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You're listening to Swinging Down Under, a podcast about the swinging, non-monogamous lifestyle from two crazy Australians with over four years of lifestyle antics to keep you entertained, informed, angry, happy, and horny. Join our international swinging adventures. G'day guys and welcome back to another episode of Swinging Down Under. This is a bonus episode which means it doesn't really have a stardate, does it Daryl? Yes it does. Oh it does, so bonus episodes have a stardate as well. Everything has a stardate. Okay, what's today's stardate? You have a stardate. Really? Yeah.
Do you want to know what it is? Yeah, go on. Your stardate is high. 17. My stardate's 17? Nice. Yeah. Okay. I don't know what, I mean, it makes you illegal to drink in certain galaxies. From a far, far away distance. No, that's terrible. I mean, if you're going to use a quiet, you've got to get it right. I was doing that on purpose. Were you? Yeah, trademark and all that. I don't believe you were. Trademark and all that sort of jazz, yeah. Oh, gotcha. Okay, okay. It's like choose your own pathway, for example. Like just finding a way through stuff. Yeah. Yeah. In book or movie form. Exactly.
Today's episode is a bonus episode. We actually recorded this. It depends how you feel about it, really. It could be a bonus or you could be like, oh, fuck, not another one. Not another one. That's very true. Thank you very much, Daryl. No problem. We recorded this live today. So for the first time ever, we actually recorded our podcast live through our Podcast Catcher app, and that was for our patrons to join in. Wow, you're really getting into the detail of this one, aren't you? I'm excited. I'm excited. I can hear that.
I'm excited by the fact that we actually managed to record a podcast live. So I enjoyed the conversation. It was something that I was quite nervous and anxious to talk about. What about cramming things in your vagina? About cramming things in my pussy. Daryl, do you want to talk to us about this topic today? What are people going to hear on today's episode? They're going to hear about dirty Kate online fulfilling people's sexual fantasies. That pretty much sums it up.
I mean, I don't know what else you want me to me to add okay so i'm getting the please add something or i'll kill you look there is a few other things in there like talking about the concerns about uh potentially you know the stigmas i suppose that come along with being uh a sex worker you did it for a short period of time dependent on people's definition of course of sex worker but yeah worker, but yeah, you just delve into what that means, and I try to get away from your scripted, you know, very, I'm going to say, regimented slash boring questions into something that people actually want to know about, which is whether you're a pervert or not, and it appears that you are.
Right, so today we get very personal, kind of like always, but even more personal for me, and we do share... It's not personal for me at all. We do share the fact that I have been dabbling in some online sex work. I'm going to say dabbling because I'm still new. I'm still learning the tools of the trade here. I'm not sure you – God, there's so many puns that I'm just trying to walk past here.
And we talk a little bit about my concerns about it, you know, not just the stigma of sex work in general general but my concerns about actually even sharing this with you guys right now listening and maybe the the perception or the the change in your thought of of me as a person in the lifestyle community and so whilst we do mention that in the podcast of course we have so much respect for people out there who are sex workers and this is just my journey of course and and me sharing some of my my concerns my barriers and my own upbringing.
So we hope you do enjoy this episode of Swinging Down Under, really getting very, very personal. Yes, I've been doing some sex work online. I share what I'm earning. I share everything, basically. But if you have any questions about this, drop me an email on the website. I'm happy to get back to you about how I went about it, what I did, what my pros are, my cons are. Just let me know. I'm happy to help you guys if you're starting in your journey as well. Cool. So thanks very much for listening. As always, guys, we hope that you enjoy this episode and we'll chat to you again soon. Ciao.
All right, g'day, guys, and welcome back to another episode of Swinging Down Under. Today's a little bit of a different episode. Why it's different is we're actually going live at the moment through Podbean and through Patreon, so it's a little bit different in that people can, if they log in, hopefully interact with us. So we'll see if anybody actually joins the show, hey? We will. Well, they may, they may not. What are we talking about today though?
This is a little bit personal and I'm going to say a little bit juicy because I think that there is still definitely a stigma associated with this particular topic, and it's something that I am not sure how I feel about actually sharing with the world just yet, Daryl. Really? Yeah, I'm a little bit nervous, I've got to be honest. I probably shouldn't be then. Well, I mean, you know, we do try to kind of keep it pretty honest and transparent here, so it's, you know, it's something worth talking about. But what we are talking about is the fact that more recently I've been a sex worker.
Have you just? Yeah. And what have you been doing? So I recently set up a Chatterbait channel and an OnlyFans account and started doing some kind of sex work type stuff, yeah. That's what we're going to call it, is it? That's what we're going to call it, yeah. So that's my juicy update and information for everybody out there. So I have actually been going live and kind of exploring my sexuality and exploring the world of sex work, to be honest.
And, you know, there is some debate out there as to the term sex work when it relates to things like online performances as opposed to perhaps the traditional, you know, physical aspects of sex work. I mean, what's your opinion on that, Daryl? Some people say that shatterbaiting and virtual play isn't actually sex work and some people say it absolutely is, you know, there's different levels of it. So what's your general opinion? I'm fairly confident that Daryl's opinion will only get him in trouble here, so he might keep it to himself.
There's not really any way you could go that would make that a positive, I think. If I said that I believe that it's not sex work, then I'm going to get beaten up and if I say that I believe it is sex work, I'm probably still going to get beaten up.
So I don't know that my opinion really matters on this because i don't spend enough time involved with sex workers whether it be on or offline to really uh have a have an opinion that's valid i think i mean yeah that's my thoughts on it i don't know that it's that i'm the best person to ask to be honest i don't really spend a lot of time on any of these platforms on or offline. That's actually true. So when you talk about being a sex worker and our interactions with it, I mean, prior to this particular instance, I mean, you hadn't really ever gone on those sites, right?
That's not a fair statement. Tell me your experience on them. I've been on the sites. I've just not really taken, never really found them of any significant benefit to me. They're not online or porn without somebody else around me who's interested in getting more physical. It's not really something that floats my boat. So, I mean, it's something that I may have a look at every now and again and occasionally might use it as a masturbatory tool, but it's pretty rare, if I'm honest. honest. All right so let's kind of run through.
