Episode 145: Ask Us (And Our Friends) Anything

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Speaker1: This podcast contains explicit language and content and is for mature audiences only. Hey, you teenagers out there. If you're under 18, this show is more for your parents. So now that you have that mental picture stuck in your head, put some music on and get back to doing your homework. We are a longtime married couple who's decided to chronicle our personal adventures and share our sex positive discussions as we navigate our way through the swinging lifestyle. Care to join us? Hello, everyone. I'm Mr. Jones. And I'm Mrs. Jones. And we want to welcome you to episode 145 of the We Gotta Thing podcast. 145. Ask us and our friends anything. Yes. a segment every Friday morning in our community. We go live and we answer questions that our community poses to us. And we record it on our live stream broadcast every Friday. And we thought it would be a good idea to do a podcast episode this way. So while we were at Desire Resorts, we coerced all of our friends to come in to record with us. And so not only do we answer the questions, but some of our friends get to answer the question when they brought the questions with them yes yes so they got to ask us anything face to face right yeah but then we threw it right back on them like how would you answer this question yeah it was a lot of fun and our conversations with that we record at desire are always very popular um because it's good to hear from people besides us yeah every once in a while yep yeah so but before we to get to that we have a few things to catch you up on we have a new card game this will be card game number three yes and this one let's see the first one is what's your thing yes and that is an icebreaker deck yeah so those are just questions right that you can ask one another right now the second version it's a little spicier it's care to join us care to join us yeah so they're they're more action cards but they're also from the two all the way up to the ace they progress yes it gets a little bit more spicy as you work your way up the deck right right yeah and it comes with rules like a different uh couple like types of rules that you can make it as spicy or as tame as you want so and and what i like about the the couple that have developed these card games for us is they're they're huge on consent so they always kind of give you an out when they develop the rules for their games yes and you can make up your own Yeah, that's true. But this game is called Social Sexy. So it's social first and then sexy. And in this game, this is designed more for groups of people. So if you're hosting a house party or going to a house party, or if you're going to a resort and you're sitting around with a bunch of people. We've played it with them twice now. We played it. They brought their first prototype in June when we went to Desire RM. And then we had like a little game morning this past month. And we played it again. And this, it was, I don't know, I think just the right people showed up and the right number of people showed up. We had the best time that morning. Yeah, so you get to choose whether you want a social question or a sexy action. So you get, you know, you get to choose how you want to participate. And I was kind of surprised that most people chose sexy. Yes. And then the sexy even has like, I think, is it like light or medium, or they might be changing the word. I don't know but like so there was like a kind of a tame action that you could ask to perform with the other person or a spicier one yeah yeah but it but it is really good for you know a group so if you were having a group over it's a great game it's almost like middle school spin the bottle yeah yeah it kind of was it was really fun but they did a really good job and we're happy that so anyway if you're not stocking shopping it's not too late now these are available on our website what else so so we do have we have a promotion coming up you know it's almost new year's resolution time yes and while you are making january is like the number one month that people sign up for our community all those new year's resolutions yes so people sign up for the gym and then they join our community um we are offering um from december September 25th through January 4th, we are offering $100 off our annual premium community membership. The promo code is WGT100. That will also be on our website. But if you've thought about joining, this is a way that you can get a whole year because you're making a New Year's resolution and you're committing to a whole year. And besides, this is the best deal anyway. when you get the annual subscription. Yep. So WGT 100, December the 25th through January the 4th. January the 4th, 2026. Oh my gosh. 2026. Yeah, time is flying. Speaking of New Year's, we're going to go to a pretty big hotel takeover party. Yeah, we haven't done that in years. I know, it's been a long time. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. I just bought a new dress. Oh yeah? Yeah. What color is it? It's black. Oh. Very plungy in the front. Oh. Yes. Okay. Very high slit on the side. And no bra, right? Oh, no. You could not wear a bra with this. Oh, good. Impossible. Do I have to wear a jacket? Yes. Okay. Do I have to wear a tie? No. You need to take one. Oh. Okay. And then we can decide when we get there and we talk to everybody else. Okay. Well, we're going to see some friends we haven't seen in a long time. I know that we're going to see some folks from our community. Yeah. As well. It's going to be fun. So we're looking. Hopefully you all have something planned because Halloween and New Year's are like the high holy days for lifestyle parties. Absolutely. So we feel like we're back in the game now. Yep. All right. What else? So we've got some pretty big, speaking of our community, we've got some pretty big changes coming in early 2026. And I just wanted to tease that up a bit. I'm not ready to disclose what that is yet. All right. Do I even know what this is yet? Well, yeah, but you don't really, you only halfway listen to what I tell you. Is this what you tell me at dinner? Yeah. Like when I ask how your day was and you're like, oh, yeah. You don't have to worry. Renee and Colleen and I have it all under control. So our community manager, our social media manager, they've got Mr. Jones like reined in and focused. Oh, I don't know about that. But they have you focused and planning. Yeah. All right. So we're going to get out of the way. But, you know, we did record at Desire, though. And this was our ninth annual trip. Something like that. To Desire Pearl. Yeah, I think it was. In November. Yep. You know, you can go back and listen to our Desire episodes if you want. This was another great week. As always. Yeah. The November trip is always such a good group. It's kind of like a family reunion of really sexy people. Yeah. We got to meet some new friends and a lot of people that we haven't seen in a long time. Yeah. There was one couple that we ran into. We figured out it was nine years ago that we spent time with them at Desire. Right. And I mean, it's crazy how fast time goes by. Yeah. So I do want to share one. one thing that happened that that was memorable even though we planned some things it's usually the things that happen that aren't planned that are memorable so we were we were standing in the pool one one day and you the ladies had just had a so we had just had our ladies cocktails in conversation and and part of part of that morning we just kind of get together and have mimosas and we talk about girl things like lifestyle girl things and then we it's kind of like a lingerie swap meet. So you bring club dresses, lingerie, things that you don't want anymore because they don't fit right or you're just tired of them. And then we all kind of just trade and swap things out. And, you know, the Pearl Restaurant turned into like a big dressing room. And it was perfect because like that one whole back wall is a mirror. So it was amazing. Like we had so much fun in there. So then there's always extra stuff, you know. So I was kind of going around like organizing stuff and A lot of times I'll see them advertised for nipples, but these were bigger, and they're little tiny silver balls that are magnets, and I bought some once, and mine were like half the size of these. These were almost the size of a marble, and they were so powerful. So for some reason, you ended up with these in the pool. So I kept them, yeah. I had them in my bag because I had gone practically straight to the pool, and I accidentally left them in my bag and