Coronavirus

@Calist

I understand your point. I just don't see how you can regulate it. Like I mentioned, how narrow down do you get it? You used King City as an example. Ok, that sounds great because it's not highly populated. But there is Greenfield Village apartments right up the road in a smaller city and there are a few hundred units. How do you handle that? That is super dense in a small area.

Then what do you do if the guy who is out in say, King City :) and he goes into San Jose?

There is no perfect answer. I think the regulations will look ignorant for some citizens, but when you look at the logistics of enforcement, it's a trade off.

Erotic - By local I mean city versus low populated / unincorporated areas. City of Monterey with its denser population and influx of tourist from the Bay Area on the weekends could institute different rules than say King City in South County. Should not be one size fits all. Its much the same with Santa Barbara versus Lompoc (excluding the prison and its current problem) or Buellton.

Sum - I have to laugh, you apparently have spent time in the City by the Bay!!!! For that very reason and after what our child witnessed, we no longer travel there. We would stay at a high end hotel near Union Square, I noted every morning a crew would pressure wash the sidewalks. Afterwards you could still smell the urine.

Calist . . .

I think they do take into consideration that the density in some places is less. The issue becomes a few things. One, how deep down do you drill to make it the law?

An apartment building in Monterrey that has 100 people in it is more dense than the person who lives just outside of town, by 8 miles, that has 3 acres of land. So do you mandate that the people living in the apartment building wear masks and those that have 3 acres do not? That is impossible to regulate.

Then the next scenario. Go out wider. Is it less dense in Gilroy than it is San Jose? What's to stop someone from San Jose to go to the Gilroy outlet mall and then expose people at the shops?

So yes, I do think they think of these things. I just think they realize that unless you lock people up to lock them down, what you describe is not feasible to do.

A number of Counties in California's Bay Area have mandated masks when going out in public, otherwise $1,000 fine. Most have indicated they will only fine repeat offenders. All are cash strapped given total and utter economic collapse, I expect the issuance of fines might become more common. I live in an area where there have been relatively few cases and deaths. However, neighboring Counties are a mess. Most of California's land mass is open and lightly populated. Its the urban centers of dense populations where the virus has spread. Unfortunately, government mandates fail to take local issues into account when applying blanket mandates.

Sumtime, that's about right. In most areas, it's not NEARLY as bad as expected and it's not completely because of quarantine, social distancing, or wearing masks. It's because it's not that figur almost everyone.

FYI: I think it was just in Sam Francisco that they are supposed to wear masks. Guess what? Still America! I'm not wearing a damn mask.

So it sounds like most people here are concerned, but not terrified. Who knows if we'll EVER get accurate numbers, since doctors and coroners are being pressured to diagnose Covid, and many cave.

It WILL go away, and it will almost certainly come back. In coming years, it will be seen as something like the flu and flu precautions will be suggested, I suspect-- and hope.

Those who enjoy being active are suffering the most: we're told to stay active but can't do "active people" things. ARGH!

Oregon is supposed to start opening up May 1. I look forward to that.

I just watched a video on Facebook that sums it up: a woman with filters like a rack of microphones, giving a press conference, stating al the inconsistencies we hear like "you must not leave the house for any reason, unless you HAVE a reason and then you may leave the house". It's actually pretty funny, and so true. "Howard Bruce Neufield" is who I see as the OP. I wish I could post the link here.

@SUM

I do not wish you to get it either.

However, there are some mistakes in facts in your statement.

This disease is just like real estate, it's 'local'

The estimates for NYC area, depending upon whose data you extrapolate from shows anywhere from 3% to almost 20% have been infected. That does not equate to LA, that does not equate to Buffalo, that does not equate to Quincy, IL, that does not equate to Alva, FL. That only equates to there.

It has not been proven that it ONLY kills 'fat', 'old', 'diabetic', etc.

I am, from a data standpoint, fortunate. My county publishes pretty damn good data. My county, geographically, is huge. More than 25% of the tested positive cases are in a federal prison and the staff there. So far we have had 5 deaths and have had ~475 confirmed cases. We have broken the norm though in ICU -> death. We have had ~20 people in ICU. This jail situation is what I am watching and watching closely. See, when people bring up the cruise or other deaths to support it is old people, well, look at the environment. A cruise is a floating prison and a nursing home is a confined close quarter prison. If I see a lot more deaths out of the prison, which, interestingly enough, two days ago went on lockdown, finally, then I may be persuaded to believe that elderly are more susceptible to death. However, what I have observed is that getting it is not restricted to just the elderly.

This thread is a statement about the american educational system. It needs help.

I find it interesting that there are a lot of absolutists in this thread. Life is nuanced. This virus is not a binary type situation. You think the equation is get it = I live. You feel that because you are 'healthy.' Please, explain to me how a virus can check your age, religion, wealth, height, weight, political affiliation, zip code in which you live in, etc. It doesn't fucking care. Are more people dying who have underlying conditions? Of course. Old people die from falling down stairs, the underlying condition is old age and lack of balance. However, there are plenty of people who are NOT old that die from falling down stairs. This virus is the same.

