BONUS Episode 23: We Gotta Single Guy- Our Conversation with "Tony"

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This podcast contains explicit language and content and is for mature audiences only. Hey you teenagers out there, if you're under 18, this show is more for your parents. So now that you have that mental picture stuck in your head, put some music on and get back to doing your homework. We are a long-time married couple who's decided to chronicle our personal adventures and share our sex-positive discussions as we navigate our way through the swinging lifestyle. Care to join us?

Hello again, call this a bonus episode because it is an extra episode last year, which I guess we should call last year season one. Season one, we got a thing. True, true. We did a couple of bonus podcasts. And so we're hoping to do a couple of bonus podcasts this year. And this is our first. So we will have our regular format and a regular podcast later this month, but this is a little bit something extra. Well, you know why I think this is a bonus episode? I have a good idea, but go ahead.

Because I'm sitting here sharing a microphone with Tony, and we have to sit really close to each other so that we can both reach the microphone at the same time. Yeah. That's a bonus. Well, we'll let him introduce himself in a minute, but let's, should we give some background then? Sure. Okay. So, um, we introduced Tony to you back in episode 20. Yes. Maybe where we talked about lifestyle risks and rewards. Right. And we happened to, um, meet up with Tony. He was in town on business and he had contacted us and, and, uh, he and Mr. Jones hit it off and we just kind of took it from there.

And then he and Mrs. Jones hit it off. Yeah. And then he and I hit it up very nicely. It was a win. Yeah. Yeah. So we had a good time. And after that, I asked him if he would be interested next time he came down, if he would want a podcast. Yes. And I got a little excited about that. And so did he. Well, I mean, I was excited about it, too.

But when his visit, this visit was getting closer and closer, you know, usually that that-way texting starts and it's like sexy talk or whatever and you too would be talking about the podcast like making an outline or you know I'm so excited to podcast and and I'm like yeah I am too but um is that really the only reason you're coming to town because that's not the reason I'm thinking of right well we'll get to that So I just decided to save my sexy talk for in person. Yeah.

So if this evening goes well, what we plan to do is we're just doing a quick introduction here and we'll get right into our interview or our conversation, I guess. And then we'll come back at the end and give you a little recap on maybe what happened after the interview. Geez, no pressure, Mr. Jones. Well, you don't come all the way into town just to podcast. You just said that, right? Well, that's Thank you, dear. So, ladies, picture this. As always, I'm sitting across the table from Mr. Jones, who is quite debonair and handsome. Thank you, dear. But sitting next to me is my single guy.

The room is very full of testosterone right now. Don't you mean our single guy? Oh, our single guy. Sorry. Feeling a little selfish right now, maybe. Yeah. That's because you two have to sit extremely close together uh for technical reasons not of course yeah that's all it is we're sharing a microphone because we like to share so we are uh gonna introduce tony in just a second but the first thing that we want to do is talk about why we want to have this conversation. And so we shared, we had two experiences with single guys earlier.

And fortunately, Tony was going to be back in town and was really excited about sitting here and podcasting with us. And he's listened to our podcast for a while. And a lot of times when we talk to people in the lifestyle and we listen to other podcasts, people have somewhat of a negative feeling about single guys. Right. I mean, people, couples that haven't played with a single guy, they're always like, oh, you guys have played with a single guy. Well, what was it like? You know, wasn't it, you know, weird having, you know, just another guy in the room and they always want to know, well, Mr.

jones what did you do while while mrs jones was playing with the single guy and and it's just like all of that fear of the unknown it's just people find it fascinating and scary at the same time i guess so uh what we hope to do today is we're going to be speaking to a couple of different audiences. We want other couples who are in the lifestyle to learn a little bit from Tony and his outlook on things.

And we also want all you other single guys to pay really close attention to this and maybe get your pen and papers ready and take some notes as to how you might be able to improve the way that you all approach the lifestyle. So would you like to introduce our special guest? So yes, our special guest is, we're calling him Tony, and he is from the New England area. And luckily for us, he traveled into our part of the country on business a lot. So it's win-win. So welcome, Tony. Yes. Thank you for having me. Yes.

And so tell us a little bit about yourself tony um you know just the basics how long have you been in the lifestyle how how do you describe that to people you know what is your thing i guess maybe all right let me tell you about my thing so i have been in the lifestyle for oh boy i'm gonna really age myself here but i've been in the lifestyle for nine years um on and off and i've been a lot of great people mostly mostly couples um that i see I don't know if you're gonna have the same quality of experiences that if you're focused on the connection. Right.

So outcome means, let's just face it, we want to have an orgasm. We want to have sex. S-E-X. Yeah. Let's just be clear. That's what you mean when you say outcome driven. So maybe could you talk a little bit more about this connection that you described that maybe you're looking for?

Yeah, yeah for me I think it's being able to find a couple that you enjoy hanging out with that you can talk to about stuff pertaining to the lifestyle stuff not pertaining to the lifestyle people that you could be friends with outside of the lifestyle so I you know for me I think very early on when I when I started swinging I realized I wasn't really a fan of, I call them drive-bys, or like just one time, one couple, and then you move on. I'm more a fan of, I guess, the repeat offender. Okay.

And being able to kind of grow with a couple each time you see them okay um so we um why don't we talk about we we really put you in an unfair position the last time because when we played you knew that we were going to be talking about you on a podcast no pressure yeah So why don't you talk a little bit about what, so you had an experience with us just like you have experience with other couples. So what was that like? But also knowing that you were going to be on a podcast, you know, how did that, how did that affect you or did it at all?

So I definitely meeting you guys, I think I was certainly very nervous and I, because we were referred to one another through George, um, who I met George very early on in my swing. Do you know George George? Yeah. Do you know George George? Yeah. Um, so I met him very early on and I almost felt a pressure to live up to whatever he had said about me. And I think making sure I lived up to that expectation and then knowing that, well, if this goes completely awry, that it would be kind of broadcast through a podcast. Um, I think I kind of had, um, a different level of anxiety.

Whenever you meet a new couple, you you have a certain level of nerves but this one was a little different but recognizing that you guys are regular people we had a conversation we had a couple of beers we had some pizza and i think once we broke that broke through that ice we were fine right and everything just kind of flowed from there um so i thought it worked out That's so funny because I thought I was the only nervous one that night. No, I think we were all a little bit nervous. So let's talk about that for a minute.

So, Tony, when we first made contact with you, you reached out to us long, maybe a year or so ago.

And you had listened to our podcast and you had heard us talk about how to improve your profile and I think yeah you reached out to us and what did you you asked us what I because I heard that you were reviewing profiles for other people and I figured you know you're a couple you understand kind of what you'd like to see what you don't want to see yeah so I kind of asked if you'd just take a couple of minutes to scan my profile and see if there's anything glaring yeah should be in there or not be in there yeah and we had no experience with single guys at that point in time but do you do you remember what we told you i think you told me to cut down on the D I C K picks.

Yeah. I think you had about 80 or 90, uh, explicit photos in there and they were all impressive, but yeah, but there were just a few things that we commented on. And then I think what impressed me right away is number one that you asked, but number two, you actually did everything that, you know, that we suggested. And we thought, gosh, we've never really given a commentary on a single guy before. So hopefully this works out for you. But anyway, we had had some sort of a connection then. And then later when you heard our podcast where you heard that Mrs.

Jones had given me the Christmas gift, the naughty stocking gift, you reached back out to us. And at that point in time, we started a conversation. So talk about, you know, a lot of people are wondering, you know, how do you, how do you weed through all these single guys? So when you find one, you know, you and I initially emailed back and forth, and then I think we texting back and forth and then we brought Mrs. Jones into the conversation.

So can you, you don't necessarily have to talk about that, but like when you first engage with a couple, what is a normal way to kind of connect and how does that progress digitally before you actually meet? I think the one thing that you have to recognize, especially with online profiles, is 90% of the time you are talking to the husband. I think sometimes some of the other single guys, and I talk to a fair number of single guys, and I think hearing their perspective really is helpful.

