Voyeurism and Exhibitionism

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hi this is donnalyn and welcome to my hot wife podcast well good evening everybody this is donnalyn and welcome to my hot wife podcast i'm here with my wonderful husband vince and say hi to everybody hi everybody boy don't sound so excited sorry the wild turkey hasn't kicked in yet you gotta be kidding me nope okay let's just go with 101 baby i gotta put up with you you might want to yeah doesn't make me any better looking to me but i'm not sure that's possible but and i mean i mean that because i am pretty much the like epitome of sexy oh yeah my book you definitely are yeah sure why'd you take all the light bulbs out of everything in front of a mirror?

So I can't see myself? Yeah, cover everything up. I thought you were a vampire or something. Anyway, all right. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. What are we talking about tonight? Voyeurism and exhibitionism. Those two opposites that seem to... Ying and a yang kind of a thing. Yeah, I know it is with us. Yeah. Yep, yep. I am definitely the voyeur. And I'm definitely the exhibitionist. Definitely. Well, maybe not. I don't know. How many hundreds of videos have you shot, though? No, you wouldn't want to show off. Not me. I wasn't only an exotic dancer for 22 years. No, no. You know, so.

And I didn't do photography and video. Yeah yeah but you know what that's really weird though like i'm comfortable performing like being physical in front of people but public speaking not so much sorry i can't read your speech but i'm gonna blow this guy over here that's more comfortable here here's my script you read it i'm gonna suck your dick in front of these people, but you can do public speaking and teaching and those kind of things. And me, I'm kind of like, eh, not so much. I hate to admit it, but you've got a better body than me. Oh, I don't know about that. I do. You do too.

You just want to be a fucking nice, lying bitch.

Yeah, but it's, do you think that being a voyeur or an exhibition is just something that's innate or is it something that you've grown grow into do you think is it like the i definitely think it's um something that you i'll call it innate i guess yeah i don't think it's a learned thing i think you either want to show off or you want to watch someone showing off i don't know and again not everyone you know um is necessarily like that because there are people um that don't want to do either yeah i guess you're right yeah you know like even in the lifestyle i can speak about an ex I had.

She didn't want to be in front of a camera, and she didn't like being watched. It was just like, you know, keep the lights off, and we'll have sex, and that's it. But, you know, I don't want to see a mirror or reflection.

I don't want to see a videotape of myself or pictures of myself or or anything i mean so there are people that aren't either um yeah i guess there is i guess the voyeur is on one end of the spectrum and exhibitionism is on the other there are people who are into i'll pick an example of foot fetish people and then there are people who are not it's the same thing it's it's a fetish it's you know yeah voyeurism is one fetish exhibitionism is another fetish they tend to be the yin and yang i think of each other and it is with us well for us that's it's definitely well that's how we kind of met yeah kind of because i came to you and said hey i'm looking for girls for an adult website and you're like hey i'm a girl who would like to show off so i'm like right there yeah so it it uh kind of just went hand in hand yeah they're very complimentary i i think especially if you know you know how to take pictures and videos sure you know if someone's bad at taking pictures your your exhibition is could look pretty nasty yeah well that's just degrees of technical expertise but that's what what you like to do you're so you see we have we have new microphones tonight the first night first this is the first show with these little more advanced microphones and donna oh you're fine but donna these aren't ones you don't have to, like, put your mouth up against.

But Donna still keeps, I don't know, maybe she thinks it's a cock. I'm not sure. It's big and black. Well, it's always got to be big. It's always going to be, okay. Well, these just happen to be big and black, okay? Well, they're actually black and silver, but we have the foam fucking, foam condom for your protection.

So you don't spit into the microphone don't swallow i try not yeah you try not to spit you just swallow um but anyway where were we i got my took my mind off that topic the new uh microphone yeah so we have the new microphones where um we're assuming they got incredible ratings um so we're assuming they sound good in the headphones we'll see what they sound like to people who might be listening so but hopefully they sound as good if not better than the last ones but the nice things for us is we're not again like i said we don't have our mouths up against them um same with the other microphones if you went a little off to the side they faded and i'm going from one side to the other and they're not fading.

No, not at all, they faded. They faded. And I'm going from one side to the other, and they're not fading. No, not at all. I'm going to the side, and I'm going to this side. Yeah, it's still pretty good. It's still pretty good. Yeah, I should have spent the whole $1.50 instead of just the dollar. And you get what you pay for, isn't that what you always tell me? Yeah, I wanted it with you. Oh, well. Anyway, I'll spend the whole $2 next time. But anyway, yeah, so extribism, so exhibitionism and voyeurism. Yeah, I don't think it's for everybody. No.

That's why not every hotel room has mirrors on the ceiling, you know? Yeah, I've been in a couple of those motels, and it's... I think that's kind of a bad place to have the mirrors. You know what?

There's do a see someone's ass or something you're not going to which is not well it was can i say like where we were sure in the dub in the dub yeah and i kept thinking the whole time that we were playing on the bed i think i was with that other girl yeah it was another girl you didn't play with another guy at that time you and i were just friends and your boyfriend you know forbid you to play with anyone but another woman yeah so you were you know only playing with other women yep that's what i was doing but every time on the i would look up i'm thinking if that mirror lets off we're dead i mean that's what i kept thinking i was like this is gonna be if that those mirrors fall i'm i'm gonna die a horrible death and that's the only thing yeah that would be true that would be true but yeah it's you know they've been erotic part of it you know is like well i think the mirrors very 1970s at eye levels yeah i think yeah the stereo i mean that's the stereotypical mirror on the ceiling yeah i don't think that's erotic because let's pretend okay that you're laying on your back and someone's giving you or whether whoever it is all you're going to do is see the back of their head going up and down on your crotch it's like well that's not really that erotic of you but if you have the mirrors on the side i think you can see it all yep yep okay i agree so i mean it's a novelty but it's a novelty i just think it's a lot of money spent.

