Episode 4- New Year-- New Friends!

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This podcast contains explicit language and is for mature audiences only. If you're under 18, this show is intended more for your parents. So, take that mental image with you and get back to doing your homework. We are a couple choosing to share our personal experiences and opinions that should in no way be misconstrued as professional advice.

okay welcome back everyone i'm mr jones and i'm mrs jones and we'd like to welcome you back to episode number four of the we got a thing podcast so we're going to invite you to spend the next hour or so with us as we share our adventures in the swinging lifestyle and discuss topics centered around sex positive open-minded relationships yeah and as you can tell mrs jones has been, you lost your voice about for about 10 days. Yes. I lost my voice on New Year's Eve and it's not because I was like screaming or being wild and crazy. Well, you were, but.

Well, I was, but yeah, there's been some sort of a bug going around and it's been one of those bugs where you're not flat on your back sick, but yeah, I lost my voice and it so frustrating so i apologize in advance for all the gravel this is the best i got right now i think you sound sexy you sound like kathleen turner oh good because i know you got a thing for her yeah the whole jessica rabbit yeah so anyway we're we um we knew this was going to happen so let's just start right off and say when we decided to get into the lifestyle, we were pretty intentional about staying away from home and engaging with people on vacation and outside of our state and local area because we had a concern that we would run into somebody we know because we've been in this community for a long time in this area for a long time so we finally decided to start reaching out and developing a local network and we've mentioned that that's been going rather well and then we we've not been real aggressive in managing our websites we've basically been responding to people for the most part who've reached out to us and it wasn't too long ago that we that i decided i said you know what we usually say yes to just about everybody who well what you were doing is you were looking around we went to a new year's eve party a lifestyle new year's eve party and um on uh sls and cassidy there was a way where people could RSVP that they were going to this party.

So Mr. Jones was looking around to see if there was anybody in our community, um, going up into the city to this party. So he found somebody, um, that had RSVP that was in our community. So he decided that he will go ahead and reach out to them. Right. And it said that they lived in our town. Um, but you know, I guess the population here's what 75,000 or no, it's like 150,000 just in our, our community. Yeah. So just because they live in our area didn't mean that, you know, we would know them.

So, uh, so how it started was I sent them a message in SLS and said, notice that you are going to the same party we're going to. You live in the area. It looks like our profiles match up. You know, would you care to get together beforehand and meet? And then. So they said, yes, why don't we meet for drinks at a restaurant that's about, I don't know, 20 minutes away or whatever.

Right right so they said that we live between this exit and that exit and we and i replied and said well that's about the same area of the county we live in so you know maybe we should meet at this particular place which is down south and and i said we live off of this road well then they emailed back and said oh well we live off of that road too we live in this community and as soon as i got that message back i started laughing and i called you down to look because the community that they named was our community which is not that big of a neighborhood yeah i'm not how many houses are in here but not even a hundred yeah so pretty small so once once we laughed about that and kind of um decided well we're in we're in now we've got to we've got to go through with this we can't we know a lot of people in our neighborhood we've lived in this house for seven years so so then i came back and i said well we live in that neighborhood and we live on this particular street and then they came back and says oh they said oh my goodness we live on the same street and here's our house number and it turns out that their house is about seven houses away yeah seven houses down um so we had a good laugh about that uh in between a little bit of nervous laughter as well because we always joked about, you know, walking the neighborhood and thinking, I wonder if anybody in here is in the lifestyle.

You got to figure that, you know, the odds are with you. If there's 100 houses in our neighborhood, somebody else has got to be in the lifestyle. So we were like, well, it's ridiculous to drive 20 minutes to go meet up for drinks. Just, you know, walk on up the street and we'll pop open a bottle of wine. And that's exactly what we did. Yeah. So they came up and they're a really nice couple and they haven't been in the neighborhood that long. I think about a year. Yeah. Right. And and they had they have a home in another part of the state.

And so they had not listed our county as their primary residence in the past that's why we never came up on a search so after we talked about it with them for a while it really made sense why we hadn't connected and them being new to the neighborhood and um you know we just hadn't met them before so anyway they did come up we enjoyed the conversation got to know them a little bit and laughed that we were going to be able to have like lifestyle progressive dinner parties. Now we can start at one house and end at the other house. Yeah. Just walk down the street and move it along. Right.

So we, um, we ended up running into them with the new year's party and, um, yeah, they're, they're a really great couple. Yeah. So I'm, I'm not sure, you know, we will, um, probably continue the conversation, even if we never, you know, have the chemistry to, to play with them.

It'll just always be neat to go to, um, you know, the neighborhood picnics and kind of wink at each other and be able to have these, uh, kind of subtle conversations between the four of us while everybody else is around them i'm looking forward to that that should be so now the question is who else in this neighborhood is in the lifestyle yeah that topic came you know we got to start uh people will start popping up when we least expect it i think yeah yeah so anyway that's that's that story and and i think what I learned from that is you know I made a bigger deal out of the whole thing because there's this fear that you have that you're going to run into somebody and that they're going to run up and down the neighborhood streets with the megaphone you know yelling out Mr.

and Mrs. Jones are in the lifestyle and but then you know after we met them and they're a really nice down-to-earth couple and I'm like You know, that wasn't as scary as we thought it was going to be. No, um, but then, you know, after we met them and they're really nice down to earth couple and I'm like, you know, that wasn't, that wasn't as scary as, as we thought it was going to be. And no, cause they are too. Right. We both have a dirty little secret, right? A hot, dirty little secret. Right. So that was, that was a very interesting start to this month.

And, uh, I knew a few people were interested to know how that turned out and we'll we'll see how the relationship progresses but we had we had a great evening with them laughing about mostly laughing about that that we were so close so um what else have we been up to well I think uh right after we recorded our podcast last month we were talking about how we were getting ready to do naughty stocking because it was right before Christmas. So we did our naughty stockings and it was another successful, hot, sexy event. Yeah. Santa was very good to us. Yeah. I don't know why I do this.

I think I do this about every year. I buy you lingerie and then I buy you something that you already have yeah he bought me two things i already have so either he doesn't pay attention or he sees it on the website that he's shopping on online and he's like hey she would look really hot in that and he's reflecting you know real life i guess i don't know or i didn't update the wish list from last time maybe that's what it was yeah that could be and as soon as it came don't know why I didn't recognize it when I ordered it.

But as soon as the package came and I opened up, I said, uh-oh, I've seen this before. But I went ahead and put it in the stocking anyway. But the other duplicate thing he bought me, it was perfect because it's a little club dress that you would wear at Desire to dinner or to the disco in the evening.

And I have the dress, but I have it in white and i love it it's one of my favorite dresses it it just fits really well and i feel really comfortable in it which makes me feel more confident um and he bought it in black instead of white so actually he was um brilliant to do that because i really really love it and now i can wear basically the same dress two different nights one's in white and one's in black right so you're really a genius honey not just a forgetful old guy well so so you got some lingerie and then a couple of card games that you i think you bought off of um which website did you get um it the uh what is it called great sex games it's from through the sex is Fun podcast.

