Episode 105: Origin Stories- "J&B 2.0"

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This podcast contains explicit language and content and is for mature audiences only. Hey you teenagers out there, if you're under 18, this show is more for your parents. So now that you have that mental picture stuck in your head, put some music on and get back to doing your homework. We are a long-time married couple who's decided to chronicle our personal adventures and share our sex-pos positive discussions as we navigate our way through the swinging lifestyle. Care to join us?

hello everyone i'm mr jones and i'm mrs jones and we want to welcome you to episode 105 of the we got a thing podcast take two yeah we weren't drunk this time well slightly but we didn't have an outline right you decided to wing it which is weird you always complain about my outline i know but clearly we need one so this is going to be the first of our modified format occasionally modified format yeah of origin stories yes we came up with this idea last summer in jamaica Right. When we we had our planning retreat and I made you work every morning. Right, right. But I mean, I fed you mimosas.

I fed you breakfast first so you weren't grumpy. So the idea is that we have over 100 episodes of you and I blabbering about what we've learned and passing that along. Learned the hard way. Yeah. And so we want to evolve a little bit and now bring in some fresh perspectives stories. Yeah. So that you'll have more to that may resonate with you besides our origin story, which you probably heard nine years ago. Right.

I mean, a lot of you say, oh sound so normal you sound just like us but that doesn't mean your journey is going to be like our journey right you know we might have that commonality on the way we approach life and value systems and yada yada but but we all have this unique entry point into the lifestyle yeah so So before get to that conversation with barb and joe 2.0 tonight uh just a few updates uh first of all we've been mentioning that our desire trips for 2020 is this 2023 yeah yeah for 2023 are sold out our grand me chase trip in june and our November Pearl trip are sold out.

Our Grand Meechee's trip in June and our November Pearl trip are sold out. However, you can either get on the waiting list or if you are going to desire yourself at any point during the year, you can still use our website and promo codes to get a discount. Right.

And, you know, the waiting list sounds like, you like you know it might not happen but a lot of people have to cancel like life gets in the way and a lot of people like book super early just in case right it works out right um and then it doesn't so that there are openings that come up throughout the year but you got to kind of keep checking i don't i don't know how um like trustworthy the wait list is i'm not real sure what desires let's just say we don't have any control over how they use the wait list oh right we can help you get on it and then and we can't even see it right yeah regardless the the promo codes that are uh at least as of fe of 2023, promo code for Desire Pearl is DP2023, and for Grammiches, it's G-R-A-N-D-23.

So if you're going to book a trip this year, you can use those promo codes and go through our website at wegotathing.com and get your discount. Yeah, you might as well. Or get on the waiting list and hopefully travel with us. We have mentioned that our Washington DC event is sold out in May, but we are going to add eight or 10 slots to that here pretty soon, I think. We're going to push the restaurant to its capacity limits. Yeah. So we're going to be doing that within the next week. So those of you on the wait list there, hopefully we'll get to you.

You know, one thing, um, there's been some discussion about in our community is, you know, how big is too big when it comes to an event. And, and like in my experience, and I think everybody knows I like smaller events, but in my experience, you know, once a group gets up above, you know, I would say 30 couples, then there isn't really much difference between, you know, 40 or 50 couples and, you know, 50 or 60 or 70 couples. Right. Because at that point in time, you're not going to be able to meet everybody.

You might recognize people but it it just you kind of hit that point so you just kind of enjoy the little like subgroup you end up in for the weekend and then hope to meet everybody else at the next one yep it's just a different way to manage it yeah um congratulations kate because both the pcap events are sold out um may and uh portland and also october miami but i know she has wait lists and kate's actually going to be adding a couple of events so stay tuned for more information about what she adds this year yeah um and then speaking of all this travel i mean i mentioned we mentioned last month that we were transitioning from one social media platform to another for our We Gotta Think community because we had grossly outgrown the platform we were on.

And so we have done that. We are now on a new platform. There's much more breathing room over where we landed. Yes. And can I just take a second to say how proud I am of you? Sure. You can take three or four seconds to say that. It's not on the outline, but I'm going to cut it in. Let me just shut up and I'll let you talk. You and there was one community member in particular. And actually, you guys had a team that volunteered to be, or they were volunteered to be your testers, and they were a very important integral part of it as well.

But you and one of our community members really, like, did an amazing job of doing it quickly, but not too quickly. You know, you made the migration, You set up the community as best as it can be set up. I mean, it's going to be something that evolves. The technology is going to evolve. But you guys did a fantastic job as far as, like, developing procedures and communicating out what was happening and how it was going to happen and how people needed to think about their online behavior once they entered the new community. It was about as unbumpy as it could have been. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, I did have a lot of help. And some of us kind of do this for a living, something similar to it. So I knew how not to do it because I've been through a lot of these migrations myself and we tried to we tried to communicate we tried to be transparent we tried to make the instructions as simple as possible we tried to be pretty strategic about how and when we we came over and yeah thanks to everybody in the community who came over early and helped with that because that did make the transition much smoother. Um, I'm just kind of in awe of your ability to have that vision.

Like that's so not me. And maybe that's why our marriage works because we're very different. Um, I could not even begin to envision or map out what you did. Like I was just kind of along for the ride and and you would tell me and you're so passionate about it like it's cute cute I'd rather it be sexy well it was sexy I mean I because I think intelligence and and all of that is sexy so well thank you yeah I I love community I, I love bringing people together and I love being a part of it. And it shows. It's very rewarding. And so we're putting a lot of thought and effort into this community.

The feedback that we've gotten has been very positive. This platform is fairly new. So we do have some growing pains as they help to get their bugs fixed and their platform ironed out and features put out that are coming. But in the long run, this is going to be where we stay. But they're super organized and super transparent. And you're so impressed with that. I am. And we've made a bigger investment in this one. So I feel much better about this being stable and long term. Yeah. Because I don't want to do this again. No, we're getting too old for this stuff. Yeah.

So we'd love to have, you know, um, it's easy to join. We've tried to make it as easy as possible. Only three steps to get in. Um, it's, it's very, the community is very diversified, so it's not over as overwhelming as it was before. And all of our stuff is in one place. Like, we don't have that member's website anymore that you had to remember to go to. And anyway, it's going well. So if you've been waiting, this is the time to jump in. And anyway, where I was going with this was one of the things that's come about in our new community is we have a travel group.