i went to get like sunscreen and i'm like oh look what i have honey and so you knew they were in there there were six of us standing around and we dared you know somebody to put the nipple clamps on well nobody would put them on because they were so they were so strong right you put it on your finger and it hurt like heck on your finger so i noticed a bunch of wgt people in the middle of the pool so i grabbed the nipple clamps and the six of us walked to the middle of the pool with the rest of the group no you walked over there And the other five of us were like, oh my God, I can't believe what he's going to do. So then we had to follow. Yeah. And nobody would try him on. Nobody was brave enough to do it. And then I said, okay, whoever does it is going to get a badge. Now I have to explain badges because, and you were a teacher, you know how even high school students getting a sticker. I know. In our community, we award badges for things. So I said, I said, okay, I'm going to hereby decree that if you can wear these nipple clamps for five seconds, you will get an iron nipple badge assigned to you in the community. And then when I said it was a badge, people said, oh, I'll do it, I'll do it. And it was so much fun watching people try to endure five seconds of pain. You have a little bit of a sadistic side to you, Mr. Jones. I couldn't even watch. like it was so painful to watch but i think we ended up with like 10 or 12 people yeah that yeah we're not going to do it but then i said we and it wasn't just all guys i mean it was ladies it was pretty evenly split between men and women that did it yeah yes and then there were two guys and they're both just first of all they're both amazing humans but they're they're both goofy funny funny people so they decided that they would put one nipple clamp and they and the nipple clamps were connected with a So one dude put one on his right nipple, and the other dude put one on his left nipple, and they had a contest on who could hold it on there the longest, you know, without crying. And it was hysterical. Yeah. So anyway, that was the nipple clamps. But then later in the hot tub, you got the magnets out. Yes. And you... Okay, well, there's a backstory to this, too. See, this is turning into a whole thing. our friends had noticed they were a couple men at the resort last week when we were there that had piercings in their scrotum yes so the one of our friends was just kind of like fascinated with it so like you know when you see a piercing like that it i mean it's only a desire right you can just walk up to the person and say tell me about this so our friend was like really like fascinated with why guys want to do it and what kind of the benefits are and just all the things. So we were joking around about the magnets. We're like, yeah, you could put them on your ball sack and it would look like a piercing. And you could just see the wheels spinning in our friend's mind. So sure enough. He went into the men's room. Yeah, he took the magnets and disappeared. He came back. And he had them. They were on his ball sack. Yes. Yeah, but you, one of our female friends, you went down on her, and you were trying to put it on her labia. Yeah, I did. Yeah, you got one on, but then when you put the other one on. No, no, I did not do that, because I knew that wasn't going to end well. Yeah, but they got stuck. I know, so somebody else was trying to put two magnets on one side of her labia, and then two magnets on the other side of her labia, but then the four magnets And it was not comfortable. She may have squealed a little bit. Oh, my gosh. And then it was funny just watching you try to get them unstuck. Well, because she jumped down. Like, she was sitting up on the side of the hot tub. And she jumped down in the water. And then you couldn't see to, like, get them off. So then you guys were, like, picking her up. And it was a lot of drama. It was so funny. Yeah, so that was the highlight of my week. You can't plan that stuff. No, I know. Well, no one will participate. Right? It had to be just towards the end of the trip when people had had just enough to drink. Yes. But it was another fun trip. So thank you all for going along with us. Yeah. All right. A couple of announcements before we play the recording from Desire. First of all, one of the microphones that we used was extremely hot. Explain what that is to us non-techies. It tops out. It'll be like a, it was so open. that some of my voice topped out and it's a little bit um um so it was your mic and not mine there's a vibration using both yeah your mic was fine okay yeah so most of it's okay but and i tried to fix it as best i can i apologize for the sound quality but you'll still be able to make out the conversation it just gets your goat doesn't it it does because i can't i mean i can't fix it once we because i mean we were in the um we were in the middle of the disco yeah and the acoustics are not Yeah, and I guess somebody hit the knob or something. Anyway, I take responsibility for it. So I'm sorry about that. The other thing that you need to know is there's a little bit of an inside joke that plays out during this conversation. Two good friends of ours who live near us and that we're really close with. We have had a running joke that because we live together. Well, we live in the same neighborhood. Yeah, that people think we're a quad. Right. And so every time we post in the community, I've used the hashtag not a quad. And then, of course, people say, well, the more you say you're not a quad, you really are a quad. So it's been a running joke in our community. Yes. Just keep that in mind, because the one person that is our friend gets up and talks about that. And we felt like if we didn't explain the inside joke, you wouldn't get it. No. But it was really funny, so I had to leave it in. Yes. Because they really did get me. And I didn't know what to say. Which is very rare. So kudos. Also, I want to let you know, you know, episode 137, we talked to George about the new resort that's coming in Jamaica. Yep, next year. That we are going to go to in February. They had their grand opening. And Chris and Nancy, who are friends of ours, who we did an origin. story with way back in episode 110. Chris and Nancy were at Desire, and they had just come from the resort. So I grabbed them, and we did a quick 10-12 minute review with them. They reviewed the resort for us. So if you are interested in it, we're going to tag that conversation on to the end of this episode, so you can take a listen to Chris and Nancy talk about their experience at the resort, and how how it compares to other venues, other events, other resorts that they've attended. Because they've been to Hedo, they've been to Desire, they've been just about everywhere. Yeah, they've done hotel takeovers, like big events like Naughty New Orleans. So they kind of can fit it into perspective, I guess. Yes. And spoiler alert, I think they had a good time. They did have a good time. I'm getting more and more excited about it. I know, I know. Two more months, we'll be there. Yep. Okay, well, let's get out of the way and let you all listen to our Ask Us and our friends. Anything from Desire of Pearl. I mean, what could possibly go wrong if you share your information on the internet? 37. 37. Okay. Question number one. And this is, by the way, this is related to desire. It doesn't have to be desire related, but this one is. And the question is, if you go to dinner with a couple, are you supposed to spend the rest of the evening with them at the show and in the hot tub and maybe even after the hot tub? to invite somebody to dinner do you have any obligations after dinner is another way to say that when we first started coming here I thought the answer to that question was yes and sometimes it still is we don't feel obligated but sometimes we want to and then you know sometimes you just kind of like meet back up at the disco for the show and then you know kind of take things from there so no you're not obligated but it just kind of depends on the connection you've made with a couple, or even if you made a great connection, you know, are you in the place where you're, you know, wanting to have new experiences with new people? When you're getting started in the lifestyle, one of the fears that we have is what if we get too close to somebody else? We all want connection when we're doing these things. It makes us feel safer. But what happens when you get too close or one of you have an intense connection. Has that ever happened to you? How do you mitigate it? Or do you lean into it? Can you maintain long-term friends that have