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This podcast contains explicit language and content and is for mature audiences only. Hey you teenagers out there, if you're under 18, this show is more for your parents. So now that you have that mental picture stuck in your head, put some music on and get back to doing your homework. We are a long-time married couple who's decided to chronicle our personal adventures and share our sex-positive discussions as we navigate our way through the swinging lifestyle. Care to join us? Hello, boring but the title It's boring. You need to get over that. We have a podcast to record. I know. I didn't.
It's my fault because I didn't think ahead of time. Oh, my gosh, I got to find a title. And usually I get in online and I Google and I find something kind of catchy. And I couldn't find anything. And you're like, we have to record no it took us an hour to go over the show notes and maybe two hours for you to look for a stupid title it wasn't two hours it was about an hour oh my gosh i wanted to come up with a catchy song title like i don't know like stand by me or by your side or i'll be there for you or something like that. And you weren't like nibbling on any of them.
No, because people want to look at our list of episodes and figure out what they mean so they can hit play if they're interested in it. And they also want to say, oh, that sounds like fun because I think of a catchy title. No, right. If you all haven't, we're still not used to cohabitating all day. Speaking of being connected, we're together 24 hours a day now. That's overconnected. I just downed a shot of liqueur 43 along with my lovely coconut martini that I made myself.
But I had to do the shot of liqueur 43 first because i have got to get out of work mode into sexy podcast mode yeah so my tummy's nice and warm now i think i'm getting there good but it's still a lame title i'm sorry i'll do better next month i promise yeah but yes we want to talk tonight about staying connected during play so So staying connected as a couple. And hopefully if you're playing with another couple, they stay connected as well. Yes. I believe you can be as connected as the Joneses are right now. We're doing fine, honey. I don't know.
The whole thing about the, what was it the other day? Oh yeah, two times you've accused me of throwing things away that you couldn't find i've been doing that for 30 something years but two times i mean there was a it was an adapter for your computer oh it was yeah it was the adapter that i used for the microphone to record with i know and the first thing you said was no you you know where it is? And I said, your adapter. And you said, did you throw it away?
I said, is it possible that something, wait, is it possible that there could, that something else could have happened besides me throwing it away? Right.
So we took my laptop to Desire so we could record by i know and we took a usb mic and i needed the adapter for that and then the cord got bent and we had to buy a new cord and i thought maybe when you threw the bent cord away my adapter was attached oh and then there was the um for christmas you gave me a deck of cards against humanity cards i don't know the other a couple weeks ago you asked me where they were and i said i don't know, the other, a couple of weeks ago, you asked me where they were, and I said, I don't remember. And you said, well, did you throw them away? You did it again.
Just because I don't know where something is doesn't mean I throw it away. And what happened, we had friends over last week, and we were giving them a tour of the house, and we went to the library, and I looked up on the bookshelf, and I'm like, hey, there they are. I didn't throw them away. They weren't supposed to be there. Books go on those shelves, not games. I know, but think about it. What you're saying is that I pick up a cord or I pick up a deck of cards and I'm wandering around the house and I just go by the trash can and by some reason I open the trash can and throw them away.
Why would I do that? It makes you know this is painful for people to listen to but they might understand our struggles during play time a little bit more when we get to them yeah in segment two yes stay away from the joneses anyway don't say that no we're gonna we're gonna be like red lighted by everybody yeah we want to want to be green lighted. Yeah, they're going to say those people are crazy. Yeah. So anyway, I'm feeling very comfortable now that I have liqueur 43 on my belly and a little coconut martini in front of me. Yeah, and I have some Laphroaig. What the hell is that?
It's a single malt scotch that I got in the Cancun airport when we came back from Desire in November. Oh. Yeah, I'd never had it before. It's really good. Yeah, it should be. Yeah. Well, that's why I buy it down there because it's a whole lot less expensive than here in Virginia. Yeah. It came in a fancy little case. It didn't just come in a bottle. Yeah, I think I'll have a drink or two before we continue. Why don't you start talking about this next section while I go get a straw? So much for sipping your good scotch, huh? Okay, so we have been busy. We've definitely been in work mode. Yeah.
but we have had some sexy fun too. But we've been working a lot on restructuring our course.
We've gotten some feedback from our initial launch that we did and our lovely members that have joined our community and are taking our course and we also got feedback from people who are interested in purchasing it but have not yet yes so what we did is we restructured our pricing and we made it we made our course available in smaller chunks and so what you can do now is you can buy the course module by module if you're not ready to commit to the whole thing at one point in time or maybe you've been in the lifestyle a while and you don't need the module Thank you so much for joining us.
now is you can buy the course module by module if you're not ready to commit to the whole thing at one point in time or maybe you've been in the lifestyle a while and you don't need the module on defining your lifestyle or you don't need the module on what are the different play styles and how can my partner and I experience those you know maybe you need the module on debriefing and reconnecting or something like that so those are all available a la carte now. Yeah, so did you mention that we lowered the base prices? No, I did not.
Okay, yeah, we did lower the base prices on the community and the premier because we know where they're selling now. And we feel like that's a really good value. And so, yeah, and now you can pick and choose modules if you want to and a la carte. And now we're having some fun. We've actually started creating some little mini courses. Yeah. And those are really affordable. They're not very long. I think they're, what, maybe an hour long or something like that. Under $100.
And they're designed for, they're very topic specific so like the first one that we have up and available right now is on online profiles creating an online profile on our lifestyle website yes so we it's about an hour long and it's two lessons and we talk about characteristics of a solid profile and then give you point by point um you know how to put one together and then after you guys put one together if you uh do this mini course together after you put one together we will review it if you want us to and give you some feedback on it yes and if you send us sexy pictures they'll we'll get it back to you quicker i just threw that in you're so bad the other thing that we're doing we're doing is we're going to be offering 12-month installments.
So if you want to buy the premiere of the community and you don't want to have a big cash outlay at the beginning, you can spread it over in 12 months. Right. And the other thing that we added on at the suggestion of one of our listeners is we are accepting PayPal now. The merchant processing service we use, we don't see your credit card information, but I know that that is a concern to some of you. So if you have a PayPal account now, you can pay through PayPal and we don't really end up seeing anything. We just see the email. Yeah, the email address is tied to your PayPal account.
Whatever name you put on it yeah yeah so yep we're doing that now so more discretion for you guys if that's a concern for you right and everything that we sell and that we offer all of our products even the mini courses you're going to get access to the member forum yes and what we like about our member forum is that, um, it's within our course. And once you gain access to it, it's secure. Only people that are members of our course community can access this forum. So it's super, super discreet, you know, unlike a, um, I know a lot of people are on a lot of closed Facebook and those are great.
