Episode 113: The Realities of Clothing Optional Resorts

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This podcast contains explicit language and content and is for mature audiences only. Hey you teenagers out there, if you're under 18, this show is more for your parents. So now that you have that mental picture stuck in your head, put some music on and get back to doing your homework. We are a long-time married couple who's decided to chronicle our personal adventures and share our sex-positive discussions as we navigate our way through the swinging lifestyle. Care to join us?

hello everyone i'm mr jones and i'm mrs jones we want to welcome you to episode 113 of the we got a thing podcast we're back yeah i'm telling you the past like three months the past three years of our lives have been crazy. But we are officially settled. You think so? Yeah. Okay, I got that on tape. In one house. Yeah. The other house isn't sold yet, but it's on the market and it doesn't have any of our stuff in it. Thank you for giving us the month of December off from podcasting because it has been a crazy month.

and um we promise to make it up to you though because we do have a topic all set that we were going to do in january that we'll try to cram in at the end of january well it's only january 3rd so i think we have plenty of time to do it i know but we had to go back to virginia in november for to help pack my mom and dad up yeah and then to go to desire which we'll talk about in a minute we didn't even say what episode this is episode 113 i said it oh you did yeah okay uh so then we had to go to desire and then we had to do thanksgiving with some family and then we had to drive back down here to florida and then had family descend upon our abode.

Well, we were helping your parents move into their house. That's right. Yes. We helped them move in. Yeah. Had a little bout with my dad in the hospital, got him back out. Then put him back in the hospital, got him back out. He's better now.

And then we had family come and we had company for three weeks yes from december 12th until january 1st but i wasn't counting or anything and it was lovely but one thing we learned about our house is our house doesn't really have a lot of personal space when there's a lot of people in it it's a very open floor plan yeah so it's not like our other house where we couldn't as a matter of fact we had to even we canceled the uh no we did did we do the men's and chat in the ladies book club we did didn't we yeah yeah so we did sneak away for that one night well no not when we had family in town oh that was the night we had to get people to cover for us really quick.

Oh, right. Yeah, because we just don't have anywhere to hide. No, no. So everybody's gone now. And everybody is in the correct state. Yeah. You know, and one thing that we're learning, we're, what do they call it this year? In which generation? Like, you know, we're helping, we're still helping out adult children.

Oh, right, right children and we have parents to take care of and we when we were in Virginia and your parents left to come down here they sold their house and they stayed with us for a week of in Virginia and then they drove down here and we we put them in the car we saw them off and you you said this is kind of like the first time you let your teenage kids get in the car together yeah and drive off yeah right you know it was kind of the same thing putting the and and your parents are still very healthy and very capable but it was it was just not comfortable yeah we were we were um on pins and needles for a day and a half until they got down here no your mom did a great job she texted us like every hour and told us where they were and where they stopped and what they had for lunch and all that good stuff so yeah so we're gonna get into a routine now yes yeah so we got and we don't have a housekeeper a house cleaner at this house yes we do yeah he's really tall and sexy and you do a really good job well we got the what we got the coolest thing that a man probably invented this what what kind of device am I vacuuming with it's a Roomba no no no the thing I pushed oh the Dyson yeah okay so we have a Roomba this is our third Roomba and I finally have that program to avoid the carpet where it would get stuck he trains it like it's a puppy this is our new pet yeah I walk around the house and kick it when it gets near the carpet you don't kick it you just put your foot up so it sees your foot and it doesn't go on the rug no I tap it's a little bumper oh you do we know how to communicate so we no but what's the other thing is a dyson yeah it's just a dyson stick back but it's a new one so it's got the latest technology so this house is on a slab it's all one level and we have this fake wood floor it's a nice floor it's a it's the nice laminate floor yes the dyson has this like little green light that shoots out right at floor level and if you've ever if you've ever had the sunrise come up in your house and the windows open and you see all the dust on your floor this thing does that and so when i start vacuuming it's like a competition i i can clearly see the dirt like before when you have a regular vacuum you just assume there was dirt there but now i can see it and i get obsessed with it and you know i go over it and over it until i'm sure that i've gotten all the dust and then and then we got a new steam mop and you're using that like you're really into we have the cleanest floors in the neighborhood well you know when they finished construction they did not mop the floors.

Oh, I know. Yeah, we knew they were dirty. Yeah, so it's going to take a while. But yeah, anyway. Well, and then we had a three-year-old in our house for two weeks. Yeah, but the reason we knew the floor was dirty is because she was barefoot and the bottom of her feet cut black. I know. Anyway, this is not sexy stuff. This is our real life. But there's no boxes left in our house. I'm sure.

We got our closets done and our pantry done and like everything is put away hot tub is working yeah now the pool's only 53 degrees but you know spring will come soon yeah yeah so anyway we're we're falling back into routine i and i think a lot of you can relate to this this time of year because i think like the two best days during the holidays when your family's around is the day they get there and the day that they leave and when we and when our last company left we just both kind of sat down that night turned the tv on and just vegged out i know it was so quiet in the house it was amazing i know yeah a three-year-old does not um especially when you don't have any carpet in your house you know and it's and we don't really have a lot of stuff on the walls yet so sound really carries only knows one volume yeah she has one volume and it's not soft so any but she's cute yeah it's a good thing so before get to, so what are we talking about?

We recorded this episode live at Desire Pearl in November. We can say two months ago now. It's not two months, but yes.

We had a great week and we'll talk about that in a minute, but the topic that everyone discussed that day when we did our live podcast recording was what it was clothing optional what does clothing optional mean to you right what how did clothing optional end up feeling um as in contrast to what you thought it was going to be like before you came down because we had a lot of newbies with us this year right and then even if um like that was uh oh you know what we did down there we celebrated our 10 year swingerversary yeah they made up our bed and everything they did they did they even sang and they get a cake in the pool they brought us no on the side of the pool and then they called us up and they sang happy anniversary to us in the tune of happy birthday but it was lovely like our our pool bed that day was gorgeous it was like purple and gold like all decked out i didn't notice it until you pointed it out it was amazing that was it was great and then they had stuff in our room for us you're getting ahead of the outline i'm sorry it was but it was our 10-year swing anniversary i'm allowed to be excited about it yeah so we're going so we're going to play the recording for you in segment two um we had a lot of people contribute it was really good conversation because we do have a perception of what clothing optional is going to be like and then you get there and it's completely different sometimes and your perspective changes during the days of the week.

Well, and what I was going to say when I went off on my 10 year tangent was it even evolves over time. Like I dress differently now at Desire than I did when we first started going there. Sometimes I'm a little sexier. Sometimes I'm a little more conservative.

It's just, it's kind of evolved, I guess so before we talk about our week let's talk about the elephant in the room which is the resort formerly known as michez yeah grand michez desire michez temptation michez most of you have probably already heard by now but they are it is no more closing yeah the january 15th in just a couple of weeks which makes me so sad because that place was great yeah and we we really um we are the type of people that we don't repeat things that we can't confirm so we we we have heard some stories about what happened and and i've even gotten some information directly from some folks at Desire, but I need to confirm a couple things before we go on the air with it.

