We have a camera that will take video and sends content only to an SD card. Most phones will auto upload to the cloud, and you normally want them to, but this would be a case where I would not.
Watching
Watching is a huge turn on for me. I understand not everyone is into watching and being watched. When I am with a couple it is very sexy to watch the two of them in an intimate moment. No words expressed, just the sounds of the two of them together.
Like wise, it is hot when i am with the man's wife / significant other, and he is watching the two of us. Recently, one couple I see has elevated the experience of not only being watched but added in being filmed. We agreed no faces, but the body shots are amazing to see. It is fun to lay there after an episode and watch what we created.
It's fun to be near people engaged in 2s, 3s, or more... Maybe one or both of us are invited to join in, or maybe we just slip away. Either can be fine. Spontaneity is a nice part of the recipe. We've never had a couple just come by for viewing. (Heck, we're not so pretty as we once were, or so we think.) Besides, intimacy warms a room quickly. Just seeing others kissing when we are nearby makes us do the same. Soon there's sharing.
FWIW - We find that being watched at a LS event is exciting, but having just a couple over to watch us was a little weird. It's not as bad if both couples are playing with their own partner on nearby beds or the same bed, but standalone just feels weird, even being experienced swingers.
If that's the case, I'd think being watched as newbies is likely to feel weird as well, but everyone is different, so who knows. This is likely part of the problem of why experienced swingers avoid newbies. We personally don't, but we probably have more patience than most and we get to play a lot, so no biggie if we don't play every time we meet someone.
We view dealing with newbies like a gardener does planting a seed. In almost every case, when full swap finally happens, usually the sentiment for the newbies is that it was exciting and much worry about nothing. It all comes down to how comfortable the newbies feel with us, and apparently we have a knack of making them feel very comfortable very quickly.
We just joined and going to our first hotel take over in October in Lansing Michigan, and I saw this thread and glad I'm able to get some insight on this topic. Watching and being watched is what we started talking first, it turns us both on, we are not ready to go blown out full swap, but slowly talking about our limits before we even go. I spoke to a few members here about what we want, but one told us, an event of a hotel take over will be a lot for a first time experience of just wanting to watch and be watched and what to expect. Please pm us for advice, we are excited but nervous at the same time ?? kind of...as we are so ready to do this
Mimitim- I'm a single guy so I can only give you a single guy answer.
If we meet first or chat online and you tell me what you are looking for and what the boundaries are, I would have no problem just watching or just touching. Just make sure you make this clear before you are both naked.
Same is true for a club if you meet a guy, tell him the same thing then go to a private room. I do not suggest a public area where others can ask if they can join. I think that would be too much for a newbie with the boundaries and limits you have. You could get people asking for a full swap every minute, depending on the club.
Yes, there will be assholes that will demand more, but assholes are everywhere.
You should be able to spot the assholes in chat when you tell them what you want. Most assholes would push for more.
Watching and/or being watched by couple or single guy (with some touching) is what we're pondering for a first step. But we're thinking a club might be too much to jump into. Maybe drinks and hotel room instead.
For those of you who started this way as naive noobs, how did it go? How did you set it up and communicate the scenario/rules? What would you do differently the first couple times?
For me the two (voyeurism and exhibitionism) go hand in hand as far as the enjoyment. And "leading to more" would pretty much always be an enhancement in my book.
I'm not sure a true voyeur would agree with your take on the "ethics."
We love to watch too but always understand that any ethical voyeur will also be willing to provide others with something to watch as well. We don't do full swaps but when the call is out for that "lending hand" we are here. Also like others have said we also both like to masturbate while watching. Some folks feel that is inappropriate and we will always try to not cross any lines.
We have a number of people that would love to come to our parties just to watch, but we have limited parking. Most everyone at the party, including us, would rather that the parking be filled with players rather than watchers. Since we don't charge for our parties, there's no monetary incentive to have people over that only want to watch.
Just something to consider if you're trying to go to a house party to just watch. Even if they do make a buck off the watchers, it's likely the hosts would prefer players over watchers if it's a party where space/capacity is an issue.
I am a voyeur at heart. I love watching couples play. I have watched a few where we have all gotten naked then they start to play. I get to sit there watching them and taking care of myself. One couple had me come over for a closer look then asked me to help her. I would have been fine just watching
We do too but also like watch each other.
