Episode 5- Soft Swap or Full? That...is The Question

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so then welcome to episode number five of the we get a thing podcast i'm mr jones and i'm mrs jones and it's currently february 2015 we are um actually off work today it is the monday of the president's day weekend and it is snowing to beat the band outside right now looks like we got about eight inches out there probably no work tomorrow well we know no work for you and probably not for me except for shoveling the driveway and maybe editing a podcast tomorrow yeah we our snow has been a bust this year in the mid-atlantic region so this is our first good one so i'm kind of excited but then i'm not the one that gets out and shovels so that's okay yeah i just get to be the housewife and make chicken noodle soup for dinner and that kind of stuff once or twice a year is not bad and we have friends up north who have several feet of snow to dig out from again so shouldn't feel too bad and and in keeping up with the joneses this episode we've the weather has cooperated for us to go out on a couple dates lately we went to about an hour south of here We met a couple through Ss they invited us to dinner we went down there and had a nice dinner with them and a really cool uh brewery down there like a brewery type restaurant and good food really good beer great atmosphere um got to know them.

They were really a great couple, very attractive. And one of the bonus things about them is that they have been to a trapeze in Fort Lauderdale. Right. And we are getting ready to go there in about a month and a half. Right.

So they were able to give us some insights and clues and hints as to how to prepare for trapeze and what to expect when we get there and we'll talk about that um a little bit where we've got a vacation schedule i think a lot of people did that probably over the like we did it's been snowy weather and so you sit down and start booking warm vacations for 2015 dreaming of sunshine on your skin instead of six layers of clothes on your body. Yeah. So anyway, Trapeze sounds like a very, so many people have said that it's one of the premier lifestyle clubs in the country.

And after our great experience at the Synergy event, I'm looking forward to going back to uh i think this will be our first official visit to a club one yeah one premise club so yeah we're looking forward to that so they were able to give us some insight and no we did not play on the first date so we stuck to our rule um for that date and then we we saw we went out with another couple here in our local area just this past week and very similar type of couple about, um, about our age. Yep. They're empty nesters. Yeah. And we had, uh, enjoyed getting to meet them.

We had a lot in common with them. And, um, up until I think, I think the one thing that, well, the night started off good. We had a waitress who was kind of cute. She was cute and perky. Yeah, and she definitely saw two gentlemen that had the potential to tip well, and she definitely paid a lot of attention to us. Oh, you think that's what it was? Well, okay, wait, wait, let me back up. Two really very handsome gentlemen. Charming. Yes, charming and handsome gentlemen that had the potential to be good tippers, I'm sure.

Yeah, it started off, interestingly enough, she said, she said, our special tonight is the baby octopus. And I said, excuse me, what did you say? and she is the baby octopus and I said excuse me what did you say and she said the baby octopus and I said can't you call it like young octopus or something eating a baby octopus doesn't sound too appealing and anyway we had a good laugh from the beginning and realized that we both enjoyed both couples enjoyed beer we enjoyed wine martinis martinis I think he's I don't know. and realized that we both enjoyed, both couples enjoyed beer.

We enjoyed wine. Martinis. Martinis. I think he's a wannabe mixologist like you. Yes, we swapped some martini recipes, so that was kind of fun. Yeah, so we enjoyed it. We'll probably see them again, though.

We'll talk about this a little bit later, both couples um have um a no kissing rule which it was funny because the second date we went on it was going really well all the way almost to the end of the date and i happened to mention um the kissing rule and when i did uh they said oh yeah we have a no kissing rule and you could kind of hear the air come out of the balloon at that point in time because we were like two and a half hours into the evening and yeah and all systems were go yeah so we'll talk about the no kissing rule here when we get to segment two but anyway we had a really good time with with the two dates there and then the only other kind of keeping up with the jones's thing we have to report is pretty much a non-vanilla a non-swinging weekend a vanilla weekend this past weekend we went down to myrtle beach south carolina and ran in the myrtle beach half marathon um which we yeah we did that last year we actually ran the full marathon last year together and it was a it was a really special weekend last year because it was my the full marathon last year together, and it was a really special weekend last year because it was my first full marathon, and I was really nervous.

And Mr. Jones, who normally runs very fast compared to me, decided that he would support me by running with me that weekend.

And it was just a really, really – I know this sounds weird if you're not a runner, but it was a really intimate experience because running a marathon especially your first one is really um mentally challenging physically challenging emotionally challenging and just to have the person that is the most special person to me in the world go through that with me and and support me and and not make fun of me and not yell at me and you know he he knew all the right things to say at all the right times when I was having all my little breakdowns and um yeah I think it was an amazing weekend last year I think that was probably the most intimate non-sexual thing that we've done together yeah I agree it was a it was a really um it was a bonding experience in more than one way so So this year it was Valentine's Day weekend, and we're planning to go down there again, but we're going to do a half marathon this time, so not as much preparation.

And then our older daughter decided she wanted to run her first half marathon that weekend. She asked if she could come with us, and of course we said yes. Yeah, I mean, it was nice.

we're excited to be able to share that with her yeah but it did kind of change the you know the mood of the weekend a bit but that that was fine we we really enjoyed it and then and then i said well how are you planning on getting down there and she said well i think i'll ride along with you and so instead of planning this podcast and talking about lifestyle things we had to keep our conversation kind of clean on the way down and back. But it was a good weekend after all. And she did well and she ran her first half marathon. We did that together as a family.

But it was funny because it's like, we're not old yet, but she's a grown-up now. And she actually had some friends that ended up running the half marathon um as well so they were coming in from other parts of town and they they met us all there and it was fun we all went out to dinner friday night um there were like a dozen of us and that was great because we got to know some of her friends that we hadn't met before and got to catch up with friends of hers that we've known since she was in high school. So it was kind of a great reunion evening.

And of course, everybody's all excited about the race and everything. So that was fun. And then got up Saturday, ran the race. And that was fun. But then afterwards, they were all going out to lunch at that place called Dick's Last Resort, which is a really fun place, I guess, but we weren't really feeling it. We, you know, it was Valentine's day and, and we kind of wanted to spend the afternoon alone. So we said, y'all go ahead and we'll just kind of, you know, hang out on our own.

And we went to one of our favorite Myrtle Beach places for lunch and had, um, you um you know a couple celebratory beers and we were kind of trying to check out who else were swingers in the bar and right there were probably a couple of them there yeah we yeah we had little flags go up but couldn't really like accomplish anything but it was fun trying to pick them out right so then we did some shopping and and it's funny because you know she kept texting like what are you guys doing like when do you want to guys get back together we're not i mean she she thinks that we're maybe we can't take care of ourselves i don't know she kept saying well are you okay what time are we going to meet back up what are you guys doing you know and i just wanted to say leave us alone for a while while we're going to see you at dinnertime.