a deeper connection like that? And how do you do that and also protect your relationship? Well, first of all, I think the one key thing I picked up in your question is what happens if one person catches those feelings? we kind of did end up in a situation like that once where one person kind of caught feelings for the other one and for somebody else and it the other person I got thrown off guard and and it wasn't and it really wasn't anything it was just language that was being used and I think that that one really false start into that whole arena of of acknowledging feelings for other people scared the bejeebers out of me and then as we process that I think we just decided that might not be where we need to go as a couple so I think we've been kind of intentional about not letting that happen for us at least at this point in our journey when you say intentional how are you intentional what are the skills that you use in order to mitigate that like are there any things that that you, are there any relationship agreements or ways that you go about the lifestyle or how often you see people or anything like that that you do in order to mitigate that? This is where my Enneagram of one comes into play. Like, I see things very black and white, so we decided not to do that, so we're not going to do that. Mr. Jones is not a one. So that creates lots of opportunities for, like, some deep conversations. But I think, Like, to keep it very basic, our relationship comes first. We both 100% agree on that. And we both realize if we end up in the deep end of the pool where one of us isn't swimming so well, we're going to drag each other out. And we also have the experience of having some, being in this lifestyle for 11 or 12 years now, we have some extremely close, meaningful friendships that fulfill that part of our lives without it being how maybe somebody else would define a polyamorous relationship or a romantic relationship or, you know, so we also have that experience and we know what that's like. And that is very fulfilling to us. And so it's easier for us to kind of say, can they be those types of friends or not? And because we do have close friends in our lives, there's not a vacuum there, I don't think, for that to happen. So it's less like, we're not saying it's not going to happen. Because most of the people we know that have engaged in these types of relationships, I think to a T, like every single person is I said didn't see that one coming you know and then all of a sudden there's this this connection that needs to be explored so I and we never say never but I think that we just go into new friendships with this this intentional mindset so I think it's very you know we got into this we have a communication with our spouse we establish that that's kind of how you got to get into it and that all is and then now you add another couple that you have feelings with but we don't actually use the same communication skills that we learned early on with the other couple right so what can happen is once one but once somebody wants to step away or they have issues or they're trying to we're trying to figure it out and you want to back away I think the best thing you can do is have that communication with the other couple because what you don't want to do is you want to hurt somebody's feelings If you don't need to. And so. And you know. We just want to. It allows us to be able to go to the same events. And go to the different things. And you know. Even hang out. And you know. Maybe play. So. And that's a testimony to. The. Feelings that you all. Have for one another. Like deep genuine affection. Right. And then the maturity level to say. You know. Let. Let's morph this. to something new and different. I do have a question for both of you. Do you consider yourself shy? Shy people, introvert. And I just realized not very long ago that, I mean, I may not read people correctly because I'm expecting the wrong behavior on, oh, it's not a, it's, I don't read when it's a shyness or it's an introverted person. How do I catch that? And it's not that you don't want to talk to me or that you don't like me. It's that you are shy and you are really overwhelmed with what's going on around you. And have you been in that situation that you want to run away and people want to talk to you? And a personality type like me that talks and goes on and on and want to take you to the hotel. So, is your question directed to both of you? I mean, somebody else also wants to, but you specifically, do you think you are shy, introverted? And how can I approach that type of personalities, right? So from, I think the interesting thing that we've learned as we've podcasted throughout the years is the reason why it's easier for me to not be extroverted is because a lot of people already know a lot about me. But when you don't know anything about anybody, it's a different dynamic. And so I got a lot of self-confidence from the fact that we are who we are on the podcast, and if people are attracted to that, then they probably are attracted to us. And it gave me the confidence to know that as an introvert, it should be my goal to help people know me. And if people know me, whether they accept that or connect with that, I don't really have anything to do with what's going on in their lives or in their minds or where they are. But I feel like my job as somebody who wants to network or connect is to find a way to communicate that to people without being creepy, without being too assertive, so that it comes across naturally. a lot of practice. So, yes, we are at somewhat of an advantage because people come up to us, probably many of you this week, and said, well, we know so much about you. Let us tell you something about us. So, that's how I've kind of learned not to be as introverted and how to meet new people. But see, I'm, so the mathematician here is going to do a little self-analysis or analysis on my husband. I have watched, I knew I knew Mr. Jones was shy when I met him. I mean, I very much always had to approach him and then... You had to propose to me. Go ahead and say it. I did. Well, there was that, yes. And I told you I loved you first. So all the things, right? But as we've spent the last 12 years in the lifestyle, I've watched you draw energy from interacting from other people. And I mean, isn't that... I think that's the definition of an extrovert. Like, you draw your energy from outside. So I kind of think you're just a shy extrovert. Whereas I am definitely an introvert. And I'm kind of shy. So that kind of puts the ball in other people's courts. Which isn't necessarily fair. I'm aware that I'm shy. And I'm also, I was a teacher. So I was forced to kind of like be in front of a crowd. And have to kind of like approach situations. So that was a good skill set that I learned in my career. but if I'm not coming up to you that doesn't necessarily mean I don't want to talk to you it just means that's not my nature to be the instigator but luckily I have a couple girlfriends that are great instigators you know and they get me in plenty of trouble but that's the beauty of it right you know you can like make these friendships and draw on other other people's strengths to kind of help you come out of your shell so I and I know I'm probably not the only shy one in here or or there's There's other extroverts in there in the room here that think oh my gosh like you know either I'm overwhelming that person or whatever because we have you know different personality types. So I think with the shy thing it's because I'm very introverted in a lot of ways that's been a struggle with me with this and I think sometimes realizing just you beat yourself where you're at so I can be more quiet during the daytime but then at the hot tub will often be a little bit more extroverted and it's just giving yourself the to be where you're at at that time or at that place. And it's hard because like you, I'm not the person who's going to come up and initiate a conversation or it goes, it's just not my personality. But that's sort of been the beauty of all this. As we've gone on more trips, that has changed. And I'm much more open to go up to people. And I think I went up to someone yesterday in the hot tub and said, I've never kissed you before. So I'm going to kiss you, which I would never do. And I've also found that and the captain debauchery hat yes you know and isn't that fun you can use some sort of costume right to kind of create this alternate persona for yourself and get yourself out of your own comfort zone and i think that is one of the things about the theme nights when you go to an event or come to a