Welcome Aboard: Our Journey into Swinging

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Speaker1: Welcome to the Hot Wife Podcast, where we dive into discussions about relationships, intimacy, and everything in between. Before we begin, we want to make it clear that the views expressed on this podcast are solely those of the host and guests, and should be taken as opinions, not professional or medical advice. Additionally, we remind all listeners that this podcast is intended for adults over the age of 18. Unauthorized rebroadcast of this show is strictly prohibited without the written permission of the owners of Hot Wife Podcast. Now, let's heat things up. Hello everybody this is Donna Lynn and welcome to my hot wife podcast and of course as ever I have my wonderful husband behind the scenes here. Ho frickin' ho. I like your sweatshirt. Yeah. One of our listeners and a dear friend, Wayne, got this t-shirt for me. A sweatshirt, actually. And it looks like it's kind of crocheted. It looks like it was crocheted, but knitted. Yeah. Needlepoint. Needlepoint. That's what it looks like. I'm full of holiday stand-up. I can't see the rest. Whole holiday spirit. And it's called bourbon. Amen. So he is full of holidays beer today. Wayne is the best. Yes. Well, then Mr. Smarty Pants here, and I do mean pants, got me those granny panties, those giant. Oh, Wayne did. Yeah, Wayne did. Well, you kept saying that. Well, you need to take a picture of you wearing those just for Wayne. I was just thinking the same thing. Yes, we do. I mean, they're huge. I think that's going to be tomorrow's task. We're going to have to. Before we get drunk, we have to do that. Before we get drunk. Over there? Yeah. Tomorrow we're going to do that. I think we should. You've always wanted to get me granny panties. That's the heck. That's why he bought those for you. That's exactly why. Hey, so tonight, we're recording this on Christmas Eve. We're going to post this on Christmas Day. Oh, wow. So first of all, we wish all of you a Merry Christmas, a Happy Holidays, whatever you celebrate or don't celebrate. We just wish you a happy day. Right. That's nice. And I want to thank you all for listening. And tonight's show is going to be... Weird? Not weird. We're weird, yeah. Going to be kind of a step back, but because of some instances that have happened. Good instances. Very good. We're really happy about this. So this is like an introduction. We are humbled. We are humbled, yes. Yes. Okay, so we're doing like an introduction. We are. One of the prior shows, we talked to the owners of secretswinglust.com, which is more of an international. Worldwide. International. Well, yeah, international just means. Yeah, Swinger site. So it's based out of Denmark. Mm-hmm. And they have been more than gracious to us. Yes, they have. And we are on there, and our podcast is going to be on there. And then the site that we've been on for 20-plus years. Swing Lifestyles. Dot com. Yep. They more recently have reached out to us. We have been on their SLS radio. Mm-hmm. a lot of good feedback, and they've reached out to us, and have asked us to... They gave us a free profile and a club for our podcast. Holy cow, I mean... So, and... Yeah. We're like, what? What? Yeah. Why would you do such a thing? We're just two people doing... Just... Who knows? Yeah, just talking about what we do. Yeah. That's it. And God bless all of you. I think we've gotten a bunch of... new listeners due to both, but especially SLS. Oh, you were answering like crazy amounts of messages this morning. I mean, everyone who is seeing our new profile is reaching out to us, and that's great. Ask what the podcast is, and I give it to them. If you're listening to this, you don't need to know it. You're already here. Yeah. And so we want to welcome everybody. Right off the bat let me get if you want to reach out to us ever it's info at hotwifepodcast.com. We'd love to meet all of you and talk to you and maybe even schedule a time when you can call into the podcast so we can talk about your experiences. Oh yeah I love that because it adds so much more to our conversation because that's all we're having here is a conversation. We're boring as shit. It does seem that way. So it's nice seeing and having other people's experiences and views and different outlooks and how they've navigated the swinger community and the swinger lifestyle. And everybody, there are some different aspects. And again, getting back to secretswinglust.com, if you're finding us through that website, again, info at hotwifepodcast.com, reach out to us. We'd love to hear from you. And let's see if you have questions, comments, ideas for a show topic. We'd love to hear it. But yeah, we're talking with, again, I don't want to offend anyone. There is a person that enjoys dressing differently. I'm trying not to offend anybody. What works for everyone works for everyone. That's great. It doesn't have to work for me. This individual is a cross-dresser kind of thing. It has parties. Again, I don't know the terminology that this individual uses. I don't want to offend anyone. I'm trying to. This is not our realm. I can offend people. And you do on a regular basis, especially your wife. Well, mostly you. Here we go. Thanks. I feel so special. We