Episode 62: Putting Yourself Out There- Lifestyle Profiles 2.0

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This podcast contains explicit language and content and is for mature audiences only. Hey you teenagers out there, if you're under 18, this show is more for your parents. So now that you have that mental picture stuck in your head, put some music on and get back to doing your homework. We are a long-time married couple who's decided to chronicle our personal adventures and share our sex-pos positive discussions as we navigate our way through the swinging lifestyle. Care to join us?

hello everyone i'm mr jones and i'm mrs jones and we want to welcome you to episode 62 of the we got a thing podcast episode 62 putting yourself out there lifestyle profiles 2.0 2.0 yeah what does that mean well that means we've already done an episode on lifestyle profiles but that was a long time ago i think that was episode nine right yeah who the f are you yeah that was when we were newer to the lifestyle and using it more for ourselves personally yeah you know so i i guess full disclosure you know we don't have personal profiles on lifestyle sites anymore. No.

We let We Got a Thing do all the work. Yeah, I don't know. One of the fringe benefits, I guess, of having a podcast is you're putting your profile out there every month in our case. Yeah, that's true. Well, what have we been up to since we recorded last? It's only been like three weeks, but we've packed a lot in, haven't we, honey? Yeah, we went on a cruise. Yes, a vanilla cruise that started out very non-vanilla.

Yeah, you may have heard, if you haven't, if you go listen to the latest podcast by the Spiritual Swingers and the Sapphic Swingers, we crashed their party for an afternoon and evening yes we did it was awesome yeah uh tiff and rachel from the sapphic swingers have a beautiful home in in fort lauderdale and they hosted us they took us out on their boat for a happy hour oh my gosh that was fun yeah captain tiff and first mate rachel yeah we're great hosts and we cruised the intercoastal waterway and just had a wonderful evening yeah we sure did and then after that we all came back and got cleaned up and went to trapeze i you know what now that you mentioned that speaking of getting cleaned up so adam and i you know we were able to to get ready in 10 minutes yeah good for you not a lot of hair to wash for either one of us no especially for Adam and we're standing around you know waiting patiently for you ladies to get ready and we heard hair dryers going and water running and chit-chatting and so I all of a sudden I realized wait a minute I don't have to stand out here and wait.

I can go in there and take a look at what's going on. And I walked around the corner and they have a pretty nice big bathroom. And there's the four of you ladies in there standing around half naked and getting ready and just chit chatting. And I just stood there and took in the sight. You know, if you two dudes were complaining about four ladies like getting themselves all dressed up, ready to go out for a sexy night, I think it was probably worth the wait, wasn't it? It was worth the wait. Yeah, the four of us went to Trapeze. And I think Tiff and Rachel know just about everybody in Trapeze.

So they introduced us around and met some new friends and just had a wonderful evening together yes we did yeah that was fun that was our that was our third time to trapeze fort lauderdale yep it's definitely a good way to either start or end a vanilla vacation yeah so we want to thank you ladies just for being such awesome hosts for us for that day and we're looking forward to coming back down there again and visiting again yeah and it was nice to catch up with um adam and eve too yeah so yeah that was definitely we didn't even plan that it was just a coincidence that we were down there at the same time yeah swingers luck i know it was excellent then we went on our cruise and this was a vanilla cruise and we did a lifestyle cruise last year with a desire cruise yes and it was awesome it was yeah but you know i just kind of like getting away with you every now and again yeah and so we're not going to go through the whole cruise but we want to talk about three particular things that happened on the cruise yeah so i have a vesper necklace if y'all don't know what it is it's a vibrator um like a it kind of looks like a big nail yeah like a really big nail hanging on a chain and um it's actually a real vibrator it comes in pretty handy and but it's a necklace so I decided I was going to wear it on the vanilla cruise as you know to see if anybody would ask me about it yeah and that was an epic fail like nobody asked me but i only wore it one night because it didn't go with a lot of my dresses like it it wouldn't hang right with some of the necklines of my dresses a necklace a vibrating necklace goes with any outfit you have let's get that straight yeah so that was a fail but um then what we did was that, oh, so when we went to Key West.

Yes. We. that was a fail. But, um, then what we did was that, uh, oh, so when we went to, uh, Key West, yes, we got off the ship and we did a private excursion, right? I didn't book. Yeah. I didn't book it through the ship. I booked it on my own. No. So we, we, um, you booked it and I really didn't pay much attention to it until that morning when we got off the ship and you were telling me where we had to go. And you said, we're going on this 60 foot sailboat with, you know, 20 other people and it's a mimosa sail.

And, you know, we're going to drink mimosas and have croissants and just go out into the, to the bay and to the ocean there for a little while. Yep. So we got off and we got off the ship and we made our way to where the sailboat was. And we went out to the dock and there was the boat and there was nobody around. Right. But we had gotten there a little bit early. So we went to the bathroom and just kind of wandered back to the dock. Yeah. And there was still nobody around. And then all of a sudden we found these like two kind of cute girls. Yeah.

Ladies, I should say, probably in their mid-30s or maybe a little older, and they were putting stuff on the ship, on the sailboat. And one of them, we walked over wanting to find out where we needed to be, and they came up to us and they said, you must be the Joneses. And we said, well, how would you know? If there's going to be 20 people on this ship, how would you know who we are? Yeah. And they said, well, funny thing about the sale this morning, you're the only two people that signed up. And I thought they were going to say, so we have to cancel on y'all. So I was like, oh, man.

And they said, so you two get a private charter today.

I and it was amazing sometimes i feel like i just have a big swinger horseshoe in my butt because here i am on a 60-foot sailboat it was a beautiful day there wasn't a cloud in the sky it was breezy but it wasn't windy enough where we could get under sail and i'm on this 60-foot sailboat sitting next to these three attractive ladies you and the and and the other two and they were serving us croissants and mimosas and fresh fruit and coffee talk to us you know we had a private you know tour where do you want to go and they told us where we should go for lunch and talked about the area talked about them for a while and then i think one of the funniest things oh and then we had like a dolphin swim right up next to the sailboat but one of the funniest things was we passed another sailboat about the same size or it was a catamaran it was a catamaran going the other direction and it was just dripping with people people were crammed on that literally like the whole rail around it was just solid people yeah so they were waving at us and we were waving like like we were owners of this sailboat yeah we charted this boat for the day yeah we're just having our crew take us out for our private i can't imagine how much it would have cost to charter a sailboat for two hours like that well i think the hidden meaning in there is not only was it a lot of fun but we went on this cruise because one of the things we were looking forward to is reconnecting as a couple because we've been doing a lot of stuff work-wise and family-wise and lifestyle-wise and we really needed this cruise to reconnect yeah so here was this we were not only were we on the cruise by ourself but we went on the sailboat it was just the two of us out there for two hours so it was a good start it was heaven i mean that was truly probably my favorite two hours of the week it was just so peaceful and fun yeah yeah and i think probably the most interesting thing that happened was we wore our black rings the whole week the whole week so if you don't know a lot of people in the lifestyle wear their black rings on their right ring finger right hand ring finger and that's supposed to indicate that you're in the lifestyle yeah so we met a couple yeah it was by chance like we were eating breakfast up in the buffet we had gotten omelets and and we sat down and and the table next to us had this couple yeah sitting at it and you, just typical good morning and didn't really say much.

And then, you know, as time went on, I, they said something and I think I commented on what they said. Cause I mean, we were literally sitting right next to each other and then we all started chatting and we kind of ended up hanging out with them a lot that week.

We did very attractive, um, had a lot in common about our age and, you know we we kept seeing them and kept eating with them and hanging out with them and and um it was the last night of the cruise yes it was the last night it was the last night of the cruise so the four of us were sitting in this really cool lounge uh in a in a setting furniture arrangement around a coffee table and soft music was playing and it was the last night of the cruise and she says something like, hey, I've noticed those rings on your fingers. Yeah, what do they mean? What do they mean?

Now, before you take over and talk about what you said, what I noticed was I was sitting, we were in a semicircle and I was to your right and they were to your left yes and as soon as they asked that question you like turn your entire back to me almost to like block me out of the conversation that's exactly what i was doing i'm like what what's going on after i glanced at you and gave you the major stink eye i said well why did you do that?

Because were nice people and and i and not that swingers aren't nice people but they it was not that there was no vibe no you were afraid that i was just going to come right out and say we're swingers yes that's exactly what i was afraid of and i didn't think it would be well received um so i just didn't want to go there so what did you say well i said everything i said was true yeah and it really wasn't like i didn't even really omit anything we were just kind of was vague about it i said well um they're just a reminder i said we wear them when we go on vacation and it's a reminder that um we are are committed to each other and that we're committed to keep having fun together and that um when we go out we um are open-minded about trying and exploring new things yeah and every time i tried to cut in you would just like, like you do in the podcast.

Sometimes you just like kept talking. I was talking right over you. And finally I got a word in and I knew why you were doing that. So I was enjoying myself and I, and I pretty much just added on to that, that, you know, it's a reminder that we're out here. We don't know anybody. It reminds us to be social, to meet new friends, you know, to know that we're here to make experiences. And when opportunities present themselves, you know, to take advantage of them because they may not happen again. Right. And then I think you sighed a little bit of a sigh of relief. Yeah.

I think she would have been maybe curious, not to do it themselves, but to know more about it. He was very nice, but he was actually kind of shy. And I was really more worried about what his perception would be than hers. I mean, and they were both really attractive. I thought she was really hot. Yeah, she was really cute. So anyway. We kind of opened the door a little bit. The black ring kind of worked. And we need to work on our... Because before we even went down there, I said, what are you going to say? What are we going to say if somebody asks about the ring? And we talked about it. Yeah.