Like the heart-shaped bed is, was that a heart-shaped bed or a round bed or something? It didn't matter. It still didn't work. It was not great. Yeah.

Again, at what point does, and that's a topic for a whole other show, you know, the stereotypical fucking, let's say, I'll use the the term honeymoon suite kind of shit at what point is that for us like there's one hotel or one resort that has like a big huge champagne glass oh yeah really you know and you have to go up you know like eight feet up a ladder yeah you kind of go eight feet up into this champagne glass thing and and when you're sitting in it you know someone's sitting and you're waiting to get up into it because i've been in those rooms don't ask me how anyway um you just got somebody's ass you know like pushed up against glass and it's like uh right it's like not i don't know it's not To me, as much as I enjoy watching and looking and stuff like that, it's like, oh, right.

It's like, I don't know. It's not, to me, as much as I enjoy watching and looking and stuff like that, it's like, nah, not a good view. I think it'd be kind of fun to do a photo shoot with the whole champagne glass. I mean, in my mind, a fantasy of it sounds kind of cool. Well, you know, again, but in those rooms, I mean, like we did a photo shoot one time with that woman who designed jewelry. Yeah. It was an Egyptian theme room and stuff like that. That was kind of cool. Yeah. It was kind of cool. It was 70s corny. It was like bad porn. In my opinion, and people who like it, that's great.

I mean, I'm not a role play person.

I think if I would have had like better or i i didn't know the room so i didn't bring anything to compliment the room well we were there actually doing a photo shoot for jewelry and that woman got in the hot tub with clothes on she was only gonna go get go get changed to get into the hot tub you remember she came out looking like fucking ellie may clamp it yeah she had like a one-piece jumpsuit with like a ass fucking door on it and no no no i i thought i thought she was wearing like those leggings like what i'm wearing now the capris and a top it was like you're no you should be in a spin class with that not not in a hot tub she definitely should have been in a spin class with that ass well i i i wore like some little bathing suit thing that barely covered anything and i'm like what the fuck are you wearing it's it's yeah but anyway back to the topic let's say that's a topic again we have a lot of life experiences that people are going to sit there what the fuck we're going what the fuck yeah um yeah people you meet inside the uh i don't know how to word it i guess i'd say i just call it the adult community and i don't mean like being grown up i mean porn nudity jewelry creating swinging well just people who are looking for more edgy stuff right sex is remotely involved or sexuality is involved that's probably better sexuality sexuality sure some of these people are just fucked up it's really fucked up but anyway back to the topic yeah no it's pretty much fact i think my opinion counts for fact in this case i got there being come on i say they're Have I not exposed you to some serious fucked up people over the years?

I... my opinion counts for fact in this case i got they're being come on i say they're very have i not exposed you to some serious fucked up people over the years i'm fucked up is such a harsh word can we just say highly unusual okay these are highly unusual people they're not fucked up no they're fucked up no they're just highly unusual now i feel like Biden. Stop it. Stop it. Just stop right there. These people are sick motherfuckers. No, they're not. They're just very unusual. Okay, they're fine. They're upstanding. Yeah, they're fine. They're just very unusual people.

They have great personalities. I don't know if I can even go there. You can see the eye roll there on me. Can you hear his eye roll? Can you hear it? But no, we have met a lot of unusual people. And I'm sure over the course of this, not this show, but over numerous shows, you'll hear more and more about some of the people we've met. And obviously by listening to this podcast, you understand we're not necessarily the sanest people. We're highly unusual as well. Come on.

But from some of the people we met, we're not necessarily the sanest people but we're highly unusual as well come on but from some of the people we met we're a lot more sane so yeah there's yeah there's a lot of people i shake my head i'm like i don't know where they're coming from but let's get back to the voyeurism and exhibitionism which is highly unusual you're going to tell me that like that's mainstream it's not mainstream it is a fetish it's a fetish i'm not gonna argue that not a not even a question it's a fetish i think honestly i think it's probably one of the more mainstream fetishes whether people recognize it or not i agree with that you know i agree with that and i honestly think that the exhibitionist voyeurism is a common fetish whether people recognize it or not inside the swinging community oh absolutely because if i hope i'm not too loud let me turn this down a little um the um because if you're swapping partners or even if you're not swapping partners.

You're watching, generally, your partner with somebody else. Wouldn't that be swapping partners? Yes, but you're watching. That's the exhibitionism. Or you want to show off to your partner. Yeah. Because, you know, it turns them on, which is you're saying, hey, I'm a voyeur, I'm going to do this to tease you. No, that'd be an exhibitionist if you're a voyeur watching. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He's getting it all fucked up now. The wild turkey's kicking in. Oh, stop it. No.

But, you know, same as if you go to a swingers club, okay, and you're there and you go into one of the rooms or whatever where there's multiple people, you're showing off or you're watching. Yeah, I agree. I think that's probably one of the most common fetishes in the swinging community. I think it's almost a necessity you be one of those to some degree if you're a swinger. Now, there are people. I agree. Like the one couple we talked about with the 54 or 64 orgasms, whatever it was. Okay, 56. Whatever, 56. Okay, like I said, I'd spitball on that.

But anyway, if you noticed, she quickly drugged me downstairs to a back bedroom where he took you right into the living room it's like the two times it's happened it's like she wanted to be in a separate room yes you're right you're right so the first time we were in the kitchen like right there you're sort of blowing them yeah but she drugged me downstairs both times so we never watched each other with anything. Ah, that is unusual. That's a good one. It's like, if you remember, we got in the car. I was like, so what were you doing? You're like, oh, I just blew them. It's like, oh, you know.