You know, they have the website and they have all of the different games that they sell. So I got the one that I think is called the Sex is Fun game. And that's basically designed for a couple to play just the two people. So we've played that once and that was pretty fun.

And then I bought one and shoot i can't remember the name of it but it's made for uh four or more people to play so when you're having some sort of a lifestyle evening with other couples it's um it's kind of along the lines of truth and truth or dare but it's got different categories and and um it just really it looks like it has a lot of variety to it because truth or dare can kind of get monotonous after a while right and what we'll do maybe give you some more insight on that once we play a couple times and then but really the main event for the naughty stocking evening was um mrs jones got me a massage table for my birthday which which was a week before Christmas.

And you got a, like a 10 gallon jug of coconut oil or something. Good old Costco. Yeah. Uh, so, um, I got my first massage and that was very fun and erotic and relaxing and everything that we expected it to be. And it's an, that table is nice. What a big difference it is to be on that table instead of on the bed, you know, you're able to walk around and get leverage and you can raise it and lower it. So it's at a good height for you. Yeah. Cause Mr. Jones is 11 inches taller than me. So it's really good to be able to adjust that cause we, it's hard to find a happy medium for us. Yeah.

So that, that was, um, and we'll probably talk about that more in the future because since then, I gave you a massage too and that was a lot of fun. Yes, it was. It felt good and it was fun. So yeah, when you're home by yourself, it can be whatever kind of happy ending you want it to be. I'm not sure I was as good as your friend Manuel from Desire, but... Well, you have something to aspire to, I mean. Yeah, right. Maybe we could go back and you could like watch his magic. Yeah, I would like to watch that again. Thank you.

so that's what we've been up to and as Adele introduces us to our next topic of the evening which was a new year's party that we went to with the James Bond theme. Uh, we went to that in downtown and it was put on by synergy. Um, we were looking forward to this for a long time. Um, and you know, our last podcast episode was a pretty heavy topic about jealousy.

So we were really looking forward to, you know, kind of coming back and talking about the fun that we were able to have on new year's and we did have a great time it was really different for us we've never done anything like this before so um you know to go away and get dressed up mr jones bought a tuxedo so he could like really get into the james bond theme and i think there were some um cuff links in your naughty stocking and then i even found they make a cologne called James Bond 007 cologne. And it comes in like three different scents.

So just for fun, I bought that and it actually smelled pretty good. So which James Bond did I look like? Oh, gosh, you know, I have that thing. Oh, my gosh, I have the thing for so many of them.

But Pierce Brosnan always kind of it for me Daniel Craig I mean he's got the the charisma and the chemistry and everything but um and he's got a pretty nice body too yeah but Pierce Brosnan just has those amazing eyes so it's okay Pierce Brosnan from James Bond but not Pierce Brosnan from that ABBA movie that he did that's a totally different what was the he was with Meryl Streep yeah I know oh shoot what was that one I don't know we'll have to look it up but okay I'll take that as a compliment um yeah so anyway I had a tux and you had um a black dress that we took a picture of and that is going to be on the website if I didn't put it on there already oh you're you're Santa, by the way.

Your Santa outfit is on our website, too. Oh, you mean my Mrs. Claus. Oh, yeah, your Mrs. Claus outfit. So anyway, yeah, back to our party. It was a complete hotel takeover in downtown, and it was really well attended. And we went up early in the afternoon, checked in early. They had a couple of workshops going on in the afternoon and we signed up for. We did one on communication because it was, the presenter was a professor from Johns Hopkins University. And he, so we felt like he was like pretty legit and he teaches, um, a multitude of things.

Plus he's also, um, a counselor, but he, he teaches human sexuality. So he was, um, he was very insightful as to, you know, what triggers people to want to experience non-monogamy, but he was also curious to talk to us to get kind of our take on it because most of his clients aren't in the lifestyle. Some people will come to him and ask him, is this going to ruin my marriage or is this going to screw me up or whatever? So he was interested to talk to people who had experienced positive, you know, enhancements, I guess, to their relationships from dabbling in the lifestyle. Right.

And I think, I think, uh, there's a lot we could talk about there, but the one that the question that he said that people ask when they come to talk to him about possibly moving into a non-monogamous relationship is why are you doing this?

You know, And really the first question that you need to ask each other is why are you doing this and he mentioned like we've talked about before and everyone else has talked about is you know if you have a solid relationship that's one thing but you know if you're struggling somewhere else this really isn't the answer for that um so it was it was really good it was well attended and he gave you You know, and then he kind of ended it by giving all of us some advice for the evening, you know, and, and one of the things he said is, you know, don't drink too much.

You know, you, you want to have, you know, a cocktail or two so that you're, you're relaxed and not as inhibited. But he said, you know, you really got to keep a clear head on your shoulders because this is serious business you're dabbling in and you need to be aware of the decisions that you're making. Right. So, you know, he made it lighthearted and fun, but at the same time he was like, you know, be careful because you're going to be like a kid in a candy store tonight. Right. And it was really, it was an interesting hotel.

It was nice, but there was really no large conference room or ballroom. So there were several larger rooms that were broken into different themes. And they did a really cool job. What they did is they took, they pretty much took each room and made it a different James Bond movie. So that was kind of cool. Right. You know, they had a lot of signage and decorations inside so you could tell which movie. Right.

had a casino set up in the lobby and of course they had bars set up all over the place and people really looked nice you know i have to say i mean we uh we go on a lot of cruises we haven't been on a lifestyle cruise yet but you always complain because not everybody gets dressed up for dinner and and this was an event where, you know, people... Most of the men had tuxedos on. Most of the men had tuxedos on. The men looked fantastic. And the ladies really had beautiful dresses on. And so it really was a James Bond, you know, sort of an atmosphere. Yeah, it was.

And I actually liked all of the smaller venues. You had multiple venues because they had, of course, the ballroom that they had was the biggest room and they had a dance floor set up, of course, and there was really fun music in there and that, and that was fun to spend some time in there. And then they had a smaller room that they had a DJ in as well playing a different style of music. And then you had like the lobby area and then the bar and dining areas set up that where you could, you know, of music.

And then you had the lobby area and then the bar and dining areas set up where you could, of course, get drinks and you could mingle. And it was nice in there because you could still hear music, but you could talk. I don't know if I'm just getting old and grumpy, but it's really hard for me to approach somebody I don't know and try to start up a conversation with them when the music is so loud that you have to scream in their ear. I mean, I'm sure our ages have something to do with it, but really, I mean, the whole purpose there is to get to know people.

And if you can't talk to people, um, and my voice doesn't carry that well anyway, and you get into a big room and there's a lot of noise and a lot of times I'll just shut down because I don't, you know, but so anyway, to be able to move in and out of those of those rooms and talk to people um and they had hors d'oeuvres set up in a different place and it was just a very nice layout and um and this is the first time we've ever done anything like this on new year's eve vanilla or not we usually stay home and so our friends and family kept saying well why are you going up to you know why are you going up to town to to have this uh, uh, to go to this party?

