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In this episode of the Hot Wife Podcast, hosts Donna Lynn and Vince explore the dynamics of intimacy, focusing on the debate between penetration and oral sex as means to achieve orgasm. They discuss personal preferences, the importance of teasing and buildup, and the role of toys in enhancing pleasure. The conversation also touches on the complexities of sexual satisfaction in multi-partner scenarios and the significance of communication in relationships. The episode concludes with insights into their upcoming projects and a light-hearted banter about their experiences.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/hot-wife-podcast-and-the-swinger-lifestyle--5343522/support. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Welcome to the Hot Wife Podcast, where we dive into discussions about relationships, intimacy, and everything in between. Before we begin, we want to make it clear that the views expressed on this podcast are solely those of the host and guests, and should be taken as opinions, not professional or medical advice. Additionally, we remind all listeners that this podcast is intended for adults over the age of 18. Unauthorized rebroadcast of this show is strictly prohibited without the written permission of the owners of Hot Wife Podcast. Now, let's Yeah, okay. I know.
You always give me such a hard time with that. I don't give you a hard time. I just snicker at what you think you're saying. It's all lies. You know that it's all lies. Yeah, pretty much. No, I couldn't do this without you. You know that. Yeah, who else would run the board? Exactly. That's my point. That is exactly my point. You just want me for my technical knowledge. Oh, and you have such a big technical knowledge. Your knowledge is so big and throbbing. I can't help how fast it just comes about.
I was thinking of other things, but it didn't stop but it didn't stop it didn't stop it a premature technical abilities i hit the record button so soon i'm sorry well it happens to the best of us yeah so oh god hey a quick shout out to uh anybody i'm sure they're too busy to listen right now, but everybody that's been affected by that hurricane. Oh, how many? Yeah. Our thoughts and prayers go out to everybody affected by that. Any family members, you know, you're all in our thoughts and prayers.
And, you know, just like in the past, you know, as a country will, no pun intended, weather this storm and get through it. But again, we've lost a lot of people. Yeah, surprisingly. Like 80 people, I think. Yeah, that's crazy. I know. Not to bring the show down, just wanted to, you know, again, a thought. And so, but anyway, so info at hotwifepodcast.com. There you go. I think I need new headphones. Well, you don't like those or they're working? No, it just sounds so echoey in my head. No, you sound fine. What I'm hearing, it sounds like I'm in a can. It might be your brain.
Maybe I need to spend like 16 bucks, not 15 bucks on a pair of headphones. I don't know. Well, I think it goes deeper than I think it's like, it's just your brain. If I had one. Ah, so you're just echoing that empty cavern that you call a skull. Anyway, info at hotboypodcast.com Love to hear from you. Ideas, questions, comments. You know, we hear from people now and then. We sure do.
And we love it all yeah um we're going to be starting a new podcast um different and actually we're going to be doing it with uh our fan wayne yeah i think it's gonna be fun yeah we talked about this yeah it's one i've toyed with and didn't find someone that uh i do it with. And this is going to be different. It's going to be a long, it's not long range, like when you have a relationship, long distance podcast relationship. Wayne does not live in our state, and we're going to do it, you know, with a Zoom kind of interface and record it, and it's going to be called bourbontherapypodcast.com.
It's not up yet, working on it, and it's going to be, it's not going to be about swingers and stuff like that. It's going to be about bourbon, cigars, life, food. And anything else to bitch about. It's basically just a sound off kind of show. So we're going to see how that goes. You know, it really grinds my gears and that kind of thing. Yeah, that kind of stuff, yeah. Actually, I wouldn't have called it Two Hot Husbands and Donna Show. Yeah, you guys were having fun with that last night. I was going back and forth with texts and you guys were doing that.
And I was like, oh, okay, I see where I fit in. Two Hot Husbands and forth to text and you guys were doing that and I was like, oh, okay, I see where I fit in. Two hot husbands and Donna. You got your own show, show it. I know. So, you know, but, yeah, so that'll be coming up. We'll keep you abreast of that. So, so let's play Spunk Lube. Of course. Looking for the perfect enhancement to your intimate moments? Introducing Spunk Lube. Of course. Looking for the perfect enhancement to your intimate moments? Introducing Spunk Lube, the ultimate personal lubricant that redefines pleasure.