Talking to them and seeing how they write their emails and thinking that they're talking to the wife and kind of doing that cat call construction worker type of thing, um, just doesn't sit well. So recognizing that you're talking to the husband 90% of the time and you wouldn't talk to someone's wife in a bar like that. So why would you talk to, you know, uh, why would you talk to a husband like that on the internet? Right. And so have you ever, at that point in time, have you ever shut somebody down?

Like if people are, you know, if there's a couple that really want to meet you and you pick up on some sort of a vibe, have you ever just discontinued that yourself? I have. It probably sounds very bizarre for a single guy to shut it down, but there are times, especially with these online profiles, and you make yourself very vulnerable by having an online profile, and the pictures that are there where couples will just be like, show us the dick pics or show us the sex pics, open up your albums and kind of lead with the outcome rather than the connection. Okay.

So then, so how does it, so once, if we're 90% of the time, we're starting with just the two of us, what happens when the lady comes into the conversation?

How does that normally look like um so i think i think the way that we had done it where you and i had a conversation you had vetted me make making sure that you know i i'm up to you know the standard that you want um and then we bring mrs jones into the mix i think that's pretty much how things have gone but i think what you have to do is come at it with come at If you don't have respect in the situation, it's going to be dead in the water. And then once the woman comes into the fold, that's where you have to make sure you're inviting, friendly, personable.

If you're a lame duck, nobody wants to be with you. Right. So Mrs. Jones, when you came into the conversation, what, what were you thinking at that point in time? Well, I mean, I have to admit because this was our, our first single guy experience where we actually had, you know, an opportunity ahead of time to get to know him and establish that relationship.

Um, I, I really struggled with the whole texting thing because I, I felt like, um, my words were under the microscope because it was not another woman to jump in and, you know, a lot of times a woman and I will kind of bounce things off of each other and, and then the men kind of join in, but this was just me and, and I felt like I didn't know where the boundary was on how sexy to be, how explicit to be. And I was really nervous about that. But I have to admit that Tony did a good job of finding my comfort level and adjusting his communication to meet me where I was. Right.

So, so were you worried about me at all? Yes. Well, I mean, you and I have that, that strong relationship, but I, but I kept thinking that you were going to be analyzing everything that I said. Um, and, and that just, it felt weird. Why would you think that about me? Because you've been known to overthink things in the past. I don't know. My tendency. Yeah. But it's, it's a very different dynamic than, than, uh, getting to know another couple. Right. So, so then we came, let me see. So help refresh my memory.

Then we emailed and we texted and we set a date and then you were going to come to town and we actually met. And then we met you for dinner. And I know that we talked about on the podcast that we talked about this, how we didn't know what side of the table that you should set on. Right, because we were in a booth.

So it was like, you know, two people had to sit on one side and somebody had to sit on the other side so was it awkward for you that night number one and number two um how is it normally when you meet a new couple you know it wasn't that part wasn't really awkward about what side of the booth to sit on or what to do with that my my general approach is to let the couple lead so if you treat this like a ballroom dance and the man leads, you, you know, the couple kind of is the more dominant party here. So, um, that, that's kind of where I, I, I left things.

So I waited for you guys to sit down first and then I plop myself down. Yeah. And then Mrs. Jones made us switch up when you went to the restroom, which was good. Yeah. And, and know, there's no other way around it. We talked about this before, but you are being vetted and interviewed. And, I mean, that's just a part of, you know, what you have to go through. But you're also doing the same thing, right? Absolutely. I think it's a two-way street. You guys have to like me.

And as a single guy, if I don't feel comfortable, I'm not going to move forward with something that doesn't bode well with me this is about quality this is about having good connections so if you're not feeling it you probably shouldn't move forward with it yeah okay so one of the things that we appreciated about you Tony was when when we were on the way home and then we got here you you asked us like what is what do we want to get out of this night and and what are some specific ideas that we have and and what you know what what do we want to do so can you talk about why you do that and a little bit more um i think a lot of it is i'm just a planner.

I'm type a, I've always been a planner and I think I I've always hated surprises and I don't think a couple, especially in something that is this sensitive wants to be surprised at all. Um, especially a couple that has minimal experience with single guys, single guy one before me and now now me right um so shout out to single guy one who helped uh um facilitate the way yeah yeah um so i think when you establish what it is that people want you are more apt for success than if you kind of try to do things ad lib okay so this is similar to like to like when Mrs.

Jones, you and I talk to another couple, and we say, okay, what do you guys want to do? You know, are you soft swap? Are you full swap? Are you whatever, right? So, you know, do you remember that? I mean, what was going through your mind when Tony was asking us what we want to do? Well, we had talked about that a little bit by text, you know, the days leading up to that evening. So it wasn't like all of a sudden we just had to kind of switch gears and, uh, and start, you know, talking about logistics or whatever.

But I think that what I appreciated about Tony was that he was really, I think he was genuinely interested in, in creating a dynamic where the three of us were comfortable. He was very concerned about, um, your interest as far as your level of participation in the whole experience. I, you know, cause I'm sure there's a a wide range of, of, um, participation by husbands.

So, that um your objective as far as what you wanted to get out of it was you know just as important as what i wanted to get out of it yeah so tony when you're with another couple do you you probably don't feel this way because you your personality is not that but you know guys can be competitive so do you have you run into it before where a guy just maybe even awkwardly wants to like stake his claim in the room of being the dominant one i've been in those situations where you you kind of have like the one guy acting as the alpha and trying to make the other guy know his place or whatever and i don't think that really works in swinging i think in swinging you have to kind of treat all parties as equals so for me i i think if you kind of go in there you have to almost shed your like natural animalistic instincts and be more humanistic about it and, and focus on, okay, I'm being invited into a couple's bedroom to do something that's quite unique.

I need to treat this with a lot of respect and sensitivity. So Mrs. Jones, you, when we've talked about this before, you're not the type of person that fantasizes specifically about things. So when like tony and our first single guy asked the same question about what is it that you want from this but yet how how do you answer or how did you answer that question i don't think i was very helpful because i i don't know um like i've said in the every time I try to script something out, it doesn't ever play out that way because the dynamic changes and it usually changes for the better.

Um, I really, once the boundaries are set, I mean, I, I like to know that, that, um, framework in which we're going to play. And once that is established by all invested parties, I, I really do just kind of like to go with the flow and just let the evening progress. Right. So Tony, the last time the three of us were together, you know, you made a suggestion towards the end of play, which is, which we didn't talk about specifically, but you made a suggestion and Mrs. Jones and I agreed at that point in time to do that.

But had we discussed that particular part of our evening before we went into the bedroom, it probably would have been, you know. I would have said no. Yeah, Mrs. Jones would have said no. So how did you know? Like when like when we were in there and, and we were, we were flowing, you know, we were playing and we were switching positions and things. What you, you all of a sudden stepped in and kind of made this bold statement, like, Hey, what do you think about doing this? What, why did you do that at that point in time? It just felt so natural to engage in that conversation.

And I know that we wasn't part of the script it wasn't part of the choreographed like do this and you guys are really good you guys don't do that um some couples they want it like minute by minute the play by play oh really um so i i think knowing that you guys were pretty flexible pretty open and And I thought this is something that I think all three of us would enjoy. So in the moment, I just felt it was right and thought, all right, let me put it out there. Worst case scenario, it's a no. And can I just say it was a genius suggestion? Oh, yeah. Do you want to talk more about that, Mrs.

Jones? Well, I think everything just worked out the way it was supposed to. Yeah, I think I just made you blush. I think you did. I don't know if I've done that before on the podcast. Good job, honey. Yeah. So that, you know, it's probably time to, so that was our encounter. And then we obviously had a great time and it was a great experience.