And we said, well, we've never done this before. And, and, uh, something that we're interested in and, and we really need, we really want to work on our social skills as a couple. And, and, uh, we kind of laughed about that because. Our social skills. Yeah. Our idea of social skills is I think a little bit different than.

It's broader than I'm sure what they were thinking right right so let's talk about the the evening we went out to dinner we had to a local restaurant and really i don't remember the name of it but it was downtown we were we're in washington dc um you know the it was a small place that it served it was during half like a little italian restaurant but it was really more of a bar than a restaurant it was really cute and it was recommended to us by a couple that we have played with before they were at the new year's eve party and i'm actually they're the couple that spent the weekend with us right after thanksgiving and when they were at our house they ended up leaving her little bag of toys so that was one of the first things we did when we got to the hotel is we texted them and got together with them so we could switch her toys back over to their rightful owners.

And they were the ones that told us about this little restaurant. Yeah. Well, we texted them and they said, we'll be right down. And they came in open the door and I was holding the bag. And I said, you know, you might be a swinger if your friends have to text you and return your toys that you left at their house. And so we had a nice laugh about that, you know, so so we ran into them. And that kind of, you know, we started as the night went on, realizing the more people that we met. And I think you talked about this, like the six degrees of separation in a lifestyle that doesn't really apply.

No, there's only or three degrees of separation yeah every every person it seems like every couple we met knew knew somebody that we knew and we haven't really been at this a long time it was fascinating and then a couple would walk up and say oh i see you're talking to them we just met them at the meet and greet or we you know we met them here so it's really a a lot smaller of a community I think than people think. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. So we went out to dinner, came back, uh, got dressed and, and came downstairs and, um, the bar was open.

And so which adventure should we talk about first? Well, it, what I really liked about it is that there was a really wide range of people there um you know we i think we've told you guys before when we went to the the synergy event in july we were like the grandma and grandpa of the party practically you know and it was really kind of intimidating to be with um so many younger people without hardly anybody there your age at all. But this was just a really nice spectrum of ages.

So, you know, you could, uh, feel comfortable talking to anybody cause you never really felt like the outcast you fit in somewhere. Right. Yeah. So that, then we should probably talk about that, um, drunk couple that we, yeah.

So we were, um, trying to belly back up to the bar and the prep it was like midway through the evening to uh get another cocktail and and the bar was really really crowded it was like two or three people deep so mr jones said you know well i'll i'll go ahead and try to work my way in and and you know you just kind of wait here so i didn't have to like just add to the crowd up there. So as he was trying to work his way up, there was a couple, um, next to him. And all of a sudden the lady comes over to me and she said, um, you have a really beautiful smile. And I said, well, thank you.

And her husband turned around and said, see, I told you it would work. So they had like set up this little. Well, she was really trying much too hard. I mean, her first, and I was still standing there at the time, and her first comment to you was very complimentary. And it could be, you know, if she would have stopped right there, it would have been, oh, well, she just noticed you and it was nice of her to say, but then she kept overtly flirting with you and telling you how gorgeous you are and how beautiful. And I'm, and normally I don't do this, but I just think you're so attractive.

And about midway through that, the first thing I thought of was, well, obviously you're trying too hard. I'm not sure what's going on, but then I realized how much they had been drinking and it really wasn't that late. No, it was probably like 10 o'clock. It was not even close to midnight at this point. Right. And they were a bit younger than us. And so every time you mentioned, you know, how old our kids were and all this stuff, and she kept saying, get out, you're not, you can't be.

And, um, just, and, and she was was you know grabbing on to you and yeah but i quickly figured out the reason she was grabbing on to me is because she was wasted she was drunk she was using me to stand up so we tried to engage them in a in a conversation we tried to kind of refocus their attention on you know hey let's introduce ourselves and and we found out early on in the conversation that not only are they new to the lifestyle but this was the very very first event that they've ever been to in a lifestyle setting yeah I think they were pretty nervous that was probably the reason for the over consumption of alcohol.

Yeah. And the first thing I went, when they said, when, when they realized we had a little bit of experience, they were really interested in asking questions. And the first thing I wanted to say, but I didn't because I didn't want to scare them off was, well, the first rule is you don't drink as much as you drink because you're not going to remember any of this anyway.

We didn't see him much after that i'm pretty sure she was um upstairs asleep before midnight yeah i don't know how much longer she could have stood up yeah and and he was you know i mean they were an attractive couple they were very attractive it's a shame it's yeah it's too bad i mean too bad that could have gone somewhere yeah uh anyway you you told him um you you said, we were talking about, um, you know, they were asking us questions about, well, how do you know when it's like the right couple to play with? Or how far do you go?

How far did you go the first time, you know, you were with a couple and how did you know when to stop? And, and just those basic questions. Um, cause I don't think they had really even like done a lot of research. I think they just kind of said, let's just go here and see what happens. And then I think once they got there, they realized that they might be over their heads emotionally, and hence the alcohol.

But anyway, so what I said to them is I said, you know, that our philosophy at first was we would rather go home regretting something that we didn't do than to go home and regret something saying oh my gosh what do we just do right but see when you said that though it like blew his mind and he's like whoa what did you just say that was pretty heavy say that again he says well you said you'd rather go home regretting something you didn't do than what you did do oh that's awesome he made me feel like a genius yeah and and then and then the question started coming you know more and you know and we said you know look we i we don't i mean some normally we don't tell people we have a podcast because it's kind of distracting and and i and i said well you seem to have a lot of questions i tell you what you know when you sober up tomorrow I don't tell people we have a podcast because it's kind of distracting.

And I said, well, you seem to have a lot of questions. I tell you what, you know, when you sober up tomorrow, you know, here's our website, you know, go here and take a listen and contact us or listen to the podcast. And so if you guys are listening, it's just too bad that, you know, we didn't get to talk to you guys again.

Yeah, they they were really in because i think she typed the name of our website into her phone i think she managed to do that yeah so hopefully um i'm sure you all if you are listening you've learned you know lesson number one is it's don't drink quite so much next time i know and if you are listening send us an email and maybe we can get together. Yeah. That was fun. That was fun. So anyway, so we met them and then we... Then I think we got hungry. Yeah, we got some hors d'oeuvres. Yeah.

So then we went and got some hors d'oeuvres and it was kind of crowded and they had, it was kind of, they had changed the dining room around to take out the normal table and chairs and they had a couple standing tables where maybe you know four or six people could kind of stand around tables and eat their hors d'oeuvres with their drinks and stuff so we got our little snacks and we were kind of standing in the middle of the dining area figuring out what we were going to do because you know how it is when you got the plate and your drink and there's no hands to like put your food into your mouth so we're like okay, okay, we're going to have to do something.

