Solo Hotwife Play Date

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Speaker1: You're listening to the Wanderlust Swingers podcast with Aussie hosts Kate and Daryl. If you're curious about exploring your sexuality or the swinging, hot-wifing and non-monogamous lifestyle, you've definitely come to the right podcast. Or maybe you just love travel adventures. Either way, we share our personal, sometimes juicy, sexy stories as well as Swingers Club and event reviews, interviews with other sassy people and of course our global swinging adventures. We try to bring you a look into the Wanderlust Swingers podcast with Aussie hosts Kate and Daryl. the diverse lifestyle that the swinging and non-monogamous community has. We hope you enjoy. Now let's get into the episode. G'day guys and welcome to the Wanderlust Swingers podcast. It's a bonus episode today, 202, a solo hot wife play date. G'day Daryl, how you doing? I'm good. Why is it a bonus episode? What's the bonus? Well, because it's not part of our usual schedule of every two weeks. We run every two weeks. Well, we try to. Except for that time that we didn't record anything for three months. But we do give it a go. Okay. Which rhymed also. It was definitely a rhyme. It's as good as you're going to get me. You are definitely a ho. So I set up a sexy solo hotel date, which almost didn't happen, thank you. From awkward red versus black lingerie talk to a long play session with oral pounding and a cum-soaked ending. Daryl weighs in how he felt, what turned him on, and whether it was reclaiming or just Just raw excitement when I got home, and a listener asked us, if my wife only allows solo play with people we've already played with, does that still count as solo? We just got back from carp. We did. That was our little life update. Yes, we got back a few weeks ago, so it's still relatively fresh. Yes. And? And? We booked a new trip to carp. We did. Are you excited? I am. We're going back 6 to the 8th, so very, very soon. Yes. I'm excited. I looked at the weather though and it's like not as warm as it should be. Yeah, that's because we're getting closer to the end of summer. I shall not fucking hear it. I've already had a panic attack about that like two days ago. This happens every year since we've been here where Kate's like, oh my God, I need to use summer better. And then she spends half of the summer on the couch playing stupid computer games. And let me say I'm a gamer, but these games are stupid. They're cozy games. Which is stupid. So we're going for an extended, We also happen to know another pilot couple who are listeners of ours who happen to be there at the same time. So, I mean, you don't need to tell everyone that he's a pilot because he's going to do that for you. You don't have to introduce them as a pilot couple. Yeah, you don't need to introduce a pilot because they'll do it for you. Yeah. As I continually say, along with doctors, vegans, crossfitters. We also happen to know a UK couple who's going to be there at the same time. So, it's already shaping up to be a really fun vacation and i'm excited to get back to some of the clubs and the pool party and the foam party and just have a really what's your favorite here at the moment what are you really looking forward to probably the foam party at this point i think and i want to go to another club there and so those are my two two things yeah the foam party was fun last time around as well we got a review hold the fun this never normally happens thank you so much for mike like bike uh he's actually an aussie which i always really enjoy but it says i've been listening to kate and daryl for many years as someone very interested in the lifestyle, but otherwise unable to participate due to my partner's disinterest. You guys are absolutely crack up, listened to, and very informative, educational. Thanks for being a driving force for a betterment of everything in the lifestyle can be. Much love. I can rock on, Mike. Yeah, I mean, I agree. I'm a little confused by the, you know, the positive affirmation here, though. A scholar and a gentleman is what I'm going to say about you. All of those things. Thanks for the love, Mike, but let's get into it. It's unusual, though, that there's not at least a, it's just a small for Daryl on the end of it. Love you, Kate. I'm happy. Yeah, I love you, Kate. You're the spare human on the podcast. On the podcast. No, not on the house. No, I think we've made that very good. Let's talk about my solo date. Okay. So let's start with talking about the logistics and the date set up. So I had a hotel meet with a single guy for a potential play date. You picked this guy. I was going to say we haven't. done any of the intro to this at all. Well, I did want to step back and talk about that because this particular gentleman, one, you found him, two, there was barely any vetting, barely any conversation. So my question to you is with that serious lack of vetting process, what made you pick this guy, set this date up and do all the things? I took a look at his profile. He seemed like a decent person. He wrote well. You know, there's not a lot you can really judge people on on a profile if you don't ask them a lot of questions. So, and he had some photos. And he also had some recommendations. I can't remember what they're called, but those things on the side as well. So, you know, for all intents, he looked like a decent guy. And frankly, I am very sick of going through the bullshit of finding, you know, a whole heap of guys, chatting to them all, finding out that most of them are cunts and then having to weed it down to one. So I figured I'm going to try the are you feeling lucky button on the Google machine today. you the top number, the first one of the search. So that's exactly what I did. I did a search, popped up. He was not number one, but he was in that group. And yeah, so I went through his profile. He looked like a nice guy. He looked attractive. He looked like the right shape for you in terms of what you like in a guy. And I just reached out and said, hey, are you interested in catching up? Want to take my wife on a date? Yeah. So here's this guy. And I said, here's this guy. I said, go and you should go on a date. date. And you initially read his profile and you said, I don't know that I'm particularly interested in this guy. But I think that has changed quite dramatically. Well, this comes off the back of our whole conversation about are we talking ourselves out of date? No, it was just that I was getting sick of the bullshit roundabout to try and find people. And frankly, this methodology seems to have yielded as high a standard as the one that involves a lot more work. So for future reference, I'll likely be using this one. They're not all going to be good ones. No, they're not all going to be diamonds. But what I can say is though, you will go out to dinner, you will possibly have a nice conversation or a bad conversation with someone and you'll come home and