The Awakening of Ellie and Sterling

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Speaker1: Welcome to the Hot Wife Podcast, where we dive into discussions about relationships, intimacy, and everything in between. Before we begin, we want to make it clear that the views expressed on this podcast are solely those of the host and guests, and should be taken as opinions, not professional or medical advice. Additionally, we remind all listeners that this podcast is intended for adults over the age of 18. Unauthorized rebroadcast of this show is strictly prohibited without the written permission of the owners of Hot Wife Podcast. Now, let's heat things up. Hello everybody, this is Donna Lynn, and welcome to my Hot White Podcast. Of course, I'm here with my wonderful husband, Vince, again. Again. And this is going to be a special show because we do have a very lovely couple here with us today. And I'm going to introduce them. It's Ellie and Sterling. A little intro here. Ellie is kind of new to the swinger world and she's been telling us about some of her exploits and they've been very hot. Well, she hasn't told us all of them. No, not all of them. So there's going to be a lot more. We're going to get into where she's come from. with actually... Yeah, it's the whole background....super vanilla life to just starting to dabble. So guys, say hello. You got to speak up. Hello, everybody. Hi, everyone. Oh, there you go. That's what I was looking for. Ellie and Sterling here. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. So Ellie, you know, you were telling us a little bit about your background. I think that's really kind of the intriguing part for me, the world that you came from and then the world you're experiencing now. So you came from a very vanilla... Oh, my goodness. Please tell us about that. I don't want to bore everyone, but yes. Unfortunately, I'm on my second very vanilla, boring marriages, and I felt very unfulfilled and very unsatisfied of- Not to me, though. No. Oh, God. No. I thought you meant the background. I'm sorry. Yeah, just the background. Okay, we're doing background, right? So, yeah. So, I just, it was very sad because I never went into my marriages thinking that I was going to have this experience, but over time, the pressures of life and having children, it just became this very sad existence. And I just wanted so much more. And I thought, I'm stuck. What am I going to do? Well, you told us, I don't know, it's the first husband or the second one that just, you gave him a, you were going to give him a blowjob. He said, yo, you don't need to do that anymore. Said no man ever, except for apparently you're. Okay. Let me intervene. Okay. We got to, you know, take an experiment. You have to have a... Oh, a control group? A control factor. I can volunteer as a control. That's where I'm going. You have to get the microphone closer to you. Yes, I can volunteer as a control if we need a control for this. Does she give a blowjob you could do without? Simply amazing. No, I cannot do without. That is incredible. Oh, okay. You've had more than one blowjob in your life? Yes, I have. And there was definitely some talent there this young lady possesses that's been buried for years. Oh, okay. Well, your husband, what the, whatever. Don't give me a blowjob. No, we can't have that. Even a bad blowjob is better than no blowjob. Well, no, there's teeth involved, you've said. There is no such thing as a blowjob. No, there's no such thing as a bad blowjob. No, that's not true. No, there's no such thing as a bad orgasm. Some are just better than others. Okay, that I agree with. There are some bad blowjobs. Remember you said there was one girl, you doing teeth on you, you're like, fuck that, I don't I don't want to touch my dick ever. Take those teeth out. Take those teeth out. We're good with that. No vampire blowjobs, please. So we're from upstate New York, not down South Carolina. Oh, okay. That makes a lot of sense. Oh, my God. Anyway, so your insane husbands didn't want blowjobs. Basically, yeah. Let me paint the picture first. Okay. One thing we have to back up. Okay, back up. I'm not going to talk about Sterling. He's just not my kind. Okay. Ellie is a gorgeous woman. Incredible body. Yes. Beautiful blonde with long legs. Did I mention incredible body? Only a little bit. I think you should go more in depth with that. I'd go as deep as I could go. I think this is tongue will let him. Not much, but as close as I can get with that bear spray she carries. The bear spray. She doesn't use hair spray. She uses bear spray. Yeah, I can hear her already. Yes. Well, thank you. I appreciate the compliment. It feels great to be described that way. But yeah, so unfortunately, my relationship didn't allow me to express the energy that I've always had since I was a teenager. I've had this sexual energy, this libido ever since I could remember, and I just never met anybody that matched that energy. And so my two marriages were just probably by my own fault. I just, it wasn't enough. It was just never enough. And I decided to focus myself on my kids and my family and just that life and never having that in my life. And it was just, it got to be horrible. So anyways, maybe six years ago, he moved out and I said, I was alone for a very long time. And my one friend, her name will, you know, she'll be. Nameless. Nameless, okay. She's like, you have to get back out there. You have to get back out there. Back on the saddle. Get back in the saddle, whatever. Hi, my name is Saddle. Hello. I met this