Daryl's going to ask me some questions about this as we're kind of rolling through and if you are listening on the live of course you can text us as well and ask any questions. So Kate's given me some questions here and I'm going to totally ignore them and just get on with what I think everybody actually wants to hear.
so the first question nice eye roll thank you okay so the the first question is um how did you set this up what was the technology to set up the tools and toys so it is actually i'm gonna say it's quite difficult i'm not gonna lie it's actually very tough to why would you lie why would i lie i wouldn't lie it is is actually quite a difficult thing to set up all of this. Now, in terms of getting yourself ready, I mean, it's not just as simple as getting a webcam and off you go.
I mean, the actual Chatterbait platform uses an OBS situation, which is where you kind of broadcast through that, through the Chatterbait system. And you also need to understand how to... What's OBS? OBS is Open Broadcast Something Something, I think. And so you need to understand how to set all of that up. And then the second part of that is if you are using things like interactive toys, you've then got to understand how to set those up and how to link it in.
And on top of all of that, the Chatterbait system actually uses things like bots and moderators and all these other fang-dangle things that you also have to know what you've got to do because that's what everybody's using so i mean you don't have to use those things but certainly if everybody else out there in the market is using them and you're not then you're already putting yourself at a disadvantage by not using them so it's really quite confusing so why do you need to use these bots and moderators what what for the layman who hasn't been on the site before what's what's the advantage of them so what they do is basically have things where you have might have a tip menu so say you're going to spank yourself for i don't know five chatterbait coins and and it needs to roll through that so people need need to be able to say when somebody pays you those five coins then that's when you do the action for it that's basically the the reason for it the other things that it does is like do fancy things on the screen and say like join my only fans and kind of give you that sort of i don't know feel and look to it how long were you how long have you been on for now so i started in early june and i was trying to go online for about two hours uh two two to three times a week two hours each time each session what have, though?
So what I've done is about 10 hours total across the month of June. Okay. And the reason for that is I stopped there. I got like, yeah, gung-ho, like, yep, I'm going to do it. And I had my little schedule sort of sorted out. And then in the end, I was like, this is really tough and I'm not making much money and it's a bit of a waste of my time and you get really disheartened.
And I don't think that I went online for about two weeks there for a period of time and then I kind of got back into it and like hey let's shake it up again and try to figure out how to make this thing work and build a community and everything else. Well that was because of me really wasn't it? So let's share some insight into what happened here that stopped you from being on there for two weeks. What's the reason behind that? Well one of the reasons was I did get really disheartened by not earning any money.
It is quite a lot of your time to not only get ready for the actual go live, you know, the Chatterbait actual session, but, you know, with your make-up and your hair and the blah and shaving your armpits.
To go and spend all of that time and then sit in front of a camera and get quite bored and not have any interaction or any kind of community interaction, it is is boring and it's disheartening now on my second or third day I did start earning you know money and I'm going to use that term pretty lightly because it is I didn't earn a lot of money but you know I started interacting with a with a user who was paying me and I'd come off and I'd go hey you know I just earned like 15 or 20 bucks and I feel good about it and I asked you a number of times if that was you and you flat out said no and that went on for a couple of days there and then in the end a credit card statement came through and I realised that in fact it was you and so that was a little bit disheartening because then I realised that all of that money that I had, you know, earned wasn't real and it was just, you know, my husband.
It wasn't not real if it's coming from me. What's so disappointing about your husband actually being interested in what you're doing and paying for the privilege to watch you do what you're doing? I tell you what, because of the fact that you spent, you spent like 200 or $250 because it is in US money. So you spent about two to $250 and I made, I think $40 out of you or $50 out of you. So after you convert that back over and then Chatterbait takes their amount of money and everything else, it was disheartening.
So the next question is though, would you do those things for me if I paid you $50 to do them here on the bed for me? I mean, can you give me $200, what you actually spent? Well, yeah. Would you do that though? Yeah, I would.
Well, what's the difference between me paying you online to do that and me paying you offline to do that because you lied about it okay well yeah I mean that that's something that certainly caused a little bit of drama around this for us is that obviously my mistake in in lying about it rather than just telling you that it was me straight up which I think probably would have upset you just as much given that you would have thought that we were wasting money on this or I was wasting money on this but you know it is what it is now and we've worked through the other end of it so this was all done as a singular right so it was you rather than us have you made any friends along the way no not really so on chatterbait so I set up a Chatterbait and I set up an OnlyFans and on Chatterbait you get followers, right?
And I think I've got about 125 followers. And to put that into perspective, some of the broadcasters that are on Chatterbait have like 20,000, 30,000 followers, some 5,000, you know, kind of it's varying levels. And so, no, I haven't really made consistent people that have come back into the room. But you've been on for a total of 10 hours. I've been on for 10 hours yeah. When you start a job yeah the first day yeah it's not normally the day you learn everything.
That's very true and this is one of the things that I find particularly interesting is it it takes time it takes time to build up a community and it takes time to earn some money so that's one of the things that i knew going into this but certainly sitting in front of a camera being bored out of your brains for 10 hours not great i don't okay so let's just establish some um understanding here bored out of your brain how many orgasms did you have in those 10 hours um let's say five bullshit fiveshit. Five or six. I call bullshit. Five or six.
You had an orgasm just about every time you went on camera, and in some cases you had two. Yeah, it's amazing what will happen when you're sitting there. So it's not five or six, definitely not. Okay, well, what do you want to call it then, mister? You could call it 10 at least. Okay, let's call it 10 then. So an orgasm an hour.
Sounds like a pretty good payment plan hey it might be i don't know so yes so the reality i mean that's on shadowbait and then on only fans which is a membership based type platform where people can you know subscribe for a monthly amount of money and then you can put up there whatever you want you know i mean there's there's i've got you know i think about 17 people on that particular platform now the thing about this is and if you go on youtube right now and you type in like you know how to make money on only fans there's so many youtubers out there and there's a really popular one that i'm now following on instagram who said you know i made three thousand or four thousand dollars in my first month on only fans and she said no i didn't even go naked or do anything you know explicit and she's like i showed my feet every now and then.