But you still didn't trust me. No. You hurt my feelings. I know you well, Mr. Jones. You can be a stinker. Yeah, we tried to have good communication. Yeah. Which reminds me, so we have this coming week, we're heading to Atlanta. Yes. Oh, my gosh. It's like, what, five days away. We leave in five days. Yeah. I'm super excited. Yeah. And so among other things that we have planned, we're going to do a workshop on Saturday afternoon with Catherine on communication.

And I think it's funny because we tell people, you know, here we are trying to do a workshop on communication and we don't, it's like we're experts or something. We still miscommunicate all the time. We're a normal married couple. I know. I mean, that's just par for the course. I can give you an example. Oh, no. Here we go. He's on his phone right now. So speaking of communication, here's an example of how well we communicate. Oh, no. So the other day I was going out to the grocery store. Okay. And I was picking up something for me and I said, do you need anything? And I said, yes, of course.

No, you didn't. You said, no, I don't need anything. Okay. I said, okay, well, if you think of something, text me. So I get there, I go pick up what I was looking for, which was a birthday present or something for our grandson. So being the guy, on the way there, I decided what I was going to get. I knew exactly in the store where it was. So I came through the door. I went to it. I picked up the second one that I saw to make sure it was the right size. And I'm headed for the register. Oh, wait.

Back up the you left i told you what i needed but i didn't put it in writing we have this like grocery app on our phones because i've got evidence right here so so i get to the store and i'm headed i'm already headed back from the toy department to the register so i get all the way to the register and i get this text can you also get some shredded cheddar okay so if you'd have already told me Thank you.

department to the register so i get all the way to the register and i get this text can you also get some shredded cheddar okay so if you'd have already told me you wouldn't have said also can you also get some shredded cheddar i totally had told you so i so i go anyway i go from the register all the way back to find the cheese and i find the cheese and what is there there's 67 different kinds of cheddar cheese desperate text from no i text and i said okay what size because i'm looking at 8 ounce 16 ounce uh two pounds so i'm standing there and i'm standing there i'm standing there and i don't get a reply right away so what do i do i pick up the um 16 ounce i figured too many is better than not enough so i pick up the one pound thing i go all the way back to the register i get to the register and my phone dinked and then it says i'm sorry then it says two packages of eight ounces because there's cheaper than buying the 16 it is which doesn't make any sense but it's true i know so then i walk if i 50 cents, I will.

So then I walk all the way back to the cheese again. And as I'm picking up the cheese, I said, well, they're sharp. There's mild. There's extra sharp. So I texted you again and I said, sharp, mild, or extra sharp. And again, not a reply right away. So I said, well, I'm just going to get the Sharp. So I pick it up. I go all the way back up to the register. I'm about to check off. And sure enough, ding, get the extra Sharp. So then I have to walk all. And the lady at the register is looking at me like I'm crazy.

And I go all the way back to get the extra Sharp, packages of eight ounce cheese and finally make my way out of the so i don't know how many miles i walked in the grocery store going back and forth so what i'm saying is this is an example of our communication well we communicated perfectly and here we are going to give a workshop in atlanta on. Isn't that ironic? No, you brought home exactly what you're supposed to bring. I know. And you picked out a great gift for our grandson. I did. Yes. Anyway, we're about to talk about putting yourself out there. Lifestyle Profiles 2.0. Yes.

You know, this is like the whole first impression thing, know so you want to um not necessarily get it right but make your profile so it's the best most accurate representation of you yeah and so we thought that instead of just talking about this with the two of us we have good friends that um just started their own uh website. Yes, Double Date Nation. And we actually had the honor of hosting them. They came to our house and we were able to interview admin Andy and Double Date Dave. That's right.

And so what you're going to hear in the next segment is the four of us talking about, because if you're going to build a lifestyle website, you should know something about lifestyle profiles. Yeah, you would think. So we're going to talk about this topic with them and we're going to hear their input on lifestyle website profiles as well. Right. And I think overall what we need to say here also is that, you know, we have a presence on three different websites. Yes.

Because there's really not one that covers everything that we need like there's one that's local APG that we're on yeah and that's mostly mid-atlantic and region and then of course we've been on Cassidy for a long time that was our original website yeah we really like Cassidy and that's more of an entire United States if we're going to travel I mean it's good to reach out and meet people in other cities. And so, you know, we need Cassidy for that. Yes. And Double Date Nation is a newer website. And you're going to find out a lot about that.

And we'll talk about why that's our third, the third website that we have a presence on. Right. And I think they all have their own purpose. They do. Yes. And we'll mention this at the end, but we'd like to invite you to try Double Date Nation, just like we do with Cassidy. Our promo code for Double Date Nation is WGTPC. That's We Got a Thing Podcast, WGTPC. And if you use our promo code to try DoubleDateatenation.com, you'll get three months for free. Yep.

So when we come back, you'll get to hear not only about Double Date Nation, but just about lifestyle websites in general and lifestyle profiles and how to improve the one you already have or how to build one from scratch if you are new. So get your pencils out. Stick around. That's right. We'll be right back. Welcome back to segment two of our episode. And we are going to be talking about the top tips for improving your lifestyle profile.

Yeah, we don't have to do this by ourselves this time i know and like i wasn't allowed to like throw the seven sexy swingers sins or anything like that there's no number we're just kind of winging it yeah but we have some company that um but before we introduce them we talked about profiles in episode nine right about three years ago or more and we did We did that from of you and i having a personal profile we had a personal profile on what three different websites at that point yeah yeah and we were what about a year in right if that yeah so we want to talk about it again for a couple of reasons the first reason is because now we've been doing this for four or five years and we have a mini course on building a effective profile and we've reviewed a lot of profiles and we hear a lot from our listeners and we get a lot of questions so this perspective is going to be looking through all of the using the data that we've collected from um everybody that we've you know that's sexy mr jones i know look at the data i know um so that's one perspective the other perspective is that we have our friends with us they came all the way up here to visit us and podcast with us um dave and andy um you all may know them as double date double date dave they are the creators uh the architects the developers the founders the everything of the double date nation website that we've been promoting lately so we're going to let them introduce themselves and then the four of us and you'll find out why they are especially qualified to talk about profiles when you hear about all the work that they did to develop the site so i'll let you guys introduce yourselves and and as much as you're willing to to put out there well i'm double date dave i go by dave uh we've actually been avid listen listeners of your podcast for quite some time um but we we are the creators of double date nation and along with me is my wife andy yes.

And what about, okay, so we're going to talk a lot about Double Date Nation because we're crazy about the site. But what about, can you, you want to tell us a little bit about your, each other? Like how long have you been together? How long have you been in lifestyle and something like these things? Oh, well, we've been together, what, 10 years? Yeah, almost 11 now. And been married? Don't start. Come on, how long have we been married? I messed it up one time. He's pulling his wedding ring off. I look at the engraving on the inside. I think it's Andy. It was me. She doesn't remember.

I messed it up one time, and I have heard about it for the past few years. I still think you're doing math in your head right now. Six years, maybe. Been married six years, and we've been in the lifestyle almost three years almost three years yeah married almost eight wow so then briefly that was way off so whose idea was the lifestyle it was mine excellent yeah yeah i surprised him one day after work i love love to tell this story. Yeah, go for it. So one day I come home from work, and we had talked about the lifestyle for a while.

And I walk in the door, and she just looks at me and says, I don't want you to be mad at me. And I go, what could I be mad at you about? She goes, I signed us up for three lifestyle dating sites. And I go, three?

I can't be mad at you you're welcome thank you so at the that was like the beginning of her becoming a pro uh with the dating sites yeah so then you had already been talking about the lifestyle but do you remember when you started talking about the lifestyle like who brought that up the first time how did that come up i think that was me as well actually excellent two for two that was when we were in mexico yeah yeah just kind of you know widening the horizons and thoughts and the biggest thing about it was me as a husband i was concerned to express my fantasies and desires in the very beginning sure i don't want to offend her and i was like man i should have talked about these a lot yeah this would have been wonderful so she opened a can of worms she did she did yeah excellent well we'll talk more about that in a little bit but do we want to get into these top tips and this is probably you know i get accused mrs jones accuses me of being a little bit too structured and a little bit too like professorial you are sometimes you boring i know so i just kind of want to have fun and you know these are almost kind of like the top 10 pet peeves right you know when you when you look at a website and you're like you know that here we go again but there's not 10 of them no okay well i think what are we at like seven i don't know i lost count this is gonna say it's gonna be an unstructured podcast it's gonna be of them.

No. Well, I think, what are we at, like seven? I don't know. I lost count. This is going to be an unstructured podcast. It's going to be however many we end up with. Yeah, there's like a red light flashing above the podcast studio right now. Well, I think the way we were talking beforehand, there's four of us that are pretty passionate. I think we each have pedestals to stand on at some point during this conversation. Right.

I think we're passionate about things that we're looking for and things about um profiles that you see and you're like oh my gosh this again right so you know hopefully we can help you avoid some of those like typical profile pitfalls and then and then help you come up with some creative ways to really make yourself stand out okay Okay. Let's go. All right. Well, number one, should we just start with the big one? What's the big one? Be honest. Come on. Absolutely. It shouldn't be that hard. Come on, right. It shouldn't be that hard. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is.