And there was a couple standing by themselves at this like standing table for six and, and their backs were to us. So we couldn't really see what they look like. But I said, well, let's just go over here and, and, um, see if we can stand with these guys. So we did. And of course, you know, once we got to meet them face to face, they were a very attractive couple and, you know, they were about our age and we just managed to strike up a conversation with them while we were eating. So. Right. So we'll give you credit for that. Yes. That was my score.

And the first thing that, uh, they said was, uh, boy, we're glad we're out here because it's kind of loud, you know, in there. And we were like, Oh good. A couple that really wants to have a conversation.

Yes conversation yes you know doesn't think you need to be in there standing next to the speakers and uh so we talked with them for for a long time got to know them and then you know as the evening went on uh we spent most of our time chatting with them but then we met some other people and we ran into some people that we had you know met locally before and it was just a very uh relaxing environment uh very casual um and then we may you know there were things that were going on there was some sort of an agenda and we made the mistake of going in to try to watch the guy that twirled the pvc pipes they were like kind of like batons or you know how like uh in the marching band at a college football game the the um the girl will twirl the baton that has the ring of fire around it that's kind of what he was attempting to do this was just pvc it was yeah it was a dude with a tuxedo on and and they had pvc pipe like glued together like it was like some something that he could tw and it was in the shape of a cube.

Well, the first one was only two-dimensional and he was dropping that one. Yeah, see, he dropped it a few times. He was like in the middle of the dance floor in the ballroom. Yeah, but he was dressed up like James Bond. And they had like James Bond music playing so it was supposed to be like real dramatic and like really slick.

So he starts dropping the two-dimensional thing and everybody's just kind of watching i mean everybody was being polite nobody was booing but well then he took his jacket off remember because so he acted like it was the jacket that was messing him up so he took his jacket off and he like dramatically threw his jacket across the dance floor and then he went and got that the larger pvc cube yeah so this is like a huge three-dimensional thing when he picked that thing up i am not kidding i wish somebody would have videoed it everybody in the ballroom backed up away further away from the dance floor because everybody was like holy shit this thing's gonna be coming at us in just about three seconds yeah so once we once we realized the level of entertainment in there we we kind of exited that room and went back out and i think got some more to eat and went back and started talking they had really sexy girls like dressed up in like bond girl outfits dancing and and we had the time wrong or something we screwed up and we missed that we caught the very tail end of it right so we to, um, uh, talk with the couple that we met more and then you and I had a chance to talk about what we thought about them and did we think that we were interested in playing with them?

And, um, and then, and then there was a kind of a segue between the party and the after party. Right. Yeah. So the after party didn't start until i think 11 30. Now the after party started at 1230. 1230. Yeah. Okay. And so we, you had, we went back to our room and changed because the after party was lingerie, was lingerie for the ladies and guys were casual. You know, guys can wear anything.

Like I had to like stress and worry about what I was going to wear to this after party and then you look at the dress code for guys and it said casual okay i don't know what does that mean while you were stressed and you had a corset you had a black oh you had the one of the corsets i gave you a for the naughty stocking right oh that's right oh yeah i did have somethingty stocking. That was perfect timing. Right. So there's a black corset with black, um, boy shorts. Is that what you call those things? Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, so you looked really hot. Thank you.

And so we, we decided we were going to leave the, the transition from the regular party and go to the after party. So we went back to our room. Uh, you changed and by this time we had decided that uh it was a go with a couple we had met at the table right right so but we hadn't had a conversation with them though about where we were you know you know as far as were you bisexual were you soft swap full so we hadn? We hadn't really had that conversation.

I think we kind of mentioned a few things during our conversation with them that might have led them to believe that we were soft swap, but really never explicitly had that conversation. So anyway, we went up to the playrooms on the second floor, and oh my gosh, was it just jam-packed, crowded.

yeah because there were like 500 people at this party and i think all 500 of them decided to go to the after party right you know um actually the couple we hooked up with were there last year as well and it was at a different hotel but they said that the playrooms last year were empty they they practically had the place to themselves they said it was awesome they had kind of the pick of which whatever whatever room they wanted to go into so obviously the dynamic was just different this year right so they had a they had like a central room where people were there was bottles of water and people could bring their own alcohol and there were like couches and stuff yeah so so and then if you can imagine like a hub and a spoke so this this room was like the hub and it had some refreshments and that's where people were gathering to kind of mill about and talk and then and then hook up i think spokes off of that hub were hallways to the different playrooms so we went and everybody was kind of like marching in single file like ants you know just a trail of people come in and out of the playrooms and everybody was kind of just walking through looking to see what was going on.

What do they look like? And we did that, except we found a bed almost immediately that that we thought we were going to use. But then it had a wet spot on it. I was a little, yeah, so we didn't, we didn't stay there, and then, so we said, well, let's get up and walk around and try to find another playroom and we did and and the place that we found was so they had and I think weren't they like double bed double yeah they weren't they were double bed mattresses yeah with just the um the first sheet on it yeah just the bottom fitted sheet. Yeah, the fitted sheet on the bottom.

And then they had sheer curtains between most of the beds. Well, they would have like two double beds together, and that would be like a grouping, and then there would be shears between the sets of double beds.

Right, so it's important to know that where we ended up was in a corner of the room so there were sheer curtains if we were sitting on our bed there were sheer curtains behind us and then there were sheer curtains to our right and there were people playing on those beds behind us but in front of us on both the front of the bed and the side of the bed there was about a three foot walkway between the end of our mattress and the wall so we were on the circuit so there were people that were continuously walking through this play area and and around our corner and our bed didn't have the sheer curtains around it so we were out into the open we were on display yeah we were on display which will come into play you know much later in the story here so we late we got we got down we found a bed and without a wet spot and we we got down we so we laid down on the bed and about this time I thought well we need to have the conversation you know we at least need to talk well the wife and i had had talked a little bit um just the two of us earlier and um i hadn't had a chance to really share that with you yet because we were on the the little ant parade trying to find a spot okay but i mean it you could tell that they were very you know low-key people easygoing people so i didn't really think we were going to get ourselves in an uncomfortable situation, but we did need to do a little bit better communication.

Yeah. So I just came out and asked her, I said, well, you know, are you bisexual or are you straight or whatever? And, and she says, oh, that's right. You guys went to the communication seminar. You want to communicate?

I said, well, just kind of want to know what we're getting ourselves into and they laughed about it it was really a very you know easy conversation but and she said she was she was bisexual and we said oh okay well that's good and and we reiterated that we were soft swap and they were fine with that and so there was an empty double bed mattress next to us and i was was on the edge of that mattress, and he was on the very edge of our mattress, and you ladies were between us. Right. Okay.

So then about that time before we even started interacting with them, or about the same time, four other people got on the empty mattress behind me, which I was actually on.