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It was the one, it was penetration. Is penetration really necessary to achieve an orgasm or is oral and non-penetration going to get you there? Well, which is more satisfying for an individual thing? An individual thing, sure. Is penetration really necessary to get you where you need to be? I like the way it tastes and it's sterile. Dodgeball reference. I knew exactly where you got with that. Yeah, I know, but people who might not know where I got that from.
Yeah, I mean, there was somebody, Mickey somebody mickey she you know she had orgasms through oral yep but um she preferred penetration she even said she goes i need to be railed it wasn't even like penetration because i need to be railed i was like okay oh okay i've never quite heard it put no i've it put that way before. I didn't expect her to come out with it, though. No, no. You know, we don't know her, you know, so this is the whole swinging thing has only been like a year or two. So to hear her say that, I was like, whoa.
Well, so the first question I would have for you with that is, what is more satisfying for you? Well, for me, I go through like different stages of arousal. So I, I do, I love oral and I can definitely have a great orgasm through oral, but there is something about having something sliding inside of me that I really like to, Although it's not always necessary. It doesn't even need to be a penis. It could be a finger, a toy. I think it depends on my mood, but it also, if you get your finger there and you get the right G spot, it just makes the orgasm even more intense if there's penetration.
It's not necessary. It's like the cherry on top of a really wonderful, creamy, I love you.
makes the orgasm even more intense if there's penetration it's not necessary it's like the cherry on top of a really wonderful creamy delicious sundae you know but it's not necessary i there are times like you're doing me i'm like oh man i just want to you know stick your finger and by the time i even get around to saying hey would you i've already come so it's like ah shoot Because I'm trying to make it last longer And if you do the finger thing even get around to saying, hey, would you, I've already come. So it's like, ah, shoot, because I'm trying to make it last longer.
And if you do the finger thing, I'm going to come even quicker. So I'd like to, you know, just tease a little bit longer so I can enjoy it just a little bit longer. You slide your finger there, I go for the G spot, I'm gone. I'm over the edge, I'm gone. Yeah. I'm already in bed smoking a cigarette, I'm done. Yeah. So, but, okay, here's the next part two of that question. Does that differ from playmate to playmate? Yes. Okay. Everybody has their different techniques. Some guys are just... Okay, but, okay, as an example, I'm going to cut in. Okay, you're going to cut in. Okay.
Everybody has their different techniques. Some guys are just... Okay, but okay, as an example, I'm going to cut in. Okay, you're going to cut in. Sometimes it's a matter of some guys are just more... I'm going to use the word aggressive. Okay, like they think they're going to finger fuck you like a pool start in a mower. Yeah, I think that... And then they want to fuck the same way. Yeah, that doesn't always work for me. For you. For me. That's just me. But if I'm in that mood, if they get me riled up enough, I can easily get into that mood. I can't just start in fifth gear. I can't.
I just can't do it. For you to be in the more aggressive mood sexually, you have to have been worked up. Sure. Yeah. I need to be warmed up a little bit more. Or sometimes it's just a matter of like throughout the day, uh, I've just been horny all day. So by the time we get a chance to play or whatever, then I'm already, you know, the motor's already running. So then it's fine. But if it's like, you know, you're just meeting somebody for the first time, you don't know anything about them. You don't know what their techniques are. It does. It takes a little bit to get the motor going.
So that's, oral is really good, and some guys are just not skilled in that field for me for me so it kind of you know doesn't get me where i need to be but for me i love the whole oral thing i love the um i it's a little bit selfish i can just lay back and just enjoy the sensations i don't have to do anything i can just just be immersed in my own fantasies and Thank you. It's a little bit selfish. I can just lay back and just enjoy the sensations. I don't have to do anything. I can just be immersed in my own fantasies and just enjoy the pleasures of the undulating orgasms and sensations.