And actually, I'm a member of a lot of closed Facebook groups, too. They're more professional than they are sexy. But, you know, the thing about Facebook groups is if your kids are playing on your phone, sometimes those will scroll up at inopportune times. Yeah, you've got to be careful what comes up in your timeline. Yeah, so we feel like our form is a more secure and discreet way to communicate. Yeah. And I think the one of the things that we're offering that's most excited now is exciting to me is the private video conference sessions.
We started out just offering them as included in the course, but now you can purchase time to chat with us individually without buying the course right so it's an a la carte item and we've had so much fun with that yeah yeah so we we've um you know some of the couples that we have chatted with video conferencing wise we kind of moved over to kick and we're kind of just staying in touch on a regular basis and that's been really fun yeah so yeah we'll we'll chat about anything that you want to and um can't make any promises but we've even talked to some people and we knew what city they lived in and we had friends in that city and we introduced them right you know so if we if you're looking for you know somebody a connection that you can trust if we know somebody in your area you know perhaps we can help arrange a meeting yeah and that's kind of been fun too although it's kind of frustrating because like we'll know that they're going out to dinner and we're sitting here in our house like working or something and we're like dang i hope they're having fun and if we know you out there don't worry you're not going to have some random stranger contacting you because we'll always contact you first yes to make sure it's okay absolutely yeah Thank you.
And if we know you out there, don't worry, you're not going to have some random stranger contacting you because we'll always contact you first to make sure it's okay. Absolutely. Yeah. So we've made quite a few changes. This is our second, we would call this like a relaunch. And we do have some more of these mini courses coming. Like we're going to do one on swinging beyond the age of 50. And that would include us in that category. We're well qualified to do that one. We're going to do one on how to talk to your spouse about the lifestyle. Yep. And then one on help. We're newbies. Yeah.
One for newbies. Yeah. Deer in the headlights, people. And if you have any ideas about what you would like us to offer in a mini course, send us an email and let us know. Yeah. I mean, it can be a topic for people that are new to the lifestyle or people that have been in the lifestyle for a long time, or maybe just, I don't know, it could be on anything really. Right. We would, we would love those ideas. Yep. And just to give you a couple other quick updates, um, for those of you who haven't signed up yet for our local meet and greet, you need to go to our website.
are in the dc virginia maryland pennsylvania north carolina area yeah mid mid eastern part of the country um mid-atlantic uh go to our website and if you're interested in the meet and greet go to the bottom of the page and give us your name and your email address and which site you're on and we'll get you in the next one which is coming up at the end of march yes yep and then we're our november trip in pearl um at the moment is sold out but you we would still encourage you to if you still want to go in november go to the website that go to the link on our website and register and get on the waiting list.
Because last year we did have quite a few couples that, you know, changed their mind about 30 or 45 days out. Right. And a lot of people did get in that were on the wait list. Right. So just because it appears to be sold out now doesn't mean that it's going to be that way in November. Right. So November is just about the full takeover. We're going at the end of June and I think there's about 20 or 25 couples signed up to go with us then. And there are still some rooms at the end of June, the 23rd to the 30th. Yep. And then of course, just in a couple of months, let's see, it's February. Yeah.
Yeah. Just in a couple of months, we're going on the desire cruise. Yep. And you can sign up. There's still a few cabins left there. Yep. And we'd love to host you for dinner. There's about two or three couples that we know that are going Thank you.
desire cruise yep and you can sign up there's still a few cabins left there yep and we'd love to host you for dinner there's about two or three couples that we know that are going yep and you know we're really excited to meet you all if y'all are going on the desire cruise um shoot us an email and let us know i mean we we need to figure out some sort of a meetup where we can all you know there's only going to be about what 300 350 couples on the ship so it should be pretty easy to find each other but yeah if you're going on the desire cruise please shoot us an email we would love to meet you especially if you're going to be there like we're going a day early to stay in barcelona yeah aren't we yes okay and we're staying a day late yes you know we're going to stay over in rome an extra night So let us know when you're coming in to town, to Barcelona.
We'd love to meet you the day we get in. Yes. Okay, enough of that business. Let's get down to keeping up with the Joneses. What have we been up to besides working and obviously bickering? Yeah. Well, we had some friends come into town. Yes. And we had been planning this for a long time. They were coming into town on vacation to visit the District of Columbia. And gosh, it was like four months out or something. They said that they were coming. Yeah. And we were like, okay. And, you know, a lot of times people will say they're coming and then they change their mind.
But no, these people didn't change our mind. Yeah. So we went up to D.C. and had dinner with them the first evening that we were with them. And then we hit it off so well that we coerced them to come down our way for steaks the next night. Yeah. We took them and showed them around our neck of the woods and took them to a brewery and got them loosened up a little bit and then came home and grilled them some steaks. Yeah, they never knew what hit them. No, seriously, another great couple. It's too bad they live so far away. I know.
And, you know, we met them on Thursday night and we drove up into D.C. to meet them. And it was just one of those evenings.
It's like, oh, my gosh oh my gosh i can't believe how late it is it was like two o'clock in the morning and we were like oh my we got to drive home yeah and it felt like we had known them forever yeah the first night so when they came down to visit us a couple days later we just it was i don't know it every once in a while you meet one of those couples yes and you're just instant friends and you know that it's going to be a long-term friendship yep and oh i forgot they're they're pretty sexy too they are well i'm just gonna focus on her she has an amazing body she does and her husband is a handsome devil yeah and quite the charmer yeah he.
Yeah. He's pretty persuasive. Yeah. In more than one way. I heard that about him. Yes. We had a wonderful time. We sure did. We may talk about that later. Yes. At least I might. We had another visitor. Unfortunately, he was in town without his spouse. Yes. But he got the award for the longest commute. Yeah, he came from halfway around the world. Yes, he did. He was in town for some training for like a month or something. Yeah. And he told us where he was and we're like, oh, yeah, we're not very far from there. So we met him for drinks one evening during the week. Yep.
And had a wonderful evening with him. Yes, we did. As well. And then the other thing that we've been up to this month was we went out to dinner with probably four of our best lifestyle besties. Yep. Last Saturday night. Yeah. Friday night. No, it was last Friday night. And it was all very proper because they live relatively close to each other. We live a good hour away. So we met them down in their neck of the woods.