And I would tell you what went on with me and her. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, because it's like, yeah, we didn't. You never realized that, did you? No, I didn't make that observation. That's interesting. I don't know if it's just more comfortable for her down on the bed downstairs, or if they have something where they don't really want to watch each other. I don't know. They never verbalize that one way or the other. So I don't know. That's interesting.

It's yeah she drug you down both times maybe she wanted to concentrate on you yeah well and again it's different because i'm not in that um bondage world like you know i'm doing her and at one point she goes am i allowed to come am i allowed to come like fuck yeah go for it you know we're but part of the the bondage and control thing which we'll have them on air one day oh yeah again yeah um you know he tells her what she can do what she can't do that's the lifestyle they lead with that yeah and they do live that lifestyle too to some degree just outside the bedroom do they oh yeah yeah you can tell he's much more dominant well he's a dominant We'll be right back.

Yeah, and they do live that lifestyle, too, to some degree. To some degree. Outside the bedroom. Do they? Yeah, yeah. You can tell he's much more dominant. Well, he's a dominant person. His personality is more dominant. I don't know how much they... Yeah, I don't think it's a major part of their everyday life. They have a whole basement dedicated to BDSM. Yeah, but they don't live in their basement.

I mean, but she does her office is down there so yes in essence she does okay yeah well i think the bdsm and their circumstance and it's different for everybody is a big chunk of who they are yeah you know in fact maybe i i again we get them on air we'll Yeah, I think it is a big chunk. Yeah. I mean, I know they have parties on a regular basis, so... Yeah, we've been to a couple of them. One. Yeah, we've been invited to many. Many. You have been inviting us and we're like, oh, I don't know about this. Well, I think things have changed, so... Yeah, I'm definitely... They wore me down.

The problem is they're an hour away. Yeah, it's kind of a long drive for us. Yeah, especially, you know, by the time the party's over, it's, you know, 2 o'clock in the morning and we're driving home and then we're shot in the ass for the next day and, well, the next five days. It's not that bad, but yeah, it's, it's. Well, we have dogs, they don't want to sleep in.

to sleep in yeah for sure if we didn't have animals we could sleep in and we'd be fresh as daisies wilted daisies but but anyway back to the topic um so i mean you know not everyone is an exhibition of voyeurism but i think it's probably probably one of the more common unrecognized fetishes out there. I can definitely agree with that. Yeah. I mean, it's one of the fetishes I'm very, very comfortable with that I really, really like. Sure. You know, I'm really into.

Yeah, and we've talked about that, how, you know, I have a monitor set up so you can see what i'm videotaping so as you're shooting your videos and go to um hot wife donna lynn at um dot com dot com too many emails and shit anyway hot wife donna lynn dot com and find the links where to see these videos and stuff. You know, you'll see times when you're, if you're watching any videos, her or whoever she's playing with, say, oh, my God, doesn't that look hot? And you see them, like, looking off the side. They're looking up at the monitor.

And then I was just looking at the last video you just put up. I don't know if I was just doing anal with that particular playmate, but I got this face on my, this look on my face.

It my face it's like oh well that was the one when i was away yeah that's true but the monitor was there and it's um i put it on the big tv so i could look right at the camera plus the monitor because they were in front of each other so that was yeah oh no is that the one you were away no that's not the one on the tv that's not the one that where i had my phone that's not that oh okay it was the one then that was the one was that the one where the bbc the secret lover your secret lover yeah the guy i finally got to meet we'll talk about that after this topic okay um that was fun but you know people um like for me as a one as a photographer yeah i think people don't realize it or maybe some photographers don't realize it that as a photographer technically you're an exhibitionist no you're a voyeur that's what i meant to say oh my god stop mixing them up you're a voyeur i know the difference i just said the wrong one yeah yes you're a voyeur because i like to be out in front of people yes as a voyeur i mean as a photographer you're a voyeur because you're noticing the world you're capturing the world as you see it yeah yeah i agree with that absolutely and um you know now i don't i'm not using the term voyeur strictly in a sexual sense if you're a guy who shoots someone not a guy if you're a person who shoots landscapes you're a voyeur you're you're showing the world how you see that landscape yeah if you're shooting sports you're showing how you view what you think is a great angle of that sport yep i agree you know or whatever the topic might be so um you know the, the voyeurism, I think, comes to play on a lot of aspects of life that people might not recognize the extent of voyeurism.

Yeah, it doesn't have to be all sexual. I agree with that, for sure. Yeah. Especially as being a videographer or photographer, you're seeing the world through that lens, and that's how you're seeing it.

So it's very personal personal and the same as if you're someone who acts or or performs an instrument or does motivational speaking or whatever chances are you're an exhibitionist you'd like to show off yeah it doesn't have to be sexual not all musicians like to be in the forefront but i mean majority of them if you if you're a singer or whatever yeah you know again i'm not saying everybody no um but it's something that um certainly transcends a sexual though the term i think applies in ways of people i think people want to think as voyeur or exhibitionist in a sexual way sure i think it transcends it sure but it it it really covers more than that i agree um and you know and again it translates i mean hey i i did a lot of motorcycle photography and stuff like that so people saw and commercial photography and fine art saw how i saw the world or that product or whatever through my eyes how i saw it and so that's a a voyeur yep i'm showing you what i see you know and i'm a photograph here's uh get deep for a second a photograph in all honesty is you're capturing one millisecond in that can never happen again yeah i agree you know which is really kind of a cool thing if you think about photography so even if you do a selfie you're never going to be that age yep or anything else that moment you captured you could never reproduce it you could never reproduce it nope so as you you know once that selfie's taken you actually are older you're a minute older a second older whatever so now as a exhibitionist asking you the question okay i'm not getting these terms confused yes i'm an exhibition what about the exhibitionist is the part that you find stimulating um when i'm in front of a playmate and i look into their eyes and i see them watching me and looking at me and I see they're tillulated or they're excited and I see that look in their eye that's exciting like when I even you know you watch me and look at me and you get that little that little shitty ingrid on your face like you're like devouring me like just looking I'm like yeah babe you look good that I find exciting to me.