wonderful man we'll call Sterling. And he has just matched every single level of every fantasy I've ever met, ever wanted. And I'm so happy. I'm so very happy. Just letting you know, you're not a freak, right? You're not, it's not, your libido is high. You have a certain energy and you needed the right person that could fulfill that energy and that's the biggest thing yeah and even with my best girlfriends who have had you know for 35 years i would say something about like oh my god can you imagine doing this and they looked at me like oh my god i just want my husband to get on me and get off me and tell me when he's done i thought oh i really am a fucking freak not even close No. I mean, it was terrible. So Sterling has been amazing. He's, I've kind of coined our very short relationship as my awakening, because now I feel like I'm with somebody that will never make me feel like it's wrong. Never say no. Never tell me that this is not a good idea, or, you know, I couldn't do this, or whatever. Opening up new doors for you? Yeah. New experiences? Oh, yeah. Expressing your new sexual identity. We're probably going to get people right into us. Does she have a sister? Yeah. I always wanted a sister. But no, I don't. So what kind of things do you tell our audience? What kind of things have you been experiencing lately? I know you've told us off air, but tell our listeners, you know, all the different little, briefly, a little escapades you've been to, like the new beaches. What are some of the newest boundaries? Oh, newest boundaries, okay. Okay. That you've crossed. Oh. Well, why don't you tell them about the first thing? Had you never been to a nude beach before? Oh, no. You see? Never. Never in a million years would I ever have imagined taking my clothes off on a public beach. It is so exhilarating. So how long did it take you finally when you got to the beach to take your clothes off? About 30 seconds. 30 seconds. And she has a body that should never wear clothes. I could not agree more. So she took to it like a fish in water. If she walks into a clothes store, they go, sorry, ma'am. Yeah. Not allowed in here. You should be naked all the time. I was extremely proud of her. And she, clothes came off. She looked around at her audience. My competition. Your competition. Thank you. I was very nervous. I had never done that. And I packed multiple bathing suits thinking, I could never do this. I'm just going to maybe be topless, but I'd never be bottomless. And then I walked out on the sand and I looked around and I said, I got this. And she certainly did. I took it all off. Came in a couple days at a nude beach in New Jersey. And then from there, I asked her. Well, on the beach in New Jersey, I looked around and I said, you know what? Nobody cares. Nobody even cares. Nobody cares. Yeah. After the first 30 seconds, nobody cares. Nobody's like gawking at you because it's natural. How about it? Was it freeing or not? Going in the water? Oh, exhilarating. So freeing. I was behind the dunes of binoculars. Yeah. The only thing I had on was a belly chain. That is. So she wasn't completely nude. She didn't have a belly chain. Well, I did wear my belly chain. I find belly chains incredibly erotic. Yes. On me or on her? Oh, you, Sterling, of course. He loved it. Ankle chains and belly chains I find very erotic. Very erotic. Yeah, that's all I had on. And it certainly was. And I had two toe rings on. I don't have any piercings or tattoos, so I felt very bare. I just felt like I had nothing on other than my belly chain. Well, on a new beach, that's kind of the thing. Yeah, I did. Well, I was very proud of her, and she took the Like a fish to water. And you had to lay on your stomach the whole time. We actually played ring toss on the beach. I was going to say. Actually, it was a problem for me to come out of the water at certain points in time. And she mocked me. But it's okay. They used me as a buoy to try to rescue the drowning swimmers. So where did we go from there? So then once I got my feet wet, I had a little bit more confidence. I needed that confidence. Confidence Booster. We talked about maybe going to a... A mirror should be all you need. A little nude campsite, which seemed like a lot of fun. And I thought, I could never do that. Of course, it was like, woo, this is great. So we went up to the Poconos. And we camped. We camped. Huge nude pool. And how about it? There was hundreds of people running around naked. Oh my goodness. No problem at all. a long shot. It's weird just coming out of your tent in the morning like buck naked. You go brush your teeth and you go sit at the pool all day and have a couple drinks and it was no big deal. But she comes to this podcast fully clothed. Yeah, what's up? Well, it's getting chilly. Shut up, Donna. I'm just trying to put it in. I can't tell if my mic is, you know. So into that, we had a lot of fun at both times and you You actually became a convert, did you not? To the lifestyle? The naked lifestyle? Yeah, I mean, it's still kind of new. I mean, there's a lot of terms and things that I'm not familiar with. And I was trying to, you know, act like I didn't know what everyone was talking about. But honestly, like, once you're in this, you're submerged into this world, you start to, like, you gravitate to people that are like, don't think you're a freak anymore. And you can talk about these things. Like, what plug you like or whatever. All of a sudden you don't feel like a freaking freak. She was looking at you. He's got some big butt plugs. Put me in, coach. I