Like eventually you're going to meet these people in person. Right. Well, be as honest as you can be. I mean, the way that I look at some of these profiles, they're like a resume or a job application. And I used to work in human resources. And, you know, I think probably mostly everybody fudges a little bit on their resume. What? Yeah. Not me. yeah so you're you're really putting yourself out there and if you're if your goal is to meet somebody eventually they're going to meet you and, and know if you aren't honest or not. So why not start as that, as that being the default?

Is that what we're saying? Yes. Well, I think another thing is, you know, you're trying to develop a connection. So putting your real self out there, I mean, that's most likely going to bring that other couple in that's going to benefit you the most. Right. So what about, I can hear what people are thinking right now. And that is, well, I can't be honest with, you know, where I work. I can't be honest with what I do. There's a lot I can't be honest about because of the nature of what we're doing. So how do we, what do we really mean by honest with what kind of information? All right.

As the old people in the room, I mean, be honest about your age. Like I'm not a young person anymore, but I'm pretty damn proud of how I've managed to hold myself together at my age. So, you know, when I meet somebody in person, they're going to figure out that I'm not 35 years old anymore. So let me just own my... You're not 45 either. Hush. I was going to say, let me own my 55 and be proud of my 55 because I'm working hard to hold my 55 together. Crazy. You look amazing.

She's doing quite well quite well yeah so so whether it's and we're going to get a little bit more specific about things but no matter what part of the profile we're talking about honesty should rule each particular piece of that profile yes so that's that's what we're saying with number one Right. And while I'm ranting about age, can I go there? Yeah.

of that profile yes so that's that's what we're saying with number one right and can while i'm ranting about age can i just can i go there yeah not everybody on lifestyle websites is 69 years old it's amazing how many of those are i know that's a sexy number but it's come on let it out like let it's let's all i think some people i think some people use it as a way to say that age is not relevant that that their pictures are obviously not 69 at least most of them look that way right and they're and i think what they're trying to say is um it doesn't matter to us but when you're in your 50s all of a sudden 69 so it would be helpful to put the real number in there right and i mean two episodes ago you know we were talking to a younger couple and we were talking about how age is just a number and you know you and i really like are grasping a hold of that you know desperately but it is it is a number but it's also a relevant number yeah and and you need to own your number right and be the best you can be at that number i think we're going to talk about some of those these other numbers as we move forward so why don't we go on to number two okay which is balance who wrote that one um you did oh okay i remember when we did our first profile together um i did not wait until my wife came home and then spring it on her that i had gone and opened three three lifestyle dating websites i wasn't i wasn't that bold but you ladies can get away with right stuff like that that's right so anyway we sat down one night after a couple of drinks and we went back and forth and we did it together we sat in front of the computer and we filled everything out our our bio my bio and you filled out yours and then we got to the sections about describing each other you know we we wrote that together no we wrote it individually like i wrote a paragraph about you like i talked about your beautiful blue eyes and I talked about how you had like this really smart ass sense of humor, but it was a very kind, smart ass sense of humor.

Oh, well, thank you. I think. No, but I remember we each wrote a paragraph about each other and, and it was, uh, I did that independently. Like we didn't do that together. But I described you and you described me. So that created that balance. I love that, too. Because you get, describing yourself is one thing. Because you kind of hold back and you're your own worst critic. Your partner is going to speak of you the way other people are going to see you. Right, right. I think that's awesome.

And I want people to know how much I love my husband and how amazing of a person I think I'm married to, you know, and vice versa. And I think that that makes us attractive. Yeah. So let me throw this out to the three of you. Can you tell when a profile is not written by both people?

And if so, what jumps out at you sometimes yeah i think so when i think when the male side writes about it it's can sometimes be a little more sexual or it makes i don't know it's kind of a it's just a different it kind of goes in different direction but i think you can tell when it's not done together i think yeah that Yeah, that's a good point because you don't have, like, Mrs. Jones sitting right next to me slapping my hands in. You can't write that. Right, right. You don't want to sound like that. That happens to you, too. Back space, back space. Does that happen to you, Dave? Oh, yeah.

You know, we have to kind of censor it, you know, make it to where it's acceptable and appropriate. But you've been together 10 years now, so are you better at at least your first draft being close to what you do? Oh, yes, absolutely. Is he really getting better? He's coached. I have coached him while he's been coached while, yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay, so meaning that, and I think another thing that a balanced profile shows you is that both people are equally invested in the idea of the lifestyle to begin with. Right. Next. Confidence. That's easy to say. It is. It is.

But, I mean, really, when you're creating a profile, be who you are. Be yourself.

If you're silly and you have a you know witty sense of humor you're you know like you said kind of a smart ass sense of humor show that in your profile be silly it's okay it doesn't have to be scripted it doesn't have to be like everybody else's profile and i think a lot of people kind of fall into that you know it's got to be a certain way and we have to list a certain thing and then everybody's profile sounds exactly the same true yeah what's the point in that yeah i think you use a term mrs joan do you usually say own it like what do you mean by that well i i you know like whether it's your your age or the fact that you're an you know you're a nerd like i'm a mathematician i'm mathematician.

I'm kind of nerdy. I'm sorry. You know, I, I have to own that. Like I'm not always like the suave, sexy, whatever I'm, you know, I'm a little uncoordinated, you know, I just, I own that. You're graceful where it counts. I think some of my flaws are a little endearing. I don't know. So just own who you are and, and represent who you are accurately. And somebody's going to find that interesting and intriguing. And that's the thing about the lifestyle is it's actually the most accepting environment that we have ever been a part of.

So, I mean, you can truly be yourself, know that you're not going to be judged. So that's a good point. you're if you've been in the lifestyle we hope you're listening to this as finding a way to improve your profile but if you're brand new to the lifestyle and you're doing your profile for the first time the tendency might be to if i'm going to be successful i don't i don't know anything about this community i don't know what i'm getting myself.

And you might have that more of a job application sort of a mentality, like what do I need to put on here so that I can attract the most people or I can get noticed the most.

And if you're not confident about who you are, you tend to put things on there that you want other people other people to think right you think they want to hear what you think people want to hear right and you know that isn't always going to represent your true self and and if it like you said if everybody says the same thing then and then once you get in the community and you realize that people aren't as judgmental as as we are on the outside world um and it becomes easier to be yourself and then it's important to go back and change your profile and you know learn from this you know hey i can be who i am and then make sure that that shows through again in every aspect of your profile your you know put your real age you know put your real photographs you know let your sense of humor come through whoever else you are right i mean if you are into game of thrones or you're into star wars or you know if you're into some nerdy like if you're a video game freak it's okay there are going to be other really sexy people out there that are really into video games.

You know, there's somebody out there for you if you represent yourself accurately. Right. Right. And we've also learned that when you're confident you're going to be sexier, you know, you're going to, people are going to be attracted to you because it's not just physical features. You know, if you're going to connect with somebody, it's, you know, your personality and everything about you.

And if you don't have the confidence to let that out and, and this even bleeds over, not just from a profile, but into a meeting when, you know, when you're connecting with people at a club or at a date to have that same level of confidence just you know be who you are and trust that you know i'm going to throw this out there and if they like me at least and if they don't like me at least i know that i did everything that i can to put myself out there but of course what's the danger and well i guess that's a question so why don't we do that generally speaking well judgment I'm going to take a moment.

I can to put myself out there but of course what's the danger and well I guess that's a question so why don't we do that generally speaking well judgment you don't want to be you want to be like everybody else and then it turns out everybody's just like everybody else so um you know just like what you said on a job application or on a resume when you well when you're single and you go on a date you don't show up and say say, you know, a lot of negative type comments, like, don't do this. Don't do that. Don't do this.

I see that in a lot of profiles, you know, you don't want to be just super, this is what you don't want to do to turn us away. Well, you don't do that. You don't do that in real life. So there's a negative connotation.

And then there's also kind of the blending with everybody everybody else so you don't want to do really want to just be you right ultimately i think another thing is the the confidence to revise your profile bio you know like as you grow like you said you know have the the willingness to speak about yourself and how you've evolved in this i think it's really great people we've met with and how their profile in the very beginning was very small very guarded and then is the more they got into it and they saw how accepting the lifestyle is they started yeah more bold and become more themselves oh that's cool yeah yeah or if you really want to be cool you just say at the bottom we listen to the we got a thing podcast right you're like're awesome, obviously.

People are going to be coming out of the woodwork. I'm rolling my eyes, but we've met a lot of our listeners, and we have some really sexy listeners. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we do. Yeah. Well, one thing I loved is I read a profile through that was pretty long, and at the end of it, they kind of gave a test to make sure you were reading the profile. Oh, no way. They said, so when you message us, yeah, they said, let us know your favorite type of ice cream. So I know you actually read the profile. If you don't mention that, then we're going to disregard. Yeah. Wow.

And what was your response to that? I love all ice cream. Good answer. I guess vanilla is not a very good answer.

Probably a good answer no second test yeah yeah anything else on confidence or did we get that one well confidence is rolling right in the next one okay sexiness okay what do we mean by that so how do you portray sexiness in a lifestyle profile without it being like over the top because i mean sexy is very subjective right and i have very strong opinions on sexy okay so let's just go ahead and ask the question what's the difference between sexiness and being graphic well you just said it well i mean what does that do what i mean if you're reading a profile though and you see something and it's all graphic the the language and the images what why wouldn't that you know what's the difference why does that does that turn you on does it push you away and what's the difference between sexiness because we be sexy, right?

We all want to have that attractiveness. That's a good question. I think the biggest difference between sexiness and graphic is that sexiness, you're leaving a little bit something to the imagination. Mystery. You know, having that mystery in there means the mind can wonder, can make things up.

