Have you ever wondered how swinging couples transition from a swingers date to sexy fun in the bedroom? What about when the full swap is exactly how you hoped it will turn out?
In today's episode we're sharing some of our recent experience with a slightly awkward transition we had on a swingers date.
We will also dig in to some recent sexy full swap with another couple, an MFM threesome date that didn't quite go to plan and finally Cate gets personal with something she's nervous to share!
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G'day guys and welcome back to Swinging Down Under. This is episode 112. Daryl? We've moved on from the stardate. We're now talking in scooches. This is scooch number 73. Legitimately trying to get the toy off the dog because she's making a ruckus down there. I don't know if you can hear it. She's going to make more of a ruckus if you try and get the toy off her. So we're on the scooches. It's like trying to get a toy off you. Jesus. That's true. So what kind of, what is, what scooch level number? 73. We're at 73. There's no actual measurement for Scoochers. It's purely hypothetical.
Fantastic. So today's topics, guys, it's kind of a podcast in three sessions. We're going to talk about transitions and a recent one that perhaps didn't go to our normal way that we transitioned to a swap. Oh, like our exceptional standard that we normally achieve. Yeah, and also buy the course for $9.95 and get a free set of steak knives. We're not doing a course and there's no fucking free steak knives. I know, we can't afford them legit. We'll pay for our steak knives. You'll pay for them. And then we're going to talk about a recent full swap that we did with a new couple.
Maybe that we had, not that we did. We did, we had, we enjoyed, you know, we salivated over. We did sounds like a little bit more forceful or something. Okay, yeah, we forced them to have sex with us. Whoa. I'm joking. That's not okay. And then we're going to finish up with a recent date with a single guy that perhaps didn't go as I anticipated in terms of the confidence zone. Well, I mean, you just basically blew out the whole fucking story of what happened. It's like, oh, that's it, we're done now. So we've only got two things now because Kate gave away the entire fucking story in the intro.
Thanks for listening. Yeah, cool. Beautiful. Hey, but first, we recently on the last podcast shared some funny audio about a kind of a would you rather situation where I'm basically harassing Daryl, to be fair. It is pure harassment. It happens regularly. And for those of you who've reached out to Kate to ask her if she's okay in the relationship because of my apparent abusiveness, let's just keep this in mind, these little tidbits that are coming your way. Just keep that in mind, okay? Thank you.
I actually thought it was really interesting that we – a bit of a shout-out to LNC, who actually sent us an email saying, hey, I thought that was really funny. Where did you get your questions from? And I was like, honestly, from the deep, dark crevices of my mind. Like, you don't want to go in there. It's a fucking scary place. It's a scary place. So that's where these questions come from. So here we go. I'm going to kick off with our next random set. Thank you. From someone with no teeth? With teeth. You'd rather like have teeth blowjob? Yes. Toothy blowjob? Yes. Like aggressive teeth?
Now you're adding extra adjectives, making it sound worse. So like, okay, well, medium pressure teeth giving you a blowjob or no teeth? Yes, teeth. Okay, teeth, that's it? Yeah. Teeth it is? Yeah, it really didn't go away from teeth. Teeth, that's it? Yeah. Teeth it is? Yeah, it really didn't go away from teeth. Teeth to the win. Good night. Daryl. Okay. If you had to choose between making out with somebody who had really fresh breath but horrible B.O.
or someone who had amazing body od but horrible breath which one would you choose body odor the bad breath fresh breath yeah yeah so if i'm making out with them yeah yeah so taste over smell shagging them yeah taste over smell making out with them okay would that change if you were having sex with them yes you'd rather yes put them in the dog position job done okay point that point that stinkhole away from me it's gross you started it daryl good morning good morning would you rather have sex with a lady with hairy legs or a lady with a hairy pussy? Hairy pussy. Really? Yeah. Really? Yeah.
Tell me about why. Is it because legs are easier than a pussy to shave? No, it's just because, you know, this is going to sound stupid, but hair is, like, more regular on a pussy than it is on legs these days. That's what I'm used to. I kind of get what you're saying, but it's a bit weird. I didn't expect that at all. What are you going to tell her? What are you going to do? I'd rather that than hairy armpits as well. A hairy pussy versus hairy armpits. Okay. All right. You can, if you want, you can save that question for another time. That's right. Thanks, babe. You can come back and ask me.
Did you enjoy the ASMR situation with the microwave there? Oh, yeah. No, that's not, that doesn't fit into the category of ASMR. I was listening to that. I'm like, I'm just going to key that in because it's part of the fact that we're in the kitchen making breakfast. That's how you're going to get rid of it. It's happening while I'm talking to you. You know, I have my, as I said last podcast, I have my ways. But speaking of ways, by the way, we just need to address the fact that this shit happens at the weirdest and sometimes most in fucking appropriate time.
Well, the first one I think was like 11.30 midnight on like a Tuesday night or something. It was late at night. I was already half asleep and you woke me up to ask that question. And we all know, for anyone who knows me, waking me up, dick move. It's going to get you fucking roused on every time. Roused on? How old are you, dude? Older than you, so shut up. You are.
We've already done a fucking age gap fucking old hey hey transitions right over the past i'm speaking of transitions here's my transition says kate actually no i wasn't thinking about it all i was not that witty dude that was a good segue effort thinking of transition let's talk about transitions no over the past kind of six years on our podcast off and on we've given tidbits of information about how you can be on a date and then move to having sex in the bedroom and one of those things is about you know how you position yourself what you do and all the rest of it I mean we recently had a transition that perhaps was a little bit odd I'm going to say it's very odd the oddest one I think we've ever had to be honest and you tell me what you think a normal transition would look like and then I'm going to say it's very odd.
The oddest one I think we've ever had, to be honest. And you tell me what you think a normal transition would look like, and then I'm going to share with the listeners what happened on this particular account. I mean, you're being pretty specific here about what a transition might look like. A good transition? Because that's a very different scenario to what we normally achieve. We go mediocre, but let's say like the gold standard of... The gold standard.