But regardless of that, the resort is shutting down. We had a trip to Gran Meeche's planned for June. And that is hopefully going to still happen at one of the resorts in Mexico. We don't know which one yet. We're looking at availability and that kind of stuff to make sure there would be room for us. Right. Since it's only six months away. Yeah. And we had a lot of people, they already had childcare set up and already had taken the week off. So we didn't want to not go somewhere. Right.

So we you all posted oh it's still going to be fun it'll probably be at pearl or rm one of the yeah wherever we can get 30 or so rooms yeah we should know soon yeah so yeah so we're really sad um you know as a more details come out i you know i guess we can share them on future episodes but right now we really don't know much more than anybody else we just know that we have some reservations we need to get transferred and all kinds of complicated stuff well i can share my opinion and that is with the with the way that they rolled it out first it was going to be clothing optional then just before they opened they changed it and then they changed it back and so you know they lost a lot of credibility and they lost a lot of trust you know for the for their devoted kind of people who were going to come over there and follow them yeah um at least that's the way we felt about it um but yeah the business reasons behind it we're not quite 100 on but it was hard for them to recover from that once they made that mistake yeah yeah so i think they're right now i think uh from what because we did have some conversations with a couple of the management folks when we were there in November and, and this wasn't discussed at all.

Like we had no idea. We found out when everybody else found out last week. But one thing I do know that they're going to do is they're really going to be focusing on the resorts that they do have. know like they've they've almost doubled the size of desire rm at least property wise um you know with all the the new eden area that they're developing and and i think i wouldn't be surprised if some great things ended up happening at pearl too yeah you know as far as renovations and expansion potential expansions? Yeah. Well, we can say for sure that Pearl is still going great guns. Yeah.

I just corresponded with the manager there the other day, and we were fortunate enough to have breakfast with her when we were there in November. And it's good to see consistent management there, and she's doing a great job. And she's got some staff around her that are really doing a good job. Yeah, and it's hard to get a reservation there, so things must be good. All right, so let's talk about our week. The weather was decent. Yes, I think it rained once, and it wasn't all day. No. So we had a couple of events.

Normally, we don't do a lot of special events while we're there, maybe one a day, just because Pearl does such a good job of entertaining us, we don't want to get in the way. But we did do a meet and greet the first night, and you had a ladies' mimosa and daisy chain swap meet. Ladies' cocktails and conversation. Yeah, right. Conversations. That was a great, we had a great turnout. We felt the disco. Yeah. And oh my gosh, the swap meet has turned into like the highlight of the week practically. What's the swap meet?

So you bring like items, clothing items with you that either don't fit you quite right or that you're just tired of or like you know if you buy things on sheen or some amazon stuff they're so inexpensive if they don't fit right sometimes it's not worth the effort to return them right you know so we all have this pile of stuff whether they're swimsuits lingerie club dresses whatever that we bring with us and it's just we lay them all that on like the high top tables in the disco. And then we just all have like a big try on party. And it's fun.

Cause like some of the ladies just become stylists and they're, they'll walk around and they'll look at something and they'll say, Hey, I think this is going to look good on you. You need to try this on now. You know, and they, they'll, they'll just see something. And usually they're right. So I was right. There are naked ladies in there. Oh, there's definitely naked ladies in there. Well, that's what you should have led with that. You would have had my attention. Well, we're trying stuff on. You can't try stuff on over your clothes.

Well, maybe you need the guys in there to be judges of that as well next year. Somehow I don't think we would get a lot of participation. Yeah. No. A lot of like swap feedback. Yeah. The swapping might not take on the same form as the swap meat swapping. Besides that, you ladies can look at each other and you can say things like, maybe that that's not that doesn't fit you. Maybe you can try this where the guys could never get away with telling. Oh, hell no. That's best we stay away.

But we were we were in the mansion uh lobby drinking um bourbon and and smoking cigars they did make you go out on the little terrace to smoke right we chose to go out on the we're not savages okay yeah we well we've had them in in our penthouse in the past and used to terrace but it gets really crowded so we we moved to the uh the lounge well crowded and hot because we do it at 11 o'clock in the morning yeah and the the sun is still like facing our terrace we always end up getting the same penthouse and and basically you're just getting like fried right in the sun when you have to go out there and smoke.

Yeah. So the guys had fun. That was a great conversation. Met some new friends there. And then we do a speed dating in the pool, a couple speed dating where there's two concentric circles and everybody rotates around and gets to meet everyone else. Oh, baby, you said math again. I know.

That's so sexy.'s so sexy and then what else do we do we do um a progressive lunch we did that at uh pearl restaurant this time right yep yeah and of course we recorded a live podcast but and the rest of it was just a blast it was great people it was great to see old friends we had we did have a lot of new couples this year yeah and i think next year is pretty close to sold out already too but you can get on the waiting list if if you want to go you know my favorite night this year theme wise they did a flower power night it was like a 60s night and um i had we had gone to an event um in kansas city once and I had to wear white go-go boots.

So I had my white go-go boots and I had this like 1960s flower dress, flower power dress with like the little like headband that goes around and everything. And unbeknownst to me, you bought a shirt for flower power night. I did. And you looked fantastic.

Well, thank you thank you well i didn't dress up a lot this year i mean it's no secret that i'm not a big fan of um if and if y'all don't know that of dressing up well there's a reason you didn't dress up yeah i know so we had to pack here in florida for desire but we were going to virginia first right so we packed our florida or our desire suitcases in suitcases and then we just left them packed the whole time we were the two weeks we were in virginia right and when we were here in florida i had unpacked like all of your costume stuff and put it in a dresser drawer and i said your costume stuff is there and you took that to mean that i packed your costume stuff for you we could have just said we forgot it no it just shows like we have a podcast about communication and this just shows how sometimes we suck at communication We forgot it.

We forgot it. Three words. We left it at home. You can even say that. Is this when you're going to accuse me of using 600 words to say something? Like I told you that your costume stuff was there and then you didn't get it out. I'm not arguing that. I'll even say I left myself at home. Just changing the pronoun. That helps us get on with the next topic. All right. Anyway, thank you all for joining us at Desire. It was a great time. We will definitely get the June trip information to you, and we'll be back in Mexico, I guess, June and November of next year, at least. Yes.

We may sneak away again. Who knows? I know. I was talking to somebody and trying to figure out the last time you and I went to Desire alone. And I think we need to, it's been a while. So I guess we need to remedy that. Yep. So anyway, is there anything else we need to talk about as far as Desire goes? I think that's enough for now. I think we can listen to our conversation in the disco and then come back and maybe say everything we forgot right now. Yeah. So we hope you enjoy the conversation. And we thank everybody that was with us that participated. It really turned out well.

We are at the happiest place on earth for grown-ups um desire poor resorts and they did a great job we're in the disco for those of you that have been here before so you can kind of get a mental picture and they've set all these chairs up so we have like all of these like super sexy faces staring at us right now it's not a bad place to be yeah so we we're going to talk about clothing optional and what that means. I remember looking at the Desire website when I was given permission for us to travel to an adults only clothing optional resort. It was a double dog dare is what it was. Yes.