you'll make a decision and that will be that decision done made versus me going through all the bullshit, getting to the end, then still having exactly the same process. I went out on a date with this gentleman and we went to a bar a couple of weeks back. and had a good evening. Just him and I. Kissed at the end and then had spoken about setting up another time to catch up. Yep. Then we went to carp. Then we went to carp. And then I got a UTI on the last day. Because broken kitty. So postposing the date and then basically. You didn't get a UTI on the last day either. Second to last day. Because it was the day of the phone party. You had to stay out of the pool and the phone because. And then his messages were. this was a date that almost was not a date. His messages were a little bit greedy. And this is just a point of where it's so easy to write somebody off. This is kind of coming back to what you were just saying about the vetting process. You said, because you weren't able to go on a date, why don't you send him some lingerie pictures and like a little kind of apology, but flirting. And so I did. I was like, oh, you know, here's some lingerie photos. Sorry, we couldn't meet up. One lingerie photo. Just to be clear on the quantity. It was, oh, two. Okay. So I didn't see the second one. Two lingerie photos. And his response was like, send me more, basically. Jesus. Or, or. Oh, I know where it comes from. It's like, obviously, he's seeing somebody that he finds attractive and he's like, hell yeah, I want some more of that. Give me that business. And then, but this is my point. It's so easy to go, you're right off. Well, you just have to look with positive intent rather than negative. Very true. Somebody could say, I love you, and you go, but do you? Yeah, well, yeah. That's the negative response. The positive is, wow, that's really nice that somebody cares about me. Does my ass look fat in these jeans? 99% of the time, the answer is yes. Yeah, you're generally not asking because you think they look... Yeah, you know the answer, ladies, let's be honest. Now, so we set this date up. It's at a hotel nearish to our house because I wanted to be able to have it close to home, close to you, and the hotel's actually a nice hotel. I think we should... I think you've missed the whole thing here where you went on a date alone. first time round and also on a date alone this time round without me there. That's right. I'm getting there. I said about the solo date and we kissed at the end. But I think this is like it's not the first time this has happened but it's the first time it's happened with somebody that we've not played with as a group before. You've also never met the guy. I've also never met him. I've never chatted with him. I did sleep with one guy in the past in Miami. I remember. And you've never met him either. But we digress. Part of this was setting up the hotel around the corner. But I also wanted to make sure I was including you. And I wanted to make sure that you were getting something out of this. You were excited about it. And so I came up with a few ways to do that. And one of the ways was to get you around to the hotel to help me set the room up. So setting up the red lights, setting up all the stuff over there. Set up Kate's porn nest to go back to what got us into the lifestyle. Yeah. And then also including you in picking an outfit that I would wear to the date. Yep. And then picking some of the lingerie options that I might later use. So I was trying to include you in there before again, so you could visualize kind of like what was happening part of the excitement. Did that help build the excitement for you? Yes. I mean, you may have forgotten this, but these are the things that I've asked, I've certainly asked you for in the past. When we first started in with single guys is an understanding. And the previous guy is an example. The one guy you mentioned in Florida, whatever it was, that was part of that as well. Also, some updates along the way, potentially. And this is always the last part, potentially some images or video, which is just, it can be difficult. I understand that because it interrupts the scene that you're in. Yeah, we've spoken about including you in some of this because, I mean, this is something that, But I don't think we've ever kind of said, okay, how can we really achieve that? And I think setting the room up, you picking my outfit, you picking my lingerie helps to bring you in. Those haven't been things that we've explicitly said. No, and like packing the toys and packing the condoms and lube and that sort of stuff as well is exciting. It's fun. Yeah. I enjoy that. Okay. I mean, you also tried the lingerie on in front of me as well. Well, I also tried the outfits on because I was like, hey, if you were seeing me for the first time, Is this good? Do my tits look good? Do my ass look good? What's up? Yeah, I mean, look, things that you don't look good in tend to disappear from your wardrobe. Or things that you just don't want to see anymore. They tend to go into the rubbish bin without you noticing. I notice. Anyway, we're getting off track here. So you felt excited. You felt that you were part of this journey. Yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for, to be part of what's going on. To have an insight into what's happening. for my imagination than to fill in the gaps. And I just want to ask about this to clarify for people because when sometimes people talk about that, that you need to feel included, the assumption can be that it's from a very negative place. It can be that you need to feel included because you've got to have control. You need to feel included because you're jealous. Just for people to better understand your position, why is it that you want to be included? So I can imagine how the night plays out, like every aspect of it. down to the size, shape, how his penis slides into, all of this, everything. So it's positive excitement, not negative, controlling jealousy, etc. I think we've established that I'm not a jealous individual. That's certainly one aspect. If this is their first episode, they've got no idea. Well, I mean, if this is your first episode, go back and listen to some others because, you know, Kate's awesome and I get progressively worse. Yeah, I mean, I enjoy the excitement of it. It's not, there's no control. I don't want to control what happens in the event. In fact, this time around, I don't know, I don't think I've verbalized this to you, but I've verbalized this to you in the past with other couples. Just do whatever you like. I'm interested in you exploring anything you want to explore. I didn't verbalize that this time around because I know you already felt that this was something new and was on the edge of your comfort zone as well. We did actually talk about that. I said, do you have any boundaries? Oh, that's right. The question that I asked you and you immediately threw that question back at me like, well, do you have