I edge of that and when they got and when they plopped down and started going at it immediately i realized i was in their way and so i scooted over uh so all four of us were on a double bed right mattress but that's okay because about that time i started making out with the other lady yeah you made room yeah yeah because you you um i kind of scooted over and kind of got on top of her almost yeah so you guys were kissing um very hot and um you know you you i think were on top of her initially and then you kissed for a while and then you went down on her right right and your ass was sticking up in the air on the edge of the bed Which in hindsight haha hindsight but it was really you know when you think about it we were on the corner and there was literally a parade of people walking by and there i am with my ass sticking right up in the air um going down on this lady i had no thought to what people were seeing when they were walking by and my big old white ass sticking up in the air but you're taking it out you're taking it completely out of context because in that environment at that point in the evening yeah this was like what one or two o'clock in the morning yeah i mean it was it was not it was not out of place no it was game on yeah it was game one and people were believe me I was watching people go by they were they were interested I and I think that's the biggest difference you know we've had we've played with couples before in our house and in a room where there's just the four of us but when you're in a room like that where there's people all around the sexual energy is just so much higher because there are the sights and the sounds and everything else that's going on.

Oh, and that's when I, I mean, I am an exhibitionist. I mean, I really don't want to be by myself in front of a bunch of people doing wild and crazy stuff, but knowing that people are walking by watching me charges me up. And you don't really know that about yourself until you're in that situation.

Right i mean it it was kind of we didn't pick that bed on purpose it was the only available bed that did not have a wet spot right but but of course and i'm a visual i mean i'm an exhibitionist too but i i like i'm a bit probably more voyeuristic than you are so i'm able to watch you go down on her and you did a very good job with her because she had i don't know how many orgasms when you were going down it was very fun she was a lovely lady so i was able to watch you and then behind me i was able to kind of peer to my right and see the the two couples that were behind us and they were attractive couples yes they were going to town and then there there were people that were parading by.

Um, some would stop. Most of the comments were of the nature of, Oh, wow, look at that. That's really hot. And so people were really, um, you know, when somebody would kind of pause, it would hold up the line and people would kind of start shoving. That's almost how bad it was because people were coming through that. I was kind of oblivious to that because I was really into what I was doing. I was trying to be extremely thorough and paying attention to detail. Yeah.

And you were because she, she got quite vocal when you, when she had her first orgasm and then, and then you, you went down on her for a while and then you switched and she went down on you, and I was just enjoying the whole environment. I mean, at that point in time, that was, you know, that's why we were there, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, that was really fun. That was it. But that was about when she was going down on me, that was when the guy walked by and stopped and asked you.

Right, so that was the only kind of blip, but really, it wasn't that big of a of a deal i you know i was up on my elbow and so my head was more back towards her her ass that was sticking up in the air and the other gentleman was up closer to her her face because i think he was kissing her about the same time you were going down on her yeah and then then all of a sudden this this guy's head face appears in my peripheral vision right next to me. And he, and he has his palm facing outwards towards her ass and about a couple inches from her ass. And he says, may I touch her?

And, you know, first of all, she's not my wife, but second of all, it didn't take me, I mean, instantaneously, I said, no, you know, I'm going to err on the side of caution here and say no. And he goes, oh, okay. And he backed right away and went back to watching. So that was a little bit of an interruption there. And then about that time, she disengaged from you and she said, can you, and she turned to me and she said, can you show me what she likes?

what she likes well I'd be glad to and so that was win-win for me because whatever she was doing was it was working just fine I feel like she she had warmed you up pretty good yeah she did it didn't take long when I started and and you finished I mean you had an orgasm and then um so then after that you kind of rolled over and started kissing him yeah because he was next to me while she was going down on me and then you were down kind of closer to her so as soon as i finished yeah i started kissing him right and he and i started and then i started kissing her yeah and and we kissed for a while and then you went down on him right and and so then i rearranged myself because she she to go down on me, and so at that point in time, I was laying on my back, and so everything was in full view, I'm just giving you a little bit of an excuse, everything was in, so I'm looking at the couples to my right, because she goes down on me, and I don't have to make eye contact with her anymore, You know, she's busy.

And so I'm free to look around.

I'm looking to my right because she goes down on me and I don't have to make eye contact with her anymore you know she's busy and so I'm free to look around I'm looking to my right and there's two couples and the two girls were on top of the guys and they were moaning and they were going they were beautiful and then I look to my left and you were locked on to him you know you were giving him a blow job and then there was people against the wall you know that were kind of watching and then there were those people behind us making a lot of noise so all that was going on and about I don't know maybe a minute into it I had to tap her I had to tap out I had to tap her on the shoulder and say I'm sorry but you have to stop because I am not gonna last and you know all the guys will know what I'm talking about.

There's this, there's this moment when you're about 10 seconds out. And that's the, that's the line that you, if you cross that line, it's too late. And I was approaching that. And I said, I said, I got to stop. And I swear, I kind of just stayed there at that point.

Even when she backed off of me, I still felt like if there's any sort of breeze in this room at all it's gonna happen and I'm gonna be ticked so anyway um we didn't want to interrupt you because he he was he had his I'm gonna just say he had his eyes closed I should have probably done that it probably would have been better but and she was very good at what she was doing you know so anyway we watched you for a while and and I went to try to go back down on her but she was still really sensitive from all the orgasms you gave her thank you very much for that sorry I'm greedy so anyway she and I kind of just laid there watching everything and then um something else happened that I'll talk about later but you know then you kind of finished with him and then you pulled me over to your side of the bed and she pulled him over to to her side of the bed and then you got on top of me and fortunately by that time I had well you said I'm not going to last very long and I said okay I'll be gentle yeah and you were because i think i think by that time I had well you said I'm not going to last very long and I said okay I'll be gentle and you were because I think I think by that time I had settled down and we were able to go at least 10 or 15 minutes yeah you were fine you were fine I just took it nice and slow and I was just kind of well and at that point I got to enjoy my surroundings because you know at first I was going down on her so my face was between her legs I couldn't see anything except for her which was a nice view but right but i wasn't really able to take it all in and then when i you know when when uh she was going down on me or when you go down on me i i just end up clamping my eyes shut and i'm just get lost in my own little world right and so i wasn't really able to kind of look around because i was like really really into what you guys were doing to me okay well anyway what what she was doing to me she just barely had her mouth around the head of my cock and she was just i don't know it was airtight and she was sucking on it so i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to get you to do that again when i when i'm more fully aware of what's going on because it really felt good oh okay anyway that was a little bit a little lesson a little personal sidebar there um yeah so so all of that is going on you get on top of me you're able to see what's going on and um i was just enjoying the ride at that point yeah so so we ended up finishing there and and they had already finished i think yeah um so we had to get up and fight through the people and because there were still people waiting yeah we had to find our clothes and and that's always fun you know is this yours is this looks like mine and that's when you know it's been a good night i know we did kind of throw stuff in the corner because we were trying we didn't want people to trample our stuff so you couldn't leave it right at the edge of the mattress we actually had to put it like in the corner behind this little table that had like bottles of water and condoms and lube on it right right so we vacated the bed um i think everybody was pretty satisfied and yes we went back to our rooms and we had made plans to have breakfast with them the next morning.