It it's it's almost like what i'm doing to them and their response to me i find very exciting okay i'm sure i'm sure there's probably more to it but that's certainly one part i can't critique it because i'm not you so yeah i was dancing and if i would take a my top off or something like that and i you see the look on a guy is it about getting these people's attention to that degree like like when you were dancing when you knew and you're the main girl at that point up on stage right the only girl with depending on where we were dancing um if you hear heavy breathing it's my dog it's not me um um um was was that exciting to you knowing that they're watching you and your body and everything you were doing and getting aroused to some level was that was it just another day at work or was that something that was kind of remotely arousing to you?

Oh, it was definitely arousing to me. And that's not true for every dancer. Some girls, it's a job. Well, okay, I'll use arousing. That's put a sexual connotation on. It was stimulating. It was exciting. Not necessarily sexually, but. It was definitely exciting, sure.

I knew every time I went down on stage, regardless of how, every every stage was different like sometimes you went down a spiral staircase but every time i would approach a stage i would get butterflies in my stomach every time after 22 years i still was getting butterflies in my stomach yep every time and that little bit of excitement that i knew that that little jolt of excitement was very stimulating to me and that was exciting then seeing the' responses, or I'll say guys, I meant guys, girls, whoever's in the audience, seeing their response to me and their feedback, that was also very exciting to me.

Okay, here's something slightly off topic. So would it be safe to say that every time you went down on stage or got on stage, you weren't guaranteed a positive response? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, you sit there and go, okay, I'm going to go to work. I push buttons, pull this lever, push a button, pull that lever. But all of a sudden, one day, things just don't go right.

And you always have, usually there was was a pretty positive response but every now and then you'd have an asshole customer who's like didn't like you for whatever reason would it be that there might be other girls that the crowd in general responded to better so you were i'm gonna use this term i don't mean a derogatory but lesser less less of what they wanted to see less exciting sure and you're gonna have that and that's just life but then you go into a club and all of a sudden you're the best thing there yeah depending on the club but in the neighborhood that clubs in there's a couple clubs i went in to pick you up back in the day and i walked in there I was like oh my god she's so much above this place I might have to de-louse her when we leave well that's just the name of the game that's just the way it is sometimes yeah but uh yeah but still being in front of people I mean you have to have a certain amount of confidence about yourself you have to be pretty confident oh sure oh that's why I could never get up on stage and do that i mean i don't have enough i mean i you know i know from what you've told me i'm a very handsome man in a very dark room so with roofies come on you're always involved but um the um you know so to get up on stage I mean, I can get up in front of people and speak.

I have no problem with that because they're not judging me on my looks or body. But are you heavy breathing? He's not breathing. He's just giving me kisses. Yeah, it's our dog. But to get up on stage and, you know, I don't dance at weddings. He doesn't dance, period. That's true. Ever. Oh, I'm afraid if I get this body going, women wouldn't stand a chance. They would just laugh. I mean, but... I'm like, we're going to go there. That's the problem. But to get up on stage and dance and strip, yeah. No, I couldn't do it. I don't care how drunk I was, I couldn't do it.

The truth of the matter is... And I've been pretty drunk, and I've never once danced and stripped. I can honestly say when I was dancing, drinking was not involved. Especially some of the stages I was on because you're up so high. And if you fall off, you are going to get very, very hurt. I remember seeing some girls, not you, but some girls that before they went up on stage the first time, they line up like four to six shots and boom. No. And it's just liquid courage, you know. No, absolutely not. I was. Yeah, I didn't say you did.

The only time I had to drink, and I had to drink, was during the champagne courts at a certain bar because the guys bought you this. It was champagne, or you could have two drinks of your choice. So, well, I hate champagne, or I hated their champagne anyway. So I had to drink something. Pop top can champagne, baby.

Yeah, wasn't wasn't good not for me anyway well it wasn't it wasn't about good champagne it's about making money yeah for the bar for the bar so that's the only time i i had to drink because sure you know you gotta i felt like i had part of the part of the role yeah part of the role so that's the only time I drank during work, which was not what I wanted to do. But most of the time I was straight. I never drank anything. I'm about to throw him across the room. Damn coonhound.

All he does is cry, just like elvis said crying all the time but anyway um but yeah so you know the um damn dog um we definitely have to get that studio going um they love you yeah i love when they go away so but um the um yeah i mean but so you enjoy the exhibitionism from more of seeing like my reaction and the other person's action than actually seeing because in all honesty when you're having sex you can't necessarily see I'll see you next time.

seeing like my reaction and the other person's action than actually seeing because in all honesty when you're having sex you can't necessarily see everything going on right right but like with the cameras like when i'm shooting you i have four cameras most of the time set up and i'm going to different angles and you can see on the monitor angles that you normally can't see can't see which is kind of kind of cool. So it's like, oh, so that's what that looks like from that angle. Yeah, and is it, does, you know, does that add to it? It heightens the sexual experience, absolutely.

The other thing I wish we had is like when I'm doing doggy, doggy's not a great, not a great, visually not a great position. Well, neither is missionary. Ugh, missionary was even worse. But at least with Doggy, like when that one time I slid my phone underneath and I could see like his cock going in and out of me, that was very, very erotic. Yeah, I get that. Thinking, you know, maybe a camera angle from underneath would be really cool. Well, we'll have to get a glass couch. A glass couch. Glass bed, you know. Well, no, they have, you know, we could come up with something.

We'll have to put like a GoPro on a selfie stick for you. Yeah, that would be cool. Put it down there and edit that in. Yeah, that might be kind of cool. And then we also thought about sometimes or an aerial view, like a top view looking down.. Again, now we're looking at now. I just talked about, you know, mirrors on the ceiling. Yeah, exactly. You can see the back of one guy's head and you looking up going, yep. Well, no, that's not that. No, if you could have a camera that you could actually see like where the action is from the upper view, that'd be cool. But again, I like to watch.