And this travel group, anybody can join it that's in about in our new community is we have a we have a travel group and this travel group anybody can join it that's in the community and everybody puts their travel plans on a calendar and then you can scroll through all of the calendars and you can see who's going to desire when who's going on the bliss cruise who's going to a hotel takeover this weekend who is planning a little meet and greet in their area um if you're going to be on a business trip or if you're going to be traveling on vacation this is where i'm going to be this part of the world so it really is helping our community uh physically connect yeah instead of just virtually connect yeah i mean we have all these big events that you just said sold out and that's and that's fine and dandy but but i think the real connections are made at these smaller regional events that are being planned and and then just the organic ones that pop up just like what just a few weeks ago you and i decided to go to a winery and we ended up with nine people there with us because we just threw it out you know in our regional chat and um and then i think the very next weekend there was like a gathering of folks right before the super bowl they like pre-gamed the super bowl you know up near dc and you and i couldn't go to that one but that's the beauty of it like they people just throw it out there and and then all of a sudden you have somebody show up you haven't met before, and you make new friends.

Right, and we had one of our member couples that we've known virtually for a long time, and they live either in Vermont or New Hampshire or Rhode Island or one of those New Englands. Yeah, it's northern New England. Maine, I don't know. It's cold, let's just say that.

they they took about three weeks to go from there to florida because they kept bebopping around and stopping and zigzagging and and they had dinner with us and they were they were meeting a bunch of other couples on their way down yeah so you know they and i don't think we were their first stop either you know it's funny because like after they left our house they were going due west and it's like wait florida south and they're like but we're gonna have dinner with so-and-so here and then so-and-so there and then they went all the way back over to like charleston south carolina it was like um i remember family circus the comic strip it was like when billy when he would like you know have to go in a straight line to get something it would take him two hours to get there you're showing your age now well i'm sorry but it was funny like good for them yeah like what a way to like make travel more interesting so thank you all for um that have helped us in this transition um we're having february's been a big month we've had a lot of people join and we're ready for growth now i kind of feel like we were holding back on it because the the previous platform just couldn't wasn't working for us and now we're good yep so keeping up with the joneses before we get to our conversation with barb and joe um we we did have something cool happen yeah and you are very unique you've heard the saga of mrs jones and and the past couple of years of renovating our house.

Like it didn't bother you at all that we were under construction for 18 months. Well, it bothered me that it bothered you because we lived together in close proximity. So it was torture. Yes. Um, but it's done. And we had the opportunity to really make use of our new room that we had. We kicked the tires of our new bar. Yes, we did. Yeah. So we had an opportunity to host a local musical group into our house. Yes. They were doing a campaign to raise money. And one of the things that they were offering was a house concert.

And so I came busting upstairs one morning before you had your first cup of coffee. I know. I thought something had happened to somebody because you normally aren't brave enough to bust in that early. Yeah, and there's not a lot that gets me that excited. But we really like this group. We've been following them locally. And I said, honey, we can host a concert in our house.

And you said, said no no no we can do it i got it all figured out we can move the furniture around here they can be there we will hire a bartender like he had he had like planned this all out in his head in like 15 minutes right because i said i don't want you making drinks all night and missing it so we're gonna hire a bartender i know who i want hire, and it's going to be on this weekend, and I want to reach out to them and see if we can make this a possibility. And to my surprise, I said yes. The things you talked me into. I know. The lifestyle, house concerts.

But we only had one weekend that would work, and it just so happened that the band was available and the bartender was available. And then we put a plea out. Here's the whole point of this. We put a plea out to a lot of our friends who, some of them local and some of them not so local. And we said, hey, we'd love for you all to come to our house for this event. And we had like 25 people. Come listen to a local band in our house.

That you've never of right right and people are probably thinking yeah get in a plane or get on a train people even tune their guitar correctly like what are we getting into right anyway we we had a full house i think we had like 12 couples attend right and again this was something that just kind of spur of the moment popped up and and we were able to, yeah, it was 10 or 12 couples and a couple singles. And it was just a fabulous way to, what would you say, christen our new property, our new house. Especially the entertainment space that you designed. Yeah, I was.

And when the bartender came over, she walked into that room and she said, this room has a vibe. Yeah, she did say that. Yeah, she said, this is going to be fun. She also said I was hot. She did say that. She told me that you were hot, too. She told it to me, to my face. I know, that's pretty cool. I think she figured our group out pretty quickly. But our group behaved perfectly. Like we said, this is our town. Right. You know, we've got to be on our best behavior. Right. And people were. I mean, I think people had fun.

And maybe it was coincidence that most of them were staying in the same hotel. And who knows what they did when they went back there. Well, I hope they did something. Anyway, it was a lot of fun.

And now, just one of these things where I think, this doesn't happen very often that you're able to have a concert in your house and i mean it ended up turning into a whole weekend event like we had people stay with us and we did a dinner the night before and right some people went to a distillery on saturday afternoon right did brunch on sunday so let's great let's get to joe and barb oh okay okay this is really a um the idea here as as scripted or as we don't script our podcast but we do have an outline well we do now yeah we didn't last night well no with joe and barb and with our origin story couples we're not right we're just starting a conversation and we're seeing where it went seeing where it goes yeah and this was a really fun one yes and they answered all of our questions they were troopers yes um but very open and honest and funny as you're gonna hear well and we had heard their origin story before um we we went to an event with them last summer and the four of us were staying in the same hotel and we stayed up one night until like two o'clock in the morning just talking and they told us a story and we were dying like it was so funny and and um and so interesting knew that, um, I think that was exactly when you started coercing them into telling it to more people.

So I think we can stop talking about talking about it and just let you in on the conversation that we had with our friends, uh, Barb and Joe 2.0. And we hope you enjoy their story as much as we enjoy recording it welcome back to segment two our very first origin story episode with Joe and Barb 2.0 I don't think they understand they're setting the bar here no expectations no pressure, no expectations Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye. they understand they're setting the bar here. No expectations. No pressure, no expectations. You get to like start out and make it your own. Yeah.

So you'll be the gold standard. Oh my goodness. Well, we'll start off with the easy questions. Um, tell us about yourselves, introduce yourselves to the extent that you want and what are we going going to call you? So, yeah, call us at Joe and Barb 2.0. That's what most people know us by. Okay. I'm Joe, and Barb's going to introduce herself in a second here. But we've been married 32 years, been together 37 years.

And, yeah, we've been in a lifestyle coming up on three years now, think excellent i'm barb um 37 a year sounds like a very long time and these past five years have been the high not the highlight but an added bonus and an amazing journey yep and we can't wait to see the rest so the first question is obvious, I think What's with the 2.0? Well, Mr. Jones, before we get into that Can I take a second here?

You can, this is your show Oh, well, look, I just gotta say Oh, be careful with that I've been looking forward to this for a long time And I just gotta explain to listeners What I'm seeing Is that okay?

Okay, so we're in this Super cool Bunker style Recording studio No, okay what what i'm seeing is that okay okay so we're in this like super cool bunker style recording studio mr jones is sitting across from us at this really sophisticated um contraption that captures all this stuff um to my right is a smoking redhead um stand sitting across from me is a smoldering blonde the studio is full of hot people but anyway yeah so I mean I think and I've heard the story by by so many of our friends that we've met in the lifestyle.