So, yeah, at one point we said, well, you know, we had some lunch, we did a little bit of shopping, and now we're going to go back to the hotel and take a power nap. Well, we were going to go back to the hotel and have some celebratory sex. But, you know, obviously we weren't going to tell our daughter that.

So we managed to get our little power nap yeah well we wouldn't have been able to do that because the night before mrs jones gets a little just a little bit stressed before a race no i think you're exaggerating dear and you're stressing about the weather and you're stressed oh my gosh it's going to be cold and i didn't do this many runs and i might as well just pick up my free t-shirt and not run i'm not going to be able to finish this and then and then and so then we you know we're getting back to the room late friday night and she's getting all of her stuff out and then you know we've been in the car all day and both of us were tired and she says oh my gosh oh my gosh i can't find my sports bra i didn't bring my sports bra and it was after nine o'clock at night so what does mr jones say the typical guy well just don't wear one i don't know i think they're optional i think all the ladies out there understand that you really just don't want the girls flopping around for two hours.

Yeah, that wasn't going to happen. Yeah, and then on top of that, I said, well, you know, did you bring the sex toy bag? And you said, oh, it's not that kind of a trip. I know. Well, I would have brought, like, the minimalist sex toy bag, but I just plain flat forgot that one. So that was a double kick in the teeth. First of all, you tell me you didn't bring the sex toy bag. Then we got to go back out to Target before they close to get not one, but two sports bras in case the first one doesn't fit. I know. Well, you got to be comfortable.

And then on top of the sex toys, I said, well, at least you brought the lube, didn't you? And no, it was not in my cosmetic bag. So we went back out to Target to buy two sports bras and a bottle of lube yes yeah so that was my valentine's win win yeah yeah so if i hadn't forgotten my sports bra we would have not had the opportunity to go out and buy the lube yeah yeah anyway so the lube came in handy during our power nap is where i was going yes our power nap yep so that that was a it was a fun weekend.

It was, um, um, a little bit more vanilla than we had hoped, but you know, when your daughter runs her first half marathon and you get to spend the weekend with her, it was, it was a lot of fun and it made us appreciate the times that, you know, that we have without, without the kids around, but we enjoyed it. We'll see you next time. our topic for tonight is last and we we mentioned this at the end of episode four that we were going to talk about the fact that we are soft swap and we had received a couple of questions I believe, um, people asking us, you know, why are you soft swap?

Or, you know, are you going to stay soft swap? And encouraging us to, you know, don't say you're never going to go full swap in it. And we got so many comments about that. And honestly, it's been coming up in our conversations recently. So we decided that we would have a conversation mr and mrs jones would have a real conversation here on the podcast about why we're soft swap and are we ready for full swap and how we both feel about that so that's and i think to talk about to lead into that we also got another message from a listener, and he wanted to know more about our origin story.

We've told you all our origin story, and I think we've mentioned the fact that we went on this cruise 10 years ago and that it was a really transformational experience for us. But he wanted to know more details on how our relationship has evolved over the last 10 years and how it stepped into the lifestyle and then from our toe-stepping into the lifestyle, then how have we progressed since then in the past year or 14 months or however long it's been. Right, so almost how can you be married for 29 years and then all of all of a sudden, you know, decide you want to be in the lifestyle.

That was, yeah, that was his basic question of it. So, so we're going to kind of start there. And then, because that really kind of leads into, you know, we're, we're still evolving in the lifestyle. And I think everybody that is in the lifestyle is, is experiencing that constant evolution of things that either you're interested in or not interested in, and the different types of people that you want to have experiences with.

So not only do we hope to have a conversation where we each learn something about ourselves, and you all can listen in to see how we've made decisions, but the important thing is I think we're going to give you the context of our relationship and how we've progressed as a couple because everybody's situation is different.

So I know we say this at the beginning of the podcast, but, you know, everybody out there is different and, you know, we're, you know, here we are in our early 50s getting into the lifestyle and a lot of people might say, well, you know, why did you take so long or, you know, and the fact of the matter is this is just the natural pace of our relationship and we don't look at it as, you know, being right or wrong or fast or slow.

it's just kind of how it is and so we hope that as you listen to this and you hear our thought process that not necessarily that you do the things that we do but you know maybe stay authentic to the relationship that you're in and you know make sure that the decisions that you make are are based on based on that so this starts way back in 2005 2005 when we went on this cruise um at that point we had been married 20 years and we had a good sexual relationship before we went on this cruise it wasn't like it was just kind of dead in the water for 20 years and then all of a sudden we had this epiphany we we always had good sex it was uh it was pretty vanilla sex I'll see you next time.

it was just kind of dead in the water for 20 years and then all of a sudden we had this epiphany we we always had good sex it was uh it was pretty vanilla sex there there were a couple times where we did some stuff where we didn't do it often or um like on a regular basis but we would do something and we'd be like hey wow you know we've got potential, right. I remember we had been married about 10 years. And I can't remember if it was for our anniversary, if it was just for the heck of it. I did a striptease for you. Yes, that's right. And I was scared to death. Yeah.

Because I even sang the song that I was dancing to.

And'm not a singer and mr jones is he's very musically inclined and and then there's me so you know i got up the nerve to actually learn the words of this song and i kind of karaoke sang along with it as i played the song on our old cassette tape recorder probably and did a striptease for you yeah and then there was the other time that we had sex on the golf course um we you know and our kids were little and we snuck out at night and had sex on the 10th green at a golf course hey that was in myrtle beach it was in myrtle beach we got some good times in myrtle beach so there was yeah there were things that occurred over the now looking back you know the advantage of looking back you know i can see how our relationship was one that you know moving in this direction uh shouldn't have surprised us too much um so anyway uh so in 2005 we were scheduled to go on this cruise and with a bunch of friends and one by one and they were just like dominoes falling down they all backed out on us um over a period of a couple weeks and it was still it was still time to to cancel the cruise it wasn't like we were going to lose any money but we were like well dang we really were looking at you know i was like the travel agent and i had planned the whole thing and i was so disappointed that we weren't gonna be able to go on this cruise and i'm like well let's just go together but I was kind of worried because it was a it was a 10-night cruise and I was just afraid that Mr.

Jones was going to be bored stiff being stuck on a boat with me and only me for for 10 nights so right and our kids were in high school at that point in time and so we were starting to refocus on each other so so we decided to go on the cruise anyway and it was a holland america cruise and they cater to older older cruisers yeah anyway so we were the youngsters yeah we found out like after 8 30 at night we had the whole ship to ourselves because everyone else was in bed uh so so we we did focus on and we had a great balcony on that, that cruise ship. It was a veranda. I'm sorry.