You're on a date and then you're sitting then you're sitting at home having some drinks you know sitting at their place or your place and you're just sitting there and then all of a sudden spontaneously all four people arrive naked in the bedroom you suck at this podcast you suck at it all right so here's what we've told people in the past on the podcast what have we told them you've got to position yourself on the date in a decent location meaning we normally sit next to the other couple right like we try to mix it up a little bit so we don't sit next to each other another thing we don't don't do is sit like four or five meters away from the other couple and i mean if we get somebody with that smelly breath scenario we're talking about earlier then it might be the case might be better one of the other things too is you got to change the conversation from vanilla to something sexy right tell them something sexy tell them that you're interested get physical and then in the end so whip out your huge raging heart on is that what you're saying yeah you can i mean sexy dancing whatever you know something nice i mean just whip it out just like sitting there just undo the fly bang it out on on your inner thigh yeah and then or your upper stomach depending on how gargantuan you are and which way it falls well some people would make this like real for bump sound when it hits the table and then other people it's more like you know what i mean yeah yeah i mean look it's probably more like a a slithering snake sound for me as I roll it out.
Not. Jesus. I had to say that, though. I've got a joke. I've got a joke. You've got a joke. I don't know why. I'm not going to tell it, though, because it's a horrible joke, but it's funny. No, it's probably not. But that's the way that we normally try to do things. There's got to be some level of warming up from having your date and having your vanilla conversation and then transitioning into the bedroom.
For me, there's got to be some sort of warm-up because, and I'll tell you why, I am not, as we have discussed many times, I don't need to fucking get into it again, but I'm not the most cleverest person in terms of your flirting. Well, given you say cleverest, you're definitely not the most clever person. It's probably on Urban Dictionary and therefore it's fine. Oh, fuck off.
It, I'm not the most, person it's it's probably on urban dictionary and therefore it's fine it i'm not the most i don't realize what's going on but honestly you're not the cleverest i'm not the cleverest no there needs to be some level of understanding that play is going to happen and on a recent date i legitimately had ruled out play for the evening because i tried to sit next to him and it was like no no sit next to your partner we tried to get close there was a lot of distance and so in my head i'm like okay this is not going to be a play session and as the night rolled on i mean i think i think the fact that he asked whether we could go upstairs and play now was a pretty good segue well that's what i'm saying though so this is this is why i'm saying it was probably one of the more awkward ones we've had he transitioned the fuck out of that because in my head i'm like oh head, I'm like, oh, it's not going to happen.
And then all of a sudden, it was, hey, cool. But we were literally talking about, like, I don't know, toadstools. And then it was like, let's go have sex in the bedroom. Okay. So, yes, I understand exactly what you're saying. It was a less usual scenario for how our interactions go, for sure.
wasn't it certainly wasn't bad it was just that we we'd left we left everything too late like we hadn't talked sexy we hadn't i had been trying but that's what i'm saying like to my mind as the hours are rolling on i had actually ruled play out because i'm like okay i've tried to sit next to you i've tried to talk sexy i've tried to the conversation from vanilla to something else. It's not going well, so. Look, it's very hard to flirt from a distance. It's hard to flirt from a distance, yeah. Especially if you can't flirt to start with.
Yeah, it's really hard for somebody who can't flirt to then flirt at distance. Which I feel like you might fit into that category, you know. But generally, okay, so transition, transition-wise, what we spoke about before is generally the way that we like to roll we like to get physical closeness you know being able to actually reach out and start those physical connections doesn't need to be you know fingers in pussy but it needs to be can be what could be yet later but it could be you know just the ability to reach out and actually touch somebody's arms, you know, touch somebody's legs.
So you're not just talking instantaneous finger banging then? That's out? Yeah, that's out. Okay. What about if they ask? What about if somebody says, would you mind if I instantaneously finger banged you? I'd say thank you for the offer, but we're still having dinner at a restaurant. It's probably not appropriate. Okay. We're like second course in. Apparently. Well, I mean, you're going straight to dessert. It'd be a pretty good option. Yeah, I found this to be a particularly odd way to transition. So what happened was basically it did, you know, we were quite a number of metres away.
I don't know what the conversion is that for American stuff, whatever. We were quite... Remember yards. Yards. Oh, yeah, yeah. We were yards away. a number of yards a number of meters away i need to convert that to imperial that's a number of yards and it was just a very different weird situation where it went from a very vanilla night into somebody saying it like two three four i think it was two thirty three in the morning it was a sexy night. I mean, it ended the way we had hoped, I think. It was great. It was great. But I think the transition was very odd for me.
And I would have liked to have started a play earlier and I would have initiated that had I actually thought that that was where their head was going. That's good news for next time around is that we can initiate that earlier because, you know, everybody wants to get some sleep.
It was a fucking school night as well i might add i actually asked this question in one of the ladies groups that i was in and i was talking about you know how do you transition when it's a little bit or how do you normally transition and then how do you transition when it's a little bit odd and what i found interesting throughout theme of the replies from the ladies was one for starters is that the ladies always instigate the transition but most of the responses i received were like oh just go to the hot tub or just get down into lingerie or just do Thank you.
the ladies always instigate the transition but most of the responses i received were like oh just go to the hot tub or just get down into lingerie or just do you know whatever these things are and i thought well that's all well and good but the situation that we found ourselves in at their house hang on there is a very serious first world assumption there just go to the hot tub i mean come on folks shit let's be realistic here there's there's a smaller minority of people that own hot tubs out of everybody who's out there so you know let's just keep our shit in check what do you think should is that is that okay bob well the first time i actually aside from going into the jacuzzi and our secret spot like the first time i saw a real person with a real hot tub on their own was America because you just don't have them in other countries.
Well, that's because in other countries it's too fucking hot to walk. Can you imagine having a hot tub in Singapore? Actually, we live in a fucking hot tub. But it does seem quite luxurious. We live in a huge, huge, sweaty fucking hot tub with six million people.
Just ponder that image for a a second for everyone out there to have your own hot tub is quite a luxurious item i think as well well i mean certainly just having the room for a hot tub here is you know what a thousand dollars a square meter yeah true true enough a thousand dollars every nine square feet come on you know that's it's a pretty significant investment but i'm gonna i'm gonna read you some of these these responses that we got about the transitions. I'm just hoping nobody checks me on my fucking conversion to Imperial. That's a real concern for me.
