P84 – Flirting with That Couple Next Door

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You're listening to Swinging Down Under, a podcast about the swinging, non-monogamous lifestyle from two crazy Australians with over four years of lifestyle antics to keep you entertained, informed, angry, happy and horny. Join our international swinging adventures. And welcome. I'm C, crazy female Australian sheila and believer of all things love, balance and sexy times. And this is Dee. I'll be doing my best to keep the dad jokes to a minimum which is probably going to be highly unlikely. Along with that I'll keep C and check where I can. Did I mention I'm a pilot?

We'll be your podcast hosts for today so sit back and enjoy the sweet sweet melodies. G'day guys and welcome to episode 84 of the Swinging Down Under podcast. I've interrupted briefly at the beginning here because I have a few updates and thank yous and I just wanted to mention that last episode we were giving away a unicorn dildo of course by our friends Geeky Sex Toys in Brisbane, Australia.

We interviewed them on the last podcast and we had a website where you could go up and sign for our newsletter to go in the draw to win this sex toy that we're going to post anywhere in the world now i just have used the online random name generator so we have 309 people currently subscribed to our newsletter i pulled them all off of our website chucked them all into this fang dangle interwebs site and i received the name Sally.

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I'm going to be sending you an email so we can get you that unicorn dildo out in the post I also want to thank anyone who's subscribed to our newsletter we've done two now and we've had some really good feedback on that we have a new section which is a coffee chats with non-monogamous people and really good information coming through a couple of links we've got a podcaster of the month you know we're talking about other podcasters in the lifestyle and i just wanted to thank everyone for downloading that giving the feedback on um on how that's all going like i said we're only on number two right now so we're doing them monthly if you wanted to subscribe to that you can just go to the swingingdownunder.com website forward slash newsletter and you'll be able to see where you can sign up for that otherwise i am going to break now get now, get straight into the interview.

This podcast is all about flirting. I do want to thank that couple next door, of course, fellow podcasters over in the United States, Jay and Kay, a brilliant, funny couple. Jay was talking to me during the show and asking me to put up some of the resources that I looked at in order to go for this podcast, and I have put them on our website, swingingdownunder.com forward slash flirting. So if you want to go check out that blog post, if you want to follow along, you can definitely do that.

I do ask Kay some questions throughout the podcast so you can have a look and see where you feel you might fit on some of those different flirting categories. And last but not least, that original blog post was part of our Patreon account. We did use that to then produce this podcast.

So you again to all of our patreon supporters out there we have had a few now we're almost at a year of running our patreon account and uh we've had some guys there from the beginning so thank you so much to everybody who supports us through through patreon and and reads our blog my blog post rather reads my ramblings thank you very much for that but uh without further ado uh thank you again to jay and k from that couple next door uh guys in the show notes you'll find the link to the blog you'll find the link to jay and k's podcast please do go check them out and of course don't forget to to review them if you also like their stuff you know as creators it really does make us feel quite good when when we get a chance to read some of those uh reviews coming through so cheers everyone i hope you enjoy it and uh let's go and chat about flirting We'll be right back.

when we get a chance to read some of those reviews coming through. So cheers, everyone. I hope you enjoy it, and let's go and chat about flirting. Hey, g'day, everybody. We've got all of the alphabets here. We've got D, C, J, K, all the fucking alphabets. Whoa. That's all the alphabets. There's a few missing. So we're about 45 minutes into this podcast at this point. We've managed to fix an iPhone. Yeah. What else have we done? Yeah. Drunk some. You guys have drunk some alcohol.

Kate's decided that day drinking should be a thing because of the amount of alcohol you're drinking at your end at nighttime. If you want to be a good sex podcaster, you just shouldn't have children. That's what it comes down to. Seems to be working okay for us. All right. Well, Dee, this was your idea for a podcast. Why don't you kick it off why you thought we should do a podcast about flirting? Well, I thought that we should do a podcast about flirting mainly. Well, there's two reasons.

The first one is every time Jay and I flirt with anyone anyone the two ladies think that we're perverts rather than being flirtatious which is interesting our 100% success rate exactly and and the second reason behind this is that I'm rather confident I can say this without any backlash from anyone in the community, that the two ladies are basically unable to flirt. Yeah, I'm not good. Because you all figured that we've got no flirting skills, I went ahead and I had a look at what is flirting. Let's just have a little look-see at this thing because I – okay, you're going to like this.