It was, it was a really, um, big veranda and it actually had room on it for like lounge chairs and a little table. So we were able to, uh, spend a lot of time out there. Right. And, and because we had the ship to ourselves and we had a, a alcohol and a lot of time and, um, you know, we had a lot of good conversations, a lot of sexy conversations about where our relationship was headed. And, you know, after the first couple nights, it really turned, started to get, you know, into a really sexy vacation and we played on the balcony a lot.

And, you know, I think that's the first time that maybe you played with yourself in front of me. Yeah, it was. And it was on the veranda. Yeah, yeah. That was hot. Used a sex toy maybe for the first time. And so there were things that happened on that vacation that kind of broke the ice as far as what we had over 20 years of a traditional kind of a sex life with those occasional, you know, events that we described before thrown in for good measure. So then after the cruise, I mean, the timing was such that, you know, like Mr.

Jones just said, our younger daughter, I think she had actually graduated from high school by the time we went on that cruise. And so we had the time, um, as far as not having the kid responsibilities, um, so much anymore, at least detailed kid responsibilities. So we had the time and then we also had this forward momentum as far as, you know, playing with toys and all these new sexual experiences that maybe had happened on occasion over the prior 20 years, but now they were happening more regularly. We were watching adult movies together.

We were really expanding our toy collection and um going on lots of sexy vacations together you know we didn't necessarily do family vacations anymore because our older daughter was in college and our younger daughter was working so we got to go on vacation just the two of us and those were some seriously sexy times right and so we had more resources with our you know our kids older and that allowed us to travel more and you know so matter no matter where we went we did you know we had an rv we did a lot of camping we went to the beach a lot we the name of our rv was the love shack yeah that's right that's right yeah we had our own love shack rv parked at the beach that we we spent a lot of mr jones bought the extra big stabilizer to put on the front of it so that it wouldn't rock too much.

That's right. And we started buying a lot of books and doing a lot of research. And, you know, you all of a sudden developed an interest in giving blowjobs, which I found to be quite an interesting time. I like to study. So I read a book on it. So I had to practice. Yeah, being the good student that you are. Well, it paid off for more than just me. Yeah, so and the adult videos that we started to watch and learn and explore, and our conversations continued to evolve that way too. So I think we became just naturally more open-minded.

Yeah, yeah, you you went topless a couple times when you had an opportunity to and that kind of led us to um you know the conversation about clothing optional resort and once we started talking about that then we started listening to podcasts and and really watching playboy tv and swing and that's when we started really kind of gravitating towards the the swing lifestyle and we kind of were bumped up against it before i think one night we just kind of looked at each other and said are we really going to do this or is this just something that that we kind of just want to fantasize about and i don't know that we really ever answered that question until we went to desire did we no but the rest is history so now we've kind of brought you guys up to the present and and what we want to talk about now is our decision to be a soft swap couple and as we move forward over a period of time in the lifestyle are we going to eventually evolve into a full swap couple that's something that Mr.

Jones and I really have not talked about a lot but it's kind of starting to come up maybe in the back of our minds as we interact with other people and then we've had listeners ask us about that so we're just going to have kind of a conversation with each other that we really haven't had before. So, you know, you all kind of get to experience this firsthand. So hopefully this will go well and we'll come through fairly unscathed. Well, maybe this is where we reinsert the conversation about the no kissing rule.

Because one of the things you brought up after our second date this week because we've been with three couples now that had the no kissing rule right and um we're finding similarities among um couples that have a no kissing rule as far as their um their relationships go they're all in fairly new relationships and they've all come out of long-term relationships where they've been married for a number of years and then ended up divorcing and then they have found um each other and um i think two of the couples are married and one of them are they're not married yet but um they all have great relationships and we have enjoyed getting to know all three couples, but they do have this no kissing rule.

And the first couple that we dated a few weeks ago that we went an hour south to meet at that really cool brewery that, that they're the ones that have been to Trapeze in Fort Lauderdaleale we had a great time with them that evening and and I kind of stuck my foot in my mouth at one point in time that the evening was almost over and we were just kind of chatting about different experiences we had had in the lifestyle and just kind of you know laughing about things and and I looked at them and I said so have you guys ever played with a couple that have a no kissing rule and i got kind of quiet and i was like oh i think i just put my foot in my mouth so the the gentleman looked over at the lady and he pointed his finger at her and he said this is your question to answer so yeah did have a no kissing rule, but I think it was pretty much her rule.

Yeah, it was her rule. Right. And the comment that you made afterwards, even though our sample size is kind of small, you said, out of all the experiences that we've had, with the exception of maybe one, we've been much more comfortable with couples who are full swap couples who soft swap because of our limits right as opposed to being with other couples who are soft swap and we're soft swap yeah right and we don't know if there's any correlation there or not no and and again like mr jones said our sample size is really small and we understand that.

And we all also understand our limited experience because, yeah, we've been doing this for a little over a year now, but we really haven't played with all that many couples. But it's just it's just kind of weird that three out of the last four couples that we have either dated or actually played with have had this no kissing rule. And it's, and it's starting to kind of, um, weigh on me because as I think about it and I think about the, the experience we had with the couple that we did play with, I've, I am, I'm starting to think that it's an obstacle for me because I really like to kiss.

And if I can't kiss the gentleman, that makes it hard for me to kind of get my motor running, so to speak. And then not only that, because I can work around that, I'm sure, you know, I can kiss Mr.

Jones and, and get fired up that way, or I kiss the other woman because um all three couples that we have played with or have been with that have the no kissing rule that does not apply woman to woman and again that's unfair yeah mr jones is really bitter about that throwing the flag on that yeah i know i don't blame you yeah because well go ahead finish your thought but you know the the reason i feel kind of cheap or cheated is because you know you mentioned you like kissing well you know i i do too and and you get to kiss the other woman right so you get to get your engine going that way and i get to kiss you right and i don't you know i get to kiss you but you're you're with her're, you're with her and then you're with him.

And, and though I like watching and that, that gets me going, it really doesn't establish any kind of connection with me and the other woman. Right. And so for me to think about, um, full swap, I need to have a connection with the other woman. And if I can't kiss the other woman. I just don't know where that's going to come from. Right. And, you know, a lot of it is, you know, I want to, and there have been two women I can think of, one that hopefully we're going to see again here soon. I just texted her today. I haven't heard back yet. I'll let you know.