want to open up the podcast to everyone that is in some version of swinging lifestyle and open sexuality and, you know, whether it be polyamory or... Just an open marriage or an open relationship. BDSM. Yeah, so... Any of those fetishes, you know. Yeah, we welcome you all to the podcast. I'd love to hear from you. You can email us and we'll correspond and see what we can set up. If you want to come on the podcast or have something you want us to talk about, we'd love to do it. I'm especially interested in a lot of the different fetishes out there since we're kind of like more vanilla. Almost boring. Yeah, in the fetish world, we're pretty vanilla. I mean, I like a little bit of BDSM. I like restraints. I like flogging, but that's about my extent. I like a little chicken cordon bleu. Of course you do, dear. Well, that's good. Ham, cheese, cheese. It's a good thing. Yeah. Seriously. No, we're not even close. Not even close. But those are things I find very interesting because that's a whole other realm, you know? And that's why we're opening up the invitation because there are so many aspects of... Alternate lifestyle choices. Whatever the terminology is. Yeah, I'm not even sure. That we don't necessarily know and we don't claim to or anything. or whatever. And we would love to get other people's perspectives and share that. Because there might be people that are interested and we can't speak to it. No, there's a lot of things we just can't speak to because it's just not our cup of tea. So I can't talk about something I don't do or I'm not into. It wouldn't be right. But there's a lot of people that do have these other fetishes and have an interest. And I always find it fascinating what they find so desirable with these fetishes. So it's cool. Everybody has their own turn-ons and whatever floats their boat. So it's kind of cool. You don't have to like broccoli. But if you do, hey, we'd like to hear from you. If you don't like broccoli, hey, we'd like to hear from you. Find out why you don't like broccoli. There's no reason. There's no, you know. Just because someone might not like broccoli doesn't make it wrong. As long as everyone is. of age. Legal age, yeah. Yes. So that's our only real constraints. Yeah, that's it. So we just want to make sure that everybody's on board with it. Exactly. I mean, we want it to be a really good experience for everybody. And if somebody is being, if they're brought into that situation under false guises, then it could be very, I don't know, just not a good experience. And it can be. Well, it could be a non-consensual thing, which is something that is not proper. So with that, since it seems, and we're very appreciative and humbled, that there's a whole new wave of new listeners. And there might be people that have started listening that didn't really hear the first few episodes where we really introduced ourselves. Correct. Because that was four years ago? We're getting January 10th. We'll start our fifth year. Our fifth year. Okay. I had to keep that. The season's starting. That's just incredible. I don't know where we came up with things to talk about, but you and I talk about so many things throughout the day. And nothing means a damn thing. No, no, but we do talk a lot. Well, first thing I'm going to share is Donna and I have been married for 22 years. Wow. And yeah. I know. I'm up for parole soon. You should have been up two years ago. Donna and I, we do have a banter between the two of us. where we pick on each other. Never. Mostly her picking on me. I'm only loving and kind. I go into the corner and I cry. Of course you do. You're a sensitive man. But it's not meant, and neither of us take it offensively. No, it's not malicious in any way. This is just what we do. Yeah, it's just how we get along. We just pick on each other. He picks on me so much more than I pick on him. Oh, my God. It's true. It's so full of shit, your eyebrows. What you hear in the podcast is really us. Unfortunately, yes. It's not an act. Day in, day out. Friends we know that listen to the podcast that hang out with us, sit there and go, it's just like sitting with the two of you outside on your deck. It's the same conversation. Drinking a couple beers and smoking a couple cigars. Yeah. So just so that you know, it's not an act or it's not malicious or anything else. No. That's what he does. It's all him. I'm innocent and pure as a driven snow. You get driven, but maybe the guy's last name is Snow. Maybe. But anyway. So we have been in the lifestyle for 20 years? Actually, we were in the lifestyle before we got married. Okay, so 23 years. Yeah, I'd say like, yeah. I don't think we were married. Yeah, we were actually swinging. Just before we were married, sure. Yeah. That makes sense. Okay. My quote-unquote history background is kind of boring, so I'll go over mine first. Okay. Oh, it is. Okay, so boring. I mean, I was a photographer, and if you go to, now, on SOS, our profile, we have two profiles. The podcast profile is Hot Wife Podcast, Again, there's some pictures, not that many, but our personal podcast, our personal profile is PhotoCouple, F-O-T-O-C-P-L-E. Please visit both of them, like, befriend us, everything. I think for them to see all the pictures, they actually have to reach out to us. Yeah, they have to reach out to us. We have thousands of pictures of me, thousands, hundreds, hundreds. I took some down, but yeah. After 20 years, we have hundreds and hundreds of pictures. Send us a message and go, hey, I'm listening to you on the podcast. I'd love to see your photos. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I am a heterosexual. I am boring. When did this happen? Heterosexual? Yeah. I thought about it and I identify as heterosexual. Okay. Since you were how old? 13? 12? 11? Well, I don't think you knew about sex when you were first born. When you first discovered it. But when I became aware of it, I realized that I only have a preference for women. Those who have different preferences, that is great. Me too. That's crazy. But you also like cock. Oh, I do. I do. Well, so yours is not heterosexual. No. We both have an interest in women. Well, we're talking about me. Don't make it all about you. All of a sudden it goes to me. Don't make it all about you all of a sudden. The Hot Wife Podcast. But, you know, we'll get to you. Your segment's going to be a lot longer than mine. No, it's not. I have a very boring background, too. Okay, sure. But anyway, so Donna and I met back in the 90s. I was doing photography and trying to get an adult website started in the early days of the web. And that's kind of how we met. Manager of a strip bar. Donna was a stripper. She'll get into that. I'm sure I will. And we met, started a business doing it, and progressed from there. But other than that, some of my adventures are not as exciting as Donna's. But again, we encourage you to visit some of our four years of previous episodes. You've had some crazy ones. Come on. I've had a few. Oh, then, Donna. Yes. Gosh. I guess I've always had a kind of a sexual, I've always been a little bit. Poor. I've always been adventurous sexually. And I wear those tags proudly. I mean, ever since I was, gosh, in early, I would say high school. Legal age? Well, high school, I was 18. Okay, just saying. Ish. You know, I mean, They keep our asses out of trouble. I was a legal agent. I do remember, and I guess we were either just out of high school or just before college, I had an orgy with all my friends from high school, college. We were very influenced by Rocky Horror Picture Show, so I'm wearing a corset, and some of the guys are wearing corsets, and some weren't, but it was like a giant It's not cheating if you set the date up Yeah, exactly I knew that I've been with boyfriends I guess I love them That's air quotes in there But I always was unfaithful I always thought it was a defect in my personality And so Vince came along And he was like, well no What's wrong with you experiencing other people Love is love and sex is sex And he kind of had this mentality that maybe we, maybe the two of us, weren't meant to be monogamous. Sexually. Sexually. Monogamous. Yes. So relationship-wise, of course, we're monogamous. But when it comes to sex, no, we're not. It's fun to, you know, I like to, I think. Well, sex and love are two different things. That's exactly it. That's exactly what I just said. And sometimes it's fun just to get your freak on. You know, you go out there and you get your craziness on, then you come back to, you know, the stability of your relationship. And that's what it's kind of been like for us. I get to go out and I get to do things that you're not necessarily interested in. And I get to dabble and experience it. But we both agree upon it. We both agree upon it, of course, of course. As someone we both trust. Yeah, all these things, yes. Oh, I'm just, you know. Yeah, just reiterating because of new listeners. Yeah, I mean, we've kind of vetted the partners that I'm with in a way. So I do go on hot dates with them because I am actually a hot wife and I do go on dates with each other. Not all of them, but they have to be someone that you have played with a few times. Right, exactly. When you build that relationship, I can go on dates with them and we go out to dinner and then we come back and have some fun and they go their way. Or go to their place, whichever. Yeah, whatever it is. Depends where they live. We're going to go to dinner and go back to his house in New York City. We're outside of Philly, by the way. I go back to their place, which is, of course, local. So it's, you know, we have some fun. And then we go our separate ways, you know. See you later. Had a great time. And see you next time when the stars line up or whatever our schedule is, right? With us, it's our schedule. Our jobs are very hectic, so. Yeah, sometimes it is. But yeah, it's always been fun. It's a highlight. It adds a little spice to the relationship that we both really enjoy. I mean, you get to to be with other women. I get to be with other men. They would come back. Or I might be with men and or women. And I will only be with women. That's true. So it works out for us. I don't know how other couples do it. Everybody has their own rules. You have to work it within your comfort zone. Yep, that's exactly right. And again, we encourage that. We've talked about on the podcast different aspects of that. Everything from a couple that the wife was at the And she's more into the BDSM thing and he's not. And they ask, hey, can he, the wife