S said that as for the transition, I just get naked. Very blunt. Did you happen to get her number where she lives? I can tell when my guy's dying to get his hands all over the other lady, so I just decide that I'm going to get naked. She usually follows. I like her attitude, babe. And then it's all on. Well, that's because nobody wants to see it. I mean, every woman who's been in a long-term relationship has seen a dude swing his dick in the wind after getting out of a shower, right? Nobody wants to see that. Why is there wind inside your shower, though, for real? What do you mean?
Because the shower's still on. It creates small gusts of wind you're full of shit yeah carry on you know what i mean i mean let's just be frank here the first time you put a strap on what was the very first thing you did with it what's your point my point is that i think it's just for me certainly a lady getting getting naked is something that's somehow more appealing than the idea of me just walking out into a room naked. I think in the vast majority of cases people would look at the lady and go, oh, well, she looks amazing, even if they're not into women.
Whereas if a dude walks out with his cock swinging or, you know, or hard, it's almost like an unrequested cock shot or a dick pic. It seems more aggressive if that's where you're going. Yeah, I think that an aroused female form versus an aroused male form, cis female versus male, I think that there is definitely an element of a little bit more aggressive just purely because of that hard-on because it's just a bit more in your face.
Quite literally, it can could be literally in your face okay so let's move on so kitty said hot tubs are probably the easiest transitions yeah absolutely naked and get into the fucking hot tub everybody yep exactly everybody starts making out sounds uh sounds amazing okay so um lll said our first time was at the. We all moved to the play area and sat on the couch talking and they moved closer and swapped partners. So again, it's kind of where, what we tend to do. I think we probably should have been a little bit more aggressive in terms of just saying, Hey you, you're sitting here.
I'm sitting over there. I tried to. And then she was like, no, no, you're going to sit there.
But what grabbed me was the fact that in most of these situations, people expect the women initiate play true true or false i think unfortunately it's true yeah and you think that has to do with what why why do we why do we expect the women to initiate play some some reason an unsolicited pussy shot is less i mean it appears it's less less bad than and i'm not going to say it's good it's less bad than an unsolicited cock shot which means an unsolicited naked man is somehow more worse than an unsolicited naked woman i think for me i think it's about the fact that people haven't especially men they are very worried about overstepping boundaries being seen as the aggressor being seen as misogynistic or whatever the case may be and but yet everything i've just said would fit fairly squarely into misogynistic as horrible as that sounds but that's the truth of it i mean it shouldn't be seen as any more aggressive it shouldn't be seen as any more you know any less tasteful i don't know i just think i think just getting nudes a pretty big step i mean that it could you're really setting yourself up for a coin flip there well it also depends on the environment that you're in because where actually are you i mean are you at someone's house is there other people in the house are you you know like where are you actually positioned to just derobe and get nude you know at our place fine no kids got dog fine but there's no one to actually see us weird every time she sees another another like kitty out in the wind yeah so i thought that was an interesting transition for us so to kind of wrap up the transition side of the house i mean you guys you've got to get close to somebody you've got to let them know your intentions i don't think it's an appropriate or right or interesting or sexy thing to just get to a certain time of the day and go are we gonna fuck you know i think there needs to be some build-up there needs to be some interest yeah i think spontaneity and just kind of that animalistic point of view of like hey let's fuck could be fun when you just get home to the person's place but doing it after like four or five hours of sitting on a veranda is yeah it's a letdown.
Yeah, we have plans. We have plans. We're going to do something very rude very soon to people we know quite well. That's what's happening. Yes, if we ever go back to Australia. Oh, let's not inform anyone of the... Or Ireland or Greenland or... Greenland? Iceland? I mean, shit, fuck it, we're hunting whales and eating their blubber. All right, let's move on to the full swap. So we're going to take a quick break and we're going to come back and we're going to give you guys a recent story about a full swap, the first couple that we've done a full swap with since New Year's.
So we'll be back in a second. And we're back. And we're back back so this is the first full swap that we have had with another couple since new year's does that not blow your mind it's now august yeah i know this filthy fucking virus is really messing with my sex chi it is the biggest cock block Actually, yeah. I mean, we need a t-shirt saying COVID-19 cock blocker. Cock blocker of the year award? Cock blocker extreme. COVID-19. It might not be of the fucking year. Keep in mind, it might be more than one year. I know. Just can we all just do the right thing and get rid of the virus?
So let's talk about the full spot that we had. So I'm going to go first. I want to do a recollection of my moments during this fall. the virus. So let's talk about the, the full swap that we had. So I'm going to, I'm going to go first. I want to do a recollection of my moments during this full swap, because there were many and very different. And one of the things that kind of stood out to me was the fact that she was trying to explore a little bit more and he was really encouraging that. So she only owns, I think one or two sex sex toys.
And he was really about, you know, how can we all together help her explore her sexuality a little bit more. And throughout the evening, you know, I was engaging with her, but also wasn't too sure how to push the boundaries. So I'm going to pause her for a second. I'm going to talk about him.
