeah you like to do poetry do poetry you like to want to write about your life you want to write about someone you love you want to you know yeah there's definitely no wrong answer there but i mean if i was actually going to write a book about my life it'd be more because my daughters did not and still don't know a lot about my life you know because my ex-wife kept them from me as long as she could. Right. I remember that. Especially my youngest one has no real idea of who I am. No, not as much. Not as much as the older one.

But anyway, on a better note. So let me pick one more card here just for shits and giggles. Oh, shits and giggles. Here we go. I have no idea what it's going to say. Uh-oh, this is going to be dangerous. I can really fuck it up if I don't want my glasses on. Let's see. Do you ever feel jealous if you see me talking to another attractive person? Absolutely not. I'm just like what the card said.

Maybe back in like the earlier days when our relationship was still new and you had some insecurities back then sure back then but they're gone I start to get a little jealous when I see you sucking another guy's dick and I'm like do you think she likes him do you think there might be something going on there I'll pay attention while they fuck and I'll see Thank you.

like do you think she likes it do you think do you think there might be something going on there i'll pay attention while they fuck and i'll see there might be more there than fucking there might be more there than fucking okay so yeah no but um yeah so yeah this weekend you're gonna have a lot of fun. Yeah, I better take my vitamins, huh? These are youngsters. Well, I have a funny feeling that they could finish quickly. I don't know. I don't know. Well, the excitement. Yeah, one of the things with single men in the lifestyle who are on these websites, there are so many single guys. Oh, yeah.

And they get lost, you know, they get lost. It's like, you know, finding the perfect shell on the beach. It's not going to happen, you know. I kind of, I always feel bad for single guys in swing lifestyle because they get, because there's so many of them and they get tossed aside. I mean, a lot of couples just like block no single guys, no single guys. And it's kind of unfair. How many couples do you see posting no single guys, we're just looking to meet another woman that wants to join us in a female, female, male.

It's like, well, that's like everybody's fantasy it is well and the thing is it's like finding a single female on a swing website we call them unicorns because they're called unicorns because they don't exist term we coined yeah they we've only met one one no well that we i would be called unicorn we've met other single women like there was that one woman who was 300 pounds okay okay there's two but i mean they're like the two two yeah but in general they're unicorns they don't exist i mean they seriously don't exist and we've even had like these quote beautiful single women reach out to us and we find out it's a fake account and that's what it is it's a fake account yeah there's a whole thing on these swinger sites that Thank you.

beautiful single women reach out to us and we find out it's a it's a fake account and that's what it is it's a fake account yeah there's a whole thing on these swinger sites that it might be on dating sites i don't know but these people who pose as someone else generally a man posing as a woman i guess they're gay or something and again i'm not bashing gay people i'm just making a general statement okay these are me i retract that statement i'm sorry if i offended someone these are people that have an issue that they want to identify as something they're not and they get off on that talking to somebody in a way that they don't have enough guts to do it face to face does that sound better sort of we've even found that out with um maybe we were conversing with with a well i thought we were conversing with a with a man but maybe i have no idea what we were conversing with but they they talk all good and you know all you know they're all ready to go and then when we make it up you know make a date you know for them to meet boom they're gone oh there was that one gentleman we were supposed to meet up the road here at that one bar oh yeah yeah he was all hot and bothered oh yeah local guy he never showed up he never and his account was gone when once we got home i went to reach out to him like dude we're supposed to meet there and his account was gone his account was gone it was i i don't know what he thought he was going to get out of it i mean we just for us he could have been someone who's married in all honesty and his wife found out and he quick ripped the account i don't know yeah maybe i i don't.

What do you get out of that? What do you get out of that? We don't care. We went there. We had a drink, sat down. We had fun anyway. And then we left. It was like, okay, he's not going to show up. So what? What do we care? We're going to go home and have fun. What's he going to do? Sit home and jerk off? Okay, have fun with that. You know, so. Maybe it is fun to him. I'm not joking. I don't know.

it no skin off of our backs you know it doesn't matter to me it wasn't like we went out of our way it's wrapped the street so it's not a not a big deal yeah it wasn't like we went to another state or something or it was like three miles from here yeah exactly so you know so for us it's like oh had a little night out so what what? Whoop-dee-doo. Oh, no, we're drinking alcohol. Oh, no. Oh, horrible. Oh, we didn't meet this guy. Whoop-dee-doo. Yeah, just. You were still getting laid, didn't you? Yeah, oh, exactly. So I just don't. Hold on, you're. Bending a card. You're bending a card here.