Yeah. So the next morning. So that, so that was that evening. Wow. So it was like, I think, I think we went to bed at like three. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But I think that's the difference between the vanilla parties and the non-vanilla parties because we went to a Christmas party with some vanilla friends. Very dear, wonderful vanilla friends. Yes. Yeah. We've known them for years and years. And it was a fun evening. You can say that if you want. It was.

All I remember is you ladies doing your ornament exchange and I was falling asleep and it was 9 30 at night on a Saturday night. I know.

And so I'm thinking, oh i gotta get through this and uh i mean we had a good time and i like being with them but it's just the difference in perspective now now i gotta say we do do five hour energy shots before we do these crazy lifestyle events yeah but i don't think that i don't think that matters very well it doesn't hurt you throw that and some hormones in there and i guess you're good to go so it's 3 a.m anyway and i'm still wide awake we were still wide awake so we went back to the room and yeah so we anyway the next morning we met them went to breakfast with them enjoyed the morning after conversation yeah it was really it was a beautiful morning it was really cold outside but you know we walked a couple blocks to this really cool restaurant and had like these exotic goat cheese sun, sun dried tomato omelets and they had really good coffee and it was just really fun.

So we, we talked about our kids and so, you know, it's funny you have like this wild and crazy sex with people, you know, three o'clock in the morning and then at 10 o'clock in the morning, it's like, Oh, well what's your daughter majoring in in college? And you know, and, and it was great. It was great.

We have a lot in common with them and they're just fantastic people yeah so we will probably see them again they're a couple hours um away from from us um anyway we got our things together and um we'll talk about the the frustrated lady that we ran into yeah so the the hotel was in the middle of the city so you had to use their valet parking. There was absolutely no, there was no parking garage, no parking lot, no self-park. So you had to surrender your ticket to the parking guy. And we literally waited over an hour for our car. That was really not cool.

But you know how it is, like the morning after when you have like really, really good sex, all is right with right with the world and yeah we were not happy about waiting an hour for our car but we were freshly fucked and we had like that really mellow aura about us and that's how most people were yeah because we weren't the only ones waiting for our car and everyone was kind of just sitting around there were probably like 30 people in the lobby just waiting for our cars and yeah and everybody was just kind of like oh this sucks but we were laughing about it and reflecting you know and talking about how much fun we had the night before and then there was this poor lady she was frantic because she had been waiting for her car and she was just ragging on this poor parking attendant well how far is it's the lot can i walk there and get my own car and she was just stomping in inside and outside and oh my gosh yeah and so that's when so mr jones said i think that she must be like really hung over or something and i said oh no i said i don't think she hooked up with anybody last night and i think she's really sexually frustrated yeah not only that i don't think she had even sex with her husband last night the way no i think she had pouted and just went to bed mad it was pretty obvious and her husband was nowhere to be found he was probably hiding somewhere because she was just like a wild woman so we were out of control we were laughing at that as being an indicator that she didn't get any last night because all the rest of us were just kind of sitting around mellow and yeah well bring the car bring the car when you can.

Yeah. Still basking in the glow. So overall, before we wrap this segment up, you know, it was a great party. Again, it was hosted by Synergy. We'll probably do that one again. There were a couple of things that we would say didn't go as well as could have. Well, I know some people were really not impressed with the layout of the venue itself. You know, how we told you there were several smaller rooms. I think some people would have preferred that there was one large ballroom. Actually, Mr.

Jones and I liked the way the venue was laid out because, like we said, we could find a place where the volume was low enough that you could have a nice conversation with people. So, you know, that part I'm not going to complain about. Waiting an hour for the car, not the greatest. You know, yeah, we were in our little mellow state of mind, but we still would have liked to have gotten home. It took longer to wait for our car than it did to drive home.

practically yeah so that was unfortunate um my biggest beef about the whole event was the wet spot situation um you know there were there were nobody there were no people um attending to the play area so you know they had put cloth sheets on the bed but when people would finish and get up there was nobody making sure that the area was still sanitary um there were wipes in a couple different places but um they weren't easy to find and then my biggest thing is if they would have just had towels from the hotel stacked up somewhere told us we could bring towels or towels.

Or told us we could bring towels from our room or that we should bring towels from our room. Then you could have laid your own towel down and it would have just been a more sanitary, comfortable situation. You know, I hate to compare venues, but we did go to Naughty New Orleans last summer. And not only did they have like mountains of towels like that were taller than me that you were supposed to grab on your way in and then bins to throw them in on your way out. They also had people waiting, staff members waiting at the entrance to each playroom.

And when people would get up and leave, they would go in and wipe the bed down and they would change the sheets right so you had the fresh sheets with the wipes and the towels and here they had neither of those one or the other would have made me feel more comfortable right so i you know that's just my critique of of the event yeah so besides the besides the wet sheets, which for a guy that didn't bother me as much as it bothered you, but if you can't get into the right frame of mine, you know, it affects me ultimately.

And so besides the car, you know, waiting an hour for the car and the sheets that, you know, we had a, we had a good time. Yeah, it was, it was wonderful. You know, it was well done. We really enjoyed listening to the speaker at the workshop I went to. There were two other workshops, and I heard those were both equally well attended and well received. Right. So we hope that you all were able to enjoy New Year's in some shape, form, or fashion. If it wasn't at a party like that, hopefully you got to a local club or spent it. Or just had really great sex with your significant other.

And what a great way to start. If that's the worst thing that happened, all right. That's right. Thank you. so to move into our last segment of the episode four here we just want to again give our snapshots of certain things that have that we have experienced since we have talked to you last and I think both of our snapshots this time have to do with our New Year's Eve party. Yeah so do you want to go first? Sure I'll go first. Yeah because you have one this month.

I do have one yeah I kind of wussed out last month and actually the snapshots are my idea so I don't know what happened to me last time. Well you go first. But I'm on this time. Okay so if you guys remember back to a few minutes ago, we were telling you that when we were waiting at the bar, we met this lovely couple that just happened to be over-inebriated, the nervous new couple that we were talking to. So one of the things the lady said to me, because eventually Mr. Jones and her husband did manage to bully their way up to the bar and try to get us cocktails.

So she and I kind of waited back, um, and, and let the guys do the, uh, elbowing up to the bar. And one of the things she said to me is she said, how do you handle it when your, um, husband's with another lady? Cause she said, I'm really afraid to see my husband with another lady that I'm going to freak out. And I said, well, you know, I said, it's not easy. And I said, you need to kind of brace yourself because it is kind of, you know, shocking at first, but you just have to understand that he loves you and he's having sex with somebody else.

And she said, oh, you know, she said that, you know, that is helpful. And she said, but look, so as we're having this conversation, there's a third couple that kind of comes into play. And this lady is adorable and, um, she is very aggressive and she happens to be wipe around or surrounding herself around this drunk lady that we've been talking to her husband who has gone up to the bar with Mr.