And I think sexiness is, that's my vision of it when it comes to sexiness classy you know yeah yeah somebody in our community recently um the ladies were it was was it mardi gras or something and ladies were showing pictures of themselves with their bras on and we had a conversation later about that very thing that um you know guys are simple creatures. If you just show me your boobs, what I'm thinking about is touching them. Boobs. Boobs. Or licking them or something.

But when I see a sexy bra or I see, you know, something left in the imagination, then my curiosity kicks in and I say, oh, my gosh, that's, you know, that's really captiv really captivating and I want to know more about that person or I want to see more of that and so it it connects me more with the sexiness of the person and not the body part that I happen happens to be in front of me that I just want to latch myself on to because I'm a guy right right I mean yeah it's like you Watching watching porn i don't want to get to know the people that are the actors in the you know the porn movie that i'm watching i just want to watch the porn and like you know let it serve its purpose but when i'm looking at a profile and i'm reading about this person and i'm looking at their pictures i'm like i i want to have them uh portray this picture where it's like wow these are really cool people i would love to have dinner with them i would love to have drinks with them and and be able to talk to them and and you know kind of let me figure them out and and they have the opportunity to like kind of draw me into their web yeah kind of like peeling back the layers you want their personality to resonate with you and then it just kind of goes from there it's just it's dating in a sense it's just dating together so it's the same concept and i think that sexiness comes through and of course we go to pictures i mean i did you go to pictures first but also in i think what we think is sexy is the strength of somebody else's relationship and so when i'm you know reading about the um things that you like to do together or there are photographs of you at a winery or a brewery or a concert or something on the weekend you know something that shows that connection and in my mind that's sexy because i'm seeing a couple i'm not seeing two individual bodies.

Or if I'm the guy, I'm just looking, where's the picture of the girl? You're seeing the connection that they have. And to us, I think that's extremely sexy. Well, right, because we're social swingers, so we want to be friends with them. Right. So when we see a couple that's really connected, that's attractive. Right. So what else do you?

Okay, what do you ladies find sexy and guys come on this is your chance oh there's so many i know personality sense of humor wittiness of course wait wait i'm writing these down wait what is it that term that you sapiosexual oh yes love that love intelligence that's sexy yeah yeah you know i Back to the sense of humor You know That just If somebody can You know They can giggle my panties off Right I mean Seriously It's bizarre You make me laugh Yeah You know That was funny honey Wasn't it That was hilarious It was hilarious I don't see I don't see any clothing coming up i have these headphones in the way i can't get my shirt up okay you gotta put your money where your mouth is no give me a minute give you another drink yeah okay sexiness i think sexiness is just being authentic and then and then that is going to that just that intrigue i think what andy said about you know being a sapiosexual you know let me get into your head and and that's going to be sexy to me and then that's going to create that connection where i want to know more and i'm and i just don't want to let it go right so if you're you know andy you were talking about a profile that you read that had a quiz at the end but can you think of some examples of where a sense of humor has come through in a profile i mean how does somebody how does somebody you know convey in a couple of paragraphs that they have a sense of humor so when they make a comment or they state what they like and then they kind of put in parentheses yes yes, like legitimately, really, we do that, or, you know, that kind of thing.

And they're usually being very honest, which is, you know, it's a little unusual, so then they kind of feel like they have to follow up with, you know, something a little bit funny about it. But those are the best profiles to read. They're the most attractive people. And if the ladies are writing about their partners and you could actually put in there that we have good senses of humor, that would be helpful. You know, I have done that. Yes. Yeah. I think you're funny. Sometimes I laugh at you and then I grind my teeth afterwards. I know, you get mad. Damn, now he knows he thinks I'm funny.

No, I know that you think I'm funny. Oh, yeah, whatever. Sorry. I'm tutoring sin, sorry. That's right. damn now he knows he thinks i'm funny no i know that you think i'm funny oh yeah whatever okay at the risk of four different soap boxes coming out i think we need to move on to pictures oh my gosh here we go so many things all right yeah who gets to go first go ahead no no ladies first. Ladies first.

I'd say one thing that always kind of, it's a mysterious thing, but not in a great way, is when somebody has a picture of themselves and you can tell they've cropped out another person that they were, you know, they had their arm around or whatever. You wonder, is that your mom? Is that your, you know? Is it a picture you stole off Facebook? Is that your clergyman, you know? Right. Or your ex-wife. Right. Yeah. So it's just kind of like, yeah, just, you know, either crop it a little bit better or pick another picture. Maybe that picture wasn't meant to be. Maybe. Yeah.

So it's always just kind of. So that reminds me of the, um, the emoticon emoji duck face. You cannot stand that. No, because if that, especially if it's your profile picture, because what I see is emoji duck face you cannot stand that no because if that especially if it's your profile picture because what i see is a duck face and and the rest of the body is clothed and really has no perspective from the duck face not sexy so are you saying it's better to just crop the picture from the neck down versus put the duck over the face?

I think what I'm saying is that when you've done this for a while, you begin to understand what type of pose you need to be in. That when you crop down to the neck, that there's still something to look at that's interesting.

Like, for example, if you and I are standing side by side, and I'm almost a foot taller than you yeah we don't we're i'm you've that doesn't work well you've cropped me at my nipples yeah and there's my head the top of my head so we've learned that we need to be seated and we need to you know be where our heads are at the same level true and then if i have to pixel out something or if i have to crop it down a little bit you still see both of us so i don't think a lot of people take and think about that when they put oh here's a good picture of us and then there's a duck face or a clown face and then or you're you're cropping it and it doesn't you know what the original image looks like but when you put that out there i have no idea it's distracting that's what like you really want to look at the individuals but you look at those you just see those two faces completely covered with cartoon right it's a little strange sexiness doesn't really enter the mind no you think that i like blur yeah you know i have to ask this ask this question, ladies, but what about the dick pic?

Oh, my God. They all look alike. It's all the same. Don't. We've seen it. It's anatomy. It's not necessary. As long as it works, I don't really care what it looks like. Right. It's not about, right, what it looks like means nothing. Well, and as far as being your profile picture, I mean, guys, a majority of the people that work on these sites are men. Just know that. Thank you.

means nothing well and as far as being your profile picture i mean guys a majority of the people that work on these sites are men just know that i i mean that's just like if i'm on the site that's not what i want to see right so what do you want to see do you want to see a vagina picture i i like bikini pictures yeah so see the close-up of genitalia is not really necessary definitely not genitalia i'm not into vaginas either no it's again they all look pretty similar they do and you can use lights we've all got them yeah it's not like anybody looks at a profile and says you know she put her you know vagina picture on there and it was yeah or you know it was a little you know maybe not you know i mean you're not gonna say that so i'm not sure it's not a really good variable no so you can dim the lights you can you can use silhouette you know as a way something different yeah you know i've seen some ladies do some really creative things with their hair or turning their head a certain direction so that you can put their whole body in including their head but they're either looking away or their hair is is halfway covering their face right you know so there are some other sexy things that you can do to to put pictures yeah we're not saying that discretion is a bad thing we're just saying you need to be a little creative with that okay and how how old should the pictures be oh yeah you yeah.

You know, we remove pictures after two years. Well, and we usually put dates on them, too. Yeah. So that it'll say summer of 2018. Yeah. So we have a two-year limit. So if I'm going to have a 10-year-old picture out there, you're going to know it. Yeah. And I'm a little bitter.

Like when a picture will roll off because it's too old and it's a really good picture,'m bitter but like we let it go we just have to take other ones yeah gotta keep evolving you gotta yeah because things get stale too if you have the same pictures right you know right so i have i have a complaint and i'm thinking that my buddy dave is gonna jump in the bandwagon and support me on this one but you know what's frustrated me lately like mrs jones will have lingerie on and she'll say okay or or won't like when we're on vacation she goes take my picture i want you to take my picture and so i take like three pictures and then i say okay let's go and she's no i want to see them okay and then you go uh i'm jumping on the same boat yeah this one's no good and this one's no good do you have Oh, I have that problem all the time.

Oh, my gosh. Oh, man, when I take pictures of her, I try to take, like, 70 at the same time. So, because when she goes through, there's a certain thing, like, oh, no, don't like that one. No. I don't like that one. Right. Like, I try to take sexy photos of you. You, like, take pictures of me doing manual labor. You know, men and women are so different. It's so subjective, and it's... We got a manual labor picture of you yesterday, and it was quite nice. I'm just saying. Thank you. Earning his keep, yes. Let me just speak for Dave and myself and all the gentlemen out there.

You two ladies are very attractive, very beautiful.

I'm not really quite sure what it is can you explain it to us what I mean I look at a picture and I think that's amazing and then you'll say oh my shoes don't my legs aren't turned the right way my butt looks big in that picture I mean what do you what because when women look in the mirror we like i'm five foot four and i there is a certain section of my body that my eye goes right to it ignores the other five feet and it goes to those four inches that i don't like about myself so if you take a picture of me and those four inches are not situated properly it's all over yeah okay well i'm gonna go back up to number three the confidence part that we just talked about do we want to circle back and mention that now ouch he did that he just did that damn well i mean we were giving guys a hard time too because the dick pic and especially the guys that take the picture in the bathroom oh i love I love this with the toilet right behind them.

And I know what brand of toothpaste they use. But I have to say, one of the sexiest profile pictures I saw was a couple, they were laying in bed, and they were on their sides, and their legs were intertangled, but their torsos were on their on their back and they were looking up and evidently there was a mirror on their ceiling and one of them had the phone and you couldn't see that they had the phone and they took the picture of the mirror above the bed. And the reflection was just, uh, quite a, it was like eight feet up down into the bed.