I did this and I did that. Now, whilst that is an element of reality, that particular individual had a very big following existing already on social media and was marketing the hell out of it on social media. And I just want to make sure that if you're out there and you are thinking about starting to Chatterbait or to OnlyFans or to whatever that you're doing, unless you already have a decent following and then you publicize it and you get followers that way, it is going to take time, guys, because I actually, I didn't tell anyone I was doing this.
Nobody out there, I didn't associate it with Swinging Down Under because I didn't want people who are already in our community to then come across on these sites and that would give me, let's say, home court advantage for a bit of fun because that relates to the recent YouTube we did, but it would give me that advantage and I wanted to start off as if anybody else out there in the world would start off which is at ground zero and so I just yeah just thought I'd mention that if you guys are out there and you think about starting it it's not going to happen overnight guys.
Again not really a surprise to to anyone I think well certainly wasn't to me in terms of the amount of time that you spent on there versus the the money you made from it.'s like anything else, like any other job, like any other business, it takes time to start it and get it moving. And frankly speaking, the fact that you were actually making money, not necessarily turning a profit, but making money was a surprise to me in the first month. Well, I mean, that's probably something as well.
When you look at this as an individual who's doing it you can be quite disheartened quite quickly because you look at that and maybe you have expectations or you know maybe you have desires or wants or you know whatever you place on your value of your time because that's the big thing here what did i make this is i'm actually going to share this so on only fans in one and a half months or so of using only fans and keep in mind guys i'm currently in the top the global users for OnlyFans. So this amount of money I'm about to tell you is going to blow your mind considering I'm that high.
And there's millions of users on OnlyFans. I earned $350 US in one and a half months through OnlyFans. And through Chatterbait, a whopping $98 US for my 10 hours of work, which is $9.80 an hour. And yeah, that's all she wrote, folks. So again, you're not going to become a millionaire in the first month if you don't already have an existing base. Yeah, that's not really a surprise either. I don't think it is a business after all.
That's what you're running it as, and it takes some time to build the foundations of a good, business now some questions from my side what wouldn't you do on these sites or what how would you transition this potentially to a live meet for one of your fans that's a good question and we actually so how this all came about is i mean i've been thinking about doing this for a number of years but there was a very drunken conversation one time I remember in Bangkok and, you know, these tend to happen in Bangkok. You get very, very wasted. You're up at like 12 midnight, 1 a.m., 2 a.m.
and you're at the bars and we started to talk about, well, hold on a second, in the swinging lifestyle we go off and we have sex with people and we do that because it's pleasurable and it's fun and it's everything else.
So what would be the stopgap or what would be the issue now, tr moving that over into perhaps you know some face-to-face sexual play and you know dara was asking me all these questions and i sat there just dumbfounded i was like well you know the morality of it and blah and what if the other person's married and i don't want to be involved in that and then in the end it just got broken down into i don't know like what what is stopping people it is our own internal you know problems with it i guess and and i think there is an element as well of just of feeling like it's a very intimate act and it's it's you're using yourself and really what value do you place on that yeah yeah so okay so coming back to the original question what wouldn't you do what wouldn't do you mean face to face with somebody no what wouldn't you do online online okay question one question two what wouldn't you do face to face what wouldn't you do online?
Online, okay. Question one. Question two, what wouldn't you do face-to-face? What wouldn't I do online? I mean, there is elements of role play online, like people can request certain things from you, and anything to do with like rate play, definitely not.
Anything to do with like age play, you know, pretending to be underage, like anything to me that would feel, one, illegal, and then two, really outside of my comfort zone, and those sorts of really aggressive things definitely fall into that now i know that those are actually really high in terms of people's fantasies out there and there's a lot of people that would be asking for that and there would be some some people out there who would be happy to role play those circumstances it's just not for me and what would i do face to face i don't i don't know like i don't know i've never really thought about it and really been amongst it.
I think that... Because you've already had people say that they're hoping that you would travel through their region or if you're back in Australia, for example, they're hoping that you'll catch up with them. So what does that mean? What does catch up with them mean?
In my mind, catch up means have a drink like in my mind in their reality it probably means hey like you're already you know on this idea of like virtual play like let's just move to the bedroom for reals for real time but in my head yeah i'm like oh they just you know like want to have a drink and like say hello which which we would actually do with any of the swinging down under listeners or people who contacted us or you know people on dating sites we would go and have a drink with so you know would i have a drink with them yeah sure i guess so like i don't think that there would be anything stopping me necessarily yeah so why does that feel why does that sound like it feels more i don't know because we meet the people we meet it's almost an element of creepy or anything else we meet them online anyway generally we don't necessarily know them we don't know i don't know because we meet the people we meet it's almost an element of creepy isn't it anything else we meet them online anyway generally we don't necessarily know them we don't know their families we don't know their background so what you're saying is what's the difference i don't know i don't know babe honestly we look for single men regularly when we travel we try and find single men here in singapore as well yeah i suppose there's just it just it feels like hold on a second you've seen a very intimate part of me already and now we're seeing face-to-face, whereas the opposite of that, seeing people off a dating site, you're fully clothed the first time you see them.
They've never seen anything, so I don't know, maybe it's that. I don't know. We tend to do sexting as well before we catch up with people, so they tend to see some photos of you or photos of us. Listen, stop asking me hard questions because it's really tough to answer. Yeah, this is why I wanted to get away from your questions that you've got over here, which are very, you know, they're very scratching the surface and very, very, well, actually not even scratching the surface. You want to dig deep. Well, I mean, I want to understand what the difference is when it comes to the term sex work.
That's the underlying here. And I think there's a stigma that I'm trying to break through and understand why there is a stigma. Why is this an issue? It actually relates really good to a question we had from Honeyspoon here on the live chat as well. They asked, what is an example of something someone's asked you to do? Right. So, I mean, that's a good question.
It kind of really relates into what you're talking let's let's get into the nitty-gritty let's break down the stigma and everything okay so for my 450 that i made in a month and a half on being online what was some of the things i was asked to do um put a butt plug in definitely were you asked to do that or did you volunteer that no i was asked to do at that time at one time but you did volunteer at once as well yeah because i was so this is the interesting thing i get bored and I'm like, fuck it, I'll just put a it that time. That time, but you did volunteer it once as well.