That really like to kiss and really, you know, there's that emotional connection. And I'm not talking about, you know, polyamory. I'm just talking about, you know, there's, there's gotta be some sort of passion and emotion that you share. And if I can't kiss her, then I'm not certain that I'm going to be able to evolve to full swap because I just don't, you know, I just don't want to go through the motions.

I want to have some sort of a connection and I want the other woman to know that I'm committed for that period of time that I'm, that I'm committed to her and that I'm not distracted or, you know, that I want, I want to somehow show her that I think she's attractive and that I want to be with her and, you know, that I'm not doing this just because, you know, you want to be there. I want her to know. And if I can't kiss her, I'm struggling to figure out how it is that I'm going to be able to convey that. Right.

And I, and I feel that same, um, confusion about how do I show the the gentleman gentleman that I'm interested in him? And, and, you know, I, and then it kind of, then I start like letting my mind like wander and kind of run away with this. And I think, well, gosh, maybe, maybe she has a no kissing rule because she doesn't trust me. Like, you know, if I can't kiss him on the lips, then, well, gosh, I wonder if she's really okay with like me kissing his neck or nibbling on his ear or playing with his nipples or, you know, so now what am I allowed to do? And I start doubting myself.

And then when I started doing that, that just kind of shuts down my libido. Right. And the couple that we were just went, they even said, oh, well, kissing would be okay, but not French kissing. Well, then that's a whole nother thing you have to worry about is how do you kiss somebody unless it's your sister or, you know, it's not like a friendship. You're in the, you're in the heat. You don't have any clothes on and you're touching, you know, each other's bodies, naked bodies, and you're supposed to keep your mouth shut.

I don't, you know, there's just too many things and you're right it's distracting right now i one thing i did want to say before we got into this and i feel bad that i've let it go this long is i completely respect the couples that have the no kissing rule that we have met so far i i respect their boundaries i respect their rule and they are certainly entitled to that rule. And I'm not begrudging them of that at all. I'm just wondering how I fit into that or how Mr. Jones and I fit into that as a couple. Um, are we making too big of a deal out of it?

I mean, cause I did have one experience where it kind of, I don't know, it kind of shook me a little bit. And I had trouble letting go of that in my head so that I could enjoy myself because I was afraid of making a mistake. And I think Mr. Jones and I are both very concerned about the feelings of the couples that we play with. And we would never want to do anything to, um, cross a boundary that they have. And I don't know, this is, as we ponder it, it just is becoming more and more important to us, I guess. Right.

And, you know, maybe we need to, you know, talk about what we think about full swap.

I mean, we haven't really had that had that conversation yet so no so that's really is that our next step you know do we need to play with couples because i think really the full swap couples and again small sample size but the full swap couples that we have played with have been more experienced and and they've just been much more laid back about everything and And they, they really haven't had, you know, any rules at all because they, I think they've kind of been around the block a couple of times and they know what they can handle as a couple and, um, they, they don't get flustered very easily.

Okay. So then setting aside the soft swap couples with the no kissing rule, the couples that we've been with that are full swap couples that have soft swap with us, have you thought about full swapping during the time that we were with them? Yes. And I really haven't talked to you about this much. I kind of alluded to it a of times that I was actually kind of afraid to say something because I think we have other things that we have to work through first before we are ready to full swap. But yeah, I mean, do you want me to go ahead and tell you the, the time now?

Well, it's probably pretty safe since we're on the microphone, you know, I'm not going to come across the table.

I'm not worried about that that well it of course where else would it have happened but at desire when we were there in november we met this great couple and um we were playing with them and they were a full swap couple and we and we knew that but they knew where we stood and and they um they were fine with it and we had the best time they were they were so easy to be with they were just a happy couple and they were just really confident and and laid back at the same time and and kind of adventurous I mean they had a lot of ideas to do some fun positions and and try different things and we just had a really good time with them that night and um he um the husband and I were playing and and we kind of finished what we were doing before Mr.

Jones was finished with his wife. So he and I just were kind of laying there and we were spooned together and enjoying the, um, the show that Mr. Jones and, and the other lady were putting on for us.

And he, he kind of whispered in my ear, are you sure you guys aren't full, you know, don't want to do full swap and I just lay in there with him and and he was spooning up against the back of me and it was just it was so sexy and he was just he was a he was a gentleman but he was also you know he was a great kisser um and he just was really good at everything he did and he was just a really, really nice guy and he was an intelligent guy. I mean, he just, he just kind of fit the bill of, um, and, and his wife was kind of the same way.

They just really had just the right kind of personalities that, um, that we were able to both feel, um, comfortable around at the same time, have a lot of fun with. And I just wanted to say well let me talk to Mr.

Jones I'll get back with you but of course I didn't I said no no no we're soft swap but you know thanks for the offer or whatever you know I don't know what I said you know we kind of joked around about it and he laughed about it and you know he he wasn't really trying to to pin me down on anything but I mean he could probably tell that I kind of wanted it too um so i didn't say anything to mr jones about it i we he knew something was going on um because we actually had a a discussion in the car on the way home from the airport right well and it's interesting that i'm hearing you say this because um we did not have that conversation at desire because we still had a couple nights after that that you that you could have said something to me about you know that and how you felt about it because i could kind of i think it scared me i think i could tell that you wanted to be with them again and i and i didn't understand why, because there was the other couple from Colorado that we had connected with that, that you knew I wanted to spend time with.

Right. And I wanted to spend time with them too. Right. And I couldn't really, I didn't really understand why you were a little reluctant, but now it makes complete sense. You know, so again again our communication skills have gotten much better since you know since then too um so okay well that's okay anything else that you need to get off your chest not at the moment true confessions is over for now okay so so if i can um i think what i heard you say is that if it's the right situation that you're already open for full swap Thank you.

think what I heard you say is that if it's the right situation that you're already open for full swap. Yes and no. Um, you know, I, it's, it's definitely going to take the right couple and I don't want to have to fly to Mexico every time I want a full swap, you know, because desire definitely is an environment where you can start relaxing enough to allow those feelings to I'll see you next time. in a full swap, you know, because desire definitely is an environment where you can start relaxing enough to allow those feelings to, you know, come to the surface.

Um, so here around town, it's, it's going to be more work, I think, finding the right couple. Um, and I don't think that it's something we would want to do the first time we were with a couple, at least not at first.

Um, but even before, and the other reason I say yes or no, yes and no is that, um, you alluded to it a little earlier about when you're with another woman, I'm, you get there sometimes, but I would really like to see you more consistently reach the point where you can relax when you're with another woman and you can kind of just forget about everything else that's going on around you and I want you to get lost in the moment with her. And I feel like until you do that, then I won't have the confidence to put myself in that place as well.