And the images that I saw on the website were fairly intimidating because I didn't see anybody that looked like me. And it gave me pause to think, well, I understand why they market that way. But those of us who don't look like we're 25 and just came out of the gym, that this is going to be a place where I can feel comfortable and where I can consider taking my clothes off. But I remember when we walked in the first time and we came down to the pool, and I think we were here about 30 minutes.

And back then, the only bathing suits I had as a guy were the board shorts, and I felt like they came to my ankles and so I was laying there and as we walked in and and many of you experienced this too especially if you have the yellow bracelet is like you feel like everybody has turned their heads and stopped talking and the music goes down and the spotlight comes on and everybody's watching you so we I kept my head down, found the chair, didn't make eye contact with anybody, and then laid down in the chair.

And after about 30 minutes, I kind of nonchalantly started tugging, hoping that nobody would notice that I was moving and actually removing my clothes. Um, however, after about 10 or 15 minutes, all of a sudden it felt normal and it felt really good. And then I was able to actually look around at other people. And the first thing I noticed was, oh, there are a lot of other people here that look like we do. And then that's when And it really became a whole lot more, you know, I would say the vibe hits you, you become more comfortable, at least I did.

But then getting up and walking from the chair to the restroom is a whole new experience. But I have to admit as a guy, it is nice to be able to go in and stand at the urine on. I have to use your hands with that. That's kind of that's a lot of information, babe. OK, what about you? Well, I think I think the the thing that I didn't understand until I got here is being naked is one thing. being sexy is something else. Um, like, you know, I'm, I'm not a girl, you know, I'm not a kid anymore. I've had two babies, this and that. And I can kind of make peace with that.

But then for me, like the clothing optional part where you get to be scantily clad at the lobby for all the theme nights, I found to be very intimidating. So I, you know, I think one thing we want to explore today are all these different vantage points of, of like, kind of what is clothing optional and it's kind of different with no matter whatever activity you're participating in, I guess, or wherever you are in the resort. And, and there were some observations that are still burned into my mind that I can't get out of my head, especially from a guy's perspective.

We were, we were at Riviera Maya one time and his wife, this gentleman put his wife up on the bar to do a body shot and they won't be able to see this on the podcast. But when the guy went up to get onto the bar and put his knee up there, and I learned that there are certain angles that just need to be kept to themselves. And if you haven't been to RM, the hot tub at RM is very small. So there's not a lot of personal space there. So when it happened, we were like, oh, you can visibly hear the, oh, you know, throughout the hot tub.

But anyway, what we would like to do, because we would like to hear what your thoughts are. Some of you have been here many times. Some of you, this is your first time here. Maybe you're still at the point where you're trying to work through that. And also what I have found since I had surgery a year and a half ago, I feel different about myself now. And bathing suits, thank goodness for men, the styles have changed and I can wear something really small, not those board shorts anymore. So I find that during the day, I like to wear a smaller bathing suit in the, in the pool.

And then at night, nothing when I get into the hot tub and it's just how I've changed and what I'm comfortable with. And to your point, sometimes I feel more comfortable and more sexy as a guy with a bathing suit on rather than walking around naked all the time. So anyway, that's something that in me has changed, you know, as we've continued to come back. So we'd love to hear your thoughts on clothing optional. And I'm not just talking about everybody coming up saying, oh, I was so scared because, you know, I think we all have had that at some level, but like, have you found it liberating?

Have you found it empowering? How are the feelings that you feel different than what you were anticipating? Those are the kinds of things I want you to noodle through and share. Yeah. So as you're coming up, I'll tell one more story on Mrs. Jones. And that is, before we even came to Desire, we went to a topless beach in Dominican Republic. and there were a few ladies that were topless and I kept begging her to take her top off. It was more like bullying, but it was in the form of begging by kind of bullying. Yeah. I'll edit that out. And I remember she said, okay, I'm going to take my top off.

And she was laying there and she had her eyes closed almost to the point that she was squinting and frozen. And then what petrified you the most was when this couple came and sat down next to us and started talking to us. And you wouldn't even open your eyes to like talk with them. You were pretending like they weren't there. I was so rude. I completely ignored that they were there because I didn't want them to see. I didn't want to see them looking at my boobs like it was stupid. So we've come a long way. Yeah, for sure.

So when you come up, if you wouldn't mind sharing your microphone, because it'll be easier to go across. Right. So. Hi, my husband and I have been nudists for 10 years now. And I just it's funny how I look at people. I see people's faces. I really honestly, and this is the truth, don't look, well, maybe a little bit now since I'm a swinger, but before I was a swinger, I didn't. But, you know, everybody, the main thing to remember is that nobody's a perfect 10. I don't, you know, I mean, there's always something about our body that we feel uncomfortable with.

And I just figured, you know what, this is me. And if you don't like me for me or who I am, tough beans. I'm here. You know, this is me. But and also I'd like to say that if I had if I was a billionaire, I would treat everybody from mature matters to this desire. My my clan. Thanks. Yes. I think when you get to a certain age, it becomes more intimidating, and to just be able to let go, it's very empowering. And just to give you an idea more about who she is, you all celebrated your what anniversary when you came here for the first time? 40th.

Okay, so that gives you an idea of there's a spectrum of folks that come here. So thank you for sharing. Yeah, we've been coming to Desire for about 20 years. And I think it just gives a sense of self-confidence when you can get okay with your body. It doesn't have to be perfect. And you realize the guys like your body okay. And it can have a lot of different folds and, you know, you can be soft, which a lot of women are. And so just an appreciation for the human form and, and you start to not be so critical of yourself and other, other people.

I think it's one of the most accepting places, you know, and if you can get over that, uh, I've got to be a model to come. And you see, oh, everybody, most people are naked. It's okay. And so I don't have to be scared to show myself. And some of sharing your skin is also sharing more of your personality and who you are. And so it's just, it's an awesome interaction and a place to, we've just really loved it.

So do you find when you go home, it's hard to put your clothes back on oh it depends how cold it is so we went to an event earlier this year in may to the dc and i was at a men's chat after and some of the men were mentioning that they struggled with the the volume which, I mean, it's always going to be an issue and how it wasn't necessarily the best experience. They had trouble making connections because of that. And my reply was, sorry about that. I just had the best weekend of my life. And it was amazing. And it was just, we did that right. And we made so many connections ahead of there.

So we were introducing ourselves to friends that we already had and it was it was just we did that right and we made so many connections ahead of there so we were introducing ourselves to friends that we already had and it was it was just amazing so when we came upon this week um thanks for facilitating the best week of my life because it's it's amazing i asked me this morning i said is there any place sexier on the earth that you've ever been before and it's like, no. And so, you know, one of the things I want to say is some encouragement that the experience can be fairly easy.

You know, you may go in with some apprehensions and ours wasn't so much just about taking our clothes off. It was about, you know, the playmakers and might pull you in and what's going to happen. And so I'm not sure what they have in that foam, but it got things going. It got things going pretty quick without getting too specific. There was butt body shots and chocolate sauce on places. And it was, it got pretty crazy, pretty fast. And we were both okay with it.