any boundaries? And I said, I don't want to do anal. And you went, okay. Yeah. That's great, Kate. And that's when I said, do you have any boundaries? And you said, no, we're going to have fun. So we did lose. What was the, so your follow up question after that was interesting though. Do you remember what it was? No, I mean, you did give me some goals. I wouldn't say that you. No, right after that statement of when you asked me, do I have any boundaries? And I said, no. And you said, do you actually care about anything? It's a different conversation, but same ballpark. I think that's pertinent to cover here because your response to my positive response was, in fact, do you actually care about me enough that there should be limitations? Don't you think that's interesting? I do think it's interesting. Do you not wish to talk about it right now? No, I think that could be a good segment on an episode for sure. Like when there's evidence or lack thereof that somebody is feeling a certain way, again, by societal norms of how you are. You should feel your partner's off fucking someone else. You should feel angry, jealous, whatever. Yep. Void of that. Societal norm. Like, where does psychology go? It is a very interesting question. So, the date and the play session and the lead up. So, fairly accurate to say that you were excited. You felt like you were in a good position. Yeah, absolutely. I was nervous. I mean, you were nervous the whole way through. I did actually say that to you. I was like, I am very nervous. Which is interesting. Why were you nervous? I don't know. I was kind of having flirting anxiety. Like, would I be good? Is that because you're terrible at flirting? Yeah, obviously. So, I was having flirting anxiety. Not having my wing person by my side is always like, whoa, you know. Not that I super rely on you because I'm my own person and I'm good at meeting people and talking to people, but it's more that you're that level of comfort and acknowledgement. So, there's not having my person by my side. And then also, I've got to be honest, play anxiety. What if I'm bad at sex? Like, what if... What if I'm actually bad at sex? There's always a level of like nervous energy. I wonder whether that's ever a thing. Yeah. So the lead up was getting ready. Do you think you've ever been bad at sex? Yeah. Like forgetting the early, you know, process of learning. I don't know if you're like too drunk or if you're. So you're describing things that are well within everybody's control. Yeah. Just don't do it. Got it. So you were with me in the room when I was getting ready and we. Put in some Benoit balls. We did. Yeah, so I had some new Benoit balls that we hadn't taken for a test drive yet. And I thought... Oh, you mean you. Yeah. Because I have a lot, not a lot to do with Benoit balls. No, you don't. So you actually put the Benoit balls into my pussy. Yes. And I got ready and you sent me away on my date. Yes. And I actually kept those Benoit balls in. Well, I had a challenge. I wanted him to pull, to remove the Benoit balls. Let's talk about your challenges that you gave me beforehand. So one of them was to give him a proper kiss. because I think one of the things that I've learned about you is that if you are less engaged with someone or a couple, then your interest wanes. So to get that back up again, you kind of have to throw you at it. You know what I mean? You're not wrong there because I'm thinking about the times when we've hung out or I've been at a party or something and I'm like, actually, you know what? Let's fuck that couple. And then for whatever reason, maybe it's a missed opportunity. We don't fuck that couple. happens and I'm like yeah no it's kind of yeah that was so last season in the moment it was an in the moment thing I do get that so you gave me a task to kiss him when I first arrived yeah kissing when you first arrived I wanted you to sit on the same side of the table and I wanted you to touch his leg and potentially touch his cock through his pants obviously in when you were sitting in the bar area the other thing or in the dining area and also to kiss him enough during the date to make it obvious to other people that you were together. Right. Yeah. And to take the Benoit balls out in a plate. Yeah, that was the, yeah, this was also on the basis of Kate's comfort in doing that. That was, that's always a pretext to any of this stuff. Yeah. So I arrive, we're socializing in a bar area, kiss him on arrival and he actually. You say kiss, but you properly kissed him. Yeah. So, I mean, this is an important detail for people and me, I might add, is that. The difference between a kiss on the cheek and a proper passionate kiss is two different things. Very different. Proper kiss. Proper kiss on arrival. So we're socialising. Yes. And he gives me a massage oil, a gift, actually, that he handmade. And we're just kind of hanging out and we have dinner and we're talking. So what are the flirty things that you did throughout this? Like you said, you're worried about flirting. So what happened? So we were sitting in a love chair when I first got there. Love seat. Love seat. Okay. Okay, thank you. Not a common phrase that I use. Two-person, two-person seat, love seat. So we're sitting on that when I first arrived and facing each other, but our knees and our legs were touching. So throughout the entire evening, I made a very big point of touching him. Okay. So touching his leg, touching his arm. Yes, I touched his cock, brushed it a little bit. Not like a, oh, you've got crumbs on your pants brush. More of a sensual guide. A little collide. Okay. Did you feel the shape of his cock when you did that? No. Did you understand what was... No, he was soft, so I couldn't really... Flaccid. He was soft. He was flaccid. I couldn't really tell... We're allowed to use our grown-up words today, if you like. I like not... It was the softest... Making a mental note to use... Bag of snow. To use erection rather than hard. You didn't even need to say erection. You need to go that far. Okay. You need to say firm. So firm's okay. Well, firm is not. Well, I mean, so is hard. Hard is okay, but soft is weird. You don't know this? I don't think it is, man. You need to look this up. Oh, yeah? Yeah, soft is weird. So you can say hard? Yeah. Yeah, nah. I don't think anyone's doing that. I think that's true. Nah. Yeah, nah. Yes, nobody's saying soft. Ah, whatevs. So in terms of your question, I'm making... Soft, that is. We kissed a couple of times throughout the night, and I'm being extraordinarily touchy. Yeah. In comparison. In comparison, and making a concerted effort to do so. So stepping up your sluttiness. Stepping up my touching and flirting. And sluttiness. So mingling, kissing in public, whatever. Touching his cock. I mean, this is headed towards sluttiness. You know, it's slutty adjacent. Let's say that. Slutty adjacent. It's reading from the same page. So dinner goes on. Maybe the edges of the page. Yeah. The soft