thought you wanted a butt plug, Vince. Yeah, what's your favorite lube? I wanted a butt plugger. Oh, that's different. Also, we've met people. They would talk about different places to go and where they liked and what clubs they liked. It was just pretty interesting how went from there. And for me, myself, it just was enlightening as well. Yeah. So at this point, basically you've experienced the nudist lifestyle. Yes. Correct. Okay. Yeah. Being in public without clothes on is, I highly recommend it. Okay. I mean, anybody that can should, even if you have kids or whatever, just find a place to do it because it is for so many years of pushing that down and pushing that down and pushing that down. Repressing. That feeling like I could, even my best girlfriend, who I adore and I've known for, God, we've been friends for 40 years, said, oh, God, nobody wants to see this body. Why would you do that? And I was like, meaning herself. But I was thinking about me thinking, I love it. But now I feel even more like I can't talk about it. So I had to find the people that accepted and wanted to be in that world with me. And that's where I am. And I, and I'm very new to this. Speaking for all straight men, we appreciate you being naked. Sterling has been instrumental in my induction of this world and has made me feel very safe. And we're just figuring it out. I want you to feel empowered, beautiful, body positivity. You're working your ass off as far as your crunches and fitness and taking care of yourself. Yeah, exactly. Tanning and looking fantastic. So, show off. Enjoy. I don't say this to every beautiful woman, but if you play your cards right, you can have me. Really? With not too much of a fight? Yeah, well, he might resist a little bit. He loves that struggle. It's exciting. I don't want to do a background check. So, from there, what else have we done since there? Oh, my gosh. That might be for another podcast, but anyway. We could just tease it at least. Really? Because I know you're on limited time tonight. Yeah, so we went from camping to a really cool place in Pennsylvania that allowed not only not clothed people, but people that were swingers and people that were. So it just coincided with something else we had to do that weekend. And we went in and I was terrified. And it was our first swing club. It was our very first. And I was terrified. I brought, you know, 37 outfits and maybe 20 pairs of shoes. And I'm sweating. We drove by it before we even had to be there. And it was like all these cool things. It's cool to me because it was new to me. But it was like, you can't get there before 8 o'clock. You have to be in by 11. And then we locked the doors down. And it was just like this cool vibe that I was with people that got it. Right, right. And how was it for you the first time you walked to a booth? I loved it. Okay. So you went into a swing club? in front of all these people, and nobody's going to care. I mean, they're just going to think I'm one of them. Can you get the mic closer to me? Yeah, we don't want to miss out all the juicy stuff. You might want to put it between your legs. Yeah, baby. Does it vibrate? My name is Mike. Put the mic between your legs. Would you agree? Absolutely. At first, we did not know what to expect. We first walked in there, and truth be told, you bring your booze. There's no alcohol there. You bring your booze. and you check it in. And I'm taking in the room itself. She's sitting next to me. I'm like, don't leave me. Don't leave me alone. You might be eating alive, Ellie. Mesh, white bathing suit. I had a white pearl collar on. Wicked Weasel. A Wicked Weasel. Mesh top. Beautiful white. I mean, these are triangles that are smaller than my palm, right? So I'm like, I have nothing between me and the world that I'm about to delve into. So I'm taking, We're sitting there looking beautiful. We're sitting at the table, grab our first drink. I'm just taking everything in, just absorbing in this whole thing. And all of a sudden, one hit of her drink, Miss Bubbly here is, let's go, let's go for a tour. So she was like, again, a fish to water. She took right in. We went for a tour of the different rooms, little different playrooms. I'll let you explain. So that was cool. So when you first get in there, and again, this is my first time. And you get a tour guide. He's gorgeous. I mean, his wife works there. We met her too. And he takes us around to all these rooms and explains the rules, which I, I'm a rule follower. So I'm really good with rules. I follow the rules. And he said, you know, when no's no. And when there's a chain, you don't go past the chain. And we have this like, um, St. Andrew's cross room. One of those saints. I have so much experience with that. Um, but there's like a neon room and there's a glow room. There's a, you know, Olympic size hot and there's a huge bar and a dance floor and pools. Is a hot tub an Olympic event? It could be. It should be. I miss my sport. And a glory hole room. A glory hole room. So we get the full tour of the whole place. And it was really a sensory overload because you actually, Sterling, were more nervous than I was. Yes, I was. There's no doubt about it. I just wasn't quite sure of everything. But she exuded such a confidence and such an energy she put off. It was just incredible And you made me feel confident And safe And that's my whole thing And you pretty much said I got this And then we just Went through our tour We watched the people We watched what was going on More of a voyeur For at first Yeah I'm a total voyeur So I