We weren't sure, you know, so whether it's just taking your clothes off or something specific, it can, it can go well and it can get off to a good start and you can have a great week. But I do have to add on to that story a little bit because my lady friend, we had already talked before you ended up playing the game with the chocolate sauce and such. And I was pretty confident that you had decided you were not taking your bottoms off during the week. And, yeah, I don't know what was in the foam because it must have been slippery because they just slid right down, girl.

Well, the good news is this year I didn't break or burn anything.

but um we found out firsthand what it means not to have clothing even at a clothing optional resort because our luggage was lost for three days and so we had the bare minimum but i do want to say how wonderful this community was because we got so many offers of hey do you need a shirt for this costume night one of our great friends just without you know just brought up here here's shorts and a shirt and everything i still have your clothes but i'm keeping the cool underwear sorry um we have been we have been going to um nude places uh both lifestyle and not for a long time and we were the same the very first time we're on new beach we're shrunken down and trying to you know quietly take off and next thing you know she's running around just like whoa this is so much fun um it's it is liberating there are some danger points when you're in the pool um because, you know, if things happen and especially when you're doing the meet and greet or the speed dating.

Yeah. And if something happens, all of a sudden the whistle blows and you're going there like, I'm sorry, excuse me. But this again, this community is just so special and they've been so, so we just want to say thank you to everybody. You've been wonderful. And, uh, we just, I mean, even after so many years, we've learned so much about this group. So thank you. I think that that's a common question we get, especially from the guys is, uh, does everyone walk around with the heart on all day?

And sometimes that happens, but oftentimes it doesn't, or you just stay submerged, you know, until you're prepared. I know. My favorite thing is when a guy's like, thanks, and I got to stay in the hot tub for like 10 minutes. I can't get out. I'm like, oh, sorry, not sorry. Okay. So he tells your sensual story. I'll tell the spiritual side of this. For me, I grew up in a very strict environment and I was always the outside kid and I was always the spectacle. So I spent a lot of time in my adult life trying not to be a spectacle, trying not to have the spotlight on me.

So I was very nervous coming here about taking my clothes off, taking my top off. And I was definitely, as I said, not going to play the games. I did not want to become a spectacle. But I also have a really strong need to be known well, not well known. I don't care how many people know me, but I want to be an authentic person. And I've spent so much time in my life hiding who that person was. And the experience of swinging and the WGT community in general has taught me that people love and accept everybody, every body type, every personality type.

And so coming in and coming here and feeling free to take my clothes off in front of you was a little bit of showing you who I am. And besides showing you who I am, it was a way for me to feel completely like me and completely accepted as me. And the biggest thing I was worried about, not worried, but nervous about in that is, so like there's people I know there and I'm going to hug them when I greet them. And like, I'm going to hug them naked. Like I've never hugged anybody besides him naked. And so that felt like such a weird, but it's, it's so natural.

It just, and in some ways it feels like the way it's supposed to be. And so that's, this week has been very liberating for me and that carried on, not just in clothing, but in activities and in action. So thank you for the opportunity. so when you make it home, not only do you have to get used to wearing textiles again, but if it's me, when I go to hug somebody, I have to think, kiss on the cheek, hands above the waist, kiss on the cheek, hands above the waist.

First of all, I want to start by thanking you both to come for us to be here now and experience this particular um group oriented kind of event we've done it before this is our second time and um i'm um i'm an artist so for me being naked is a part of who i am but it brought me coming from a very religious traditional household before was something that was more superficial base it was all about the looks, the height everything else that combines and us being here over and over again recognizing that I'm more than just a body I have feelings and feeling more very welcome and desire to learn who are you as a person, as well as who I am as a person and how it all come together of being.

When you take off the clothes for me me there's no more hiding and there's everything is open and raw so um thank you very much for allowing this to happen naturally without any first of all i was thinking like oh my god it has to be a particular look and now with years doing that it's like there's no look it's just who you are as a person that counts thanks so if there's two things people feel more or fear more about it's being naked and doing public speaking so everyone who has come up here congratulations because that's monumental in most people's lives but uh when we got to this place that we're in right now it started out as clothing optional, and a lot of guys talk to me, what is it like?

Why do you do it? And I say, one of the most amazing things is feeling the sun, the wind, and everything on your whole body and not having a textile or a fabric bunching up or having to dry out.

it just feels natural it feels amazing and it feels liberating and the other thing that people or the guys in particular talk about is what we deal with with below the waist stuff and i don't think that's something that we should have to think about it things like such as being aroused that's a natural human reaction to a stimulus we should not be embarrassed about it particularly here at desire so you know i don't think we should be embarrassed about coming out of the hot tub and you know being aroused it's it's natural um similarly um when you first take your clothes off the way your body functions you're not going to be aroused anyway so if you're listening if you're listening to this podcast right now and you have not um taking your clothes off in front of people and you're worried about popping an erection it's probably not going to happen so that that shouldn't be a fear that should keep you from experiencing what it's like being naked out in the sun.

And according to your wife, when you don't have your clothes on, you don't look like a homeless person. So I want to thank you guys for hosting this event, because if it wasn't for you, we wouldn't be here.

My wife gave me homework when we first started getting into this and she said you got to listen to these and we have to go here and we're going here so um just want to say thank you for that um in regards to um clothing optional something that i had learned years ago is like like people lie but your body doesn't okay so people will say oh i'm this and i'm that and your body and your facial reactions and everything they won't match up with what you're saying so when you're here you take all your clothes off like just as you were just saying you uh if you're aroused it's because you saw something that you really like you're telling the truth you can't say were you looking at that girl no i i really didn't like her no she was ugly honey i don't like her at all like no you were and you're forced to be honest and actually forced to show the real you, to be yourself.

Like, you know, everything that's here is the environment's made to stimulate, titillate, to get you in a certain mind space. But it's really up to you as an individual to kind of show who you are. You have to really put yourself out there. So, um, as everybody has said so far, if you're considering, you know, diving in head first and don't dive in head first, it's only about four feet deep. We don't want any injuries here, but if you are just, you know, take that leap of faith and join us next year.

I think one of the most interesting things about what you just said is that, you know, finding out who you're attractive to and how your body responds to that, and you can't lie about it. And when we first started coming here, I found it fascinating to see who Mr. Jones responded to, what type of lady, what personality the lady had, all those things, because he had been so loyal to me for so many decades. He never really had permission to explore who he was attracted to. And that's a fun part of the journey as well.

So one of the things I'm aware of is in this process, we learn and we grow as we interact with one another. This is kind of like a social microcosm, you know, one particular theorist talks about.

about and so these feelings that come up it's an opportunity to kind of get to know ourselves a little bit more to get to know the truth about who we are um a part of that there's there's kind of an underside of it an ugly underside that's really important and that's also paying attention to the negative messages that the things that we say about ourselves and we say to ourselves that we would never say in public because everybody would be like, OMG, you think that way? So I'll be honest, growing up, my mom has major issues across a whole bunch of areas.