And so when you went home and you listened to the podcast, and and we've asked other couples this too and when you listen to us describe that evening um what is it like to be you know with your earbuds in and you're listening to somebody describe a sex act that you are a part of um you know describe kind of what that was like i was. It was, it is so flattering that a couple would even, and I think of myself as just an ordinary guy. You know, you guys have said, no, you're a different type of single guy, whatever.

Um, I think of myself as just like a regular old guy you'd see on the street, but it was, it was extraordinarily flattering to be recognized in that type of way. Um, and so I'm a pretty private person, but that podcast, I shared it with a bunch of friends. I told a bunch of friends that I'm in the lifestyle. So, Oh, good for you. So you got some new listeners. Okay. So, so what was the reaction when you did that? Um, very positive.

A lot of my friends were like, we knew that you're, you couldn't're you couldn't be a perpetual bachelor and uh oh so these are people that didn't even know you were in the lifestyle that you share and these were men and women or yeah so yes and and the response was was generally positive it was overwhelming overwhelmingly positive and now i have i i guess like this a little club of friends that want to hear everything that's going on so do they know you're coming down this weekend yeah they're ready for the next episode well the bar said hi yeah well a special hello to tony's new fan club right that's funny um so good good gosh that's that's good to hear i know yes we're really making a difference there um so let's shift gears a little bit so that we've talked about us and we've talked about our time together um let's talk about we were talking earlier today about planning this podcast out and tony you used a term called um that you try to change the minds of of single guy haters.

So there's a perception out there that a lot of people have that sometimes single guys aren't as respectful as you are and trustworthy as you are. So to kind of set the tone, I'd like to share an email that we got from one of our listeners. And it's really, I mean, our listeners are really a part of a lot of what we do here. And it's, it's always so coincidental that Mrs. Jones and I will talk about a topic that we want to discuss. And then all of a sudden an email will come in and, and mention the very same topic or ask the same question.

So, um, we got an email this week from a listener in the Northeast and she's given me permission to share this. And I just want to throw this, I want to read this, and then I'd like actually all three of us to kind of, not just going to put Tony on the spot here, but just respond to what you think is going on here. So, okay. So, hello, Mr. and Mrs. Jones. The past six to seven months have been pretty good for our part as far as being in the lifestyle. There have been a few bumps, but luckily it was from outside our relationship, and we were able to quickly rebound.

It took us a while to find a lifestyle site that worked for us, but we're in the Northeast, and there's not much community up here. So another hurdle that we've run into, and maybe it's the area where I'm unsure, is that we both identify as bisexual. We have found it difficult to find other bi couples, especially ones that we feel are a good match. I will say that be picky and be patient is her mantra. I wonder where she heard that. I don't know. Yeah. So if you can imagine, let me take a little break here.

So it's hard enough to find a couple that you're going to have a four-way connection with, but when both are bi-curious or bisexual, that makes it even more difficult. So anyway, let me continue. We thought that finding a single bi guy might be the better way to go. I really want my husband to live out his fantasies. Finding bi or bi-curious women is easy. I will say that finding a decent single man has been incredibly hard, or at least in our experience. We just met up with one, and it did not go well at all. On his profile, he said he was bi, but he was not.

I had an uneasy feeling to start, just the way his body language and demeanor was. He very much liked me, but there was nothing I was interested in about him. By the end, he had insulted our marriage and a large portion of the general population. Close-mindedness is a huge turnoff. In the middle of the-up, he asked us if there would be a chance that he and I could play together separately. I answered that maybe once we are all comfortable and that there is a great deal of trust, but really in the lifestyle for us is a big adventure for us to explore together.

He went on to say that our marriage was a sham, and that without trust, all we had was a piece of paper. We both sat there as he insulted us, letting him get it out of his system. There was nothing we could say at that point. He had figured out that we were not really interested and was not handling it very well. My snapshot, I guess I would say, for the whole situation was the drive home. Holding hands in the car, I was a bit shaken and upset. The single guy had seemed nice at first. My husband looked at me and said, Our marriage is the opposite of a sham. It's bulletproof.

We have the trust in one another to be able to live out our fantasies, and we always will come back together. If that isn't a real marriage, I don't know what is. Needless to say, I made him feel very, very good later that night.

So this is a story that, you know, it has a happy ending because they have such a solid relationship um and they are very unique because they're both bi but i i just thought that i would throw this out there to get kind of your thoughts on um you know what you think about how they how they handled it once it started to go wrong and and where could this guy have come from and in your experience do you see anything like this so the general approach when someone is insulting something as important to a couple as their marriage i think i probably if i were the couple um i probably would have shut it down right away and not given this guy the opportunity to let it all out of their system his system um that's just unacceptable the the posing as a bi guy to get with a couple is probably the more it's probably an anomaly um most people kind of do the opposite where it's the straight guy who maybe by, um, poses as a straight guy around up or down to straight, um, to get just a broader net of couples to be with.

But regardless in this situation where he's, you know, pretending to be something that he's not, you know, you learn pretty quick. And this couple was pretty astute to figure out this guy's not for us. Um, you're right that a bi couple, they are a niche market and they, they do kind of have to look a little harder than, um, the, the couples that identify as straight or the couples that have straight male, um, buyer by curious female. And I think that that's tough.

I think for them, I think one of the things that may be helpful is maybe, maybe jumping into the buy stuff right away, probably is going, um, trying to achieve all of their, their fantasies all at once. Maybe trying to identify just a quality guy, whether it's a single guy who's straight, a single guy who's bi, just identify one quality guy, have a good encounter with him, even if it's just like all the acts are straight, and then from there evolve. I think trying to get everything done in one sitting might not be totally feasible. Yeah, that's a good point.

And she says that she's patient and picky. So that's, you know, I think what you're saying is just get a good experience under your belt and then worry about the bi-curiosity or the bisexual part of it later. You know, we have been meeting a lot of people at different events that we've gone to. And, and recently at an event, we just met another couple where the guy was bi-curious and you were talking to him about that. And, you know, he was saying that there's probably more bi-curious men out there than is acknowledged on the websites because men are afraid to put that out there.

So, you know, I think her advice of being patient and picky is, is probably spot on because I think the, a couple for them is out there, but they're just going to have to really take the time to let that happen. Right. So Tony, you, you mentioned something that's interesting.

You said normally, um normally um well what is your experience with coming in as the single guy and the couple tells you that they're straight but you pick up on maybe some signals from the guy that he's by curious has that happened and what is that like so there there have definitely been times and i think if you listen to some of the other podcasts that have featured single guys they they've probably also kind of described similar experiences where the couple identifies as being straight but in the heat of the moment there there are some liberties that are somewhat attempted um in the heat of the moment and you know for me as a single guy, I think I can kind of hold my own and I'm pretty good at kind of swatting a hand off my back.

Um, but, uh, at the same time, I think probably the, and I hate to use, to use this terminology or this vernacular because it sounds so dramatic, but the bigger victim in that situation is probably that straight wife that had no idea that that quote unquote straight husband was going to do anything like that. And in that type of situation, do you really want to put your wife, do you really want to kind of like do the shock and awe type of thing to your wife in that moment?

And for those couples where the husband might be thinking about it, I think the more respectful thing to do would be just to have a conversation between the two of them because I don't know. I don about that. I hadn't either. I was. Wow.

I was asking the question, the the wife already knew but right but you're saying that you've been in a situation where so what is the guy does the guy make advances or or eye contact with you when his wife is not looking or what how does that how how do you know how do you suspect that she doesn't know i guess is um you know, you know, like this can play out in a different, a number of different ways, but the, you know, there, there's a, there's incidental touching that happens as a function of just three people being within five feet of one another.

Um, and then there's the type of touching that happens where you're just like, did you really need to be in that vicinity or what have you and that's how you kind of pick up on it right and you know the wife isn't always face down or the wife isn't always not looking so when she sees it and you see that look of terror on her face that that's where it's like oh geez i i wish this wasn't going down. So I imagine some of our listeners might be curious. So when that happened, if you can think of an instance when that happened, did you disengage right away, or what would your response be?