place like desire it does help you like be somebody a little different a little spicier for a couple hours So I'm an extrovert. I definitely get energy from other people. And I love that. But what I've also discovered is, one, I don't have an inexhaustible supply of that. So one of the things that we've done that's different this year is that we intentionally got a bed up by the hot tub. So we can extract ourselves. for a little bit, for a little quieter setting that allows me to have conversations with just a couple people. The thing that gives me the most energy is having conversations with people. I love to know what it is that makes you tick, that you're interested in. I get endlessly curious about how did you find yourselves here? What have you learned about this? What is new for you? I think it's a lot more nuanced than that. Maybe that's sort of why for you that you, while being shy, you have changed the way in which you approach that and found the ways in which that works for you. And if I was to give anybody sort of advice around that, regardless of whether you consider yourselves an introvert or an extrovert, there's still a way in which that works best for you. I can probably add a little bit to the shy thing because technically I'm a very shy and introverted person outside of what I'm doing the things that make me make me personally feel hilarious to myself but I've learned to I've learned to just take those things and put them on the outside and that's how I get around it and it builds comfort within this the situations that's how I how I've always addressed that also with giving myself for shy people just give yourself permission to do whatever you want to do in the moment, as long as it's not criminal. But that's kind of how I've gotten around it. All right, so you may not believe this, but I'm a shy guy. Until I get down here, and then I can't seem to stop talking. Being married to an extroverted wife, prior to coming here, it's quite easy just to ride her coattails and just let her do the introductions and talk. But on our first trip here, which was ten years ago, an experienced couple, saw how nervous we were and took us under their wing and really helped break us into being comfortable in desire specifically. But it translates to all of the activities and lifestyle. So if you've had dinner with us, you realize I can't shut up. My wife has to correct me and tell me to shut up. I talk for two reasons one because I want to play it forward I want to be the with new people that are not quite comfortable or aren't talking I want to give them a opportunity to talk and and the other is quite honestly I want to understand your story I want I'm interested now in what you have to say which I might not have been before I came down here all right so I'm asking some advice from from the beautiful ladies here So some of us, we're talking flirt game. You know, all these guys are experts of flirting. Right, guys? Well, most of us are a little bit like Mater in cars. You know, when Sally finally comes up and we're like real excited because we get to talk to, you know, Sally and everything's happening. All of a sudden, Lightning McQueen comes up and steals Sally away. How do you, as ladies, suggest that those of us who's flirt game, It was not quite up to that level. Besides practice, practice. Yeah, I know all that. But what practical suggestions do y'all have? I say don't give up. I mean, just because you got interrupted in that particular moment by, you know, the shiny thing that swoops in, that doesn't mean that that opportunity's gone forever. Because if you come back to me the next day, and then I'm like, oh, well, maybe he really is interested in me. You know, Yeah, I mean, observing, I observe a lot. It's just my nature. And watching somebody break into a conversation, whether it be an individual, a male individual, a couple, or breaking into a group, I watch the body language and the dynamic. And if I'm engaged in a conversation with somebody, or if I can tell there's a really engaged conversation, going on over here and somebody else butts in, I can watch Mrs. Jones kind of be a little bit disappointed that she's having to stop that conversation. So I think watching how whoever you're talking with responds to that interruption may give you encouragement to, I'm going to go back and finish that conversation that we were in the midst of. Because we always tell people, open the circle. We always tell people, you're always welcome. And so that's like a catch-22, right? You're trying to make a connection, and then people come in and say, that creeper guy's doing it again over there. You know, I noticed in the pool yesterday, Mr. Jones and I were kind of, we were sort of in the middle, and we were talking to a couple, and then another couple came in, and then there were six of us, and then another couple came up, and instead of the circle getting bigger, it almost kind of like, where are my science people? It's like, is it the amoebas that kind of like split and break off? Or, you know, it was almost kind of like the circles split and broken to four and four. And it wasn't that we didn't want to talk to those other two people or two couples in the moment. It was just like the conversation just kind of turned and we had like a story to tell right here. So, and then you kind of wonder, oh, I hope they don't think that we just kind of like, we're like, ah, I got a better offer over here. That's not the case, right? It's just the way the conversation's flowing. And then I started noticing that that is kind of what happens in the pool Yeah, and also, you know, there's an evolution to a conversation that starts out about the weather or what you're wearing or about this or that, but at a certain point in time, if it moves to something more flirty and that was responded to positively, you need to go back to that And if you never got a chance to get there, you don't know, so I guess my advice is be deliberate If it's somebody that you're interested in, progress to a place where they know that you have that interest. And then not only will you be seeking them out later, but they may be seeking you out later to finish that conversation. Or you can just walk around the pool with these terrifying nipple clamps and whoever doesn't run away is your new friend. Well, look at the time. So, I'd like to know what you do when you meet a couple, and you get really close to them, and you really like them, and you think you're in a morsum, and they just want to tell everybody. Actually, I think, you know, the other person, the male, gets some sort of pleasure out of telling everyone you're really not in a morsum. You know, it's not a lot of times that I really don't have an answer for a question. Those two are well-matched. Asshole. I know that you guys have been coming here a lot and you come here a lot with the group and I wanted to know if you if you always find something interesting or surprising every time you come it's different every time I remember we first started doing trips we're like oh like we might as well just cancel next year's because there's no way we can top this and then every year it it just be it's they're all different right you watch different friendships form you we make friends with people and form new friendships of our own we nurture old friendships it's it's always different and it's never it it's never the same and it's never what do I want to say repetitive yeah we we made fun of the nipple clamps a minute ago but we do have a schedule of things that we do in the week. But with this crowd, when something spontaneous like that happens, it becomes a memory of the trip. And I think we have a great mix of people in here who have been here before and who are new. And the cohesiveness, especially between Saturday to Saturday, by the midweek, you know, we observe the connections that are being made. And then something like that, somebody grabs the Nipple Clamps and the next thing you know by the way the badge is already created and it's being assigned it's called the iron nipple badge which will be coming out to recreate something I guess that's my point is sometimes on a trip something spontaneous happens we can try to throw the ducks out in the in the pond and we can try to do this this meet and greet in the swim up or in the quiet end you can't really force that you only can give people an opportunity and you all year after year show us that you take advantage of that and you make these connections and even though that is repetitive and it happens over again it kind of is surprising and reassuring at the same time that but that there was