And, you know, everyone has similar stories about how they decided to embark in this particular activity. And for us, it was, you know, we were both in our, you know, young to mid-50s. And we thought that, you know, we just wanted to see what we could do to kind of extend our intimacy and, you know, try to add something to our, you know, our togetherness. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye.

to see what we could do to kind of extend our, um, intimacy and, you know, try to add something to our, you know, our togetherness because we, we always had an incredible sex life or, you know, for the entire 37 years of being together, we had what I always considered incredible sex life, which, you know, a lot of our friends, unfortunately now don't have that, or they complain about it, or they, you know, they, they have all kinds of issues why they don't have, you know, the type of sexual activity with their spouses or their whatever. But we've always had a great one.

So this just seemed to be a logical kind of extension of what we were doing. And, you know, it was right around COVID when we kind of started looking into this.

And I, and at that time, saying it was um it said something like everybody has two lives and you don't start living the second one until you realize you only have one and and you know that kind of like resonated with us and i said well that's 2.0 for us got it that's really cool did he get all that right he did he we um like he said we always experimented we always had fun and it was just looking for the next step and um we always trusted each other to try those things knowing that we were strong in our bond together and um we took some chances went to some clubs and discovered a whole new world out there that we didn't know existed.

And now we can't go back. So 50s, we got that part. So a lot has happened to us all by the time we get to that age. So tell us a little bit about when you first, well, like whose idea was it? Where did the lifestyle idea come from? So we were watching porn one day. You know what? All good stories start. All good stories start with porn. And this dude was getting a double blow job, and we were watching it, and she whispers to me and says, would you ever want to have that? And I was like, I don't know how to answer this. Trick question.

Am best sultry sexy voice we need you to reenact what you asked you um gosh that's hot would you ever want to have that happen to you well okay that's pretty close but you didn't say gosh that's hot i thought i was being set up if If I said, yeah, I'd love to have that. You were like, if I answer yes, she's going to be mad if I answer no. And I answer no, I'm leaving stuff on the table. So that was one of those times when your head starts to smoke starts coming out of your ears because you don't know. And the other head is also smelling. So I answered, I didn't say yes or no.

I said, well, what guy wouldn't? Yeah, that's what he said. He's like, what guy wouldn guy wouldn't and i said i would love to give that to you i would love to experience that with you and then that was it and then you went on your journey to find out how right so we didn't know anything about the lifestyle we didn't know any of this existed in podcasts nothing so of course you know i frequented nevada a lot in my years so i knew that there was legal brothels out there. So I was like, if any place we can get this done, we can get it done in Nevada.

So I started Googling, and one thing led to another, and we ended up booking a trip to go out there and hired one of those girls to give us the double blowjob. The experience, yes. Okay, back up a minute, because I think I always wondered how you did that so obviously everyone starts with google but what is that thought process like what like how do you how do you do that i mean how does that business work i guess when you went through it what was the process you mean like the yeah once you found the place and you read about it what do you email them do you call them say, what do I want to do?

They'll show you a schedule of girls, like what days they'll be there. So when you're going to be out there, you'll know what girls are at the ranch that day or that week. Okay. And our big decision was I didn't want like a 20-year-old. I didn't want somebody who could bit of my daughter.

And so that was a big decision, right, like getting to know them all all so we found someone we thought was relatively in our age range and then um email them text them saying we're going to be in town that week and set up a date so this was all done virtually okay and then you make your selection yes and then you swipe your credit card and i mean yeah so we didn't have to go in and get the lineup oh we already had a date yeah so you can do a lineup if you just show up cold right they just like in the old days right they bring all the girls yeah you just i don't want that one but do they ask you like what what is it you're looking for you specifically said well i want i if you'll just go to this this porn film right here right go to marker 32 minutes.

This is what we're watching. Right. So you can set all that up ahead of time, all going back and forth on email. So you get there, and this thing is an hour outside of Vegas, so we're nervous as all get out. I took my cell phone. I left mine home. And I left it in the hotel. So she's like, what happens if we break down in the desert? So I bought a burner phone. We did. Credit cards were left in the hotel. Thank you. I left it in the hotel. So she's like, what happens if we break down in the desert? So I bought a burner phone. We did. Credit cards were left at the hotel.

Credit cards were left at the hotel. Everything was kind of left closed. I was like, I want no identity. Like, if I have a heart attack in this place, I'm going to be buried in a pauper's field. Because no one will know who the hell I am. Okay, stop. Now I've got to ask about a burner phone. I mean, I hear about this.

Do you just go into 7-Eeleven and grab one off the shelf yeah you do yeah okay you do you go in you buy it uh no one asks any questions and you just sign it up and boom you got a phone number okay and as soon as the money runs out the phone number dies okay but you have to remember other people's phone numbers to use the burner phone you do and that is a major mistake i an hour out there you know we're very nervous we park our car we go into the front door and they have a name madam he says you know, can I help you? And we're like, we have a date with Desiree, I think.

I don't know who her name was. Of course it was. And he's like, fine, just have a seat. We'll go get her. So they go get her. And the first thing they want you to do is go into the bar and have a drink with Desiree so you can get to know her.

So we have have we're in there for like maybe an hour and um and then we get the tour of the facility chat and then they give us a tour of the facility and have different rooms and spas and all that so does desiree go on a tour with you yeah okay oh she takes you on the tour okay got it got it yeah so in the back of my mind the entire time i'm like this just it feels a little too clinical for me but hey i'm gonna get a double blow job Can I ask you a question first, though? Like, did Desiree present in person the way she did? Feels a little too clinical for me.

But, hey, I'm going to get a double blowjob. Can I ask you a question first, though? Like, did Desiree present in person the way she did on her, like, profile on the website? Were you surprised, disappointed? That's a good question. Yeah. No. Because, can I answer that? Yeah, go ahead. On the website, you see pictures where, of course, she's had photo shoots and she looks amazing.