I like to to see what's going on i like to see what's happening to me i like to see their response to me you know that well do you actually i thought is uh pretty erotic that because like you couldn't see it like when you were on top of him riding and especially with a black guy right um it creams up a lot oh yeah yeah it happens with white guys but with black guys you can really see it yeah and like you're riding i mean you look over the monitor and you can see all that cream going on you're like oh my god that looks so hot yeah because you can't see that when you're on top and you're riding yeah you're kissing him or whatever.

Yeah, exactly. You know, talking about the weather or whatever. Yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about, the weather. So how do you think the Phillies are going to do this show? Well, that's sex talk, you know. Have to get them going. Talk about men in tight pants, you know.

But so anyway, so when you see aspects that you don't see and and then you're like oh my god it looks so good you're where you sit there like oh my god look how my pussy is wrapped around your huge cock you know that stuff's exciting i think it's exciting yeah of course that's just me but yeah i do i find that very erotic yeah and if i can see it while it's happening even adds more to my excitement. Sure. Which is always good. Especially when you tell them, hey, move your hips side to side so that way it hits the sides. Yeah, that's exactly what I say.

Yeah, because that big dick is just bouncing around in that hallway. It's just, yeah, hot dog down the hallway. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there we go. What do you always say about, you know, a skirt it sounds like on a windy day on a windy day like a gun blowing into an empty coke bottle so anyway um but uh yeah no so so yeah i mean i think not everyone is an exhibition exhibitionist or a voyeur but I think there's probably more people that like it than realize or have acknowledged.

You know, if they have the mirrored closet doors in their bedroom, and while they're doing it, they look over, they're not realizing that. It's like, wait, am I a voyeur or am I an exhibitionist? Do I enjoy seeing what I'm doing, or am I enjoying watching what I'm doing?

Am i enjoying doing this and showing off are you telling your significant other whoever it is it's like oh baby look at us it's so then now you're an exhibition now you're an exhibitionist it's pretty subtle when you're just watching yourself in the mirror so you could it could be either way yeah you know if you take your phone out and you're shooting little videos of your significant other doing whatever to you you know all of a sudden now you step into that realm yeah you do yeah i think it's a lot more common than people realize and it's i don't even the the selfie craze oh that's you're now you're an exhibitionist well and you're both you're off, but you're also liking what you're showing.

You're posting it to your social media. Right. And you think you look good enough. To put it out there so that makes you an exhibitionist. Yeah. But you're also looking at yourself.

But you're also taking the picture through your eyes so that makes you a voyeur yeah so you're both oh that's weird i would think definitely i would just be exhibitionist but you're an ex of voyeur is that a word now it is trademark vince snyder yeah i don't think so I can't trademark Exavoyer Or Voizobitionist so i can't trademark ex-a-voyer ex-a-oyer ex-a-voyer ex-a-oyer or voice ambitionist god stop it that's just not a boy ambitionist yeah i got shots right i cleared right up but um yeah i mean social media is based on on just that oh really think about it oh that you're absolutely right.

I mean, even media is based on just that. You really think about it. You're absolutely right. I mean, even if you're just adding your status to whatever social media posts, like, oh, I'm taking a shit right now. Essentially, that's a way of exhibition. You're bragging about what you're doing. I don't think I'd brag about that, but yeah, absolutely. I mean, I found out I shouldn't do that. I mean, I posted pictures. I posted pictures. Tape measure was in the picture. Yep. Look at this one. It wrapped around the bowl twice. Holy shit. Wow, I didn't know my colon was that big.

Anyway, I don't remember eating that. But anyway, so yeah. So exhibitionism and voyeurism, they're, I think they exist in more people than they realize. Yeah, I hesitate to call it a fetish, although I would say it definitely is. It is, because not everyone has it. Yeah, well, if you're not an exhibitionist, I dated a girl who wanted, I was with a woman that wanted the room dark. Nothing during the day, not when the sun was up. That's weird. Yeah, she wasn't comfortable in her skin, which is fine. Not everyone is. No, I get it. Everyone should be to some level. That would be nice.

You'll be happier, but. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean you know you gotta love yourself or you can love anyone else but um i agree you know so but i think majority of people are just without recognizing it okay the question i was going to ask you if you're not an exhibitionist and you're not a voyeur what's what's the stuff in between what would that be called is is there a name for that is there is there a term that's like i'm not an exhibitionist i'm not a voyeur i'm a blank i'm a what what is that called like you said she didn't she'd like to have sex with the lights on okay shy okay yeah i mean what else would it be i i don't know i i'm just putting it out there i don't know i really don't know yeah i mean um i i i'm yeah i mean it's yeah it's someone who doesn't have self-confidence.

It's someone that isn't comfortable in their skin. Someone that maybe hasn't been treated right and told how beautiful they are, no matter what they look like or whatever. If someone... I agree.

I mean, I can't say they love you or whatever, because you pick pick somebody up in the bar it's not necessarily love certainly is lust maybe maybe it's desperation maybe just drunken horniness if it's just the two of you left in the bar at closing time it's just desperation it's like i got some frustration you got some frustration let's let it loose um and there's nothing wrong with that either no i i don't i don't care that's fine problem was it was another guy i was left you're so desperate i was drunk um he was cute good for you hon i'm glad his first name was you know could have gone either way it was stacy could have gone yeah we don't figure it out pat yeah fran right i'm not judging you know who am i so that was just last night um but anyway the um yeah so but yeah that's it's something i think people should think about and and then okay now let's get into the exhibitionism and voyeurism again with the aspect of as an exhibitionist who you want to show off to or why do you want to show off i mean do you want to show off to your significant other?