really a special week and I'm sure that there are things that happen to you all this was just one we happen to be involved in that you didn't expect to happen but with a group like this it does it does happen that question that was asked. We've been here, this is our third trip, and I think we've been to RM four times in Grand Meeches, and like you said, every trip is so different. It's different people. We're at a different place in our lifestyle journey, so where you're at in your level of growth, or sometimes we'll go on and be like, okay, we're going to challenge ourselves to meet three new couples, or we're going to challenge ourselves to play in the playroom, or some, you know, we make it so that we have something different each time. And we've never regretted coming to any desire. I think that's huge. Like every time you come here, your relationship is in a different place than it was the last time you came. So if you're coming expecting to replicate that last trip, you might end up disappointed or you might have a better trip, right? But sometimes I think if you set in stone in your mind what you think is going to happen, if it doesn't happen, then you might feel What advice do you have to keep the energy of this week going when you're going home for Thanksgiving week next week and all your family descending upon you? Those fuckers. I don't know. You have to ride on the adrenaline that's still running through your body from all the crazy fun times you've had. here and you just power through I think so honestly the the reason we chose this week when we came the first time is because I was a teacher and I did have some personal leave on the book so I was able to take a whole week off and then I'm like okay so I just have to go back and work on Monday and Tuesday and then at our school system Wednesday Thursday Friday were a holiday for Thanksgiving so I'm like I can do anything for two days right and then and then we had to recover but then we got home and we had to go to Mr. Jones's sister's house for Thanksgiving and we were all staying in her house and there weren't enough bedrooms so we brought an air mattress and we were sleeping in her living room and of course we were wanting to have sex like bunny rabbits because we were so charged up from being here for the first time and so we were having sex on an air mattress and that it wasn't loud until I like had an orgasm which I'm not always very quiet and he literally put his hand over my mouth because he knew it was coming like literally it was coming and um yeah so i think you just kind of have to keep that adrenaline flowing and then and then you'll eventually be able to get back to real life one thing that we always try to do is we always have to have something else on the calendar uh we're going on the cruise in february you know so you know it doesn't once a year is not a lot but um what will happen in this group is we still have our space people will share photos and and share memories and that'll be a lot of fun to share but then I always want to know okay where are we going next you know and when are we going to be able to unplug and plug back into all of this energy so one thing I've heard a lot this week and myself included has done this is when you go back don't kiss your friends wives don't kiss your friends and when you greet them just be aware all right somebody in the crowd just and don't kiss your wife's co-worker. I think there's a way to do the keeping the energy going okay this is different than don't kiss your co-workers but the the skills that you've learned around the most beautiful person at complimenting folks how wonderful does that feel you don't have to be having lifestyle experiences with others to remember the glow that that gives you and you can take from here, some things like compliments are a wonderful thing, and if you see somebody's shirt, hairstyle, whatever, you don't have to know their name, you don't have to know who they are, but just telling them how much you like, what they're wearing, or what have you. I think, for me, it's been reminders about just, this is a lovely way to do life. Let's take it back into the other parts of our life. okay I shared a story yesterday with the ladies in the ladies lingerie swap during the pillow fight okay drink some pillow fights and I should have let we had a member that said there's gonna be a day bring your comfy clothes there's gonna be a day that you are gonna just need comfort you're gonna have a crash whatever and I'm like Okay, so I packed my favorite pajamas that I left, little cute romper thing. And because yesterday in bed I'm bawling and I can't hardly speak and I'm like just I was like yesterday was crybaby Danny. You can leave it there or take it out. I don't care. But so I started the day down here. Nothing bad happened to me. There was nothing. It was just I don't know if it was just I'm always on, and then all of a sudden it was like phew and it was like I don't know what to do with this like some of the things that I literally was crying in our room and I'm like I should have went to the gym today and I should have worked because that's my thing but anyways so I start here and I meet up with the coffee crew and I have some chats and conversations and I run into on the path to breakfast and I complimented her and we were talking you know we said something and we happened to be there was a couple of us and we each complimented her as she walked through on the way to breakfast and I'm like we should really go down there and be like talk to you two about speed dating how about a compliment line how about we all line up in two lines and we go down the line and say something nice to somebody right so Sarah put some drops in my bucket I had gotten other drops in the bucket before that and then I go to breakfast and you guys all see me I'm extroverted but I I'm really bad about starting a cold start conversation with somebody. Somebody I don't know. So there's this cute little lady. I'm waiting for my eggs and she has this green flower in her hair and she has this really pretty green and gold dress on. And I was like, I really love the color of your dress. Like you look beautiful. And she's like, oh, thank you. And she's like, she, you could see her. She was already, you could already see that she was happy where she was in that moment. But as soon as I said it, she like got, got bigger. and then she was like um if I cry I'm sorry but anyways uh she's like I made the dress myself and then she's like and this is the first time I did this hem and then she was just like this and I'm just like my like the buckets filling and I that's not why I stopped to tell her that she looked beautiful like that I I wasn't doing it for me but the more she's like was animated the more it was like okay so then we're standing I said your name do what you want with that he ate breakfast alone because I was talking to this lady and we had a beautiful conversation in the middle of the restaurant about wouldn't it be so awesome if everybody stopped and was just loving and kind to each other I didn't know her and it her that interaction may not affect her as much as it did me but it did and that's One of the things I like about you know being in this space with everybody where you don't feel judged like me at first I mean I thought I should say this to her and I was like oh gosh you know and then I was like I'm just gonna say this to her and I did it you know it's easier for me to speak to you guys because I know you sort of know you you know what I mean from interactions but you know the world would be such a better place if we all just took a minute and said the positive thing we're thinking Well, what you're doing, you're doing right. I mean, like, truly, there would be world peace if everybody could, like, come into this type of environment where there really isn't a lot of judgment, and there's a lot of edification, and you can kind of escape from reality. Like, it's almost like the rest of the world stops, and, you know, you try to avoid your phone or your computer that you brought with you and just enjoy each other. So this will probably be a good one for new people that are either new in the lifestyle or are on their first or second trip here is how do you suggest people handle it and work through it if they have say a bad or a terrible experience or even get lucky or unlucky and have a second or hit the trifecta like Sarah and I did and have three bad experiences in one week while they're at Desire. I mean it does shake your confidence. Well I remember someone came to me at At some point, a few years ago, we were on a