page. At this point, I am in the mindset of, okay, I'm happy to play tonight, right? Because again, that's never guaranteed. So I thought, yep, tonight, happy to play, happy to move on to play, basically. Happy to play, happy to move on to play. So. What are you going to do after this? There were a number of things that occurred. Play? Pre-play. And, but which is funny because later I asked and. Did you have any indication? And he was like, well, when this and this happened, like, there are pretty big clues. I'm going to tell you guys, lovely listeners, the clues right now. Clues. So I was drinking by glass of wine. And then later in the evening, I ordered a bottle of wine, which apparently was a very large indicator that all of a sudden we were going to do something. You were an alcoholic. Probably. He was like, Jesus, woman. Yeah. That's how I would have been. I would have been like, wow, she needs to get this fucking slide. to have sex with me. I need to lift my game. So I ordered a bottle of wine. Anyone who knows Kate knows that this is not any sort of indicator other than Kate's thirsty. And I also... For wine. So I wanted to do this thing that a friend of ours does, which is ask what colour lingerie they liked. This is... Okay. This is on brand for me. And so before we went, part of including you was you got to decide what those two... two pieces of lingerie were. So you took it from my lingerie clinics collection down to two pieces. Your lingerie clinic. Collection. And those are the two pieces I took. Yeah. And so I'm nervous. You know, I'm thinking, okay, how do I make this happen? And the intention of this is to give the gentleman the option to pick which color lingerie he wants to see on you. And you would do this in a very seductive, very flirty, very cool, hot wifey, knows what she's doing, she can't wait to play way. How'd that go? No. I did that Cape way. So I made it awkward. Yeah. So I basically said to him, got the bottle of wine, was that there? And then I looked at him and I was like, so what's your favorite? Do you prefer red or black? And he was like, what? And I said, you know, for black. And he was like, I said, what's your favorite color? And he went, um, I suppose like blue, I guess. I don't really know. Yep. And I was like, okay, yeah. And he goes, why are you asking? And I said, no reason. Just because at this point, at this point, I was like, just bail. It's too, yeah, it's this, you've, you've fucked this up. Exit stage left. Please get out of here. The person with the little cane was like, get off stage, lady. Get out of here. And so I just abandoned all hope of that. Hilariously. Being sexy. Being sexy and sensual. Now the cherry on top here is that I actually didn't even have red and black lingerie on me. No, you didn't. Green and Black? Yeah, I know. Because those were the two colours that you chose. Yes, yes it was. Which I might add was there was a whole lot of work to get to that as well. And I was like, red or black? Why? No reason. How about those red socks? So apparently those were very telling clues about what the next thing I was about to do was. And what was the next thing you were about to do? So I asked him to pay the bill, which again, very out of character for me. I paid the last bill when we went out. I paid for the drinks that we had. This time I actually asked him to pay the bill. Very out of character. Yeah. Very out of character. I was like, hey, do you want me to pay that? You told me that when you got home at the night. The next morning you were like, oh man, I think I should text him and see whether it's okay. I'm like, I didn't even, I don't know whether you noticed the vastness of the silence that came from me at the end of that. When you said that, I did not say a thing. Okay. Because I'm sitting there going, sigh, this is Kate feeling bad about, you know. Okay. So I said, hey, why don't you pay for this and walk over in that direction through that door and meet me in room 10. Yeah. And I pointed across the courtyard. Because you were sitting in the courtyard where the room is, you can see the door, the door of the room from the courtyard. So I pointed in that direction and I said, why don't you give me 15 minutes? you can settle this up, meaning the bill, and then you can bring the bottle of wine too. I gave him instructions and you can come and meet me in the room in 15 minutes. He wasn't going to leave a full bottle of wine sitting on the table. I had to make sure he was bringing the wine because I'd only had a half a glass out of it at this point. So I get to the room and I change into my lingerie. In case you're wondering, I wore the black set, not because it was pink. I was like, it looks better. Not because anyone asked, just because I did. Yeah, because I wore the black and I was nervous. I sent you a video. Yes. So I got back to the room 15 minutes to get ready. I made sure the lights were on. So we had the room set up with the red lights. We had some music playing in the room. We need to fix your phone so that the messages, so you know how to turn off the messages coming through the Bluetooth speaker. Yeah, I do need to do that. Yeah. So I sent you a little video and about me being nervous and a couple of photos. beforehand and in my lingerie. So I sent you this little message again to include you. Which, by the way, I did actually put up on Patreon. So if you guys actually want to get proper behind the scenes and see even what I sent my husband. You want to see Kate losing her shit. If you want to see me sending you a video. Looking nervous. I also did pre, during, so I had lingerie shot and I did a post photo as well of me just like in our bed at night time just with a doona over me. So I've got those photos up. and everything. So before, during and post and my video to you, you can see that all on our Patreon because I wanted to see what you guys thought. Good, I might go have a look at our Patreon because I don't think I've seen some of those. So I sent you this video. So behind the scenes that I'm not even invited. And then begins the long play session. Now you actually forgot one of the other tasks that you gave me. What was that? You said if you do go to the room, I want you to hold his hand and walk him into the... Yes. Walk him into the bedroom. Right. So knock him on the door. I'm in my heels still. I kept my heels on and I'm in a three-piece lingerie outfit. Yes. Which is very different to a three-piece suit. Three-piece suit. So I open the door and I'm standing behind the door. So he can't really see me when he first walks in. He walks in with a bottle of wine. He walks in, clocks me, sees me in my lingerie. and takes a step back, eyes open wide, and just goes, wow, wow, at me. And I was like, at that point, I'm like, yeah, I got a little something, something. Beforehand, I was like, oh, shit, nervous. And then when he did that, I was like. You definitely getting laid. I was like, that's right. That's right. I came here to