So, um, I think I'm to the point where I'm a little bit more comfortable letting go and trusting that you're okay over there on the other side of the bed with that other lady right um i know you trust me with that other man but i just i want you to let your head get out of the game and just lose yourself right and that because we play with some really beautiful ladies and i know those beautiful ladies are so attracted to you and i just really it will be mind-blowing for me just to watch you lose yourself and i get to i get to be the observer well and that kind of goes back to you got a little hot in here didn't you honey i forgot what i was going to say i lost myself in that.

Um, I mean, that kind of goes back to what I was saying here, honey. I forgot what I was going to say. I lost myself in that.

Um, I mean, that kind of goes back to what I was saying about kissing, you know, if I'm gonna, if I'm going to lose myself in, in the eyes and the presence of another woman, I need to be able to, you know, to, to kiss her and, and have that emotional connection so that it helps me separate from you right you know and and so i think that's all a part of it but so that goes back to the whole where do we fit in i mean because we are connecting more with full swap couples do we belong in that full swap category right well it kind of reminds me of that uh that thing we used to do in elementary school the three-legged race where you you tie two legs together and you try to to run at the same speed with somebody else and you have your arms around them and supporting them but all it takes is one person getting a little bit ahead of the other person and you just and you're down but you know i think where we are though in this is since we've gotten beyond that know, the jealousy and things that we talked about before and we don't have that to be a big concern that, you know, the first a lot of times I think we make a bigger deal out of things than they really are.

Definitely. And then when we get past it, we look back and say, well, you know, why did we why did we get all worked up about that? Because it really, you know it wasn't that big of a deal and i think now if we choose to or when we choose to full swap if it doesn't go exactly right you know we're mature enough and and experienced enough that we can you know on the way home or the next day you know we can talk about it in a way honestly and openly and, you know, continue to grow because that's what this whole lifestyle has really done for us. I mean, that's really, that's why we got in this.

I mean, that's why people I think should get in this is it's an opportunity to deepen the relationship that you have with each other. So hopefully we will, you know, kind of look at it from that perspective and not be so concerned about, you know, taking this next big step, because even though it is a big step, we shouldn't, you know, make it out to be, you know, anything more than that. No, we're, we're probably going to look back and say, man, we made a big deal out of that. Yeah. Right. So, um, but again, I think it's about finding the right couple.

And I think it's about having some really honest conversations with that couple and letting them know exactly where we stand and how we feel and not to be like, um, a bucket of ice water on the evening. But, you know, I think having that conversation with them, they'll know that if we, um, just want to full swap with them the first time we, or geez, if we want to soft swap with them the first time we play with them, that it's not because we aren't attracted to them. It's because we just need to be able to build that comfort level.

So I guess that's one thing that jumps out in my mind is um you know i i have a heart i'm a people pleaser and i and i'm very respectful and i'm overly considerate and it's hard it's difficult for me to when people reach out to us um or we've been with somebody and we have to say you know you know what there's no chemistry there's no four-way connection we really like you but you know there's no spark and you's no four-way connection, we really like you, but, you know, there's no spark, and, you know, that, and I believe you should do that, I don't, you know, just ignoring somebody and hoping that they go away, I don't think that's very respectful, and I think, you know, so I've gotten better at that, but now this adds a whole new dimension, because if we are full swap situational and soft swap, then how do we tell a couple, hey, you know what?

We like you enough to soft swap with you, but not to full swap with you. So how do we have that conversation? I don't know. Anybody got any ideas out there?

I mean, we would like some uh feedback if you've been at this point in your journey and you can and this resonates with you and you're kind of laughing remembering you know uh situations that you were in if you would share those with us boy we could uh learn a lot from that and we would really appreciate that but me flying blind right now I think that we just err on the side of caution and still just like we don't play on the first date right now. Well, I don't know that maybe we should full swap on the first date the first time we play with somebody.

I think we need to kind of take it slow and I don't know, we'll probably change our minds midstream. Who knows?

We'll get down to trapeze and we'll sleep with everybody in the whole club i don't know you know you can't really predict how you're going to react in a certain situation but i think you and i need to be prepared right and whether we're willing to go ahead and full swap with somebody the first time out or whether we want to be more cautious and only do full swap with couples that we have more of a long-term friendship with right i don't know i don't know so do we have any resolution doesn't sound like it i think we should have some sort of resolution i mean we kind of advertised this that we're going to talk about this so where do we stand okay so i said that i have experienced the desire you know in the middle of playing to full swap with somebody right i really really wanted to have penetration sex with him but i didn't because there's no way we would i would tap you on the shoulder hey would it be okay you know that, that just wasn't an option.

And, and while I felt that, um, I wasn't even disappointed that I couldn't do it. That was just kind of where we stood. Have you ever felt that way? No, no. And that's more my, like you said before it, you know, we have been with some amazing couples and some very beautiful women. So it's not, it's not that at all.

Um, it's just me, you know, being able to let go of being, you know, connected with you for a moment and focus on her because, you know, I believe when you or any other woman gives herself to me in any way, um, that's just like a very, I've said this before, it's the ultimate gift and it's the ultimate show of trust and respect. And, you know, I want to be able to, for that period of time, you know, commit my whole self, my mind and everything to, to that woman. Um, and so it's going to take me, you know, first of all, we got to find somebody that wants to kiss. Yes, we do.

Or I'm not going to get there. Um, I certainly want to, and I, and I understand that that's what it's going to take for me. So, you know, even though I haven't been there, um, Now that I know that you have and that you had that desire, you know, of course, I want to make sure that, you know, you get something that's part of what what I get a charge out of is you, you know, getting pleasure. So knowing that is helpful. And so we're just going to have to, you know, kind of understand that we're approaching that next level and keep our eyes open and keep communicating.

And, you know, when we feel like it's the right couple at the right time, then, you know, perhaps we, you know, take the plunge and give it a try and, and see how it goes. But I'm going to call you out right now. It can't just be me wanting to full swap and you feeling comfortable with it. You have got to want to fuck this lady too. Right. And I mean, we just got to put it out there. Yeah.

But you know, I, I hear what you're saying, you know, and I also know that, you know, the likelihood that we're going to find a couple who we are both equally attracted to and equally want to do that with is unlikely. Yes. You know, so there's a chance that you're going to find, you know, somebody else that you would like to do that with, you know, before I do, although, you know, the opposite is true as well. So, um, and they have to want to do us. Yeah. Well, right. I mean, I don't, yeah, I don't, it's a tough combination to find. Yeah.

So anyway, we're not saying we're not retreating and we're not saying we're never going to full swap and we're not going to say that we want to, that we're happy, even though soft swap has really allowed us the opportunity to grow to this point. know so i think again we were we were wise and taking it at the pace that we're taking it but well you know one of our excuses for soft swapping has been that we enjoy coming back together at the end and having our you know reconnection sex as we finish the evening out together.