was like I'm all about watching There was one room That was a glow room It was very cool Black light room Oh yeah With a white bikini Yeah anything And with her Her suit It just It just resonated It was amazing How So the way it works is there's seven rooms. It's three floors. They put on a full dinner. We didn't even go into the dining room. But anyway, you get the full dinner with it. And they said, so the rule is, again, I'm very new to this. But when you get to a room where you have an opportunity to get to a room, you have sex in that room, you have to pull the sheets back. And then they come in and change the sheets quick. And then it becomes another available room. So that's new to me. Oh, yeah. You don't want to be dancing someone else's spooge. We're waiting for a room to become available. So we get a room. We're in a room that has all these windows. And this open door. And we have the chain across. And we're pulling around. And so I think I was going down on you. I somehow got hard. Somehow I got hard. And somebody wanted to take care of the problem. And we were just feeling like energy and sexy. They're giving people. They're giving. We're already giving. We're already giving. She was very enthusiastic about helping out. to solve the problem, which was... And you remember, like, I didn't have that in my life. So I'm the guy that's totally willing to get my, you know, freak on. So we're on the bed. She was flying a freak flag high. I see that. That's great. We're on the bed, and I'm, like, he's, like, on the bed, like a typical, and I'm at the foot of the bed. Yes. So all of a sudden, he whispers in my ear, like, all these people are lined up at the door watching us. And I went, I was, like, in the Cindy Like, I can't do this anymore. And he's like, it's good. It's good. They like it. I was like, okay, good. But I didn't have to see them, which is cool because I was looking at him and we were... We fucking got this. We fucking got this. Sterling's like this doing a whole thumbs up to the people watching. There's people in the window watching. There's people in the door watching. And that blonde hair was bobbing up and down. So my question is, were you wearing a thong or anything at this point while your ass is Facing the crowd? So I had hot pants on. I had white hot pants on, which looked really cool with the blue light that was in there. I had high heels on, so my heels were facing them. And then I think I had my... The white bikini that time. Yeah. Or maybe that was off and I just had the pearl necklace on. I can't remember. It doesn't matter. You're about to get a pearl necklace. Exactly. So what was weird was there was like either pictures or mirrors in the room that I could look and see them looking at which made it even hotter. Yeah. Because I didn't have to actually face them. I was just seeing his face and seeing him look at them which was really cool because it was like. It was very cool. So we I guess we finished up in there and then we were walking around and got a drink. We got a drink back to the bar and we bring your own stuff and then we had a perfunctatory wardrobe change. Like you're walking me to the bathroom. I am not going to the bathroom by myself. So I think we had. Another wardrobe change. Four outfits with us? Yes. So we waited outside the bathroom and then I got this like black beautiful thing he bought me. I don't even know what it is. It's like very tight black dress. And then different change of heels. And we went to another room. We tried to get in another room. So ultimately I could go on and on. But we ended up in the. The third wardrobe. Tell me the third wardrobe. The third wardrobe change. Okay. Where you had the choker on. Oh yeah. That was the third one. It was another black outfit, right? Yes. So it's a really pretty thing that Sterling bought me. So it's like a basically like a halter maybe with a collar. And there's a clip from the collar to the bra. It's really hot. It's just like a little short. I think I have a thong on. There's a sheer dress, a sheer Wicked Weasel. Oh, right. So like a little shorty dress. And then this cool, like, it's not even a bra. There's nothing. It's just like a... Open. Open. And then there's this... Okay, so you have a little skirt, but it has a little chain. There's a chain that goes up the middle. I don't know if it's velvet or something. Okay, velvet in the middle. Choker. Okay, so your boobs are exposed. Totally exposed. Yeah, the sheer thing, no panties, no... No, I think I'm on another planet because I'm like... So you're wearing like an apron with a string that goes up your neck. Piece of dental floss. That's amazing. That's about it. And how much did you spend for that? It didn't matter. It was well worth it. We made it to the buffet, I'll tell you that. We had our own buffet. That's a whole other story. So go ahead. We wanted to go into two rooms. There were seven rooms total. We wanted to get the glow room. We wanted to get the glow room. It was like booked all night. Oh, no. She changed. Never made it in there. And then the last one, and there was a lot of people milling around at this point because what I didn't say is that, so you have to be in there by 11. Doors closed. No more people in. Oh, wow. And you can party in any room you want to until 2 or 3 a.m.? 3 in the morning. 