And when you see her in person, she was actually late actually late right because she was busy with some family drama so she had like no makeup on it was this i was late i apologize so no it was not what you expected not a good first impression yeah not a good yeah no so um after the tour they take you back to their room and this is where they live they now they live there for two weeks since they're not allowed to leave oh my gosh yeah so if you're going to work there you got to live here two weeks since everything you need is there to even have a a gynecological nurse that comes by and checks everybody out and all that kind of stuff so you don't have to leave the place uh this is their actual rooms kind of like a dormitory and the first thing they do is negotiate the price so i kind of read up on this obviously i've done a lot of googling and figured out and read blogs and stuff so what i did is i took the amount of money that i wanted to spend in my pocket and left everything else oh nice move in the car yeah no credit we brought nothing no credit they have an atm machine there um so what they do is they bring into the room she says okay now tell me what you want and you have to be explicit as possible because they want to know like right don't like it and you were you had a whole story planned out you had like a whole scene i want you to do a and then touch her here and do b and then this happens yeah i kind of had this thing scripted out so i and then and then they're listening so the the madam is listening to the negotiations because they get a cut so you explain in detail everything you want to do and then um she gives you a price and i was like no way no way i i don't i didn't bring that kind of money so she's like well for couples it's it's a minimum of three thousand i'm like oh my goodness i said well i'm so sorry i completely misread this whole thing um we won't take up any more time she goes no whoa whoa um well how much do you have what is it going to take to get you in this car today exactly so i went for the floor mats and extra wax no i said look i have 1100 bucks in my pocket and i you know out of good faith i reached in i grabbed it and i said this is all my money and I sat it on the dresser and she's like okay yeah we can do this okay wow and that was our first entry into anything like stylish I guess so was she like okay with the whole did it actually play out the way in your mind that you had it scripted or did it kind of veer off course at all it did but then we weren't expecting the clinical is that a good word clinical side of it because they're very safety oriented so it's like you know um inspect your body to make sure there's nothing going on and double con did you do a double condom yeah and so that part takes away from the i guess the intimacy of it right the right you know spontaneity and they don't kiss so a lot of that was yeah so there's no kissing at all uh on the mouth and you know i forgot right so they do a complete physical exam before on you yeah i'm like i mean am i at the doctor's where am I that's kind of a little bit of a buzzkill but they are heavily regulated you mean a boner killer they're very regulated they're heavily regulated by the state department of health so all that's in there but yeah it just felt so clinical it felt very transactional yeah you know not like anything that's been happening since where we are today yes yes so did you feel like you uh i mean you you got what you paid for right yeah we did get what we paid for yeah we did and so that was in 2015 we'd gone back two more times uh-huh um and we were kind of making a summer trip out of it.

So we'd like, you know, this summer we did this, then we'll go back. Right, we're going to the ranch again. Yeah, we're going to the ranch, right, right. So year three, she's like, hey, what about me, Barb? So what happened? What happened? We were watching a show called Gigolos on Showtime.

And they have the, it's called Cowboys for Angels, which is an organization that runs many cities and they have them in vegas where you can pick a guy to be an escort which doesn't promise you anything after your date but if something happens it happens so we set up and date with the gigolo and um that was a lot different they don't have a lot of rules and regulations like the ladies did.

They can kiss and we, uh, picked a guy and met him at one of the show, after his show, he was in a show and, um, spent the evening with him and that really blew our minds because he was much more involved than the girls were. Don't you agree? Much more personal. Yeah, much more personal. He got paid too. Yeah. So that was our first MFM. Um, but it was with a paid guy yeah right um still somewhat transactional but the guy was very a lot more these women at these brothels are um you know they're turning a buck yeah and they do their best to be, you know, customer service oriented.

But, um, it's, you know, they can only go so far. It's their turn and they're turning this over all the time. So, so did you feel like the guy, the gigolo was having more fun? Yeah. He seemed really involved for a good, the whole time we're together. You don't, I don't feel like he was being paid. Right. Like he just had a really good time. He shared his personal life with us and he spent a lot of time with us and it was a great night, but you weren't comfortable with it. I don't know.

feel like he was being paid right like he just had a really good time he shared his personal life with us and he spent a lot of time with us and it was a great night but you weren't comfortable with it after it ended yeah i was i mean that i it it totally got in my head because uh this guy now he was a porn star too and he is now too i found this website oh so you know i had never really been in a situation where another guy was next to me naked that wasn't in the shower. Okay. So this is the first time that kind of happened.

And, you know, now I'm looking over there and he's laying the stones and I'm like, oh my God, look at that guy. And I think afterwards I felt this, just this sense of, you know, self-respect that had gone really in the dumps.

And I felt really know inadequate because this guy was a stallion i mean i'm telling you he's a stallion and i just felt like oh my god this is just and and so yeah i got my head the next day and i was like she goes what's wrong i was like oh no it's all good it's all good but i i thought i had to tell her i was like yeah but you were good it was a good day or two when you were over it. So I want to come back to in your head in a minute. But Barb, as you were talking about the ranch, this is what my wife would do at some point. I'm wondering if you did this too.

And that is to try to ask them or prompt them, are they going to go to college?

And what kind of career are you looking for for did you try to save them like my wife does after we had our escapades and played we would lay around and yes i learned all about their lives and what they were doing did you believe it because my wife because my wife believes all that stuff i said of course she's going to law school that's what you wanted to hear their dreams and what they're trying to save money for and we're like all of a sudden at the end i'm ready to finance their life for that i know that's what i wanted to do i wanted to put this girl she was in nursing school honey not law school and i wanted to help her yes for you she was in we had one girl who was opening up a gymnastics remember she was teaching little children how to do gymnastics she was opening up a gym that's a good one i was ready to pay for the gym okay whatever makes you feel better late okay So I want to go back to in your head.

So, um, and I had a similar experience where I think the first time and I, and I called it jealousy. I'm not sure if that's what you experienced, but it was confusing because I hadn't felt it before. So I didn't know what it was. And then I was logically, I was saying, well, I enjoyed it. I mean, it was hot, but you know, there's something that's like gnawing on inside of me. So how did you kind of process that and work through that piece? So, um, it's, it's, that's a great question because I remember exactly how this kind of unpacked itself. We spent the day together.

I think we even drove up to Mount Charleston. Yes.

Uh, after we did this and I was just in a funk all day and we go to mount charleston we're hanging around and mount charleston is like the biggest peak outside of vegas it's snow covered and all that um we come home after even dinner and we get in the hot tub and i felt this incredible sense of like desire for barb i was like like i just wanted to just devour her and do everything i could for her so far this sounds like a win-win for you it did okay and and i complaining and i think and i think what happened is i came to the realization that other men found her attractive other men wanted to have sex with her um i mean this guy was not faking by any means uh so i was like and i just felt like you're upset i'm gonna i should stop you're upset the way he came on me yeah yeah so you can't fake that yeah you were like he didn't ask permission yes i'm like uh why he's here so yeah so he he i i finished on on barb But this guy's still going.

I mean, he's a, he's like a hydraulic pumping machine. All right. So he, he gets to get ready to finish and I'm thinking he's going to be like, Hey, bro, is it cool if I, or not, he just gets up and I'm like, wait a minute.