So we had to behave because we were in public, and it was just a vanilla dinner with six very very sexy lifestyle friends yeah but we were doing a lot of planning because we're going to spend the weekend with them and another couple in two weeks yes so we were planning and plotting and and it was kind of like the initial intellectual foreplay well the ladies wanted to talk about boring things like what was going to be on the menu and the guys wanted to talk about what what the lingerie attire was going to be. So, okay. So, you know what I'm responsible for bringing? Games. Yeah.
Do you think I'm going to bring like the game of life or risk or... No. You know, what am I going to bring? The dumb card game. I'm going to bring the dumb card game. I might bring Cards Against Humanity. That might be kind of fun. Now that we know where it is. Yeah. Try not to throw it away before we go. And all the ladies are planning like signature cocktails of the day. Yeah. And we did talk about lingerie. Yeah. And food and snacks. Hopefully it won't snow.
You know, you can only have so much sex without food food's kind of important yeah yeah i guess that's an afterthought yeah the house has a hot tub and has a wood-burning fireplace yeah we'll keep it nice and toasty warm yes for you ladies oh that's nice i don't have to bring like slippers and like hoodies and stuff nope nope okay once you Okay. Once you get into the cabin, you're going to be all toasty. Yeah. Okay. So that's what's going on with the Joneses. I guess we better take a break and then come back and talk about staying connected during play. Such an exciting title.
It'll be a much more exciting segment than its title. Okay. All right. We'll be right back.
Welcome back to segment two tonight i'm gonna throw stand by me in front of the title staying connected during play okay okay because i mean the bottom line is that we have to have each other's backs yes so um do you feel better now not really because i probably could have done better if i would have planned better okay let's move on yeah i know but as mr jones and i are kind of reflecting back on our lifestyle experiences you know i we we've been doing this a while now i mean four years so as we kind of reflect back on the different types of experiences we've had, one thing about being in the lifestyle for a while that can be dangerous is you can kind of become complacent.
Yes. And I think that has happened to us not only recently, but it's maybe even at first when we had had a couple good experiences and we're like, we got this figured out, you know, and then maybe we were overconfident and, and now I, you know, we, we kind of sort of do have it figured out, but now I think it's more complacency than overconfidence, but sometimes we have allowed ourselves to become disconnected from each other during play. Yes. And we recently talked about soft swap and how much we enjoyed that.
And I think it was that soft swap that we had once or twice that made us realize that we had kind of been complacent about not staying connected. Right, so that was basically the catalyst to coming up with this topic for our podcast this month, along with... Along with. So how we come up with topics, we've got five or six in the hopper just waiting. And then we get emails from people and then we experience things. And so we just kind of look to see what's going on.
And we got an email from a couple that we want to share with you that made us realize that this is probably the right time to talk about this topic right okay hello mr and mrs jones like seemingly many swinging couples we have met my wife and i have entered the lifestyle after 20 years of marriage leading up to that decision we had many discussions read books rooms, etc. in an effort to educate and prepare ourselves for this adventure. Smart couple.
We have learned a lot, but on one issue we haven't seen addressed directly is that of remaining connected with your spouse during play with another couple. We've become friends with the couple that we met through chatting. We all get along well, and there is definitely reason to believe that we have a basis for a long-term friends-with-benefits relationship. We recently had our first play date with them. Our first experience was thrilling in many ways, but because of the excitement and newness, I was not as attentive as I should have been to my spouse's needs during play.
This has caused her to feel that she was somehow secondary in my eyes. From my actions in the heat of the moment, I can certainly see why she felt the way that she did, but of course, in no way do I feel that she is second to anyone. Understandably, she has some emotional trauma stemming from that evening. We want this relationship to continue, but at the same time don't want to have a situation arise that would cause my wife to experience those negative feelings again.
Although I made an effort to make eye contact, to touch, and to remain connected with my spouse during play, and of course I pledged to do the same the next time, this can be a struggle for me. One, it's easy to get caught up with another partner, especially when it's all new. Two, I have a hard time picking up on what others may perceive as obvious signals or expressions, body language, and things of that nature. For all of my positive qualities, I'm really dense, or as Mrs. Jones would say, a blockhead, when it comes to this, and not just in swinging situations, but also in everyday life.
We have tried to brainstorm about strategies that we can employ to make sure that this doesn't happen again. We have some ideas but are always interested in others' perspectives on this topic. So first of all, my friend, I just called you a blockhead and I'm sorry, but I'm not saying that to insult you. I'm just saying that it's so typical for guys to not be able to read the minds of their wives. And the missus, someday I hope I get to meet you in person and I'll give you a hug because I'm so with you. Yeah, she was looking at me when she used the term blackhead.
Yeah, and when we sat down to talk about this, um, topic, we, we thought that, um, we've experienced this. So it would be a, it's a good time to bring it up. I know. And I, I am really, um, when I start looking back on my collective lifestyle experiences, um, I kind of, I don't know, I am not necessarily in a great place right now and I can't put my finger on it. You mean in the lifestyle? Yeah. Um, I, and I can't really put my finger on it and it's not, um, attributable to any one experience. Um, and I've had some amazing experiences lately.
But collectively, when I put it all together, I'm feeling like you and I have become somewhat complacent. And I'm almost kind of starting to resent it. And that's kind of harsh. But I feel like if I can't be honest on this podcast, then I'm kind of just, kind of just I don't want to be a fake. Right. This is this is kind of real for us right now. And I don't you know, everybody always says, oh, the Joneses have it all together. Well, not so much. Well, and I think it's important to reiterate that it's come to a head not because of anything that's happened recently.
This is something that just over a period of time, we've allowed to interfere because of our complacency and our not being intentional to stay connected. Right. And, and you know what? Um, and I can't honestly remember if I mentioned this on a previous podcast, but we had an experience last fall with a couple. And that experience was so wonderful for me. I was able to completely let go, emotionally let go, and just experience the raw physical pleasure of playing with this person that I had been looking forward to playing with for a really long time. And I had the most amazing time.
And actually, you had an amazing time as well. It was that amazing four-way connection, just a genuine friendship and just complete trust in that room yeah so all four of us got to experience exactly what we were wanting to get out of of the experience and afterwards as i reflected on it i remember almost feeling guilty about how much fun i had and i was like wait a minute why am I feeling guilty? Cause I had fun. You know, I, I shouldn't feel guilty about that. I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything behind your back. I didn't break any rules or boundaries.