So flirting is a social and sexual behavior that involves the way we communicate with people when interested in pursuing a deeper, more intimate relationship with, and here's the best bit. This is why it's important to understand the subtle signs of flirting. Subtle being the operative word there. Subtle. Okay. Not, hey, how do you feel about me pointing my dick in your vagina right now? I don't think I've ever said that. Yeah, I mean, that's a little aggressive. Yeah. Well, what is the top tier of aggression from the gentleman in the room then? I mean, what's the...

I think you have to be able to read people, right? You have to just sort of go with the flow. And things can escalate quickly in some cases.

But if everybody is is subtle the whole time no one's ever going to get anywhere correct where are you where are you trying to go you know what we're trying to say it i'm trying to end up in some sort of sexual position ideally yeah i i would i would agree with that i mean it doesn't always end up that way, but that's certainly part of the idea of this lifestyle that we're in, especially if we're in a group of people who are actually interested in doing this, right? And I think Jay's, well, he's now part of it.

I'm not going to agree with everything that he said, but certainly part of the fact, which is that somebody's got to take a step toward the sexual side of the conversation. Otherwise, we're going to spend the whole time talking about dogs' iPhones and 15-year-old kids' parties, right? True. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. So, I mean, I've got a task here. I've got a task. I thought I'd start with a task for the ladies. And we're going to position ourselves here. Let me set the mood, set the groove here. We're at a known swingers event, right? So you're not flipping vanillas.

You're at a known swingers event. You're at a bar. The music's quiet enough that you can talk. I'm giving all the detail here because I know that Kate will pull it apart unless I do. She's dancing at this end already, so she knows the music. It's just sort of a groovy, sexy vibe. Think like late. Bob Marley. Yeah. One last one heart. Oh, wow. Let's get together and feel a rest. See? Okay. Wow. All you can do is that. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think we're done. This is a good indication of the flirting skills. I just put a pelvic thrust a little bit closer each time I'm dancing to the left.

It's not like, hey, yeah. What up? Hey. So let's start from the beginning because this is awkward already and nobody thinks this is flirting. You're really good at flirting in a reggae party? It's very niche flirting. At a reggae party, you would fucking nail it, Bo. Awesome. So you look from across the room and you see these guys, right? And you think, I'm interested in flirting with them, right? So I'm flirting with a couple now? No. So Jay wanders off just as you arrive, and it's now just you and Kay standing there. Oh, so I'm flirting with Kay. Yeah.

Hey, take off your underpants and put them in my pants. I was going to say, you're good at that. So hang on. Speaking of steps over the line, did you guys consider that flirting? What, when she did that? Yeah, let's repeat that for the family out there. Everybody doesn't know what happened. We should give them the backstory from the Podcast of Palooza event, right? Yes.

Okay, that could be your then, because i obviously i threw that down at you so you can tell the story um we were chatting kate and i and she said she told me she said i want you to take your slip off and then come back and right she was having to go off i thought Yeah. It appears that at least... She was there and still doesn't know what happened. I was going to say she had to be taking my panty off and stuffing it in my mouth. Wow. Wow. That might be a fantasy rather than an actual. Yeah. And now we're flirting.

You were wearing a slip, and she came up to you, and she said, you need to go take that off. Yeah. And then. I said, then I'll be braless. Right. Yes. I hope we can edit all of this out. I have to go in Paris. So let's get back to this whole flirting scenario, because this went a little awry halfway through. Sorry, yeah. Carry on. There's music going. So you're two ladies. You meet at the bar. You walk overseas. Let's work through this and let's have the conversation as if we were there. Have the conversation as if we're there? That's a bit strange.

Well, I mean, if I'm meeting somebody for the first time and I'm walking out. It's not the first time. Oh, so I've already met them. Yeah, you've met. So I think that, okay, that's a bit strange. Well, I mean, if I'm meeting somebody for the first time and I'm walking out. It's not the first time, you know. Oh, so I've already met them. Yeah, you've met.

So I think that, okay, that in itself in terms of flirting is a pretty big differential because first time meeting versus like second time, there's ease of flirting, which goes back to Jay's point earlier when he said you've got to read the situation, right?

So when Jay is flirting with me, for example, and he was like he was like hey you know i want to get up in that i know that it's because we've like he's actually said that he did just to defend jay a little bit on that he did last time we were catching up he was like you know you're also like i gotta get up in that actually he did say that did he i do how is it you remember, but you don't remember the other story? I don't know. I don't know. I was on the floor. I was on the floor. I do remember that. Wow. Okay, so again, I think it's different if it's second time around, you know.

