A Conversation with J and L

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Speaker1: Welcome to the Hot Wife Podcast, where we dive into discussions about relationships, intimacy, and everything in between. Before we begin, we want to make it clear that the views expressed on this podcast are solely those of the host and guests, and should be taken as opinions, not professional or medical advice. Additionally, we remind all listeners that this podcast is intended for adults over the age of 18. Unauthorized rebroadcast of this show is strictly prohibited without the written permission of the owners of Hot Wife Podcast. Now, let's heat things up. I'm here with my ever-loving husband, Vince, who does all the dirty work. Sure. Sure. Someone's got to look at these pretty lights on this board. Oh, God. But at least tonight we have special guests, Jay and Elle, joining us. So that should be fun. Say hi, guys. I know you're all the way. Someplace. On the other side of the country. Somewhere in the Midwest. Yeah. We're not that far off. Just dead center in the middle. Oh, there you go. There you go. Something to be said about being in the middle. So, especially if there are two beautiful women on either side of you. Oh, you know what? That does sound pretty good. So you guys discovered our podcast more recently. Yeah, actually, I kind of just happened to stumble across it looking up podcasts on the subject and thought it was pretty interesting and listened to a couple episodes and thought, oh, it'd be kind of fun to go on there and talk to somebody. Sure. We appreciate it. I mean, usually it's just Vince and I, so it's nice having, you know, some more input. Well, we've heard a couple times where you did sound like you guys were lonely and I figured you could use companies. That's sweet. It's amazing when people are like, oh, we don't want to, you know, get found out. It's like, really? We're not, you know, as you guys know, we're not asking you for your real names. We're not asking you, you know, we will be giving out your bank routing number and account number later on. So keep listening to the end. Is that what you're trying to say? If you don't listen to the end, you won't be able to tap into their account. So not right. How long have you guys been in the lifestyle? Well, I mean, June, I guess. I mean, we had kind of done some swinging in the past like several, several years ago, like 12, 13 years ago. And that was kind of short lived, not for anything bad, just didn't work out fully. with the other couple. And then right about June kind of decided, well, we just kind of had a discussion about it. And my wife mentioned it. And I said, yeah, that's fine. Oh, that's now that's a unique one. Yeah. A lot of times women don't bring it up. No, usually they're the ones. I mean, they're the ones that kind of follow in, you know, the husband's like, Hey, this, I think we really hot if, and she'll be either into it or be like, Oh, I don't know. and kind of have to warm her up. Let me ask you this. We'll get into the dirty part real quick. Okay. What is, like, in our relationship, since I've been a photographer for a lot of years, I'm naturally a voyeur. And Donna was an exotic dancer for a lot of years, so she's an exhibitionist. So I enjoy watching Donna give and receive pleasure. What are you guys into? I mean, he hasn't, we haven't really, he hasn't watched too much of it. I mean, just kind of when we were doing some couples swapping, that's really the only time I think you've watched. Yeah. So far, we haven't got to that. Definitely want to. Yeah. Trying to set that up. Kind of working on that right now. It's just like scheduling anything. It's like it's easy for her to kind of be able to say, hey, I'm going to run out on like a Tuesday night and go hang out with somebody for a little bit and then come back. But for us to both be able to do something, it takes a little more scheduling. But we're kind of working on that. I mean, I would probably say I'm definitely the voyeur of the group. Okay. I'm fine with that. But okay, so you guys are into the hot dating. Yeah. Well, that was just kind of a thing that popped up a little after we kind of started swinging with the couple that's actually very close friends of ours. It just so happened that they're in a very similar relationship. And that kind of came up in discussion between my wife and her friend. And she told me about it. It was like, well, this sounds pretty cool. And I was like, Dad, sounds pretty cool to me. If that sounds like something you want to try out. I was like, you should try it out. Yeah. You know, the standard conversation with two couples, I have a great macaroni and cheese recipe and I'd like to see you fuck my wife. Oh, yeah. We don't have normal. I mean, we have some normal. are you saying our conversations that in the life of people in the lifestyle have or is abnormal i mean it's just normal for us we don't find them abnormal but some may some definitely we only know we only know a few other people we could have those conversations with we definitely don't bring them up at family reunions or anything it's more or less you'd have to be in west Virginia for that to be okay at a family reunion. Oh my god. So not right. So what would you say thus far, now you've only been in it for what, four or five months now, what's been the most erotic situation you've been in yet? There you go, that's a question for you, honey. I mean, really it's more, I kind of go out and do my own thing and then come home and tell him about it and then we do our own thing so when i said when i come home and tell him about it that's what turns him on so yeah that's probably kind of been most of it so far it's usually like i'm like if i'm asleep just wake me up like when you get home if i'm asleep do me a favor and wake me up because i'm going to hear about it and then i'll stay up for a little bit and then i'll go back to sleep i'm up and then i'll go and i'll go to sleep And then I go down and I go to sleep. Yeah, no, that's, I mean, Don and I. Yeah, that's really similar to some of the things we do. I go have my fun, my hot date. And then I come home and I, well, Vince always says I have to do louse first. Then I, then we have our fun. I don't want to sample exactly what you had for dinner. Not exactly, but that was dessert. Yeah, see, she always insists on doing that. I tell her sometimes when she walks through the door, she's like, I need to take I go, look, I'm going to be honest with you. I really don't care right now. I mean, if you want to, go for it, but don't do it on my behalf because you might want to shower afterwards too. Yeah, then there's that too, but that's okay. I'd rather Donna take two showers. I'll take two showers. It's his comfort level. I'm not too worried about it. I'm unapologetically a bit of a freak, so I fully admit to it. I'm like, look, I'm good with whatever. Yeah, that's fine. You got to work within your comfort zone, you know? Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah. But no, that's awesome. I mean, let me ask, we've talked about this on the show a few times. And, you know, Donna and I have been in the lifestyle for over 20 years. And do you feel that the way you guys are doing it adds to your relationship? I think it's definitely added to a lot. I think we talk better. We communicate better. We're way more open with things. Yeah. But I think it's made our sex life a lot better. Oh, yeah. That's definitely vastly improved. And yeah, I mean, yeah, we kind of I mean, we've always been pretty open and talking to each other pretty freely about everything. But we've had times where maybe one of us is a little more shut down than the other. But I'd say these last several months, we've been pretty kind of open and comfortable talking about anything. We've had a lot of fun, you know. I mean, it's one of those things where like, as much as it's kind of, sometimes you're bummed out, you have to like hide everything from everyone. Sometimes it's kind of funny if me and her out, we'll just be having a conversation on the side, outside of a group of people talking about stuff. And it's kind of like our little secret discussion, making comments. A little dirty secret. We have fun with it. Yeah, yeah. It's like sometimes you're just looking around at people going, fuck, you guys only knew what we were up to this weekend. Well, again, there's something that, you know, besides the swinging aspect, you know, Donna shoots content. And when she was when she was working in corporate America, you know, we'd be shooting content all weekend and what have you. And she going to work on Monday and they go, hey, Donna, how was your weekend? Yep. That's exactly it. I'm standing in like the cop, you know, getting my coffee. And so what'd you do this weekend? And I was like, in my head, like all these things are happening. I fucked this guy. I'm going to give this guy a blowjob. I've got a cream pie. I've got a giant facial. And my face has to be blank. It's like, oh, same old shit. But in my head, it's like, oh, if you only knew. Do you want to see the videos? Same old shit that I did last weekend or the weekend before that. God. That was great. That was fun because you did have that dirty little We've had a few times where the other couple that we swing with sometimes where they're like our really close friends anyway and there's been times we've went out with them or they've like went and hung out with other groups of like our friends and we're introducing them to our friends and it's kind of like a whole inside joke between the four of us we're making constant sexual jokes and innuendos and just kind of looking around at everybody and I swear there was one time where we definitely had a lot of to drink and I woke up the next day and I was like, I'm sure everyone we hung out with last night is wondering in their head if we're swingers because we might have got a little out of hand. I was like, there's definitely some people that suspect a few things. I was like, they may not know for sure, but they may suspect a few things. Yeah, you know, but it's becoming so much more mainstream, I think, than it ever has been. Yeah, I do think that, and that's like, there's actually a handful of people that kind of know about that and it's one of those things where everybody kind of is like you know they joke about it it's a little more mainstream and i'm not as worried about that but then like getting into anything else i'm like and i don't want to say it'd be hard to explain but i'm certainly sure there's some people to be like you mean you guys do what right right you let your wife do what which yeah you let your wife Yeah. And I mean, if anything, I mean, if somebody were to say something, I'd be like, well, you know, it's kind of like an open relationship. I was like, you know, some people do that. It's not a big deal. Yeah. I mean, I have the option. I could definitely go out and chase the rounds of girls. I just haven't yet. She keeps me busy enough at this point that I'm like, I don't know if I've got enough energy. Yeah. She brings it. I'm pretty good right now. She brings enough home that I get. More than what I was expecting. Yeah. But, you know, the interesting part that people don't understand about swingers is that we have a higher level of trust and honesty with our partners than regular people do. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know? I agree. That's why I feel like some of the guys get weirded out because they're like, wait, your husband knows about everything. And I'm like, I tell him everything. And they're like, wait, everything? I'm like, 100% of everything. Yeah. I will talk about them details if he wants to know. Oh, yeah. I mean, believe me, I'm like, I've only met one of them one time. And believe me, there was like a part of me that just I have a fucked up sense of humor. I was like, I kind of wanted to lean in and be like, it's okay, buddy. Don't feel awkward. I know everything. But I didn't do it because I was like, oh, man, that's going to really weird him out. Because he was a really nice guy. But you could tell like when he met me, he was very kind of uncomfortable. And he seemed a little like awkward about me. And I wanted to just kind of fuck around and make some jokes about it. But I was like, I don't want to make it. And we were fine. He hung out with us. It was all good. But yeah. Wait a minute. I need some clarification here. So you don't, Jay, you don't, you don't meet the playmates that, that Elle has before she goes and has her fun with them? No, I've only, I've met him the one time. That's been about it. Usually she kind of chats with him over the course of a period of time and will go meet him somewhere and kind of feels it out. Because, I mean, at this point, it's more or less the way she's met guys is just kind of more or less on a standard dating site. So these aren't there. There's been one or two that have been in this position before because she does let everyone know right up front. I'm happily married. This is all good. I'm not sneaking behind my husband's back. But most of them have been just like single guys. And there's one right now that will probably kind of all get together here eventually. Because he's been in this situation before with a married woman whose husband knew about it. And I think it even watched before. So I was like, well, that's cool then. Because there's a couple of them that they're like, I don't get this. And she's like, well, it is what it is. I mean, it's all good. And I'm going to tell them everything. Yeah. That's unusual. We, one of our rules is for Donna to play with someone solo that, um, I've had to meet them and they had to play in front of me because just a safety thing for us, you know, want to make sure, you know, um, and, uh, but once Donna has played with them, uh, one or two times, then they can go on hot dates. You know, once I know that everyone's cool and they understand, And our level of respect, you know, like, our two rules are Donna has to say, you know, if she says no, it's no. And two, no choking. We're not into the choking thing. So, and once guys understand that, then for the most part, you know. It's good to go. It's good to go, you know. But again, everyone has their own rules. We've talked about that on the show quite a few times. And, you know, there's no right or wrong. There's what you guys agree upon. What are the fantasies you want to fulfill yet, Elle? Definitely want to have another guy and my husband fuck me at the same time. That's number one. I mean, we've done the, you know, the two guys or the one girl or one