And then I want to roll back to her when kind of you talk about your experience daryl some of my experiences with him first of all hard as fuck the entire time we're having sex that is like good for you dude that has been a while yep i mean it's uh it would seem apparent in a room full of sexy women starkly clad but it's not as common as people might think yep he was hard the entire time and that was the first time that's happened in a while in terms of and it's pretty rare for me to have that kind of that just that guy that was hard i just wanted to keep going and going and fucking very very rare so that was one of the things that was a highlight for me well yeah i mean i mean that's can be a highlight or it can be the fact that your you know vagina gets totally beaten up and this is what i i mean i wanted to end on this but he never actually came and he wanted to keep going and at this point in time i don't know how long we're playing for but it was super early in the morning and it was just one of those things where it was like hey i've come you've come like we've all been playing for a while and he just wanted to keep having sex and i mean to the point where like sweat was dripping off our bodies yeah but i mean it was it was very nice to watch from where i was sitting he was um he had you very pretzeled for a while there which was cool and this was what i was going to say the very sexy the amount of positions that we went through him and i was i know i feel actually a little bit i need to step up my game it was probably the most amount of again transitions in terms of play positions that we've been in for i'm going to say like two years i need to step up my game it was like i was watching a porn a porn happening like live in front of me with people like changing positions every three minutes but without the requirement for lubricant i might add there kate it appeared that you were very self-lubricated uh to a point we applied like twice but yeah i think that's probably due to the longevity of said erection but yeah it started with a face sit actually so he really wanted me to sit on his face and I think that depending on the couple this can be quite a interesting move because not a lot of people tend to like the face sit and he was all about it so I remember he actually pulled me I think I was kissing his stomach or kissing like I was just just generally kissing on his torso and rubbing him and then he did the whole like lift up and over and sat me on his face and then was licking my pussy for I don't know how long like 15-20 minutes it felt like forever yeah I mean I'm not sure it was that long but yes it was quite a while you did seem to enjoy that yeah it was really really good and this is the whole side of the fact that it was just a lot of transitions later in the evening though something i do want to also mention was the fact that i was sucking his cock and he is the first guy who has told me he liked teeth yeah look i don't see that as as as uncommon as i think you might see it i see it as uncommon because nobody's ever asked me that before yeah that's i think there's a lot of men out there who might be interested in that who would never ask and here's what i want to say ask a bitch if something's going down on you and you want something you want them to grab your balls you want them to so what happens if they look up at you and go oh you're disgusting so that's that's a concern that most people have is that you probably shouldn't be sleeping with them man i mean what do you want me to tell you yeah don't disagree with that, but it's not like a blowjob without teeth when you're into teeth is when you have to compare that with no blowjob.
Any blowjob is better than no blowjob as a general rule. Well, I think people need to ask for what they want. I mean, I understand what you're saying. Yeah, there is an element of like if somebody said to you, hey, let's bring in a circus elephant and also juggle balls. We need to cut that off there. It's getting a bit weird. You know. But, yeah, so he was a – By the way, I'm the person in charge of the side notes, not you, just so you know.
He, while I was sucking his cock, told me three times, he was like, I like teeth, like give me some teeth, you know, like use your teeth and stuff like that. And for me I was like, okay, I'm going going to use a little bit of teeth. But again, I haven't had guys ask me this before. So I was like, okay, how much is too much? I think this is a pretty sturdy, honestly. I used a little bit. And then he was like, no, no, more teeth. And I was like, all right then, like I'm going to go to town.
And I remember saying to him in the taxi right on the way home, like he asked me to use my teeth and that's the first time in five six years that we've been in the lifestyle that that's actually happened see the interesting thing is though sweetheart is that i don't mind teeth i actually find it quite quite interesting and quite sexy when i'm in the right mood for it it's kind of like well i'm not gonna i'm not gonna compare it to anal but have you ever asked a lady to use her teeth no i've never even asked you asked you to use your teeth. Why?
Again, that whole some blowjob is better than no blowjob. Yeah, I think that's bullshit. I think that's the biggest cop out. Oh, you're copping me out, are you? Yeah, you need to ask for what you want.
I mean, it is bullshit for us to sit here and say that women need to own their orgasms and own their sexuality and ask what they want in order to come because, yeah, women, I'm you right now i'm talking to you on the podcast you need to ask for what you want you need to own your own orgasm and for you daryl the same thing needs to be said if you want a sexual experience you need to ask for it if you don't then that's on you man but hang on sometimes the things that you want that are a little bit abstract you kind of forget about them you know because you get to a point where you're like should i bother and then after years of training yourself not to bother you get to the point where it becomes a very very last minute thought like i haven't i hadn't thought about teeth on my cock until you until this actually came out until this conversation the teeth exist in my mouth?
Like, I don't get it. Well, I mean, we just ignore them. Okay. It's pretty simple. I mean, I'm not sure there's any other way to describe it. I'm going to give you a good transition to talk about her. Okay. So in part of her exploration, I was involved in her sexual, I don't know what you would say.
Like, I don't want to say the word exploration again but then have sexual fun and during this time I was licking her clit I was using a toy on her and I had one finger inside her and why I'm saying I had one finger inside her is because legitimately she is probably the smallest vulva that I've ever dealt with in my life and I was really trying to i was trying i was pulling out all the stops i tried a lot of things i didn't get it to come and that was a little bit of a hit to my ego i gotta be fair because i have you know not slept with a huge amount of women but i feel like i've understood how to get women off you are totally fucking wrong and i was nobody was pulling out all the stops of, like, I've got this, I know, like, I'm going to try this, and then I transition, and I try something else, and then I transition, try something else.
And it didn't work, man. I couldn't get her to come. And so that was my story. So I was, like, I was going down on her. I was, like, licking her clit. I was using a toy on her.
I had one finger in the inside, and I was, like her g-spot nothing worked um that's my time with her so i'm going to flip over to you now and you can talk about yours well yeah i mean it was an epic fail baby totally you were terrible it was terrible to watch i was sitting back and that's not true at all it was amazing to watch and look orgasm is is not the absolute there's a lot of fun to be had without And in fact, we had a lot of fun without everybody coming in this particular event as well.
We had an awesome amount of fun and hope to repeat it any time soon that we can get hold of these particular individuals. Do I need to brush up? Yes, you need to go down on women virtually. I've actually downloaded some virtual porn for you to train up. Just don't get women off the street like, hey, you, come in. I'd actually – no, I'm actually more down for that one. For the next half an hour. I want to see that happen. Yeah. I want to see that happen in Singapore without you getting arrested and thrown out of the country. And that was the last we ever heard of, Kate. Yep.
I still have a job here, Kate Gorn, Gornskis. I had a hell of a lot of fun watching, for starters, because anyone who's listened to any more than this podcast understands that I'm into seeing Kate get fucked. And in this particular case, he really gave you a good fucking. He really did. It was a sturdy, sturdy fucking.