And, um, you, we were talking one time about this and you said, well, you know, full swap couples do that as well. It just not, might not be at the moment.

They go back to their hotel room or they go back and they drive home and then they have their reconnection sex then, or, you know, even if it's till the next morning, they can talk about their wild and crazy evening and then, have their reconnection sex then or you know even if it's till the next morning they can talk about their wild and crazy evening and then right you know have their reconnection sex at that point so it doesn't have to be like at the the culmination of the playtime with the other couple so that's really that excuse really isn't holding solid you know right for us okay so i don't know i think i think uh we're making progress just by having these conversations because we really haven't even gone there before so i guess since we've had this conversation with all these people listening that what we'll have to promise you is that we'll keep you posted.

But remember, we've been married 30 years and we've only made it this far. So have patience with us. I mean, a lot of you all out there that are full swap are just shaking your head saying, I can see where this is going. It's not going to take long. I know. You know, now and maybe you're right. And then you're saying you big babies, just try it and get it over with. You'll like it. So you were going to ask for some feedback, right? I do.

You know, not only would I like some feedback on, um, your experiences when you, if you were in this position where you're like on the precipice of, uh, diving off the cliff from soft swap to full swap. Um, but I really need some help with this kissing thing. And Mr. Jones needs help too. It's really, I, and again, I, I'm probably making it bigger than it has to be, but Thank you. Um, but I really need some help with this kissing thing and Mr. Jones needs help too.

It's really, I, and again, I, I'm probably making it bigger than it has to be, but if I need to kiss to kind of get the motor running and I can't do that because the couples that we have met that have this no kissing rule are very attractive couples and they we've enjoyed dinner with them so much they great personalities attractive we like the um the dynamic between the two people you know we can tell that they have the kind of relationship that we would feel comfortable interacting with them it doesn't appear to be you know like there would be drama so you know the whole no kissing thing it just is it's confusing for me i you know i have the like i said i have this like whole Thank you.

know, like there would be drama. So, you know, the whole no kissing thing, it just is, it's confusing for me. I, you know, I have the, like I said, I have this like whole trust thing in my head now, like the woman isn't going to trust me with her husband or, you know, she's not going to either trust herself or cause every time I think it's been the woman that has really kind of initiated the rule and the, has supported it. Um, but I think it's mostly been from the woman's perspective that she feels the need to have this no kissing rule. So is there a workaround?

I mean, like how do you get your motor running if you can't kiss somebody, if you've considered kissing to be, um, a really fun part of foreplay yeah so i yeah any kind of tips or tricks or advice there would be greatly appreciated like you're begging i am begging i i need your help there we go yeah that should do it yeah so maybe we just need to decide to be you know more selective or more picky or we you know which is a shame because these are great couples yeah and we don't want to get we don't want to be that sort of a couple that Thank you.

need to decide to be you know more selective or more picky or we you know which is a shame because these are great couples yeah and we don't want to get we don't want to be that sort of a couple that forgets where we came from and help other people along but at the same time we're in this for ourselves you know that's what this is about we should be selfish to a certain degree because our relationship is is here what we're trying to enhance so all right i think we've pretty much beat that one. We have. So again, you know, stay tuned.

I don't know that there was any big epiphany, but, but I think that, um, we opened up some conversation between the two of us. Yeah. Right. And, and so we will, um, we, like I said, we will, we will trudge forward. We will continue to have these conversations, not one mic, but off mic. And hopefully we're going to find somebody to play with soon so that we can actually report back. Well, we act like it's been, it was really New Year's Eve was the last time. Yeah, it's been six weeks. Yeah, it's been six weeks. We've had a lot of sex with each other. Right.

And that takes us to our snapshots, which, you know, I mean, obviously we haven't been with, you know, we haven't played with anybody. So these snapshots are going to be just you and me, babe. music plays So they both stem from last weekend when we were at myrtle beach running this race and you know like i said our our daughter obviously thinks that we're old and feeble and that we can't take care of ourselves and you know and the whole time saturday after the race we we were trying to find a way to escape so that we could have some time alone together.

So we, you know, like I said, we escaped and we did some shopping and we came back and we took our power nap, you know, and had our celebratory sex in our bedroom. And then after that, we really wanted to get this podcast put together. So we really needed to work on our show notes. And, you know, before you go on, some explicit detail of our power nap would be it ended with me coming all over your tits. Yes. That was a nice snapshot. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, go on. Okay. So, yeah. I just wanted to throw that in. It had to be something explicit in this story.

And see, if I hadn't have bought the sports bra the night before, my boobs would have been too sore and you wouldn't have even been able to get near them. So that was a good investment of $20 at Target. Anyway, on with your snapshots. So after we had our little power nap, the hotel we stayed in had a really nice bar.

So we took myad down to the bar and we were working on our show notes so of course our daughter's still texting us you know where are you are you guys you know or when are we going to meet up for dinner and we had already made reservations for dinner so that was all taken care of and we're like okay well we're in the bar if you want to come have a drink with us come on down so she and her friend came and met us at the bar and we ordered some martinis and she ordered some wine and he got a cocktail and we were talking about our afternoon.

And, and, um, at one point he, he looked over at our daughter and he said, I really think that your parents know how to entertain themselves because she was just like harping on, well, what did you do? You know, like we would have been like so bored or whatever. And he was like, no, I think your parents are perfectly capable of entertaining themselves. Yeah. And the look on her face, she just looked kind of puzzled when he said that. And I said, you know, you really should listen to this man. He's very wise beyond his years.

And then at some point, think it it did kind of click on for her because her eyes got really big and it got really quiet yeah when it dawned on her what he was saying and the fact that i was like yes exactly what do you think we you don't think we were really up there taking a nap do you well oh so yeah the look on our daughter's face when she figured out that our power nap might not have been a nap yeah so okay so that's your snapshot so mine is even less sexy than that if if that's possible but this is not sexy at all it's embarrassing no it's funny it's funny um i'm laughing about it now so we for long time, and I can't remember how many years ago, but, you know, over the years, I know there was at least one trip where you forgot your toothbrush.

And I made a comment about, well, why don't you just use mine? And I thought he was, like, kidding. There is no way I was going to stick his toothbrush in my mouth. So I think I used my finger. Yeah, when I asked you, I said, why don't you just use my toothbrush? And I was serious. And I thought you were going to just puke all over me. You just had this disgusting look on your face like I would never put your toothbrush in my mouth. No, no. I'm like, I don't get it. I don't I don't get it. So anyway, it's disgusting.