guy and two girls. Like we've done that. And I'm just not super big on hooking up with other girls. Like, I'll make out and stuff. I just, I'm not really big on going down on girls. Like, I don't know. She's, she's done it. And I will say this for some who's not into it. I thought she did a fantastic job of it. She was, she was a hell of a team player for it, but you know, I'll do it. It's just, it's not my favorite thing. You know, like I would rather be the center of attention. Okay. Nothing wrong with that. I get that. I actually came up in a discussion a while back. She, she, kind of brought it up. And every now and then there's something your wife will say to you that kind of shocks you. And I remember during the conversation about it, she told me that she thought it would just be really hot to be getting fucked by one guy while choking on another guy's dick. And when she said that, I literally in my head thought, this is why I married this woman. I'm like, God damn, I love you for saying that. I've ever heard a woman say to me. Well, Elle, have you, do you do anal? That's a new favorite of hers. That's kind of come about quite quickly lately. No pun intended? All kinds of puns here. Okay, so then have you tried the DP yet? No, that's what I'm shooting for here. Okay, that's going to be part of it. Then the next step is her medically sealed. These are tall tales. You could get up to five penises on a woman at once if she's using both hands, too. So there's a possibility. There's room for growth. I don't think I need that. But you don't know what tomorrow holds. Maybe I'll get two and say that's just not enough. I need more. You know, I've seen these women online talking about, oh, I have four open holes. It's like, no, they have three. What they do is they take two in one hole. Oh, okay. I thought that was, you know. I had to figure out the math there. I had to figure it out. How do you fit all those? How do you position all that? I don't know. There's a lot of logistics involved. You know what the real problem is? Finding those guys that are all comfortable being that close to each other. Yeah. That's probably the biggest problem. Oh, that came up. Yeah, she asked me about that. She's like, would you feel weird about doing that? And I go, no. And she goes, but what if like your balls touch? I go, it's okay if your dick's in a woman, if two guys' balls touch. I said, that automatically makes it not gay. I said, that cancels out anything weird about it. You're like, yeah, sure, my balls touch in other guys, but my dick was in a woman. It doesn't count. Well, my first wife, we had a guy over, we did DP, and the rule was, if we fall out, she puts us back in. That way, you know, you don't go down there to grab it, to put it back in, and grab something that wasn't yours. Yeah, grab the other one. Sorry, I didn't mean to do that to everybody. You're a nice guy, but not that nice. I'm sorry, you know. But hey, whatever works for whoever, that's, you know, we're not judging. Yeah, that's definitely on the horizon. And I kind of figured I could kind of cancel out two things at once because I could just be like, look, buddy, you go ahead and start so I can watch for a minute. And then I'll just jump in and I'm like, there, I got two things done that I wanted to do. Check them off your list. And honestly, I'm going to say, yeah, and honestly, I kind of feel like it's kind of a good deal. I can be like, look, man, neither one of us got to do all the heavy lifting. If one of us needs to take a break and catch our breath, we're good for a minute. You know, you just step out and you're like, wow. If you took it and put different colors on different parts of her body and then used a twister spinner, okay, dick in green. Oh, that would be interesting. I'll be honest with you, that actually isn't a bad idea. I think I'm working on that one. I'll chat that down in my notebook later. I might have to work on that game now. Hello, patent bureau? Oh, yeah. Get up there quick. But so you guys have toyed with this then, like back and forth for years. Well, yeah, we started, we did a long time ago. It's just, it was my same friend, really, but she was in a different marriage. And she, I think she kind of used it as a way to try to save her marriage. And it did not, work that well he kind of her her husband got a little weird and we he wanted me to lie and i was like i'm not doing that like that's not we can't do that so things just got a little awkward with him and then eventually he kind of they split up and we did our own thing the three of us so yeah they they were just not a super compatible like the the husband she's married to now is yeah I mean, he's very similar to me. Like me and him get along great. We're like very similar in personality. And my wife also thinks he's a lot hotter because that's how I got brought up. She kind of mentioned to me a while back when before this started again, she goes, you know, I kind of got the short end of the stick. You know, I only got to fuck her ex-husband and her new husband's way hotter. And I think I even said to her then, I was like, you could probably fuck him. I think he's kind of into you. I mean, there was sexual tension leading up to us. actually talking about doing this I mean there was when she brought it up I was like kind of figure that was gonna happen sooner or later because we kind of had a history with the wife and they kind of joked around I mean we knew she's done she's done dating outside they've had an open marriage too so yeah she's kind of been doing kind of I guess more or less the hot wife thing for a while which was funny because when I brought up that there was a term for it her husband was like Yeah, I know what it is, too. Because my wife's like, I never heard that term before. I go, look, I'll be honest with you, I only knew it because I'd seen it pop up in porn clips, and I'd looked it up. And I didn't think about it when this even started, when she asked me about doing that. And I was like, it wasn't until a couple days later, I go, oh, yeah, she's kind of hot wife in here. I was like... No, a guy asked me if that's what I was doing, and I was like, I don't know what that means. I was like, I do, but I'm a filthy. So, I mean, I know a lot of random dirty terms. I mean, I'm an encyclopedia of inappropriate things. Urban Dictionary. Yeah, that's basically, yeah. The inappropriate Urban Dictionary. That's cool. So, you know, so you want to do, so L, you want to do multiple guys as your, one of your fantasies. Have you, have you ventured to, the interracial side yet? No, I'm just not into it. Okay, there's nothing wrong with it. I don't know. There's just something I'm like, I just can't. I don't know. Yeah, she hasn't gotten, like, I mean, I think it's more or less just, she's definitely got a type of guy she likes. Like, I see the guys, because she'll show me a picture, and I'm like, they all, I mean, which in a way, a lot of times, I'm like, I kind of look like that guy, so maybe I'm doing all right. Yeah. I mean, most of them have had beards. Okay. Yeah. Check that box. Apparently there's a beard thing going on. I don't know. Somewhat kind of country-ish looking, a little bit of a beard. Okay. I checked that box. Good-looking guy. But yeah, she kind of just, I mean, really when this