3 in the morning. Oh, dear God. So I go to bed at home at like 9 o'clock. I go to bed at like 10, 10.30. I can't do this until 3 o'clock in the morning. But then after 3, you can sleep overnight. And we were like, man. You take one of the rooms. That's not it. You sleep there. So we decided not to do it. I was like, no, let's go back to the hotel. But anyway. All right. So we get to the room that we wanted to get in. And it's like black and red and lots of chains. And there's things hanging down from the ceiling. I look over and there's this giant cross. It was a St. Andrew's cross. I've never seen anything like this in my life. So of course, we're like, woohoo! But I will say, from a sexual standpoint, it's not very convenient. It was kind of high up. So you have to be like, it almost would be better if it was totally I could lay on him or he could lay on me but it was like straight up it is straight up it is straight up so I get the restraint thing and I just saw something online recently that when you're restrained and I'm a nurse so like I get this it's when you feel like you can't fight back that fight or flight thing that all your senses become even heightened so it was almost like being blindfolded like you're ready to punch the fuck out of anybody that comes near you because you You can't see anything. Right. But if you can't, like if you're restrained, like all your senses become. That's, yeah, I love being restrained. And I love that whole, that thing of like struggling to touch or do something to somebody else, but I can't. And I find that more titillating because I can't do it. That's why. Yeah. That chemical that your brain releases is what makes it so sexually heightened. Ooh. So it was very cool. I knew there was something about that. So this room here, we did not have the door open. There was no chain. It was either open all the way or closed. But Ellie did volunteer. She said, hey, we're here. Why not? Strap me in. So we put her in the St. Andrew's Cross strapped up. So it's like arms up over your head, two collars. And your legs were spread wide open. But then I was trying to kiss him and I'm like, I can't get to you. I can't get to you. But it was kind of cool. It was kind of cool. I've never been in that situation. Ever. That's what she's telling me now. Yeah, that's what she's telling me. Ellie, you're back, you're back. Her name's carved in the cross for a good time call. She walks in, they're like, Ellie. Oh, I've never been here. There's notches all over the place. Somebody else that looks like me has the same name. Yeah, that was pretty amazing. So then we took her out of the cross and she strapped me in the cross. You don't have to feel this. It's pretty cool. I was being fellated on the cross. Oh. Is that a word? Yes. Yes. It's something when you blow up an animal. Yeah. Balloons. I'm going to fellate this. No, fellate. We were having a fellatio on it. Okay, so at this point, you have only been an exhibitionist. A nudist and an exhibitionist. Correct. A very private exhibitionist. Like, I was never allowed to express that in my life. No, but I'm saying you've progressed to this point. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Okay. So you haven't actually put your foot in the pond yet of Swinger. Never, never. Uh, we went to a party in North Jersey about two months ago. And, um, just after a couple of tequila shots, um, somebody said kiss her and I kissed her. And that was the extent of my, you know, going out of my boundary that I always felt suffocated. that I would never have dreamed of kissing a girl. Never in a million years. And it was like, you know, I wasn't attracted to her, but it happened and I did it. And I was like, wow, I didn't die. It was kind of nice. And I think everybody that was watching enjoyed it. Like, it was just like, oh my God, I can actually talk about this. And it was cool. Okay. It was cool. So you've never had inclinations to be with a woman before? Never. Okay. That's what's wrong with that. I will say... I mean, lots of women have had no inclination to be with me. Well. Well. And then they changed their mind. Well, I've converted more girls to lesbianism. Shut up. No, I think it's just the suppression. You know, like I've had, like I said at the beginning of this, is that I've had this libido. I was, even had a libido. 16, 18, whatever it was. And I never dreamed of kissing a girl. I lived in a very consistent neighborhood. My friends are very conservative. And I thought, I wouldn't dream of kissing a girl. They'd think I was gay. And not that that's a bad thing. It just wasn't for me. Or at least I didn't think it was. And it's more, now I feel. Get closer to the mic. Yeah, we don't hear all the hot stuff. Oh, sorry. So, yeah, I feel like it's, I'm not ruling it out, but at the same time, I feel like I want to be with Sterling, but I feel like if that would give him some joy, I would enjoy watching that. Thank you. So I'm the voyeur. I'm first and foremost the voyeur. Sure. Um, I don't want to share him with anybody ever, but if he got some joy out of that or, you know, sexual pleasure out of that, I would be okay with that. I just don't necessarily want. What if he said he wanted to see you with somebody? Ooh. We talked about that too. I mean, I, I, I'm still, I mean, I'm so new at this. It would have to be in the moment. It would have to be the right people. I just, you know, I'm very into it. We're still dipping our toes in the water. Just take it on right now. It's very, very new. But I love the opportunity to think about that, for sure. Okay. So here's the $50 question. Ooh. So, you know, you've been stifled most of your life. Uh-huh. What is your sexual fantasy that you would love to fulfill? I don't think the podcast is long enough. Donna's