Jones she's literally wrapping herself around him and she said see he's really attracted to her and she said obviously she's attracted to him because she's just all over him and she said that she said that scares me and you know I I just tried to tell her well you know he's not really doing anything to encourage that that's just this lady's style and you know and if you don't feel comfortable with that you need to tell him you just need to tell him and he'll you know hopefully respect you and understand that he can't interact with her so she said okay oh you made me feel so much better so she left me to go up to the bar with her husband to kind of help her husband disentangle himself from this other lady so in steps this lady wrapping herself around this guy she has a husband as well her husband comes up to me because now at this point I'm by myself.

So this husband comes up to me and he starts chatting with me and you know, how long you've been in the lifestyle? Have you ever been here before? You know, the typical, you know, initial small talk. And, and, um, so I said, well, you know, we've been in lifestyle for about a year and this is our first time at a New Year's Eve party.

And he said, yeah, we've been doing this for like six years and we've been to this party before so i started asking him questions about it and he said so so i i would fuck you if you would let me or he said or i would do anything else that you would let me do i said oh okay well yeah and he said is that tall dude up at the bar your husband and i said yeah that's my husband and he said oh yeah my wife would do him and at this point i'm like oh wow this is really romantic and so i looked at him i said well thank you for the information i mean it was just really weird i mean he was just like so matter of fact about it and he wasn't even like trying to put the moves on me he was just saying that he would fuck me and that my then that his wife would do my husband i was like okay wow thanks for the transaction yeah that was just saying that he would fuck me and that my then that his wife would do my husband I was like okay wow thanks for the transaction yeah that was just really funny well if he's been in the lifestyle six years he should know that he can't really speak for his wife you know well right and say that and I wanted to say and did you notice that your wife is completely wrapped around this other guy and yeah so anyway that was just weird yeah yeah that was it was really different approach yeah yeah so that's your snapshot was the guy who said yeah i could fuck you and i'm sure my wife would do okay well yeah are you interested in my opinion of you but anyway and he was he was actually pretty handsome his wife was beautiful but yeah i need a little bit of a different approach Thank you.

in my opinion of you, but anyway, and he, he was, he was actually pretty handsome and his wife was beautiful, but yeah, I need a little bit of a different approach. That's funny. So, so then mine is, um, so back to the playroom when we were, um, I told you all that, you know, I was laying in the middle of the bed and a lot was going on around me. And at the point in time where you were giving the gentleman a blowjob and there was two couples that had stopped to watch and they were leaning up against the wall.

And so one couple specifically, he was leaning with his back against the wall and he was watching you all he was watching us all and his wife was had her back towards him and her ass like right in his crotch and she was leaned up against him pushed up against him and she was watching as well well that was okay because some people stop and would watch but at one point in time and i think it might have been when you were giving her one of her orgasms or at some point in time he started reaching around and cupping his wife's boobs in his hand she was reaching back and grabbing his crotch and they were starting to get worked up and then she turned around and went down and pulled his pants down and and started giving him a blow job right in front of of everyone and so what i'm seeing in my vision is to my right are these two couples that are having sex and these two really I'll see you soon.

See you a blowjob. And then beyond you all, this other woman is giving her husband a blowjob because he's so turned on that he's watching you all and he's watching us. And that, that just, I could have just, I mean, if I could have snapped that shot and just kept it in my head, which, which I've done, but you know, just that, that in and of itself is, reminds me, I mean, it was visual.

It was, I mean, you could smell smell it sex in the air you could sense it you could hear people and I and I was watching people who were turned on by you and turned on by everything that was going on and you know that was and and they didn't need to be on the bed they were just simply and maybe you know that they were new to this or whatever maybe this first time they've ever seen it who knows but they were definitely and they were very respectful about but boy they were just going at each other and the source of it all was them having watched watched the four of us right yeah that's pretty cool yeah well i think it's a lot more than cool it was hot sorry not cool it was hot right so that's our snapshots and and so before we end episode four we're Thank you.

more than cool it was hot sorry not cool it was hot right so that's our snapshots and and so before we end episode four we're we're starting to get some correspondence and emails from people who are listening and we really do appreciate that and so what we're going to do we're getting a lot of questions and and instead of doing one show of just kind of listener feedback and questions, Mrs. Jones, you had the idea that maybe at the end of each segment, we could take one of the questions and, and just try to, you know, answer it.

And so what we've decided to do this session was to take a question. And we both agreed that we would look at the question that we were going to ask, but we didn't discuss this ahead of time. I don't know what your answer is going to be and you don't know what kind of response is going to be. So anyway, we're going to end by a question that some of our new friends sent in specifically around your, well, I'm not going to say your, specifically around bisexuality.

So the question was, you know, did we discuss bisexuality ahead of time or did it just happen and did we have any or did you have any prior bisexual experiences so do you want me to go first yeah okay so um we only discussed bisexuality as in I could fulfill one of Mr. Jones's fantasies by finding a woman to kind of just, you know, hook up and make out with and, and he could watch and that would kind of like be something I could check off the list. And I never really, I mean, And I honestly never really thought about being with another woman as in it would fulfill one of my fantasies.

I, I honestly don't have a big fantasy life. Um, I don't know why. I mean, I, I think I have a, a pretty sexually charged, um, libido, but I just don't, um, I'm, I think I'm very much an exhibitionist and a voyeur and I just need to have other people stimulate my imagination. I don't really, um, have a, like, I'm not self stimulated, I guess, with just me, myself and I. So I never really thought about it for myself. It was always something I wanted to do to help Mr. Jones fulfill a fantasy of his.

So then when we were at Desire last year and I met this lady, I started kissing her and I realized it wasn't going to be repulsive, that it was like really soft and sensual and sexy. And I was like, okay, well, this isn't going to be as bad as I thought it was going to be. And that sounds awful to say, but that's how I really felt going into it. I didn't know how I was going to react. And, you know, society always tells you those kinds of feelings are wrong. So I think I just had that ingrained in my mind, especially because I'm, you know, I'm, I'm not 20 years old anymore.

So I've had a long time to have that perception. So when I started kissing her, and I really started enjoying it, that was really kind of a shock for me. So it wasn't something that I planned. So my story is really not very exciting. I didn't plan it, but it turned out to be a really unexpected enhancement to, um, my sexual experiences as far as, um, like how it fits in the scheme of an evening when we're with another couple. Um, I really enjoy starting out by playing with another woman, but really, um, it's foreplay for me. It doesn't really, um, become the focal point of my evening.

It really is foreplay. And, and I really enjoy interacting with, you know, her, her significant other, um, you know, just as much as her and, and being with a man is really what kind of pushes me over the top. I mean, a woman can give me an orgasm when, when we're playing together, but it's the, it's the excitement of being with another man. That is the, the taboo in my mind, maybe because I've, I've been with Mr.

Jones for so long, um, being with a woman is so different, but being with another man is so taboo because it's something I haven't done, you know, over half my life until we started in the lifestyle. Right. So I guess, uh, if I were, if I were this person asking a question, I think what you just said is we didn't discuss it ahead of time to that degree. We didn't know. But you trusted our relationship enough and our decision to move forward in this to give it a try. And then what you learned from that was it was something that you very much enjoy, but it's not your kind of a primary trigger.