play. It is one of the aspects of this that I think is positive for you. And I think positive for many people is that other people's a positive reference to you, your body, the way you look, the way you act, whatever the positivity is that they offer you. Although you get that from your partner, or you should be getting that from your partner as well, it's always nice to hear it from somebody else. Somebody who isn't, in inverted commas, required or expected. But it's affirmation from people who don't have a necessity to give you that. Yeah, they don't have any buy-in, technically. Yeah, there's no recording. You don't have to answer. No investment. No, when does your ass look fat in this is questioned. That's what you need to start doing. You need to start asking strangers on the street because those people ain't got no reason to lie to you. So they'll be like, yeah, bitch, your ass looks huge in those jeans. Then begun a long play session, a very, very long play session because we got to that room. This is not a long, long play session by a lot of other people's standards. I sent you the video saying he's getting to the room and that was at 10 p.m. Yes. I got home at 3 a.m. Yes. So five hours in total. Wait, let me just. Yeah, but that's. Yeah, five hours. Well, you needed to kick your shoes off to get past 10. Nah, I used my fingers. Yeah. So. But the play session didn't last for the entirety of that. There was some chatting. Some massaging, some this, some that. Yeah. So this is not all just fucking from start to start. So you've now had the rundown, which before I tell the listeners I'm going to try and bullet point this because, again, there was a lot that happened, so I don't want to give the play-by-play. But we had a debrief. It was the morning after because you then had to go away. Yep. Tell me about the play session. Well, I think, okay, so being very honest, the debrief this time around was much better than some of the other debriefs that you've given me in the past because you have played solo, I don't know, five times, six times. something like that no idea with generally with couples that we played with together or whatever so it was much it was much much better because i just did the calculation in my head okay wait wait take a short one you know again hold on anyway so you've had some feedback in the past some fairly honest feedback about the way you explain these sessions yeah i was like and then he gave me a good dick in and then i came home yeah i mean that wasn't even it that was less than that i had voiced my expectations on this. And I think you met the expectation pretty well, actually. There's still some things that could be done better. I mean, if we're going to provide a review here, it's still probably a three and a half star out of five, just on the basis of a few things missing. Granularity is what I miss in terms of, you know, using now business jargon. The debrief was really quite good. You gave me a good understanding of what happened. You sexied it up a little bit, which is the thing that never used to be there. You just used to give me the dot points like this. this is what happened, this is what happened, then this, that was followed by this. It was like sitting through a fucking PowerPoint presentation of your sexual exploits without any emotion or lust or anything, you know, sexiness in it. This time around was not like that. It was a lot, lot better. You offered some good insight. You told me what you really enjoyed about the play session. You also told me some things you didn't enjoy. You gave me some detail on what actually happened and how it made you feel, although I still had to ask you a few times. on that as well. Like what were the sensations. So that was nice. I liked it. Let me share what happened in the play session. So there was an exceptional amount of oral in this particular play session. I would say throughout the five hours we were in the room together. Yeah. I would have said that there would have been at at least 45 minutes collective, if not an hour, of oral. Maybe 45 minutes, actually. An hour stretching that shit a bit. Like my pussy. Fucking hell. Oh, my God. And you thought my joke was bad. That was terrible. And one of the things that he expressed to me was how much he likes 69. Yep. Not my favorite position in the world, but, you know, I'm down a clown. So I got up and I was on top of him and we did 69 for a little while. But he was a very enthusiastic, very affirmation words, kind words. Like, I can't think of the... He was giving me a lot of compliments on my body. Thank you, Jesus. They're the words you're looking for. Affirmation seems to be stuck in your head because I said it very early on. We got there together. We got there together, listeners. You saw that play out in real time. Was there any positive affirmation? There was a lot of body compliments. So he was complimentary? Yes. One might say that would be... All right. Websters. Excuse me, I'm Oxford. Okay, whatever. Whatever. You don't even know the difference, do you? Rogues, not... Whatever. What? Are you trying to say... Oxford, not rogues? Not brogues? Brogues. We're getting off track. I'm talking about someone licking my pussy. I can't believe that you're... Do you not want me to talk about someone licking my pussy? Yeah, but you need to understand the difference between fucking Oxford and Websters. You've got to know. One's English and one's American English. I know. Okay, I'm just checking. All right, good. Fucking hell. Back off. Brokes. Broking. It's a thing. Look into it. Pussy. Yes, back to pussy. 69. Very complimentary about my body. And your pussy. He was. He actually, I did, I forgot that, but now you mention it. This is why I need to debrief you straight away because then you'll know. Actually, I just need to take notes. I'm pretty sure, yeah, just take notes on the back of your hand while this is happening. Said that I have a pretty pussy. Yeah, very complimentary was licking my body. So licking my tits, licking my stomach and stuff like that. Again, that's a pretty rare move. That's why I'm mentioning it. Like that's not common practice, common play. Sensually licking you, not like a dog going. We also were giving, he gave me a massage with the massage oil that he'd actually handmade. So that was really, really lovely. It was at that point that I realized, oh, that's right. I went up a weight class in our personal training session and my shoulders were I actually really fucking sore, but crack on. Not a weight class, just weights. Yeah, weights. Oh yeah, because weight classes means it, yeah. No. That's not what happened. This is why it's important to use the Oxford Dictionary. I increased my weights for my lifting, which I do at personal training, and therefore I had sore shoulders. Correct. Would have been lovely to have a full-on proper massage, but it was actually really, really nice. If only there were organisations out there somewhere that you could send them