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Swinger Friends
In this episode, we delve into the intricacies of "Pants On / Off Swinger Friends," a dynamic that blurs the lines between friendship and sexual exploration within the swinging lifestyle.
Pants On / Off Friendships The Pros
Explore the freedom and excitement of maintaining close friendships while also enjoying the benefits of sexual intimacy.
Foster a deeper level of trust and understanding between partners and friends.
Experience heightened sexual pleasure through the comfort and familiarity of established relationships.
Pants On / Off Friendships The Cons
Navigate potential emotional complexities and jealousy within friendships and romantic relationships.
Struggle with blurred boundaries and the risk of misunderstanding or miscommunication.
Manage the delicate balance between maintaining friendships and managing expectations in a swinging context.
Is the Swingers Lifestyle Approach for you?
Consider your own desires, boundaries, and comfort levels when contemplating this unique approach.
Discover whether you thrive in an environment of openness, trust, and shared exploration.
Evaluate whether you and your partner(s) are equipped to navigate the challenges and rewards of Pants On / Off Swinger Friendships.
Join us as we dissect the nuances of this intriguing relationship dynamic and offer insights into who might find it fulfilling and who might prefer to steer clear.
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Transcript
you're listening to the wanderlust swingers podcast with aussie hosts kate and daryl if you're curious about exploring your sexuality or the swinging hot wiping and non-monogamous lifestyle you've definitely come to the right podcast or maybe you just love travel adventures either way we share our personal sometimes juicy sexy stories as well as swingers club and event reviews interviews with other sassy people and of course our global swinging adventures. We try to bring you a look into the diverse lifestyle that the swinging and non-monogamous community has.
We hope you enjoy, now let's get into the episode. Hence our fence on friendship in the, or other words, I don't know, friends with benefits. So, Mr. and Mrs. H, welcome to the show. Hello. Thanks for having us. Daryl, welcome to the podcast. Oh, I get a welcome this time. That's fantastic. Look at me being special. Pants on, pants off, friendship. We're going to talk about the pros and the cons of having kind of, yeah, like longer term pants on, pants off, friends.
Do we want to call them friends of benefits, or is there a difference between the two, do you think, first of all, before we get started? Let's explore this and break it down. What do we mean by pants-on, pants-off friends? Are these friends that we've met in the lifestyle that we see more regularly? When they had their pants on. You actually trade pants with. Because there's people out there that I've always wanted to trade pants with. Tom Cruise has some really nice pants, I think. Is it people that you can be friends with, regardless of whether their pants are on or off?
What about if I'm wearing my pants on my head? Nothing would surprise me. There's a lot of conversation here about pants that I'm not really across. Here's how I like to think about it.
i like to think about it that it's friendships that i would be doing activities with my friends things like going to wineries going out going to an arcade whatever that whatever that looks like whatever your is it one of those wineries where everyone's served wine except me then they take the pants off activities and friendships that you have that you would have in a vanilla setting that you just also happen to sometimes have sex with that's my definition of it she said sometimes was really quite stretched it makes it sounds like you know infrequent doesn't have to be infrequent though right it can be frequent as well i'm just saying yeah oh my god i've got another segue question that just occurred to me but if i don't ask it now i won't remember it later about a friend thing do you think there's a danger that having friends with benefits and the frequency or the infrequency of that sex do you think you end up having sex more with other people that you're friends with than you do with your own partner sometimes well that that's a very deep i know it is that's why i had to get it out of my head it's a very good question i think there is absolutely a risk of that yeah why is it because the sex of other people is the driving force with what keeps it all exciting or is it because you can have sex with your partner at any time?
No, I think there's a few things that drive that. I mean, it may be the up or down cycle of your own couple, dumb sex that is less frequent for a particular reason but you still enjoy hanging out with these people and the stimulation is more sexually inclined because of the relationship you have with them, right? So you're with your partner most every day whereas you don't get to see these people every day, and hence there's a little bit more to that. It's also a little bit more sexually derived or driven because of your time you get to spend with them.
Because you all made time work to get together.
Yes, to get together, which means there's a limited time potential to turn that into something that you may wish to be sexual you're probably also doing something that's outside of the house chores and the responsibilities of budgeting and paying bills and looking after kids and all the fucking adulting things so you probably find that you're also going and doing things with those friends which stimulates a little bit more excitement curated your experience to go and enjoy extracurricular things those friends become the fun uncle the fact that you might yeah you're around the house every day and folding clothes and doing the washing and blah blah I'm working and yeah sorry I derailed you completely because I just had that question in my head it suddenly went I need to get this out of that you could have just written it down and waited it she also has nothing to write on I mean not everybody's sitting here with a piece of cardboard they've just salvaged from the rubbish to be able to write on.
Exactly. I didn't salvage it from the rubbish. I was yet to put it in the rubbish, which makes it in this, like... It's still... It's the pirates. It's still useful. It's International Waters paper at this point in time. It's the most hipster way of recording your notes. You're going to write your new novel. You're going to go down to Starbucks with your big bit of card. So I think one of the pros of having pants on, pants off friends. Can we just say friends with benefits, please? Or P and P.
But I do think there is that space where you kind of, it doesn't feel like traditional swinging because if there is such a thing, and it feels a bit more than that but it doesn't feel quite like it's in the realms of a poly relationship okay what do you want to call it then for the purpose of not saying friends we're just not going to say it again yeah friends yeah let's we're done this in this entire podcast is now about exactly that topic yeah okay one of my pros is that it's nice to have friends. That's a pro. It is. And so unusual for Kate. I put two exclamation points after that.
So I really want to make that point. You're using up, you're wasting cardboard that you could be writing other things on. No, it's nice to have friends.