And so I grew watching TV if there was, say, a guy's backside that came up, Oh, that's ugly. Men's butts are ugly. I grew up believing that my body was ugly. That's what I really believe at the core of my being. And so I've had to spend some time when that stuff kicks up in me. What do I do with that? Now, sometimes we need to get a little extra help, some, you know, a psychologist or pastor or somebody to talk to about it. And that's a good thing. But even in this context, what we're doing is really working with some of those unfinished pieces of business in us.

And so all of the, I'd love the positive messages that are coming up. Just encourage, don't, don't ignore, don't downplay the kind of uncomfortable stuff because that's important too yeah so i think i said yesterday at the ladies or the the lingerie swap last year when i dressed i think i brought what i thought you were supposed to wear and there were several outfits that i was really uncomfortable this year. I had fun with the themes and I had, especially the first day we came was the BDSM night, which was probably my most revealing outfit. And the one I was most anxious about.

So like that going in was like ripping the bandaid off. And I had like a lace, like cover up over my little strappy outfit. And it was amazing within about five minutes that came off because it was just so comfortable and everyone is so welcome. And you talk about like your body growing up. I didn't like my body and I still have issues with it. And the things that I don't like are often the things that others do. And like right before we left, we went shopping with our girls and tried on this like catsuit of Victoria's Secret.

And I come out and I see my ass and my stomach and my 15 year old literally looks at me and goes, mom, you have the body that all the girls at high school want. She's like, you have all that junk in the trunk and you couldn't share any with me. Like, sorry, babe, don't know what to tell you. And I look at her body and I'm like, damn, I want that. So, but it's just, everyone's accepting. And yesterday we saw it when we were all swapping and be like, oh, this, you have to get this. You have to try on this. Swapping clothes. Swapping clothes. Yes. We don't tell you about that other stuff.

So, but, and people would help people with like straps and in some ways it's hilarious because you're like, there's all these straps and you're like dive bumping into an outfit, but it was just, everyone's wonderful and everyone's accepting. You and I have completely opposite body types. You're tall. I'm short. You're curvy. I am built like a boy, you know? And it's like, I would love to have a booty like that. You know, it's, isn't it funny how like curly hair ladies want straight hair and vice versa, but we're all beautiful in our own way.

But maybe it's just because that this is what I see every day in the mirror, you know, and variety is fun. And when you have an opportunity to meet people, uh, someone said earlier, you're out there and it's who you are. And when somebody comes up to you and says, you know, that they think you look sexy or you're, it really does begin, you never get tired of hearing that. And what one of the things that I've had to try to do is accept compliments from people and not deflect that, you know, and then also not just spit it right back at them as a response to it. I've gotten much better at that.

And that, especially if you don't have any clothes on, you're out there and somebody makes a comment like that, you know, it really does help us. It helps me, you know, to really, as was mentioned earlier, to understand that the male body is, I have a whole different perspective on the male body now than when I first got into this and especially my own. So it is really liberating to experience that. Long-time listener, first-time caller, fifth-time traveler.

Getting up here in front of all these sexy people that we've spent the whole week with that have gotten to know us is far more terrifying for me than taking my clothes off by the pool um so it's it's the liberation of being able to remove your clothing and remove all the the external cover-ups and then just being able to be genuine with yourself with your spouse spouse, with others, that's the liberating part of this. The sexiness is great. It's wonderful. Being able to have a sexy time with friends, it's great.

But just being liberating and really truly knowing who you are and what you are capable of, that's the beauty of desire. That's the beauty of this lifestyle. Thanks. And if there's anybody else in his situation where you think public speaking I'm not sure to be helpful. We, uh, we've listened to the podcast for probably seven years, but we only joined, uh, the, we got September, so only like a couple months ago, and something we've wanted to do forever to come to Desire because it's one of those bucket list dream things and stuff, and the folks who are on the podcast, I will tell you that Mr.

and Mrs. Jones, they're exactly who you hear when you meet them, so thank you for that. I didn't have any problems getting naked. I kind of like it, but what the problem I had or the fear I had was I'm going to go here and I'm not going to like really talk to anybody, you know, cause I don't know anybody or anything like that.

At a vanilla resort I had gone to many years ago, you know, everybody's in there with blinders on cause you're a couples and, and you might to a couple here you might talk to a couple there but here everybody's talking to everybody and if you're sitting there and somebody sees that you know nobody's talking you're going to bring them into their conversation uh so thank you everybody and the other piece I wanted to say is when I got into the we got a thing a couple months ago with the mighty app or whatever and now you see all these people who are post then they're like celebrities you know you get to actually meet them so i got to meet the celebrities i've been watching so hey this was our first time here and it was i basically just wanted to echo the same sentiments that he said we were um observationally on the outside looking in when we joined the community in june um i get more and more nervous as we got to the trip because everyone's good friends.

We see you guys post together and we see the meet and greets and cracking into that core group of people kind of felt insurmountable. But everyone's been extremely approachable, slapping hands with everybody, saying hello. Like you said, weaving us into your conversations. We feel very welcomed, very comfortable. You guys are rad. And this place is bonkers, by the way. I got up at 5 a.m. There's a dildo in my pocket, and I love it here. And I was a little worried about you because I didn't see you last night. Clearly, now I know why.

I'm like, oh, those poor little newbies are probably hiding in their room. I should have known better. And I think Mrs. Jones is maybe a little bit disappointed that that was just a dildo in your pocket. So mine is a little different. And I think we touched on it yesterday with the ladies is that I had people offer me makeup. And I thought, no. I said, for the first time in my life, I'm not going to put on makeup to go get the mail. Because that's what I was brought up with. You have to look good all the time in case you're in an accident. You have to go to the hospital. You have to look good.

That's what I grew up with. And so I thought, you know what? I'm just going to go without makeup. And I couldn't believe it. It was wonderful. Even for dinner at night, I mean, I didn't have my curling iron and I borrowed a dress and we went out to dinner and everybody's like, Oh, you look so great. And I'm like, wow, it was wonderful. So I'm more liberated having not worn makeup almost this whole week than, than the no clothes thing. So that's my way of, of this is what I really look like. It's not this, it's this. So that's my part. I like to hide behind makeup.

I rarely go out without mascara on, you know, because I'm a redhead. My eyelashes don't show up unless I have mascara on and I don't like the way I look. So now I feel like I'm challenged to not wear mascara. Thanks, friend. But actually, I say that, I mean, that that actually is really resonating with me. That's that stuff that we have inside of us, those insecurities. You mean you're no longer scarred by that? One of the first times we had sex, what I said to you when you came out of the bathroom with no makeup on? Yeah.

He said, you look really different without makeup i i wasn't really sure how to respond to that and i've also tried it on that in that on that note i i i've given women compliments before that you kind of gave me a side eye on. And that's when I say that you're simply beautiful. And it's more about, it's less about makeup and the clothes. And it's more about how you present yourself and are you authentic to yourself. And when I see that, it's just simple beauty. There doesn't need to be anything to augment that or to make that look different.

And that vulnerability on top of that is even more sexy because you're sharing part of yourself that you don't share easily and with other people. And when somebody is vulnerable with me, I feel like that's such a huge gift that was presented to me unconditionally. So that's a big part of it. That's what I meant to say. Yeah, you've come a long way, baby. One of my favorite quotes that I say to myself all the time is, easy doesn't change you. So if I feel challenged, I have to remind myself of that. And being naked in front of strangers is not easy. But if you do it, it will change you.