I try to be respectful. I mean, to get to that point, to make it through the process of meeting a couple out, having drinks with them, having good conversation, you know, developing a rapport, developing a connection, and then in the heat of the moment, and who knows, maybe the husband truly is straight identified or what have you, and in the heat of the moment, that's just what felt right. I try not to let that, like, totally diffuse the whole situation.

I usually just kind of like if, and I'll use the example of like a hand stroking my back, I'll just kind of pull that hand off my back and, um, the husband kind of get it pretty. Oh, I know that's happened to me once before too. Well, right. And I mean, when, when it did happen to us and he, you know, realized that when I inserted myself between the two of you, that we were not interested in that, he was very gracious. I know. You know, so he, he decided to test the waters and when he found out that it wasn't wanted, he went right back.

I know, but honey, what would you think if I did it to him? Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, you'd be mortified. Yeah. Right. Wow. You'd be caught off guard. Right. So I guess it's safe to say that as a single guy, you have to be, gosh, as a couple going into play with another couple, there are things that we look for that are red flags. But as a single guy, you've got to be looking all over the place because you don't really know what you're walking into. Wow. Well, and I think that's the important, that's the importance of really talking to a couple ahead of time.

Uh, when I was starting out, I would meet these couples and they didn't even want to have a drink to just chat and make sure that we're all on the same page, make sure that we have a connection. I would just kind of get a text with a hotel room number and you know, like you learn from your mistakes and that's one of those situations where I probably will never repeat that mistake again, where, um, if someone doesn't want to engage in a conversation ahead of time and discuss what they're trying to get out of this, it's probably not going to work.

But in terms of the couples that are, you know, with a straight identified in the profile husband or what have you, most of them are very, very respectful once you kind of establish that physical boundary. And it sounds like you guys had the same experience. And then for the couples who are bi-identified on the websites, I find them to be the most respectful at all because they know that you're not fully immersed into what their culture is and that they probably ask more questions than anyone. So I find them probably the most respectful. Wow, that's good to hear. Wow, that's very interesting.

So I find them probably the most respectful. Wow. That's good to hear. Wow. That's very interesting. So, um, moving on from the email, I want to touch on something else before we talk about some more fun stuff. But, um, so Mrs. Jones and I are, are, we have a private profile. It's not a, we got a thing profile on a local website here in Washington, DC. and this past week somebody viewed our profile and I wish this wasn't a podcast and I could show you his profile picture, but it's basically him with his dick out and his balls and a cock ring on, and it takes up the, that's his profile picture.

And, you know, I wonder, you know, if we could talk a little little bit about about Tony what you're and this specifically for advice for guys single can I say it's a really nice picture but yeah you know I think there's probably more to him than just well you know what okay so you've said that before Mrs. Jones before Tony comes in so you had said something and I think you said if that's you're the feature that you have, you know, don't. Yeah. I need a little bit more than that. Yeah. Because really, I think you also said that after a while they all look the same really. Well, right.

I mean, every guy, every guy's got a cock and you know, I don't really like, I don't know. And maybe this is me. I, they're all nice. And as long as it it works i really don't care what it looks like so why do you think i just needed to be functional so what so what would you tell the guy i'll start with you mrs jones what would you tell a guy what would you tell this guy if we could bring him in here and say look dude you know not just stop with the dick pick but why? What would you rather see? Because I'm attracted to the whole picture. I mean, I need a brain. I need a physically fit body.

I mean, that could have been a really nice dick on a really icky guy. I don't know. Or, you know, a guy that can't put a sentence together. I don't know. I need a little bit more than that. that's just that's very important to swinging i guess but it's to me it's not a huge factor there's other factors that are way more important to me yeah so tony what would you say to that guy i would echo mrs jones's comments in that you know stimuli, the things that appeal to a woman are different than the things that may appeal to a man.

And I think if you and I think you use the term blockhead once or twice, usually referring to me.

The thing the things that would appeal to the caveman types of guys where it's just like, just like oh yeah you show them a set of tits or you show them an ass they're ready to go what appeals to a woman is totally different and when you open up an issue of playgirl it's the full the full gamut head to toe of the guy it's not just his package it's not just you know the the appendage so you have to understand who your audience is and what your audience appeals to yeah one of the i have to give one of our twitter followers i have to give gogo a shout out here she put a tweet out that said she was obviously referring to a single guy she said you did such a wonderful job photoshopping out your face but you forgot to photoshop out the toilet in the background you know so so let's think about the background you know two guys so try to get your whole persona in there and do it in a place other than the bathroom or you're trying to take your shaving kit off the counter when you need to do that as well so that's just a no-brainer um so not to make um single guys out to be bad all the time we did get another we did get an inquiry from a guy a single guy on the same website and i won't read the email exchange but basically his profile pictures is him in a tuxedo which mrs jones that works for me yeah yeah and his email was similar.

It was if I could summarize it, it was a paraphrase. It was like, I read your profile and you guys look like a really solid couple. You know, the Mrs. is very attractive. And if you're interested at all in a single guy, you know, you know, I'd be interested in continuing the conversation with you. And, you know, then I replied and we had an exchange and I told him that, you know, we had a full plate at the current time, but, you know, thank you for reaching out. And then he responded to my reply and said, okay, thank you very much.

You won't hear from me again, but just remember that I'm interested and please reach back out. I mean, that to me is the profile picture, his profile, the email exchange, and the fact that when I said no, not now, he just didn't delete the email and I never heard from him back. He came right back. And so now in the back of my mind, I know that there's potentially a guy out there. That makes him intriguing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. so Tony, you, you mentioned, or Mrs.

Jones, you mentioned a while ago about, you know, the two of us going into, um, an encounter with another couple as, as a husband and wife. Now, when you're a single guy, you have nobody else, you have no wingman.

Uh, you know, when we have a play experience, we can come home and we can say, Hey you think about that and hey was was i did you think that was weird or did you think that was hot and and i have a sounding board and she has a sounding board so as a single guy when you have one of these experiences good bad or indifferent and you come home i mean besides the dog i mean how do how do you get that that's do you have a sounding board do you have somebody that you can kind of bounce these things off of I do and for that for that reason I think as a couple when you go into an exchange with another couple and you leave you can kind of talk about the good the bad the ugly everything that happened and you have kind of a confidant as a single guy you have no one but I have one friend my friend Tom he's listening um hey Tom uh hey Tom and I I tell him everything and he's he's very very conservative he would never do this himself but uh he respects what I do and always has a ton of questions usually they're just off the wall but it's nice to have someone just talk to and and ask like hey does this sound and excuse my french does this sound fucked up yeah let me tell you what happened last night and what do you think about that yeah so because i always wondered about that because you mentioned block heads and we guys are block heads and we need you know i need mrs jones to keep me you know kind of grounded and and to bounce things off of so i guess some good advice would be as a as a single guy to have somebody out there you know that you can trust that you can kind of you know am i way off base here and in my and i And I think it's just the way that I was brought up, but I'm a worrywart.

So every time I go to meet a new couple and I would tell Tom, all right, if I go missing, I was at this bar last. Yeah, you leave like breadcrumbs or something on paper trail um so so tony what would you say let's talk a little bit about um and and recently Yeah, you leave like breadcrumbs or something, a paper trail. So, Tony, what would you say, let's talk a little bit about, and recently, me and Mrs. Jones and I played with a couple, and they had said something about never being with a single guy, and at the end, you know, they were kind of having second thoughts.

So what would your message be to, you know, if you could talk to couples who, assuming that they have a misperception about single guys, you know, what do you think couples get out of this and what would your message be as a very level-headed, respectable, you know, single guy for what you see other couples getting out of this. I think the overarching message would be to give, give single guys a chance. There are good ones out there. Um, there are a lot of weeds that you have to filter through, but like vetting a couple, you have to invest time.

You have to invest energy into vetting a single guy. And that's not easy. You do go through a process of talking to multiple guys, but when you do find one that works, it's a, it's a nice, it's a nice addition to a couple. Um, and I think a lot of couples enjoy the dynamic of, uh, of the single guy.