asks, hey, can I send my husband down and you have fun with him? Right. Now, the other aspect we haven't touched on is you are actually a content creator. Yes. So we tend to videotape and put out there. Yeah. You're fun. Yeah. So the Playmates you have, sign releases. Yep. Again, if they want to, we can hide their faces and stuff like that. It just seemed like a natural progression. Everybody's like, oh, what did you get outed? You know what? I'm just too old to care. I'm sorry. I just don't care. Wait, people are going to find out I have sex? Oh, my God. No. They can't do that. No, I don't have sex. No, it's horrible. Awful, terrible. Orgasm is bad. Yeah. Fire, good. We've been lucky. Like, nobody in our work life has found us. So if they're looking on swinger sites and watching porn and they find you, they're watching porn too. Yeah. So they're obviously interested. They're not like, oops, I was looking for, you know, this Bible website and I just found you on, you know, hotoldsluts.com. Oh, well, how did that happen? When did we join that one? That's a new one. Oh, is that a new one? Okay. Yeah, it's only for old sluts and I fit right in there, so. I might have, I might have. Where's that money going? What's your account? Wouldn't you like to know? Wouldn't you like to know? But it's just kind of like a natural progression for us because I know I've said this on other shows, the first time I ever played with somebody, it was recorded. So that was kind of fun. Your first swinger experience. Swinger experience, yeah. I guess I should be specific about that. Again, we're not, you know, we don't promote, like, guys cheating on their mates. No, we don't condone that. But in all fairness, we sit there and say, hey, that's not our problem. Our relationship's stable. Yeah, they're not going to mess up our relationship, that's for sure. Theirs, I don't know. I'm not going to go blab at her. We don't promote that. No, no, I don't condone that. Yeah. Don't support that. But we do, you know, we do promote the aspect of couples exploring their sexuality. Sure. Heterosexuality. Yeah, exactly. Again, it might be something we're not necessarily into. Like I said, I am very heterosexual. And I'll make jokes about other aspects of lifestyle and stuff. But, you know, you do you, man. It's all good. Like I said, everyone's on board with it. And of legal age, God bless you. You have to be true to yourself. When you start living a lie, You're not living your life. You're living somebody else's life. And that's not right either. And as long as it's legal and you enjoy it and there's other people that can enjoy it with you, what's wrong with that? Who are you hurting? Yeah, hopefully nobody. Unless they want to be hurt. Unless they want to be hurt. Yeah, no, life is short. And again, one of the best things you can give someone and get from someone that's free is an orgasm. There's an orgasm. So, I mean. Come on. Tell me, is there a time in your life, Do you feel better than when you're getting an orgasm? Ah. Hmm. Unless there's a lot of money involved, probably not. No, even then. No, even then. I mean, you know, you might have, I'm going to put this in a delicate way, I guess. You know, you might take pride in what your children have done or whatever. Right. Like, oh my God, I'm so happy for them. But orgasm might edge that out. Maybe. Depends on what kind of an orgasm. It might. Depends on who's getting it. giving it to you and how good they are giving it to you. I've had a couple that were just, you go into that zone and it's just, wow. And we've talked about in prior podcasts too about how orgasms have different levels. Yes, they absolutely do. At least definitely for me. And a lot of other people we've spoken to, they have different, there's different levels, different intensities, different outcomes in how they present themselves. Your mental state in that part, that physical state you're in. that location you're in. There's so many elements that can take place. Yeah, it definitely affects the orgasm for sure. So again, this podcast is actually, we're trying to give this towards mostly the newer listeners. Right, to see what this is all about. So again, we encourage you. We have over 400 shows we've posted. Are you kidding me? We're getting ready to start, like I said, we're getting ready to start year number five. I don't know how we have anything to talk about. I'm speechless. I wish. Shut up, you're such an ass. I don't need your guff. But you get it for free. You don't pay for that. And I wouldn't. It would not be worth it. Really? The guff is just not worth it. I'm sorry. I thought I had a cute guff. A cute guff. Okay, you do have a cute guff. I have to admit that. Again, info at Hot Wife Podcast. We encourage you to reach out to us. Questions, comments, subjects, ideas. Experience. Experiences. Experiences. If you want to connect and maybe come on the show, you don't have to use your real name. I guarantee you no one's going to know it's you. We don't have that many. People will talk like, oh, I'm afraid people will find out who we are. Hey, if you think we're that popular, thank you. Thank you. We have a following and we thank everyone who does listen. You have no idea how much we appreciate it. But we're no Joe Rogan here. We're still nobody. We're nobodies. I mean, you sit there and look at that. I mean, yeah. We do okay with downloads. We really do. I mean, we're close to 400,000 downloads in four years. So that's pretty good. Yeah, but it's in four years. Well, there's, you know, somebody doing Joe's barbecue podcast. He gets 100 downloads a year. He's like, yeah, baby, 100 downloads. So we're doing okay. I mean, but in all honesty, not that it cares or whatever. We don't do it for the money because there's no money there because it's a sexual The monetization isn't there. No. Because people that have sex don't buy cars. They don't build houses. Don't eat food. Don't go shopping. Yeah, it's funny that way. Don't use the internet. No. No. But we do it as therapy. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. It was more like we were already talking about things and now we just stuck a microphone in front of our faces and we just talked about the same thing we were talking about before. Yeah, again, so we appreciate everyone who does listen. We did just have a problem where somehow something happened with our Apple uploads that Apple wasn't taking them. We just refreshed that. So if you listen to us on Apple, all of a sudden you should be able to find us again. Don't have any idea what happened there. Yeah, I just got some kind of like weird email from them. No, I just refreshed it. That's what it was? Yeah, I was like, what the heck is this? Why am I getting it? It's not coming through anymore And I said, where do you listen to us? And they said, oh, Apple And I went to Apple and it's like, oh, yeah It's like, no, it just stopped uploading So I redid it When in doubt, always go to hotwifepodcast.com Yeah, that's where all the podcasts are You can listen to it there You can download it if you wanted to But we're on iHeartRadio We're on Google Podcasts We're on Amazon Music We're on Audible Now we're on SLS or swinglifestyle.com. SLS radio, yeah. We're also on secretswinglust.com. So we're getting out there. Yeah, we should be out there annoying a lot of people. People of the alternative lifestyle unite. If you're not annoyed by us, you should be. Oh, stop. I don't want to be annoying. I want to have fun and, you know. Story of my life with you. Well, I do that just for you. You got plenty there to spread around. Oh, I'm sure I do. And I do it just for you. But so anyway, so that's the brief. I mean, Donna was an exotic dancer. She didn't really get into that. No, I kind of like skipped into that. Well, like I said, like my entire life has been very sexually oriented just from, you know, day one. And it kind of came down to a thing like I wanted to go to college, money was tight, blah. It's the same story. Oh, somebody said, oh, well, why are you working at a fast food? It wasn't a fast food, like a restaurant, one of those chain restaurants as a dishwasher, making $1.75 an hour. That's how long ago that was. And you could work at this bar up the street. They're paying the girls $10 an hour. Well, this was 1980. So what do you think I'm going to do? Oh, no, I want to stay washing dishes. I could never take my clothes off. But that's when they paid the girls in the industry of, well, we weren't, And we weren't strippers at the time. We were go-go girls. That's how long ago that was. And I just started from one bar. You get comfortable there. Then somebody else says, if you're working at this bar, why don't you work at this bar? I'm like, oh, okay. So now I have two bars and three bars and four bars. Before you know it, I was working. What did we say? I had 40 different clubs I'd worked at. In the area. It was a shorter list of bars you weren't working at. Oh, yes. I mean, I was working 14 clubs at one time. It was easy. You could work three clubs. a day without a problem. And I did that six days a week. So I've always had this sexual energy and enjoyed the whole being an exhibitionist and teasing and, you know, watching people react to me doing whatever I was doing on stage. And it was fun being with the other girls, too. We got yelled at quite a bit. But there's a girl I used to, I remember one club, I was grabbing her tits and she's grabbing mine. The bartender, you can't do that, Donna. I got in so much trouble, but it was fun. It was, you know, we had a good time and yeah, we got, we, we pushed the boundaries a little bit, just a little bit. Like we would put our feet up on the bar and, you know, kind of like stick our pussies in the guy's face and we'd get yelled at and quick jump down or it was just fun. You have to show me what that looks like. I can't picture it. Oh my God. I don't know if I can even do that anymore, but it was just like how it was positioned and you had this rapport with the other girls. And it was just fun. It was harmless fun, you know. But yeah, we got in trouble for that for sure. You guys can't be doing that on stage. And I was like, oh, man. I wish we could. We would have had a blast. Now, there were a couple clubs I did work at where they encouraged girls to do like actual girl-girl shows on stage. So that was fun. But, you know, most of them were very, no, you just can't be doing that. So it depends on the state. It depends on the bar. It depends on so many things. So, but it was fun. I always