We're not talking about second time around. Get to the third. But now we're talking first time around. Just get to the flirting. Just flirt. Kate has actually flirted with me. Yeah, I know, but I'm asking her to do it now, like as if she's just walked up to you. Oh, okay. Hey, Kate, you're looking hot tonight. This is super weird. Thanks. And there's the conversation finished. Thanks. We were sitting across from each other at the podcast of Palooza. Yep.

And we at the bar we're close like our knees are touching and all of a sudden she just like grazed my thigh and she was like are you okay you're doing good and then we just started having like a deep conversation i was like i think she's actually kind of flirting with me that was like a indicator at that moment maybe you weren't but i think you were no i was we had our like knees intertwined and we were like talking and touching and very close and eye contact and stuff you know all the good stuff yeah you know you know what's interesting about this is that um your comment was you thought she was flirting with you right that whole time you've been trying to find Bob Molly, man.

See? Trying to give you guys some inspiration. That's Three Little Birds. That's actually one of my favorite songs. That's hard to do when you're not in the moment, but I think she actually is a good flirt. Whoa. Whoa. Hey, I took her back to the hotel. It worked, clearly. Yeah, but you were in New York CT mode at that point as well. You were a little more flirtatious and a little more crazy than, let's be honest, you walked down a hotel hall naked almost.

Yes, when I answered the door and she was just like i think that's a good point though because sometimes when we are in an environment like that it's easier for us to let go whereas we've been on a date before just with another couple and in our home where they're friends of ours that we've been with before I'm speaking actually specifically about Nate and he's sitting on our couch and you home where they're friends of ours that we've been with before. I'm speaking actually specifically about Nate.

And he's sitting on our couch and you're sitting next to him and there might as well have been a wall between you because all night you just sit there with your hands in your lap and you're positioned in a way where you don't even look over at him. And you're, like, literally straddling Liv. Yeah. Okay. That's a few things because one, typically if we're in our home, like our kids are here. They're somewhere. Okay, but they were. They were. Our girls were upstairs sleeping. They live here. That's true. So they were. She's absolutely right. They're eight in five. They live here. That's true.

So they were. She's absolutely right. They're eight in five. They live here. Yep. I remember. So I... Sometimes. That's not a good example because I'm constantly looking behind my shoulder like, are kids going to come down and ask for water or something? So that's not good. Alright. Well, I just feel like... Next. You could give some sort of sign that you're interested, right? It could be very subtle. It could be anything. Well, just a hand on a leg, as you just described, is something.

So physical contact, I think, is a very important part of flirting, and it doesn't have to be anything as dynamic as a hand on a leg. It can be just a hand on a shoulder, you know, just an evaluation of, yeah, I mean, exactly, you're laughing, you put a hand on a shoulder, and if there's a cringe involved in that, then that's something that you probably should avoid in future. How's that sound? I think there is, you know, we talk about consent in this lifestyle and I think consent is important, but you also still have to understand, you have to understand how humans work as well.

You know, you can't ask for consent to talk to somebody. You can't ask for consent to shake somebody's hand. You know, things like that are not – consents ask for and implied if you put your hand out and somebody else shakes it. So I think it's important that you judge the situation on that touching. I'm not saying that you walk up and rub your vagina on the back of the head. Try that. But certainly, you know, to actually touch something, you just described Kate as flirting by her touching your thigh, right? Just a soft touch that could or could not have been interpreted as flirting.

Well, here's what happens. go out on a date i actually task myself when we walk into that date the first thing i'll be like right in the first say 10 minutes if i like them i have to touch their arm or like touch their leg or do something like i will actively force myself encourage myself to to do that so i am showing signs of flirting. Because yes, physical touch, absolutely, it is one. But it does sometimes put you out of your comfort zone. Like, I've got to actively think about that and go, hey, do that now. It just doesn't come natural. It does not come natural for me either.

And I think, I don't know if it's partly due to like, if I approach the man and if I'm expressing my interest and then they kind of push back, I'm like, then I feel like, oh, God. When has that ever happened to you? It hasn't, but I don't want it. So the sample size is zero. No man in their right mind. No man in their right mind. Just FYI. It would turn that down. So you're still afraid of rejection that you won't even try, even though you've never been rejected? That seems extreme. I know, it's stupid. I don't know. I just don't, I don't know.