And I think it's nice to have friends that you can feel like you're actually maybe being yourself around so if you've got friends from high school or friends from work or wherever they're coming from mum group friends whatever the fuck maybe you can't be yourself around those people truly and it's nice to have friends that you actually can be your whole version of yourself around instead of having any portions that you show people yeah you wouldn't want to discuss your brand new dildo with your your friend from work who you just happen to have a after work drink with whereas you could with your sexy friend did you wink at me on purpose then like you're sexy with your sexy what i'm thinking here is i need to start changing my standard conversation at work from what i've just heard question i'd like to ask on that so do you think you you always are your true self with the with the other people good question i think you've got more of a chance of being i would say like anything like any friendship though you're probably not i mean this is why this is why you have your core partner isn't it you see everything you see all the good all the bad all my bad days you see my depressed days you see my you hear me horrible talk horrible things about myself I don't think that i would share that level of depth with mrs mrs h for example not necessarily us but why why would you not why would you love me why would you not trust that if you're a fat friend is so important to you and you've made such a good connection with them why would you keep things from them that you know they could but it's a time thing though right well it partly is because you only spend so much time with your friends you're not meeting the friend specifically to have sex with them you're meeting the friend because you love them you want to spend time with them in whatever capacity that is you know some of our sexy friends have been there for as we thick and thin and they see our whole selves we don't withhold things from them sometimes but broadly you spend much more time with your own partner and therefore your partner says much more of more of you i suspect if you spend every waking moment with your friends in some sort of big collective then you'd you'd see the other sides as well i don't like the idea of that no it's that sounds terrifying i would like to pencil in and i'm out.
I think there is, you know, there is something about that with friends. And this is the thing is that you do get the best. You generally get the best of them because you see them for a short period of time. So you don't see, like, as we said, the behind the scenes stuff as much. You do get insight into it.
But often, you know, we've come away like we love our friends but like I wouldn't want to live with them 24 hours a day because it's bad enough living with with each other yeah sorry doll she's with you we're not taking away from you yeah I was about to say I cannot confirm nor deny um that feeling I don't know whether they've felt seen or attacked it's a pro pro-anacon. Just feel loved. Just feel loved and accept it. True enough grenades at that. Let's move. Let's go on. I think Mr. H here has. Oh, he's got a list.
Oh, and the interesting thing here is we've got one person working on an iPad, you know, beavering away with their own handwriting. Oh, yeah. Consummate professional. Then we've got somebody working on a piece of cardboard that they've just, not sorry, that is... International waters. International waters between the rubbish and your... Possession. And we've got someone else, naming their names, who is just like counting down the minutes until Pokemon Community Day starts. I'm just here for the fun.
So one of the pros that I want to talk about is about developing those relationships because you get to see so many sides of people and you kind of inside, outside, inside, outside with pants, without, you know, without pants or the different pant combinations. And actually, because it's more long term, you do create these much deeper relationships. And that's where I think it's not that quite, not quite poly, but it is somewhere more than just a standard friendship, somewhere more than just standard swinging fun. That was my pro. Feel free to comment on it.
I think you covered it with such complexity that it doesn't need any other evaluation. Yes, I'm winning in your face, Kate. iPad 1, cardboard, null.
I actually had a similar thing to expand on what you just said and i said that trying new things exploring new potential kinks if you've got some more comfort you might then be more open so if you just go and have sex with somebody in a club maybe you're not sharing oh i really want to actually try some shibari and bondage and i've always wanted to try that my partner's not into it but as you develop those friendships you might actually find yourself feeling a little bit more comfortable in sharing some of those kinks and then more comfort in the person to then explore sex toys sex positions kinks you're absolutely right baby i think it's one of the biggest things is that there's aspects of your sexuality and my sexuality that neither of us, that the partner is not into, right?
Just to raise a small example, you know, the entire heterosexual nature of Mr. H, which entirely upsets Mr. H, right? That's an example, right? But it's not an example that can be developed in this particular relationship. But that is something that I think is really quite common. It's less common for us as well, but we've certainly seen some couples out there that have very distinct differences in terms of what they're looking for.
And those friends can offer that sexually, but also with a broader understanding and intent so that they don't actually put themselves in a potentially harmful situation. It's a safer space, I think. Dominance is definitely one of those things. So if you really want to be really submissive, sometimes you'll hear more of a dom-sub relationship where the submissive doesn't particularly want to be having that relationship with their primary. So they want to have that kind of the stranger who you don't live with and you're not folding clothes with and all that bullshit vacuuming the floor.
Having that kind of that other person, you know, might be the more dominant person in the relationship. I agree with all those great points. There is one little flip side, I suppose, for me, which is it leads into that but you don't do that with me scenario.
It can do, and it can breed a little bit little bit of contempt i think if it's not handled in the right way because it could develop into feelings of negativity if the other partner is like we don't do that with me and they just wait until we see the other friends who will provide that need and fulfill that gap but you can navigate it and you can you can get to a point where you're like okay well it's it's helping us both out here because you let's face it you don't really like that and i would like to do that i'm interested in digging a little more into this uh with with an example and and bringing up the poll the sexual timeline between partner versus other partners so i'm curious then when it when it potentially becomes a problem if the sexual interest or the sexual desire between partners changes i mean it all changes for all of us over time right it ebbs and flows depending on what's going on but i'm curious as to whether that then could become a problem as well if you're putting yourself in a situation where one of the partners is currently in the ebb rather than the flow and others the others in the flow because they don't tend to sink right they're not always aligned and you you get to the point where you're now only having sex potentially with your partner only when you're with other people and whether that then leads to a breeds a dynamic of of potential pain as well because that's something that can happen yeah and come and i think we've seen it in the past where people is evident uh upset caused by oh well now this this friend of benefits turned up now now you're now you're interested now you want to have a sex and yep and can see how that might, you know, tombola quite easily in many relationships.
If you don't give your own relationship enough credence and you don't invest enough time into communicating about it before that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in the sexy friend boat. I think we've talked about that ourselves in the past, haven't we?
Where we whole outpouring of you don't do that with me why do you do it with someone else if somebody doesn't want that and then they go and seek it so say for example anal right like somebody might just be like i fucking hate anal and say daryl say i hated anal and daryl was like i love it i can't get enough of it i want anal for breakfast and that's a really good example i don't think that if i'm not keen on that i honestly don't think i've got the right the correct word but that i shouldn't start to stand on a soapbox and then get angry at him but wanting to pursue it with somebody else somebody else i think that if i'm completely against it i don't want to do it whatever i think that isn't that one of the reasons why a lot of people get in the lifestyles to explore some of this stuff right i think this this is true that people do get in there to explore different things but but the anal one that that exact example is one that that we live with so like i really like anal you're not so fast on it but you don't want me to have anal with somebody else and i realize i completely and utterly accept and acknowledge the you know the difficult challenge that presents because you're like what the fuck woman if you're not gonna help me out with this this desire why shouldn't i seek it elsewhere if we're in you know a space where we do have an open marriage yeah i i do accept the irony of that of course it's not something that we're alone in though no but you can apply that to a number of things like you could say okay well you know i i can't i don't want you yeah yeah the dumb sub thing or it could you could even extend it to bisexual experiences you could say well i can't provide that for you i don't want you to have it so therefore i'm gonna cut my nose off to spite my face i'm gonna prevent this and you could take it down any number of roads it's just that's the hill you've chosen to die on over it I think I know and I accept that it does it does create some irony and some difficult conversations I'm laughing so hard on my inside right now it's something that crops up a lot yeah and it probably crops up more than just jealousy I How often are you talking about anal?