Yeah, there was a moment there when feet were like my legs are behind my head and he was very deep and i was like no i'm like we need to back it off back it off did you actually request to back off oh yeah i did yeah okay okay good for you yeah you know why because i'm owning my fucking orgasm and i'm asking for what i want good for you babe good for you yeah owning your orgasm that's a good thing so anyway i i actually it's been a while since we've played with anyone else i actually it's been since january 1st babe look i don't want to go back to the numbers babe i'm not a numbers man you know that anyway so it was like it's really exciting watching you actually get fucked and we were quite close to each other i mean it started with two cocks in one mouth which you didn't i don't know whether you noticed but because you were you know nose deep and trying to gain an orgasm out of a beautiful young lady and um uh us men were up the other end and she was sucking both of our penises at the same time i did not see that again i was i was like laser focused on her vulva like i'm gonna make this fucking happen for this didn't happen though yeah just leave that piece of silence in there just to get it really across so um it was so that was really exciting to watch so watching you go down and go down on her whilst um she was sucking both of our penises really was that at the same time or was she like going you, then him, then you, then him?
Same time, same time. So imagine two heads crossed over touching each other and like, you know. That's sexy. I like that. Yeah, it was really sexy. I missed out on that. I mean, you did. You did. And there's no way I can take you back to that at all. Well, maybe next time.
Let's see if we can do that next time it was that was really sexy and then from there it kind of progressed where i think kate being the standard woman that she is or standard kate that she is she said okay i would like to have a penis inside me now i didn't do that that was you didn't do that it was him okay so that's awesome because he seems to be quite aligned with the with the k mentality of getting a penis up in her business as quick as possible is that a fair statement not as quick as possible but there's there's got to be an element of like okay i like all the the fingering and the oral play and like the rubbing and the everything else but like at some point just get a cock in my business like put the p in the v you know what i'm saying okay so uh so when round about when that happened i suppose i uh well i mean we were playing on the other side of the room well not the other side of the room but the other side of the bed and just i suppose touching caressing kissing finger i hate the term fingering but you know what i mean all those sorts of things and it it escalated to the point where I think we were ready to go as well and and I actually asked her I think before before you guys had committed to having sex I said to her look would you mind if I would you would you mind if I fucked you and she's like no absolutely that'd be fantastic so we start we started actually after you guys but I actually asked the question.
It's just that I suppose the extra prompt was you guys starting, and, I mean, he started hard, I'm going to say. Oh, there was no, like. Yeah, he maybe eased it in, but then after that. By that point, he was like, I'm going to fuck you hard. Yeah, and he did. Yeah, there was no, like, I'm going to warm up to this.
It was just like was just like okay good here you go yep so um here's my penis and here it is smashing against your uterus yeah and you say that i mean that sounds like a bad thing but you i have to say you appeared to really enjoying that it was lovely yes so um moving on so yeah we we um we started the same started having sex as well it's been a while since we've actually had four-way play like this and we were still close and and touching and there was you know sort of i'm gonna use the term again a puppy pile because everyone was kind of not necessarily sexually involved but certainly in touching distance and touching a lot of he did try to have sex with me whilst you were fucking her and there was that moment where like both the guys are pushing the women quite hard yeah and then it's like kiss you know trying to kiss each other and then it's like i you're trying to kiss but you also don't want to break your own teeth on the other person's mouth because you've got two guys pounding you know what do you so there's that oh i gotcha we got to the point of sex and it was uh really really sexy both watching you and also being involved with her she was she's just gorgeous absolutely gorgeous and as kate mentioned is probably so i had to be a little bit cautious because she is gorgeous but also very uh very quite a small lady is the best way to put it in terms of both her body size and everything that's respective of that.
So it was really a lot of fun. I actually came very quickly, and this is because of the visuals of what I was watching and what was happening. Did you come twice or once? Twice. Okay. yeah so i i had to i had to stop mid-session for a very quick condom change because if you don't do that you this is a bit of information for anyone out there no it slips off yeah your condom will totally slip off yeah i had to make a condom change kind of uh i mean i'm not going to say halfway through because i finished a lot earlier than I should have. I didn't know this.
So I made a condom change and came back and continued. And it was just, it was sexy and hot and fun and all the things that it should have been. So I really enjoyed it. They're lovely. The biggest thing is they're just an awesome couple. Oh, they're so great. Fucking great. They really love them. They're so great.
great it's so good i can't wait to have sex with them again maybe this time around you can instead of you know being say come over sit over here you can say come and sit on my face well okay here's my thing though you can't force somebody else to have an orgasm but in my head right now i don't know if this is like almost becoming a very masculine territorial thing but i'm like i'm gonna make that girl come i'm gonna make that bitch come like is that is that a thing like seriously that's not a thing that's just me you can't say that that's not good that's not even okay it's not even remotely okay well no i feel like she's laid down the gauntlet like and now i need to figure it out like i need to put this puzzle together okay i mean well yeah then that starts with you sitting beside her and having a in-depth discussion about what i'm gonna have a conversation i want to be i want to know how she masturbates what if she says she doesn't then i'm probably just gonna fall on my sword i don't know what do you want from me we're taking a fucking sword there's no room for a sword in a swingers bag all right guys so we're gonna take a break now we're gonna come back we're gonna talk about a recent single break things new to me i mean we're getting too professional dude it's been like 40 50 episodes too professional and take a break we're gonna come back we're gonna talk about um single men and confidence versus anxiety on a recent date we had so we'll see you guys soon so you wanted to talk talk about single man and confidence and how that gets your motor running.
Is this you introing the next section? Yeah. Oh, good job. Okay, cool. Well, I mean, it's not a good job now. You didn't even know it was an intro. It sounds like I really fucked it up. So listen, we did an entire podcast on kind of some tips for single guys, right, and kind of how you could approach a couple in the lifestyle that are a hot wifing couple or maybe looking for a third to have a MFM. Recently, we went on a single guy date, and I want to tell you about my mindset because I want you guys to really get in my mood. Get up in her business. Yeah, get in my mood, guys.
Like, when we left for this date, we had cleaned the entire house. We had, or I had, cleaned my toys, charged my toys. Whoa. Let's just step back a second here and say that we had both cleaned the house. Kate cleaned the toys. Yeah, dude. I'm just making sure that people don't think I'm a sexist pig because, let's be fair, it's not the first time somebody's claimed that of me. Let's be honest.