And if we ran into a couple where the woman was not interested in interacting with me, that would be okay. Right. Thank you. very much enjoy, but it's not your kind of a primary, you know, and if we ran into a couple where the woman was not interested in interacting with me, that would be okay. Right. Um, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. So I, I don't want to say I can take it or leave it because that sounds really, um, insensitive, but it's something that I enjoy, but it's not something I have to have. Right.

And I, and I think for a lot of guys there maybe who, like me, would have loved to kind of coerce you into doing this earlier because from Selfishly that was because what I wanted to see. But I think what we've both learned is, yeah, I love watching that, but I also think that you enjoy that to a certain degree now too. I. And and another thing I do want to say is that while it's not my primary motivator, I wouldn't interact with another woman if I wasn't attracted to her. Right. I wouldn't do it just for you so that you could watch.

So it is something that, you know, I guess I am doing for myself as well. Right. And I just encourage everybody to understand that, you know, you really don't ever want to do something just for your spouse. So that was really kind of a lesson learned and an evolution on my part. Right. So then you had no prior by experiences. Not at all.

I mean, you know, when that song I Kissed a Girl and I liked it came out liked it came out i thought oh my gosh you know that that's just so foreign to me right you know i like the song but i couldn't relate to it when i really really like the song right because it has meaning right so i guess unfortunately i guess that you know our story is our story and your story is your story and that doesn't mean that that's how it's going to be for somebody else but it also you know is a very good story because you you know it turned into a whole lot more than than a very unexpected surprise yeah so anyway hope hopefully you all out there will give it a shot hey if anybody has a more exciting story than mine share it with us yeah we would love to hear it so along the lines of bisexuality even though i know that this question was pointed towards you and, and towards female bisexuality, I just wanted to mention that, um, you know, we did go out, we met a couple on SLS and had a dinner with them and in his profile, he said, by curious.

Right. And so I asked about that when we were with them and, you know, he explained what that was. Um, and I was, we't end up playing with them. And I don't think we will just because the chemistry is not there. But, but it would not have deterred me from, you know, from interacting with them because he, you know, he was very matter of fact about it and said, you know, look, if somebody else is interested in this particular thing, you know, and it wasn't intercourse, you know, maybe it was oral sex, you know, he would, he would be interested in it.

But I think in the lifestyle, the, what we've read and what we've heard, I hope that more guys are a little bit less judgmental about other men who either are curious about that, bi-curious or bisexual, and not just, you know, be all uptight about, oh, that's not me, I don't want to even be around you because this lifestyle really is full of people who are open-minded and nonjudgmental.

And I hope that, you know, I hope that there are men out there that feel free to express that, you know, freely, and then have an opportunity to have not have people not judge them and say, well, I'd never even want to go out to dinner with them just because he's bi-curious that that kind of wigs me out a little bit so no and that's one of the things you have to determine is you know um is the couple going to be trustworthy you know if the man is curious and he knows you're not you know you have to trust that he's going to respect how you feel as well right and listening to and then and then you can have a good experience and i'll have to have that in the back of your mind the whole time.

And listening to his story about why he was curious was really enlightening to me because, you know, you, it's not me. I mean, I'm straight, but it's, I just, it's very interesting to hear people's stories. So anyway, I thought, I thought I would throw that kind of from a male perspective, the, about, you know, by experiences, too. So anyway, we're hopefully that helps answer the question. You got that question from a couple of different people. So I thought we would start with that one.

So another question we've gotten a lot from a couple of different people that I think is going to be kind of our focus on our next episode is the whole soft swap issue. You know, are we soft swap as in never going to become full swap or are we soft swap as a step stone to becoming full swap? You know, what's our motivation behind what our boundaries are at this point in time? So I think that question is worth a little bit more than five minutes of our time. So I think we're going to kind of focus on that. And I think Mr.

Jones and I want to have a conversation because boundaries evolve as you journey through the lifestyle. And we kind of want to just talk about where we are now and where are we going to be headed? Right. So I think what Mrs. Jones is saying is maybe to make it a bit clearer, it's something that is beginning to come up in our conversations now about should we talk about full swap, but we haven't really talked about it. But since we're getting these questions, what we want to do in episode five is Mrs. Jones and I are going to have that conversation I don't know.

talked about it but since we're getting these questions what we want to do in episode five is is mrs jones and i are going to have that conversation on our podcast so so we're not going to rehearse you know we're not going to have this notes put together and say oh well have this conversation and then come back and tell you what we talked about we want to just see how it goes with having a conversation about this um this issue and and hopefully it'll be entertaining and we'll make it through but i think we will i think it'll be our first on-air fight no i'm kidding discussion we like to yeah that's right so that's a little bit of a preview for episode five um uh before we go um we're not going to um, we're not going to, um, I'm not going to, you know, list our contact information, every podcast, again, just remember our website is we got a thing.com.

All of our contact information is there. If you want to follow us and our emails, we got a thing at gmail.com, everything else, uh, you know, please go to our website and you'll find everything there. Um, so in closing, um, we wanted to give just a couple of shout outs. First of all, to Mr. and Mrs. Swanilla from Beyond Our Bedroom. They've reached out to us and we've communicated with them and they have a really great blog. So if you if you want to check them out, they're at beyondourbedroom.blogspot.com or if you just search for Beyond Our Bedroom, you know, check out their site.

We think that they're very good storytellers, you know, so check them out. And then one more shout out, and this is to the state of Indiana. You know, I mean, my profession, I'm in the analytics profession.

And so as these statistics come in from people who are downloading and you know all of that's very fascinating to me but when I see all of a sudden the state of Indiana has three times more downloads than anybody else and we don't know anybody in the state of Indiana yeah so whatever's going on in Indiana we just want to shout out to just the state of Indiana we might need to visit yeah there's a lot of swingers in indiana uh so anyway shout out to you all in indiana um thank you for that so um oh and and thank you also just a general shout out last time we had one we only had one review in itunes and we said if you wanted to give us a christmas gift we'd love an itunes review so we got two more so we're up to three and I know it's a pain in the butt to do that because I've done that before and you have to go into your iTunes account you have to create a nickname and you have then Apple doesn't make it very easy to do that so we appreciate the three reviews that we have and if anyone feels led to do so it'd be great to get a couple more, but, um, wanted to say thank you for that.

So that about, uh, that wraps it up for episode four and we'll get this out again before the end of January, 2015. And we'll see what trouble we can get into for next month. We will. So thanks for listening. Uh, we are Mr. and Mrs. Jones and we got a thing. What's your thing? well welcome back everyone i'm mr jones and i'm mrs jones and we want to welcome you to episode number four of the we gotta swing podcast you just said we gotta swing i did yes I don't know. Welcome you to episode number four of the We Gotta Swing podcast. You just said We Gotta Swing. I did. Yes. We got another outtake.