Yeah, because I was... So this is the interesting thing. I get bored and I'm like, fuck it, I'll just put a butt plug in, whereas most people would be charging for that. Like, you've got to give me some coins and then I'll put the butt plug in. So I feel like there might be a flaw in your business plan. I think there's a definite flaw in my business plan. Look, I'm not, you know, look. I went into this to experiment with myself and my sexuality and I came out the other end going, huh, yeah, it is quite hard.
So other things that people ask me to do, there's a lot of foot fetish out there that exists in the world and so oftentimes, and by the way, I'm not a contortionist, right, people, but in front of a webcam, you get asked to like show me your arsehole, show me your pussy and also can you get the feet in the photo as well and like video and and then also can you use a giant dildo on you at the same time like you know it's just like and also juggle apples like it's just there's a lot going on and there's a lot of foot fetish stuff yeah a lot of like butt stuff just generally like you know be down in the doggy position people are interested in anal yeah that's a shock to me yeah i think it's a point of view thing too like you know if i was going to be doing your doggy like do that a lot of dirty talk a lot of people asking me to dirty talk a lot of the time and and more recently a lot of like larger implements as well like where's the biggest dildo that you have where is that i want to see that i want to see a video of that or you know like show me that or put it in or do whatever.
Like there's been a recent interest in larger items, I would say. And you've been skirting around that because you've not gone anywhere near the two largest dildos we have in our house. I'm not going anywhere near that motherfucker. No way. Yeah, I'm not surprised. That is, like, that's a joke toy, I swear to God. No, no, I'm fairly sure there's people using it on Chatterbait right now. Man, there probably is. I will actually take a photo of the two dildos that Daryl's talking about because they are so big. They're actually bigger than my arm right now. They're bigger than my arm.
So what else? What else have you done on there? Feet you covered, yes. General day-to-day stuff is... Day-to-day.
Okay, the day-to-day of online sex work online sex work let's go oh jesus you know so here's here's something i knew that i was going to be super impatient and i knew that i was going to get very tired very quickly of needing to do my hair and makeup and i knew you were going to have an orgasm and finish within an hour each time yeah it's just anyway uh day-to-day stuff so you get ready that takes like an hour and then you finally go online and generally everybody has these interactive toys. So you've got this toy that you've got to insert into your pussy straight away. You've got to do that.
And then you've got to – You don't have to. You don't have to but, again, I go back to the fact that if everybody else out there is – Yeah, but not everybody else is.
I think you've – Not everybody else is but, again, there's a difference between having a point of difference and a saleable thing than just going on there when the expectation of the patrons is that if they tip you that thing vibrates inside your pussy because if that's what they've seen as opposed to just you standing there going thank you you know what i mean like if the expectation has been set by the market now which is that you have this vibrating dildo inside of you then that's what the patrons want when they give you the cash you know that's what they expect yeah but i mean you can go all the way to fucking machines that are linked up to that as well so where do you stop i haven't seen a fucking machine linked um you're wrong there is one there is one yeah yeah absolutely that must be expensive it is it's about a thousand dollars so we actually have a cheap fucking machine that you bought from AliExpress and I've seen other I've seen other yes yeah At least that must be expensive.
It is. It's about $1,000. So we actually have a cheap fucking machine that you bought from AliExpress, and I've seen other... Yes, our $400 fucking machine is definitely the cheaper version of the $1,000 fucking machine. I've seen other people use them on Chatterbait, but they do that in privates and stuff like that, as opposed to just live on air. Sorry. Yeah. So let's talk about OnlyFans for a second.
And the reason I want to mention this purely is because i've seen a lot of people asking more recently hey should we start on only fans or a lot of couples on twitter like should we start on only fans you know like hashtag asking for a friend or i've seen the flip side of that which is people getting super shitty about couples being on twitter and promoting their only fans so there's kind of two sides of the table what i will say to you is that only fans since covid hit and since people have been out of work has increased exponentially in um users and in fact in one day back this is back in may in one day in may only fans gained 170 000 new users on the platform quick question for everyone out there can you tell that we've gotten back to kate's questions i just want to mention it because again i just want to point out the fact that it takes time it takes work it takes effort and you're not going to get out there and uh and do this straight away and and make a hell of a lot of money it's it is it is a job so hang on you made 350 in your first six weeks yeah correct that's a fair bit of money 350 in six weeks is is a fair bit of money in your first week you reckon in your first month if.
Yeah, correct. That's a fair bit of money. $350 in six weeks is a fair bit of money in your first week. You reckon? In your first month. If you figure that backwards through tips potentially at a restaurant for a waitress or waiter for a server. Yeah, $350 in tips in a month. Yeah, I get what you're saying there. Yeah, you seem to be making a decent amount of money.
I mean, don't get me's your first that's only your first month as well so leading on from that should you have the potential to grow well here's the thing again i haven't told anybody about this that there's a swinging down under listener right because i i really wanted to keep them super separate and that's what i meant when we first started this podcast and i'm like man i'm a bit nervous hey because i am so concerned and again we go back to the stigma i'm so concerned that there's going to be people out there listening that are gonna be like oh of course kate's now doing sex work what if your parents are listening oh hey mom hey dad try to eat healthy guys you know that sort of thing yeah i think there's definitely stigma associated with it and i think there's a lot of people out there who would go yeah of course that's the next pathway and it makes me feel a little bit like it it could devalue me as a community member a little bit, you know, which is just crazy.
I don't know, but that's how I feel. Yeah, it is crazy. Well, I certainly hope it is, and I'm certainly not worried. Certainly if there's people who have that stand on this in this lifestyle, you know, there's very few people in this lifestyle who wouldn't sit and watch porn and probably wouldn't sit and, you know, wouldn't have an issue sitting and watching live porn as well when it comes to individuals.
So it would be a very interesting conversation to have with somebody if they turned around and said, oh, no, no, we're not interested in you anymore because you've been involved in something online. That would be a very interesting conversation. I'd love to understand the rationale behind that. Jesus, I would...
And the stigma that, if there's a stigma associated with that in the lifestyle then i mean i think there's some some people who need to have a good hard look at their their stigma levels given we're kind of out on the outer edge of what community what the general community thinks of general sex and monogamy and relationships anyway so yeah it would be interesting because i i do think that if we met a couple and we did share that information and then they were like, you know what, we're not interested in you anymore. It's stones in glass houses, my friends.