Yeah, I mean, that's's terrible you're like a dad joke of dad jokes okay moving on so i had charged my sex toys i had cleaned them like everything was ready to go when we left this house i was very much in the mindset of we're going to bring this guy back we're going to fuck this guy it's going to be a great threesome tonight because we haven't had one in a while. So let's set the stage here, though. You had spoken to him quite a lot prior to this and had some conversation that had kind of gotten you in the mood, and he sort of fit the boxes that you were looking for. Fit the boxes. The boxes.
Yeah, so he'd fit your box in the way you were looking for so that you were kind of ready to go. This is first time around. I mean, this was our first date. Yeah, we were supposed to have a date before. It had to be rescheduled. Stupid period. And it just got to the point where it was like, okay, this is our chance to see him. Let's clean the house. Let's get the sex toys ready. Let's get the room ready and let's go for a date. I literally put wine from the wine fridge into the normal fridge in the expectation that he was coming back. Yeah. I mean, we were there. Yeah, that was.
That was my mindset. So when I left this house, I'm like, this is going to happen. We're going to have three since tonight. I was actually surprised because it's really uncommon for you to be that gung-ho when it comes to, like, getting fucked, honestly. This is not you, is it? I mean, please correct me if you think. But this is what I want to be.
So, like, recently, again, as I kind of roll back in the last few episodes i keep saying to you like i want somebody who's dominant i want somebody who's going to book a hotel room i want somebody who's going to be like oh i ordered this wine and it's going to turn up in the room and let's get in laundry and let's fuck like that's what i have been wanting and so in my head i'm like okay i can recreate that type of thing at home anyway long story short get to the date he turns up and again this guy is he's a gentleman there's no problems here he's lovely he's lovely gentleman a nice man what happened was that he just lacked confidence and it could have been because he was a little bit anxious maybe nervous you know all of these things that kind of come because again it's two to one you know starryl and i versus him he's new but it just got me to also first time around that's the other thing you know i think there's a it's a tough situation for a guy to be in honestly it is but this is why i keep saying and that's why we went back to that that did about sickle guys, is have some shit in your back pocket to fall back on, man.
Because if you are feeling not really that confident, if you're feeling a little bit anxious, you're feeling a little nervous. Like some methamphetamine? What are you talking about here? No questions. Oh, yeah, okay.
So what invariably happened is that I think half an hour into the date, Daryl gave me the look of like, meh, spoke about and i i gave him the head shake i was like no so i left this house and i was like we're gonna fuck we're gonna bang and then we're gonna bang we're gonna bang and then i within like 45 minutes i was no it was actually a very early night as well so you really did make that decision early i did I did, within half an hour. Yeah. Within half an hour, I was like, nah, that's it. And I started making excuses for myself.
So that evening, we came home, and I started thinking, okay, well, maybe we can set up another plate. I started thinking that I was in with the chance of getting laid. We can have a bit of fun at another time.
And I started kind of making excuses on behalf and thinking, okay, I'm going to want this i really want this to work out and he's a nice guy like i said before he's a gentleman what i realized though was that i was really twisting my own arm and modifying my desires and my wands based on the fact that i just wanted to have a good time and so i realized as well that he didn't ask me a single question about myself he realized that afterward yeah like days later i realized i'm like why why am i thinking that this guy's not going to be a good person to play with and then i realized he didn't ask me a single question about myself in the entire like two and a half three hours but together so the arrogant the arrogance of me is saying that i knew when we before we got there that there was no way in hell we were coming home to sleep with him.
I mean, I actually invested in cleaning our house, mainly because our house needed to fucking clean because hashtag COVID. It wasn't really, I didn't think that we'd ever come home with him because it's not a you thing. And he was too unknown.
And he turned out that he was too unknown again lovely guy really was but just didn't didn't capture the room i'm sure there's a bit hang on so there'd be other people who were totally into him by the way oh 100 yeah my my my desires and my sexual wants are not yours and don't replicate across of course 100 fuck that's that's why the world works the way it is it's diverse come on dude oh shit my bad moving on but i did ask so afterwards i again i thought about it for a few days and i thought am i just being a bitch am i just being way too picky am i just whatever am i being more bitchy than usual insert a negative thing here and then i was like hold on a second i'm settling and why and it's my vajay joey You your vajayjay it's my vajayjay i mean i was speaking like mine yeah it's my vajayjay it's your it's your peepee i was mansplaining your vajayjay so i was curious about this and i went onto twitter and i said does a shy date equate to a submissive man in the bedroom or can a shy date eventually lead to a dominant man in the bedroom?
I have the responses in front of me, but I'm curious, Daryl, what do you think? Fuck me. I mean, use Twitter and shit for everything. A guy who's shy on a date. Do you think that we can bring him back and one, he can perform and then two, that he can be that dominant man that I might be seeking for that evening?
What are your thoughts think it can go both ways but mostly I think that somebody who's shy might actually be overcompensative when it comes to what they want in the bedroom and may go from what you think is a shy individual into a uber dominant individual you think that a shy guy on a date might turn around and be like way super dominant i do and there's a simple simple reason that i have that now let me reverse it for you somebody who's uber dominant in their work life and in their might want to be a submissive in the bedroom you think they want to be sometimes want to be a submissive i mean if you want to stereotype this would you say that that's that's generally the case i'm going to stereotype my god it's so hot like if you watch that tv show suits where like the really powerful people and then they're super submissive in the bedroom yeah so this is so yeah so this is absolutely a thing but equally i want to be dominated so you know yeah i know get a suit get a table dominate the fuck i mean that's what i want yes really i mean that seems very very um very different to what i would me, that's what I want, yes.
Really? I mean, that seems very different to what I would have expected. That's what I want. That's what I'm chasing. I'm chasing a guy. And again, there's a fine line between like confident and dominant versus arrogant. There's that little tidbit in the middle there of being confident versus sexually abusive. Yes, obviously.
Yeah, I mean, it's because it's, yeah uh yeah i mean it's not that fine line sorry i said a fine line that's really not what i meant but all right so you think that a guy could be shy on a date and be dominant in the bedroom yes absolutely i do really think that that can be the case i want to read you this there's only four i don't know they're totally i mean we've wasted we're going to waste their time. My opinion is the only one that counts. That's so not right. No, fucking my microphone, you don't like it, fuck off.