Ooh, isn't it a big word? Yeah, I know. I like that. I like those undulating orgasms. Those little wavy ones that you get. You get like... Okay, you say so? Yeah. Okay, well, so part three of that question. That was a part three? So if you're only playing with another woman, okay, what happens when you want that penetration? Is a vibrator or dildo going to meet that need for you?
probably i i don't know i'm asking a question is inquiring minds want to know inquire yeah i i mean again it depends on my situation how you know how riled up i am but yeah i there's some there's some toys that as soon as they put them on my clit i come i. I mean, they're either A, that strong or whatever. I won't even get a chance to even get it inside of me.
But, yeah, that's why I guess women, you know, some women like the whole either double-headed dildos or strap-ons, which for me a strap-on is kind of lackluster because I don't get any sensation from a piece of rubber going into my vagina. Vagina. My vagina. So, you know, if they could make, and they do, and I never bought one. I used to have that double-headed Zildo. I think I still have it. It's like that big rubber thing. And, you know, it looked good visually, but it was not satisfying at all. Yeah, well, you need the extra simulation. You've said before you like vibration.
I like vibration, but they do make a double-headed dildo that does vibrate. I'm sure. I'm going to make everything now, so whatever you want. If you look for it, you can probably find it. But, yeah, once I get to a certain point of arousal, the penetration is really nice. Okay. So, you know, that usually throws me over the hill. Okay. The top of the, you know, the roller coaster. Sure. So, okay, part four. Oh, there's a part four? My God. You make me think of other questions. Oh, no. Um, the, what if guys, um, there's times that I've seen you have intercourse, but you don't come.
Oh, yeah, because I'm not, I'm not quite there yet, or maybe things aren't hitting things quite the right way. But you've had guys that obviously the oral is a foreplay. It helps get the motor running, okay? But there's guys who don't really do oral, or they do it for all of 10 seconds, and then they just want to fuck. I know. It's fine. This is different person to person. Oh, it is. It is. Woman to woman. Oh, yeah. Every woman will give you five different answers. Oh, absolutely. And there's no right or wrong. And sometimes it's fine. I have fun with it. Sure. But usually I do like more.
I like that buildup. I like the tease. I do like being teased. And oral is a great teasing, buildup, warmup type of a thing. You know, especially, you know, the way you, some guys, you know, they just kiss around it. They're not like right on the clit all the time. That teasing really gets the motor going, in my case. So when I do get a chance to do any kind of penetration or penetration is done on me, you know, I'm right there. And it just adds to the whole sensation. So this is nice. Or if sometimes I can do a different position as far as penetration goes.
Like if I'm on top and he has like a bigger dick, if I close my legs a little bit more, his cock like just rubs up against my clit, which is really good. I have come, oh, my God, many times that way, you know. That's why I like being on top. I have a little more control. I'm also tiny. so if guy's so if guys on top of me I get that whole like I've been crushed yeah I don't like being on the body yeah exactly it's like yeah I'm not a fan of missionary style sex I don't call. Turtle sex. You know, a guy's hump on top of a woman looks like a turtle shell. Yeah.
Visually, for like, again, if you're a voyeur or if you're trying to shoot it as porn, it's the most boring thing to watch or shoot. Unless you're doing it from a perspective that's going to entice another man because all you see is man's ass. You shoot from that end and you've got asshole and testicles. Yep. Not selling it. Not spank material. Not spank material. Not for me. Not for you. Let me put it that way. Not for me. It might be for somebody else, but not for you.
Yeah that's why like if i'm with a guy and he uh some guys they they like being on top i think it's because they can get in deeper maybe or the they're just no i think it's actually more dominant i think it's worse i actually think missionary personally actually um inhibits you from getting in i think obviously doggy style is when you're going to get the most in. Oh, yeah. That's true. That's true. But, you know, if they sit back on their haunches a little bit, I know it's not the most comfortable position to be in. Not with your bad knees. It sucks. Yeah, it really sucks.
I'm sure you could come up with something to help with that, you know, different like sex furniture or whatever. We'll have to come up with the whole show, positions for different health conditions. Yeah. Hmm, that could work. No, when he sits back on his knees and I can see his abs, which I think is kind of sexy. Okay, I thought you were talking about me up to that point. Oh, I was talking about you. Abs, too.