started, she just kind of started her little anonymous profile. And I mean, it was basically, I think when she put it up, I think within 24 hours, There was like over 400 guys that had already liked it. And I mean, it was like cute pictures, but no pictures of her face. Just kind of well shot, kind of sexy, nothing too revealing because it was just a standard dating site. And her profile just kind of laid it out. I'm happily married. My husband knows about this. You know, shoot me a message. We can chat, see where things go. And I mean, like the next day she's like, I think I have like 435 people that already liked my profile. I was like, I was like, I go, I go, that's the thing though. That's, that's guys for you. Every guy is going to go, Oh, wait a minute. This is sweet. I'm going to go ahead and like this. Even a guy that's on there going, you know what? I'm going to find true love and a beautiful woman to marry. He's going to come across that. And he's going to go, you know what? I'll find love tomorrow. Yeah. I'll play with this. Yeah. As a guy who's tried it, I tried the same thing on a, Dating site, no bueno. There's not as many. The thing is, there's not as many girls looking for a guy that just wants to hook up, and the ones that are all have 450 guys in their legs right now. In the swinging world, a single woman is considered a unicorn. They're very rare if they exist at all. We talked about on the phone last night. The site we're on, is swinglifestyle.com. It's a great swinger site. Highly recommend it. But, you know, yeah, it's 95% of the emails we get, and we get a bunch every day, are all from single men. Single men, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, but, you know, the pond is full of single men, not as many single women. So the single women, you know, they get to pick And men are looking for, men are looking for no strings attached. And that's, I mean, kind of the perfect situation, you know, I'm not looking for any type of, you know, relationship and I don't need you to love me. Just use me. So yeah, yeah, pretty much. I didn't tell her though. I said, watch out. I said, at least half of these guys are going to kind of probably fall in love with you a little bit. I said, I'm just telling you, you're I was like don't I was like I was like they've all been they've all been very respectful very nice she's never had any issues with anyone getting weird about anything but I mean she's a very good judge of character and they've all been very cool and you know some of them have been just a one-time thing they may chat a few more times may not some of them have there's there's always been one or two that's like a repeat kind of she'll find one she really She's got one right now that's definitely the MVP. That's the one we're shooting. That's the one we're shooting. Oh, no. Yeah. If she gives out an all-star. He already said he would. So we're. If she's got an all-star 2025 award, it'll end up probably going to him. I mean, there's still a couple months left for somebody to take him out. But so far, she's like, nah, this one's a keeper for a minute. So, and he's the one that, yeah, he's kind of. Situations before. Yeah. And she also. She told me, she goes, I'm worried if I put the two of you together, you'd just ignore me. I go, all I got to do is whip out a teddy. I said, we'll both laser lock on it. Don't worry about it. You take off your pants, you're getting our attention. Okay, so tell me, this guy that's a superstar at the point, what makes him the superstar? Is it the looks? Is it the technique? Is it size? Is it a combination of things? What rocks your boat for him? It's probably several things because I have to like your personality. I have to get along with your personality. He's very much like us with our sense of humor of just like a dark, sarcastic, dirty sense of humor, I guess, really. So that is a big plus for me. But, I mean, otherwise, I would say he's pretty good-looking. I think he's good-looking. But, I mean, what caught my eye really is I like it when guys send me dick pics. I think it's fun. And I'll show my husband. I don't care. I'll be like, you want to send me a video, you jerking off? Go for it. But I'm probably going to show my husband. I've seen way too many dick pics for a heterosexual man. But when she tells me, I mean, when she goes, she goes, oh, I got a dick pic. You want to see it? I sit there and I go, ah, yeah, sure. Why not? I don't want to see what he's working with. I tell her all the time. I go, I go every now and then I go, damn, honey, that's pretty good. You're going to have fun with that. He has a pretty decent sized dick, but he's got a big head on it. And there is something about the big head on a dick that's really not We did a whole show about dick shapes and the big head, the big mushroom head. Just in the last couple weeks. Yeah. They're hard to find. You don't see too many guys with the big mushroom head, you know. Yeah. Yeah. He's definitely got that. He's apparently, from what I heard, too, he's definitely kind of a, he's kind of a filthy, too. He's a freak. Yeah. And she likes that. Okay. He'll try some wild shit once in a while. All right. She's into that. So now the truth starts to come out. It's a little dirty play. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I said, what are my hard limits? I don't want any piss play, shit play. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's go with that. That's hands down. I can't do an uncircumcised dick. They freak me out. I can't do it. She's definitely prejudiced and uncircumcised. I told her. I said, I said, that's not very nice. And she's like, I don't care. It's just one of my things. It is different. You don't want to unwrap the gift. I mean, Donna has dealt with them. It's not her favorite. Well, it's just a weird sensation. And you have that loose skin, which feels strange. But usually, not always, but a lot of times, once a dick gets really hard, all that loose skin is gone and is taken up by the hard dick. Yeah, I don't know. I like sucking dick, and I just don't want one of those. I don't want to have to peel it out of the case. So, Elle, what's your ideal size cock? I don't know that I have necessarily a length, but a skinny one just doesn't do I need some girth to it. Girth, yeah. Girth for length. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I would pick girth over length any day. Okay. How about grooming habits for a man? I don't care if they have like hair on their chest and everything and just try to keep it tidy down there. It doesn't have to be like full bald or anything. Like just, I don't want to be like picking hairs out of my mouth. Thank you. Yeah. You agree on that one? Get the weed eater out, trim the tall weeds, and, you know, it's all right. I try to take care of mine, you know. I keep it high and tight. There you go. I don't mind a little hair, but, I mean, bald is actually a lot of fun to suck on because there's nothing. Well, there's nothing there, yeah. Nothing gets caught in your tongue. It's all smooth. I'm sure it feels good for him, too. Oh, yeah, yeah. I get all around that area. I do that on purpose. Especially now, because she definitely has gotten way improved on the oral skills. The other night, did a couple things that kind of impressed me pretty much. It was another one of those shocking moments where my jaw kind of dropped for a minute, and I was like, God damn, where'd you learn to do that? Actually, I don't care where you learn, just keep doing it. Just keep doing it. Keep it up. Now that I know, though, I'm going to go back there. So now, Elle, are you nice and clean down there? I mean shaved wise? Yeah. I'm very, I am almost like way OCD about my vagina. I don't like, I, I told her the other day, I said, you could almost write like a whole article on pussy health at this point. Cause she's got like probiotic things. She takes, she's got this, she's got that. She does these little treatment things. She uses a special oil after she shaves everything. I was like, I was like, you got like a whole regiment. Yeah. I mean, it is very pristine. She keeps the butthole nice, too, which usually that's my job. I help her with that one, usually. I'd like to see that. I'm the official butthole shaver. I think I need a picture. She'll call me in there sometimes and be like, hey, can you check back there? And I'm like, yeah, give me the razor. Let me see if I can get that cleared up for you. It's always perfect. Info at Hot Wife Podcast to send pictures. I want to verify what you're saying. That's all I'm saying. It's just a professional opinion. That's it. Nothing dirty going on here. Believe me, I've got pictures. Now I've been told, though, apparently that I have the perfect butthole, and I didn't know that was a thing. If it accepts penis, it is. The guy that I've seen several times is obsessed with my asshole. She mentioned it to me. He's there and describes it. How perfect it is. I don't know, but I'm glad at least you're not like, Jesus Christ, that thing looks like a hack job. If I didn't mention it so far, if I didn't mention it, I'll mention it now. Info at Hot White Podcast. She actually brought that up to me. She goes, he said that. I go, I'm going to be honest with you. As someone that's spent a lot of time looking at it, I said, it is pretty perfect. I said, he's not wrong. I said, I've spent way more time than him staring that thing down. Believe me. And I said, it is pretty exceptional. I said, it's very symmetrical. Oh, that's nice. That's artistic. If you can see me right now, I'm saluting. Yeah. I mean, I've said, I was like, if you could, you could make money on OnlyFans just with foot and butthole pictures. right now. I said, those two things right now would make money on all the things. I said, no one knows who you are and they couldn't see your face. That's always the big misnomer. Everybody thinks, oh, I can just put a picture of my feet up. Now, it's more than that. We've tried that in the past. Soles and holes is definitely a good thing. Yeah, that's what you need. You've got to mix it up. Throw a titty and a butthole in there. You can have a foot picture. I couldn't do the feet. I have tattoos that would make somebody new. That's the only thing with her. In fact, In fact, that was some of the issues we had when she had to do pictures for her profile. There's like three or four of the tattoos she's got that are very distinct and a lot of people know of. And if they saw them, they'd be like, oh, I know who that is. When we do pictures, if she's doing pictures for something like that, we have to be careful. Now, we could do sexy pictures anytime. We did some the other night just for her to send out to people she does know. We did a little Halloween photo shoot the other night, and they came out really good. Nice. With their little Beeman horns on. It's a lot of fun, isn't it? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. I mean, before we got into swinging, I was shooting pictures of Donna for adult content when we were just friends. Oh, a thousand years ago. Yeah, now my phone is, you know, I keep buying more storage on Apple to fucking store all the pictures and videos. I shoot. It's like I'm going to own Apple soon, I think. Keep dreaming. We haven't got to do any videos yet. I'd like to. In fact, I tell her all the time. I go, hey, if you're going somewhere and you want to send me a pic or a video letter, you can. Just let me know. I think you can even Snapchat it to me and it'll go away. It's fine. Has she FaceTimed you while she fucks somebody yet? Oh, that's always hot. No, but I would be all right with that. Although then I'd feel weird if the other guy was seeing my face. I'd have to look back at him and go, hey, what's up, buddy? I'm like, through the phone, high five. Yeah, maybe he might not. He might not want to see it. You might ruin it for him. That's what I'm saying. I've always told her, though. I was like, if you're ever stuck in a guy's dick and you want to take a video of it, send it to me. I was like, I would be cool with that because I'm going to be sitting at home waiting for him to get home anyway, and that'll just get me going even more. Oh, like when Donna goes on her hot dates. I tell her she doesn't do it. I don't do it as much as you like. I have been very, very good about it. So when you're on a hot date, you know, send me pictures and or video of like what's going on. Do you know what pictures I get? I get pictures of like, oh, here's what me want me to eat. And then also I get a picture of like, oh, we're watching TV now. We just got done fucking. It's like, wait, we missed the good part. That was so many years ago. The last time that I had a hot date, I sent you video. I was blowing him down there by the pool, Mr. That was just this summer. You're going to keep going back to something that happened five years ago. Stop. Jesus Christ. I had the video of you sucking his dick. How many hot dates have you been on where I didn't get anything? We just get lost in the cash. Well, I'm trying to be better. I'm trying to tell you I'm being better. Oh, he's such a dick. I never give a shit about it. I try not to be a dick about it. I'm like, if you want to, it's cool. If you don't get around to it, no big deal. I just don't know that I want to see myself on video I don't know if it's gonna like horrify me yeah she's convinced that she doesn't want to see herself and I'm like I keep telling her I go yeah well I keep telling her I was like as someone who's staring at you while I'm fucking you I was like you actually look really good yeah I said believe me I said you would not be disappointed and I'm like I'm sure she would be critical of herself I go but I go believe me when I'm looking at it it looks pretty damn good to me. I said, and I know now that there's at least probably eight other people that will back me up on that. It looks pretty good. I have photographed over a thousand different women over the years. And Donna, every woman is critical of themselves. Oh yeah, absolutely. And Donna used to be very critical, but now I shoot video and then she tends to edit it. And afterwards she's like, oh my God, I got so turned on watching how that guy fucked me and all this. Yeah, I'm not looking at the lumps and bumps anymore. I'm looking at, there's a couple where I'm riding this, he was a black guy, and he, just because of contrast, and his dick was really thick, and just seeing it going, like, spreading my pussy white, I was like, oh, dear God, yes. Yeah, and I think she probably could get into that, too. If she saw a video of herself, she probably would be sitting