We're doing it now, so quite a bit, I guess. Yeah, but the spanking one, like we know a couple who she really likes to be spanked, but not necessarily from a partner again. Same with choking and there's a whole lot of other things that one person simply may be uncomfortable with because they've been in a situation where it's been – the other thing, of course, is play practices that are in some ways aligned with some, you know, with some horror story from their past. Right, man. Right, you've got – because a rape fantasy is actually quite a common fantasy, right? Yes, it is.
But there's an awful lot of people out there that have actually experienced this who are not interested in experiencing it even in a play scenario, which I fully understand. Yeah. I mean, fuck. I'll see you next week. There's an awful lot of people out there that have actually experienced this who are not interested in experiencing it even in a play scenario, which I fully understand. I mean, fuck. And we'll be very triggered by watching their partner do that with somebody else. Yes, so there's an understanding there as well as to why that might drive a change. But, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, there's lots of scenarios out there where – so I think that comes down to comms, right? You just have to communicate about it because if you don't get this right, you're going to fuck it up. But to roll back into that potential to explore those new things, I think when you're having – say it was the choking thing, for example. Most people aren't going to go to a swingers club with somebody they've just met and generally say, hey, choke me. Most people aren't probably going to do that.
But with a longer term, maybe you'd okay i actually feel more comfortable now i would actually like you because i trust you i can express that and i can also guide you through it it's the other thing and i'll know that you'll take my guidance rather than just being the random dude that in in the club who starts choking you and then you can't tell them to stop because they're fucking choking you yeah So, yeah, I think going back to Kate's point, which was the benefit we've talked about, the great thing, but also just to be cognizant to the flip side that it can breed that level of toxicity.
Contempt. My main takeout is no anal, I think, is what I've learned today. I think what we've arrived at here is basically, yeah, no anal for you. Not unless you can get your dick to your own arsehole, my friend. Man, I've tried so hard for that, quite literally. One of the things I kind of want to bring up as a bit of a pro is around the ease and comfort that you can develop. I appreciate that does have a flip side. Oh, it does. I'm going to... You're taking away from's... Chomping at the bit. Bit of cardboard there. Chomp. Chomping. Mind blown now. Chomping at the bit. Chomping.
I thought it was chomping at the bit. No, chomping. Because horses have a bit in their mouth and they chomp. No, they chomp. Drink your wine. Think about it. Take a breath. We've blown some minds today. They do. They're chomping at the bit. What's the possibility all three people are lying and I should Google? I don't know.
take a breath we've blown some minds today they they do they're champing at the bit what's the possibility all three people are lying and i should google i promise you you can look at my search history you may not want to but you can look at it and it will not have anything around champing and chomping at the bit why are you searching champing at the bit i'm not i don't need to because i know what it is i'm trying to prove to kate that i didn't premeditate this google search just to call her out on her lack of knowledge around equine chomping she's googling it now okay but there is also if no listen if you google chomping at the bit it actually if you start typing in chomping it comes up as a recommendation for chomping at yeah it's almost like there's a whole group of people who don't know how to do english if you're out there and you're experiencing some difficulty with understanding that it is actually champing at the bit, I'm with you, and please call 1-800-We're-Both-Fucked-Up.
Carry on, Mr. Age. As I was saying, the ease and the comfort, the bit you were champing to get at, was... Why do you need to let Kate have a floor for this? Because she is so beautifully prepared on her cardboard. So Kate, I think, wants to take this as a negative piece. But I think there is a positive first that we need to... All right, go on, Mr. Jedi. Well, it is about the developing the relationships and about sort of being comfortable with each other as we've sort of been circling around. And that's a lovely place to be. It is.
And it can mean that you can be your most authentic self together. You can all this good stuff you can not worry about what you're talking about because you're all comfortable i've got a question does that mean that you can fart in front of them i had the same question god we're like hive minds we literally are hive minds if i say yes are you gonna fart i'm asking you honestly would you fart in front of a sexy friend do you fart in front front of each other? Yeah. On purpose? Yeah. I do not do it on purpose. Do you guess each other's farts because that's just strange?
I don't think we guess them. He does it just because he does. Yeah. I only do it in an absolute emergency. No, it's lies. Absolute lies. Would you do it in front of friends with the benefits? I think it depends on the situation, I guess.
The answer is fucking no he does i reckon he does i would do look he's looking he's trying to backtrack now i'm not backtracking at all you're saying right the one of the pros of these friends that with deep connection is being able to fart in front of them is ease and comfort so comfortable and at ease with them that's this is not what i said just But a little Tommy Fart just pops out and you're like, it's okay, we're friends that I know really well. That's absolutely what I've not said. What I've said is that you're... What he's saying is he does that whilst getting a blowjob.
That's all I heard. Is that a blumpkin but with just farts? I think, isn't that part of the plot of More Rats, the film? Oh, maybe, I don't know. I should watch it without falling asleep. He did a fart while having a blowjob. If I farted in front of you, I would actually crawl under this table, die, set the fucking house on fire, change my name and fly to a different country. And that's just because of the smell. But why? We don't fart in front of each other. No. Again, we mostly try not to. And if I do, I'm absolutely embarrassed. And then I apologise profusely. But it's a normal thing.
But I don't fart in front of her either. Why? What's wrong with you? What's fucking wrong with you, mate? I had a whole lifetime of people being prolific and obvious with their farts. You don't have to go out of your way to turn it into a symphony like he does. But, you know, moving on from the symphony fantastique of Mr. H's farts, my question is, would you not get to a level of comfort where it's just, what, you'd have a wee in front of each other, right? Maybe? Oh, God, no. No, we don't wee in front of each other. Why?