That really got in your crawl that he didn't ask if he could finish on me that's my territory here yeah and you didn't even have the you know the courtesy that i kind of ask hey that's where i'm gonna land is all right he did he's like he didn't ask me so so i felt but but i got through all of that that day just by thinking through it and i was like you know i just felt this overwhelming sense of you know connection with bar because you know I watched another man had this same desire for her but she's mine she's with me you know we're together and and I think that's what made it hot you know now all of a sudden whatever that jealousy or insecurity was it's kind of gone and I was like man I'm trying to hook this up again okay so then that takes us to the next step how did you get from well the following from paid sex porn stars to the lifestyle this is your story the following year we're out in vegas again and we're going to get a female escort and we have it all set up and he senses he's like you're just not into it and i said i just want someone to be with us because they want be with us not because we're choosing them to pay them right to be there and so we were on the fence about following through with it and we turned the news on and there was a story about um a local club in vegas that was having some trouble with neighbors trying to shut them down and it was a sex club and so of course i jumped right on and google it I'm like, it's five minutes from our house.

We're going. We're going to go. We're going to go see what the sex comes like. So we canceled the escort, the female escort, and that's how we learned about Cassidy and podcasts. And we didn't know any of this existed. We're like, there's a whole world out there of people who want to live the same life that we're interested in. That's how you found out about it. You mean you went to the club and you talked to people? Yes. Oh, okay. Yes, we went to the club. And we saw advertisements. We saw advertisements for Cassidy. We were like, hey, there's a banner that says Cassidy. Who the hell is that?

I'm sorry.

I'm and then COVID hit and shut the world down so we lived on podcasts and learning and then joined WGT besides the little jealousy I mean did you struggle Barb with anything I mean how were you raised what was your belief system um did you struggle with you know afterwards processing any of this what's funny is I struggled probably more before we tried it I think a more natural reaction to someone on a street would be more threatening to me than someone who's in the lifestyle because we're all doing it does that make sense I don't know I think it does because you know if you're a couple meeting a couple then you know you know that couple's a couple yeah i know everybody's in this for their same kind of right lifestyle reasons but yeah i was always jealous probably in our early marriage life but not when we did it as a couple i'd be more jealous if you were out on your own searching for something or out with the guys okay so this is covid this is about time that you go to the club before COVID it was like two weeks before yeah okay so then when did you actually how did you actually meet how well have you met a couple and interacted with them in the lifestyle and how how did that when did that happen and how did that happen because everything like closed down during COVID and we all had to decide how comfortable we were with meeting other people.

So how did that work for you guys? We joined Cassidy and we only kept Vegas as our home. And we met a couple and they just became great friends. And that was their first couple.

We just went to dinner and they live in Vegas in vegas oh okay and so we just really hung out with them for a few months yeah until everything else opened up yeah so so then you're learning at this point in time that you're finding your like finding your tribe is a term that a lot of people use um and, and you're, and again, I'm trying to get, you're going from sex workers to, you know, going to a club and then COVID and then meeting friends. But how, how did you start to, or when did you start to discover that? Like, like there are people out there like us.

Well, I'd say after COVID, when we found your podcast and we would listen and then we would we joined in october of 20 correct right and then we would learn there's so many people out there and then the zooms and the talking and it's like this whole world opened up that everybody i didn't know about yeah so halloween night 2020 was our first that was our first zoom oh i was dressed as a boy scout she dressed as a Boy Scout. She was dressed as a Boy Scout. Now she was minus a few articles of the uniform. Sacrilege, actually. But you got your double blowjob badge.

Yeah, she did have her mare badge sash on. I think I was about it. I had my mare badge sash on. Yeah, I think I was about it. Yeah.

So then, okay, where are you now what do you got what what is your thing um what is our thing i you know i don't know we're still finding our thing i think um you know i was raised um uh devout catholic you know i was in a very strict household i wasn't allowed to date in high school um couldn't go to my proms you know because my mother thought you know if i that would lead the girls which would lead to sex which would lead to unwanted pregnancies and all this kind of stuff right right yeah so i wasn't uh i wasn't really allowed to do any of that in fact barb is the only woman i've ever had sex with before the lifestyle oh okay so you know so when i tried god we were we dated we dated five years before we got married.

I tried. Okay, whoa. He stuck to his guns. Wait. So you're really serious? No, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, so you dated for five years, but you didn't have sex until you got married. Correct. How old were you guys when you met? Ish. 18? Yeah, I was 20. 18 and 20. Okay. So Barb, what in your mind, what in Joe's mind constituted as sex? Like what did you do instead of like what did he say sex was and what were you able to convince him to do in the meantime? Well, intercourse was purely for you because we did everything else. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I had to give the church something, right?

So I figured i figured all right if i hold back on full-blown intercourse i'm kind of keeping my end of the bargain i made this deal right uh we'll do everything else but um as long as we don't have you know intercourse then i'm not having sex and i'm being true to what the church wants me to do and i tried to convey oh i tried to sway you yeah so yeah so and i was it was just so deep-seated in me that i was like no i'm not you know i'm stubborn i'm not going to give in on this we're going to wait to our wedding night to actually have a wedding intercourse so and we did but you know actually we didn't because here we go.

I had to make sure it fit. Yeah. So, uh, I tend to worry about things. I'm an engineer. I got to make sure shit fits and, you know, angles work and all that stuff. It's just, um, I was like, what happens if we get to our wedding night and like, there's, there's something that can't be wrong with... And you missed that angle. You could have played that angle from five years before and he would have totally did it. That's his love language. Okay, sorry, Joe. No, no. So I'm thinking this through.

I'm like, man, I don't want our wedding night to be a complete disaster if somehow I'll know the height of her shins and the height of my thighs i don't know because we've never done any of this right so i convinced her we we bought we got a hotel room for the day and and she's like well we're gonna fool around i was like yeah but this time i'm thinking i'm gonna get it it's for science though it's not really for pleasure it was truly for science i said this time i gotta stick it in to make sure it all fits. Stick it in. That's so romantic. Stick it in. I mean, this is all true.

I know, it's all true. You can't make this up. No, it's all true. I can show you the hotel where we did it. And if you were going to make up a story, it wouldn't be this one. Right. No, it wouldn't be this story. Yeah, so we did that, and luckily it all But I mean, okay Mr. Engineer Was there measurements involved? No, but was it a quickie? In and out? Was that it? Okay, it worked Yeah, so from my recollection Now this was like 33 years ago From my recoll. Slittering? We held it there for a few seconds and out, and that was it. There was no finishing. There was none of that.

Again, because anything further in my mind would have constituted a breach. So you didn't finish because you were so scared? Oh, no. I finished outside. I was going to say. Oh, we always finish, but not inside. Because my thought as I'm imagining this is that as soon as it was in and out, you'd be like, okay. Well, I did think I was like, oh, I'm going to get this out of here. I don't want to overstate your welcome. Yeah. Yeah. So I could go back to my checklist and say, yup, if it's.