there going, damn, that's pretty hot. I think I would be okay with like video of me like sucking a dick or like taking it from the back that I just I don't want to see all my fat that's just not I don't want to see my fat I have it too boy it's there she's not even and it's not even that bad she is definitely not like I tell her that all the time I'm like you look really good when you're fucking It's not all what you think. I mean, when you've got a woman scrunched up and her legs pushed up by her shoulders, yeah, it's going to look like there's a few little rolls going on down there. Oh, it has to. I was like, you look really good when we're having sex. Well, Jay, tell me if I'm wrong. It doesn't matter what shape the woman is in. If you see a woman having erotic expressions because she's being completely pleasured, it doesn't matter. It's erotic. That's hot. She could be 600 pounds. If she's got the O face going, And she's enjoying it. Oh, it's hot. It's plain and simple. That's what I always say. I was like, she's got great fucking face. Yeah. And then it's a woman you love having pleasure. It's just, it's multiplied by 500. Yeah. In fact, in fact, I always tell her, I said, when we're fucking, what gets me is she gets a look in her face. It's almost evil. Like she's up to something. She gets this weird, like evil look in her eyes. And you're almost like, I can't tell if she's enjoying this or she's about to pull out a knife and stab me. Whatever that look is, it does something for me. I like it. I feel like it's dangerous. That's breakfast at our table. That's just Donna looking at me like, I'm going to kill you. No, stop it. She looks like an evil look in her eye like she's up to something and you're like, oh my God. No, man, it's all hot. And women, I don't, I mean, Donna gets to see, because she edits some of the video, what I see. and she sees how erotic it is, but during it's like, oh, I think I was this, I think I was that, or whatever. But then afterwards, it's like, oh, when they get to see what I was shooting and why I picked this angle or that angle or whatever, and all of a sudden it's like, that was pretty fucking hot. It's like, yeah. And I tell her sometimes, she's like, oh, I think I looked like this or that. I'm like, no. I'm telling you, whoever watches this is going to think it's hot. And then she sees it and she's like, yeah, it was hot. Yeah, I think angle would be a big thing, depending on what angle it's going. Like I said, you can edit it. Sure. You let me film it, I'll let you edit it. I mean, I'm not that savvy with that kind of stuff. I mean, believe me, I'm sure that if I saw myself, I'd probably be a little bit like, ooh, man, I didn't look good from that angle. I should have tanned a little bit, but you know, I don't care. I'm going to be like, I'm still going to watch it. Yeah, exactly. When you get to see your wife sitting there like, come on, fuck me. Fuck me with this other guy. It's so hot. Donna likes having her hair pulled from behind while she's getting fucked anally. She's quivering now. It's erotic. It's like, yeah, she'll sit there and the guy's pulling her hair from behind while he's fucking her anally and she's like, yeah, make me your little slut. Make me was like, yeah, there we go. There we go. That's it. Ah, yes, that's always fun. Sounds like it certainly is. It's, you know, somebody who likes to have fun. There's some guys like, oh, I'm afraid I'm going to, you know, hurt you if I pull your hair. Then there's other guys that, you know, know how to do it. And I kind of instruct them, you know, like, you know, closer to the root. You know, I wear my hair in a ponytail. All I could do is grab a hold of that, but like real close to the root and pull hard. It's like, oh, yeah, that's the spot. Yeah. That's then. Okay. So are you at a point in your life that guys don't have to wear condoms? Do you get to cream pies and stuff? I mean, I'm on birth control. Some of the guys that I've been with, I usually wear a condom for a while. One of them, though, recently he was fixed, so I wasn't. And he hadn't had sex with anybody since March. So I wasn't concerned with that one Just came out of a divorce The other one that I've seen several times Yeah, no, we've pretty much tossed the condom out It more or less becomes if you've been with them a long enough time Kind of trust them a little bit You just kind of got to play the trust game there a little bit Usually right off the bat, she'll be like, nah, I'm taking some with me I don't know who this person is, where they've been Sometimes you get to know somebody and you're like, okay No, I get it. Yeah. And she's taken some tests recently just to keep up and double check. Sure. Had to start kind of thinking about that here and there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like Donna. With the couple we swing with, we're pretty all good with them. We don't worry about that too much. That's been a while. He fixed shoes, so there's that. I got an appointment to get neutered. I'm not looking forward to it, but I guess I ought to probably do it. Yeah. Save you a couple bucks. Yeah, well, actually, no, I looked at the estimated cost, and I'm like, well, this is going to cost me quite a bit. So I guess it's cheaper than knocking somebody up. But I'm also like, I'm like, I don't know, man, I'm 45. If I gave it another, I'd say if I gave another couple more years, I'd probably be good anyway. But then I see guys like, you know, Robert De Niro having kids at 70, and I'm like, yeah, I should probably go ahead and do this. Yeah. That's if you want to believe it. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was Al Pacino I was thinking of. Yeah, his wife was like 29 and he was 72 and they were having a kid. And I was like, ah, she's fucking the gardener. Yeah. Yep. Probably. The doorman at their building is giving it to her. Yeah. He's going in. I might have been watching. Yeah, whatever. But yeah, no, it's I mean, like I know Donna enjoys cream pies. Oh, I do. Yeah, I mean, to be quite honest, condoms really suck. I mean, they suck, but you don't want to be stupid either. I mean, we've been together for 21 years, so like when we had to go buy them, it was like she went to Walmart. She's like, you know, they lock those things up in a case now. I was like, fuck, it's been a long time since I got any. Yeah, yeah. Is it really such a big deal for people to be stealing condoms? I mean, let them steal them. If they're that kind of person that's going to steal, Let them steal the fucking condoms. If they have to steal them, I'm glad they're stealing them because they're probably too dumb to reproduce. Yep, probably. Yes, exactly. Fortunately, Walgreens doesn't have that because I'm like, no, I'm not going to stand there and hit the buzzer and get these. It's like, I'll go to a different store. Yeah. I remember when I was buying condoms, I'd go back to the pharmacy counter to bring them up and the girl would go, you know, I get done, ring it, pay her and she'd go, well, have a nice night. I'm hoping to, you know. You would deliberately buy the extra large mega. Anaconda ones. Anaconda. Yeah, I'll have a good night tonight. Don't mind the shims I'm buying with it, but I'm just, you know. Gotta get some rubber bands to hold them on at the back. It's like, you know, like the old joke, did you ever see the serial numbers on the bottom of a condom? No. You don't roll them far enough. But yeah, I mean, I don't know about you, Elle, but I mean, Donna loves cum. I do. Yeah. I mean, it's... I would say more recently have really started like swallowing cum. Yeah. I don't think... She's got a newfound appreciation. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's... I have no issues with it. I would say in the last... Last year, she's definitely, well, since all this started, she really started all of a sudden, like, appreciated blowing guys. Like, which is great for me because I reap the benefits of it, too. And she's also found out she's really good at it. So she'll tell me, she'll be like, oh, my God, you should have seen his face when I was blowing him. I'm like, oh, really? Well, do it to me and show me what you're doing to him. Maybe my face will make the same face. Go for it. Go for it. And that was the other night. The other night. Oh, no. My favorite was when I was blowing one guy and he liked for me to play with his ass while I was blowing him. And I had never done that before. So I was like, okay, whatever. I'll try it. I mean, try anything once, right? So I did. And the amount of cum that came out of him, I was like in shock. And like, it was... It was a good shock. I was so impressed by it. That was the first thing she came home and told me. She's like, oh, my God, you should have seen how much cum came out of this guy. And I was like, oh, nice to see you, too, honey. I was like, that's really cool. Tell me about it. That's great, but I was talking about the kid's report card. I mean, that's like I said, our conversation sometimes, she'll just come through the room and be like, oh, my God, you should hear about the amount of cum that came out of this guy. It was crazy. And I'm like, no way, really? The one time it damn near uppercut me in the jaw. Donna, you need to share with her about the coffee, hot beverage, blowjob. Oh, for playmates that I want to shake their world up a little bit, I use coffee because I like coffee. A hot beverage. Any hot beverage. And what I would do, they have no idea what's going on. They just think I'm going to be drinking my coffee or whatever. But I get them into a position where I can blow them. And I take a big swig of the hot coffee. I hold it in my mouth as long as I can. And then quick go down and swallow their cock into my hot mouth. After you swallow the coffee. After you swallow it. You swallow it quickly and then go right down. I've done it with women. I hold coffee in my mouth. It could be hot chocolate or tea. It could be whatever. But as hot as you can take it. And as soon as soon as you swallow it, then you put, like for me, I put my tongue on the woman's clit or whatever. I had women squirt that never squirted. I'll nuke some water up later. Fire up to Keurig. I prefer heat. Most people are like, oh yeah, what about ice cubes? Ice cubes have never done it for me unless it's like hot summer. I'm not a fan of cold in general. I don't want to be cold. Dicks usually doesn't work out too good. It doesn't work out. I agree. You know, I mean, if I get out of a cold pool, I'm like, I hope my trunks aren't sticking to me. It's like the Seinfeld episode, Shrinkage. Shrinkage. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, it's usually cold's not good for Dicks. It's fine. But so it's something to try. Try some hot beverage. Yeah. What you do is you put it in your mouth, hold it there as long as you can. And right before you go down on him or her, swallow it and then put it in your mouth. your tongue on them, I guarantee that you, they will be able to read the serial numbers on the back of their skull. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. I haven't tried that yet. Yeah. No, it's a, it's a lot of fun. So, so what, what's going on on the list with the Cluster game? I mean, I'm always, always looking for something new to try. There you go. There you go. That's an easy one. She's taking mental notes. She's like, I'm going to fuck somebody's world up. So what do you think some of the next adventures you have coming up? Really? I don't know. I mean, we'll see. Working on the threesome. We just got to figure out a day that'll work. I have kind of looked into some different things as like we get into winter and it's a little slower. I think I would think about like maybe checking out some of any type of like Lifestyle event. We've looked at a couple of them. There was one the other weekend, but we had other plans going on that was pretty close to us that I thought would be cool. I was like, I wouldn't mind going and checking one of those out to see how it is. Interesting people to meet. We have another couple we can take with us, so we got built-in friends. So we may look into doing that, but other than that, we've just kind of stayed busy during the summer and been doing all this, and now I just need to figure out a good weekend with We can kind of have an empty house and maybe have someone over and have fun. See where it goes. Nice. Nice. That's a goal. So have you had a chance to share? Have you shared any of your friends yet? Well, I mean, we're friends with that couple we swing with. And I mean, most of the time when we would swing with them, like previously when we did it, it was always like her and the guy go in one room, me and the girl go in the other. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, this right in the same room, switch halfway through. And I mean, that's the thing. I have seen her have sex with somebody else, but I was having sex with that guy's wife. So I was kind of back and forth. Well, no, you guys technically I did suck his dick while you fucked me. So. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There was one point where she got up and I looked over at him because I knew my wife had already said she wanted to get fucked while sucking a dick. And I looked at him and I said, hey, Put your dick in her mouth real quick. Real quick. And she did like it. I did tell her the next day. I said, hey, you know, I did that for you. I said I enjoyed it, too. I said I enjoyed it, too, but I knew you wanted that. I mean, like, I have some friends that Donna has become a free use woman to. Oh, vaguely, yes. Yeah, so, you know, a couple of my friends come over and, you know, all of and Donna will disappear for a little bit with them and have some fun and, you know. Then come back out. Some are single, some are married. Yep, yep. Now are their wives okay with it? They don't know anything about it. Well, one gentleman's single, so. Yeah. Yeah, I've just, I'm kind of weird about fucking guys that have wives or girlfriends or anything unless they're like in the same kind of lifestyle because I don't want to, and like guys, to say, oh, no, she's okay with it. Like, really, though? Like, really? No. Like, I don't want to be that, you know. She's got a nice truck. She ain't trying to get a Keeter. Yeah, I don't need my tires flat or anything like that. Like, I'm not looking for that. Yeah. Yeah. She's basically, at this point, it's just been all single guys. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that. But, yeah, like, I have some friends since occasionally I smoke cigars. So they come over here to our house to have a cigar or something with me and so there's not like it's not like it's an unusual visit i mean i wish i wish i had a neighbor that was like hey want to come over and have a cigar and while you're over here if you want to fuck my wife you can't i'd be like i'd be like you're the greatest fucking neighbor i've ever had yeah i'd be like god damn why i've been in the wrong neighborhood my whole life yeah i'm lucky if my neighbor lets me borrow the weed eater once in a while much less bang his wife i mean that'd be cool we even actually have it to the where Donna has some playmates that they actually come over and help us do some work around the house without getting the extra benefits this is a certain person that we've really had a friendship with for at least three years now maybe a little bit longer so we actually do have a friendship and we had some work that needed to be done and he's our age but he likes to work out he goes every time I come over you don't give me a good workout and I'm like Okay, that's besides the fucking his brains out part. I know he wants to lift pallets. Heavy things. Pick things up, put things down. Yeah, yeah. So we had him bring up 50 bags of wood pallets for our pallet stove. He did it in like, what, 20 minutes? I don't know. It was quick. Our house is built into a hill. There's 36 steps from our driveway to our front door. It's a lot. So he carried, well, he carried 40 bags up. Oh, yeah, we took up 10. Okay. So he carried 40-pound bags of pellets up 36 steps. And didn't get laid for it. No, didn't get laid for it. I do owe him, though. I really do. You owe me, too, by the way. I owe you, too. Yeah, I need, like, a contractor. I need, like, a mechanic. I told her, I said, find out what these guys do. I mean, if you get one that knows a little bit about plumbing or HVAC, keep him around a little bit. Because if something goes wrong around the house, I could be like, hey, why don't you call So-and-so. That's it. See if you can come help me fix your car. It's like, hey, the lawn. I need some landscaping done. Call Juan. Yeah. That's not right. Nice to know a few people in the trades business. Just, you know. I'm like, honey, if you happen to see somebody, you know, that's cute, that has some skill, hang on to that one for a minute. Here's the plus. We need a new roof. So once every 20 years, you have to fuck five guys. Yeah, that's awesome. We always like introducing other people's experiences in the lifestyle. We have people that are single that listen. We have newbies. We have people that have been in the lifestyle for a long time. It's awesome to hear what you guys have been going through. through and the fun you're having with it and how it has enhanced your relationship yeah i tell people all the time i was like you know what i mean i'll tell people just ask me about what you've been up to i'm not much and you know how's wife i'm like oh we're having fun i'm like i'm like if you only knew how much fun we're really having my wife's good she's sore but she's fun she's good she's fine she's sore she's walking She's sitting on ice pack today, but that's okay. Once she gets home from her hot date, I'll let you know. Sometimes, yeah, you need some ice pack underwear or something. She's had a few days where she'll get up and she'll be like, I think I need a break tonight. And I'm like, yeah, you might. I was like, I'm sure. I know I'm worn out after last night and you had a hold of the round probably before. me, if not two. Now, that's awesome that you guys are, that level of excitement, and you guys have been married for how many years? Oh, shit. 16 years. We've been together 21. Yeah, okay. Yeah, we're, was it Monday? Whatever November 1st is. Yeah, November 1st. We'll be married 23 years. Oh, wow. I couldn't remember if it was 22 or 23. 23, too many. 23, way too many. I'm up for parole at 24, so. But no, and again, not that it works for everyone, but we've said how we've talked about on the show countless times about how we have found it has enhanced our relationship. You know, it's increased the excitement, increased the trust, the bond, the bondage. I definitely think, like, the openness and honesty has been, like, the number one thing like sure yeah gonna be lying or hiding stuff or anything like that no i mean it's yeah that's that's the thing if if you can come home and tell your husband be like oh i gotta get in the bathroom i think it came a lot in my ass i mean you can tell your husband anything at that point at that point like what are you gonna hide as long as it's not your husband coming home oh i gotta go in the bathroom i gotta come in my ass hey whatever he's into it's like If we can talk about anything, we're pretty good. It's like you said, I definitely know plenty of people that I'm like, there's no way they could do this. I know too many people that just don't have that security level or aren't as open. You really got to have a lot of security and everything to just be able to be like, okay, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, you have to be secure in yourself. Donna came up with the phrase that if you base your relationship on an orgasm, it's not going to work. No, you have a whole lot more things that are going on. If you think your partner is going to leave you because someone else gave him an orgasm, there's more problems in your relationship than an orgasm. That's for sure. that would be really worried about it. And I mean, I kind of wondered right off the bat with her if there was a few times she was worried about talking to me about it because she was worried I'd get jealous. And I've always told her, I'm like, look, I hope you have fun. I hope he fucks your brains out. I hope he's got a huge dick. I hope it's great. I want you to have fun. I go, if I'm going to go send you if you're going to go fuck somebody, I go, I hope it's really good. Yeah, I said, you're already going to do it. I hope I hope it's mind blowing. I said, I was like, I tell her, I go, I never hope for you to have a bad leg. I always hope it's great. I was like, I don't want you to waste your time. I was like, and if you come home and tell me, oh my God, you wouldn't even believe it. It was incredible. Some guys would freak out. I'm like, oh, that's awesome. Great. I'm like, all right, I'm going to start taking off my pants now. So keep talking. Yep. That's it. If you're going to ride a roller coaster, make sure it's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. So I'll tell you what, we're going to wrap the show up. You guys stay on the phone for a minute. We're going to wrap the show up and then we'll talk after we stop recording. Okay. All right. Perfect. Thanks. All right. So check out the free magazine, the 50shadesofpleasure.com. You know, again, also want to thank everyone for listening and especially want to thank J and L for coming on the show. Thank you. Hopefully they're going to come on more in the future. We'll get them talking about some other stuff. We'll have topics that we can And if you want to see who and what Donna is doing. What I'm doing, hotwifedonnellin.com. You can see all the dicks I'm sucking and fucking. And I even put them some solo stuff just because. Yawn. I know. All right. So, hey, everyone, thanks again for listening and stay horny. Have a good night, everybody.