Whereas with two couples, you have to make sure that all four personalities are on board with one another with a single guy it's a little bit more straightforward right so we have a good friend that um actually i'm going to give her credit so page and pen from swinger diaries you know page when when i was trying to to coerce Mrs. Jones into being interested in a single guy. You were just planting the seed. Yeah. I reached out to Paige and I said, hey, you got to help me, help a brother out here. You know, you got to talk to Mrs.

Jones and tell her all about your good experiences with the single guys and why she should do this. And the one thing that she said that I want to get your response to is she said, just remember this, single guys are single for a reason. So, so really what I want you to do is, okay, you're, you're a young guy, you've got a lot of life ahead of you, you obviously have individual goals for relationships. So specifically, you know, why are you a single guy now? Why don't, you know, where are you in your quest? Are you interested in other women? Are you interested in a long-term relationship?

And what would you say? Because there are couples out there that are thinking, you've got to be single for a reason. So if there was like a video podcast and when you said that it could capture my eyes rolling. Yeah, they were rolling. Like a slot machine in Vegas. You know, I don't think that people who are successful single guys in the lifestyle do this because they don't have options elsewhere. For, for myself, I certainly have, I certainly date, I certainly have no trouble quote unquote getting, I hate to sound so crude, but getting action on the outside in the real world.

Um, so for me, I think that notion of single guys are single for a reason, it might play true to a select proportion of the population of single guys, but I don't think it plays true to all of the single guys in the lifestyle. For myself, I enjoy, I enjoy that connection. I don't know if I necessarily feel that type of connection when meeting a single girl, especially in my age bracket and having that type of sexual and, you know, erotic energy that I think a couple, once they've kind of worked through their relationship over decades have really established.

So for me, I'm not doing this because I don't have options. I know I'm not doing this because this is like my only Avenue. I'm doing this because I truly enjoy it for my quest for you know my own personal relationships yeah i'd love to settle down and find someone but being a bachelor is certainly fun but you know i i yearn for companionship so if any of the listeners out there know anyone i'm available okay well that answered my next question you know so if you live in the northeast and uh you want to know more about Tony, send us an email. That's right. I'll vouch for him. Yeah, no doubt.

So you've mentioned at the start that you've been in the lifestyle about 10 years now. Over the past 10 years, have you had girlfriends? And if so, what do you do? Do you tell them about the lifestyle?

do you disengage from the lifestyle or does it depend on the girl so over the past 10 years i have been dating in the vanilla world and also in the lifestyle so when i say i've been in the lifestyle for 10 years i really mean that in the on and off type of sense and i i'm all about open and honest communication with any you know potential um potential girlfriend so i'm always up front about where my past has been and some people respond poorly some people respond positively but at least you don't have this black cloud hanging over your head or that you don't start a relationship on a lie mm So you're, so you don't see, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but what I hear you saying is you don't, the lifestyle for you is not a substitute for a relationship with another woman.

It's something, it gives you the opportunity to have a relationship with another couple, but it's, but it's not that you're replacing one with the other. Yeah. For me, I think it's important to make the distinction that this is, and the term, the terminology lifestyle, it kind of makes me cringe because I don't eat, sleep, breathe swinging. I kind of do this more as a recreational thing. And I certainly have the capability of having meaningful relationships outside of the lifestyle. Okay, well, I think I speak for Mrs. Jones when she says she's happy that you do this as a side job.

So let's get into some more fun stuff. So you've been at this a while, Tony, talk to us about experiences that you've had. Talk about, you know, funny things, um, scary things, mistakes you might've made, uh, things that surprised you.

I mean, I'm sure that, you know, people are just interested to know, um, you know, share some things that are really just really interesting that you've run into i mean so as a single guy there there definitely are these moments where i call up tom right after i'm driving away from a hotel and ask him is this really crazy so i think probably the funniest and this happened a while ago um so you had done a nice episode about the safe sex episode and the cdc having a number of good resources so this one couple we had agreed to get tested and go through that whole conversation and the husband really wanted me to finish off inside of the wife so fine with no condom right okay so we we do that and that and i don't want your listeners to think that that's like the norm for me that's probably more of the not norm um so we do that and the husband gets one of those like teaspoons um that you kind of like shuck oysters with but not the fork the like the little teaspoon yeah and fishes it out of his wife and kind of does that airplane thing that you do to a toddler to feed them with my load um so that probably with his wife into her mouth yeah uh and is this this is supposed to be one of those that's kind of funny and kind of gross so yeah for your listeners i hate to be crude that's probably the most bizarre um or probably the funniest and that's one of those ones where you you sneak on your clothes and you just sneak up the door.

Uh, okay. Um, how about, um, I know that you mentioned to me before that when you've talked to Tom and other people that they, they asked you some crazy questions or, or, you know, what, what are some funny things that people have said to you about what you do? So the one that I get often is what do the husbands do if they're not, because husbands' participation varies. They either are just watching, being a voyeur, or they're actively participating, or, you know, some hybrid in between.

And for the situations where the husbands are not participating and purely a voyeur, the question I get often is, aren't you afraid that they're going to do something like, you know,'t really you don't have eyes in the back of your head and tom tom had made this comment very early about well what if they take the drawstring from the curtain in the in the hotel room and just strangle you with it aren't you afraid of that and you know it's one of those things where it's like oh boy why did you have to plant that in my head so now I'm like always looking over my shoulder yeah so have you ever been in like a lot of times we'll go into a play situation and and we'll talk four-way and everybody says that they're okay but have you ever gotten into a situation and you realize that maybe the husband or the wife one of the two of them didn't want you in there to begin with i mean um i i usually try to sense i try to smell that out ahead of time so i try not to let it get to the point of getting to the bedroom i try to make sure that i can vet both the husband and wife pretty equally to make sure this is what they want.

And they do want to move forward with this. You do deal with, especially newer couples where they're nervous and you worry about, are they ready to kind of do this? But I think when you have a conversation, you just show that you genuinely care about the connection.

It really diffuses some of those nerves so is there a line that you won't cross i mean like um we're not very we're not the type of people that come up with scenarios but i imagine you get scenarios a lot are they have there has there been a scenario or two that maybe have been proposed to you that you've said i'm not going to do that so i don't know if this is a weird one but i've i've had this happen three times now um where a couple three couples in in my in my uh history of swinging have asked me to sire their children and what's the term that you used for that?

The term the one couple had used was trailer park IVF. In vitro fertilization. So that's definitely a line that I'm not interested in crossing and for a variety of reasons, but it's just, you know, if I'm going to have kids, I want to have them on my own volition, and I don't want to have to do that through the lifestyle. But did that cross your mind, like the guy who took the oyster spoon? I mean, when somebody wants you to finish inside their wife without a condom, does it cross your mind that maybe they're not being honest and that is what they want?

Yeah, so, you know, your vision certainly is better after the fact. And with that, I'm oh geez what like and i didn't ask enough questions and i was a rookie at the time so i i think knowing the questions to ask especially when husbands and it's usually the husbands that pose the scenarios not to say that the wives don't but it's usually the husbands that pose some of the more extreme scenarios where uh really have to scratch your head and ask, is this something that I should really go down the path of? Right. So how about role-playing?

Have people asked you to come to a bar at a certain time and talk about something like that? I get, the pickup role play thing often where a couple will be at a bar and they will want the wife to get picked up, which I think that's, I think that's flattering for most wives, especially most, most people who are in the lifestyle are typically in their relationships for a fair amount of time and are older. So to kind of feel, you know, desired and wanted again, I like that one. I think that's probably a good role play that I, that I enjoy doing. And, you know, not every couple's into it.

Most couples, you know, once, once the rapport is developed, they're, they're like, okay, we can, we can drop the act. Well, has anybody before today done the fantasy where they invite you in to do a podcast with you before they, that's Mrs. Jones's whole MO today in case you haven't, yes, you two are sitting next to each other right into our web. Yeah. There's only one microphone. It's forcing you to get close together.