I came into this thread wondering if peoples beliefs have 'evolved.' I am not sure.

Now, much like Flip, I don't think my wife and I will be exposed in this batch. However, as I think this will be here for the next year or two, chances are we will be exposed. Then it is grabbing dice and rolling them. I hope that I don't get 7 and craps out.

I think Riverside county is the only place where they are imposing fines. But they're not actually stopping people who are not wearing face coverings. Where we are there are signs at businesses saying you need to have something on your face, but then guidelines state if you have asthma or trouble breathing you are exempt. It's a mess and no one can enforce anything.

People should be fined for making s%t up.

"Apparently, CA is doing it's best to take the fun out of life again, and stomp on people's rights. Not wearing a face covering is punishable by fining folks A THOUSAND DOLLARS."

Not sure where you are, but this isn't happening in all of CA.

Young2Ginger if you have a beard especially one like I have wearing a face covering is useless anyway. From what I have seen with my minimal trips out (I'm in an at risk group) most folks who choose to wear a face covering (it is recommended but not required) are doing so wrong anyway. Of course some stores are requiring masks as they are being allowed to open back up but I figure we have gone so long ordering stuff online versus going those places I have no need to go in person.
Of course requiring a mask or face a fine would make it hard to order food and eat it as well as a host of other things so I cannot see how it is enforceable. I also imagine a lot of people who get fined suing so it is likely to cost the state a ton of money in the end.

Apparently, CA is doing it's best to take the fun out of life again, and stomp on people's rights. Not wearing a face covering is punishable by fining folks A THOUSAND DOLLARS. Screw them, I didn't plan on being here after my 55 minute layover yesterday, so no, I don't have one. I have a Buff and it keeps falling.

I'm pretty sure my civil disobedience will be over-looked since I'm in an airport and from Oregon. Where my governor isn't quite as stupid as CA's is. She's close though.

*more sane

AndrewRobin: southern coast, Coos Bay, actually. And yes, it's MORE saber, but that's not saying much. We've got a good sheriff, who upholds the constitution and ignores crap "laws" that aren't legal.

Young2Ginger,

I love that post. You must be from outside Portland, where Oregon is still sane.

Our habits haven't changed much, except for our rights being violated and getting frustrated about it. Young is more concerned than me (Ginger), which is weird, since I'm technically "high risk". That's in quotes, because I'm healthier now than I was in my 30's, and I find it hilarious.
What I don't find hilarious is being told I'm not "allowed" to go camping or many other activities that take me away from others.... which I OCCASIONALLY like to do.
I actually saw a friend, from when we were both first responders 20 years ago, in the woods. We were quite surprised, since don't see each other often but, without thinking, went in for a hug. After we were both in motion, I thought to ask if she was afraid of hugs. She laughed, I laughed, we hugged.
Reporting criteria and sources are all over the place. It's counted as a Corona death in places of the person had a fever or cough, regardless of testing. In my county, nobody gets tested unless s/he is in life-threatening respiratory distress.
And our governor continues to be an idiot. (Oregon, Kate Fucking Brown, HCIC- Head Cunt in Charge)

BEFORE all of this, before COVID, before stay at home orders, when people just dealt with regular colds and flu, IF YOU WENT TO A CLUB OR SWINGER PARTY WITH A COLD OR FLU, THEN YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE!!!!

Nothing has changed. The only difference is that the fake news reports on COVID every day in a way they have never reported on the regular flu. If they gave you a daily update on flu cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, then you'd be irrationally scared of the flu every year too, because the numbers would be the same or worse.

So do whatever you want to fucking do, just don't be an inconsiderate asshole by going to a club when you have a fever and a cough, mmmkay. It really is just that simple, but everyone has become a fucking moron since this started.

"16-25 year olds were smarter 20-30 years ago"
In the mid 80s, Santa Cruz had a tsunami warning.
The cliffs were crowded with people hoping to get a glimpse. Humans have always had the potential for stupidity.

While I do miss personal contact with a lover or lovers, I have found phone sex with a willing partner to be a helpful alternative.

I saw videos of young ppl in Florida having street parties and hanging out on the strips and beaches.

They need to slide the gates on the Alabama, Georgia and S. Carolina borders. Florida is dumb!

Is it me, or were the 16-25 yr olds smarter 20-30 yrs ago? Tech, social media and internet fame has dumbed this generation to near retardation.

The longer people take to take this seriously, the longer we will be stuck in this mode. I don't understand what people don't understand about the spread of disease.

It's sad sls had to take down hot dates just because some people can't control themselves.... You'd think by now everyone would just stay the fuck home and play with the toys God gave you ??

it doesn't exist in antarctica

that7girl the part where like just happened we get a message "COVID-19 free and bored want to hook up?" It is simply amazing how people at least pretend it does not exist or they cannot get it. As this is progressed we reassessed and as much as we even want to meet up with folks we know we are waiting for this to pass. Still yet we have what amounts to complete strangers wanting to meet up right now just because they are stuck home and bored. Heck even SLS had to take down the Hot Dates and remove events for a bit. I know the number of Hot Dates in our area increased before that happened and some groups and clubs were holding events.