Well, no, but I'm saying the reaction to that would be I would just duck and run. I would not.
I would just be so ashamed that I would just duck and run and I think you would be a little bit more logical and like okay like explain to me your reasons no i just it's simple for me if it's a it's it's quite hypocritical of somebody to to be wanting to watch porn but not not interested or or find the people who are involved in it somehow interesting somehow ugly i suppose is the best way to put it so you know it'd be to me it's like well what if we fuck in front of you would that be interesting most people in this lifestyle would likely say yes where's the difference yeah you're right and i think that one of the things there as well is that if you go to a lifestyle club it is live porn you know you're seeing what you would see on chatterbait or porn films really just live in a club,'ve paid like i'm in australia we pay $200 to get into the club so that's $200 entry fee to see the live porn you know there is kind of that feels different somehow it feels different the currency of sex work versus the lifestyle it just feels very different and actually honeyspoon just commented as well saying that there are a lot of stigmas associated with the lifestyle outside of the lifestyle.
And 100%, I absolutely agree with you, but there's also a hell of a lot of stigmas even within it. You even take the debate of soft swap versus full swap and that whole big debate, that big debacle out there and who's a swinger, who's not a swinger. And there is a lot of stigma involved in it, but I don't know why there's an element of me feeling ashamed about this.
That's the interesting thing that I want to dig down into so given that you're now not ashamed of it where can people find you i'd know no dude why not i'm still i'm still sitting here ashamed of it what are you talking about yeah that doesn't mean that i'm not going to add it to the end of this podcast i will straight up murder your ass like i i don't even know it's out there in the world babe it's never coming coming back. I will shut the podcast down. Why? You'll just see the problem there is what you're doing is adding to that stigma.
Why are you so embarrassed about this when you understand that it is purely a stigma? I don't know. Apply some logic to this.
I understand that you've been indoctrinated over the years by people, by your parents, by society but don't you think don't you feel wouldn't you feel empowered if you managed to say you know what fuck them i'm okay with the fact that i've done something that i feel is sexy well i mean actually that's a good that's a question there did you feel sexy while you were doing this thank you for getting onto that because actually i the way that i looked when I first started is, okay, I want to explore my sexuality a little bit and I want to almost virtual, because of COVID, hot wife out there.
So be a bit of an exhibitionist because I'm not really known for doing those sort of things. And I thought this could actually help me come out of my shell a little bit, flirt. I thought this could really help me flirt. How did it help you flirt? I actually did pretty good recently. I was very proud of myself. I came out of the room that I was chattivating in and I was like, babe, babe, holy shit, babe, stop, stop, babe. I was just flirting with somebody online and I was pretty goddamn proud of myself. I gotta tell you, I was pretty excited about that. Yeah, that's all.
So hot wifing and kind of exploring myself sexually, yeah, I mean, it definitely opened up a level of, I feel good, this is great, you know, and exciting things like that. Hey, we've got a caller. Let's add Honeyspoon to the chat. Okay. Yeah, see if we can get this working. Here we go. Honeyspoon, can you hear us? Yeah, we can hear you. Can you hear us? We can. Absolutely. Thank you for being our first ever live podcast caller. Well, thanks for having us. We're a little nervous. We're a little nervous. We'll be honest with you. We've never used pod bean before, but. You're nervous.
I'm sitting here talking about the fact that I've been hiding being a sex worker for a month from the world. Shaving things in your vagina. Well, we were just sitting here wondering where we can find you. Exactly. So don't worry. It's coming. No, babe.
for kate i also have um access to all of our online uh systems so well that is the thing too like we've been super transparent with each other so daryl has all of my logins because i'm like okay if he wants to go in there and see what i've been doing or who i've been talking to or that's like i want him to do that and i think it also kind of it's funny you say that you want me to do that and then every time I access it, you get a little bent out of joint. Only because you get rid of my notifications and then I don't know where I'm at. That's the admin OCD.
You're like, oh man, did you go on my OnlyFans account again? I'm like, yeah, babe. Did you answer any of the messages? Did you answer any of the messages? Or did you, you know, I'm like, no, I'm not doing that.
Honeyspoon, do you guys actively watch porn do you get on chatterbait are you part of like only fans like what's your experience with kind of sex work or porn or anything like that at this point i mean yeah we watch we've watched a lot of porn i mean we've watched less porn now that we've been in the lifestyle i think used to love it used to have like what wednesday porn nights you know where we'd be upstairs and pick our favorite porn and watch it. But no, this introduction to this new site that you just mentioned is brand new to us.
I mean, we've used Reddit and things like that, which was kind of how we got into the lifestyle with posting kind of pictures of us here and stuff like that and getting comments and that type of thing.
But no, the live stuff that you brought up today is kind of new for us but uh it sounds pretty exciting yeah it is it is it can be exciting i think and look i mean i've sat here i said like it's boring and you know i get bored but that's something because i don't have anyone following me right now so guys if you actually go on to chatterbait and you sit there and you can you can look at couples couples um rooms or single men or single females or whatever and you go into these rooms and then you see who's like the top performers. And sometimes these people have like 8,000 people watching them.
And then you go into that room to watch. The biggest I've ever seen is 22,000. 22,000. Like it just blows my mind that 22,000 anyway. And you go into this room. Of those though, you can see who's paying customer and who isn't. Yeah. And of the 22,000, I think there were – I think maybe 80 or 90 were actually – People that were paying, engaging. No, no, were people who even had money. Yeah, okay. So I think there's an awful lot of people watching for free, which is not really a surprise. Yeah.
And I would imagine there's also a lot of people who are taking that, you know, stealing the video and – Oh, 100%. I've seen a lot of articles online about people stealing video. Yeah. But so going back to that, some of those big people that have a lot of people in their room have a lot of interaction. There's people talking to them, flirting with them, commenting, asking them to do things, tipping them. And so it's a high energy, high activity. And then there's like me with my, you know, 10 people in my room, one of which has actually got any money in their account.