Um, I didn't do anything to upset the other couple. So why am I feeling guilty just because I had fun and I was so amazingly satisfied. And I um, there's been this piling on of, um, imbalanced experiences that we've had over time. And I would say if I had to, um, kind of weigh it, sometimes you have fun more than I do. Yeah. And, and, you know, sometimes I have more fun than you do, or sometimes it's 50 50, which is amazing when that happens, because that means you have that, that nice balance connection. Um, but it, it seems like it falls in your favor more than it does mine. Yeah.
I was going to say, sometimes you have a better time than I do, but for the most part,'s the other way around right usually I'm the one that is really connected and sometimes you know you're struggling or or there's some struggling going on on the other side of the bed right so before we go any further though let's let's talk about the mathematics behind this situation, because think about it this way. Okay, you've agreed to full swap with a couple. Okay. So there's four of you. Yeah. We've transitioned to play. Yes.
And a lot of times, you and the woman are either bi-curious or bisexual, you know, you're interested in each other. Yes. So all four of us are on the same bed. So she can be with you. Then she's and you two can connect. Yep. And that's always fun. Yep. And then that's no problem because, well, let me go on. I don't want to get ahead of myself. So she could be with you. Then she's with me and she and I want to connect with each other. Right. That makes sense. You're right. Then you're with him and you want to connect with each other. Yes.
But then somehow in the middle of all that, we want to somehow stay connected with each other. You mean you and I? Yeah. Okay. And we'd like the other couple to stay connected with each other. As well. Yeah. So do you know how many connections? Did you cross all the lines? Yeah, I lost count. Yeah, that's the point. Right. Is that before, I think we may ultimately have some ideas to stay connected.
But if you just consider the odds that you're going to meet a couple that you connect with to begin with and you end up in this transition and you end up in this play area, just because of all of those different connections, how nearly impossible it is to keep everything equally connected. Yes. Okay. But that's still the goal good luck and the other thing is that i want to get your opinion on this because i'll give you mine but connection and is a subjective term we're not physically like stuck to each other. This is an emotional connection and a physical connection.
Uh, so how I would think that we should be connected or are connected is going to be my perspective. And then each person on the bed is going to have, um, an idea of what that connection means to them. Yes. Right? Yeah. Okay. So how in the world, I mean, how do you even start trying to work through all of that to solve the situation of staying connected?
well i think when so can i critique so the a couple of the experiences i have in my head um they're both very similar and one is sort of kind of recent and one is from probably two years ago um it's kind of some sometimes we get in this divide and conquer situation I'll see you next time. You know, one is from probably two years ago. It's kind of some, sometimes we get in this divide and conquer situation. What do you mean by that? If the other lady is bi comfortable, you know, she and I might play around a little bit.
but most of the time, the initial, the, like when we're transitioning, usually it's me flirting with the husband and you flirting with the wife, whether we're just, um, sharing cocktails together and conversation and sexy lingerie, or whether we're playing the dumb card game or you know whatever we're doing socially to to create that um that transition into sexuality of some sort whether it's you know we start to kiss um sometimes that just become you get tunnel vision like you want so bad for this other person, for me, the other husband, and for you, the other wife to, um, start connecting with me and wanting to kiss me and wanting to desire me.
And I, and you know, when I feel that feeling reciprocated by that person, I just want to focus on that. And that's my goal. And you have the same goal with the other spouse. So the divide and conquer comes in because I'm so challenged by the idea of making this person want me, that that becomes my focus and I lose focus of what's going on with you. I'm like, well, good luck over there, buddy. And you know, I'm busy. And, and I know you got, you can handle yourself. I can tell things are going great over there. And then I'm just focused on what's going on with me. And, um, and that's okay.
I guess as long as everything goes well on both ends, but if one of us starts to struggle with that connection and the other person is full steam ahead I think that's where I get frustrated and for whatever reason it it's usually me and the other spouse that are struggling I don't know what that's a whole nother podcast I'm sure or an appointment with a counselor. So, okay, I like the way that you explain that. So when you're focused on him and trying to make that connection, and I'm focused on her, and she and I are making a connection, and I'm a blockhead guy, let's just throw that in.
And talk about the scenario that happens more frequently, and that's that you perceive that I'm better connected with her than you are with him. So the blood's rushing quickly out of my head. I'm not using this as an excuse. This is really what happens. And I feel like she's attracted to me and I know she is. And then she knows I'm attracted to her. And so there's this like tractor beam or this gravitational pull. That's exactly right. Yeah. And so we're being drawn into each other. Yes. And if something, if the same thing is not happening with you. And it is happening with me at first. Yeah.
Right. Which, which even makes it more difficult because once we, she and I do come together and we, your heart rate is elevated and you're breathing and you're kissing and arms and are closed, and things are going, for me to have to, A, look across the bed. That's difficult. B, comprehend that something's not quite going well. and C, for me to initiate a separation between the lady and myself so that then four, or excuse me, I don't want to switch to numbers, D, then I go to the other side of the bed. That's, I know in my head. You couldn't even count to four just now. I know.
And we have our clothes on, and there's nobody else in the room but us. That's exactly my point, is as much as I know I'm sitting here now tonight with a resting heart rate, and we're being logical, and so the blood is in my head. I know that that's what I need to do. But realistically, I may not realize it at that time. And even if I can, you know, pulling out of that is going to be a tall order, even though I know that that's what I should be doing. Yeah. And it's not an excuse.
I just, you know, that's what i should be doing yeah and it's not an excuse i i just you know that's this imbalance that occurs when when two of you are connected and and to the other two are not so that's the conundrum that we're in here i mean how do we solve that besides you i mean I don't know what do you think well okay so we get into the bedroom and you know lady and i will play together which i love and that's always fun and i know you guys enjoy that too um and then you know once we kind of re kind of regroup and and go to like i'll start playing with the husband and you start playing with the wife.
One thing you and I have not been doing well is coming back together. And I kind of miss it because one way to solve this problem is to not just be twosy-twy on the bed try to create those interesting combinations where four people are enjoying one another all at the same time yeah and sometimes full swap um detracts from the the um possibilities i guess yeah you know and again, I, I'm a full swap couple and I love full swap, but, um, I've enjoyed our soft swap experiences lately because, um, it forces you to be more creative. Yeah. And I see where you're going with that.
And so hold that thought. Okay. But I want to go back to something. Okay. Because what you've jumped to is a potential remedy. All right. And I like that. But before we go there, to go back to the email that we just read. Okay. So in this case, it was the same scenario that you and I are describing. He's connected and she's not. Right. Now I would guess, correct me if I'm wrong, that when a disconnection starts to occur on one side of the bed, the person that's experiencing that disconnection knows it before the person on the other side of the bed. No kidding. Okay.