I'm like, leave don't leave i know so when you were going i had my legs wrapped around him so tight like ankles locked don't leave so when you're going through your like pre-marital counseling you have you're able to check that box with the priest right that fit and you know well you did i i didn't it's funny you should say that because we were part of, what they call it, pre-Canaan or something in the Catholic Church, and we had to go through all this stuff. And one of the questions that priest asked you was, have you had premarital sex with each other? Right. And I could honestly answer no.

And I could say no, because it wasn't with you. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm sorry, it's true. So, I take that to mean that you're defining sex like an orgasm inside of her. Yeah. I mean, look, it's getting wishy-washy. I mean, the whole thing is getting squishy. There's a lot of gray areas. There is. There is. But in my mind, I thought I was being true to this stubborn way of thinking, and that's what I did. Okay.

And when you got into this lifestyle and started enjoying yourselves, did you ever think, gosh, I i wish we would have done this sooner or do you think it was the right time for for you all yeah i think um we we really we have said a couple times like gee i wish we would have started this a while earlier but then we go back to this thinking that says you know we don't think that and again it's it's kind of a sliding scale of maybe five or six years, but there is a maturity we feel like we've reached that allows us to do what we're doing with impunity, with how we feel about it.

And I don't think that we would have been in that same headspace earlier in our marriage. Maybe five years. Yeah. We have like, yeah. Maybe a few years earlier, but not more than that. Yeah, I think we were in the same place. Yeah, that's what we... And like you said, as far as you were concerned, you were having the best sex between the two of you. So it's not like you were missing out. Right. No, we really were. Yeah, we weren't like trying to find something new to ignite anything. It just was a progression of what we were already doing.

So Joe, for these these ladies out there that you might meet in the future do you still have the same requirements for making sure things fit before you well i i can send them a little model it's a tried home kit it's like the clone willy no you know we um in preparation in preparation for our very first lifestyle date you know because we were nervous as heck and we were like laying in bed one night and we were thinking like gosh we're gonna have this date with our friends in las vegas and we're like you know um i'm thinking kissing's a big deal in all of this because you know every podcast every podcast that I've ever listened to, especially when you talk about it, you know, the, the woman always describes kind of the play date a little bit and always says something like, well, he was a good kisser or she was a good kisser.

And I, so I know that was a big deal. And I was like, we got to practice our kissing because we haven't, you know, you know, let's face it, you're in marriage and you're getting through kids. A lot of times it's have sex. That's right. Roll over, go back to bed. We didn't kiss at all, Dorn, and a whole time. Yeah, like we haven't really been making out a whole lot when we have sex. You know, we would every once in a while, but not routinely. So I was like, okay, so in preparation for our first date coming up, tonight we're just going to lay and we're just going to make out. That's it.

And just keep practicing and do it. So that's what we did. Yeah, that's what we did. So I think you all had told us a story about your first trip to Desire. You're on the plane. You're on your way to Desire. You know what's going to happen, like what's going through your head. Yeah. So, I mean, I've got it pretty much convinced in my mind. I'm not taking my pants off. Right. No matter what. It's optional. Yeah. Okay, now why? I don't know. I don't know. Is it a modesty thing? I don't know what it is. I think it's part of your strict Catholic upbringing. Yeah.

It's right back to the Catholic upbringing. It is. It's like, there's no way I'm going to feel comfortable doing this, even if everyone else is doing it. It's not for me. So, this whole time, I'm thinking that. And, you know, and I'm like, and we've been with, um, talking to all kinds of friends and they would always say, Oh, but it's okay. Don't worry about it. No one cares. Just do it. And no matter how many times they try to really make me feel at ease, I was like, no, it ain't going to happen. So we get the desire. We, we look, we check in and, you know, I start smelling that smell. Yeah.

They know what they they're doing so they start pumping you up all that stuff first the pheromone juice yeah yeah um so now we went by ourselves for the first time so we didn't know anybody um we knew no one uh we get in our room and you know we're kind of unpacking and i'm kind of sitting on the balcony looking out over the pool and i'm just watching people walking around and i'm watching everybody walk around and none of the guys had pants on and i'm like all right i don't care but that's what they want to do so we're there maybe another hour and it's just i could just feel my blood pressure just draining down out of me.

Yes. And I felt so relaxed. I was like, you know what? The hell with this. I took my pants off and I sat in the chair on the balcony with my legs propped up on the railing. And for me, that was like a huge hurdle that I had overcome that I could sit naked on this balcony and people were walking by and they could look in if they wanted or whatever. And I didn't give a damn. And I have pictures to prove it.

You oh really i do yeah so anyway so yeah so that's what it was and it's it's really you know and i hear people talk about desire all the time i'm like yeah yeah that's that's just them talking about you know the sales pitch whatever it truly is true it's it's a place where you start to really lose any inhibition you might have because of the stress level and just how nice and everything is and just how well you feel right and you know it's interesting and i forgive me if i embarrass you but like joe is a very joe is a very fit guy and you were struggling and i think so many people that are anticipating their first trip to desire are are struggling thinking they're they're going to struggle because of body image and and that's what it takes to be comfortable to take your clothes off but that's not it we all struggle no matter how old we are how fit we are or you know whatever shape or or anything it it's it's just your head we all have some insecurity up here you know so besides the jealousy you know have what other struggles have you encountered either as individuals or as a couple since you've been exploring the lifestyle i mean i think for me personally um i'm having a i'm a problem with social media aspect of this.

I had zero social media footprint, you know, I didn't have Instagram and Facebook. I, I didn't know what a like was. I just didn't care. And now that you're on one of these sites where, you know, you're posting and people are responding to it, it's a, it's an environment that I am not used to. And, you know, I've always kind of compared what I was doing based on what I had done previously, but now it appears what I'm doing is compared to a, an environment of people. Well, it's different.

I mean, and people are very different virtually than they are in person many times, not all the time, but many times. um so it, it's hard to figure out what kind of persona you feel like you need to put forth to others. Right. Right. And, you know, and I don't post a whole lot, but you know, I feel like when I post, I feel like I'm posting only to make sure that the community knows I'm out there. I'm still here. Yeah. Not, not so much to forward anything that, that I feel like I want to get out there. It's just that I want to be contributory and I want to participate. But that's just me.

So what about you, Barb? What struggles? I agree with the social media part. I can send you back to being a 14-year-old girl, getting likes. It's hard to to to separate that judgment of physicality and you know you don't want to compare yourself but it's hard not to compare yourself and yep so but then i have that older brain that can rationalize that and i gotta remember to pull that into play right that i don't let you know the younger so you were okay with taking your clothes off and all of that stuff uh whatire, I did the topless.

I didn't take the bottoms off, which most women there did, which was comfortable. Desire was fabulous. It was the best thing ever. You didn't get on your computer all week. There was no work. We could just totally relax with as a couple, even though we didn't know other people or even if we met somebody to hook up with, it was just us two relaxing in that environment, free of everything. And I think that's, I think everybody has experienced that too, not go with a mission to meet other people, to hook up, just go and have that freedom physically, emotionally.