And, you know, I always think that change personally is growth. And when you can see that happening, it's pretty cool. I think we're really talking a lot about being vulnerable, right? And how that feels in different elements. And so for me, it's been, we talked about different parts. And one of the things you mentioned is in the context, whether it's the hot tub or at the pool or at the lobby.

And so for us, that's been a growth opportunity, you know, really like leaning into that discomfort in the lobby, because when we dress up at night, we're going more and more revealing in that sexy piece. And that's another aspect of being vulnerable, where you're like, here's another side of me, right, that I'm allowing, you know, and like, that's uncomfortable, you know, like, so allowing people to come up to us and, you know, saying things like you talked about accepting compliments, right, that's that can be really challenging. And in that context, you're like, very self conscious.

So it's been, it's been good been good for us to you know how and we enjoy as a couple dressing each other for that you know that part of that element of being sexy with one another is is is what we do together you know and so it's been fun for us but it's also been hard you know just to do that you feel uncomfortable and yeah but we've been that been fun. I have to say you guys are really good role models. I mean, you're saying you have fun, but you're saying it's still a growth opportunity, right? You guys make it look so easy.

Like I love your costumes and you just seem so like comfortable in your own skin. So good for you. The other aspect, and as people are sharing and I'm recalling conversations that we've had with each of you, I also really enjoy when my spouse receives a compliment, like if she's getting dressed and she's, I'm going to go change again, or this shows too much of this. And then I see her get a compliment and I say, uh-huh. So it's good because we tell our spouses all the time what they look like. And they're like, oh, you're my wife. Of course, you're going to say that.

So not only is it good for us to receive compliments, but I love when she receives compliments for other people in my presence. And I can make note of that and say, well, don't you remember when this person said that about you and it really helps um you feel a lot more comfortable and believe what people are telling you yeah because i don't believe you so my least favorite um holiday is halloween i hate the costume process dressing up and coming here i was like i, I can't do this costume thing. So I had no idea how to put something together. And I went way over the edge for me last year.

And I felt foolish a few times. So this year I spent a lot more time realizing I don't have to be sexual. It can be sexy. It can be silly. I could just lean into it. And I had so much more fun being more comfortable. There's a comfort zone. They're slightly out of the comfort zone. And then there's what the hell am I doing? And last year, I was in what the hell am I doing a few times and I felt ridiculous and it ruined my night. And this year, I was like, there's no way I'm doing that. And I just had a lot more fun. And boy, was that flower power outfit fun.

Yeah, there's a similar vulnerability. And I'm going to just be honest with you all. I'm not crazy about costumes. I know you probably haven't picked up on that by now. But, you know, for me, I just, it's not something that I get into, but I still enjoy seeing everybody else. And once in a while I will. Um, you know, so it's not, you mentioned coming here in lingerie for me, it's coming here in something that I'm not. And, and, but when I do, I have a good time. It's just, it's not just about clothing optional.

It's the, what clothes you're wearing at a certain time within the context of what's going on, but I've never felt out of place. You know, I always have a good time. So we've been going to clothing optional places for about 10 years now. The one thing that we have learned going to these clothing optional places is that it forced us to get to know the people. When you talk to someone and they're totally naked, you can't talk about how nice their shoes are or how everything else is. You have to actually get to know the person.

And not only did that help us in the nudist community, in the lifestyle community, but it also helps us in my vanilla world because now I get to know the person instead of what they look like. So, uh, it, it made a huge difference in, in my life and my wife's life. And, uh, that's just how we look at it now. I do a lot of public speaking and And I'm not this nervous. I'm usually not this nervous at all. I felt not. I felt the website, Mighty website, was just a social media, you know, catch up, show pictures. And that's what I thought it was until I got here.

And you realize that it's not, it is that it's a great place, but this is home. It's my people. And, um, if I ever have a podcast, don't steal this, but it's going to be recovering Southern Baptist is going to be my, the name of my podcast, because, sorry for any that are still Southern Baptist, but I feel like I outgrew that, and this has definitely helped me, so maybe after this, I'll become a little bit more engaged in social media or the Mighty Podcast, but I thank you all for helping me and I hate compliments. Every time he says, sweetie, we have to drink.

I'm surprised you didn't make a joke about, I had a dream about you last night instead.

However's accepted so my sweetie and i we would never have come here i don't think probably uh had it not been for the optional piece uh for our 15th anniversary we want to do something a little sexier a little bit naughtier and so we put in on the on the google tube uh sexy adult couple vacation and essentially three places came up pedo temptation and desire and uh pedo has the you must be naked thing which was uh no and then desire we looked at desire and we said it's probably not waiting into the shallow end it's cannonballing into the deep end so we elected to go to temptation and then i've told this story before so we ended up at desire by accident because temptation said we're overbooked we want you We want to send you to desire.

And we talked about it and we were like, all right, well, I mean, the worst comes to worst. We'll just stay in the room if we just can't handle it. Um, she's always been comfortable. Well, not always, but I mean, you know, she's comfortable being topless. And so that wasn't an issue, but we didn't, uh, well, our first trip, we did get naked once, which involved getting the big fluffy robes and then going down to the beach, take the robe off and then hold each other's hands. Oh my God. What are we doing? Why are we doing?

Uh, but we didn't actually get fully naked until third trip or something like that. But there was never any judgment about it. And so that was really important to us. And it's been important to a lot of the newer people that we've talked to where they said, Hey, it's optional. And sometimes people will feel internally like there's some pressure to get naked. And I always tell people, look, there's a word there, optional, for a reason. And you don't have to. About the compliments thing, I was talking to Mrs.

Jones yesterday when we passed, and just kind of in passing, And I said, you're beautiful. And there was a slight deflection, kind of a thing. And I said, well, look, I don't have to say anything. I don't have to give you a compliment. I can choose to say nothing. But instead, I chose to honestly say, this is how I see you. Um, now when people honestly do that to me, I suck. Uh, and so I am not good at being like, Oh, thank you so much. Uh, but like Mr.

Jones said, uh, I'm, I'm getting better at not just reflexively throwing a compliment back because I think we get into that habit sometimes where we get socialized that way. So let's practice again. Why don't you give her the compliment? I want to see if she deflects. Well, okay. But I, for me, I have to be, you know, eye contact, trying to be sincere because I am sincere. You're a beautiful woman.

Well well thank you that was an amazing conversation some some years it's a little hard to uh get people to come up here but you you all had amazing things to share and great perspectives yes and uh enjoy the rest of your trip it's almost over um but it's and we promise not to keep you so we'll let you get back out to the beach or to the pool and enjoy the rest of your day welcome back we hope you enjoyed that conversation with all of our friends at the disco at pearl um but there's just some amazing people that we have met along the way and we've had the privilege to become friends with quite a few of them it's really it's pretty amazing and And this group didn't take a lot of arm twisting to come up and talk.