We don't say shit in front of each other just to cover off all of the bowel movement. No, we jawline somewhere. We don't wee in front of each other either. Would you burp in front of them? Would I burp? Yes. No. Not like, not like outwardly, like, blah, you'd say, excuse me, we're not monsters, but you would still maybe the other end sometimes may happen. No. I would fucking, I would actually leave the house. Honestly, if I farted right now, I think I would actually get up and say, like, I need to go for a walk or something.
I don't think I could be around you for a, no, I'd die of fucking embarrassment. But it's a normal human thing. Yeah, but mainly because her farts will peel paint. They do not. There was that one time in Bali.
Yeah, the time you lost your shoe because you shat on your own foot thailand that's a different story that's a very different take can we stop talking about farting and shits there's a question relating to the level of comfort and connection that you have with people but you got to a point in in that relationship where you actually felt so comfortable and granted there will be a flip side to this which we'll dig into but you could get to a point in that relationship where you actually felt so comfortable. And granted, there will be a flip side to this, which we'll dig into.
But you could get to a point where even that is something that you're like, okay, well, that's just what regular people do sometimes. But I think there is an ease and trust. And we've had friends and relationships where we've trusted them with a key to our house. Yeah. And they've been able to rock up there if we're not in and stuff like that.
Our next- neighbors have a key to our house and I wouldn't fart in front of them either okay what are the um ease things do you have like what's the point what's the purpose of having in terms of just that ease it's that knowing what people drink knowing what they like what they don't like and you just get on there's like really developed friendships and it just feels very very comfortable it's like an extended relationship isn't it it's a safe environment yeah yeah i would agree with that you even gravitate to having maybe your own favorite areas of the house yeah you know you just get so comfortable i've been holding on to your heated cushion for last two hours now we're getting And her for a next present.
That thing. Why? So you said ease. Yeah.
I actually have a few cons that kind of fit this so i want to i want to talk about two cons in a row actually and i my first con is actually quite an easy one because it's too easy to be with your friends that it can stop you from meeting new people in fact that's something that i have also written down and on my ipad and it's something that we've decided already is an issue that we address anyway for us because we don't want to get trapped into being so complacent and lazy and certainly we've discussed this and that we've been it's been very convenient to spend time with with our friends and we love our friends dearly but it has made us very lazy in terms of going out and finding new people because when when you've got a a roster of people that you want to see but it's a roster of friends like yeah you know you fill your time seeing your friends because they're great to hang around with and they're feeling a little more like a rotisserie chicken at this point you'd be sort of see them every other weekend or whatever and but by the time you've seen your friends there is very little time enough to see other people and make way for new adventures and because you like all that time so much you don't you don't really need you just think oh what's the point of looking for new people i love the people i'm seeing i agree but i think there is a i love the new adventures as well i know you do and that's that's kind of where we've got to in our journey we have a wonderful group of friends and they are all fantastic and it's great seeing them but I'm also like it would be great to find other people and bring them into the collective and make them part of the friendship circle because we're talking about this ease and it can stop you from meeting other people I think it can stop you from meeting other people because it's easy but I want to throw a secondary con into that this is not my second con this is just a little a bonus con little bonus con yeah which is that sometimes con 2.0 jealousy yeah from your friends so say for example if we have some or for your friends great great um pants on great friends and then what you just said, is that, you know, you love spending time with them, right?
But if all of a sudden I'm like, actually, I'm not available on Friday night because we're going to go out and find new people. Those friends could quite easily feel rejected, upset. Why aren't you inviting us? Why can't the four of us go and meet these new people? What's wrong with us now? What's wrong with us? And so I think there can be some jealousy potentially involved in that as well. Once we get more than one set of friends, we might be able to assess that. Yeah, let's assess it. We'll assess that once we get more than one.
The challenge is, though, is that friendships, like any relationship, take work. And you do have to put that effort in to maintain them in the right way. Apparently, I mean, Daryl's looking like that may not be true. But I think that's really important. But the great friends will often raise you up and celebrate your new adventures I'll see's really important. But the great friends will often raise you up and celebrate your new adventures and your successes. Only in the hope that they get to shag the other people. Yeah, I think, you know, that may well be the case. Or not.
We might just be happy in an altruistic way. Whatever you need to keep your smiley, happy, rainbow-filled world alive. But also, it is hard. If you see your other friends going out and they're having a great time, I am the king of FOMO, and I'm like bastards. Ah, you are. They're off having a great time, and I feel very happy for them. But at the same time, I'm like, why aren't they seeing us this particular time? Well, why can't we go and see other people and make the same good connections? And that's the tricky bit. We have eight chairs at our house, so, you know.
Just, yeah, bring them with us. That's that's it that's all we got like if there's more than eight people coming two don't get to come no that's fair and that's right there should be a selection process a roster you say yes how many how many pros do you have left actually about having adventures together i quite like the fact that you create your own little unit as a friendship group and like like we do as a group. And we go off on our own little, yeah, or we go to a spicy island together. Pro, activities with friends, con, hangovers. Activities with friends. Yes, hangovers and expense.
But the hangovers are all part of the fun. The next day when you're just like, oh my God, I'm going to die. You're together. That's a fun thing. So new experiences. New experiences together as a group. I think that's – and that's a little bit different to just going off and doing your own – Like axe throwing. Nice. Yeah, axe throwing. Yeah, exactly. But I love the fact that we can gather friends and do something and do an activity and sometimes that can be a pants-on activity and sometimes that's a pants-off one and we've had some great adventures over here.
We have never – I was thinking about this. We've never organised a purely play event, like, for a group of people. For a group of people? No. Like, for a group of our friends. We've never done that. We've had couples where we've, like, oh, obviously – No, that's why I added the term group. No, we haven't done that. I think we have a couple of times. You mean, like, organised a play session?
Like New Year's Eve, for example, where for example where we had people around well we did but we didn't make it explicitly a condition of coming to our house and so you have to have a bikinian orgy by midnight everyone must be allowed to have anal i'm putting that on our next event as we announce it it's um anal only orgy anal only orgy i can't even say that okay i'm gonna i'm gonna rattle off because i want to start talking about cons soon so i'm gonna rattle off real quick potential for sharing toys and lingerie that's something that you don't normally do so that's kind of something sexy and fun and interesting and all the rest of it.
You can tell your sexy stories to your friends as well. Like I could quite literally tell you a sex story about, you know, what we've been doing and you're quite welcome and open to hearing that. Oh, Lord, teach me how to do this because for the love of God, Kate, I cannot tell a sexy story as we have found out.