here. Donna's here. Don't say be with me. We'll take that as the default answer. It's obvious that's there, but besides that. Um, geez, gosh, that's really put me on the spot here. Um, I think we had a interaction, uh, recently that was, um, we were on vacation and, you know, we'd love to tell each other in each other's ears about like, you know, the hottest moment that we would want to do. But, um, I think, I think maybe it would be us being together and then you having other men come in the room and just either talk to me or touch me or be close enough to me that they could feel our heat and that's like for me that's hot i don't necessarily need to be with another man um at least that's how i feel right now i just but that would be cool to have people watch and that's that's my thing i mean i just there's a wrong answer yeah yeah i just that would be so we did just go back on vacation And we stayed at a beautiful resort down in St. Martin. And we wound up, it was a clothing optional facility. Nice. Yeah, very nice. It was beautiful. There was only seven rooms. So he's on luggage. Yes. Well, you would think. You would think. We had so many suitcases. It was so crazy. Go down with one suitcase, go home with five. But the interesting part. And I brought bathing suits. The interesting part was there was only a couple of couples there. Only one couple that was really staying. The other couples were on the road. We wound up having sex in the pool. Well, they were having sex in the pool, and it was just a pretty wild experience. That was a first. First time ever. That was cool. Wound up having sex in the ocean, having sex in the beach. Wild, sexy outfits. That's a drink now, you know. Yeah, sex in the beach. I highly recommend it, by the way. But it was a pretty off-the-charts time away together. toes in the water a little further. Nice. And taking one step at a time. Yeah. Again, there's no agenda, no race. It's just, it's all part of the awakening. And we're having a lot of fun doing it. So that's why I named it The Awakening of William Sterling, because that's how it has felt, you know, for him as well, you know, unsatisfying relationships and feeling like, you know, I always say this is not a dress rehearsal. You know, we don't have much time on the earth. And why, Why would anyone say no? And what was your answer when I would ask you to try something or do something? Why not? Yeah. Well, I mean, when Don and I first got together, it was weird when for her. It was weird. Like, you know, I was a stripper and I've always been in a sexual environment when we started, you know, swinging and seeing him with somebody else and, you know, me with somebody else. It was a little weird. It was a little weird. And the woman felt that way, too. That's a whole other story, hon. That's a whole other story. Another glass of wine. There's still a therapy. I touch two? But once you got through that and realized that, oh, if he's going to be messing around with somebody else, that doesn't mean he loves her. Right. There's a separation, as we said. Yeah, there's a separation between sex and love. And you can love somebody without having sex. and you can have sex with somebody and not love them. Right. And there's a very fine line, I think, between that division because I think that's what I struggle with is that, you know, I said to him the other night, I said, I would feel like I was cheating on you. We'll be cheating if you didn't tell him. If you do it together, you can't possibly cheat. I like that. I like that. If Vince says, I want to see you fuck a big black eye and I'll be like, okay, would I be cheating? No, he's the one. He's the one who's into it. She can't deliver this delicately. She's just like, you know, here's an atomic bomb. He's the one that's like, I want to see the big, big dick. You know, the bigger the dicks I'm with, you like that. You told me that. Yes, you have. No, I want to see you fuck a little needle dick. I want to see you so unsatisfied. I want to see a guy who premature ejaculation. I want him to come in his pants before he gets here. And then he can't get hurt and he has like a half inch cock. Really? Come on. Let's think about this. Anyway. No. It's like, duh. It's like, I want a guy with like rotting teeth, horrible breath, hasn't bathed in here. So much pubic hair, you could crash a plane into it. You have to sort through the pubic hair to find his little dick. That'd be so hot, Donna. We went to that party. Yeah, it was terrible. It was awful. I'm sure you guys have stories. Woo! That's why I have a podcast. Yeah, there's so many stories. But no, like, because I find it arousing, like, one of the things I ask her that she does sometimes, like, when she goes on a hot date, send me pictures during, throughout the date, and the fucking, tease me. Nice. Oh, my goodness. Show me how hot, you know. I did the last time. But then I get a picture like, oh. This is what we had for dinner. Oh, look, here I am at my car. I'm leaving. I fucked him already. It's like, oh, yeah, that was hot. Yeah. Okay, we are not there yet. So how about the Friday night? What happened Friday night? Oh, my goodness. So I came over, you know, I have my kids every other weekend. So I came over and we had plans to go to dinner. And we were getting ready for another event the next day. And he brings me this amazing place. We have a wonderful, We were kind of getting revved up and now I'm horny as hell because I haven't seen him all week. How do you think I feel? I haven't seen him in weeks. He's so horny. So