We love performing for others to enjoy, We some time watch others first then put on a show for others. We usually don't close the door at a club or party we like to have others enjoy us and maybe it will entice them to wanna play
My Husband is the voyeur I am more the exhibitionist but I do like to watch others too. We do not go to clubs, but at our house/pool parties we both get the chance to experience both. ~N
My wife especially loves being watched. Just recently we put on a good show at a club of her riding my cock on and off in between sucking my cock and eventually sucking me off in front of probably 10 to 15 people.
We certainly don't mind being watched but doubt many would find us interesting enough. Well hopefully they wouldn't make fun of us.
One time we were playing in an open room at a large house party with 2 other couples we know. We all swapped around, and I waited till the end to pair up with my female doppelgänger. Neither of us really has an "off" button, so if it's feeling good to both of us, we just keep on going, and it always feels good to both of us ;-)
After a little more than an hour, the inevitable happens and I have to go to the bathroom, so we take a break. As I'm walking to the bathroom this guy I've never seen before reaches out to shake my hand. So I shake his hand and ask, "Do I know you?".
He responded back with "No, but after watching you in the open room I just wanted to let you know that you're my new hero." Then he asks, "How do you do that?" I told him it I took Viagra, and he said he has too, but it still doesn't help him do what I just did. Cracked me up, but also made my night.
It doesn't bother me when people watch me, but it does if they are interfering with the moment. If someone gets a little something from watching me, all the better, but I'm just going to do my thing regardless. If someone is being rude/distracting, I can and have let people know that. Being a party host, I also know to let the host/s know if others are being rude/distracting at a party other than mine.
At our parties, I'd pull them off to the side and talk to them, and if it happened again, I'd just drop them from my invite list. Again, we don't charge for our parties so there is no monetary incentive to have those sort of people attend. Also, 99% of the people at our parties are there to play, and many actually enjoy being watched and/or joined.
When we play with another couple at a swing club, we close the door to the playroom. We're not there to put on a show for the voyeurs or wannabees who have no intention of playing.
Some of these comments are exactly why we host our own parties by invitation only. It doesn't completely stop this behavior, but it does limit it substantially.
We too have run into a "younger crowd" and they just sit, look, and giggle. Its like they have no clue why they are really there, and swinging was not a part of it.. we actually see the same at vanilla dance clubs we attend.. very immature people these days!
We just had this same conversation with our adult kids who we took to a vanilla live music dance venue!
The first time we went to a club we ventured into the "group" room and watched for a little while and decided to have our own playtime on an adjacent bed. There were multiple clothed lookie loos in the room. Just as we were enjoying ourselves, three fully clothed 20 something girls came and sat on the bed right next to us and started making comments/jokes about what was going on in the room and looking over and laughing while watching my woman give me a BJ. They were close enough I could reach out and touch them. You could tell they had zero intention of joining in on any of the fun and it was more like a wild dare that brought them there. It was pretty rude.
"I think it always works better when the watchers are at least required to be naked if not engaged in play, at least with each other. "
No, it's still ridiculously distracting to have people standing around watching, especially if they're making comments about what they're seeing. Plus there's the whole 'looking up to see guys' balls way too close' issue (a reason to appreciate clubs that have distance rules or chains at the doors of their playrooms).
Just encountered this at a takeover this Veteran's Day weekend. They had a "porn star" room set up with a camera feed into an adjacent "voyeur room". Actually a bit hotter than I expected. A spillover from this that was not as sexy was a nearby "orgy" room where one couple started playing and were joined by the male half of a second couple. A third couple joined in and we were about to as well when we noticed the room had filled up with about twenty people just watching drinking and chatting. The vibe changed pretty quickly with people jabbering and laughing about....whatever...didn't matter. It was a distraction. We moved on to a more intimate playroom and had a great time with another couple.
I think it always works better when the watchers are at least required to be naked if not engaged in play, at least with each other. That fundamentally changes the power dynamic. Otherwise it ruins the mood for us. We also do not like clubs where single men ae allowed in the playrooms without invitation, for the same reason.
We do it...we usually play alone at clubs...so we watch. And like being watched...
the wife and i have been to 3 clubs so far. each club has their own vibe. two of them had a couples only area as well as open orgy area. they are well known. the third was a small club with just general areas. we had no problem watching or being watched at all. we had no problem if it was other couples straight or gay. it was the single guys trying to do a reach over when it was unwanted.