And I said, I was like, how in the world did they take that picture?

And we happened to meet the people and he said oh yeah look right here that's where we had the the camera so there are people who are really good at selfies yeah we're not yeah then there's the older uh you know the people who you know can't does this look good and you know so sometimes selfies are just awkward to begin with and then you try to do selfies in their profile pictures and you have to have a talent for that definitely yeah well and one last thing on the confidence thing like one thing i do have to say is like i want her to have a picture that she likes i want her to feel confident in that picture yeah because like having that out there in the world like she it adds to her confidence level when she's out in public and everything so right i'm not really going to fight her on that ever you know i've actually started taking selfies of myself and because i'll post some pictures of myself in the mewe community and sometimes they're even face pics and um i i do better taking pictures of myself and and posting those because then i have full control over the angle and I can delete the ones I don't like.

And nobody yells at you when you delete them and retake them. Honey, that's a good picture. No, it's not. Can't you see this like blob of whatever hanging out, you know? And I, so I think I'm starting to kind of own that. And that makes me more confident because I have control over that. Right. And, and you know what's really hot? I just happened to think about when you were talking about that picture in our community. Typically guys like to post pictures and look at pictures, but you know, what's hot is when a woman is confident enough to post a picture of herself. Yeah.

That's sexy because you're like's not putting this out there i'm putting it out there right this is what i want people to see so the fact that the image really doesn't matter it's who it came from and the other thing about pictures that i like is there has to be some context to it you know there has to be some progression about what's going on in that scene it can't be just a body part or it can't be just a certain pose it's like if there's a story that comes along with it it's very intriguing um you know that that makes it sexy as well yeah and full body shots so we read about what is it oh it was uh it was an article done on zoosk zoosk yeah uh it's like a 209 increase in messages if you show a full body picture as your profile picture wow yeah so that so it's obviously more appealing to people to be able to see your entire profile and then they'll message you yeah that's a good tidbit that's like a pro tip 209 209 i i see i'm in analytics so that's really weird to hear that yeah okay full body shots yeah like it yeah but i mean that's who's going to walk into the restaurant right so go ahead and put it out there because eventually you're going to walk into the bar or the restaurant or wherever you're meeting these people and they're going to see the full body shot.

So that's actually a great idea. It goes back to being you. It's going to be you that shows up. So just be you from the get go. Okay. And while we're talking about pictures, I remember one time, Mrs. Jones, I brought you a profile early on, and I was going to try to convince you that we wanted to go out with this couple. And you looked at their profile. What was the first thing you told me? Well, okay, there were tons of pictures of the lady, and she was beautiful. There was one picture of the guy, and it just... It wasn't a flattering picture.

No, it wasn't a flattering picture and and there was only one right so i i didn't like i couldn't even give him a pass on okay that wasn't a good angle or whatever um that was all i had to work with so i was struggling because she was really pretty yeah so you ladies need to see more pictures of the guys yeah and i mean women are beautiful so sometimes guys may feel like they kind of let themselves go or what it still it goes back to being real you still need to just be you and it just leaves a lot of you know leave the drama at the door and yep don't overthink it i think it kind of goes back to the balance thing kind of have like a balance of pictures of both both of you in the couple i know one of the biggest things for me is I don't overthink it.

I think it kind of goes back to the balance thing. Kind of have like a balance of pictures of both, both of you in the couple. I know one of the biggest things for me is I don't like profiles that are only the woman because I really want, I want to see who's going to be with my wife. Like in security and also a little bit to the sexual nature of it. And let me go. Hey baby, you're going to like him.

Well, we, we equally share the kind of the same thought and fantasy of seeing our you know our each other with somebody else right and so that's you know if you don't know who it is ahead of time you're not gonna you're just gonna assume it's bad and that's not good yeah you know true that's a good point because i want to be able to to somebody just heard i can't remember what podcast i was listening to but somebody said the first thing that i do is i want to know about the guy because if i can't if he's not somebody that i can sit down and have a beer with or whatever you know share a story with then i'm not going to be i'm not going to be able to relax enough to enjoy my wife or his wife nor am i going to allow him to you know it's going to be too much of a distraction right but I think what I learned what you taught me Mrs.

Jones is damn it don't bring me profiles that don't have pictures of the guys because because that's and I find myself that's the first thing I do I mean there's all these words right in front of me and I click into the photo album guilty well and I of course I like a handsome guy I mean I'm not you know I'm not blind but I I don't need to be with a Hollywood beautiful guy I need to be with an authentic guy and and I need to be with a guy that can like own who he is and and I'm gonna find that again because i'm sapiosexual i i'm gonna find that sexy so if he doesn't even have the confidence in himself in himself to put a picture on his profile then that's not we're we're really like gonna have to dig ourselves out of a hole here i mean all these years and you you didn't you're not attracted to a hollywood guy what well i don't need anybody else i've got you right okay with your beautiful blue eyes and there's your fantasy no i just i really um i i really want the guy to be confident in himself and then and then that's going to carry over into my attraction with him so if he hasn't put pictures on his profile why not yeah well i think it goes back to what dave was saying about balance it's the guy that put the profile together it's the guy that uploaded all the pictures didn't even think of or if he did oh here's one of me at, or here's, you know, one with me out working in the yard or whatever, but there's no thought.

It's almost like, and I wonder if it's also back to the confidence thing. I wonder if it's that just a lot of guys are thinking, look, who's going to be attracted to me.

Obviously it's going to be my wife that gets us the ticket to the dance, you know there may be a lot of that you know thought into it as well well you know back to what dave said you know when you when you see that picture of the the guy and you want to be able to trust the guy i want to see the couple together so that i know that the guy's in love with his wife right because if he's in love with his wife and then he's having sexy fun with me, then he and I can take a pause in the middle of play and we can watch our respective spouses having fun together. And, you know, and that's really hot.

But if I'm not seeing that connection between them, then I'm wondering why does he want to have sex with me? You know, the whole thing just gets a little off kilter and that, and that kind of takes away from the fun. If you're a couple and you're on the site, you're representing yourselves as a whole. So if you are on, if you're a single person on a single site, you put a picture of your face on. So why would you only put half of, you know, if you're a couple, it's the same thing.

It's like being on a single site and putting a picture of your face on so why would you only put half of you know if you're a couple it's the same thing it's like being on a single site and putting a picture of your ankle saying here you go yeah it's like that's not the full picture so it's the same thing it's like having no picture on a single person site yeah you gotta have both okay i think we've beat up picture. Yeah. Okay, the next one is be real. What's that mean? Well, be yourself.

Like, if you have certain interests or you have certain, you know, hobbies or certain passions or certain fantasies, put them out there because somebody is going to latch on to that. So be authentic. Yes. Okay. And share something that you like to do. Mm-hmm. Like what? Well, like, for example, you and I are runners. Wouldn't it be so cool for a couple to reach out to us and say, hey, we're going to run a race in some exotic place. Would you like to come with us?

And for us to be able to have time to get to know them and and then have that that really like everyday commonality with somebody that could turn into sexy fun the one thing is i say as far as being real is and i kind of mentioned this earlier was a lot of people write what they don't want in their profile yeah and that's that's fine. There's, of course, there's always a, um, there's things you don't want, but you gauge that when you talk to somebody and you meet with them and so forth, but sounding super negative is not sexy.

Um, you want to just be kind of light and airy and, you know, you make that determination when they contact you.

So, positive yeah i mean obviously you don't want somebody with a disease or you know i mean that's that's kind of understood and that's kind of a that's kind of a buzzkill you know so it's not it's not really a part of being authentic when you have to say and i i think what is it disease and drug free so you see ddf all over the place on these that's what you're talking about right and like with guys you know we see what we see hwp high weight proportional oh geez right so what's the what's the math behind that i really like you can't really determine a person is high weight proportional i was like don't put that there because you know you might see somebody who they considered not to be like i you but you can say women may find themselves not high weight no woman finds themselves exactly weight proportional no yeah so it can cut off a lot of your potential meetings i can think of another negative one about being real and that's when people put in all caps no drama yeah and who wants drama like like if you if you want drama put it in there if you don't want drama hello right like that's pretty obvious right the obvious exactly but isn't the fact that somebody took the time to put all caps no drama isn't that in and of itself pretty dramatic it's very dramatic yes right yeah so what you know what kind of issues that they had in the past that you know they're They're good.

no drama isn't that in and of itself pretty dramatic it's very dramatic yes right yeah so what you know what kind of issues that they had in the past that you know they're they're going to be bringing into the bedroom right so you're taking up space saying these negative things or things that really aren't that important or that everybody wants or doesn't want instead of focusing on the positive or the authentic the authentic person you have the authenticity of your relationship, the authentic couple that you are. Oh, there's another one. Straight. All caps. Straight. So you're bi-curious.

Just don't say it multiple times. It's in your profile at the top. You don't have to emphasize it in all caps at the very bottom no or in the middle and then your wife doesn't have to reiterate that because then we begin to think well you know what maybe maybe you are it's okay you don't have to say it that many times right and let me backpedal a little because we're not making fun of people that are straight or we're not making fun of people that are not not straight. Oh, no, absolutely not.

Be clear about what your fantasies are and what your interest level is and who you're trying to connect with.