there's this great band and they're local. I won't say who they are, but unless you want me to, but I, so I'm like, come on, let's go dance. Let's go stand up. You know, so I have a dress, like a sundress on. Yep. No bra, no underwear. As it should. I don't think I even own a bra or underwear. As it should be, nor should you. I love to be in heels. So we're standing there and he's behind me and I feel his hand go like up the back of my thigh to my butt. Because I can. We've not even had sex yet. So I was like, oh my God, I can't wait to get him home. So I'm feeling your bare ass. I'm sliding my hand around your chest. I'm behind you. You take your hand on top of mine and pull it to you. I'm like, okay, so now he's grabbing my breast and I'm like, okay, when is this? I was massaging. That's not, that's just kidding. It was a massage. It wasn't a grab. Breast massages are so nice. If you didn't know that, I'm sure you do. So now we've, the band's amazing. We listened to like four more songs. We're walking out to the truck and he, he's such a gentleman. He always opens my door. Did he lift you up? It was one finger. Wait, wait for it. I wasn't bowling. We were bowling. Go ahead. So he opens my door and I try to get my butt up into the seat. Literally pulls my dress off and goes down on me. And I was like, oh my God, we're going to do this right here. There's all these people, the band's going on. I'm sure there's cameras everywhere. It was the hottest thing. Oh my God. She goes, wait, what? I guess we're doing this. And then what happened? He is at least. Shoves me in the car. He goes around to the other side. My dress is already off. My shoes, I don't even know where they went. And I just know that my butt was on the console and I was holding my hands up on the, you know, the things that you lift up to get into the car. Oh, yeah, the old shit hands. She was levitating across the front seat while I was going down on her. That went on for a while. And then, you know, I think we just came to. Oh, you were riding me. No, you were riding me in the front seat. You forgot that. How soon did she forgets that? No, I wasn't forgetting. I was just probably delirious from what I had. I was trying to get the blood back in my head. They had blood in his head. I did, as a matter of fact. So, straddled you in the driver's seat. That was amazing. And then, I don't know, I don't even know how it resolved. What were you wearing on the way home? Nothing. Nothing. Literally nothing. And I'm like, if we get stopped, this is going to be a problem. No, I think that would get you out of a ticket. I don't even know where my dress is or my shoes. It's hanging on the antenna. Probably. Along with your shoes. So we get home and we pull around some more at home. Well, you came in the house totally naked, got out of the house totally naked. I mean, his daughters live in town. So I'm thinking, oh my gosh, okay, wait, all right, let's get inside. Now we're in bed. And I said, oh my gosh, Julie, I can't find my shoe. There's only one shoe in that. It's like a little cowboy boot shoe. I can't find my shoe. Like, it's okay. In the morning, we'll go back and get your shoe. So we go back to the bar in the morning. They're like, you left without your shoe? I'm like, we left without my shoe. Did you find it? And they're like, no, we didn't find it. So anyways, we ended up finding it. But it was just hysterical because it was like, it was like, like all the clothes came off. We drove home naked. It was just, it was so much fun. You were naked. I don't think Sterling was. Sterling, were you naked? No, there was no clothes on for me either. Oh, really? Oh my God. In for a penny, in for a pound. That's right. And she was in for a pounding. So, yeah. She's trying to use a stick shift. She's grabbing it. No, she was trying to drive the stick shift. I kept telling her, this is an automatic. I said, I think it's a stick shift. I think it's a stick shift, yeah. I'm driving. I'm heading towards overdrive. First, second. But anyways, all is well. The shoe was found. It was like, I don't know, the back of the cab or whatever. Probably found an orgasm or two along the way, too. But it was like thrown in the moment, and it was amazing. You probably found an orgasm along the way as well. Oh, yeah. takes care of me, for sure. That's the beginning of the awakening. That's the awakening of Ellie and Sterling. Wow. That's funny. That's awesome. I'm just happy we're going to have a good day at work. Oh, yeah. It's only gotten better. I mean, oh, my God. I actually keep a journal. Oh, you absolutely should. I do. I keep a journal. Because all this is so great. who didn't get a chance to experience this earlier, but I'm glad you got a chance to experience it now. Take advantage of it now. Yeah. That's why I said, you know, every day. People go through life and like, I always wanted to do X and they never do it because of, you know, family, friends thinking they're a freak or they're this. You shouldn't do that. That's not how mature adults behave. You know? Can you imagine not having oral for 20 years? No. That was my life. No, I would, I would. Oh, I've, I've given orgasms to women who've never had an orgasm. Yeah, I remember that. A woman who was married for 20-plus years, and she had never had an orgasm that she hadn't given to herself. Oh, that's you too, huh? No, there was no toys. I never had a vibrator until I was braided. Oh, my God. Now I have a little arsenal, we call it. Yeah, I have a battle kit. Battle kit, for sure. I was discouraged. I