Yeah, that's too yeah that's right abdomen well you have an abdomen yes so that that's kind of hot i mean not to mention when he's doing in that position like some there's a couple playmates that for whatever reason never come inside of me i'm thinking about one he always jerks off yeah that's and that's just his thing so that's fine as long as I know I've been with him quite a few times so I'm I'm very comfortable with that I'm trying to think did he at one time give you an anal cream pie I don't think so we've done anal but every think about it. Yeah, he pulls out and jerks off.
He always pulls out and jerks off. So either my back or my belly or on my face or, you know, which I think is hot. The chair behind you. Yeah, he's the one that gets the distance. We should call him Rocket Boy. Rocket Boy. Well, I was editing one video. I needed a still. There was a still. And again, he's on his haunches and he's jerking off, and the cum shot, it was like eight inches of cum. Oh, yeah, he launches it, yeah. Oh, yeah, then that was just like midstream, you know, there's a whole lot more. Come scud. Scud missile? Yeah, that's...
So, again, depends on your lover or determined i think is is that am i wrong in saying that no not at all it if there's so many determining factors that uh can influence a an interlude you know like what's your head going into it how horny are you did you have a bad day at work so there's things that could dampen it and modify it. But then you also have, you know, your lover's preferences, limitations, whatever. And you have to take that into account. So there's a little bit of jostling things around. Like there's certain guys I'm with I know they don't like whatever. So I don't do that.
Or I know they do like something, so I'm more intent to, you know. There's a lot of guys, I think like 99.9% of the guys love having their balls licked. Well, if they know they like having their balls licked, then I'm more apt to do that. So there's a little, you know, ebb and flow. You have to kind of, you have to be flexible. Yeah. See, now, I'll tell you what. Let's play the Fifty Shades commercial. Oh, sure. Go ahead. I'm going to play the commercial, but the newest issue should be out this week. Oh. Okay. I haven't even. I'm still not going to finish it up yet. Yeah, okay.
So it's basically going to be a fetish-based issue. I thought the last one had some fetish stuff in it, too. They all have a little bit. This is almost all fetish. Oh, really? So, yeah. What kind of move are you in? So, hold on. All right, hold on. Unlock your desires with Fifty Shades of Pleasure. Step into a world where passion knows no boundaries and desire dances in the shadows of your wildest fantasies. Fifty Shades of Pleasure is your ultimate digital destination, tailored exclusively for the adventurous swinger community.
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It does depend on your mood. I mean, if I'm in a more selfish mood, I just want to be blown. Right, exactly. But if it's a more passionate mode, if there's something more like, let's pretend I wanted to kiss you or something. Yeah, you're pretending now. Yeah, let's just keep pretending. You know, when I tell you, have a breath, man, then you know what we're going to have inter course. And you turn your head to dry heaves, and I know that you're really being romantic. Oh, the romance is just, oh, it's just so wonderful. It makes me shiver. Some women just don't appreciate how romantic I am.
Well, when I'm dry heaving, I'm telling you how romantic. I bought you a new razor blade so you can trim up around the mustache. I tired of the nubs. Yeah, get them down a little bit. You know. That's me like smoothing out my mustache here. Hey, she's almost Italian. But no, it's they're both great orgasms and honestly, I think my orgasms are stronger through oral than they are through intercourse. It's a different orgasm. I agree. I agree. As I've gotten older, my orgasms have changed. But yes, they are incredibly strong through oral. Incredibly strong. Yeah.
And again, we've talked about this before. but I think it's basically due to the fact that you get to just concentrate on whatever it is yeah you know if you want to just watch whoever it is sucking your dick and get off on that that's great if you want to get into a mental game of a fantasy that like oh my god i want to fantasize that you know this dragon is licking my ass and the knights are fighting a battle and the dwarfs from under the bridge have come and licking my balls. Whatever. I mean, it happens. I'm not saying that's weird. You're just saying that sounds weird.