I don't know if you've picked up on this yet, but I think this is her role play that she really won't come out and say yes so what about um what about particular like positions i mean you hear you know the thing about porn porn is a double-sided thing you know it's it's good because couples can watch it and people can watch it and get ideas and see what's going on but but sometimes it can be so over the top that people think that there's these positions that you can do easily. So when it comes to like specific scenarios or positions is, and let's talk, I mean, what do you like?

Like, are there certain positions or do you like it when a couple comes to you and says, hey, I'd really like you to, I want to do DVP or we want to do DP or we want to, you know, do that? I mean, how do you, how do you, do you enjoy doing that? And then could you describe to us like a time when that was really hot for you? So there's a fine line that comes with the couples that come to you with very specific requests because sometimes the requests are very choreographed and it's like minute by minute, play by play, stroke by stroke, what's going to happen. And that's not fun.

I don't think anybody enjoys that except the person doing the choreographing. I think where it becomes more interesting is where the couple will say that they're interested in doing X, Y, or Z. And if you could incorporate that into the play, that's where it gets fun. So I try to avoid the couples that want the choreographed routine. And along with the choreographers, you get the couples where there's almost like a traffic cop. Go faster, go slower, go. So that takes the spontaneity and, you know, any enjoyment out of it.

And for me, to be honest, and you guys have, we've shared a night together, so I think you guys recognize that. I probably don't do the porn star persona, but I focus more on the experience. And I think a couple of couples that I have been with have described me as delivering the quote-unquote boyfriend experience.

So I think that one, can't really choreograph some of the the stuff that you you do in a porno right how about the like the hot wifing stuff have you had couples that you know the guy's strictly going to sit in the corner or even be restrained in the corner and then you're just going to enjoy his wife without him being involved have you been a heart part of that? And if so, were you able to enjoy that? So the hot wifing and the cuckolding certainly runs a spectrum, and there are some couples who are very mild in terms of what they want.

They just want to have a guy come in and have sex with with the wife and you know kind of fulfill this fantasy of like this younger guy coming in to uh have sex with like the house wife milf type of thing and then some like it a little bit more extreme um and i think the example of siring someone's children uh is probably the most extreme extreme that you can get in terms of that whole hot wife cuckolding thing. But, you know, I think the majority of couples enjoy the lighter end of things, the heavier stuff I'm not terribly interested in.

For me personally, I actually prefer the husbands to participate. it just doesn't it it just feels like everyone's on a more neutral ground when everyone's participating versus when it's just me and the wife and he's watching or he's videotaping or what have you. So how about have you been involved with couples when there's just more men than just you and the husband? And what does that look like?

so this is probably like the number one request i get from right couples that i i've seen on a semi-regular basis to like you know after after a certain rapport has been built and we've been seeing each other frequently um to like bring in a friend or bring in a couple of friends. So, uh, I I've been in that situation. I enjoy it a lot. It, and I think this is probably why I don't like the FM F threesomes because they require a lot of like, you're, you're the, you're, um, you're the main attraction for a lot of it.

Whereas when there's multiple M's and one F, um, you can actually take a break if you wanted, but, um, it's enjoyable. I enjoy that a lot. I mean, I have to, I have to tell on Mrs. Jones today because I had said, you know, what would you think about more than just two guys? And you, what was your answer? You and I had to have then like a big debate on what was a gangbang and what was the dynamic of a gangbang. And you, you said it was more like a take a number thing and, and it would be like one guy at a time coming up. And I said, I didn't think that was the case at all.

I thought it was, you know, where you'd have like, you know, at least three guys engaged with the, the woman at once. Right. All of them swarmed up on you. Yeah. And then, and then you didn't think you would like it and I said, oh, well, let me throw a scenario out at you. I said, let's just say tonight that me and you and Tony are getting down and then single guy number one knocks on the door. Would you turn him away? And what did you say? I said, well, no. So there you go. I know. I know. Is he in town? Well, I don't think so. If the bell rings, I guess we'll answer it.

That's the next podcast, right? Yeah, right. Right. So what have we, you know, what we wanted to do tonight, Tony, is to give you we we really have a lot of respect for you and we really enjoy being with you and we really feel like we wanted to give you an opportunity to use this platform that we have to you know to to speak from your perspective and so is there anything else as far as either to single guys or to couples or just to the lifestyle in general you know what what is is it that you would, you know, kind of want to say to sum this up and to try to get, you know, your message across?

Is there, I would think that there's a business opportunity out there for guys who do this right. Oh, that's sexy, honey. Well, I mean, I'm just looking at it that way. Well, I do travel a lot, so if couples are interested, contact Mr. Jones for my info. But all kidding aside, I think you started off the podcast by talking about how there are multiple audiences here. You have the single guys, you have the couples who may be contemplating a single guy but aren't quite there yet.

So to the couples that are thinking about a single guy i think the things that um should be considered it's hard swinging is not easy trying to find couples that are compatible is not it is not void of any work and trying to find a single guy that's high quality is not void of any work so just recognize that while it seems like you're getting bombarded with a plethora of emails that clearly don't read your profile or are the profile picture of just appendages, there are good quality single guys out there.

It just requires a little bit of investment in time and energy to find them and to vet them out. um and then the other part of that is once you do find a single guy that you think might be appropriate um take the time to you know have the husband kind of ensure that the conversation is going right and then bring in the wife or group texts and that dynamic right there if there's major shifts in how a single guy talks to the husband versus how the single guy talks to the couple when the wife is present, that should be a red flag.

Um, if there's major discordance, then it's probably not going to work. But ultimately what you should be looking for is a guy who's respectful and not focused on just the sex. I mean, a lot of us are in the lifestyle because we just want to make friends who are just as open-minded as us. For the single guys out there, I think the big advice I would have for the good ones out there is don't get discouraged.

There are, you know, the quote-unquote couples that are single guy haters, and you know you do kind of have to roll with the punches um it is an uphill battle and in the lifestyle women kind of um hold the cards here so recognize that that is like where you're starting off but if you treat people with respect if you come at people with you know good intentions and focus on the connection rather than just the outcome, if you're outcome driven, it's not going to go very far. And the quality of couples you meet won't be that great.

But if you come at people with good intentions, respect, and focusing on the connection, you'll be successful. And not having a dick pic as your profile profile well and i think you're saying to bring it back to full circle what our what our um listener said in her email and that was you know be patient and be picky so that actually works on the single guy side too because a lot of times guys want instant gratification and and so i think what i hear you saying is you single guys should approach it just like we as couples approach it. And that is be thoughtful with your profile.

Um, understand what couples are looking for, be patient, um, be respectful when you make communication, you know, it may take you after you set up a profile.

I mean, that doesn't mean you're going to have sex tomorrow night when you upload your profile today and and so i think what you're saying is if you're in this for the long haul and you want it to be meaningful um that that you need to be deliberate and a little bit strategic about it and and when i was talking about a business opportunity i wasn't necessarily talking about you what i was talking about is there there are going to be a demand if demand. I'm saying that if there were more single guys like you, Tony, that you would be in demand.

And so there are guys out there, ironically, who are doing it the wrong way, and they're driving customers to you. I mean, really, because, and we find that, you know, too, that if you do this the right way, as a single guy, you will find some quality couples and you will have a good time. So and for the couples out there, I think you bring up a good point about just developing that street cred for the couples out there. Talk to other couples who have played with single guys. They they can help refer you to kind of some of the more quality ones and save you some of the stress. Yeah. Mrs.

Jones. Let's do it. they, they can help refer you to kind of some of the more quality ones and save you some of the stress. Yeah. Mrs. Jones. Well, I think, um, it's intimidating finding a single guy. I mean, so I have to confess something. I don't think I've ever told you this before.