streak. I was on one streak, and she was on another streak, and she said, there's something wrong with my vagina. I did say that. He's not making that up. I don't know. I remember we did a workshop with Catherine once, and she's like, when you have a negative experience, it literally takes 30 positive experiences to retrain your brain from not having that trigger kick in. So I think just like regrouping and coming up with strategies like to figure out how to pivot in the moment. You know, okay, this isn't working. I feel like we're headed in the wrong direction. You know, do you just kind of intentionally spend the evening alone and stop trying so hard? I think that's what we do is we get here, especially when we're new. And we're trying so hard to make connections with people. And the more you force it, it almost is like you could end up putting out negative energy because you seem a little on edge, right? Certainly other opinions on this. And I'll do a show of hands. Who in here has been on a streak where things haven't gone according to plan? So the other part of it is knowing you're not alone. And sometimes it's almost as dangerous to do two or three in a row that are good. Because then you're lured into this false sense of security. Ah, we got this figured out. I think what we have done is we've just like, okay, we're calling it. The rest of the week is just for the two of us. And I think when you do that, you get back on track as a couple. And Mr. Jones and I always say, we find people individually beautiful. If you put the couple together and you can see that chemistry with the couple, then that couple is super interesting and I love their chemistry and I want to be part of that chemistry. So I think that anxiety, if you can just say, okay, that wasn't working, it's just you and me, babe, then you're going to become more attractive to other people and then maybe other people will help you do the work and they'll come up to you. This is something that I learned from the podcaster as well. from the adult chair. I love the topic of the triggers, okay? When something bad happened to us is something is being triggered that, you know, we didn't expect or got the worst out of ourselves, whatever. So I know it sounds, it could be very painful, but I definitely have taken those opportunities to understand a little bit more who I am, okay? And what I can do to, you know, for that not to happen. Or it's not, it may be, it's not me. It is that external environment. Maybe it's a place where I should not go again, period. Or it's not for me. So those bad experiences, definitely I have taken it for my own advantage. Okay. Understanding. Okay. So I didn't know something about me. Now I know this. I'll throw one out that we had recently. This means we're asking, so somebody here has to answer. My wife and I recently stayed at our first lifestyle resort. On day three, we had some offers to play, but we politely said no thank you. We needed a break and some time alone. One of the ladies circled back with questions, why not? Is it me? This really caught us off guard and kind of killed us. the vibe at the time. Do we owe anyone an explanation after we politely decline? This isn't about the third person or the fourth person or the sixth person. It's about my first person. So if it's a no, it's a no from us. And I don't owe you anything. I don't expect anything. I don't expect it in return. You can be a no to me. I've got no's to the previous question. You know, I've been on streaks as well. Maybe it's you. Maybe it's me. Maybe it's whatever. It doesn't matter. I don't owe you anything and you don't owe me anything. I only owe one. I just want to add that absolutely our partners come first you don't owe anyone an explanation but also in the idea of doing no harm sometimes if you say what the reason is why it didn't work out or why you're not interested that can put a voice in the other person's head of negativity and we all struggle with that enough and I don't want to add that to anybody else and just say no we just thank you so much but we're not going to go into details. It's better if we don't. So for us, I think I struggled a little bit with that, like, you know, trying to have a connection, and you think there's a connection, and it kind of wanes. And so I listened to a podcast. I'm sorry, it wasn't yours. But they talked about stories and assumptions. So everybody has a story, and you're always putting it in your mind. And I I struggle with not looking at the positive side of it. It's not me. It's something else that's entirely the wrong story that is going into my mind trying to figure out why we're not, you know, part of that, getting that thing started, right? So that's what I struggle with. I look at it, and I guess I'm kind of turning it back on the other person that asked that question, right? It's not about you. the stories and assumptions that you're putting in your mind is not negative. They just don't want to play with you. And it might be a no now. It might be maybe later. Because we're all adults here and we, you know, things happen. I mean, we went to a party one time. And we weren't, we just, we were, she was having problems with her hair, which, you know, ladies do. I don't have much of that. So, I mean, I have hair I just throw junk in it but so anyway she's uh we're like we're not going we're arguing we're not going and so you know if we were to went downstairs we did go to the party but if somebody a couple and we had a good chemistry with somebody and we said no you know it's because we had that we didn't have that connection before we left it's not about them you know so I just say that you know stories and assumptions don't look look at it from a different perspective It's not about you. It's just maybe not now. I know a lot of you, but if you've seen me with the, if you're flirting with me, please tell me because I'm clueless. It's absolutely accurate. And that is the language of this community, right? So how do you navigate that communication when A, you don't know how to do it and B, you don't know how to hear it or get it? Didn't we go over this in Seattle? But, I mean, honestly, my personality type, you're going to draw me in with humor more quickly than you're going to draw me in being like Rico Suave. I don't know what to do with Rico Suave. I love to laugh at people's jokes, whether they're funny or not, right? If they're not funny, then it makes me think of Mr. Jones and, you know, and then it's all good. But I think humor is a huge part of it. And then I know I'm going to have fun in the bedroom. Like, if we ever make it to the bedroom with the this person like I know I'm gonna have fun and it's gonna take some of the pressure off and there's gotta be some more opinions because that's a great that's a great question to end on because we still have one day you still have time to practice your skills so what other tips on flirting something that Sarah and I have talked about when it comes to flirting is is when you're getting to be more direct don't be clever leave the clever list cleverness to just the But when you're getting close to saying what you want, don't be evasive with it because it sounds like you're just not as interested. Don't make people read between the lines. And then the other thing that we've started doing, which we've learned actually from another WGT member, is if we're interested in people, we will preface it at some point and say, like, we wouldn't be, you know, if time and situation fits at some point in the future, we are interested. And then that way when that time and situation comes up, it works. It can work out. Yeah. And I think you have hit on something. If you have more experience, it should be incumbent upon you to be that voice. Yeah. The very first question we read tonight was a couple who thinks, if I go to dinner with you, I got to have sex with you. And a lot of people, so we have to say, look, a kiss just means I want to kiss you. Right. Dinner just means we want to have a meal together. You know, being in the hot tub, maybe it gets a little bit more flirty. But at some point, you have to say, look, we're the easiest people to say no to. Or this is just for dinner. We just want to get to know you. So that reassurance and that directness. The couple that came up to us, they came up just like this. I wasn't even facing them. They just came up behind me. They're like, hey, we really like you guys. It would be great if we had a chance to meet and get together and play a little bit this weekend. No pressure. And now we're going to go get a drink. And it was perfect because we're like, oh, we