I mean, you know, and they bow at the altar of Sir King Vince. Whatever. I'm just saying. Hypothetically. It's all possible. Who knows? Who knows? Well, you know what?
what if i'm like if i've been in um threesomes and foursomes and stuff i i pro if i do come and sometimes i don't because i'm distracted and that's i'm still having fun don't get me wrong but you know i'm i'm distracted and i'm trying to balance things and you know take care of this guy and that guy and um yeah chances are i may not come in a situation like that i can see that and it's not i mean it's not terrible i don't leave like oh i didn't get satisfied it's definitely not that at all i'm i'm more i guess i'm more focused on their pleasure and when they have an orgasm that's that actually is very gratifying for me very very satisfying for me it's kind of an ego boost it really is it's like I can make you do that I made you get that excited that you blew a load all over me sure I get it yeah it's kind of cool but you know sometimes if there's too many things going on and you're going to climb here and there's a little bit of you know it's almost like oh yeah it's always like twister like weird weird x-rated yeah you're sitting there yeah one dick here one dick there one dick thumping on my forehead another one you know you know you're sitting there, you know, I mean, not that I know, but.
Oh, no, you wouldn't know about that. No. But sometimes you get distracted and you're not really thinking about yourself because you're thinking about them. Sure. Yep. So, but yeah, no, I think, again, the intercourse part, you tend to want to be more passionate and, at least I do. There are plenty of people that are like, oh, I'm going to choke her. I'm going to smack her. That's just not our thing. I don't get it. Someone's making me feel good. I don't want to choke them and smack them. That's me, though. Those who do it, whatever, that's on you, man. I'm not critiquing how strange you are.
Um, but it's like, you know, people get to Prince Albert. Like my dick did nothing wrong to me. I'm not going to drive a nail through it. And the weird thing is the only guys with that had the Prince Albert that was relatively new. So I couldn't really, it, it was weird to suck on because you have this ball there And I had to be really careful because it was so new not to just latch on to it because it's right there. Sure. And I can't remember. I know I fucked him, but you know what? I don't think it added that much pleasure on my end. The playmate coming over Friday for me? Mm-hmm.
You know, she's got a big, big piercing through her clit and everything else. And, yeah, you have to take a different approach. Yeah. You know, it's almost like a boxing bag. You know, or you just grab that and I can just pull on that a little bit. Oh, yeah. I've done that. It's almost like fishing lures down there. Yeah, in some ways, I'm afraid I'm going to chip a tooth. Oh, yeah. No, seriously. Yeah, I'm not joking. Can you imagine that? He'd come up with... What happened? Were you eating candy? No, I'm a diabetic. I don't eat candy. Did someone punch you? No. So tell me what happened.
Clip piercing. Clip piercing? No, she... The doctor goes, never mind. Okay. It wasn't just one piercing she has down there. There's... Well, she's down to one. Oh, she is down to one. I think the last time we were with her, she had like three down there. Three or four or five, whatever. Oh, my God. When she walks, ching. Oh, here she comes, yeah. Can't go through the airport, you know. Oh, can you imagine? No, I can't. Oh, that'd be so funny but embarrassing. Because I know when I've had, like, medical procedures, they want me to take out all my piercings.
I only have a, you know, a belly ring. I don't have all the other gobbledy- Accoutrements. Accoutrements, yeah. And so it's like earrings and all that stuff comes out, and it's like, I'm so glad I just have one little thing. Un unscrew it. I'm done. But like hers are like. Well, that's, she had some procedures done. That's why she's down a lot. She had to take them all out. Right. And she just says, you know, it's just a pain in the ass putting them all back in. So she does put one back in. Like, I don't know. I know it's a little off topic.
Like with my belly ring, you have the hook that goes through your belly. Then the little ball has a little screw. Yeah, the little ball screws onto the end. It's the same thing for that. It goes through the hood or whatever. It comes out and you put the ball on the other end. I have such a hard time getting like my, screwing it on to my, you know, through my belly. That if I had to do it through my clit and all that, I'd be down. I, I, I, I'd have to have somebody do it for me. There's no way. Oh, there'd be no one volunteering to help you with that. Not to mention it gets so wet and slippery.