All right, finish your topic. I just don't understand. What's their goal? It's like, hey, I just want to see if you would go out there. Is that it? Okay, here's one for you. Okay, another one? Oh, boy, okay. Yeah, this is actually a very interesting one. I was trying to close these cards up, and this actually kind of fits the topic we're on. Oh, boy, okay. What's the best date you've ever been on? Best date? Ah, best date. And that can be anything.

I mean, it could be inside the lifestyle it could have been when you're younger it could be whatever when i was 30 i went out with a guy who was much younger than me and oh much younger uh he was he was in his early 20s and i was okay so he drank okay yeah yeah but we didn't we went to dorney park on my birthday okay and we had a really good time it was an amusement park and um there was one ride that is it was a ride that i was too short to go on and i was so mad mad. Oh, that's where the story comes from. Yeah. Okay. It was actually, we really had a good time.

And the park was like, it was overcast. We kept thinking, oh, should we go? Should we not go? It's going to rain. It's going to suck. And I'm like, okay, we're going to go anyway. And it was overcast, and nobody was in the park. An amusement park. An amusement park. Yeah, it's like a great adventure or something. Yeah, yeah.

Back then, it was a small one yeah it was a very small park where today it's as big as a great adventure or something yeah it's huge now but it was awesome because we got to ride all the roller coasters and all this crazy nutty stuff and not wait in lines because nobody was there we're the only ones it was awesome except for that one ride that i wasn't allowed on because then i wasn't as tall as woody woodpecker or whatever character they had there and it pissed me off i was like you know how old i am i'm 30 years old doesn't matter you're you're under you're short it's a safety thing yeah but yeah for me that probably was a really good date that was fun fun.

Yeah, for me, it was probably with that one woman I worked with that I dated for a while. You dated so many. Not the one that looked like Christy Alley? Yeah. Yeah, he dated one that looked like Christy Alley. It was a long weekend. Yeah. But it wasn't long. It was a last-minute weekend thing. We drove to the shore, like a spur- the moment. And as we're driving, she used to be very orgasmic. I could touch her on top of her pants. I could just play with her nipples over her shirt. And she would come. And she would have orgasms.

I had her, like, between here and Cape May, New Jersey, she had, like, three or four orgasms. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, she made me stop someplace so she could go into the bathroom because, like, her pussy was, like, sloppy wet. Oh, my goodness. But anyway, so we got down there, and we were drinking it and bar hopping. And, you know, it was kind of romantic. And, like, that night we went to a bar down there that had this Caribbean jazz band. I mean, her and I used to go to a lot of jazz concerts and stuff together.

And we went to this bar and they had this little jazz band that had, like, the kettle drums and chuteos. It was really cool. And we tied one on there. I mean, we just continued to tie one on. It was an all-day thing. And went down to the beach. We fucked on the oh my goodness sand isn't great no it's terrible and we went back to our hotel room showered fuck some more you know got up in the morning went and had a nice breakfast and went back to the room and fucked and checked out yeah that was probably that that's hot that's pretty hot yeah i mean it was nice.

You know, holding hands is very romantic. Very, you know, she was not a big public display type person. Right. And it was rainy, too. Right. So, and like I told you the other day, you and I had a conversation about going to the shore and it's rainy. I said, I just walk in the fucking rain. Walk in the rain, yeah. And so it was kind of cool, you know. Because nobody's out. We're walking in the rain. There's people. They must be having umbrellas if they were there. And, you know, we'd just pull into a little alley and just kiss. Right. And there was a time actually with her, too.

We were down in Center City, Philly. Oh. And we went down there. We were bar hopping down there. See a theme? Oh, yeah. There's alcohol involved. Yeah. Always alcohol involved.

And we went to there we were bar hopping down there see a theme and yeah there's alcohol yeah always alcohol and we went to uh and i honestly he's not an alcoholic yeah i aspire though but yeah we went just one irish pub down there on south street and had a great time and almost got killed there not there but leaving i was like we were messing around like playing around yeah right and i went i started to run ahead of her oh and as i did it was an exit for a parking garage that came out and i didn't know and this car came out and basically i had to jump up and rolled across the hood or i would have been pegged underneath of it oh my god you idiot yeah but uh so then after that we went into the parking garage and we fucked that's an unusual place and that's one place you did not yeah i forgot about it to now yeah oh my god i know you talked about doing it in the canoe it was a it was a canoe right yeah i did it in a canoe with my ex-wife yeah gotta bounce now we went into the shallow part right so there was like rocks was like, rocks.

It was underneath the bridge. Right. And we were underneath the cars going over our heads. Oh, that's interesting. And it had rocks that kind of steady you. Yeah, that's not so bad. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, there we go. Look at you being all doing it in public stuff. Yeah, back in the day.