Do you want to show off to unknown people? I mean, there's voyeurs like we talked about that, you know, up at the nosebleed section of a stadium, you know, the girl. They're not voyeurs, they're exhibitionists. Exhibitionists, I'm sorry. Exhibitionists, I'm thinking ahead of what I'm saying without thinking what I'm saying. Isn't that the truth? Shut up. I'm just going to do this to your microphone.

So so now um you don't really need to hear her do you don't touch my knobs don't touch my knobs these are my knobs so okay um but these exhibitionists you know there's the correct term yes you're right i'm i was wrong i apologize fucking bitch um but uh did your headphones pick that up absolutely they're pretty pretty strong they're pretty good i gotta turn that down um but um yeah i mean they're up in the noseweed section they think no one's watching them she's wearing a little skirt she puts her skirt up and sits down on his lap and grinds away. Do you think that they know?

Do you think that they think nobody's watching? I can't answer that question. Or this is a whole other fetish about there's a thrill of doing things in public. Yeah, well, exhibitionism, did I use the right term? Yes. Okay, thank you. Jesus Christ. Goes in so many ways.

It could be like, hey, performing like you do for your husband or whatever or for people in the bar right but then there's people who want to do it in public like hey i want to fuck in the middle of the mall and let's see we can get away with it yeah there's that excitement of possibly getting caught but then then you also have the voyeurism which goes to illegal where people are doing like hiding a gopro on their fucking shoe and trying to shoot up girls skirts oh yeah yeah you know or that's or peeking in people's windows you know we don't condone that kind of shit that's you know that's just wrong but um you know so i mean but everything you could take any fetish and go in the wrong direction with it oh yeah you could take anything too far to access sure absolutely but um you know so it's you know with the exhibitionism what type of exhibitionist are you are you do you want to do it something like we have a very nice property here that is secluded basically but there are areas are areas the neighbors could see.

Could possibly look in. Like, our pool is, for the most part, secluded. But the neighbor, if they come to a certain part of their property, they can see down into our pool. Right. And you were walking around there in just a thong. Right. Which, in this neighborhood, is not normal. Nope. But he happened to see it one day and stood there for a couple seconds and just got as much eyeful as he could i think you said he like turned or turned his head real quick like oh my god but he he stood there for a minute like am i oh my god i'm seeing donna walking around in a thong. Oh, I better go.

He had to kind of do a double take, like, what the fuck? Oh, my God. I should be watching this. They might see me. I better go. Yeah, we'll have to put up a screen on certain areas or lattice or something. I'm not worried about it right now. I'm not worried about it. I just think if we're in a plane. It's our property. It's private property. We have a fence up and everything else.

If he he's looking over the fence that's on him yeah but we're gonna be doing more than just walking around in a thong i'm afraid i don't want you will be i won't be i could just see you i definitely no i told you about the guy who came into work in the thong no you didn't oh here's a funny story oh god here we go so the other day i was at work and i work in a retail business and i actually work in a gun store okay and we have a we have an indoor range okay and this one guy these two guys came out of the range and they put their their gun bags down on the ground to go to the bathroom where they could wash to get the gunpowder and the lead off their hands.

And the one guy in particular is a very husky man with a big, full, like, lumberjack beard. Oh, boy. This big beard, okay? And so he puts his gun bag down and he he bent over. I just happened to look over as he's bending over, and all of a sudden, I see a teabag. Oh, my. Oh. A black teabag. I was like. Well, he says black. I was like, uh. Why would. It's like, ah, damn it. You can't unsee that.

I can't unsee that.'t unsee that so he goes down and goes into the restrooms to wash his hands i think and i said to the other guys i work with like you're not gonna believe this that big guy with the beard he's wearing a fucking thong like no i'm telling he bent over and his fucking teaback thong was like half up i mean he had this shit wedged up his fucking ass and like you're full of shit i said dude i can't make this shit up i'm telling you he's like no fucking way like all right so now there's like four of us standing there waiting for this guy waiting for this guy to come back from the bathroom right so So the one guy happened to be doing something on the other side of where this guy's bags were.

And so he comes out of the bathroom, and he goes and he picks up his bags. As he does, he bends over again. Well, sure enough, the teabag comes back. The one guy happened to be walking right behind him.

His eyes rounded out like he just got a you know fucking volt of electricity up his fucking ass like whoa the other guy you know it's like spins his head around the other way like i can't look anymore it was just like well and and so the guy goes up and he he leaves the store and they're like holy shit you weren't kidding us i'm like why would i make that up where would i make that why what would i make that up for and then one guy goes you're not gonna believe this he also has a tramp stamp i'm like i didn't see that much i didn't look that much i i'm already called my therapist and i have an appointment for tomorrow tomorrow why wait that long i have an appointment in the next 15 minutes but so so that's been the last few days been like the big thing at work about you know about big burly guys with with thongs i think you should go and wear a thong so here's one part that really worried me the guy who walked behind him he's like that guy shaves his ass went, how the fuck do you know that?

He goes, well, he says, he's got that big, full beard. He's got a big, hairy, you know, big head of hair. He's a hairy guy. He says, there wasn't a stitch of one fucking hair on that guy's ass. He says, he would have a hairy ass. I said, I don't know. I don't think that far ahead or don't care and the other guy he's like that was that guy's that guy's tram stamp i think it was a penn state logo i'm like this is just way too much to take in guys i i have to go home and drink so they're still debating you know it's like you know do you think it was a lace thong? I said, I don't know.

I saw black. That's all I know. You know. It was lace. I don't know. I don't care. But yeah, that was the little. Yeah, it was. Yeah. He's not. Okay. I am not for men in thongs. I'm not for men in general at all. That's really not. Okay. They're not my favorite sex sex okay but anyway um you know i get like chip and dale's wearing a thong i get that when they're on stage sure i don't see the need for it off stage but anyway chip and dale's have a certain body that can kind to carry off a thong. Sure. This was not this guy. This was kind of like, do you remember Al Borman?