I think we lose perspective, right?

Like, you know, now that you're like in the lifestyle it we feel like we're not accomplishing anything unless we hook up with other people but think about the environment and where you were five years ago exactly could you see us we would not have imagined ourselves there exactly five years ago exactly the goal is not who we get with it's how we are interacting together and right and just that that mindset that you know where you have the more more of the freedom yeah i guess joe it's come to our attention that um you've got um some hidden talents that not many people get to see mrs jones you could describe if you look at joe he's like he should be on like a wheaties box he's like mr wholesome american american guy very respectful you know engineer brain like you've been talking about um long-term marriage minds his manners pretty boring right i mean um no but everyone not boring but every once in a while joe i think has some sort of alternative persona There's definitely an alter ego hiding in there somewhere.

So you don't have to, I'm not going to ask you to go into character now. And if you don't, I'll explain what this is. But where does that come from? Like, you have literally stopped people in their tracks because of this talent that you have.

And, I mean it's rapping that's what it is and not only is it um not only is it out of the blue but it's very creative because you're very thoughtful with what you do like explain like the first time that that happened and what what possessed you and how did people respond to that well um so thank you there might have been a middle figure with that thank you somewhere in there uh thank you mr jones um you know um you're right i i do consider myself pretty reserved person you know i'm i'm not going to be the first one to speak up um i'm usually not the one that try to go rally to troops uh if someone else is willing to do it I'll see you next time.

person you know i'm i'm not going to be the first one to speak up um i'm usually not the one that try to go rally to troops uh if someone else is willing to do it um but you know i i do like to make impressions if i can um because i think that's what makes life interesting and fun and this rapping thing i you know the way it came about is you know i can't play a lick of music i can't sing i can't do any of that stuff but one day i was thinking to myself i was like if i could do one thing that um that could be considered you know entertainment what what could it be i was like hey i bet you i could learn how to rap because you don't need don't we all don't we all sit around and you don't need to carry a tune you don't need to work an instrument you don't need to do any of that stuff right so i i would i have long drives so i would stick one in and i just listen to it until i could get it down and then learn one learn one but bart never knew i was doing this right this was going on for years she had no idea i was doing it and no one knew i i like did this for nobody but myself this was like driving by myself in my car or in the shower that was it it.

So lo and behold, the lifestyle comes about. I'm going to blame this on the lifestyle. We'll take it. I think the lifestyle, and particularly your community, the We Gotta Think community, I think what it does is it lets people understand that what they feel is important or what they think they want to do or how they want to express themselves, it's okay. And there's not going to be any hang-ups about it.

And I think, you know, because that comes through loud and clear in everything that you guys talk about and everything that we interact with all the members, I started to feel like a comfort level building up in me and said you know one day i'm gonna be able to rap because when i'm rapping in the car and no one's listening i'm pretty proud of myself and i was like one day uh and i think it's part of it's getting naked part of it's you know talking to people about your penis size, part of it's hearing the women talk about their, you know, places on their body that they're not happy with.

It's all of that. All kind of coalesces into a part where it says, you know what? Damn it. If I'm proud of rapping, somebody in We Gotta Thing is probably going to want to hear it. Yeah.

And that was the very first time I ever did it in public was in front of yeah we got a thing friends yeah first time ever and it was completely spontaneous yeah you just hit the button so it was so for me to rap in front of people was synonymous with me taking my pants off with desire yeah yeah it just the comfort level with who i was with right allowed me to do that no one in the vanilla world has heard these raps and may never. So while he's rapping and who knows, well, what was it like, Barb? Because like you said, you didn't know that he had this thing.

Well, I heard it a little bit because you would start to do it in the car when you had long drives, right? Yeah, I'd have to practice like the end of this. He'd have to practice and do things.

And I'm like, are you ever going to do this in person he's like no no no and i'm like you're awesome at it you should try so we were on a boat in the middle of the ozarks and you just were controlling the playlist and you hit it i'm like oh my god he's gonna do it he just started rapping everybody's like what well it wasn't just the rap you you like had you the shades and the bling and everything right he took in a whole new persona yeah so that helps you know and you can you know be in a costume you can be somebody else yeah so you get the shades on you get a little bling going yeah well i love it because people are seeing the side of him i see but they don't see yeah you know yeah so okay there was a video and um yeah the video got sent to me it was unbeknownst to you i guess and like i just remember the first time i watched it i i was just like she was confused i was confused that that is actually the perfect word and then i was like oh my god instantly play it again and then i was just dying like i couldn't believe it was my friend joe like that was not because i don't think you have it in you but because I was just dying.

Like, I couldn't believe it was my friend Joe. That was a summer wrap. Not because I don't think you have it in you, but because it was just... I don't have it in me. Yes, you do. Well, there's something in there, babe. Yes, you do. Because then you made personal wraps. You changed words. It was amazing. It was just amazing to watch you. You know what was amazing? You completely let go. Yeah.

And I know know you and you and i are kind of alike in certain ways where we were really driven and we have to be perfectionists and and always thinking of like how we can improve things right and you were just relaxed and it was just it was just a beautiful thing to watch and it was also hysterical yeah and are pretty good. I mean, I do attribute our growth in the lifestyle for allowing me to do that because outside of the lifestyle, life is pretty regimented, and you're expected to behave a certain way and all of this. And when you're in a lifestyle, it's be yourself.

Do what makes you happy. So then after you wrapped the first time and you got the response that you got, now where's your head at this point? At that point in time, what were you thinking? Because you did it. And how did people respond? We know how Barb responded and Mrs. Jones responded.

But how did people respond and how did that make you feel it made me feel great i you know i mean we've talked about this on the men's chat it's hard to get um praise or take praise right it's kind of hard when people tell you you're doing a good job and right you want to like just brush it off oh it's nothing but you know when people were coming up to me and and i thought it was kind of nothing but when people told me no, no, that was great, I mean, that was really amazing, it did really make me feel good.

And I felt like for a minute that maybe I did have a slither of talent that people would want to watch or listen to, which makes you feel good if you can share that. So if you have something you can share, and let's face it, lifestyle all about sharing right um then it makes you feel good that you can share things with other people and they actually value that right so as we uh um start to to wrap up like what the reason that we're doing these origin stories is because for a hundred and something episodes people have been listening listening to us.

Everybody knows our story and it's, it's good to have real people on real couples and tell their stories so that others out there can hear just any advice that you would have for people who are either thinking about doing this or just now getting into us or into this and trying to find their way. Talk, and then talk again.