So when you're throwing these red flags out there multiple times, I'm straight, I'm straight, I'm and you're using you know all caps in various places throughout your profile that's confusing people i mean that's the bottom line so yeah we're it's kind of you know humorous and we're laughing about it but you are confusing people if you collectively put this all together if you read a profile and it said ddf ddf disease drug free hwp straight no drama I'm not going to want to be with you because that's just too much i have to worry about like what's really going on here can i just say girls have it so much easier you know i think men are much more concerned about putting their true desires out there especially if their desires are bisexual in nature nature.

Yeah. You know, everybody likes boobs. Guys like boobs. Girls like boobs. Like girls like each other. I mean, we're just, we're soft and we smell good and we have fun together. And I think men have a lot more of a struggle in being their authentic selves in their profile.

And I want to speak up for the gentlemen who are bi-curious or bisexual because when somebody else puts that if you have enough courage to put that on your profile good on you but then there are other profiles out there that keep saying straight and that's almost intimidating to other men that they feel like well i can't put it out there because there's this fear that still exists in the community or if you are a bisexual man you're going to be more afraid to maybe put that out there because you see all of this straight out there and your perception might be well this community is not very open-minded so I don't feel safe putting myself out there so i'm sure that's too bad it is too bad yeah so the stigma continues into where it shouldn't you know where it's a safe zone it continues outside of the lifestyle and then it continues inward i kind of like it going back to what you said about taboo you know technically you know you want to be driven like taboo makes you kind of want it a little bit more and you don't really know that into the experience so yeah that's part of the big reason why you're in this isn't it honey i think so i'm i'm very much a rule follower yeah so this is like completely like the whole lifestyle is completely outside of my comfort zone but then you know once i put that rule follower person to bed for the night thank goodness you know then it then it's pretty amazing to to be able to let my authentic self come out yeah so i think there's one more thing we need to talk about what grammar oh my gosh yeah i know grammar does not end with er oh start with that it doesn't there you go that's why i do the site yeah that's why i manage all the profiles that's why she does i have my very own spell check yeah she's the brains and the beauty folks it's not the math only back to mrs jones well let me play let me play devil's advocate a little bit what about if i'm using slang or if i'm of a certain generation and i'm used to abbreviating you know things when i talk what do you say about that um it's i mean that's fine if you with that generation.

That's something that you do. To me, your is not you are. Right. You know. It's not. But there's nothing wrong with that either if that's what you like. Yeah, if you're casting a wide net, there are things that you can do that are narrowing that net and you're not even thinking about it.

Right i think just about everything that we've talked about tonight it's going to eliminate people and you're unknowingly eliminating a lot of people if you're doing a lot of these things that we've talked about if you're not doing them the right way and then people wonder why am i not getting a response does nobody us? This lifestyle isn't what people told us it would be. Right. And it's just, it's all about first impressions. It is. This is your first impression. Yeah. And then people just pass it right up. It's not friendly and inviting and something they want to see.

A lot of the things that we've talked about tonight are pretty much our philosophy about the lifestyle all wrapped up into one. Yes. And I think one of the things that we've struggled with over the years is now that you have this profile, like you mentioned earlier, Mrs. Jones, that we were on three or four different dating sites to begin with. Right.

And we're kind of an anomaly now because we honestly do not have individual profiles on any dating sites anymore right everything we have now is we got a thing so right but we do have a lot of people that contact us and ask us to review their profiles right which is kind of fun yeah yeah so now that we've talked about all this stuff we really want to ask you guys you know you you've gosh there there are a lot of dating websites out there some of them have been around for a long time and some of them have a lot of people and there's already a lot of networks out there yet you guys thought something and then i'm going to ask you what that something is something something led you to say, you know what, we can do this.

There's something missing in this space, or we can do or add something to this that is not being served. And we believe we can fill that space with a lifestyle website. So can you tell us a little bit more about how Double Date nation came about and what what were you thinking who was it you again andy that started this no i don't know it may have been a joint a joint thought i think um we just wanted to create a a friendly community something that people could kind of branch off into their fantasies and their thoughts and, and not feel like they have to jump in headfirst.

Um, and then that was one of the things when we first got into this, like we felt, um, it was overwhelming. It was so sexual and we were just blown away by everything that we were seeing.

And as the more we got it we realized it's more about connections it's not just about the sex um that's definitely a segue into it but you know we wanted to build an environment that people who aren't in this are welcome and people who are in it love it just as much yeah so there's room for everybody The newbies, as we all were at one point you know kind of just inches their way in and sometimes like you said it can be a little overwhelming if it's just like jumps right into sexual you feel like you have to um offer an expectation on any kind of meeting or arrangement or well that's why we have the double date yeah exactly no expectations oh yeah that's a preference we were always on these other sites and we're like it's it's either soft swap full swap or and we were just like well what about if you just want to go out and have sexy conversation that you would not have with your vanilla friends right exactly right like some of the greatest conversations the most sexy conversations were not geared towards sex afterwards it was just sexy in the moment some another couple who's open-minded and you know isn't going to be judgmental and is going to listen to you and give you that space to have that conversation and that freedom so what led to i mean was that the fundamental design of the kind of the strategy or I don't know.

that conversation and that freedom so what led to i mean was that the fundamental design of the kind of the strategy or of the philosophy of the site then that's the philosophy of it okay that was the the foundation of it other than making a user-friendly website that's secure friends yeah a lot of our friends we met with said you know we where is something that's a little more um up to date or modern and um security was a big question with with people and it's all a bunch of question marks so there wasn't anything there just wasn't so i want to talk about those two things and and i'll be the bad guy because you guys are in this business um what i've noticed is you know some sites are are better than others some sites are used more because of the number of people they already have.

Some sites are used because of the region of the country where more people are. But time after time after time, what I've experienced is regardless of the technology, it's almost like nothing ever changes. There's no new features there's no new interface there's no new way to navigate the functionality never changes and i'm in a business that uses web sites a lot and and i see other businesses and i see other dating sites and i see everybody moving along in technology and taking advantage of these platforms and tools that are out there.

So, you know, do you have a theory or a thought about why others don't do that? Or would you rather just talk about why you do do that? I think the biggest thing the other sites think is if it's not broke, don't fix it. Oh, okay. So it's working for them. Right. But our philosophy was a little different. Like a lot of the features that are currently in Double Date were from users giving suggestions. Like my favorite one was we had a person come and say, is there any way when I log in I don't have to see dick pics right up on my home screen? Right.

So we developed the Not Safe for for work filter so as soon as you just log in if you don't want to see that kind of stuff it it changes and that was the thing we wanted an environment for everybody to feel comfortable those who can you talk talk about that practical what do you what do you mean by you do you mean if i if i opt to to not want to see that then it's going to automatically filter or it how do you know that a picture is explicit so every picture on our site goes through an approval process oh okay so it's either marked as nude explicit or safe oh okay uh when you trigger the not safe for work filter it blurs everything that's nude or explicit oh okay so the second you turn that on it so you're not going to get if you have your coffee up to your mouth and the screen pops up you're not going to spill it all over yourself exactly exactly oh that's cool so what else were people asking for uh so the escape button that was a big thing so people a lot of people check their their messages and whatnot at work which i was might have been guilty of doing that um but quick, quick escape.

You hit a, you know, there's a little X at the bottom of the screen. You hit that and it takes you to a URL that you choose. So it's Facebook, the weather channel, right? I just wanted to see if that darn storm. Um, yeah, so that was a, that was a lot of, we've had so many different requests and people reach out. It's been nice because we've been able to implement what people ask for. It may take us a little bit, but we note everything that people comment on and ask for. It's made for the users, essentially. That's the main goal. It's kind of like today.

You logged in and saw a different change on the site. I did. I didn't even have a chance to tell you. I know. Well, you told me a couple days ago it was coming, and I kept going in there looking for it. Yeah. So we're constantly updating. We actually have a mobile app that should be coming out in the next six to eight months. Oh, excellent. Lots of bells and whistles and little special things that are going to be associated with that.

Well, what I like about it, one of the things that people always complain about, and these would be the website owners, is they even make some rules up like, don't leave our site to go personal message somebody. Can you talk about how Double Date Nation allows you to connect with other people? So the biggest thing I want to put together is that we want our site to be inviting where people stay in it. If they want to leave through another messaging platform, you can. Within Double Date Nation, we actually have a fully encrypted messaging system.

So every message that you send through the site is secure, encrypted.

In my opinion, it's better to have all of that in one place than going off to one of the other social chat platforms so it lowers your risk because you're staying in a safe environment correct so you can you can send pictures back and forth you can send pictures to the messaging system that gets encrypted everything okay and can you do like can you make your own messaging group not yet okay can you write that down that's gonna be coming that will be coming because that would be like almost like having a kick like application within the website yeah that's the goal to create that in the next year or so just to kind of eliminate having to go outside of everything because we have so many people use whatsapp they use kick they text you know and we've got all of these things me we going on on the outside but if we had uh everything in that environment and you're nodding your head because you already know all this stuff so well and the biggest thing about it is there are certain things that we have in the works that don't exist yet and that's one of the biggest things that i want to start creating is things that's not anywhere right so oh okay so that's where a lot of the suggestions are going to come from with how people use it i love feedback yeah so and how about um let me ask you this so a lot of times it's hard to find help and it's hard to get support um we've we've worked with other we're affiliates with a few other sites and companies and sometimes because we mention things like this in our podcast if people get frustrated they'll reach out to us and say hey can you reach out to them we're not getting any kind of response i have to say that every time somebody said something about double date nation before i even had a chance to message you, you'd already like fixed it.

That just doesn't happen. So how are you handling all of the support? We're super, I mean, it's all we do. So if you reach out, you're talking to us or we have one other administrative assistant that helps us. So it's very personal to us.