So, know well one of which is talking to you or talking to me yeah so it's it's actually really exciting to me when somebody actually starts talking to me because then you know i can engage back and it is about building a community at the end of the day so you can actually talk to people as well even if you're not a paying member you can have conversations with people even if you're you can chat i should say you can chat if the chatterbait um i'm going to say cam model if she allows it so there is a functionality where you can or he or they or whatever you can turn it off so yeah so honeyspoon that's kind of a look at at chatterbait i guess and how how it interacts have a look it's actually it is an interesting platform and i can understand why it's going as well as it is as a global platform there's actually a few copycats as well now that have popped up in different countries.
There's MyFreeCams and all sorts of different things out there now. There's another one. There's other ones that are country-specific as well that are supposed to cater more for what the local flavour is, I suppose. There's certainly one in Australia now as well that I've seen. In fact, I think we were invited to get involved in that at some point. Anyway, moving on. Yeah. Yeah. Honey, any questions for us? Great. I do. I have a question. So I'm interested to find out your perspective on how this has changed for you in terms of the pandemic.
So for us, we haven't really exposed ourselves that much to, know being Canadian so we're Canadian so exposing ourselves to let's say more Americans on Cassidy or strangers or people across the country that we wouldn't normally connect with because they're not within our community and of course with the pandemic not being able to to you know connect with people we found ourselves exposing ourselves to other people doing more calls.
I'm not really sure that there is much of a difference in terms of connecting with people online and having this engagement, like you're talking about, with the exception of it being, let's say, paid. But has it changed your perspective in terms of doing this because of COVID?
So has the pandemic sort of pushed you in this direction I think only because I had you know we've been at home you know we we were shut down basically from from 10th of January we spent six months inside our house and so with that comes you know your inability to go to bars restaurants really do anything and and during that time we launched our YouTube channel we started started doing different things because, quite frankly, we were like – We're learning German, for example. Yeah, we're actually learning German right now. Why is that? As our friends say, why are you learning German?
We're like, you know, just because. Just because, yeah, because we're bored out of our brains inside of our house. And so I think that with the whole COVID thing, it wasn't necessarily because we didn't have that interaction because, you know, when we're living in Singapore anyway, we have to travel to see people generally. So it does take us, you know, time to get interaction. And that's what we're living in Singapore anyway, we have to travel to see people generally. So it does take us, you know, time to get interaction.
And therefore, we're very actually used to Skyping, Zooming with our friends. You know, not a week goes by that we're not Skyping or Zooming anyway, regardless of COVID, with people all around the world. And so I think it wasn't as... Listen to you overselling your friendship. Oh, I'm so popular. I Zoom and Skype all the time around the world. Oh, my God, all over the world. In fact, there's somebody calling in now, so I've got to go. Basically an international supermodel. Good night. Exactly. Danke. So I don't think there was necessarily...
It's about all that's been learnt at this point so I think there wasn't a big change with the whole COVID situation but I think it was a thing of more time on my hands I've been wanting to try it for a little while to push my own personal boundaries and I just thought you know what I'm going to do it now what better time and so that's basically why i sat sat down and did it i mean do i think there's a difference between you know going online and meeting people virtually and sharing photos and that sort of stuff i mean when you say it like that it's well no there's not a difference the difference is currency you know um so shit i don't know guys like why is there such a stigma and why am i even personally as somebody who's been doing this now for um you just over a month, actually having problems with it?
I don't know. I can't answer that for you. Yeah, it is an interesting thing from my side to watch this float through Kate's head as well, seeing the difference in her around when she's – so for starters, when she's online, she actually does, you know, play a part.
There's a part you're playing there as well it's not necessarily who you are it's like kate 1000 kate turbo 1000 yeah there's kate with a look because you you know we've established throughout the podcast flirting is not your jam generally no it's not even my peanut butter i don't know what it's not even close to that it's definitely not my honey so with that in mind it's it's interesting to see kate talk dirty online um flirt online and those sorts of things and and see us i suppose what i perceive as something that's below the surface actually bubble up to the surface because that is there and it has i think there is an element of that actually coming to the surface now in our relationship outside of what she's done online and it's kind of driving some changes in terms of what you're looking for now as well when we have sex which is interesting I think though there was an element it's challenged some boundaries for you, I think.
It has. And moved them. I was about to say that. So I walked out the other day of the room and I came out and I was like, I was just talking so dirty in there and I just don't know how I feel about it. I don't know. And it was funny because Daryl was – and actually, so you can record yourself as well. And so I did record a little bit and I sent it to Daryl on WhatsApp. So we're sitting in the same office right now.
This is where we work and play and podcast and everything else and we don't play in here i sent this to daryl and i said here's this i want you to go and watch it this is what i just filmed and i'm sharing with my only fans and it was like a it's a it's a come instruction video so it's me playing with myself and then telling the other people about me wanting them to come so it's a come instruction video is what they call it and i said i don't want you to watch this around me though like i want you to almost like go into a different room like hide your shame go into a different room and have a watch of this because i can't even watch you watching it i'm that nervous like i'm so it's so funny and he was like what are you talking about and he had to go into the next room and and watch this video it was hilarious which is a video video of Kate getting herself off with a vibrator, which happens, you know, regularly in our bedroom anyway.
So it's such a weird mindset shift. Okay. So I have a question for Daryl then. So what was your reaction to that? Did you see a different side of her? Was that a turn on for you? Well, given we're a hot wifing couple, this is a turn on.
Most of this a turn on for me anyway and that's part of the reason that kate's given me access to the different locations to see that interaction and to see you know for me to get a little bit of a fix from that as well which you know makes it interesting when she turns around and says have you been on my only fans account again and i'm like well yes i have because i find it i find it sexually gratifying cut a man some fucking slack so um yeah there's there's an aspect of that that i find very interesting um the so certainly the having seen kate open up a little bit and be a bit more sexual because again kate's version of flirting is very very different to a lot of people's versions of flirting it's it's like flirting light honestly you know where I'll be like we we'll we'll catch up with a couple for for dinner hey we've been over the floating thing and it's just it's interesting to see that you know for me uh flirting flirting toward the top end starts to involve some touching and i don't mean anything anything in terms of petting or anything like that just like touching yeah and for kate it doesn't at all so i'm sitting here she's like i'm totally i flirted up a storm to see her online now and some of the things she's doing and some of the things she's saying it's very sexy to see a different side of her and as i mentioned it has some of it has come back to our bedroom as well which which is also sexy i mean there's some there's also some negative potential to that as well and certainly some of the things that i've been evaluating is well why is it that that you wouldn't have done this with me previously and now you are is there other is there other things driving that you know that's a i think a natural reaction as well and it's something that i'll continue to grapple with but generally overarching yes it's very sexy and it it in general makes me horny and the idea of kate being online while i'm sitting in an office you know 10 meters from her and working on my everyday work and she's in the other room cramming things in her vagina he did he did actually watch one day too so he he logged in and was watching me and then i i came out of the room i think i was having a break or i got pissed off or whatever i don't know what i was doing.