had that sexual energy, you know, and just being able to make some money with it and pay for college was just an added bonus. You know, it was a, it was a fun, fun time, hard work, but it was definitely fun. And get you through the seminary. Oh, absolutely. I didn't have, yeah, exactly. I became like number one in the seminary school for sure. Yeah, it was fun. It was a good time. But that's always been like an aspect of my whole life. So when I met Vince, it was just a continuation. He was when he talked about doing this, like, quote, adult website. Well, it was, you know, 98. So it wasn't the websites that are out there now. You know, and I had all my stripper friends. It wasn't really a thing. It was all photos. Yeah, we had to take the photos and scan them in. Now you're boring people. Yeah, but it was a lot more work. But it was fun. I mean, I got like a lot of my dancer friends got on board with that. So that was definitely a fun time. This is kind of where we've come from. Yeah. And, you know, again, we encourage you to listen to our older podcast. There's quite a few there. Some of the early ones, I'd be cringeworthy. The general rule of thumb of our podcast is we talk until we think we've covered it. And then we just say, that's it. There's no time limit. Some podcasts might be 20 minutes. Some might be an hour. Some have been over an hour. But until we think we've kind of killed the topic. Right. And again, we always encourage people to contribute. Mm-hmm. So again, info at hotwifepodcast.com. So we also have a blog site that I'm trying to keep up with. It's 50shadesofpleasure.com. It's free. And Donna, if you want to see what Donna... What I'm doing. Who, what, where, when. I have all my links, which is hotwifedonnalyn.com. And on there are all the different platforms that I am. So if you want to see me on... If you're more comfortable with one site rather than another, you can definitely pick and choose from there. Or if you're just curious. Or just curious, sure. So again, we really do encourage you to reach out to us. We will get back to you as soon as we can. It's usually within a couple days, tops. Usually within 12 hours. Yeah, Vince is, he's the one that answers it sometimes. I've been editing a lot of videos. Again, if you're on SOS, Swing Lifestyle, you can, we're Photocouple, F-O-T-O-C-P-L-E. We're also at Hot Wife Podcast on there. And again, it's Secret, I'm sorry secretswingerlust.com. Right. We're on there as Hot Wife Podcast. Encourage you to reach out to us. Yeah. And, you know, again, whatever questions, comments, you want to get on the show, we'll arrange it. You know, no matter where you are in the world, we can do a Zoom call or something. And, you know, we love hearing from other people. We have some new people that have reached out to us and I've said they would love to come on the podcast. So we're really looking forward to that. Oh, yeah. That's going to be fun. I really enjoyed when Angelina came on because she's a wild one. Well, she'll be on here more. Yes, I hope so because that was just fun. It's nice having just other people. She's an off-the-rails. She's a runaway on-fire train. Yeah, she's a little bit of a train wreck there, but in a good way. In a good way, train wreck. A lot of energy. But what I liked is I just like having other people's employees. on things because, like I said before, it's just you and I always talk and we don't, it's the same thing being rehashed. So it's really nice to get that. We talk all the time. Exactly. So getting another person's perspective and their experiences is nice. It's fun. It's exciting. It's refreshing. So by all means, reach out. Again, this is a, our podcast is really a forum to discuss what people like and what they do and enlighten people to something you enjoy that maybe they might enjoy. Exactly. Because there's a lot of things that might seem kind of intimidating or like, I always wanted to do X, but I never, I was always too afraid to, or I was too intimidated. Like the BDSM world, like I've always thought it looked very intriguing to me, but I would never just jump in and, you know, just go to any BDSM party just willy-nilly. We went and we talked to people. We, it was a slow progression. It was a number of years before we actually, before I actually had. You did. Any kind of training. So anyway. So again, this is going to be posted on Christmas of 2025. So we, again, want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas or whatever holiday. Or Hanukkah or Kwanzaa or whatever you celebrate. If you don't celebrate anything, hey, have a great day. The Festivus for the rest of us. Okay, or if you celebrate Festivus, sure. If you live in the Seinfeld world for whatever reason. I thought that was cute. I like that. I like that show. I like that episode. Why do you like that show? Because it was different. Why? Oh, come on. He wasn't always like that. Why? I enjoyed that episode. I thought that was really super cute. Why? Oh, stop it. So anyway, and again, we'll be talking before the first of the year, but if you don't hear the podcast, we wish you all a happy, prosperous, and healthy new year. Okay, maybe this year will be better. Okay, honey. Hopefully every day gets better. I hope so. Stay horny. Good night, everybody.