somehow money. and then they'd give you one of those massages. So while he was massaging me though what I had expected and didn't happen and I voiced this to you and your feedback was next time you just need to ask for it. I was expecting him to get a little bit sensual with the massage. Touch your pussy. And touch my like I was expecting him to go from my shoulders down my back and start around touching my ass and he did that a little bit and then I expected him to like. Inner thigh. Inner thigh. Upper inner thigh. And then like oh no. Lower clitoris. And then lower clitoris. And then upper clitoris zone. That didn't happen. We maneuvered around. So he was actually quite the gentleman in that he didn't do anything that he hadn't seek approval for, nor had you asked for. Explicit permission. I know. This was also before the oral, obviously, if I hadn't mentioned that. You hadn't and it wasn't obvious. Okay, fine. This was before the oral. This is how we kind of got in a play session. Oh, I should actually mention, I fucked this up totally, before any of this. So we're sitting in the room. This room actually has. This is like watching one of those movies about time. It's just fucking horrible. It's like, where are we now? What is going on? This room had... I think you just broke the fifth wall rather than the fourth. This room had two rooms. One room... This room had... It's fucking hell. Sorry. I'm trying to tell... I'm trying to tell a sexy story. Were they curved? Did they curve over the top of each other? I am trying to tell a sexy... Was there a castle in between? I'm trying to tell a sexy story. You're fucking it up. I'm not doing anything to mess this up. Get on board. No. On board. You know what? You have to explain the room set up to people because it is important to the storyline. And then there was a door and then there was a sink. Can I do this real quick? You walked in from a door into a small hallway that had the bathroom in it. On the right hand side was a bed. Then there was another room through a door on the left hand side that had another queen size bed in it. That's me done. Okay, and that second room was where the lights and everything were. And I had that door closed. Yes. So after he arrived and he gave me the wall, I held his hand and I led him into the bedroom. I poured him. I really fucked this up. Actually, I just bounced all over. I was like, oh, and then we got it. I led him into the main area and I poured him a glass of wine. And again, more body compliments. And at this point, I was like, yeah, I'm a bad bitch hot wife. So then I was kind of feeling myself. So I was like, oh, yeah. So I did like a little slow little turn in my heels, like so I could see my ass and stuff and appreciate me. So that happened. I was high. I was high on compliments. I'm like, give me, give me more. If I turn slowly, like a ballerina showing my ass, then maybe he will give me the more compliments. Then I was just savage for compliments. I was like. Ballerina turns are really, really hard, by the way. Just, just throwing that out there for any of the ballerinas listening. I know that this is not something that Kate should just be. throwing around. Sexy story. So then I, we sit there for a little while, touching each, just rubbing each other, just, you know, with laundry on. I have a question. Are we in 1985 now or 1965? You're done now. I can't help it. So then we're sitting there for a little while and then I'm like, okay, enough talking, enough kind of flirting. It's now time for play. So I, again, I get his hand and I lead him into the second room, open the door. It's the red lights. So he had no idea that whole other room was there. Surprise! You really wanted to say surprise, didn't you? Yeah. Jazz hands. Pulled a rabbit out of my hat. So they had this whole other room set up and I think that that was a really nice, again, from the dinner to in there to having the moment to then having this other space. Like that was the ultimate. I think if we're ever going to do anything like that. It was a nice transition. It was a really nice transition. Massage. Oral. Finally, we are back to where we started. Yep. They did not collect $200. So lots of oral, 69, playful fun. And then we go to have sex. Well, how did that happen? Penetrative sex. How did that happen? Oh, you know what? Benoit ball. Fucking Jesus. Sorry. And at one point I said, hey, I have something in my pussy and I would like you to pull it out for me. And that was kind of my way of like, can you please take my panties off and let's like do some stuff now, you know, for the massage, like it's great. And he was like, yeah, I've got all night with you. I want to take my time. I don't have to be anywhere until 12 noon tomorrow. Keeping in mind, it's like maybe 11 p.m. at this point. So I'm like, you might not. It's like there's a peak where I will go to sleep on you. And it happened two hours ago. Yeah, I'll be shutting down. So he's like, I want to take my time with you, which again was really lovely to hear. I was ready to fuck. I understand that. Anyway, let's move on. So, okay. Can you, for the love of God, check your fucking notes and make sure you're up to the right spot? No. He pulls the Benoit balls out. Yes. He slides my panties down first because I still had. Are we still not able to do this in order? Jesus. What a shit fight. Hey, thanks for hanging around with us, listeners. Yeah. He pulls my panties down. Yeah. Pulls the Benoit balls out and then puts them in his mouth. Mm-hmm. When I told you that, you'd be like, hell yeah, that's sexy. And this is when the oral happened. We go to play. Wait, did you think that was sexy? Yeah, sexy. We go to play. He has some issues getting hard. Yep. That's fine. I tell him no worries. Get out of your head. We sit there and we're doing more oral drinking. It's fine. I think it's good to explain here as well why this was likely the case. Because I look like a fucking pro. Look at me with my red lights. I'm wearing lingerie. I don't think that was the primary reason. It was certainly part of the reason. I look like a prey. Yeah, but you would have offset that with your inability to tell a story in any fucking distinct timeline. What's your favorite color? Blue. Fuck, I don't have blue lingerie. I'll just mix the black and the green. That'll get me blue, right? Isn't that how it works? It isn't, just so you know. Anyway, so I think it's important to say that this was his first time playing in a non-couple environment, right? With another... was in a relationship with somebody else. So he's only ever been with single ladies till now. And you asked whether for the second date I should be invited to that as well. And he actually said, could it wait? I'm not yet comfortable with that. Which I think was actually a pretty good response from him. Yeah, he made it a little bit sexier than that. You know, I'd like to have you all to myself. Yeah, of course. But I think this is... Because he knows how to flirt. This is based on how to flirt, yeah. What colour do you want? Your steak, pink or black? Yeah, how do you eat your steak? Why? Oh, no reason, lingerie. So we then continue on, more oral, more playing around. Later he then says, can I fuck you, doggie? Absolutely. Puts the condom on and starts to proceed to give me the most pounding of pussy-pounding era sex I think I've ever had. Yeah? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Long time, absolutely pounding my pussy. You would have loved it. I would have. I'm loving hearing about it for the third time. You would have absolutely lost your mind. You would have absolutely enjoyed this. And then we play, we're doing that for a while. What's a while? I mean, I just want to see what he's like attest to his stamina now because that is a serious core work. After play, I actually got him a glass of water. He was sweating profusely. Yeah, I'm not fucking surprised. I mean, I think a lot of, I really enjoy this when women put a strap on and start fucking another woman. They're like, my God, this is so hard. Yeah, this is not. Pussy pounding. And then later, flips me back over. I'm on my back. And. Continued. Pulls the condom off. And then. Sidles up onto you. Sidles onto me. He's on top of me. I start giving him head again. And he. Squeezing his balls. Really likes his balls being played with. So I'm squeezing his balls, playing with him, sucking him. And then he starts masturbating on top of me. And I'm sucking his balls underneath him. While he's. Masturbating, I'm not going to say furiously, but certainly with intent. With intent? As in he was in a tent or? Yeah, he was intense. Intense, got it. And then explosive cum all over my chest, my neck, my face, and a little bit of my hair. Yeah, I mean, that last little bit's just a small dig. It's like, oh my God, not my hair. Yeah, why? But yeah, so it was, yeah, that's, nice way to finish I think and I came home and asked you how you were feeling I was actually going to immediately get in the shower and yeah and I'm like what the fuck and no way and you know no you get in here first and we get some sexing on before you get in the shower yeah so you asked me come play with me and I said great but just so we know be gentle she can't I walked home like a cow you can't she can't do another pounding session so you got to be gentle thankfully it was like a three to four second operation from my side I'd been hard basically all night. A lot of people talk about reclaiming when your partner gets home. Was this about reclaiming for you or was this about excitement? It was excited energy. And I mean, you asked me during this, can you, do you still, can you smell him? And I could still smell his cologne on you. That's all sexy to me. I like that. Yeah. When you were fucking me, I did actually say like, oh, I'm pretty sure I smell like him. And you were like, you do. There's a reason I asked you not to shower. So no, that was really nice. And it's, I mean, there's energy there as well. No, I don't feel a need to reclaim you. We've gone, I mean, we've had sex with a couple where you've been with the guy and then the next day or the day after I've gone on a work trip for two weeks and we've not had sex for two weeks after that. I don't feel the need to reclaim. I don't think, well, there's two reasons. First is, I don't believe I have a claim. I'm not gold mining here. And the other one is, I firmly believe you'll always come back to me. So I don't need to sort of put that stake in the ground or that stake in the pussy. The lingerie, the red or black lingerie. So it's just more about excitement. It's just excitement, fun. I mean, so post you having sex with someone, I can feel a difference in your pussy. Like I can feel that it's a different shape. I wouldn't say bigger, smaller, you know, it's just. Well, you said that after I had the monster dildo inside me as well. Well, yeah, but that's because. Yeah, that thing may have stretched you out a little. And I would say that was the case with him as well. So you actually, you were stretched a little or still relaxed a little from, because you mentioned to me, you didn't mention here that he was more girthy than I was. So yeah, that was a noticeable trait for me. Yeah. Which I also really like. I like the feeling of being the last one though. This was supposed to be a 30 minute bonus episode, by the way, that has not happened. But we do have a listening question that relates to separate play. Yeah, so I put up on Patreon that I went on this separate date and I said, does anybody have any questions? And so this one actually came from one of our supporters. His name's Anthony. He sent me a DM. I'll run it to you and then we can answer it together. My wife and I have recently started exploring separate solo play, but here's the catch. She only wants me to play with people that we've already been with before, specifically, specifically one half of a couple we've previously played with. I'm feeling frustrated. It's hard enough to find couples who are open to that arrangement, but more importantly, it doesn't feel like genuine solo play to me. It feels limiting, like I'm being offered a controlled version of freedom. I think she's doing it out of jealousy or a sense of safety, but it doesn't align with what I need from the experience. My question is, does this still count as solo play, and how can I talk to her about how this setup is affecting So I think this is an interesting place to be because we actually went through some similar stuff on the journey to where we are because I think our first solo play sessions were yours and they were with couples that we'd been with before. I think that was part of our journey as well and we ended up here, I don't think this is through any sort of natural progression, I think there's me actually providing a little bit of a shove here and there to get you to where we are. are right now because you wouldn't have chosen to go on a date with a single guy alone without me no that wouldn't have been something that i would have been like exactly but it's something that you enjoyed and i think it's something that you'll do again after what what has happened now yeah not always though no no of course not i didn't say always but i think you would you'd be open to doing that again because you had fun you enjoyed yourself maybe you know so so that's one thing the other thing is i think there's certainly a level of there's always a level of concern here when somebody you care about deeply is going to do something with somebody else potentially especially somebody you don't know I think it depends on where you are in your own personal journey and this is for your wife I suppose where her personal journey is or your partner as to whether she's comfortable with that yet you know she may not understand that you're coming back every time and that's okay I'm absolutely at peace with that with Kate I very much know all the way to the middle of my soul