can ask them. They'll say probably yes. And we can move from there. And it was great. We've used it since. Right. Right. One event, one time where we're continuing to beat around the bush, beat around the bush. And I finally said, what do you guys want to do? And the reply was, go to your room. And that worked. That worked really well. Okay. So three things. say it before ask say are you flirting with me perfect second thing i think as a couple um i will lean over and say she's flirting with you like i you know like i'll help right so i think that's yeah you're a good wingman yeah exactly especially if i like the couple right like they're flirting let's go um and then the third thing would be to touch so that's one thing where if we're talking having a conversation and i'm kind of interested then i'm like just kind of lay a hand on the arm or something like that. So that just kind of takes it the next step further. So my wife is now scared of what I'm going to say right now. But I just want to focus on that last part, okay? I think as guys, we all think we have to be the one that starts the flirt. I know my wife is very shy, so she looks to me to be the one that's going to be extroverted. It's a lot of extra pressure. So ladies, I just want you to know, and I'm going to hinge off that last point. If I'm up talking to you, okay, and you're the least bit interested, This is all you have to do to let me know you're interested. You do not know what that does to a male body, okay? That is all you need to do is this, okay? Because we were at Desire in April. Thank you. We were at Desire in April, and I was doing my thing, and maybe some of you know I can be a little bit outgoing, and my wife goes, I can't keep up with him. said to her, says, you don't have to. All you need to do is walk up to me and go, I'll do the rest. So I just want to hinge off of that. That's probably the best advice given tonight from a male standpoint. All you have to do is what, ladies? This. That's a good, anyone else? I don't want to rush if anyone else has something to say, but yeah, that's a good place to end. So we are taking time out of a trip to Desire to talk about the resort. We had George on our podcast for episode 137. I'm with our friends Chris and Nancy. We have known you guys for a number of years. You are in our community and you've been a part of the group, you know, for a while and all about the resort. If people want to know a little bit more about Chris and Nancy, you all can go listen to episode 110 and hear their whole amazing arc of a story through life and into the lifestyle. Yeah, that's right. So thanks for taking time out of our vacation today. So you just got back from the resort in Jamaica. It was the opening weekend. We're just anxious to hear, you know, George told us about what it's going to be. to be like but we're interested to hear from real humans who have been there like what was your impression when you first arrived what were you expecting and why did you even go to begin with so you I'll just let you all talk about that Chris and I are investors in the resort we've we've been involved with the project for several years and the the resort is coming to fruition but we've had a vision a long-term vision so Chris and I had been to this property a couple years back just to check it out. It's a fully-functioning operational boutique hotel for vanilla folks. And now that it's under the group's ownership, they were offering a preview weekend for investors to come and sort of sample what the resort will be like. So that's why we went. We went last month. And from the beginning to the end, it was a top-notch luxury lifestyle vacation. We came off the airplane. We were immediately met by staff that had been prearranged. We didn't have to do any of the arrangements. We were taken through the airport and whisked off in a private sedan to the resort. And when we arrive, you don't have to check in when you're going there because they are expecting you. And they know who you are. They know who you are. Yes. And they had called us in advance of our arrival. to ask us questions about our likes and dislikes and allergies and any special occasions and things like that. So they had a good idea of what we liked. They had the colors that we chose in our room and, you know, just little touches that were very nice. So the resort itself is beautiful. It's a wonderfully gorgeous property set on the cliffs in the west end of Negril. And so just the gardens and the cliffs and the cliffs and the sea beyond and the sunsets just make it a beautiful property. We were given a really nice room on the first level. It had a private pool. It had a living area, a porch with a hammock. Did I say a private pool? It was like we were in heaven. We just were like, oh my gosh, kicking each other. There's villas on the property. There's a main building and then there's villas throughout. depending on who you're coming with and what kind of vacation you'd like to have. There's also a full-size gym there and lots of other amenities, lots of pools, and there's some construction going on, but it really is kind of on the other side of the cliff where they're just taking this really fantastic resort and making it, and this property, and making it even more incredible. and that they are showing off what they have, which is just the wild beauty of what is the West End. So you all have been in the lifestyle for a while. You've been to many different resorts, lifestyle resorts, many different events. I'm just interested, and it seems like whatever event you're going to or resort you're going to, there's a vibe. And I know that's a hard word, so it's very subjective, but how would you describe the vibe in that environment compared to other places that you've been. Yeah, I would say it was a little bit more relaxed of a vibe. It's always about the people, of course, but it felt very serene. It was the natural beauty that was there, the quiet pools. They did have DJ playing during the day at the pool. The service was top-notch, so you just felt like a VIP everywhere you went. The food, the music, everything was just so lovely. You feel truly like you were on a luxury vacation. So I would say the vibe is, the natural beauty is maybe similar to what you'd see at Hedonism because it's also close by in Negril and the sunsets there are renowned. But in this environment where you're having the top-notch service and the food and the live music that they were playing, would have sunset gatherings with live music and canapes and you know it just felt very upscale, comfortable, welcoming, a little bit of a sexy vibe depending again on the people and I don't know what else. So Chris I want to ask about the you mentioned Nancy you mentioned food what about the what's your impression of the I know this the service is amazing what about the the food itself and the and the cocktails like what How would you describe them? Yeah, so they have hired a world-renowned mixologist, and this guy really knows how to make drinks. And they also have just recently started with expanding the kitchen. So while the food was very, very good, it is going to get better because they'll have more room to prep and to expedite and to do all the things that a five-star kitchen needs to do to put out incredible culinary experiences. And that's important. Now, most other resorts are all-inclusive. Right. This one is not. It is not. So what are your options there? What do you pay for? Can you go off-site? How close are the other restaurants? Like, how is that different because it's an a la carte resort instead of an all-inclusive? Right. Well, for me, so one night we went out to a really amazing, it was more of a seafood restaurant. They had a whole bunch of other stuff, but it's on the same side. So you've got these stunning views of and, you know, rock cliffs and volcanic rock and all the things and the waves are just smashing up. In fact, that's the thing really to me is you asked before a little bit more of Nancy, like what was your experience? To me, it's really where the natural beauty of the land hits the beach, like where the water is actually just crashing on some of the, you know, the rock and it's, you know, you'll get that more when it's kind of a little more stormy, but it's, it just, the whole area like when you go to these all-inclusives it's very kind of like chill and like the water isn't really doing a whole lot but there there's just like this vibe of where the the sea is very active and up against the land. I was gonna say too about the food is that yes leaving the property for lunch or for dinner anything is totally