And one of my other ones is that you can be nude on an island and celebrate each other's fuck wins um you know that's great yeah and my um my final one for a pro is that you meet similar tribe so in other words friends of friends yes yeah so that's always the extended friendship the extended fuck circle fuck buddies isn't it weird though, when you friends of friends and you really don't want to fuck them yeah and it's and you're like oh what is this about you guys are cool you you like you're hanging around with us and you're great and it's fantastic and then there's these people who've fucked and now this is disappointing they're horrific what were you just thinking?
You could do better. Yeah. You could do us. But doesn't that then make you, or make you question me maybe, and think, why the fuck are you so picky then? Is it you? Me? I don't know where this has gone. Well, no, because if you realize it. Downhill.
No, I was going to say, sometimes when you see other people making all these very, very easy connections and having great sex, and you're like, huh, am I just uber fussy because i don't do that as frequently because that's how oh wow yes that is the maybe i'm i mean if you take away the maybe you're probably somewhere near the mark it's kind of why it's kind of why i want to talk to you about your journey because i think that you need you might you might do better if you can mentalise some of the experiences that you're having, which we can probably discuss a little bit.
Lower my standards is what you're saying. No. Just your pants. No, not lower your standards. Have experiences that you gain something out of but maybe not the whole thing every single time. Got it. Anyway, I also – sorry, I did have one more that I just thought about. I'm pretty sure Mr. H has some others as well over there as well. He'd like to fucking nut through. Fringe benefits. Right, so not just the friends of the friends. No, but say, for example, somebody's got a fucking awesome boat or yacht. Yes. So fringe benefit would be being able to go over there and have pool parties.
If somebody else is a great cook, that'd be fun. Oh, one of the best fringe benefits is when they have great pets. Yeah, this is true. I love that. Do you have any more positives before we talk about the negatives? Are we going to finish on the negatives? That's a great place to be, yeah. It's like half a shit sandwich. We're just getting to the shit bed and stopping. It's fantastic. Isn't it supposed to be – yeah, I mean, that's right. The shit sandwich is supposed to have the positive. I'll finish up with a positive at the very end then. It'll be that my beards come in real nice, won't it?
And he won't have any more positives. Nothing that we haven't already sort of touched on. I would like to just point out also that when Mr. H's iPad thing goes dark, I don't need to tap the screen and then unlock it. I can actually just see my notes right in front of me on this cardboard. Wait until it's dark and there's no light and then you won't be able to see your list at all, so fuck you. Okay. Where do you live that you can't turn a switch and make light emanate from the ceiling? You're not my real dad, shut up. Okay, so we spoke earlier about things being easy or too easy. Yes.
One of my cons that I think is probably going to bring up the most amount of conversation here is the total lack and loss of effort and in that i mean planning dates like if you're going with somebody on a first date second date third date you might actually be like oh let's go and do activity or go here or do this or whatever i think you can have people that just stop planning that just turn up to your house drink your booze and then fuck off you can have great those people a loss of effort in things like uh dressing up or a loss of effort in things like grooming you can have a loss of effort in i know for example mrs h you love to smell nice for example and i like people to smell nice that's your big thing right so you might have a loss of that probably should have showered this morning i think you could probably sum all these up as familiarity breeds contempt right because the more familiar you get with somebody kate's still chomping at the bit over here you've just blown her mind with a whole nother fucking sentence but it's true the more familiar you are with someone the more relaxed some of your standards might be because you don't have to try as hard because you don't need to try as hard because you've already done the groundwork and made the great connection but i say that as i said before every relationship takes effort and needs maintenance so i try to subscribe to the fact that i try and put that continue to put that effort in but i think in even in relationships our primary relationship like you might start to gain a bit of weight you know and i think we eventually just automatically go into this ease of things where you're just not making as much effort well that's why having the having the addition of new newcomers to the group or newcomers to your personal circle is so important as to what you touched on before right because you you do need occasionally a kick in the balls to remind you.
And a newcomer to your group will kick everyone in that group in the balls a little, right? They need to… Be reminded. Don't turn up in your Barbie PJs, not your regular PJs, you know? Seems odd to me for specific, yeah. Yeah, very niche. So I do think that there is, I think, one of the, what I think is actually one of the biggest cons is probably that. But that's a con to any relationship. Of course it is. Well, it is. This is kind of what Mr. H keeps going back to. This is, at the end of the day, a relationship, and it requires energy, effort, you know. Footwork. Oi, go. Oi, more passion.
More energy. More energy. More footwork. I feel seen. If your house needs to be, I don't know, fixed because something's not right, then your relationship's no different, right? You need to maintain it and you need to give it some love sometimes and make it. And just occasionally let it have anal. And he occasionally is allowed to have anal. Really? Yes, winning. But let's not dwell there for too long like the old house that's dilapidated and fallen to bits like many relationships. Wow. Dark, man. Wow.
I mean, I was wondering where you were heading with that, but you got there you place a lot of emphasis don't you and value on how much your own relationship feels in terms of effort yeah and how much you're you're putting into that that effort can be the way that you present yourself what you what you bring to the table but also can just be effort to you. And I think the effort to see you is one that really, really resonates with me because I want to see people as much as I can. I like the interactions. I like going, catching up with people, this sort of stuff.
And I enjoy people, believe it or not. And I think when I don't get that same level of interest and investment back, I feel like the relationship isn't, isn't, doesn't't isn't as healthy yeah it's not healthy i feel devalued and i feel like they don't want to spend time with me tell us how you really feel i will do and i'll continue to do it also maybe accept that other people's levels of commitment may vary depending on what they have going on in their lives we do not this is about me not other, not other people. But it, and it, yes, it's about how you feel. Me.
But it's also really important that we know that other people may have lots and lots of different things that they have to factor in. 100% understand that. And seeing you might be lower down their list of priorities. And that's how I feel, that I am a lower down priority. And I'd like to be number one. Well summed up. Yes, thank you.
I think there is something something about even if you can't see people i appreciate people have lives they have stuff going on they have kids they have family that need taken care of there's all sorts of disasters in everyday life i get that but i think the important bit is the recognition that you want to see other people so even if you can't do it you go oh how are you like gonna just send a message oh how are you doing are you okay sorry we haven't been able to catch up is that all you require to feel valued i think that would help significantly i think it's a time thing to try that with the whole anal scenario where you just send him a message saying hey look i know you want i can't do it um sorry about that i'm just gonna look at my phone for no reason at all i do're looking at my phone for no reason.