Was it Borman Al on, what was it, Tim Allen's show? Oh, yeah. He was the... He was the assistant on the TV show? Yeah.

kind of him with a tool uh tool time tool time that was his tv show and there was the name of the show um but anyway you know i'm talking about this yeah okay it was kind of like this guy kind of looked like him a little younger and a little more belly to him yep wearing a thong wearing a thong and it's just like you know i'm flashing back to ozark with the bigly guy he realizes he's gay and he goes you tell anybody I'm not a fag you tell anybody I'll kill you and his lover is like you gotta work on your pillow talk here but it was that same kind he was a big burly guy but this guy was a little burlier than that guy oh my god nothing wrong with that I'm a burly guy but i don't wear thongs so but it's just one of those things like kind of doesn't fit does it no it was kind of accessory which of these things just doesn't belong and that that was it that was i found it right away boom right there right there that thing like i can see uh like chippendales orong.

You know what, if you're someone who, again, I don't think thongs are something complimentary for men in a men environment. Right, in a male environment, sure. Okay. If you have a good body and you're wearing a thong for the woman or your lover, let me put it that way. Sure. I get it. I understand that. Okay. As long as they think it looks good on you, fine. But in general, the average male... Not so much.

Women of all sizes, not all sizes, but most sizes, can wear a thong and still look remotely sexy yep okay women can get away with a lot more a heavyset woman is okay nude but heavyset men don't look good nude isn't that funny that's that's very sexist of you to say but yeah it is i'm not gonna argue but it's the truth I'm not saying something that's, you know.

I think a more plush woman looks better could look better nude than a than the same body type on a man nude yeah well look at i don't know why that is look at the old days like ruben yep yep you know he did a lot of paintings and stuff of heavyset women, you know. But heavyset men tend to look more slovenly. Yeah, that is very sexist, but I think you're right. Yeah, I mean. You know, it's like old paintings. Hey, I'm a heavyset man. I would love us to look, like, be acceptable, but I'm not. You know, it's just, I'm calling it what it is, you know? I mean. Just look like big cherubs.

Well, women, I mean, soft women can still be sexy. Soft men, not so much. My opinion, and that's all, let me phrase it this way. That's what I'm saying. This is my opinion. You don't have to agree with me. Thank you.

much not not my opinion and this and that's all me for me phrase it this way that's what i'm saying this is my opinion yeah you don't have to agree with me that's how people might like it i mean hey there's a there's a lid for every pot don't get me wrong if it's something that you're sitting there going hey vince you're fucked up no i think fat men look great well hey god bless you um i don't think men in general look great but that's me um but you know for my photograph days doing photography you know a lot of guys wanted to pose you know that i shot one to pose nude and i'm like no you don't unless you have and even guys with perfect bodies shooting nudes of them right and i don't mean this in a derogatory way if you're not a gay man and you want to do nudes chances are it's going to look like gay pornography yes men in general even with the best bodies look better partially clothed partially clothed you go full nude chances are you're gonna look gay and if that's what you're going for that's what you go for god bless you that's fine go for it i have i have no issue with the gay community did all kinds of maple thorpe always shot was gay men oh my god and the men were stunning some of them i mean they had like the perfect body but he posed in such a way it was obviously erotic well he knew what he was doing maplethorpe knew how to pose people and everything else and he got models that were in model condition yeah and his his audience too is also it was definitely a gay audience so it played to it it was it was fine it worked but if you're not that you're going to be you have to be you have to be comfortable in your own skin to look at maple thorpe oh yeah yeah you know i'm not threatened by looking at gay images um and i can appreciate what he did photographically with lighting and everything else, but I just, you know, I'm not a, uh, it wasn't porn.

They were just nudes, but they knew how they were posed. The undertone was that of gay. Of sure. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he was not trying to hide that, you know, and it didn't need pass. I do not know. I almost think he was one of the few that passed, one of the celebrities that passed from AIDS for some reason. I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. But I don't believe he's still alive. I think he's passed. Well, I just think the age thing, I think he's passed. Those photographs are not. Yeah. Anyway, he did stunning work. Oh, yeah. So, but, yeah, no, I thought I told you the T-back story.

No, he did not. Not even. So that's been the running joke at work about the heavyset guys with thongs.

I think you need to get a black thong and just hang it over something like a male black thong with a pouch and everything just put in like one of the guns or something oh that guy came back oh watch you guys like i want to get get one somewhere from amazon just send it to like the one guy at work that i bust his stone he tries to bust my stones but i cut him off all the time right and send it to him and say i was there the other day i noticed you're looking at me and oh no no that would be hysterical but he has to be like everybody has to know about it we send it to him he can just like oh i'm not gonna talk about this i'm not gonna no i would send it to work addressed to him oh send it to work addressed to him oh that's hysterical uh you we've done that before to one of the other co-workers i might just have to do that oh that's evil yeah i know Thank you.

addressed to him oh that's hysterical uh you we've done that before to one of the other co-workers i might just have to do that oh that's evil yeah i know as you're looking at me i sent this song to you yeah i want to show you my tramp stamp in person that's terrible i want to put like lotion on my tramp stamp with your tongue. I want to see what teaback you're wearing. Oh, my God. Anyway, now it's got my devious mind working. Oh, well, Vince is notorious for pulling pranks on his co-workers, which is awful and funny. Can I tell you about the one? We got the little boy's underwear.

put your name in it wait you have to set it up because i'll get it wrong you you tell the story because you it was it was your idea there's a there's a gentleman there i work with who's uh he's about your age yeah he's a few couple years older than i am and uh but he's younger than me he's a little younger than me one year younger than you but he looks a couple years older than you that's it great guy phenomenal guy um probably the favorite guy i work with right in my opinion and um so we bust each other's chops all the time and And so like I, you know, he used to have off on Tuesdays and I have off on Mondays.