After that, of course, she once I realized it bothered her so much, I tease her about it all the time. And so now we have, I've been complaining because I have, our toothbrushes are just the like. Mine is red, with a red accent color, white with a red accent, and yours is white with a blue accent. Right. But you've got those little plastic covers.

You know, the covers you put over like the teeth of the toothbrush yeah the bristles to kind of keep it you know from getting dirty when it touches your other stuff right but the problem i had was the cap that you put on mine red toothbrush is blue and then you have a blue toothbrush with a pink cap it's bright pink why would i put a bright pink cap on your toothbrush? So anyway, whenever we go away, if it's a seven day vacation, I know at least four or five days I'm asking you which one of these toothbrushes is mine. I think I used the wrong one.

And I get the same response every time because a lot of times you don't even know I'm teasing you. And a lot of times I just, I can't remember. Sometimes I just think that you're really dumb or you get, or you are old and senile. I don't know. So I, so know it bothers you, the thought of using my toothbrush. So anyway, this weekend, it was Sunday morning. We were packing up. We were getting ready to check out of the hotel. And I heard you in there brushing your teeth. And so I thought, you know what, I should go brush my teeth because I know you're packing up your cosmetic bag.

And I could brush my teeth and you could put everything away. And I walked into the bathroom and I was behind you and you were looking into the mirror brushing your teeth. And I looked and I looked into the cosmetic bag to see which toothbrush was still in there. I'm gagging just thinking about it. I realized you're brushing your teeth with my toothbrush. And I kind of to get this little grin on my face and when you when I did your eyes got real big. I looked over and I saw my toothbrush in my cosmetic bag.

And you went oh and you just like opened your mouth and you and like all the toothpaste and stuff was just like dripping out of your mouth and you didn't know what to do. I thought you were going to get sick. I was gagging. And of course, when you did that, I just started busting out laughing. It was hilarious because all these years you were concerned that I was going to use your toothbrush and you use my toothbrush. What was the first thing you said? I said, you can put another guy's dick in your mouth. You can go down on another woman who you don't even know.

And you put all these things in your mouth. And not only does it not bother you, but you orgasm because of it. And just because you're a husband of 30 years, a little bit of my spit is on his toothbrush. So I could never figure it out.

But it was the thing i laughed so hard and you and you then you started laughing after a while too after you realized you were gonna live good point well made mr jones yeah i don't i can't explain it you're right you're right i can put lots of things in my mouth things i don't know very well but no your toothbrush just doesn't belong there you know i really tried to come up with a sexy explicit at snout shot, but that was just so funny. And it's such a vim. I'll never forget the look on your eyes at the moment you realized you had my toothbrush in your mouth and it wasn't me.

It wasn't my fault. And I didn't set you up or anything. And then you said, well, the first thing I'm going to do is get different colored toothbrushes. Oh, they're already in the trash. I said, see, that's what I've been telling you. I've been telling you that that's too much alike. So, oh, my goodness. So, anyway, those are our snapshots.

And before we close, last week we had, or last month, we had talked about adding a really short segment about addressing questions or a question that we got, you know over the past month or two from um some of our listeners and theme this month has revolved revolved around um a couple of a couple of people made a comment i didn't really think about it at first but somebody said you know really great podcast hope you keep up. And somebody else said, you know, I really enjoy your podcast. Um, you know, I hope, I hope you don't, you know, stop, or I hope you guys, you know, keep it up.

Uh, and then I was listening to, uh, one of the podcasts I listened to is the Libsyn feed and Libsyn is the technology company that hosts our audio files and so of course this is a non-explicit it's a tech podcast but i like to listen to it since we're podcasters to get tips and the person was talking about what libsyn has noticed and they get like more than a billion downloads from you know their service a year that around for a weekly podcast around 30 weeks something happens that he calls podcast fade or pod fade I can't remember what he called it but you know when you start a podcast and we know there's a lot of energy there's a lot of excitement you know you invest in this equipment and you people start downloading, and you get excited when people email you and say, yeah, people are listening, and you have that rush, and he was saying after about 30 weeks of a weekly episode podcast, people, that's when people, if they're going to burn out, that's when it starts to happen, and reality starts to sit in about how much time this takes, and how much and everything that goes along with it.

So that got me thinking that, you know, I hadn't thought of it from our perspective as podcasters. But I do recall feeling that way not too long ago because before we started podcasting, there was a couple of podcasts that we listened to faithfully that we liked. And all of a sudden they just stopped. And I remember feeling that, gosh, we have a relationship here. And all of a sudden you disappear on me. I felt like somebody broke up with me and I was sitting by the phone waiting for the phone to ring. Yeah. You know, waiting for that next episode to come out. And then it never came out.

Like the phone never rang. What know i deserve this it was i was crushed right and so and then and then very very explicitly um somebody on reddit when when um commented and said do us a favor if you ever decide to take a break or to stop podcasting please do a five-minute podcast and put it out there or put something on your blog that tells everyone, you know, why you're quitting or why you're taking a break and what's going on. And so I hadn't really thought of it from that perspective, but, you know, from the listener's perspective, I certainly understand.

So just wanted to address that by saying two things. First of all, we're going to talk about our plans for the rest of 2015. We have quite a schedule, um, a lifestyle schedule, you know, for filled out for 2015. So I don't see, we don't see anything keeping us from podcasting through this calendar year at least. So, you know. And that's one reason why, um, we are podcasting like every four weeks instead of, I know some podcasters try to be, you know, a little bit more ambitious and try to go every week or maybe every two weeks.

And we decided, you know, once a month, once every four weeks was really about all we were able to commit to, especially at first, because, um, you know, I, I sit down in front of the microphone and, and talk and, and I help with, you know, designing the show notes and coming up with topics and stuff. And Mr. Jones does a lot of technical stuff. I mean, there's like this scary looking soundboard over there and, and he's got, you know, all these websites that he has to use to manage our files. And, and I don't do anything.

I don that stuff I don't do anything with that so it's a lot of work um so I think we tried to be realistic as we you know kind of set up our format and everything so that we wouldn't burn out um we don't want to burn out we are enjoying this you know we've invested a lot of time and resources in getting this up and running. And, and I'm telling you what, we are having so much fun. We really, we enjoy hearing from, from people. Um, we're being contacted, you know, through all different types of media. And it's just, it's so exciting when we get feedback from you all. Right.

And so we will, we podcast through this year um and and also i think it's good to know you know first of all we've been married 30 years so we know what commitment means so you know we're committing to a podcast um the other thing is we really started planning this podcast way back in june j of 2014. And we were intentional about not putting a first episode out until we were completely ready. So we invested July, August, September, October, four months, four to five months of planning before we even did our first episode.