So therefore, let me just throw this out there delicately, ladies. But if you feel disconnected, this could possibly happen. This is hypothetical, okay, honey? You could be staring at me thinking, I'm disconnected over here. How come he's not noticing? Or how come he's not looking at me? Or how long am I going to have to? Been there, done that. Yeah. Okay, keep going. So my question is, what about the person who feels disconnected first? That's the earliest point of intervention.
And if I don't know when that's happening initially, what can the person who feels it first do to help send a signal across the bed? Well, rubbing your leg doesn't work. Been there, done that.
Yeah, you had to pull the hair on my leg yeah you have a bald spot back there that didn't work either no it did that finally got my attention if you say so okay but specifically in this email though there was no indication that she did anything you know she she was upset and afterwards told him that, this happened yeah so you know you she could have and and i know this is easier said than done but you know to be able to do something in the as soon as it starts to happen i think is the first thing we need to look at like what could you do or what could i do and let me give an example now we can go back to where you were because I like the idea like if this was a football game so there's a halftime you're gonna get in trouble before this is over I'm just saying no no okay no I'm not let's just say the first half is soft swap okay and there's gonna be a intermission and you talk about it ahead of time.
Well, you, we kind of usually do that. Yeah, but we don't talk about it ahead of time. We usually say full swap and an intermission may occur before we engage with the other couple. The intermission is getting the condoms. What I'm saying is to your point and what we've just learned with soft swapping recently is when you commit to soft swap, this disconnecting thing becomes almost a non-issue. Because even if you do get disconnected, in the back of your mind, you know that's okay. Right.
Because I know he's going to come back to me or she's going to come back to me so it doesn't bother you as much right so then you have a half time or and then you regain your wits a little bit get something to drink and then reconvene and say are we and i don't even mean huddle up sorry to use the football term again but at that point in time it would be so easy you don't even have to say anything it would be so easy to just come back over to me and we could just start playing yeah you know so i'm just wondering if why did it take four years for you to suggest this i just happened to think about it with silence i just thought about it when you were when you were talking about soft swap, because you're right.
Honey, you're a genius. The mentality during soft swap is so much more comfortable. Yeah.
But I'm telling you, as a guy, when somebody gives me the green light for full swap, I try to take my time, and I'm getting better at that, but I have an I have an objective right and with soft swap you're my objective and the person that I'm with is the foreplay so it's a completely different mindset and you don't have the connectivity but I don't want to give up just like you I don't want to say we're a soft swap couple but somehow combining that the mentality of soft swap and then the freedom of full swap if things go well, is where I think this, you know, paradise or whatever it is that I'm describing that exists.
Yeah. I'm not sure how practical that is, but. No, but I think that um, it, I don't know. There's gotta be a way to take the pressure off. I think a lot of it has to do with pressure and expectations. Like, um, so maybe, you know, the whole expectation thing, maybe when the evening begins, every both couples have the right mindset. Well, we, we don't know exactly what's going to going to happen. You know, we're hopeful, but we're not really going to make any assumptions.
But then as the night goes on and the sexy flirting starts and everything seems like it's green-lighted, you know, I think sometimes you get to that point where you're like, okay, well, two full swap couples here, full steam ahead. Yeah. And, and it's like, you know, you cross the starting line and then nobody looks back. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So here's another dynamic that we haven't talked about yet. If, okay, let me, let me take the heat this time. Let's just say things aren't going well on my side of the bed. Okay.
Not only do I start to feel disconnected, but the other wife, the person that I'm with, starts to sense it too. Right. So there are two other people on the bed. So if I become disconnected, then she's disconnected. Right. So rather than focus now on what I need to do to reconnect with you, I'll see you next time. So if I become disconnected, then she's disconnected. Right. So rather than focus now on what I need to do to reconnect with you, she should be looking to reconnect with her husband. Right. And if that doesn't happen, then you start to wonder why it's not happening there as well.
Right. Because there's two couples in the bed, not just us. Right. So for example, if I noticed that she and I are not connected, I could say, you know, hey, do you want to go back to your husband? Even before I would say, I want to go back to my wife, I'd say, hey, do you want to go back to your husband? Right.
could say you know what you know I think I need time with my husband so it's not just on you and me the other couple has a responsibility to yes sense that and react to it as well and I think in some of the times that if I'm thinking of the same situations you've been thinking about the the woman let's say might be with me and you guys on the other side of the beds become disconnected and basically are just laying there and she doesn't notice that her husband's not engaged right you know so that lack of awareness one you didn't notice it that your wife wasn't engaged either right there's two of us is what i'm saying right yeah so you know i there's a a lot of responsibility among all four people yeah and it really takes all four people being aware and staying engaged at the proper level to make that four-way connection work.
Yes.
So when we talked about going to dinner with four of our best friends, let's start from that perspective because when you do have a situation where you're with another couple and there's a four-way connection, sometimes it happens the first time you meet them but more times than not you have to form a friendship with them and it could be the second or the third or the fourth time right it builds over a period of time right so when you're with a couple for the first time the expectation of a four-way connection i think should be you should be a lot more aware of having to go back to your spouse.
Right. And there's a greater chance for, you know, not having a four-way connection or somebody becoming disconnected. Right. But now, once, because we do have good friends that, you know, I wasn't connected with at first and you were. And then over a period of time getting to know them, you know, it got a whole lot better. And now there's no problem at all. Well, I think that's natural. I mean, just think about, think about when you're first with somebody and don't even think lifestyle, just think, think about when you're first engaging in a sexual relationship with somebody.
I mean, the first time you have sex with somebody everybody's nervous and and it's really not that spectacular yeah i mean you might recognize that it has a lot of promise yeah um and that definitely helps draw you back to that person but usually the first time you're with somebody isn't that great anyway yeah and think about the lifestyle i mean how many people are you only with once right and then you you move on because either you don't live locally or you just there wasn't enough there like maybe friendship wise or sexual chemistry wise to draw you back to them yeah no so in a way it's kind of like you don't even give them a chance yeah and some of this has to do with a couple being new to the lifestyle as well and if i can defend the gentleman in the email uh for for a moment um you don't need to defend him i no no no yeah no i want to defend blockhead he's just a guy i want to defend him to his wife okay okay earlier i was talking about when something went missing in this household the first thing you jumped to was me throwing it in the trash can.