No. They were really talking. I think we said that was probably like the easiest group. And you know, we basically had the same conversation with the ladies earlier in the week when we did our cocktails and conversation. And it's just, it's a lot to process when you're a girl. Like, and I, and I know you guys have issues with clothing optional and costumes and all that stuff. But it's just, it's a lot of pressure we put on ourselves as women.

And one of the things that came up regarding this topic that didn't really get touched on too much in the conversation that we just listened to is one of the ladies, um, in our ladies talk said, you know, you, you have this whole idea of like being naked and then, you know, and then having to like find things to wear for costumes and this and that. And then she said, and then it becomes even more complicated when you're a woman of a certain age. You know, when, how, how do you approach, and I mean, I'm struggling with this. Everybody knows how old I turned last year.

Like to be sexy, but age appropriate, that doesn't even sound right. Like I'm walking around naked, um, and wearing slutty stuff, but I, but I think that's part of it. You know, you can't get a, I don't know, you can't get away with as much, at least in my mind, I feel like I have to, I don't know, tone it down a little or something. See, I'm arguing with myself right now. It's hard. That's all I have to say. Well, what you do is you compare yourself to yourself. Yeah. And that's a losing battle. You compare yourself to where your body was 20 or 30 years ago. Yeah, I know.

So it's not that you're comparing yourselves to other ladies there of different ages it's you're you're our bodies change as we get older and we know what they were like and we know what they're like now it's not just a ladies thing yeah i know i know but that that's just kind of a whole nother layer on top of everything else that you know you have to kind of ponder so let's talk about snapshots i think what we should do if you're okay with this since we missed december why don't we do two snapshots each well that'll be easy well i know well that's good because this past year snapshots have been few and and far between.

Well, we had some really. Oh, there's no need to go into it. I'm just saying, let's just, while we have the ammunition, let's do two weeks. Yeah, we do have ammunition. We had a good week. All right, so we'll go back and forth. You go first.

My snapshot has to do with a group of friends that got together um we had dinner together and we knew everybody knew each other like socially but we didn't know like who had played with whom there were there were four couples including us and you know we really don't pry and people don't really pry in our lives so we don't really we didn't know who had already like played together and we invited everybody back to our plunge pool and i realized that i hate being the instigator because then i feel like like i have the pressure to make sure everything goes okay and that's pretty self-inflicted but but it is part of being like the instigator well there's a difference between an instigator and an orchestrator what's the difference an instigator we invited everyone up that's instigating but we didn't orchestrate anything after that oh you mean like choreograph choreographed?

Yeah, you're going to do this and you're going to do this with whom? And yeah, you didn't try to force something to happen. It's just we invited everyone up, we provided the environment. And then it just kind of organically happened. Right. Okay, so go on. well like we we hung out at our plunge pool for a long time i think we had gotten a couple bottles of wine or something and and all eight of us were in the plunge pool and talking and and i mean it was fun and then somehow we got on the subject of food and we were talking about who liked what kind of food and this and that.

And I remember thinking at the point where we started talking about what kind of Pop-Tarts we liked, that maybe nothing was going to happen. Do you remember that? Like people were talking about their favorite flavor of Pop-Tarts and then how to eat the Pop-Tart. because some people, I guess, pick all the crust off around and then save the center with the goo in it for last. Yeah, frosted cherry. Yeah, that's your favorite flavor. Or unfrosted cherry with butter on it. Yeah, you're the only one that does butter on Pop-Tarts. Yeah, I know. That was interesting. I won't say weird.

It was just interesting because it does sound kind of good i'm a i'm a brown sugar cinnamon girl yeah but they have to be toasted and then then there was a really strong opinions on toasted or not toasted but as we're having this conversation there's two in a pack you do one of each really yeah oh i thought that's why there were two in a pack. You do one of each. Really? Yeah. Oh. I thought that's why there were two slots in the toaster, one for each Pop-Tart. Well, you could do that too. Anyway, this is how our conversation headed.

And I'm thinking, yeah, nobody's going to play tonight because we're desperate enough. We're talking about Pop-Tarts. And then all of a sudden, people just kind of shifted and started making out in the plunge pool and then well it was somebody's birthday yes it was somebody's birthday that's true yeah so we managed to get out of the plunge pool and there was plenty of space on our terrace and plenty of places for people to kind of pair up and lay down. Yeah. And it turned into quite the play session. Yeah, it did. It was awesome.

It took the pressure off of me because I'm still medically recovering. Yeah. And I didn't have to worry about disappointing somebody because I would warm the woman up and then another guy would come finish her off. I was tag teaming. No, it was a blast. I got to reconnect with someone that I hadn't been with in a while and it was just splendid. Oh, at least you didn't say lovely. No, it was hot. It was sexy. It was hot. There were naked bodies all over the terrace. There were naked bodies. There were people moaning and groaning.

The birthday girl got extra special attention, maybe two people at one time. And our birthday girl is not a quiet person. No, she's not. That's why I knew she was having a good time. Yes. No, it was so fun. And then I realized it was going to be okay. Everybody was comfortable with everybody. So it turned out really, really well. Because sometimes the group play sessions can end up kind of awkward because you have an odd man out or something like that, but it didn't appear to be that way.

We can, way because we don't normally have objectives and we're not trying to orchestrate something we're inviting close friends it's just almost like when you have a dinner party and you say would you think these people would like these people i don't know do you think they have anything in common so you know when you bring a group of people together that we know we're comfortable with them we that they're going to enjoy each other. You just don't put any pressure on anybody and you don't orchestrate. And then it happened naturally. Yeah, it sure did. So it was fun. Yeah, but it's not over.

Mine is just like one long snapshot. Okay, so you're going to tell. Go ahead. So then we were hungry. Because we were talking about Pop Tars. Right. So then we were hungry. So we ordered room service. We ordered pizzas and BLTs. Most of us ordered room service. The normal people ordered room service. And then the next thing I know, one of our friends, he had disappeared for a minute. And he comes back with a hot plate and a box of mac and cheese. Yeah. At two o'clock in the morning. Yeah. In Mexico. Yeah. So think about that. The planning it took to bring that along with him. Oh, and a spoon.

Yeah. I mean, he had all the things. Yeah. And what did he do? He made mac and cheese.

And he didn't add add anything to it did he um craft macaroni and cheese right out of the box with the powdered cheese and everything yeah but then they had he had gotten the little uh pads of butter from like the buffet so yeah he had the butter to put in it so you didn't really need the milk because he put a lot of butter in it oh my gosh that was gross so no it wasn't like i really wanted some but i was being nice because one of my other friends was being a little picky too so she got to eat the macaroni and cheese a little picky i love her i'm being nice we were all sitting around post play various uh foggy minds, some people had clothes on, some people didn't.

We're having room service, we're drinking wine. And then he's over at the heating plate making Kraft macaroni and cheese. But I'll tell you what, the room service was really slow. Because by this point, it was like 3 o'clock in the morning.