And he was like, what are you doing, babe? Like, how's about it? And just bent me over the sink in the bathroom and we just had sex right there. So, yeah, I think there's definitely been elements where that virtual hot wifing almost has driven Daryl to. That's a good sign. Yeah. But, I mean, my wife is my favourite porn star, right, and now is the first time I've seen her actually being a porn star. So rather than... That is almost like me saying I've got so many friends around the world that I'm Skyping with them every day, babe. Bring it down a notch, not a porn star.
Well, you know what I mean, though. Like, it's the first time I've been able to see you actually relax and play out. I think there's some fantasies in there for you as well that you're playing out that you don't feel comfortable in playing out in in general popular surrounding because of this potential for stigma yeah that's true so the short answer is yes it totally works for me thanks for that no problem all right so we've got another person trying to actually dial in so we're going to shift over over to Halligan. So I really appreciate all of your questions, Honeyspoon. Thanks, guys.
I'm going to drop you off the call list if I figure out how to do that, and then we're going to try and bring Halligan in. Thanks, guys. Lovely to talk to you both. Thank you. Some of the other things that have come out of this that I found interesting is that historically it used to take Kate about an hour to get ready for anything. Yeah. And how has that changed?
I have it down to a fine art about an hour to get ready for anything yeah and um how has that changed i have it down to a fine art now i'm getting ready in like 30 minutes like hair and makeup boom i think 25 minutes actually i did get ready in 25 minutes but uh yeah my i'm i'm averaging it at like 30 so that was that was pretty goddamn good i think we have to be careful about bringing that over into your everyday life though because i have to say the makeup the makeup you wear online, I don't know whether you realise this, but it is actually a little bit more gaudy than what you would wear in general public.
It is because apparently you need to do that because of the camera. I don't know. It's all a bit crazy. So we're going to see if we can add Halligan in here. But yeah, I agree. I think there's definitely, you know, it has to be a bit over the top for the camera. So we'll see. Halligan, we've got you on the line if you can hear us and if you want to see if you can say something to us. Good morning, good evening, whatever fits. How are you today? Doing great, thank you. Very well, thank you. I tried to get here as soon as I can.
The second job I do ran a little long, so I appreciate you fitting me in. No problem at all. Not a problem at all. Now, do you actually watch any porn or do you get on Chatterbait or OnlyFans or anything like that, Halligan? I am on Chatterbait and I do have a couple of – I do follow a few gals on OnlyFans. There you go. So you're actually a person who's engaging with it. Here's a question for you then because you've dialed in now.
I'm sure you've got one for us, but I'm to ask you one first when you're looking through that and obviously induction by fire i know yeah how's about it when you see all these thousands of people online what in your like what actually makes you click on their profiles because honeyspoon earlier said they've never even seen it you actually actively use it and pay people so when you're scrolling through what what sticks out for you what makes you want to click on someone's? The first thing is looks and maybe a little bit of a description.
And if I've heard of them before, like OnlyFans, if it's somebody famous, porn star or whatever, I'm curious to see what they do, that kind of thing. So that's kind of the first thing that hits me. I might click on them and watch them for a while and see what they do.
And if they keep you engaged and that kind of thing and i'm not much for chat i'm sorry chat in some of these it's it's uh sophomore at best you know and i yeah you know i i just usually turn it off and just donate a tip here and there and yeah yeah just kind of watch so it's interesting you say that that you'll jump in a room and then jump back out because some of the things that i've definitely experienced is you'll see people flipping in and out very quickly so people will come and they'll look in your room and you'll go to say hello to them so say it was honeyspoon dialing for example honeyspoon will say like honeyspoon has joined the room and then you'll say like oh hi honeyspoon and then instantly they'll be like no not for us and they'll flip back out again so sometimes it can be a little bit bit like even as you're going to say welcome or hello to the person that's just entered your room, and obviously the people that are performing with 8,000, 20,000 followers aren't probably doing that.
I'm doing it because I've got like 10. And, you know, then they jump straight back out again, and there's a moment of like, oh, they didn't like me. That's sad. But it is down to sexual preference, personal preference. You know, you want to see something in particular, and if that person's not giving it to you, then you jump in the next room and find it, right? I mean, there's no shame in it, but it is a little bit like, oh, look, somebody new. Oh, they're gone already. God damn it.
And I'm usually the one that's hiding in the background that's enjoying the show but trying to think of something intelligent to say. But by the time I think of it's you know it's way past the point moved on and sometimes the chat scrolls so fast that it's i'm there to i guess watch and not look at the chat you know and that kind of thing so yeah you get a lot of people like that um i did not know you were on OnlyFans. Well, we're not telling – this is the thing. I haven't told anybody. This is the first time we're even talking about it.