Back when you were agile things change how things change yeah the sad part is i'm in better shape now than i was then yeah shape like weight wise and stuff yeah that's true i mean i don't know why women found me the women i've been with why they found me attractive i've yet to know i don't know why women found me... The women I've been with, why they found me attractive, I've yet to know. I don't know why you find me attractive. There's alcohol involved. Am I not drinking alcohol right now? I don't know what you're drinking. Yeah, just a little bit of rum and coke. A little bit.

I just think it's because I give great personality. Oh, excellent personality. Excellent. That's interesting. I notice every time you talk to me, keep your eyes closed.

i do i do close my eyes now thanks yeah so you had some pretty interesting sexual experiences i'm trying to think of like if there's any other ones i had that weren't kind of you know a little more out there as far as dates go i don't know it was all blur come on it was like the 70s come on 80s it's a it's a blur it's a one big blur i think we talked about it here maybe we didn't i don't know what's like the one day that when i was a roommate with that guy um which i had i had that apartment down the road here okay and my roommate was engaged.

So on the weekends he went to his fiancee's apartment. Right. So I had the apartment to myself. Now this was a second and third floor of a row home for those purposes. And so generally I had the weekends to myself, but this weekend, for whatever reason, he was there. Oh boy. So you know the story yeah i do but go ahead yeah the uh my now ex-wife i was i had broken up with her right she still wanted sex she came by I don't know maybe it was like she working she had to work so she came by because she was working at the hospital. So I would say her shift started at 3.

So she probably came by at noon. And we went into my room and we banged. She left, and I showered. And then there was this married woman who I had messed around with that she called and came by right about four. Right.

And she came in and my roommate was somebody i worked with and he knew i was banging her but you know he's just like just pretending to be you know because i told him i said this is you know she's coming over he's like i'm just gonna stay in my room be quiet it's like do what you want man i don't care so she came over we went we banged oh my goodness and then she left and then the woman who also I worked with who I was dating where I just told him the previous story about going to K-May she came by yeah yeah back in the early days of Kirstie Alley not not Kirstie Alley today um came by around eight o'clock at night and And we banged.

There's a theme here, I'm thinking. I'm feeling a theme. And then the next day, my roommate's like, how does an ugly fuck like you, first of all, get some pretty women, let alone three different women in one day and they came to you I wonder if you had the tongue skills that you have now yeah I think you developed it more but I'm sure they were still oh I fine tuned it but it was it was still there that was one of the things that they all loved oh good there I thought so yeah I wasn't sure but the years are perfecting buting. Yes. Well, practice does make perfect, as they say. Yeah.

And that married woman in the middle there, she was the first woman I ever had anal sex with. Wow. Let me rephrase that. The first woman I ever gave anal sex to. Did she peg you? no pegging. What's going on there? Nope. I'm going to rephrase that pretty quickly. Yeah, I'm just going to give you any opportunity. You're pretty quick. Wow, so she fucked the shit out of your ass. Well, I thought you liked it, huh? That's all that matters. But you won't let me do it. Well, you know. Nope. I must have had a bad experience with that. But anyway. Oh, my know. Nope.

I must have had a bad experience of that. But anyway. Oh my goodness, that's funny. Yeah. But yeah, those were... Those were the days. Yeah, it's all I got is memories now. Yeah, when you said after that, you said your dick was so raw. Oh my God. My balls hurt. My dick felt like I had road rash.

My balls hurt because they were drained oh yeah i do remember when i was um i was like yeah i was 16 ish and the boyfriend ahead of time was 21 ish i remember we'd have weekends together and it was like we fucked so much that we used to get a there's a there was a no-tell motel and we used to go go there like, not every weekend, but every once in a while, we'd go there, and we'd fuck all night long, the whole next day. And I remember being raw, like the next day, like I couldn't even walk hardly because you fucked so much.

Now my ex-wife, when we were just dating, there was a no-tell motel that we went to. It's not there anymore, but anyway. Yeah, neither is the one that we went to. I don't know if it's the same one or another. No, you were at the one in Montgomeryville. I was one in Lower Gwendolyn. Okay. And back then, I mean, I was 23, maybe, 24. Right.

I was able to stay hard for four or five hours and we just oh we just kept fucking and fucking yeah again had road rash i felt like on my dick like the next day my balls hurt because they were drained so much yep yep you know it seemed like fun at the time and afterwards you're like oh my god why did i do that but fucking ice. Fond memories. Yeah, yeah. I'd be happy to fuck for an hour now. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. I remember putting like, I won't call it desitim, but it was something like that because it was so raw. I had to put something on.