I do think there's a time element to that. I think that, of course, friendships should appreciate that people have their own shit to deal with. You should know that, yeah, right now I'm having a really shitty time and I'm probably going to not be as great. But if that carries on for 3, 6, 12, that's the issue. I think it's not.
If I just reached out to you and i said you know what i'm actually a bit shit right i'm thinking about you guys but i'm actually kind of going through the ringer right now and i'm probably going to not be great i think that would probably yeah correct me if i'm wrong but that might help that does the job but if that's three months six months 12 months i think that's when you start to go well actually yeah where is the level of energy and i think that's the difference and the problem there is yes there might be different expectations on the people and what they need desire and hope and then you just got to go that's that and that person's not going to give it to me like any relationship and just walk away and i i recognize that i'm particularly needy when it comes to this stuff i know that and the anal yeah and the anal but so needy i do get that and i but but i also find it very hard i struggle when i don't see the same love language back yeah and and i have to check myself and you know i know quite often mrs h doesn't give a fuck if she doesn't hear back from people for quite a while she's quite bothered sometimes yes i don't take it so personally maybe yeah whereas i will take it very very personally like you know daryl never says anything in I'm like, it's all right.
He does. He turns up occasionally. I know when I see him, he'll give me all the love. Do you remember when the group chat used to be called, holy fuck, Daryl? Yeah, there's a dog in the playground. Loss of effort. And I think that it then becomes this, and this rolls into another one of my cons, which is the expectation of sex. Yeah. And you know what? You're, okay, we're hanging around.
We're just hanging and sitting around and we're not really you know got our hair done or makeup done or smelling nice for example right and like oh i guess i guess it's midnight so we'll just fuck now and there's a complete lack then of um just it just effort right there's a complete lack of effort and i think that then becomes like oh okay what the fuck like i'm not you've not made me interested at all you've not made me intrigued you've not enticed me you just think now because we have that friendship that okay well we're gonna fuck now and you don't have to put any effort in and it's bullshit i get that but then the flip side i guess is if the first thing you did when you met them at the door was like right come on we're gonna fuck first so you don't feel that you're you're the byproduct at the end of a very long night and we're all tired and we should probably should have sex because we should because that's why we've met so where is the balance if you're putting the priority on the sex at the beginning i think yeah maybe the intention hello hey i thought you were trying to attach i just hadn't said anything in a while.
Oh. That's all. Do you have anything to add? No. Excellent. Nice. There is something about that. There is not a convenience, but there is a… I think there is a convenience sometimes. I agree. But sometimes that can be a good thing. I think that can be you can just end up tumbling into bed with people, and that's fine.
But if that's the only thing that you do, if there is no effort around the other times and you try't try to make things special exciting interesting or whatever that's when you kind of go well am i just being a bit used here and that's when you all those sort of negative feelings start to creep in i've never had a concern with being sexually used would you like to be sexually used i'm actually quite good at being sexually used in fact it's uh it's my jam i just lay there and it happens and then i go to sleep it's just not true i don't really get to sleep afterward so anyway so in terms of cons i think sometimes it relationships can sort of head quite close towards like a poly relationship without actually crossing that without that ever being discussed yeah because i think to truly progress to a poly relationship you have to have a discussion about how it has has become a poly relationship unless of course you're openly poly with others and it's something that if that's your official jam and your approach great but i think some relationships get very very close to that aspect yes agreed and you kind of go oh we're and then that's when it's difficult because the emotions like being jealous of them seeing other people or all that sort of stuff becomes uncharted territory yeah it becomes a little bit more difficult to navigate mitigate etc so i think i think that's that's the thing it can be a good thing that you've got this great relationship and you're happy to spend time with one another all this sort of great stuff but sometimes the the not quite labeling that relationship or knowing how to navigate it can be dangerous i've got a question for you mr h oh good yes yes i was just thinking back to the comment you made um five years ago that i haven't gotten over and let's let's fucking talk about it the comment that you made around the value you place on love language and the value you place on how much someone invests into making you feel like the effort is reciprocated in many ways so you talked about that being as a commitment of time initially how do you feel about the same level of value you feel from someone making a physical effort for you i like it but do you expect do you expect that to shift over time depending on the nature of your relationships or do you do you feel less valued if someone doesn't make the same effort they did for example the first time they met you to a certain extent like everyone wants to feel valued right right and everyone wants to feel desired one hopes you so do you feel less desired maybe if someone doesn't maintain the effort if they don't maintain the effort or put that in and try and sort that yeah i guess i do feel like um it's like again it goes back to the whole any relationship requires effort and i think if if the effort in a sexual way or those advances or whatever you might want to call it has decreased then actually i do feel like i'm like i have i'm less attracted to people people are less interested and all that sort of negative stuff no no i did answer my question i just i was just interested just to those other levels of value you place in the relationships that we have i mean it's not just i mean it is obviously time effort energy it's and that that is in the connection that is in the communication that's in the friendship going place or whatever it might be and that that does extend to sort of someone letting you know that they're interested in being forwards and all that sort of stuff as well i think what do you think kate i think it could probably if you have a friendship that starts more as a pants on pants off french i'm saying it once i'm sorry daryl it starts that way and then maybe it just moves into a friendship based i think that there could there's potential for some uh resentment what did i do am i not attractive enough yeah we've i mean we've had friends where all four of us have kind of gone through like maybe some some weight gain over the time and so yes have we become less physically interested in them and I'm sure they also us that's actually happened before you know we've been like okay that person's probably a little bit heavier than when I met them whatever like that can happen and I think yes that might make people feel really really shitty about themselves I think it's got the option the opportunity to do that and then it could actually sour the friendship so I think if you took sex off the table that's potentially gonna cause a a bit of a rift and it's not that sex has to be the leading part of that relationship I just think that it's probably all the other feelings that come along with that like I'm not good enough you found somebody else you know i've gotten weight gain whatever it looks like for you do you think it's important though to to take that off the table and have the discussion or do you think the relationships naturally fall into the situation where you don't have to have that i think that's naturally happen that i don't know i don't think you have to have that conversation in fact given most relationships that's the conversation that's never had had right it's not it's very rare somebody says their partner i'm finding you less attractive because you've gained weight or lost weight or you know colored your hair titanium blue um so i had that one i don't think i don't think that has to happen in any relationship i think in it just becomes something that especially if you are in a in a relationship where there's more than just the sex right and because these relationships are we have sex as part of them but they're not necessarily not driven by sex right so with that in mind taking sex off the table shouldn't shouldn't remove the friendship right But how do you take sex off the table if you don't want to have sex anymore with friends that you once had sex with and then over time, for whatever reason, your interest level waned because of whatever the reasons were, you just didn't want to have sex with them anymore.