Okay. So what I'm going to suggest here is just because your husband doesn't realize that isn't connected with you doesn't mean that he doesn't care about you and he doesn't want to be with you. Oh, you're totally right. Yeah. So a lot of it is just an overreaction like Amy G. Dalla flipping your lid from episode 41. So your perception may be that he is a, he's paying more attention to someone else because of you fill in the blank. She's prettier. She's the newest thing. Um, you know, she's this, she's taller than I am or whatever.
Unfortunately, in women, that part of your brain works a lot of the time. Right. It likes to be in control. Right. So try to take that into consideration when you're reconnecting and debriefing afterwards so that you can take a few breaths and say, okay, what really happened here? Because I know you weren't over there falling in love with her. So since we can rule that out, let's talk about what happened and what we might be able to do. Right. And the only thing I want from you when this happens is I just want you to help try to equalize the situation. Right. I don't want you to fix it.
You know, usually when I need something from you, there's a light bulb burnout over my desk and I want you to fix it and I want you to fix it right now. Yeah. And I don't want to get the ladder. I want you to get the ladder. Right. I don't need you to fix this. I just need you to equalize it. And, and maybe the equalizing is just kind of like tone it down a notch. Um, or maybe it is to transition from her back to me and let the evening end in a soft swap situation where we each come back to our own partners. So everybody feels more comfortable. It's not about me.
If I'm uncomfortable, it's usually because somebody else is uncomfortable. I can be pretty easy going in lifestyle situations and I can usually roll with the situation pretty well. So when I'm not feeling it, there's something going on and it's not necessarily something physical it's it's a dynamic that's out of balance right and and here's if i can be completely honest that means don't reach across the table you know i'm gonna kick you You're going to do that anyway.
I mentioned before that, you know, for me, like full swap, when I start, even with you, when we start having sex, there's an objective. I want to have an orgasm. I mean, or I want you to have one too. But there's an objective. Right. That's why I like to play with my vibrator for a long time first. Yeah. Because, yeah. Yeah, I know. Not that you're not attentive to me, but yeah. I know you're in game. So as a guy, when I'm with the other woman and I've engaged, so to speak, and I'm on my mission, it's a bit of a hit to my ego to not finish and to not finish what I started.
And so I know in my head, I already told you this, I know what I need to do. And obviously, we've been through this enough, you know, now that, you know, you're secure and how I feel about you. So it has nothing to do with that. But sometimes I feel briefly, a bit of disappointment that I have to be pulled away from something that I was enjoying. And it goes away quickly. I'm just being honest with you because, because there is that connection, you know, you do have that chemistry and you're connected.
So not only do I have to physically disconnect, but then emotionally I have to say, oh my gosh, I was having a lot of fun. And I don't, I know this sounds horrible because it sounds like coming back to you and finishing with you is, is second, your second fiddle. That's not at all what I'm saying because once I do disengage and once I do get with you as evidence of what I normally leave behind, I'm, I'm perfectly fine. I'm just. No, I get it. No, I get it. Yeah, I get it. Sometimes that's a little hard to hear. But I get it, and I know that it's just a transition that's hard. Right. Yeah.
So is there any way that we can come up with just one or two or three things, even if we don't do them ourselves, that we could jump in? Well, back to my solution. I think what you and I have not been intentional about lately 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 10. 11. 12. 13. 13. 14. 14. 15. 16.
don't do them ourselves we could you know jump well you know back to my solution i think what you and i have not been intentional about lately is being a little bit more creative in the bed yeah i think we've gotten into kind of a rut where like back to that whole divide and conquer thing i think if there's a way that we could engage and um you know play ahead of time before we get to the condoms and the penetrative sex, um, a way that we could engage with the other couple, whether it's me with her or, you know, me with him and, or she and I on him.
I mean, who doesn't like a double blowjob, right? Right. Or vice versa. I won't leave you out. But I think there's lots of ways to have fun ahead of time where it's more of the, not a four-way emotional connection, but the four-way physical connection. and and then maybe that would kind of relax everybody and connect everybody so that when if we do decide to finish up with a full swap situation, maybe at that point that would help equalize everybody. So everybody's engaged and relaxed and having fun. And then we can just finish having sex and finish.
Yeah, I think the reality of that that happening might be a stretch but i think what we're saying is in a perfect world what we would to to describe a scenario i think that tells the story of what you just said is we would be with another couple and we would be going into the bedroom and we would say okay let's stop a minute and have our chat. Here's what we'd like to do. We would like to stay soft swap for the first half hour. And then we would like to take a little break.
And at that point in time, give any one of the four people here veto power to stay soft swap no questions asked because i think a lot of times even if we said hey let's go talk to your husband or go talk to your wife one of them still may out of sense of an obligation or not want to hurt anybody's feelings say oh i know you that i know that you're really going to be disappointed so let's go ahead and do that if we would just give 25 equal voice to everyone and say yes no and say thank you for saying no we're going to finish with soft swap we're going to have a blast and finish the evening i know that that's rarely going to happen okay i would never be the person that would say no like i yes.
I would never be the last person to say, I'm not feeling it. Yeah. That's not going to happen. Yeah, no. That's what I said. It's not going to happen, but that's the type of environment that you want to create where somebody feels that they have the freedom to choose to say know whether they do or not is right. It might be a stretch. Okay. So I'm going to look at it a different way. However you engage with somebody when the four people are in the bed, you know, whether the ladies start off together and then you switch to the, you know, the opposite partner.
So I'm playing with the husband and you're playing with the wife. Um, I think the bottom line is that we just need to watch each other better and we need to see what's going on on the other side of the bed and have some sort of a signal, you know, like if I grab your ankle, that doesn't mean I love you.
that means hello look over here you know like if i grab your ankle that doesn't mean i love you that means hello look over here you know and and i don't know what that signal is going to be because i've tried that before and it hasn't worked um so you and i need to do a better job of planning ahead of time and i and i think just um keeping it a little more switched up and fresh I'll see you next time.
And I, and I think just, um, keeping it a little more switched up and fresh throughout the whole play experience to give people opportunities to gravitate away from something that may not be working instead of just trying to power through just kind of naturally trying to transition and transition and transition into different ways of engaging with the other people. Yeah, and I think an easy way to do that, or more a practical way to do that, or realistic way is to say, somebody could say, hey, you know what? You know what I'd really like to do? I'd really like to do whatever. Right.