I'd be like, Oh, forget it. I don't even need this bug clip. Oh, look at this. This is, I can't get my fucking ring on my clit. I'd love to get her on the show one of these days and talk about piercings. Yeah, that would be interesting because that's one thing. It's always been, I like the allure of more piercings and I'd love to get other things pierced, but the maintenance, I can't be bothered. I mean, I have earrings in and they will be in for months until I get tired of them. Then I take them out because they get sore or whatever. Then I won't put earrings in for months.
So I really, the upkeep for like that kind of jewelry, I'm afraid I'd be negligent. I mean, I think it'll look cool. It'll look really cool. But I don't know. I don't think I'm mature enough to have genital piercings. Yeah. I forgot my phone and Wayne just called. Uh-oh. So, but anyway, yeah. But the orgasm was the topic of the show. The penetration or oral. Yeah, I mean, I do. Now, okay. What? Do we want to count toys as part of oral? No, toys is, well, it depends. Do the toys penetrate you? If they break the plane, then it's penetration.
If they stay outside, then it's not penetration, obviously. But, I mean, toys count. I mean, whether you insert them or don't insert them. Or, you know, like the rabbit is like the best of both worlds because part of it's on your clit, part of it gets inserted. That's kind of nice. Best of both worlds. Yeah, I mean, and I like the whole vibration thing. The whole, I get it. The whole, it feels good on the whole. But yeah, in that aspect, if there's going to be any kind of penetration from a toy, not from a human, vibration's got to be part of it.
Like, you know, those rubber dildos, like I said before, it doesn't do anything for me. We even had that one glass dildo. It looks so cool because it was icy. You need vibration or movement. I looked at that and I'm like, what? This is, yeah, it didn't do anything for me. It's a shame because so many people like swear by it. I'm like, oh, everybody's into something different. Yeah, that's true. You know. I mean... I need a little bit more. I mean, to Aborigines midgets, I mean, that's big deal. Yeah, but that's just you because you were just, you know, you're just so far out there.
I'm like that. Yeah. So, okay, for you, it's the same thing. No insertion. No. When you are fucking somebody. Yes, okay, thank you. So you have the same thing I'm having, the oral that you get from another woman sucking your dick, that oral orgasm is more powerful than if you're fucking her. Yes. Yeah, me too. Me too, it's the same thing. Yeah. I'd much rather, especially to sage with back pain, knee pain, hip pain, I'd much rather just give each other oral and surpass the penetration. Yeah.
Because penetration, I mean, don't get me wrong, I last even longer, which is not, you know, you even bitch about how long it takes me to come just through oral. Oh, yeah. I mean, getting you into that is a big game. Yeah, but when I'm doing penetration and, you know, the moving and shaking that goes on there, you know, it's like back hurts more, my knees hurt more, my hips hurt more. It's like, so I'm now battling that pain. Right. And trying to stay in the game. Right. You need into that what you want. No, I get it.
That's probably why I like being on top with guys because I can get into positions that are more suitable for me. That's why I like the, if I'm going to do penetration, I do like the reverse cowgirl with that, once my shoulder gets better, of course. With the bar. With the bar, yeah, the trapeze bar. That was wonderful. I love that. It, I love that. Yeah. It was cool because... Be more of that coming soon. Oh, I hope so. Yeah. I really like doing that. You know, and it's something you can control how deep he goes into you, which is always good.
Because sometimes, for me, sometimes I want it in deep, but sometimes I don't. So if I had that control, I can, I can control how much sensation I get or, you know, back off a little bit if I need more, you know, needs another kind of stimulation, let's say, instead of just all vaginal. Yeah. So. I think we killed this one. Oh, okay. Then can I plug my stuff? Oh, sure. Okay, finally. You can see what I'm doing and who I'm doing at hotwifedonnalyn.com.
It's actually a splash page with all the links of everything I'm doing, including this podcast and a link to the magazine, 50 Shades of Pleasure. But everything is there. So check out, see what I'm doing, who I'm doing, and what I'm doing. And I'll have some fun. Yeah. Yay. Sounds good. All right. Are you ready to sign off there, dear? I'm signing off. Okay, you're signing off. Have a great night, everybody.