acceptable and they'll arrange transportation for you it's close by Negril is a a town or city, I guess, that has lots of options. One morning we ordered like a fruit plate and coffee on the porch at our room. They deliver it to your room or you can go down to the restaurant and eat your meals there. The dinners they did for the weekend we were there were to highlight the food they had brought in, a hospitality team and the chefs that they, you know, are hoping to have at the resort full time. We had dinners under the moonlight with lighting in the trees. And the meals were, for us, they were presented outside. One night, we had about 40 people at the table. And they did like a seven-course meal, including fish. And everything came out hot and, you know, just delicious. So the food experience is very kind of of the place. So when you're at these other resorts that are all-inclusive, they're trying to get their food costs way down. Here, it's a completely different story. They get you something. In fact, they have a fish flag, which when the flag is up, the local fishermen will go out and come by and say, this is our catch today. Do you want to buy anything? That kind of thing. Now that is what I, that's what I'm talking about. So I want to talk about the sexy vibe. Okay. There, you know, you have been to many different types of events where there's no holds barred. People are naked, maybe having sex in public. And then on the other end of the spectrum, in normal life, we have all adult-only resorts. How would you describe the level of sexiness? And how is it different from just going to a regular adult-only resort? Well, the weekend that we were there, everybody was lifestyle, and so it was a takeover, a private event. But the pool is top optional. There's an area down by the sea. It's like a sea pool. It's lit up from underneath. At night, it's very sexy to be down there. And there was some nude activities happening in the seabed area. Just even just to hang out there was just lovely at night. We had one night there was a like a play party in in one of the villas that was set up for everybody to join and they have the villas are like anywhere from three to five bedrooms and then like a common kitchen kind of living room area. So the party was there, and then the bedrooms were set up for play. So we had that. We had a little play ourselves on our porch, but don't tell anybody. Okay, I won't. So how would you describe, like, is it, if somebody's never been there before, you know, one of the trepidations, and I'm sure you all went through this when you first got into this, is like, I have this vision of idea of, am I going to feel safe, you know, but is it going to be sexy? So when you went there, Nancy as a female, and then Chris as the husband, how did you feel? Did you feel it was safe and clean, and were the people there about your, you know, level of curiosity or engagement into non-monogamy? Yeah, I would say everybody was, in varying levels of interest as far as, like, generally when you you meet lifestyle people not everybody is ready to jump into bed you know but or or get naked at the pool or or whatever so it was a wide variety of um comfort levels but certainly we felt safe i felt safe throughout um the staff were were professional and and lovely um the property is very um private so there's no like neighbors that can see in or anything like that um it's um what do you think it was it was i thought it was perfect Yeah, it was a very safe feeling. I felt great in that when I see my wife and other women that I don't know, half naked in a pool and smiling, that says a lot. That says a lot right there. That's a good indicator. Yeah, so body language, non-verbal communication is a good thing to see. So yeah, I felt fine. I thought it was great. And the construction of the place is amazing. I mean, it's just incredibly well done. So, do you think, like, obviously, I think we would all agree that this market has needed an additional, you know, space like this. So, if somebody's never been to anything like this before, like, is this something that you would recommend, you know, to, who do you think is going to be the best fitting client with what you all experience? Do they have to be experienced in the lifestyle? Can they be new? Like, who do you think you would like to To me, one of the things that I still see when I look at lifestyle profiles on dating sites, one of the first words is usually discrete or discretion. And that is one of the things that you really get from the resort. It's like, I would say it's number one or number two in terms of, you know, you're going to meet people that are a lot of fun. They want to, you know, they, they, but they don't want people to know outside of, you know, what they're doing. I would say, yes, the discretion and discreet are the cornerstones to what the group stands for and what the resort will be. The people that are there are, you know, a lot of them might be high-end CEOs or, you know, people that have, you know, important professional lives, whatever that may be. And not everyone uses their real names kind of a thing, but it's a place for people to feel comfortable. And I would say as far as who would be comfortable going there, I mean, I would say just about anybody. But it is not going to be the spring break kind of party center that people are kind of used to with some of the other resorts. This is more of like an elevated luxury experience within the lifestyle. And did you feel like, I know a lot of people are going to be concerned about the cost. Did you feel like what you paid was commensurate to the the experience and the value that you received from the entire resort, the room, the service, the food, the people. Did you feel like you got your money's worth, I guess is what I'm asking. I would say it was a great value. We did pay for our drinks by the pool, our drinks at dinner, happy hour. All the meals, except for the part that was paid in advance for the weekend, were additional. We had spa treatments just about every day. That was additional. But you know, you can choose to do those things or not choose. We had plenty of space within our room to bring food in from the outside. You know, there's a lot of different ways people can experience, you know, you don't have to do room service every meal. So it can be very costly or not so costly depending on how you vacation. But I do think it was a good value. We had live music every night with dinner or at sunsets. We had, there were some complimentary drinks because they were showcasing a cocktail. So yeah, I think the value was there. Yeah, I thought for the true five-star experience that we had, it was well worth it. Yeah, and I think that's the expectation is if everything that you all have described fits with what people would like to have on their vacation, then it's going to be a good fit. I think some of the mistakes that we make is trying to compare Hedo to Desire, or Desire to the resort or not in New Orleans. So, you know, they're all different experiences. And this is probably a part of the market that maybe has been missing a little while. So I think as long as people understand what the offer is at the resort, then, you know, people are going to go there and be the right fit for, you know, what that experience is going to be like. Absolutely. And, you know, we like all the resorts. We go to all of them and we enjoy them for what they are. And the resort, is just an additional layer. We wouldn't do that all the time, but that is something that adds to our lifestyle experience. So we are getting ready to go ourselves in February and looking forward to that. But it's always good. We've known you guys for a long time. We used to be practically neighbors. Yes. We've done trips together. So to hear from people that we know and that we trust to say that this is the experience you had. I know for Mrs. Jones and I, it makes us feel like, okay, yeah, it's going to be a fun week and it's going to fit. into something that we enjoy. You're going to love it. Yeah. Well, thanks. Thanks for coming in away from the pool and the thump of the music and the playmakers here at Desire to ironically come in and talk about your experience at the resort. And we're looking forward to going ourselves. Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah. Thank you so much. Hey, this is Jessica. If this episode stirred something in you, curiosity, comfort, or that quiet, I've been looking for this feeling. Don't stop here. Go listen to episode 131, Finding Your Tribe and the We Got a Thing community. 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