I might yeah because i for like that yeah something like that i had to put on polysporin or something man it was so so raw i couldn't determine what hurt more the the road rash on my dick or how my ball my balls felt like someone kicked them yeah oh yeah they were drained of like every last ounce i mean literally my last you know shot was like that was the air nothing left confetti must have come out or something dust yeah there's nothing left but at that point i was like oh it's like okay like if i would have been able to keep my erection, the pain would have killed it. Oh, my God.

Fuck so much, it hurts. That's all we have is memories now. I'm good with that. I mean, they're good memories. Yeah, but for a woman, I mean, okay, like this weekend, and on Sunday, you're going to get to have two different guys. I've probably done that before. Yeah.

No, and again, and again you use a lube to help sometimes it depends on how riled up i am you know again you don't know these guys might just be a one-time thing or they might you know do two sessions yeah you don't know so i have to take my vitamins get my rest stretch you know it's this is like a marathon here i'm gonna be like you know you're gonna have to have you sign, get my rest, stretch. You know, this is like a marathon here. I'm going to be like, you know. I'm going to have to have you sign a medical waiver. Something like that.

It's almost like you're going to run like a, you know, a marathon. You know, you stretch your hamstrings, make sure you don't pull a muscle. Draw muscles. Draw muscles. That's true. That's true. Got to get my arms in shape here, you know, because I don't know where I'm going to be, what I'm going to be doing here, so. Yeah. It's always fun. Yeah. So, well, we've bored people for almost an hour now. Oh, gosh. So, hopefully you enjoy the show, too. We try to keep up with some different topics, something to maybe make you think about something that's going on in your life. Yeah, absolutely.

Think about the best date you've been on and think about if you could write a book about your life, what would it be about? And what is better, being single or being married? Well, most men that I talk to that are married would, most, unless they're in their lifestyle, would like to be able to take a walk on the wild side every once in a while. So I'm not saying they would want a single life.

Well, again, not to new topic but you know again the problem is how many people we met mostly men that they want to play but their wife they could no my wife can't touch oh yeah see what's good for the goose good for the gander you know got to keep it you know even steven here so you gotta and actually believe or not it just shows that you're insecure yourself for one but two now you'd be surprised how erotic it is watching your mate give and receive pleasure it is pretty erotic i have to admit that very erotic yeah another thing too that i found that once you take away the whole, what's the word I'm looking for?

The taboonness of it. Taboo or the fact. When you're a kid and your parents say you can't, you're underage, you can't drink. What do you do? You go out and drink. Yeah, you go out and drink. You know, you got to be home by 10. I'm going to break curfew. You want to come home at 1. Exactly. So you always want, as human beings, we want what we can't have. Exactly. So now you've just taken that all away.

It's like, well, you can have whatever you want to come home at one exactly you know so you always want as as human beings we want what we can't have uh-huh exactly so now you've just taken that all away it's like well you can have whatever you want it's like oh okay that's cool so yeah if you say you want to suck another dick go ahead there's not this you will not you will not oh well you tell me i will not same we've touched on it before too guys who tell their wives or girlfriends you will not have a vibrator i don't want you replacing me with that well if you think that that's going to replace you piece of plastic you've got some fucking work to do you need to sign up for vince's class on sex ed so yes seriously if you think that piece of plastic is going to replace you oh there's double a batteries are going to replace you well you've got some yes you better fucking go get a mirror and take a long fucking look seriously yeah especially if you put that much weight on on an orgasm it's like really is that is that all you are is that is that it again we always equate swinging you know you don't want to do it every day exactly we know people who want to oh yeah but it's like if you could have filet mignon or lobster or both every day it doesn't become special exactly so for us it's just weekends it's well weekends not even every weekend no not every weekend um you know like last weekend we didn't i thought we did that one guy did but the weekend before there was nobody yeah it's been kind of light lately yeah but anyway you know you don't want to you can't eat flame mignon every day exactly it loses its special but exactly if you make it something that you do occasionally and it can be very special very erotic very fun yeah it does make it special.

And it does add that little space, a little bit of spice to the relationship that makes it very exciting. Yeah, for us. I can't say that for you, but most people we know that are in the lifestyle, and it does. It enhances. And you'll find when you're around a lot of swinger couples, you will see more passion amongst them than you do in a normal couple. That's true. They're always touching and pulling at each other. Which is kind of cool. I'm always touching her. She's always smacking me. It's great. People might see. I want them knowing you're with me. Yeah, I love you too, honey.

It's all about the love. Not the red pepper, honey. Not the red pepper. So anyway, I want to thank everybody for listening. Thank you, and everyone have a great night. We'll see you next time.