And come up with an idea that, you know, what was that? The leaning tower or the whatever. The Eiffel Tower. The Eiffel Tower. I don't know. whatever right and and come up with an idea that you know what was that the leaning tower or the whatever the eiffel tower yeah have you ever done the eiffel tower or hey have you ever had a double blow job you know to be able to throw out things like that immediately it changes the dynamic in the room and people stop and they refocus and then they say yeah i'm i'm all in for all in for that.
So maybe in the back of your mind, have a scenario that you want to throw out there to say, Hey, why don't we try this? Because rarely is somebody going to, I don't know a guy who's going to turn down a double blow job, but you know, haven't met one yet. No, no.
But you know, I think that you and I are maybe, maybe we're just forgetting to have fun you know i think are we becoming more um objective oriented you know where it's just all about the end game and about the full swap and let's get out the condoms and have sex yeah and i think that's a i think that's a trap that we're slipping into and i think that's a trap a lot of people that have been in the lifestyle a long time fall into when you hear people say oh you're soft swap so you're not real swingers um or you hear people that are full swap and i say well we're only full swap let's just get that on the table first and not waste any more of our time yeah you know i don't ever want to get to that point because i don't and i don't think we're near that point but i think that's no not after a couple weeks ago with our friends that came into town on vacation i know yeah soft swap is not a bad thing i think we soft swap twice because we went out of town and soft swap yeah that's right anyway i lost my train of thought sorry um i mean communication hand signals, pulling the hair on your leg, taking a break, having an idea to throw out to change things up, getting up to get a glass of water or a bottle of water, you know, whatever it is that you think you need to discuss ahead of time to say, this is what we're going to do if and when this happens or it could be you know what it's not that big of a deal it's never happened to us before if it happens we're just going to go through with it and we'll we'll worry about it later because maybe some people don't analyze things to death like we do okay wait a minute you lost me what does that mean well i mean maybe being disconnected with one couple um isn't that big of a deal to a couple oh okay yeah all right i mean maybe one night yeah yeah happens here then yeah i'm glad you had a good time you know what i i i take responsibility i green lighted it no chemistry there but i didn't want to you.
Glad you had a good time. Let's go home. So are you saying you're taking one for the team there? No, because no, you just became disconnected. Like you said, you know, pre play was fine. Yeah. You get into the bedroom, something's not going well. You don't feel the chemistry. You come disconnected. You know, if it doesn't happen that often, maybe you just don't make a big deal out of it. Yeah, that's true. I mean, luckily it doesn't happen very often for us. You know, I'm just kind of reflecting back on experiences over, you know, a four year period. Yeah.
And, and coming back to this gentleman's email, they're new to the lifestyle. So everything that they're doing now is a first experience. And so that first experience is a whole lot more emotional. It's a whole lot more overwhelming. Everything is just magnified to a certain degree. And you have a feeling that this is not what I bought into. Something is going haywire, alarms and bells are going off. So some of it has to do with just simple experience in the lifestyle. Right. Right.
And, you know, and from the, from the wife's perspective, I mean, I totally get how she, like he said, she's experiencing emotional trauma from it. I get it because, you know, you're, you're my wingman. You're supposed to have my back. And when you're over there having a blast and blast and I'm like over here like, hello? Why don't you understand that I'm not having fun over here? I need your support. I need your help. I need you to find me a way out of this situation. And you're just over there having fun.
I mean, truly, you know, like all these like Bugs Bunny cartoons come into my mind and I need just a big rubber mallet that I can bash your head with or something. You're over there knitting a fucking sweater. Yeah, there is that. We love you, see. Yeah, I mean, it's frustrating as a wife that you are my soulmate. You know me better than anyone. How can you completely be oblivious to the fact that I need a change in the environment and I need your help to make that happen? And you're clueless. Is this a good time for a commercial? No, it's not. Okay.
Because I'm not the only person that feels this way, obviously, since our lovely listener sent us this message. Yeah. So, I mean, it happens to everybody. That's the bottom line. Yeah. Well, if it doesn't happen to you, you might be a little bit in denial. Well, I guess we, we, uh, the bottom line here is we have no idea what to do and we screw up ourselves. And this whole episode needs to go in the can. This is pathetic. It's pathetic, but it's real.
It does happen to everybody at some point in time yes um we just have to find a way to stay connected whether that's through different play situations or whether it's through better signals during play through you and i you know between you and i or whether it's better communication ahead of play through you and I, you know, between you and I, or whether it's better communication ahead of time between you and I, we need to do better. Okay. I promise to do better. Thank you. And as always, if you guys have ideas, send them our way. Obviously we need help here.
So yes, any advice advice or messages and maybe we'll do a mini course on staying connected once we figure it out once you tell us how to do it yeah we're not going to charge you 99 so we have a good solution for you we might have to pay people 99 to get their ideas i don't know yeah geez this is a tough one yeah i think it's pretty common yeah unfortunately yeah I wish it wasn't but this is real alright well can we talk about a tough one yeah i think it's pretty common yeah unfortunately yeah i wish it wasn't but this is real all right well can we talk about sexy things now yeah we have had sexy fun all right when we come back we're gonna get into snapshots do you have yours ready i do okay we'll be right bedroom.
Okay has to have something to do with sex. Because you can have sex on the balcony or outside or in the kitchen. It doesn't have to be in the bedroom. Okay, well, that's true. Mine doesn't have to do with any of that. But we went to dinner last week with two other couples that, you know, we mentioned this earlier.
They're wonderful, wonderful lifestyle friends, both in and out of the bedroom pants on pants off as cnd like to say and um we were uh seated at a table for six and our server was a hoot yeah so when we sat down it was um it was kind of a it's a table where it's like a booth on one side and just chairs on the other side. So there was a long like bench area and the ladies sat on the bench and then there were three chairs across and then you gentlemen sat on the chairs. So our server was super friendly and engaging. Can I interrupt you? Yeah.
So the, the configuration though was you and I were sitting in the middle you were sitting in the middle of the two ladies and I was sitting in the middle of the two gentlemen so you and I were directly across from each other right however the other couple's wife was sitting across from the other husband right so that comes into play right it was a little confusing yeah so the the lady lady, the server came to take our orders, and we were trying to kind of explain who belonged to whom. And my friend said, well, my husband's over there. And she kind of pointed diagonally across the table.