that she'll come back And I'm comfortable, because of that, setting the bird free, if you like. Or maybe pushing the bird outside of the cage. But I think that's something that, you know, there's a lot of discussion there. There's a lot of underlying things that you might need to discuss around her feelings and her senses before you touch on what's important to you. Because your view on this, if you voice it strongly, will only be seen as a reinforcement What your wife already feels? Red flag. So I think on the question of does it still count as solo play, look, I think that your definition, the next person's definition, my definition, Daryl's definition is probably going to be different. I don't think you should get caught up on definitions. I don't think you should get caught up on it. Would I consider that to be solo play personally? No, I wouldn't. But that doesn't mean that it can't be how somebody else would approach it. Yeah, I wouldn't consider myself bisexual either, but I've played with guys and other people certainly say you should, I think don't get hung up on on that bit I wouldn't consider it solo but don't get hung up on that I think the bigger part here is the question is how do you fulfill the fantasy that you're trying to fulfill whilst making your partner comfortable with whatever is happening and so maybe that is going and exploring with the other finding a couple where you can go and play and re-evaluating talking to her about it including her like I've been including Daryl doing some of these things that perhaps would make her feel comfortable and make her realize. But also you need to understand you may never get to the step where you are meeting a stranger out on a date that she's never met or interacted with and playing with that person. That's a very real scenario is that you may, that may never happen. And so don't get hung up on that either. This is part of trying to do the best within the realms of your relationship, exploring the fantasy, what you can within what is comfortable for your partner. Very similar to how Daryl bought the monster deal. and the fake come. Yeah, because I know that you'll never get to that point where you're okay with that. Well, yeah, I don't know that. It's highly unlikely and it would require a mountain of work and a mountain of discussion to get there. So I'm happy to provide a compromise that excites me as well. Yeah, exactly. So to answer your question, I think that part of this is exploring this, going on your own journey and seeing how you feel. You know, you asked there, it feels limiting. It feels limiting. It feels like it's a controlled version of freedom. You also said maybe it's because jealousy or safety. Absolutely. It could be all those things. You know, but I would question whether or not that's a negative thing, right? That's just your partner's feelings. Could she be trying to put in certain things into place so that it is safer in her mind? Absolutely. Could this be stemming from a place of jealousy or the unknown? Absolutely. It could. But those are natural human reactions. So I think that just move forward with the version that you've being able to fulfill in each other and talk afterwards, figure out what worked, what didn't, refine it. And then maybe if you've got the option to change it, try it again. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you also have to be very prepared here for the fact that your partner says, I don't want to do that again. Yep. And you have to understand that there's simply some things that are always on the other side of the looking glass. Yep. Yep. It sucks. I mean, I understand the pain there of just wanting something that you can't have. But sometimes life, is like that. Every day I wake up and I'm not a millionaire. So we've all got a cross to bear. It's like, could we retire right now? Probably could, but it wouldn't be the lavish lifestyle to which you're used to. To which I'm accustomed. Which is your prolific use of condoms and, you know, throwing out of doulos just because they're a little too big for my pussy. Anyway, that has been the solo play episode. A little bit longer than I anticipated it to. So if you've stuck around for this long, thank you so much for listening. What's coming up next? We're going to record another episode. So this one's going to be on our Paris and Carp d'Arg trip, which will actually be released the day that you and I will be flying back to Carp again. So we're going to release that episode on the 6th of August, which is the day that you and I will be on a plane back to Carp. I'm so fucking ready. Yes, I am also excited to be back there. I'm going to do this dance. Are you going to get fucking sunburned again? Because if you are, you're not allowed to go. No, I'm not. I'm actually going to take proper sunscreen rather than the, for some unknown, who even sells? Sunscreen that isn't water resistant. What's even going on there? Nobody. That's bullshit. It's bullshit. Why would you have sunscreen that washes off in water? So stupid. Also, I just learned as a researcher since we got home, the amount of fucking sunscreen you have to put on, nobody comes near that. Nobody. It's a teaspoon of sunscreen for your face alone. A teaspoon. We didn't measure that. It's a lot. It's like to do your whole body is like two tablespoons of sunscreen. People are like, Did you wear mayonnaise? No, sunscreen. Anyway, that's to get the full sun protection factor. So that has been the Hot Wife solo play episode. Daryl, thank you. Thank me. I mean, I wasn't involved. There was another guy that was giving you that dick. No, I mean, thank you for being on the journey on the podcast with me. Oh, no problem. I'm glad I could give you some stories to talk about. If you are still now listening, you're the MVP right there because that was a shit show. Yes, it was. Quick question. I need to get my house in order. For my last question. When will you be catching up with him again? I don't know. He asked me to. I do need to actually text him back. I mean, you should set up another date. He also gave me a joke about he's in France right now and he gave me a joke about the fact that they actually do sell Prosecco in France because I told him about your frivolous champagne purchase. He's in on the inside jokes now. Oh my God. The champagne purchase was well worthwhile. We will talk about that on the next one. 150,000% worthwhile. Thank you so much for listening, guys. Hope that you are healthy, happy and enjoying summer. Get out there. Maybe take a little of your own fucking advice there. Fuck around and find out. That's what I'm saying. What? That's the opposite thing. No, but we're bringing it back positive. No, you're not. We're taking it back. No, you're not. Fuck around and find out is going to be like, get out there and enjoy the sunshine. Fuck around and you'll find out how amazing it is. Yeah, and get sunburned. Don't be Kate. Be better than Kate. Be better than Kate. Yeah. Bye. Bye.