Four responses that really stood out to me, and some of them are polar opposites, so just bear with me while I respond to these.
But Tinker Taylor from WA, Aussies, amazing, great, they said when we play – WA is Western Australia for those of you out there who don't get the wa reference when we play with a male female male we like the man to be outgoing in public as it is a precursor to some exciting times if they are shy in public we find it doesn't work for us and we need him to be respectful and dominant so they they were like yep no if he's shy if he's shy on a date he's out now i'm out now i'm gonna talk about seymour love real quick before i move on to the final i just want to talk more about his handle seymour love is a fucking great handle i wish it sounds like it sounds like bart simpson yeah you can just imagine him calling most haven i know so i picked i picked four responses on twitter and then two of them are kind of four and then two of them kind of of against um my perception of the shy guy so see more love just absolutely slayed right i tend not to trust quiet people they don't they don't make for a good they don't make for a good time no chemistry building no intrigue no excitement generated lack of fun makes it like it's dental cleaning functional not engaging i feel like they have something to hide and they lack experience.
Boom. See more love. Wow. He really did slay it. I mean, when you said he slayed it, I thought, you know, Kate's exaggerating here, but he fucking slayed it. But again, I got to respect that because if that's your experience with people, then tell you the truth.
And I really, I appreciated that because I thought my concern as well about the shy guy is that they're going to have erectile dysfunction problems in the bedroom but do you think that's hang on I don't agree with that at all because even with our reference data set that's not been the case it's typically been the shy guys have typically been the guys who've performed well I think it's 50 of everybody right so it doesn't matter if they're shy doesn't matter if they're introverted extroverted for my mind i'm like a bit in my head i'm thinking okay if you're anxious here and you're nervous here at at a tapas bar drinking some drinks then how are you going to go on a on a bedroom play date okay so let's talk about the next two so this one's from acdc and we actually interviewed them on our podcast in the age gap couple episodes i go and check that out but they said i'm sure in some scenarios the two equate however i actually think the bedroom is the the shy guy's time to shine i agree i see this being their opportunity to get their freak on and let their freak flag fly absolutely because i'm shy as fuck right babe so i know some pretty quiet guys and once they open up they will absolutely shock you so that's her experience.
Yeah, I tend to agree with her. So you think there's a good opportunity here? I think there's a higher percentage chance that a shy guy on a date will become somebody who's a little bit more funky in the bedroom. And do you think that that would be somebody that would take instruction well?
Well, if he's a dominant, then he would be the dominant he would tell you to off and listen to his penis okay i mean it's like i want a dominant man who will take instruction well um yeah you might have your wires crossed a little bit there bob i don't think i do and the last one the last one i'm going to mention as well is swinging in the rain so do go check out all these guys on on twitter sounds very wet and it says uh well yeah it does sound wet we haven't encountered any truly shy men but rather extremely respectful and reserved men oh it is a bit of a one of those it is a bit of a challenge to engage in chats and flirty banter outside the bedroom but when things become intimate we have yet no they didn't i did i added that that was, we have yet to see anyone that didn't come out of their shell.
Did they use C-U-M? No, they didn't as well. I added that. Swinging in the rain. I love you guys. That was, yeah, okay. So no, I tend to agree. I actually am not surprisingly on the other side of the coin when it comes to what you're putting forward. I think men, I think a lot of people have this expectation of men that they are who they need to be in public when they're around other people. But I don't think that's generally the case. Men like women have spent a lot of their life being repressed in one way or another. Now, I'm not saying it's the same. I'm not saying it's to the same level.
I'm not saying that it's equivalent in any way, but men are also told regularly not to express emotion, not to put women in a position or women or men in a position where they feel targeted. There's this whole fear that comes along with potentially you doing the wrong thing that puts you in a very, very bad space, you know, in a very, very bad space that could ruin your life instantly just because of something that you've intimated rather than actually done.
So I think you've got to be careful here because there's an awful lot of men out there who've been persuaded by society also to not make this, not make any decision around how they should react with a woman until they potentially get them into a more secluded environment. So for me, you know, the idea of, and I've had women do this to me in public where they've reached across under the table and touched my cock. I would never do that to a woman in public, even if I knew her well. I mean, I don't think I've ever done that to you in public. And that's what I was going to say.
So I think that there is an element, and I fully respect it and appreciate it, of the fact that men just don't know what is appropriate and how to act. And in light of everything that's happening lately, you need to be very cognizant of how a woman is going to react or how another person i was wondering whether we'd make it through this podcast without the word cognizant coming in but you know how another person i'm not gonna say woman but how another person is going to react to your your flirtations your flirtations or your maybe it's a fucking dangerous world. It is.
It's a fucking dangerous. It's hard. So in one aspect, I'm like, God damn it, I want a dominant person. But from his perspective, he's probably thinking in his head, well, I need to tread water lightly because I don't want to. Or just tread lightly. No, just tread water lightly because that's what's happening. Well, but if you tread water lightly, you're going to sink and then drown. Not in my world, baby. Okay, sorry. I mean, your world is a very interesting world.
So maybe he's sitting on the side of like well i don't want to offend her that way and in my head i'm like well you're out buddy because you're not being dominant enough i mean i mean there's an easy way to to deal with that and you talk about owning your orgasm having a conversation yeah and you own your fucking environment before you turn up and actually say to the dude hey this is what's going on i'm into somebody who's confident and dominant but not aggressive would that turn them off though or make them even more nervous if he if he's turning up and i'm saying to him here's your set of rules if you've been given instruction about what you what somebody expects of you so if somebody says to me hey can you turn your tongue left um clockwise sorry clockwise instead of anti-clockwise on my clitoris and i go you know what i'm a bit'm a bit nervous to do that.
I might not do that. I'll just keep going clockwise or whatever the one is that she said not to do. You've got to then say, well, okay, that's definitely not the right person for me because not only are they not comfortable enough to do this because our lifestyle is a bit, it's out there, babe.