We want everybody to be, you know, spoken to and to and their you know their thoughts to be heard or their concerns if they have an issue or they can't get signed in or whatever right um it's it's very important so it's nothing goes unheard you know it's nobody's ignored it's not oh here you are you've got a you know a profile on our site now we're not concerned about you um that'll never be the case okay yeah and we have a support chat system on the website that goes directly to my phone directly to my computer it will always so they're getting you they're getting us yeah they're getting dave or andy okay yeah um i want to touch on security and i have to be careful with this because it's misunderstood.

And the reason it's misunderstood is, first of all, a lot of us take it for granted. We do our banking online. We share. We shop online. We shop online.

We do all of these things online, and I think sometimes we just take for granted that it's funny that you might not even think twice about sending your money through the mail but as soon as you put your picture on on a site like this you're concerned that somebody's going to come steal it and i know that security companies have marketed their products by pointing out deficiencies elsewhere which may not be completely accurate and i know my I know just like I said earlier, I know enough to be dangerous.

I know that there are different levels of security that are necessary for different parts of a site. So can you talk about how you approached security, how many different layers they are, and what is that comparable to that we would use on a day-to-day basis? So there's so many different levels of security. One, there's what you actually have on the site. So that's going to be the people's conversations, their pictures, and that is fully encrypted on our servers.

The only really truly identifiable information is going to be credit card information, billing information, and that's not even stored on our site. That completely goes off site with secure token and our credit card processing company takes and handles all of that. Okay. Can you talk about, what do you mean when you say it's encrypted? What is that supposed to mean to me? So imagine that you're, you're trying to, you're a hacker and you're trying to get a message. Okay. Well, say somebody got that message.

the message is encoded in a way where they couldn't view it without going through tons and tons like an endless amount of years of work just to decrypt whatever they got and they don't even know what they have okay so there's a security to access it to begin with and then the message itself or the photograph itself is is encrypted itself correct so it's scrambled okay so even the administrators of the site you know the people that we work with to develop the site or fix anything it's all encrypted to them as well so it's it's not accessible okay by anybody and there's a different then is there a different level of security like credentials logging in and things like that or where that fit into it?

So you have your standard login protocol where you do email address and password. Right. Your email, of course, is validated. Right. There are failed login attempts, and it'll lock you out. Right. And then you have to contact us, verify your account. Right. I'm trying to think of what else we have. We're working on the, was it two-factor?

Two-factor authentication-factor authentication okay so if you you're really concerned about security you'll have to be receive a text message with a specific code right before someone can even log into your account okay and that's going to be up to the user to right to request that okay and how does okay you you've just described like a suite of or an environment of of safety safety and security. What would you compare that to? Like in the, in the banking shopping? I like to compare it to banking and, you know, our SSL certificates are, you know, bank grade.

You know, we try to model our security off the most secure environments past PCI compliance. Right. And yeah. Well, I mean, privacy and money is the two most important things to anybody. So that's, you know, that's, it's equally as important. Okay. Um, people have this fear, you know, this is taboo. Um, we want discretion.

Um, I'm don't want to know if I want to put my face out there or not, even if it's a private album, you know, so understanding a little bit more about security and layman's terms, I think is important so that we don't automatically have this fear that somebody's going to break in and somebody's going to get my photo. Now this doesn't preclude anybody that already has credentials and we're already friends from screen grabbing a photo or something like that. So, you know, just be clear. There's still some sort of risk for those that you allow to connect with you. Right.

Have you had any issues yet or security? No? None. We do weekly security audits just to see if we have anybody trying to attempt to get in. Haven't had one yet. Oh, good. So what's the, are you happy with how the site is growing and where do you see it going in the future? It's going so fast. It really is. It's growing so much faster than we anticipated, which is awesome. It's just, it's a lot of great feedback. It's just great. It's a lot of pressure to continue to upgrade it and make different features. It keeps you on your toes.

keep you working well i think it just shows the need for a quality site that is user-friendly and is secure and safe well we all we all have a common friend uh and when i first told her about the site she immediately started peppering me with i think they should do this i think i was He's like, whoa here here's dave's email you know you just go tell him directly and she's been uh sending you information or ideas ever since we love it we love it yeah i mean any suggestions i mean that's what makes it good for everybody you know we there's things that we are not going to think about that are suggested that a lot of people are thinking about.

So that's great. And we're open to that feedback too, because we talk to you guys a lot and you know, we have our own community and we're always getting feedback there. So, you know, it's great, Dave and I, you know, you guys, we talk a lot and I share, you know, what our folks are asking for.

And you know, when you go to double date nation, you're going to see we got a thing prominently on there and and vice versa because we have a pretty tight partnership and it's not it's not about um i mean of course this is a business right but what attracts mrs jones and i to double date nation is your philosophy of the lifestyle dovetails with our philosophy of it perfectly. And so that's why we wanted to have you on. That's why we wanted to pick your brains about profiles and hear more about Double Date Nation. So where do you see this going? What's going to happen?

Well, I mean, the whole idea was so personal to us.

The lifestyle was just life-changing it really was so it this is a this is a it is a business but it also is a i don't know it's a it's just from the heart you know it's just from within us it's something that we love so i mean we just see it growing we're going to continue to promote it we're not going anywhere it doesn't matter how fast or slow it grows and continue to invest in it it's going to be ever changing time and yeah it's our this is our baby yeah well whenever we have somebody on you know whether it's katherine or or other friends it's always reassuring to me to hear that when you're in this business you are also in the lifestyle because you know firsthand what it's like to struggle with a profile you know what it it's like to be frustrated with a website.

You know all of these things. And you're now trying to share that out with people to make it easier, just like we did with the podcast. I mean, part of our reason for podcasting is because, you know what, we screwed a lot of things up. There weren't a lot of resources out there to begin with.

So why don't we be resource you know why don't we try to pass this along because like you just said andy it's been so transformational you know in our lives too so that was really what resonated most besides it's a really cool website and i just i appreciate the fact that it's about making connections with people and if those connections lead to sexy fun then that's just the icing on the cake but i think there's just there's so many people out there that are just looking for um friendships that that don't have um definite boundaries you know that where they can kind of explore themselves without being judged and and I think that your website just really encourages people to just dive in there and see who's out there that they might have a commonality with.

So there's a couple of ways that people can find you. And I'll tell you one, and you can tell them the other one.

One is to come to our website and click through click through to double date nation and we have a promo code and if you use our promo code which is wgtpc for we got a thing podcast wgtpc you get to try it for 90 days or three months yes three months free yeah okay yeah and where can they find you what's your website what's is i mean we've said you can find us at doubledate nation.com yeah great literature and great grammar i did not write it right yeah no it's yeah it's it's you know it's uh you we want you to friend request us we want you to you know we always encourage people when we make posts or even in our little nerdy youtube channel you know really if you friend request us it's us it's not somebody that's paid by the hour it's you know that's in some other country i mean everything's you see what you see what you get so we're gonna we're gonna link your youtube channel to our show notes but i have to say you guys need to go look at your two first you've got two videos out now right i know we're working on more the first one is hilarious i haven't seen the second one yet but the first one is hilarious we are not professionals and that's the beauty of it well Well, you're professional website builders.

You're not necessarily professional YouTubers. Let's make that distinction there. Well, the funny thing is, is our choice and name for the YouTube channel was the celibate swingers because we work so much on the website. We don't have time to play with anybody. So that's it. And people are like, what do you mean the celibate? It's like an oxymoron. It's confused everyone. It's not really. It's not an oxymoron. It's legitimate. We just don't have time. So if people want to reach you, they can go to Double Date Nation.

Is there a way to contact you from the main page, or do they have to sign up before they can come? There's a contact page on doubledatenation.com. So if you have any questions, feel free to reach out. Yeah. Okay. Well, we encourage, we're members. We've been there from day one, and we have a group in there that continues to grow. Yep. And we, the four of us, have some long-range plans that we're not quite ready to talk about yet. No? Excited, though. Yeah. Yeah, it's all pretty exciting. Lots of what-ifs going on. Yeah. I know. It's a mystery.

Speaking of what-ifs, I think it's about time to go make dinner. Yes. Might have to grill some steaks. I think that's a great idea. Well, you guys made a heroic effort to travel to Virginia to be here, and we certainly appreciate you doing that.

And we wish you the best best and we're going to continue to promote double date nation and support you anyway we can yeah highly recommend it to those of you out there who don't have you know a lot of people don't even have a presence on the site just because they don't trust that stuff's not going to be shared so we would encourage you to dip your toe in with We Got a Thing and Double Date Nation. Yeah. Well, and thank you very much for having us. Thank you. You're welcome. It's definitely our pleasure. Well, I see some empty glasses, so let's go get a refill. Okay. All right.

We'll be back in a minute with some snapshots.

welcome back to our snapshot segment but before we get into the fun stuff we just want to take another moment to thank um andy and dave for coming all the way over to virginia and recording with us and oh my gosh we had so much fun yeah it was it was a lot of fun and we we wish you guys the best and um i learned a lot too so yeah i thought it was really good and hopefully all this information will help you all no matter what website you're using and no matter how long you've been in the lifestyle yeah you know we can always use a a refresh yeah and when you don't join ddn you actually you can come find us because we're on there and we have our own group yeah we'd like to be friends yeah please so we had some friends over recently and this was the second time we We met them, gosh, sometime last in 2018.