Do you feel you're almost obligated to kind of give them a bit of a, manage their expectations because they may turn up thinking, oh, it's go. Yeah, I think, so we've done that before. We just say, look, this is not a play. We just say at the beginning, we say, look, hey, we really want to catch up, but we're not playing. Oh, okay, so you kind of manage it a little bit in advance. And we actually did that very recently. We actually had a conversation to say, hey, here's where we're at right now and this is what's going on and cool.
And I think the true sense of a good friendship is when somebody says, okay, no problem, come around, let's have a drink, let's have a meal. Yeah, and that might still salvage the friendship and it may still carry on.
It may not as right but that but that's how life works i don't think you you can't always be thinking of everyone else's sometimes you have to look after yourself when you're when you're involved in your own do you think there's a point at which in those types of situation you know when you've reached a point of no return and sex is not feasible any longer in that relationship i do yes certainly once you get to the point where so forgetting the sex but if you're uncomfortable in a sexual situation with people then putting yourself back into that situation is wholeheartedly dangerous because you are essentially putting yourself into a position of self-damage that's not smart so you have i think when it gets to that situation you i mean there's two ways of doing it of course you can passively doing it by continuing to I'll see you next time.
into a position of self-damage that's not smart so you have i think when it gets to that situation you i mean there's two ways of doing it of course you can passively doing it by continuing to say every time you catch up hey this is just a catch up i think that's a softer way to do it um but you have to rely on the other person's emotional intelligence to start to understand what's going on which is not always the case right so in some cases if you've got somebody who's not emotionally intelligent, you may have to just say, look, sorry, guys, we've changed our interest.
That may kill the relationship. Yeah, that's what I mean. So if you wish to hold on to the friendship, the way I would probably play it is to actually start tapering off the sex and then just make it sort of accepted that that's not the norm.
So you walk back from it being somewhat normal to being not the norm and then hopefully that retains the friendship along the way yeah and i guess if it doesn't yeah there's not a lot you can do about it at the other end right it's i do have another con this is specifically keep writing things down i mean this is specifically for you guys if you had an ipad this wouldn't be happening we wouldn't be getting more and more cons this is specifically for you okay. Okay. The cost of flights to see each other, smiley face. That's a bit of a con. Yeah. Totally worth it, though.
You make these friends and then you're like, wait a second, now. Wait. We are a fuckload closer than Australia. No, I know. Yeah, this is true. This is what I'm saying. And then, you know, also you've got some friends in the States now. And, you know, you've got friends. Well, okay.
Even in the UK, though, you've got friends that are maybe a bit of a further drive away so what do you do you have to pay for a hotel for the night maybe yeah go drive there so there is there is a cost associated with this shit such a cost with it but also free man you can't you can place a value on it if you've got no money but equally you find a way you find creative ways to make your budget go further so that you can meet in the middle or the UK uk they call it dogging or keep it keep keep the activities that you do share when you finally do catch up to be you know within your budget so that you can maximize the time that you spend maybe traveling to get to that destination and just enjoy the time and not make it into like some all singing or dancing must do like 80 things because just spending time together is enough sometimes use your uk right to wander to find a forest and then make it work i think there is a there is this goes back to that whole putting effort in thing again i think you have to be understanding that if someone's in a different country they're not going to be able to drop everything to see what easily uh you know some people are a little bit more intense and able and mobile and and financially mobile as well right that's that's absolutely a big part of this but i think that that maintaining that relationship through the chats be it just checking and every now and then having the zoom calls all the other things that that help i think that they're important they're an important part of the makeup and you know just we've got friends that occasionally send us like little gifts and stuff like that just just random things just to go hey we were thinking about you and it's not a massive cost is a cost obviously but it's those little moments where you go oh they they were thinking of us that's cool i like that's nice i feel warm and lovely and that they like us i'm gonna send david a fart in the post from now on we've already sent him a shit in the post before i'm gonna do a fart in the post from now on you can sell that you know parts in a jar i know i've heard all about this the only thing that i wanted to really pull out from the cons is that sort of sense of ownership of of your friends and i think that that can be quite surprising because you it is an emotional investment and you've put all the effort in and you've built these relationships up and then you know you feel very protective that's that can be a great thing and that can be really wonderful but also it can be very difficult when they find their new friends or they do something that's awesome and you're not involved in that or they and so that stuff can be quite quite challenging particularly for me as i said before was the king of fomo i you know don't like missing out on anything daryl do you give any fucks about any Thank you very much.
awesome and you're not involved in that or they and so that stuff can be quite quite challenging particularly for me as i said before was the king of fomo i you know don't like missing out on anything daryl do you give any fucks about any of that not a single not a single no um yeah which unfortunately has has the opposite effect as well right because i will then just do things without any thought for what that might do to somebody like you. Because you're not in that mindset. It's not because I intentionally aim to hurt or anything. It's more just it just doesn't factor for me.
So it's so low that it doesn't even come into my mind.
Yeah, whereas I'm prepared for any level of hurt that no one has intended probably, but I'm still'm still going to be upset and crying in the corner because you know i've not been messaged in six and a half minutes i'm i fully realized that i am an emotional being and and all of this stuff i'll give it to you in a travel sense so say for example this is where him and i differ a lot if we were say we're still living in australia of the many points yeah like For example, I only have, like, I have one more line on my massive, massive forehead. Yeah.
Like for example, I only have like, I have one more line on my massive massive forehead. Yes. I have one, that's one of the differences. One more line. Anyway, say we're still living in Australia and you guys are in England and we were going on holiday in Spain or Italy.
It probably wouldn't occur to Daryl to reach out and say we're going to be in Italy, that's an hour and a half or two hours or whatever the fuck it is flight from you guys why don't you if you can financially come and come over and see us yeah that probably wouldn't occur to him whereas it would for me and i and on the flip side of that say for example somebody was coming from america or canada or australia or wherever and they're coming to europe and they're only a couple of countries away where we could possibly go and see them and they didn't make the effort to say like, hey, by the way, guys, we're here, love to see you.