So that gives you an idea of, of the level of commitment because we didn't want to just all of a sudden get um you know this impulse and do a podcast real quick and then worry about how it was going to work or how it was going to you know later and burn out on it so but i'm not gonna i mean we're having fun doing this too i don't want to talk about how this is all drudgery. It's fun. I mean, we'll be driving in the car and be talking about something and we'll be like, oh, we got to talk about that on the podcast. You know, so I'll put like a note in my phone or whatever.

And, you know, we're having a blast. So we're not intending on changing anything anytime soon. But if we do, or if we take we, if we take a break for more than a month, um, in other words, if our, we're a monthly podcast, if we go more than two or three weeks late, you know, we'll try to put something out on the blog to keep you all updated. You know, we will commit to that because we know what it's like to be on the other side of it. So anyway, we have no plans, um, of discontinuing this. It's, it's a lot of fun, like you said. So continuing on the next episode. Yes.

Um, not really sure exactly how we're going to frame the next episode, but one thing I want to talk about is, um, 50 shades of gray. The movie came out this weekend and because we had to travel out of town, we haven't had a chance to go see it yet. It is definitely on our short list of things to do. I read all three books, and then I talked Mr. Jones into reading all three books, and I read the books again while he was reading them because we had them on our Kindles, and talk about some good discussion. We really, really enjoyed reading those together and talking about it.

I mean, um, there's so much controversy around these books right now and it's, you know, it's definitely, um, a hot topic. And I think it's sometimes, um, the movie and the, and the books are being bashed by people that are uninformed. Right. Right. And so we're in the middle of that because our vanilla lives involve our church life and friends that we've had forever, and there's kind of an opinion there. And a lot of times we don't take a stand or get on our platform and kind of talk about this. So Mrs.

Jones is especially fired up about 50 shades so we will we'll we'll be talking about that in episode six and you know what i think you should do mrs jones since you're begging people for some feedback maybe maybe you need to commit to a new picture on the website because again that's the page on our website that has like triple the views of anything else. So maybe if you commit to putting a new picture. How do I beg in a picture? Well, no, I'm just saying it's a quid pro quo. Oh, OK. You know, you put the picture out there, you know, then you might get some feedback. OK.

I'm just saying from a guy's perspective. Well, if that's what it takes, hey, I'm desperate. Okay, well, we'll make sure we do that. Yes. Okay, and I alluded to the travel plans just to give you all an idea of what we're up to for the rest of 2015 because we'd love to meet. We haven't, you know what, that's something that we haven't really even done yet. We haven't met anybody that knows us from the podcast. No.

Right, because this is only our fifth episode and not too many people know about us yet so um and at any of these things that we have planned for 2015 first of all we're we're thinking of going to catalyst con um you can look that up online and i'll put a link to that in the show notes as well. Catalyst Con is a sex positive conference, and it's being held here in Washington, D.C., so that's what we're excited about, that we don't have to incur a lot of travel costs for this one. And it's not any one particular genre, whether it be, you know, BDSM or lifestyle or gay lesbian.

It's, it's more everyone. It's a melting pot of sex positive, sex positivity. And it's a three day, two and a half day conference at the end of March. Um, and so we're thinking about attending that.

We haven't committed to that yet because we still have a vanilla event, you know, that we're trying to work around, but we're hoping to take that in take that in and then a couple other um podcasters are going to be speaking at the conference yeah that's right so cooper beckett and um life on the swing set and jv authoros and ending the sexual dark age are both going to be podcasting i believe from catalyst con so we're looking forward to meeting them meeting them.

We've listened to their podcast for a long time, and we're hoping that if we can attend, that we'll be able to meet them and introduce ourselves. So then in April, what's up in April? I'm dragging Mr. Jones on the vanilla cruise. Yeah. Yeah, the spring break cruise. But wouldn't it be nice if somebody listening out there was going to be trapped on the same cruise that we're trapped in? If anybody out there is going on a vanilla cruise during the first week of April. Out of Miami. Out of Miami. Message us and let us know.

We'll be the ones on the boat with the black rings on desperately looking for other swingers. There's going to be 3,000 people on this ship. There's got to be a swinger, too.

There a swinger there there's got to be swingers yeah but they don't leave their kids at home well yeah this cruise line it's it's a little bit more grown up than the ones we've gone on spring break i'm not optimistic i'm i'm optimistic we will have our black rings on our right hands and and i'm pacifying you by we're going to fly in day early and that's when we're going to trapeze so what so after that trip our podcast will at least have trapeze to talk about yeah i'm not sure anything exciting except for the wild sex that we have with each other you know on the cruise oh that would just be tragic if that's all that happened oh my gosh so so that's uh april that's april um may kind of boring well may we're gonna go we're going to myrtle beach for a long weekend so there's possibility there yep and then in june we have another trip uh plan to desire pearl yes we go back home and we know we're gonna get lucky there surely yeah hopefully and then at the end of July is Naughty in New Orleans.

We talked about this before. We're really looking forward to this one. There's other podcasters that are going to be there. And we, Mrs. Jones and I, have even discussed about the idea of if there's anybody out there that is aware of our podcast that's going to attend Naughty in New Orleans, that if you'll let us know, we will commit to setting up a meet and greet for a We Got a Thing meet and greet. And we'll talk more about that as the months go on. And I'll put a link to that on the show notes as well.

But, boy, anybody that's ever been to Naughty in New Orleans, it's just a great opportunity to be with 1,400 swingers in a closed hotel in New Orleans. So it's really a lot of fun. We enjoyed it. So we're going to be doing that at the end of July, beginning of August. So we're going to have a pretty busy summer when the snow melts and spring comes around. And that doesn't even include all the local trouble we can get into. Well, that's true. So is that? I think that wraps it up. That's pretty much it. So if you want to contact us, you know, our website is the best place to find us.

That's wegotathing.com. And, you know, please send us an email that Mrs. Jones is practically... I'm desperate. Yes, I'm begging for feedback. She's stripping herself right now. She's pinching her nipples as she's longingly looking into the microphone. Give it to me. The feedback, you know, for tonight's episode.

And so wegotathing at gmail.com uh you can follow us on twitter at we got a thing um all of our other contact information is on our website so so please go there um and then we hope to hear from you and we'll be back in march to talk about 50 shades that's right anyway thanks again for listening we are mr and mrs jones and we got aades. That's right. Anyway, thanks again for listening. We are Mr. and Mrs. Jones, and we got a thing. What's your thing?

So then, welcome to episode number five of the we got a thing podcast i'm mr jones did i say it wrong again i was waiting for you to say it wrong sorry