I think last summer. Yeah. over recently and this was the second time we we met them gosh last sometime last in 2018 i think last summer yeah we went out to dinner together and we hit it off and with schedules and everything else it was finally it took us a long time to get back together but they ended up we invited them over uh for a saturday evening yeah and fortunately i mean didn't really know how the, how the time was going to go here. I think I was hopeful from being fully transparent that something would happen. Um, and sure enough, we ended up having stakes. Yeah.

That's always a good sign. Anyway, um, really like these guys, uh, came downstairs, I've got into the playroom and we'll just kind of cut to that part of it. Oh, we started out on the massage table. Oh, that's true. That's always a really good transition. That's not a part of our snapshot, though. No, but it's a good transition. Yeah, it was.

Because what happened was, since you brought it up, you two ladies, he was getting a four-handed massage yeah which quickly turned into just a two-handed massage because I walked up behind her and you know I'm not going to massage him that's just not my thing so I started rubbing her shoulders and caressing her and then she took her hands off of him and turned around. And then I think you started kissing him. And so the massage ended not too long after it started. Well, you waited until we had flipped him over. So he was on his back. I mean, I wanted him to get his money's worth.

Well, I think I gave him his money's worth. I think you did. That's what we're going to get to. So things really heated up quickly in the massage room. So we moved over. I think I suggested, why don't we go get in that nice big bed because we don't want to break this massage table again. And anyway, you all started in and she and I started in.

And I've, you know, you've had some experience we've had some experiences lately where you know the guys have had some performance struggles and so I'm extra in tuned and you know as to what's going on over there right well you and I have kind of changed our rhythm a little bit and that's helped the situation yeah so I'm thinking because I'm you all know if you've listened to us for a while i'm usually the one that's that starts first and ends first but i've been getting better so i was going down on her and and she went down on me and we were kissing and i looked over and he already had a condom on and well that's because he and i had gotten pretty hot and heavy with the massage right right so he was ready to go and next thing i know i mean he's on top of you and you and he is performing there's no doubt about that yeah he's in really good shape too and you two were fine and so but i was in the middle of she and i were just in the middle of a little bit of soft play and i was enjoying myself and so finally i said well let me go ahead and get my condom on and i asked if that was all right and and finally you know got it on and so she and i started full swapping and about that time i heard him say to you you're going to have to slow down it was too late for me.

So I didn't know any of that. The only thing I know is I hear him say, I need you to slow down. So then she and I kept ramping it up. And then I didn't hear much from that side of the bed. It was kind of, it wasn't he was he's not real vocal and so i looked over and the two of you were standing um at the side of the bed um making out and then i thought okay i know what happened probably she slowed down and he's uh you know settled down a bit and he's because i because i thought know, he had asked you to slow down because he was about to have an orgasm.

So I figured he had calmed down and you guys were going to get back in the game. But you never did. That's because I didn't calm down. He told me to slow down right when I was getting rid of that. You can tell your side of it in a minute. My side's really good.

I i know but if you we don't need any leaks from the future if whatever you my mind's not going to make sense if they know the end of the story so anyway i'm but what's going through my mind is i'm always the one that finishes first right and that i also know we've been struggling with guys performing and i look over and i see you standing next to the bed making out and it looked like either you know he had taken a break or you know he was waiting to recharge so at that point in time i started slowing down on my side of the bed i'm so proud of myself because i said i don't want to do this because they haven't finished yet and i don't know what's going on so i slowed down i pulled out of her she and i just started kissing and then you came over to the bed and laid down with me right right because i think he had gone to the bathroom or to get a bottle of water or something yeah so i snuggled up to the two of you right and then the two of the two you two ladies kind of started fooling around together and kissing so i excused myself right yeah yeah i said okay well let you have some lady time so i got up and i went and got a bottle of water and he and i were standing at the doorway into the playroom watching that's right because i was going down on her at that point yeah right so i was we were watching you too of course we're not going to complain about that it was hot to watch and then he like gestures for me to he said why don't you go going back in and and remember i'm thinking that he hasn't finished you know so i'm i said okay so i go and sit in the bed and start in between you and then i look back at him and i kind of waved him over i said well you can you know come on back in too because i'm thinking he needs to re-engage like I am.

Well, so my snapshot is, and he kind of shrugs his shoulders. I wish there was a video to show this, so I'll try to describe it. He kind of shrugs his shoulders, and he takes his two index fingers. And he has a stupid grin on his face. And he points down to his cock, and he goes, I'm done.

And it dawned on me that he had already had an orgasm, and didn't know it and so at that point in time it goes from oh my gosh i need to slow down and he i need to give him time to re-engage with you to i wait a minute i'm the last one it just i haven't finished yet and so i started back in with her and fortunately was you know able to you know to finish but so the snapshot was really cool because he it was like he did two things he gestured and he said I'm done and he pointed down and then he just said he gestured over to the bed like I'm giving you permission go go go be with my wife so it was really cool communication between he and i to do that because i felt like he was encouraging me and then he was giving me permission and then the other thing that i felt that i don't usually feel is that you two were done and i felt like oh they're watching me you know am i going to be able to finish because they're watching me and now i know what it feels like to be on that side of the coin because normally i'm the the one that's watching, waiting for somebody to finish, or not waiting, but just enjoying the show.

So I definitely felt a little bit of pressure there to, you know, to get her back to where she was, and then to be able to finish with you all watching me. But anyway, it was really a different dynamic. And I really appreciated the way that he communicated with me and finally dawned on me what happened. Well, yeah, I mean, it was kind of my fault that it ended, but it wasn't like it ended too early. Wow, there's no fault to go around. No. You were responsible for it. I think it was a success for everyone, but, you know, he and I were just having fun.

Is this your snapshot or are you just commenting on mine? No, this isn't mine because it's the same evening. I mean, it's the same event. So, you know, when he said, I need you to slow down, he said it right when I was getting ready to have an orgasm and it wasn't going to stop. So did you lock your ankles around his back or something yeah i think you did something like that yeah yeah and then he was done but it was spectacular it was totally worth it and what'd you tell him afterwards oops or sorry you said you said i'm greedy yeah.

I was greedy because I wanted it, like, and I wanted it right then. Yeah. Yeah. So it was good. So your snapshot specifically was what? Well, I think just the whole experience of being done first.

Because, again, that's different for me as well, just with the typical rhythm that we end up playing in with another couple and it was it was kind of fun to like when he got up to go to the bathroom and and grab some water it was fun for me to just kind of like scooch over to your side of the bed and and just start you know engaging with the two of you right and then when you two came back over um you know i was going down on her and i looked at him and i i waved him over and i said why don't you come help me so he did and then so he was like going down on his wife and then i think i basically like climbed up on his back i think i was like straddling him and and kind of just like kissing his neck and then i would reach down and kind of help him.

Like I was kissing her legs and stuff. And then I think she was like playing with you or giving you a blowjob or something. So all four of us. Yeah, we were connected. And I really like that when that happens. You know, so that's my snapshot. Yeah.

It was finishing first and then having the opportunity to re-engage yeah all four of us yeah and then we finally let the two of you alone and let you finish so yeah yeah it was quite the evening it was a lot of fun yeah we look forward to seeing those guys again yep so let's finish up uh what are we on oh episode 62 that's right um we'd like to remind you that you can reach out. You know, a lot of people, more people are contacting us through our website now instead of through email. Because if you don't know, I mean, our email addresses are, I'm at mrjones at wegotathing.com.

And I'm mrsjones at wegotathing.com. Or you can go to our website and click on the contact us and just send us a direct message through our website. That one comes to both of us. Yeah, that comes to both of us, right? You can follow us on Twitter at wegotathing. And we're on Facebook and we're on Instagram and we're on Pinterest all as wegotathing. Yes. And please feel free on our website if you're interested in our membership group that continues to grow. We're having a lot of fun in there and meeting a lot of people. And we will see a lot of them in Atlanta in just a few days. Yes.

We can't wait. Right. And, you know, we've got some other things in the works. We're going to Nashville in October and doing a meet and greet there. We're also doing a workshop.

Oh, oh yes we're doing a workshop at the local sex toy um lotus blooms lotus blooms in alexandria virginia yep so if you if you're in the area and you want to drive down for that that information is on our events page and our website as well yes and of course we're going to naughty new orleans we finally booked it yeah we finally pulled the trigger and booked that yeah got a hotel room we're going to be staying in the saint yeah this year but we intentionally wanted to stay there because we've been in that hotel before and it's cool yeah we've started to work out some plans for our we got a thing meet and greet and naughty in new orleans and that information is on our website if you're interested yep in attending go there and sign up so we can send you the details.

Yeah, we're hoping to be offering a workshop during the weekend at Naughty as well. And we're kind of sort of thinking about doing a week out of thing meet and greet in Washington, D.C. Yeah. And maybe in September. Like, why do we keep traveling? We live in an amazing city.

That's what I said city if we want to squeeze one more in this year why don't we do a local one yeah yeah so we're going to be putting up information about that on our website when we decide to do it so just keep an eye out i'm pretty sure that we will but we haven't nailed that one down yet yeah and that'll keep us busy for most of 2019, Mr. Jones. I know, our calendar is filling up quickly. Yeah, it sure is. Oh, we forgot about desire. Well, yeah, that's sold out, and we're looking forward to that in November. Yep, for sure. So, thanks for listening. We are Mr. and Mrs.

Jones, and we got a thing. What's your thing? Oh, well, if we want to talk about that separately i can probably slip that in edit it in that's because that's a woman thing right i'm still stuck on the fact he said slip it in so i didn't hear anything he said after that i was tuned out after that