Yeah talk again yeah definitely i mean you hear that communication it's the key um and we did do that we we communicate we are talkers if we're in bed watching porn we're talking about what we're seeing or if we're at dinner we're talking about what we watched last night and you have to know how each other feels and if you can't share that with your partner you share that with? I mean, that's the person you're supposed to be able to tell everything to.

Yeah, one day, you know, I'm hoping I get the chance to explain our situation and lifestyle with our closest vanilla, friends, family, whatever. Hopefully it's many years. Um, but I'm hoping that I can explain it to them in a way that they'll get it because my fear is that people, no matter what you tell them, no matter how much you tell them, it, you know, it's great for us and we figured it out and this and that they just won't get it. Um, so we're hoping that one day we'll be able to tell them that, uh, you know, we did this and this is why we did it and this is what we got out of it. Yeah.

You know, the one thing I would tell Joe point, Joe 1.0 is, uh, Thank you. tell them that, uh, you know, we did this and this is why we did it. And this is what we got out of it. Yeah. You know, the one thing I would tell Joe point, Joe 1.0 is, uh, let, let just live in the moment, you know, Joe, this Joe 1.0, you know, he, he likes to think of the past. He likes to think of the future and you really can't do that. You know, the past is gone. The future isn't here yet. And you got to live in today.

You know, Einstein would say there is no past there's no future it's only the here and the now so that that's what i would try to tell people is just forget about what happened forget about what you're worried about just worry about what's happening right now and and take the chance you know yeah the past is gone you can't change it so how would you how would you describe your relationship now um as joe and barb 2.0 how how is it different than maybe it was a few years ago we talk so much it's communications yeah and you know arguing is talking arguing yeah we never yeah we never argued we never argued hardly before that i mean i'm say we argue all the time, but we have more heated debates now at times.

Yeah, that was one thing, you know, people thought, and we did, but they're like, oh, they got the perfect marriage, you know, they never argue, we never see them fight. And we didn't, we didn't fight, you know, we didn't have these arguments. And, but I think we were missing something when that didn't happen, you know, things just kind of slid up. Or we were putting stuff under, you know, we were hiding. Packing it away, hoping it would go away.

And now we do, I wouldn't call it arguing, but we have a lot of more spirited debates about things that we probably would not have brought up five, ten years ago. And, you know, that's communicating. Yeah.

Has any of your family or friends noticed any kind of a change in your behavior or in your relationship yes my kids say we should rent our house out as an airbnb because we're never home anymore because we're constantly we're constantly visiting friends what friends they have friends they don't know um but they're happy for us they say they're happy just that we're traveling and doing things we didn't get to do raising them but um yeah they notice that we're out of town a lot with new friends well i think that um i appreciate your vulnerability um and sharing with us and you've i think you've set the bar fairly high for our future.

Um, um, what do we call this origin story? Thanks. Um, but hopefully I think, um, the reason that we wanted to do this and your story supports that is that, you know, it's not, it's not a perfect pathway.

It's unique, you know, to, to you as a couple where you are and what you've been through in life but you all seem to have you know made it something that has has enabled you both individually and as a couple to elevate and elevate but deepen your relationship and you know mature as a couple and the fact that you own your relationship and the two of you, no matter what your background is and how you were raised and what other people might think, the two of you have decided together that this is something, you know, that you want to explore. I think that's awesome.

And I like, from a personal point of view, I love seeing how he's grown and opened up and being more personable, and you love that. You always hated going to social events and talking to people, and now you're like, we're going here, we're going here, right? Yeah, I mean, every time we'd have to go to like a family reunion or wedding or something, I'd be like, oh, God, are you kidding me? Please, let's figure out a way to get out of this. But if it's a lifestyle event, he's like, when are we going?

How can remember a couple months ago or a few months ago you guys were at our house we had a gathering and it was time for y'all to go you had to drive home and you have a bit of a drive and and i remember you saying look at him he's a social butterfly like he went to say goodbye and it was like 30 minutes later and he was still floating around he's like just tell me when you're. But it's him. And Barb and I were sitting on the love seat together. And she's like, who is he? And I love that. I know. And you should have that, yeah.

Well, but there is one final thing about Joe that maybe we should share. He's energetic. He's got all this Energizer bunny. But when that battery goes dead. That's true. If there's a couch nearby. That's right.

He's on couch nearby he's on it look this is how i describe it i sleep like a dog so a dog can get up run all around taste the ball and as soon as the dog's not doing anything it can take a nap okay how is it after sex for you are you a cuddler after sex or you just like roll over and like you're out um no it depends yeah i'm i think i'm a cuddler he's a cuddler yeah all right good information he's a cuddler all right well we're we're um certainly um fortunate to have you in our lives as friends and and i'm sure our other friends and our community members would say the same thing and fortunately we live we don't live too far apart so we're able to to spend some time together and use this podcast recording as a way to lure you guys back down here to spend more time together.

So thank you for sharing, and I'm sure your message is going to resonate with others and help people connect, and that's what We Got A Thing is all about. So thanks for being a big part of our community and a part of our lives. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome back. We hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as we did. After we recorded it last weekend, you know, Mr. Jones always edits things and, you know, takes out the little coughs and clear the throat and any little parts that we decide shouldn't be, you know, recorded. And I was listening to the edited version on my walk the other day.

And I know people thought I was bonkers.

It was like a beautiful day outside and i was walking on the trail and it wasn't like i was just smiling like i was laughing out loud i mean it was so parts of it are so funny yeah so um we had fun we we think they're an amazing couple i'm sure that came through they're they're solid and they're just enjoying life together i think what i liked about listening to their story just to sum it all up is they were like partners in crime yes everything that they did they did together and they had fun doing it and they didn't have any they weren't embarrassed about anything you know it was just their story and they owned it and it's gotten them to where they are now.

Right. And it was so organic the way they started, like neither one of them had to get up the nerve, you know, to say, I think we should do this. It just kind of happened one night laying in bed, watching porn, you know, but poor Joe did have a rough time answering that question. You know, like he said, damned if you do and damned if you don't. Right. But I think after all of that, it was real.

you know it was a real conversation it question you know like he said damned if you do and damned if you don't right but i think after all of that it was real you know it was a real conversation it was you know they they were so gracious to be able to share that with everyone so we hope that you enjoyed it and we hope that you're starting to realize that there's no one way to do this and however you decide as an individual or a couple to to do this it go for it yeah and as long as it works for you then it's okay right yeah so you know stay tuned as we um invite more and more of our our friends to share their stories yes it's going to be fun well if you want to contact us you can email me at mrjones at wegot a thing.com or me at mrsjones at we got a thing.com and of course our website is we got a thing.com w-e-g-o-t-t-a-t-h-i-n-g.com and you can also follow us on twitter at we got a thing and if you would like to set up a profile on either sdc or cassidy you can get three months for free if you sign up through our website.

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