We're're not standard every day we don't fit into the standard everyday run-of-the-mill type monogamous relationship right so with that in mind you've got to have somebody who's willing to be a little bit out there all right so with that with that again in mind the ability for them to say okay well yep i understand what she wants uh i'm not capable of that. Can't do it. Yeah, true. I'm out. I need to give him the opportunity to actually shine, and if he doesn't, then that's on him at that point, right? Yeah, well, what happens if he's not into what you're into? True.
And you haven't even spoken about that up front. Maybe he's a submissive in the bedroom. You know, he wants you to sit on his face and effectively drown him out.
out i mean the idea that whoa dude what are you insinuating i have like a huge vulva no okay not at all just around the same page pretty much any vulva could drown a man okay let's move away from this no i can't it's i'm i'm fucking in it now do you want to have something else to say yeah absolutely i think it's the the respectful thing here to do is make sure that people, we all chat via chat, you know, some form of chat, kick, fucking pick a platform. We all chat via chat? Yeah, via a chat. Wow. Oh, man, fucking hell, you're killing me.
So we all talk via a chat platform prior to us getting together, right, or just about all, well, for well for us always with that in mind why the fuck wouldn't you say i'm looking for somebody who's dominant who will be assertive but not aggressive in the bedroom or maybe you want aggressive maybe you want somebody who's going to fucking choke you out in the middle of sex no i see you're into yeah why why wouldn't you ask for that the onus is on you to get to you are going to get out of this. I like it. No, you're right.
I mean, I said earlier owning your orgasm, but at this point it's owning your own shit because I need to take advantage and own my own shit on what I want. And if I don't, then I'm my shit. Okay, we're going to wrap this podcast up. Why? We're going so well. No, there needs to be a wrap-up, for one. Is that because people are sick of me? Because I know everybody loves to listen to you. Sit here. Oh, no. People get sick of me too bad. Do they? But I have – I never get sick of you. I have something I'm super nervous to share. Oh, I know what this is.
So, oh, God, actually – This is a challenge because you're like, I can't share this.
It gives me a butterfly'm worried okay so okay guys i'm gonna be i'm like i'm gonna be real with this shit right now so this is some fucking real shit i would not be authentic if i didn't share this next bit with you okay so i've always said that i'm really super sex positive but sometimes when you share yourself and you put yourself out there it freaks you the fuck out it can be super daunting as to what people might perceive you as and how someone is someone who's listening like you guys are right now is going to react but hang on but let's just be let's be blunt with this i'm very much on the don't give a fuck area of the spectrum of this but i think you are much more invested in in terms of what somebody might say um so i'm excited to hear you say this i listened to this i'm going to say like 10 times and oh wow you've got an actual recording you've pre-recorded i holy fucking pre-record batman i cringed and i cut a lot of the um audio out because i was embarrassed and you've got more than one embarrassing thing i'm just curious about which one it is now and i i wanted to share this with you guys but equally i thought hey fyi people you're only fucking three weeks behind the eight ball in terms of when i first heard this so this is where i stand the dog heard then three weeks later i heard and and then three weeks later you heard.
You're actually right up there in the fucking standing just quietly. I don't think that you know what I'm going to say. Oh, okay, go. So recently I was masturbating and I recorded myself masturbating. I'm dying right now. This is so fucking hard for me. This is ridiculous, you guys. Get on with it.
And fuck um fuck me this is super hard i recorded myself masturbating and i wondered if you guys out there have ever recorded yourself masturbating and if you've listened to it because seriously guys i'm embarrassed as fuck and like i said i actually i cut a lot of audio out of this because i just i couldn't man dude you are a loud orgasmer no but even like i was i was dirty talking to myself and i just i fucking couldn't what would you have cut it out no we need that sorry i'm i refuse we either get the full full version or we're not getting any version at all listen i want to know you guys out there i'm going to give you uh let's do a task record i want you to masturbate and i want you to dirty talk and i want you to fucking record yourself doing that and i want you to listen to you don't just send to us but listen back to it i want you to send it to us and just see how you react because i gotta tell you i like i said i listened to it like 10 times and i was super embarrassed i'm gonna play that now please be gentle please be nice because look i'm just a person on the other end of the microphone and that's it i'm just a human i'm on the other end of the microphone please oh my god please don't be me can it happen already oh fuck okay all right i'm gonna hit the button are you ready is it the right button it's it's like a shortened version i'm so embarrassed is it the right.
I'm so embarrassed.
Love button my god yes sitting here masturbating and all i think i think about is like a hard cock in my mouth and one my pussy taking his whole cock into my mouth makes me so wet is that what we didn't even get to hear the orgasm no what's the actual fuck that i mean okay so we need a poll on this did we get shafted by not hearing the orgasm come on man i'm dying over here like i'm i thought it was the really embarrassing thing not this thing i really want to like fucking dig a hole and just lay in it you know that's where i'm at till i bring up the really embarrassing thing anyway um that's me i'm gonna set you guys a task masturbate record yourselves listen back to it and i guess just be one with your orgasm i don't know try to you didn't even get we didn't even get to the orgasm we don't know how whether you're one two three or six through the orgasm i feel like i feel like there needs to be a like a an additional trailer to this after we've finished talking have you ever recorded yourself um orgasming me yeah i'm silent i'm absolutely silent it's it's uh it's it sounds like it sounds like the void of space oh shit i can't even it does i'm i'm silent when I orgasm.
Oh, God. You don't even know when I orgasm. What the fuck are you talking about? Sometimes not. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes not. So hence the silence. Look, I've got to go. I've got to be done with this podcast. So unless you've got something else to say, this has been an episode. Add the orgasm to the end of it, you pussy.
This has been episode 112 of the Swinging Down of of the podcast um i'm 73 i'm super embarrassed uh i hope that you have enjoyed that episode and please do hit us up on our website send us audio all i can think about is a cock in my mouth and a cock in my pussy oh you dude um hit us up on our website send us audio and uh otherwise we will see you guys guys soon. We're doing a live podcast tomorrow, which we're super excited about. And, uh, it's early in the morning. That's embarrassing. Okay. We love you guys. Thank you so much for listening. Ciao.
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