So like when I wrote the little note and put it in my naughty stocking, it was just kind of like when I first suggested going to desire, it was almost like I was calling your bluff because I figured it would be so difficult to find a single guy that both you and I were comfortable with, that it would probably be like a really long-term venture to actually find a single guy. And then, you know, we kind of backfired on you, didn't it? Right. So then like a month and a half later, we found our first single guy.

And then, um, you know, a couple of weeks after that, we found single guy number two, who is sitting here with his hand on my ass. No wonder you're not talking much. And my hand isn't on my own lap either. so i mean it you know I I was pleasantly surprised about the um the the two men that we have met and played with it's just been a much higher quality experience than I thought it would be yeah very good did we miss anything I don't know I think we've um had some good insights today.

I think we're ready to close this up and go put a couple stakes on the girl i think i've been very patient because my mind is uh yeah definitely thinking further down the road for the evening i've done 22 episodes with mrs jones and this is like the first episode where her head really hasn't been in the game you've been a little bit of been a little bit of a distraction. But that's okay. In a really good way. Yeah, you are our featured guest. And we certainly appreciate you taking the time to sit down with us and come down, travel down here and be on our podcast.

And also, personally, I have to say that, and this goes for not only guys, but couples we play with, you know, one of the things that I look for as a husband is I'm looking for whether it's the husband in a couple that we're with or a single guy, I want to know that I can trust the man with the love of my life.

And if I can't do that, it's not going, you know, for any further than that and so the fact that you know that goes both ways because if if i don't think that you feel comfortable with him then i can't relax yeah and and have a good time myself right so i you know it you're trying to protect me both physically and emotionally but at the same time you know there's got to be buy-in on my part and that's not going to happen unless I can, you know, sense that, that you're comfortable.

And this is one of those things that really, um, you know, we talked about this in the last episode when we talked about how to talk to your spouse or your partner about getting into the lifestyle. And that is, you know, I, I always had this, I always wanted to see you with another man. But how does that make any sense? It doesn't. That doesn't make any sense at all. That's what's so cool about it. Right. So to be able to have the relationship like we have and say, you know what, I'd really like to see this.

And then, and taking some of my own medicine from what we said last podcast was, I didn't force it on you know we didn't you gave it to me as a gift in a stocking now whether you really thought it was going to happen obviously that's a that's a new revelation here but when you were ready for it you you put it out there and then it happened so you know i i don't know how to explain to other men and other women that, you know, to me, as our listener said, you know, in this email, you know, I want to do whatever I can as a husband and the relationship that we have together to give you, you know, things that are going to make, you know, I want you to have fun and I want our relationship to grow while at the same time having a guy like Tony who wants to be a part of that and be a part of the, you know, the relationship for the moment and add something to it.

So, so he's not simply a toy, you know, he's not disrespected, you know, he's not playing a role. He's just like the couples that we play with. We were looking for that connection and we're looking for that level of trust. And so anyway, thank you, Tony, for taking the time out. Thank you. Yeah. And Tom and Tony's fan club, you know, thank you for the role that you're playing and letting Tony bounce ideas off of you and experiences. And thank you for listening to our podcast. Okay, well, welcome back, everyone. It's actually Monday night now.

Our single single guy tony had to get on a plane and go home and get back to real life and mr jones and i had to go to work today but we had um definitely some non-podcasting playtime after we finished recording on saturday night and we we had so much fun with tony always. And we decided that the snapshots just couldn't wait until another normal episode. Yeah. He was, when he got up from the podcast table, he was so sweaty, he had to go take a shower. He said he was a little nervous, but I think it was because you were rubbing his thigh while you were being a poor guy.

We were sharing a microphone. I know, but he's trying to think off, you know, and you're making him nervous and you're... I was trying to put him at ease by rubbing his thigh. And then, yeah, I kind of put my arm around his shoulder and we kind of had to, you know, shoulder to shoulder. We really had to get in there so we could both reach the microphone. I think considering the fact that you were such a big distraction, he did a wonderful job. I was trying to help. Next time we're going to have to have you on the other side of the table. I'll sit next to Tony next time.

Okay, that might actually have to be like a picture snapshot. Blur your faces out and put it on the website. Yeah. So what we thought we would do for our snapshot segment is, unbeknownst to us, when Tony was at the airport, I dropped him off and he sent us a snapshot of a certain point in our playtime Saturday night. Yeah. And so we thought we would share our perspective of the exact same moment that he's describing. Yeah, because it was my snapshot, too.

And then and then I because Mr jones and i hadn't even really had time to talk yet and then mr jones said yeah that was pretty much my the most momentous part of the evening for me too so i think um yeah we'll do a three perspective snapshot okay well why don't you go ahead and let tony start you're gonna read his snapshot. Yes, I'll read on behalf of him since he had to go home. Okay. Alright, why don't you go ahead and let Tony start. You're going to read his snapshot. Yes, I'll read on behalf of him since he had to go home. Okay.

All right, so he starts out by saying, my naughty snapshot, making out with Mrs. Jones and rubbing her clit while she was riding Mr. Jones, reverse cowgirl, feeling her body tense up and cum several times was memorable.

So, yeah, we played for a long time yeah i think it was over two hours i think it was like three hours because we we finished dinner kind of early because we podcasted in the afternoon and um and then we got dinner ready and had some snacks and everything while we while we were making dinner and then as soon as we finished eating finished eating dinner, you guys were like, well, now what do we do? And I was like, well, I guess I'll go change clothes. I put something a little more comfortable on and I came back downstairs and I thought, okay, well, we'll just hang out for a while.

And I got back downstairs and you guys were like, I think we should go in the bedroom. I was like, well, okay. Yeah.

We didn't need the card game and by the way just for the record this is two play times in a row where I finished last oh good grief yeah for those of you keeping score at home yeah exactly I gotta improve my reputation okay well but it doesn't matter who finished when we all ended up finishing it was pretty spectacular yeah we did so are you going to give your version of that moment or do you want me to um you can go first okay so i think he mentioned you were reverse cowgirl right so i was laying on my back and you were reverse cowgirl which meant you were sitting on top of me and your back was facing me.

Right. And he was in front of you on the bed. Right. And I think, was he on his knees? I couldn't see. Yeah, I think he was. Either that or he was standing on the floor and I was near the edge of the bed. Okay. So the point is, I could not see him. I mean, I could see his shoulders and his head, but I couldn't see what he was doing. Um, so, um, you were on top of me and I had my hands on around your hips and I had my thumbs like just above your butt cheeks in the back. And then I had my fingers on the front of your hips.

So I had a good, you know, I was, and then I was pulling you and pushing you back and forth. So it wasn't, you weren't bouncing up and down. No, it was more back and forth. And every once in a while I can tell that I start hitting this spot and you, and I couldn't tell what he was doing from the front, but whatever he was doing in combination with what I was doing, it was working. It was the groundhog day of Mrs. Jones orgasms because you just had one after another. Yeah, it wouldn't stop. And neither one of us because I was it really since I wasn't going in and out, I was lasting.

You know, it was, I mean, it felt good, but I could have done that a long time because it was this back and forth. And then you started like swiveling your hips forward and backward, which is really, you know, almost like thrusting motion from behind. And that was pretty cool. And he wouldn't like a lot of times when I do reverse cowgirl, I'll kind of like lean forward and like put my hands on your knees and he wouldn't let me do that. He pushed me back. So I was almost leaning back. Yes. Like towards your head. Yeah. A couple of times you did lean back.

Oh, and I, and I have to apologize to you. Oh yeah, that's right. This is when you grabbed me. Did you ever check for like a bruise? Now do you want to look? Yeah. No, no, there's no mark. You're tough. Yeah. So at one point I was like leaning backwards and I had my hands on like Mr. Jones's like Thank you.

no there's no mark you're tough so at one point i was like leaning backwards and i had my hands on like mr jones's like waist like the side of his waist and i remember one time i guess i got a little two times over yeah yeah it was the first time you didn't know the second time you apologized you didn't even know you did it the first time well i when i did it the second time i realized i had just done it before and i had to hurt like heck for you so i was like grabbing I'll see the second time I realized I had just done it before and that had to hurt like heck for you so I was like grabbing you but I remember like actually like digging my fingernails in and I keep my fingernails short so that's probably why you're not bleeding but I I was like literally like trying to rip the skin off of your body because I was just so excited.