And to be honest, we wanted – I wanted – I've separated it very much from the podcast purely because I wanted to start on the same foot as everybody else, but also, yeah, there was an element of me like going, oh, I don't know. I don't know about this. We'll see. She's still scared, so I'm under strict instruction.
i release it on this podcast she'll kill me so i'll release it after the podcast don't worry and not before i make sure that the uh the insurance is up to date if you know what i mean halligan hey that's quite the leap i gotta give you credit for doing that that's quite the uh bold move for life or better term term so well it's a really big change as well given kate's history you know her her family history was very very sexually dismissive so there wasn't any sort of um discussions of sex or porn or or you know healthy sex life or anything like that as she was growing up and you carry a lot of baggage from that yeah and then sometimes like I said the other day when I was being a little I would say like dirty slutty and I walked out of the room and I was like wow I was just I was just so slutty there that was crazy you know I just I just was doing all these different things and so I think one of the pros really is is exploration of yourself and actually really understanding what it is that makes you comfortable what it is that makes you sexually interested um those sorts of things you know uh do you know how do you want to explore yourself a little bit more so that's definitely a pro of that is the exploration of self and sexuality the the virtual hot wifing is is another great one and you know it did lead to us having some fantastic sex recently you know on a number of occasions and and actually one of the times when I turned around to you and I was like I want you to talk dirty to me there's been a lot more ramped up dirty talk in the bedroom lately and more recently I was actually saying I want you to dirty talk to me you know and and that you know that was really a big turn on for me the cons it's not cheap you know it is expensive it's not easy i'm i've got here kate is impatient because absolutely that is damn well true definitely impatient in that regard and um you've got to get thick skin too you know i had some somebody in my room the other day come on and say you're very pretty but don't like your tits another person came in and said um i had a meaty pussy which i think was supposed it was actually a compliment that was a compliment they were and actually daryl was watching at that point in time so he knew it was a compliment i bump in every now and again just to just to check out the feed and make sure that things are actually running okay there's a few times i've come in and have realized that there's things going on like your camera is constantly refocusing which was annoying as hell and i'm sure it was annoying for everybody so so yeah there's a few times i bump in and just have some have some uh just to make sure that it's going okay yeah and so when when i got the meaty pussy comment he did mean it as a compliment but equally equally i i was like oh god that's that's pretty out there like that's that is that rude is that a compliment god i'm gonna you know how do i feel about it do i do i feel bad about it and so i walked away going i'm not so sure i knew he meant it as a compliment but equally i don't think saying that a woman has a meaty pussy is a very good compliment i gotta be honest with you look i i think if it's meant as a compliment it's meant as a compliment that's true you you don't have to accept that yeah so that's kind of uh i guess a little bit of insight into into me doing this will i keep doing it no idea no idea i don't i don't know only fans i i'll have to keep up because for a little while because of the fact that some people have bought like a three-month subscription as opposed to a one-month one the chatterbait go live stuff like actually performing live is definitely more time consuming and definitely gets you less financial gain if that's what if that's what you're in it for however it does it is more engaging in terms of being you know a little bit more sexual and seeing where you can really push those boundaries you know what costumes are you going you going to wear?
What are you going to do today? That sort of thing. So I don't know. We'll see if I will keep going live or not. I think it would be a matter of just when I feel like it, to be honest. Oh, really? I don't know. So you're out now. You've done your six weeks and you're done. No, I don't know. You know, I don't know.
I think we'll kind of see how this evolves and whether it does feel the other thing too is you know one of our concerns was was it going to take away from my sexual appetite was it going to take away from it or was it going to increase it you know what's the answer to that in your in your response i think it's i think it's definitely increased it a little bit in terms of being being feeling more sexy you know there is an element of like getting dressed up and and putting on the sexy clothes it's kind of almost the same feeling when you're about to go out on a date to be honest in the lifestyle the swinging lifestyle it is that element of like okay i'm getting pretty i'm getting dressed up like you've got that anticipation of the of the date like what if it goes well what about that you're starting to think about the touching you're starting to think about the sex and so I think there is definitely the similar kind of emotions running through you when you're getting ready to go on cam when you are on cam because it's that I feel sexy I I'm interested in this and I want to be in my skin and I want to experience all these these fun exciting slightly taboo things that you also get from the lifestyle yeah I wouldn't say that it's increased your sexual appetite maybe just the breadth of of your sexual wants would be a better way to put it because it's not that we're having sex anymore than we were prior to you know and and uh i wouldn't say that there's a there's a big change in volume just a change in how you how it's how it's happening perhaps okay which is actually good anyway because it's a nice shake-up, right?
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, something different, something different is never a bad thing. Yeah. In fact, I mean, that's part of the reason we're in the lifestyle, right? Just to shake things up and to explore a little bit more. And to have something different, to be able to have something different when that's what we're looking for.
And that has been, I think that's been definitely a pro of this as well is the fact that you know i have walked away learning a little bit more about myself which is always my intentions that's always my intentions i always want to learn something about myself and push some boundaries and understand a little bit more about especially my sexuality you know especially growing up in some of those um you know some of those family situations where you know you aren't to express yourself very much.
And so this is a great way to really learn as what is it that makes me excited and just feel desired and what is going to drive somebody to want to flirt with me or me want to flirt with them, which is something I've really realized recently as well is that, you know, that whole desire aspect is definitely part of what I like about the lifestyle.
You know, feeling desired is is fantastic it's it's a really nice emotion yeah I'm not surprised that's I think again something that most people find out of lifestyle is an advantage all right guys well I think that's about it we're going to wrap up today's podcast I really want to thank everybody who did join us on the live chat today our first ever one thank you very much for that much appreciated hope to see you again soon yeah and listening to me kind of share something that i was a little bit nervous to share and thank you very much everybody for being um so kind and not stigmatizing it i really appreciate it okay so i guess with that we'll shut it down and say thank you all again and thanks to everyone who's listening after the podcast is released rather than live hope everybody's safe out there all right thanks guys bye hey guys so i'm about to go live on chatterbait for my first time ever this is the first time i've done any kind of like virtual chatting any kind of like um sex work really and so it's exciting but it's also extraordinarily nervous it took a few days to actually figure out the system how to get everything to connect i've got a number of toys that actually connect and that took a lot of time so i thought i wanted to document my experience my plan my goal is to go live on chat about 16 times in june and then after that kind of have a goal of making about a thousand dollars so that's my goal I'm interested to see how it works out extraordinarily nervous you know I don't know if I'm gonna be like body shamed or like not make any money or not have anybody join my group I don't know so we'll figure it out and I just wanted to really share my experience with you guys so I could kind of document this first time so I'm going to document document my entire month.
It took me like an hour to get ready, which I didn't really factor in, so there's that. And I think I'm probably going to get, that's probably the first thing I'm going to actually get sick of doing as we kind of go through this month of June. So I hope you guys enjoy following me on. See you guys later. If you're looking for more ways to interact with Swinging Down Under, you can catch us on Twitter at Swing Down Under. You can also catch us on Instagram, Swinging Down Under, or head over to our website, SwingingDownUnder.com.
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