And the server was like, oh, I get it. You guys like to switch it up. Yeah. And nobody heard. Everybody was talking. but she said it to my girlfriend and i'm sitting right next to her and and um our my girlfriend just kind of like giggled a little bit and then she leaned over to me and then then the server started talking to somebody else and my girlfriend leaned over to me and she said if she only knew how much we'd like to switch it up and she and i were just howlingling and laughing. I know. Well, she said it again because I didn't hear that one. But the server was standing by me one time.
Well, then at the end of the meal, when she was trying to figure out who belonged to who for the checks. Yeah, she said something about y'all like to switch it up. And I said, well, we do like to switch it up. How did you know? But I didn't know that she had said it. You said something about that's what we do. Yeah, I said that's what we do switch it up. Yeah.
I but i didn't know that she had said it you said something about that's what we do that's what we do we do switch it up yeah i might have crossed a little bit of a line there i think her eyes might have opened slightly wider than normal but she she took it all in stride but it was hilarious she was really good so you were able to see the look on her face oh yeah she totally she totally picked up on what you were saying oh okay but she was professional and took it all in stride you know waitresses they know everything yeah they've seen it all yeah that's true we were talking about some stuff during that meal too i swear nobody seemed to flinch yeah we were not being very appropriate yeah it was fun yeah it was fun'm going to, I'm going to draw mine out a little because you didn't have any sex in yours.
So I'm going to put a little extra in mine. Okay. Okay. Can I embellish if I jump in? Feel free. All right. So the friends that we had that came into town a couple of weeks ago, we were, we were playing. Yes. I was with her and you were with him. Yeah. And this was going to be a soft swap. We had already called. They were actually very new to the lifestyle. Yeah. And we had called ahead of time, soft swap. So we had been playing for a while and I was having fun. I mean, I went down on her. She went down on me. We did a lot of kissing. At one point in time, we looked over at you.
This was speaking of a four-way connection. We looked over at you, and he had your legs up, and you had your boots on. and he crossed your legs and he had your boots on and he, and he crossed your legs and he had his arms wrapped around your boots and it looked like he was fucking you, but his cock was in between your legs going up and it popped up above your thighs every once in a while. But he was, and then she was mesmerized by that.
She said, Oh my gosh really sexy so we stopped and watched that you did i don't remember that i remember what he was doing but i didn't realize you guys were had stopped and watched yeah so anyway she and i started kissing again and she leaned back and she started playing with herself and that just like i watched that i saw that well when she she was leaning back and playing with herself and i sat up and i put my fingers inside of her and she had an orgasm and i think there was some squirting that was going on.
But I think watching you guys, in addition to what she and I had been doing, brought her to that place. And once that happened, he said, I think it's time to go back to our spouses. And anyway, my snapshot was when, and I didn't have to have a condom on, you know, that's the good thing you got going for you, honey. Yeah. Um, yeah, we're fixed. Yeah. So, so she went back to him and I went back with you and you were on your back and I finished on your belly. Yes, you did. Well, no, you finished like from chin to belly button. Yeah. It was kind of everywhere.
Yeah, and that was brewing for a while. That was a hot. That was a hot soft swap experience. Anybody who doesn't think that soft swap is hot, that was. So that was two in a row. Yeah. Because we went out of town and met our friend and soft swapped and that was a ridiculous night i know and now these guys yeah so my snapshot was yeah that was very hot i didn't know you guys were watching us oh yeah that was crazy well that's what he was doing to me was killing me it was so sexy it was. But see, that's how I know that she's connected with him.
Because she said, oh, she looked over and she said, oh, that's so hot. Right. And so then I stopped and looked over too. And it was hot. And I loved just laying there and watching. Yeah. So if she would have never paid attention or I would have never paid attention. So the fact that she looked over, that showed how connected the two of them were. Right. Which in turn helped me to reconnect with what was going on over there. Right, because you were appreciating watching me. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then watching her play with herself. I mean, a lot of ladies don't. She's so sexy.
A lot of ladies don't do that. I mean, they'll play with toys in front of us, but to actually masturbate, that was pretty hot. It was. Oh, that was a fun weekend. Excuse me while I take a drink of my Laphroaig here. Okay. So, what episode number is this? 46? I don't even know. 46. Yeah, so let's bring 46 to a close. Yeah. Do you want to say something about desire again? Well, I, you know, if you have signed up to go to desire, you think you've signed up through our websites and you're attempting to be part of our group, please send us an email and let us know.
Sometimes there's little bumps in the road with desire and their technology and and sometimes our lists aren't as complete as they could be yeah so send us a note um i know c from swinging down under has been trying to to keep a handle on the november trip but you know we're kind of on our own with the june trip and we think there's about you know 25 ish couples 25 30 couples that are coming with us yeah so let us know and we know that you premiere members out there and if you don't know what premiere means and you don't need to know unless you are um we know you can't book through our affiliate link but we also know that you want to probably be included in our group if you're listening to us so let us know that as well and you know we'll make sure that you're included yeah um and then my cruise people we are so excited about our cruise and we're like lifestyle cruise virgins and we're excited and nervous and we really want to know that there's some peeps out there that we can meet ahead of time yes so send us an email and we'll figure out if there's a kick group out there that we can all join or we'll start our own kick group or something so that we get to know each other before the end of April.
Yes. So just to clarify, if we've already corresponded with you about June or November or the cruise, or you've already corresponded with C from Swinging Down Under. Then we're good to go. We're good. Yeah. But if you haven't heard from us or you haven't heard from C, reach out to us and let us know that you're going to be there so we can get you on the list and make sure that we know everyone's accounted for. Yes. Okay. Well, I think, um, we've learned some lessons tonight. I think this was a good therapy session. Thank you all for being our therapist.
You know, we got virtual therapists out there. Yeah. I think we feel better. Yes. Hopefully what we said makes some sort of sense. We helped ourselves. I don't know if we helped anybody else out there, but we hope we did. Now, you know, the importance, you know, every podcast we beg for your emails. And this email that we got was timely and it was just the right thing at the right, the right story at the right time. Yep. So please continue to email us. You can reach me at mrjones at wegotathing.com, W-E-G-O-T-T-A-T-H-I-N-G.com. And mrsjones, M-R-S-J-O-N-E-S at wegotathing.com.
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Which will be a few days before when you guys hear this podcast. But yeah, so naughty stockings can be rebranded for cupid little gifts or whatever yes and there's a special discount code for our course that's right stocking list we won't say what it is yes it is and if you are subscribed to our newsletter and you didn't get it you need to check your spam yes because some people are saying it's going in their junk mail. I know I have that problem when I subscribe to newsletters. So if for some reason you didn't get it or you want the naughty list. Just head to our website.
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