And he had his mac and cheese done before our room service came and it's a miracle that the other seven of us didn't clearly tackle him for his mac and cheese clearly he had done this before he knew exactly when the noodles were done it was gross it was entertaining it was not gross it looked really good clearly i like mac and cheese better than you do yeah well my snapshots i'm going to do two you kind of did one long one um i think the first one was an a really an unexpected play time that we had with another couple yes we've been really um this trip this happened twice um we we've really been kind of keeping to ourselves for the past year and only some close friends so we didn't know we knew that there were people there that we thought were sexy and that we wanted to meet but we really didn't know if there was going to be any play right i i think we pretty much figured there wasn't going to be any play right but you and i got the week off to a good start i mean we we had a good sexy connection the first the second day i think it was the second day yeah in the morning um but anyway we um we invited this couple back up to our again to our terrace and got to the hot tub tub and didn't really know if there was going to be, you know, anything that happened, but it just kind of, again, it just happened organically.

And they were both really good kissers from the report that I got from you afterwards. And we're going to, that's actually a little bit of a teaser. That's what we're going to talk about in our next episode yes it is just a kiss and in this case they were both fantastic kissers and then one thing led to another and we ended up playing in the hot tub yes it was great yeah it was a lot of fun you know it's you know we don't play a lot date or the first meeting or whatever. That's the first time we've done that in a long time. Well, but we had met this couple in person before. Yeah.

I hadn't really, we didn't even really get to hang out with them that much. I think one night we got to go to the same bar at the same time and we hung out in a group and got to know them a little bit. So that's just, that's kind of like my thing. I kind of like that meeting somebody and finding them really intriguing and then just kind of letting it simmer. So then the next time you see them, it's just so much easier to kind of like connect. Yeah. And anyway, to kind of finish that vignette off, yes, we had a lot of fun in the sexy fun in the hot tub.

But before the end of the week, I'm trying to get my confidence, my self-confidence back. And so it's a bit of a struggle. And I think I've been doing a pretty good job. But she came back to me and said how much fun that she had had and how much she enjoyed I'll see you next time. back. And so it's, it's a bit of a struggle, but she, and I think I've been doing a pretty good job, but she came back to me and said how much fun that she had had and how much she enjoyed our time together.

And it's, it's kind of reinforcement, you know, that I need to hear that makes me feel better about where I am. Well, you know, two years ago when, when we were faced with this surgery and the uncertainty of uncertainty of how things were going to go as far as your recovery goes, you know, we said we were really good at saying there is more than one way to have fun in bed. Right. That's easier said than done. Yes. Yeah. But it's not, but it is true. Yeah. Getting your head to believe that is the hard part. Yeah.

Well, and it kind of reminds me of when we were comparing full swap to soft swap, because it really, it's a challenge for me to be a little bit more, to take my time and be a little bit more creative and be a little bit more deliberate with things. And so I'm finding that I'm spending more time rather than just jumping to the end. I like the fact that we are pretty much a soft swap couple right now because it takes the pressure off of me because I don't have to worry so much about you.

I know that you're just going to have fun and be able to relax a little bit more and feel all the anxiety about what you don't think you can do when it doesn't need to be part of the equation. So I think that has allowed me to have more fun. And I certainly had fun that night. Yes. So thank you guys for that. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. And the other snapshot I have is a bit similar, but it was a different couple.

we did not know them at all before we got no not at all and we went to dinner with them and we had the day that we had had when we went to dinner with them it was so nice to just sit down and relax and have a conversation with people who didn't know us and that we didn't know yeah you know it we had had a hectic day it was a hectic day and it was just so nice to sit down and fresh faces and a new story yeah and we didn't and and right away they made us feel at ease um you know that there was you know they they wanted to get to know us you You could tell there was a genuine affection. Anyway.

And can I just say they were really nice to look at? Yeah. You can say that. That was, ooh, both of them. My goodness. And I think as sexy as she is, I really do believe I talked more with her husband that week than I did with her. He and I just... You guys did really hit it off. We've connected. We've even connected on the phone a couple times afterwards. You talk on the phone now. Yeah. He's a friend now. He's my bro. He's a great guy.

And, of course, that means a lot when the guys can connect yeah it really does mean a lot and at any rate um you know we we went back to our again we went back to our terrace and we got our money's worth out of that penthouse we did we did some years we don't use it at all yeah and i think this couple you know every once in a while you run into a couple, it hasn't happened frequently or excuse me, recently, but there was just some chemistry that was there. And it was like, four way. Yeah. It was like when they were in the area, when she walked into the room, I knew she was there.

That's the kind of presence that they had. So anyway, to get to my snapshot, we were in the plunge pool and things were starting to get hot and heavy. And she stopped me in the middle. Well, it was the end, actually. I was thinking it was the middle. She stopped me, and she said, I'm going to stop you now. We're really deliberate, and we're really slow at this.

And as I'm retelling this story, if you're listening, you might think there is some frustration, and there might have been an ounce of frustration, but it actually just made me desire her more when she said that, because I was like, first of all, it takes a lot of self-confidence to do that, you know, to call a halt to things. So it really was, I thought it was really sexy, even though that happened. And, you know, we've talked about this once before. When you stop something like that, what it does is it just increases the desire for the next time that you get to see them.

So, hopefully, we'll get to see them again. Yep. Well, it's nice to have some stories to tell. Yeah, that's true. Some sexy stories. And it really- So hopefully we'll get to see them again. Yep. Well, it's nice to have some stories to tell. Yeah, that's true. Some sexy stories. It was a great week. I think, you know, there were a couple desire trips where I had had a good time, but I kind of felt like I was working. This year, I really kind of felt like we were on vacation. Yeah. It was really nice. And we didn't get separated much.

No, that was, I think that was one of the, well, maybe, and then maybe that's why I had such a good time because you and I were just really connected and we stayed connected as we talked to people and we were very like-minded on who who we wanted to spend our time with yeah you know sometimes and and this happens a lot um you you get down there and and you know you kind of get your attention gets divided as a couple like you know i i might be like focused on getting to know one couple and and you've got another couple that you've had your eye on.

And then we kind of have to compromise and shift things around. But that really didn't happen this time. Yeah. Well, I'm looking forward to the next few months. I mean, we're going to go to Costa Rica next month. Yes, we are. Then we're going to go back to Virginia to see some friends in March.

and we even might have we have some more friends coming in february yep and hopefully in april so we've got some things i think we have some lifestyle friends that are going to be in the area too here and there we do yeah yeah so we're looking forward to that yeah we don't live right on i-95 anymore but we still might get some friends coming I know. Well, when you live in the Sunshine State and you have a hot tub. That's true. Yeah, and a beach close by. But it could be a little warmer right now. Can I just be a whiner? I was thinking about asking for a refund. I know.

Like all of my northern friends, go ahead and hate me. Like I deserve it. I totally deserve it. But it is freaking chilly down here here i have to turn the heater on the hot tub and the message says the freeze freeze alert system was on and i'm like wait a minute that's not the word i wanted to see you know i mean there was frost outside actually one morning but the good thing about it is by by midday it's it's in the 60s, and it's where normal humans can survive again. I think, actually, the Mid-Atlantic and the Northeast might get a little bit of a snowstorm this weekend.

That's too bad for them. Oh, I know. Hope they have their snow shovels out. Anyway, before we go, we're going to have some big news about our community coming up.

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