Like I was completely out of control. It was ridiculous. It was very hot. Yeah. Well, it kind of reminds me of when we first got married and you used to have longer fingernails and you would apologize the next day because I would get up out of bed and you would say, what happened to your back? What did you do? And I said, what do you mean what did did I do? You did that. And then you would apologize. I said, no. These are, these are love marks. Yeah. You know, it means it was good. It was like a trophy for me. I'm like where I turned you on so much. You're actually digging your nails into me.

So that's what it reminded me of. Yeah. It was, um, sensation overload. Definitely. Okay. So from your side though, describe what he what he was doing. Well, I mean, he was just really, he was playing with my clit, but he, I don't know, it was like he was sensing, like, the wave I was riding, you know, and he knew when to kind of back off and when to push me over the edge, and then he would say, I know you can do that again. Come on, you can do that again. And I'd be like, okay. Yeah. You weren't complaining. I think you're right. I think I got another one in me.

And then what I didn't realize at the time, but you know, sometimes, you know, I was hitting the spot that normally, normally makes you squirt, but you were sitting on top of me.

Yeah, it it was a very fun evening and that was just one snapshot of it it yeah the end was a lot of fun too and it was so nice because we weren't um well okay so I have to explain that too but but we knew him and we had played with him before so it wasn't that that new anxiety of trying to figure somebody out i mean you know at least we had some sort of a comfort level we all knew each other and we kind of you know know each other's bodies a little bit at least so you so were you more comfortable this time with him in the with like because there was a couple times that i stepped out i would go to the bathroom or get something to drink.

Well, it, uh, it makes me nervous when you step out. I mean, even when we're with a couple, it kind of throws me a little bit like, okay, all right, I'm in here by myself, but it's okay. Cause these are really nice people and we're having a really good time, but it's still, it just throws me off center a little bit.

So when you leave me with a single guy, not that I didn't trust him or I mean there was nothing of that nature but again it's just you you center me so when you leave the room even it's just to go to the bathroom or find a bottle of water change the music or whatever you're doing you're I can't see you and sometimes I don't even like look for you but I know you're there so when I look and you're not there it just you know it it distracts me and it I know and I was but one time like when he was in you missionary I I said I'm going over to the other side I know and I like that because you told me and you were going where I wasn't going to be able to see you because I wanted to watch from back and I knew you weren't going to be able to see me so I was trying to tell you when I was stepping away but you told me where you were going to be so that I didn't lose my focus yes so do you have recommendations out there ladies for the ladies as far as the single guy goes well I I mean you have to find the right one.

And we've just really hit the jackpot. Well, I think people can tell now after this interview. Well, right. They've heard him speak, and they can tell that he's a very well-rounded person. He doesn't take himself too seriously. Ladies, unfortunately, what you can't see is how gorgeous he is., he's very respectful. He makes me feel special. You know, he, he has a way of, um, interacting with both you and I, and he has a lot of respect for each of us, but he makes me feel, you know, very sexy and very special. Um, and I don't know, it just, it just seems so easy with him. Yeah.

And with me, he, I always feel like I'm the number one dog in the room. You know, he, he's not competitive at all. He's very respectful of our relationship. Yeah, he is. And he defers to me. And, and at first I thought he was doing that just out of respect, but really he likes to watch too. I mean, he... Well, he told us that. Yeah, yeah. And he likes to be a part of a strong relationship. And so that's easy for him to back off. But then when you give him an in, he's usually right there ready. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so that was a lot of fun.

Anyway, it was so much fun that last night, yesterday afternoon, we went to a brewery with some friends and on the way, on the way to the brewery, we were talking about the night before and how we felt and how much fun it was. And we started getting into some specifics of what we liked and we got to the turn to turn into the brewery. And I'm like, you have enough room to do a U-turn right here.

could just turn around and go home and have sex yeah yeah you said i want to have sex again so i then of course while we're visiting with my friends our friends i'm looking at my watch thinking okay we gotta get we gotta go to dinner tonight with our family we i want to get you home so we have time to do that so mr jones i mean like we had two beers and we hadn't seen our friends in a long time and they are very, very dear friends of ours. When she says dear friends, that means vanilla. Dear vanilla friends, yes. Translation.

But anyway, we had a lot of catching up to do because we hadn't seen them in a while. So I was on my second beer and I had maybe gotten halfway through it. And Mr. Jones kept saying, are you going to finish that? Are you going to finish that? And I'm like, yeah. I mean, it was good beer. I didn't want to gulp it down. And we were talking. So finally, Mr. Jones reaches over and takes my beer and pours half of it in his glass because he had already, you know, drank his. And then he's like, we got to get going. And I'm like, what? Are we late to family dinner? What's the deal?

Yeah, like you forgot about you telling me when we were turning in there i didn't think you were serious because like the brewery was close to where we were going for dinner honey whenever you tell a man you want to have sex with him you'd better damn be serious i guess so okay okay after uh how many years of marriage i finally figured that out anyway anyway we we come come back home and we had like 15 minutes before we needed to leave again. And I said something about having sex or I tried to pull on your dress off when we were coming in from the garage. And you said, we're going to be late.

We don't have enough time. And then you came in and went upstairs and I said, can you let the dog down? Because I want to let the dog out while you're getting ready. So I fed the dog, let the dog out, let the dog back in. You didn't come down. You didn't come down. And I'm like, gosh, we're going to be late anyway. I couldn't figure out what you were doing down there. We had 15 minutes. Right. So I went upstairs. I walk into the bedroom and there you are with your Hitachi wand and no clothes. And you're going to town.

Well, we only had needed to get the party started I know but you didn't tell me that you were going to do that and I anyway it worked out good because by the time I walked in there I was like one of those I was waiting for you I was holding back I know I was like one of those cartoon characters where it goes pew when I saw you and my clothes and everything like stayed right behind and fell into a heap on the floor and i was on the bed in no time i'm like what is that derndog doing outside why she needs to come in so he can come upstairs so it didn't take me long no and then and then we had to text our daughter and say we're just now leaving home we were like 20 minutes late for dinner i had to make sure i brushed my hair i didn't want to walk in with sex hair so tony that's all your fault i know we relate to dinner all because of you I'll see you next time.

We were like 20 minutes late for dinner. I had to make sure I brushed my hair. I didn't want to walk in with sex hair. So, Toni, that's all your fault. I know. We were late to dinner all because of you. Yeah. So, anyway, it was a great day. It was a very great day. I enjoyed the podcast. Toni enjoyed the podcast. And you kind of just were over there doing googly eyes the whole time. I was not. I apologize. I was really not engaged in that conversation. Yeah. Yeah... you, you kind of just were over there, um, doing googly eyes. I was not, I'm, I apologize.

I was really not engaged in that conversation. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you're, you're probably noticed the sound quality was a little bit different in that section, which drives me crazy, but now we're going to have to get a couple more microphones because we're going to do some more interviews this year. Yeah, I think we are. Yeah. So anyway, thank you for joining us in this bonus episode. And thank you, Tony. Thank you, Tony. And please, if you want to send us an email, MrJones, M-R-J-O-N-E-S, at WeGotAThing, and that's W-E-G-O-T-T-A-T-H-I-N-G.com, or MrsJones at WeGotAThing.com.

Follow us on Twitter at WeGotAThing, and of course, our website is WeGotAThing.com. Follow us on Twitter at WeGotAThing. And, of course, our website is WeGotAThing.com. Anything else before we sign off, dear? That's plenty. I think my face is a little flushed. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're going to have to edit this real quick and maybe not edit this real quick. Just head right back to bed. That's right. Well, we are Mr. and Mrs. Jones, and we got a thing. What's your thing? We'll see you next time.