We can't come to Amsterdam, really want to see if by chance you guys can come. That would actually hurt me if people were kind of on my side of the world and didn't at least attempt to see if we can jump on the flight for one, two, three hours.
Yeah yeah because you need to find the golden opportunities where you can make them right line and make the most of that time and keep the money low yeah exactly so why not try and do all that you are on the money i would you wouldn't think about it yeah you wouldn't care but honestly i think if some if some of our like american canadian austral whatever, if they came anywhere in the Europe space and they didn't reach out and try to say, hey, how can we connect, I would think I would actually feel quite hurt by that. Yeah, and I would. I would be, and that's happened before. Yeah.
And I've, you know, we've seen that and I've skulked around for a few days and kicked things and, but yeah, again, it comes back to that. The cat, you only kicked the cat, right? Yeah, yeah, just the cat. Jesus Christ, run. The look you're getting from Mrs. H right now. It was a metaphorical cat. Yes, probably. You want a metaphorical cat over there. Definitely. Mrs. H is like, I'm going to metaphorically kick you in your ass. Let's actually end on a question. Who do we think that having this kind of relationship is for in the lifestyle?
Friends, friends with pants on, pants off, friendships, last I'maryl who do we think this relationship is for what kind of person in the lifestyle would you recommend or not recommend this kind of dynamic to i think whilst it comes with a level of risk i think this is my favorite type of you know i don't like the rock up and fuck approach that's not for for me and i think daryl seems to disagree though but um it's mostly because there's no anal involved and you know but i but that that sort of um one night connection only isn't isn't my favorite way of doing this and certainly doesn't seem to be mrs h's either no although it can happen and it has happened in the past that's not to exclude it it's just not my favorite or our favorite way of building connections so i think for people that that really value relationships this is the best way to experience that sort of lifestyle piece and also people that maybe they're not quite ready to to go into like a poly relationship but kind of want elements of that it might be a useful training ground like a sample platter a sample platter yes an amused bush i mean that sounded too much like bush yeah an amused bush so yeah i think i think that would be where my recommendation would be this is my preferred approach wife no i completely agree and you know we are on broadly on the same page with that because neither of us particularly favor the happenstance connections that are very few and far between because they're hard to cultivate and they're hard you know to to even find times when all the moons align like that and so i can say safely that you know some of the friends that we've made via this kind of friends with benefits sorry daryl remain firmly i hope friends for life yeah because we've we've made and built strong connections and friendships and i know that they would do anything for us and we would for them yeah you know and it may be mean the world to me you know yourselves included like kate daryl like we we love you guys and thanks man love you too it's kind of i feel i feel like i'm so so glad we met you and you know the same goes for all those great friendships that we do have like that and i think apart from the shit ones we don't like the shit ones yeah the shit ones you're out but they're fabulous having a cull they're deeper and more connected than some vanilla friendships yeah agreed daryl who would you recommend or not recommend this type of approach to i would not recommend this approach to a couple that is not that is not okay in in in any way with uh with with strong bonded relationships with others so i think there's many couples out there who who are dealing with perhaps with previous trauma or other things that that lend them to be much more emotionally reactive to small uh just to small things that that are driven from perhaps that from that what that history looks like so i wouldn't recommend it to people who are in a who are in a relationship with someone or they're both in a you know together in in that that scenario not at all it's very it can be very it can be very challenging to to not feel offended by certain things going on you know as an example you know just somebody receiving a text message remotely from the group chat or a chat you know a chat remotely from the group chat that you have with another couple that is totally benign.
You know, it might be, when is their birthday? Because we want to celebrate it as a group, but I don't want them to know that we're looking at it. If you're already pre-charged for that to be something that will piss you off, then don't do it because that happens, right? And in every case that we've had somebody reach out outside of the group chat, it's always something benign. Or they're saying, we're not in a good spot and we don't want to put it in the group chat because we don't want to talk about it openly.
We just want to tell you so that you guys can talk about it and know, but we're kind of embarrassed about where we are right now or whatever that is. So it's generally very benign. So I would say no to people like that that anyone who has that predisposition to fire up about anything that is outside of the norm in in relationships the the other is so in terms of people who should do it again i would say for for pre-poly as i'll call it for pre-poly that would be a good way to assess whether your relationship can deal with it also postly is another place.
You know, when you've been in a poly relationship and you're not sure that you want to go back there again, it's a nice place to be. You still have a strong friendship slash love with another couple or a group of people that doesn't have to stretch the bounds of being in love, just a loving relationship.
So post is good but um who else do it i mean people who enjoy having good sex with people that they know well enough to be able to ask for what they want so one night i agree i quite like a one night occasionally it's not something that's on my absolute every time do list but very rarely does a one night stand meet the same sexual gratification level as something that's been a longer term play scenario because you start to get used to what people want and you start to be more open with what you want as well because you're less embarrassed about your freaky content. You let your freak flag fly.
So that would be the other group that I would say.
Do you see what happens when you're actually fucking on the podcast all those three things were amazing the fuck they all came from the beard to be fair he did talk about farts for like 20 minutes so balance right balance i i uh i hadn't thought about the poly thing but that's that's an interesting that's an interesting take on it i i think this would work well for people who yeah do you want to have that extra level of like exploring new things i think though it wouldn't work for people who don't have the time if you're coming back to somebody who wants that little bit of extra energy and relationship and you just don't have the time for it don't do it anyway i think that's a we're gonna end on that that's a fucking wrap we're wrap.
That's a wrap. My beard has delivered all of the bestness that it has to offer. Yes. It needs more lubrication to be more appropriately beardy. Yeah. So thanks for coming on the podcast. Should we just, before we finish up, should we just have another quick chat about farts or are we done with it? Oh, wow. I think we just go with Wanda Hoppers out and then drop the mics. The Wanda Hoppers are out. Bye, guys. Ciao. Bye.
with wonder hoppers out and then drop the mics the wonder hoppers are out bye guys ciao i'm not touching anything from now on in except my penis is just kind of regular your penis is regular regular penis okay good it would be irregular that would be irregular yeah which is taking a strange turn just a smaller angle than a regular angle that's a hard angle or is it a right angle it's a right angle don't be obtuse oh man you've been holding on to that for how long it does this is like the fun guy this is one that goes out with mushroom it just fitted the moment it did