actually pull a trailer behind now with a 55-gallon lube. Oh, that's cool. You never... Harley B-twin vibrators, you know what I mean? Everything. Truck full of toys. Oh, yeah. That was considered like... When I used to bounce Donna's bachelor party, we had a jet bag. A duffel bag. Yeah. A duffel bag full. I'd be carrying a thing. One of them would go off. Yeah, get the switch regal. I was like, damn, that fucking thing. The Clam Rattler 5,000. Yeah. Well, here's the funny part was... We had an office that we were working out of at the time for doing the websites. And we had done a show the night before. So all her vibrators and dildos were in this kitchenette we had drying in the dish rack. My mom happened to stop by. She walked by the kitchenette and she goes, my mom walked by. She goes, I have some of those same ones. I was like, oh, no, my eyes. I'm scarred. That's fine for you. I'd rather have that response than be like, oh, my God. She was non-plus. It didn't even phase her. She's like, I've had a couple of them. No big deal. That's awesome. It wasn't like she said, I had the bigger one, but I mean, it was like, no biggie. I was so embarrassed. I was like, you know, double-headed dildos. You want to try the C model. Yeah, because I would use them so I'd wash them and I'd put them in the dish drink. Oh, my God. The drying rack. There are all these donuts. Ah, well. Ah, well. Yeah, that was something. So our adventure is continuing. I love it. The awakening is still in process and progress. And that's how it feels. I mean, I love. Well, you're open to new adventures. Yeah. Yeah. All right, let's bring out the trapeze. I've done that. Well, she's still young. Okay, yeah. She's more. I just have the safety equipment. Oh, yeah. The trampoline, the trapeze. Yeah, my safety net is sterling. It's making me feel safe. I'll take good care of you. Yes, one step at a time. Yeah, I mean, I'm very new at this, so it's just been fun, and I've loved the adventure so far, and travel planned, and we're on our way. Great. I love it. I love it. That's great. Do you foresee potentially swinging stuff? in your future? Baby steps. Yeah, I'd say potentially. Yeah, I mean, I guess. I mean, Sterling, would you, are you in the same nature that I am with, what's your name? Yeah, whatever my name is. Donna? Yes. I get great pleasure in seeing her give and receive. Oh, absolutely. I could not agree more. It gives me great pleasure to see and make sure you're pleasured. But I believe Ellie knows that. Yeah, Ellie, would you? Yeah. One of the things, and Donna is here to confirm it, when she plays with somebody else, afterwards we go after she de-louses. Yeah, I de-louse. To the car wash, typically. Yeah, he straps you to the top of the car and drives me through. I have the monthly membership, I have unlimited washing. He just says, lay there with your legs spread wide. But no, we play, it actually is added to our relationship. It's even made it more erotic. She's telling me what she enjoyed and I tell her how erotica was watching whatever. It's strengthened and made our relationship stronger. Yeah, it has definitely made it stronger. That's cool. As some people would say that might be. It's like, how can you love someone and just let them have sex with anybody else? Again, they're separating. They can't separate love and sex. That's usually the sticking point that they are so attached to. Sex means love and that's it. It's like, no, I can have sex with somebody and they're a fun playmate. I like them. I mean, but for me to have a relationship with them, not so much. They're fun to fuck. Let me tell you, they're fun to fuck. They're a lot of fun, but it's like, nope. At 65, do you want to have a relationship with a 22-year-old? No. No, but he's fun to fuck. He's fun to fuck. You know? No, no. But check back with us. Yeah, we'll have to have you guys on again for sure and see where this is. Oh, this is so much fun. Thank you for having us. Yes, thank you. I'm very excited to share the next chapter of where this goes. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm watching his hand go between her thighs. Sterling! I'm starting to hate him. You're such a horny boy. And she's not even like opening her legs to share. Yeah, she's like, nope. Just like, nope. Oh, well. I mean, if you had your hand between my thighs, I'd open up so they could see. I see, I know. You're just a giving kind of guy. He is. I try, I try. You know, he's just like, here. Just fondle my balls. I got arrested for that a few times. They said you can't do that at the bus stop. Oh, that's it. Okay. There we go. On that note. Yeah, we're going to wrap this up before this goes right into the toilet here. The new issue of 50ShadesOfPleasure.com is coming out. Check that out on the first. It's free still. It's a Halloween theme. Halloween theme, yeah. There you go. A lot of masks and other Halloween-ish things. Halloweeners. Hopefully they're full. Don't forget to check out Donna and who and what she's doing. Well, at hotwifedonlin.com and see who I'm sucking, fucking, getting screwed, glued and tattooed. I want to thank everyone for listening. And again, thanks. Our numbers are always increasing, which is very humbling. We appreciate that. So with that, we wish you all a great night and thank you too for coming on. Thanks for coming on, Alex. It's a pleasure being here. It's an absolute pleasure. We'll be back. We'll be back for sure. All right. I'll hold you to that. Okay. Have a good night, everybody. Have a good night. Good night, all. Stay horny.