And so like I would say things like, like I found a picture of, it was during the winter, I found a picture of someone had put footprints and handprints extended in the snow but then there was like a a penis imprint so like someone nude fell into the snow and i went up to him i said hey son of a bitch i said i saw this in the snow the other day you know on tuesday apparently when i came home from work i found this so were you visiting my house and of course He just lapped his ass off. So the joke became that, like, on his day off, he would come over and visit Donna. Right, exactly.

Okay, and again, nobody at work has any idea of any of this stuff. Oh, no, they have no idea we're in the lifestyle at all. So I came up with the idea. One day, Donna and I and my daughter and her now husband were going to the range to shoot. So I quick stopped at Walmart and ran in. And this gentleman, just like Donna, is a smaller stature. Now, he's taller than you. The whole world's taller than me. But he is, I don't know, I'd say he is maybe 5'4", 5'5". I was going to say 5'6", but he's an Amazon in my world. Okay.

So I went in, and just to add to the joke that I wanted to play, I went in and I bought a pair of young men, and by young men I mean under 12. Underoos.

Yeah, they were like like superhero underwear it was like so which one was a spider-man I think it was superman so I took the pair of superman tighty-whities kind of thing yeah they were definitely and as we walked in I said I gave him to Donna and I said put his name in the back yeah I put his name on the waistband you know and I said um i need you to when we walk in i said i want you to walk over to him and hand these to him and tell him you left these at the house vince almost found them you know this is in front of all the other co-workers yeah so he sat there his fucking jaw hits the fucking ground now the other funny part that you probably missed was how embarrassed my daughter was oh she's she wanted to she wanted to leave the store in the worst way i can't believe you did she thought it was my idea i'm like that's not my he thought it was your idea and i'm like yeah yeah she's the joke maker yeah okay.

So, needless to say, everyone in the place laughed their asses off at it. He was like, he's like, I didn't know what to fucking say. Here he is. I'm holding up these little tiny underwears and telling him, you've always laughed here. Vince, I've always found these tiny. They've never fit them. They wouldn't even go for like one leg of his. That's the funny part. Well, that was the aspect that you're wearing his tight little Superman fucking underwear. But yeah, so that was, you know. I give a lot of the guys at work. A lot of guys.

They try to give me shit, but they just can't do it because I'm better than they are.

And you have aiant mind it's like i i don't i don't know where these ideas come from but all of a sudden it's probably better you don't know you've done these pranks again with your daughters i mean this is going off the topic here but i mean constantly constantly yeah yeah right yeah my manager at work i've um thursday yeah thursday twice on thursday i made him i have so hard twice two different times that his coffee shot out his nose and his mouth and all over you know one time i swear to god i made his coffee come out. I think it came out of his tear ducts one time. I really do.

I don't know how that works. But no, they just, you know, they know that they all pick on each other, but they don't pick on me. They try. Every once in a blue moon, someone gets the courage and they try, but I cut them off at the knees and also leave Vince alone. Oh, you're going to have fun. No, that's the part. I am fun. Especially when I do pick on somebody and they can't fight back. That's evil. But anyway. I don't know. Leave Vince alone. Oh, you're no fun. No, that's the part. I am fun. Especially when I do pick on somebody and they can't fight back. That's evil. But anyway.

I've been the brunt of many a joke, which is fine. So, but anyway, we're going to wrap this up. We've killed an hour of your time if you made it this far. So again, please go to hotwifedonnalyn.com and you'll find all the links to see where you can see more of her. All platforms i'm on because i'm an exhibitionist and i'm out there everywhere we're hoping this we're recording this on saturday night the 30th um and it'll be posted tomorrow on sunday morning but uh we'll be doing a show on wednesday i don't know what day that is tomorrow is the first right Yes, tomorrow is the 1st of May.

So, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, is it the 4th? So, I is the 1st of May. So 1st, 2nd, 3rd, is it the 4th? So I think the show on the 4th. We're going to try our best to actually videotape that show. So you'll actually be able to see Donna as we do the podcast. Yeah, that'd be kind of fun.

And with any grace of God god we might actually be able to live stream it on her free only fans page yeah well we'll see we'll see that's that's second on the priority the first is just being able to record it so yeah let's record it for baby steps let's record it first let's see how that works yeah we've tried other things with live stream and did not go well i don't know but i yeah we'll see i don't know if it's their website I don't know we'll find out one way or the other but the site the show will be up on her OnlyFans and her Pornhub for free and you'll be able to see it once we record it it'll be up the next day it's like Thursday morning it should be up cool and uh so i'm not sure what the topic is as of yet no we'll go through our yeah we have a list of topics and stuff and again i personally want to thank you for listening again the numbers are mysteriously growing and appreciate that and hope uh we make you think a little bit about the different things in the sexual realm as well as maybe make you laugh a little bit.

I don't think we're making anybody think. We're not that deep. No, I didn't say it was deep. They might be thinking, is he really a big asshole? He's a bigger asshole than you think he is. Wow.

I should have cut your mic off a second ago shouldn't i let me see what happens if i hit this button hey yeah there we go see if i hit that button you don't hear oh okay that's what happens when he has control over the board yeah well and i don't know what buttons to push so i'm not even touching it i don't want to fuck anything that's the story of my life she doesn't know what buttons to push Yeah, well, not even touching it. I don't want to fuck anything up. That's the story of my life. She doesn't know what buttons to push. Yeah, well. Anyway.

If it's a button, yeah, you better believe I don't know what buttons to push. Anyway. Shouldn't it be a lever? I am going to sign off, and I'm going to say thank you again. And, you know, again, feel free to reach out to us.

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