I want the man to be the first one to say, or the woman, I'm interested. From my point of view, here's where it can get a little bit awkward. Because you want a man to reach out and flirt with you. Or a woman. Or a woman. Okay, fair. You want someone to start flirting with you because you don't like to be the initiator. Yes. I often am the initiator. And then. Often, he means always. All the time. Well, I feel like I have to be or else it just would never happen. Right. And so then I get worried because I want that woman to feel what you want to feel. She wants to be wanted, right?

She wants to be in a situation where she feels that she's attractive or, you know, where that you desire her. Exactly. And so the guy that is in that relationship with that woman wants to feel the same from you as well and if you're just sitting back waiting for him to give that to you and maybe he's not as aggressive and he's waiting for you to give that to him then you're at this impasse and it's it's a stalemate right nothing's going to happen i think there's a few there's a few social requirements here to understand as well i I think, you know, historically it's the man's job, right?

I mean, as much as I… If you go back like to courting, you know, back in the day, yes, a man had to court a woman and I think that's probably, you know, yes, some historical stuff at play, right? Yeah, absolutely require there's a almost an underlying feel that the the guy needs to initiate initial and additionally i think in a lot of cases the guys have been kind of trained somehow by society that they need to be the initiators because even look around this subset we have here we've got two guys who are typically the initiators and two ladies who are typically not, right?

And I think that is – I've seen that as a general underlying theme throughout the lifestyle and also life in general just as single. As a single, it's still not considered regular for a lady to ask a guy to the school dance, for example. It's still the guy's job to do the asking. Yeah, I would say that's true. It's getting better. I mean, it is changing, which is a good thing. I think, you know, more power to the ladies. You know, I think there's a lot of social programming there. Okay, so back to Kay's point, though.

I mean, I also do quite um actually and jack you hit the nail on the head day when you were saying to make the woman feel desired to make them feel like you're interested you know that make them feel like attractive i mean that that's awesome i mean everybody wants to feel desired right and so yes we're at a problem here because you also want to feel desired you know i'm sure that jay wants me to make that first move so he feels like i'm desiring him as well sometimes it's nice to be on the receiving end but to your point when i was looking up the flirting stuff i looked up five five styles of flirting and number five is polite it's the polite way of flirting and it's the most least obvious and uh it is from the the basically the quiet or the reserved people have fear who might have fear about you're right, absolutely.

If there's two people that are in that polite way of flirting, the very subtle, very polite way of flirting, then you're not going to get anywhere and that's the problem. And that's where sometimes I have to try and force myself to move between those five flirting styles because otherwise I know there's no way in hell I'm going to be able to take that person home. So hang on, what are the five flirting styles here, babe? I mean, we've done research. Look at you go. I know, I have an iPad and everything. Your research is, it was really good. I enjoyed your blog. I really...

At least share these five styles online with people and then... Yep, we can do that. What I'll do is I'll actually put it up on our website. So I'll put it up on like, I i don't know swingingdownunder.com slash flirting or something and we can link that uh that blog back but the five uh five types of flirting styles one is traditional number one men are more likely to be in making the first move while the woman is happy to sit back right that's number one that's traditional two is physical um you know you start laughing your hand naturally goes to touch the other person's.

That's what I try and do when I'm moving through the ranks, you know, especially if there is some joking involved. Sincere, it's the most common type of floating. You see somebody across the room that takes you fancy. You want to break the ice so you compliment their style. I just did that before with Kay's beautiful dress that she was wearing, which, by the way, was a little bit slutty. She had like a slit up the side, but she had thigh highs on with a little bit of lace poking through. So Kate might actually be just envisaging what you were wearing now. It was fucking awesome.

I saw her nipples through her dress as well because she wasn't wearing a bra. I saw her nipples through a sweater today. She was wearing a sweater and I saw her nipples through a sweater. With two bra. Number four is playful.

The method of flirting can be classified as the most controversial people who use flirting as a tool rather than actually engaging in flirting because they're interested in someone falling into this category so playful flirting that's what you guys do with your banter it seems playful and number five is polite so it's loved by the quietly reserved and introverted amongst us. There is a downside to being polite, and that is that no one may even notice that you are actually fucking flirting. That's me. Hey, so you're suggesting that you can go back and forth between styles.

So you're saying people have a natural tendency to be one of these i guess to be in one of these flirting categories but you can consciously choose to move around them yeah i mean well i mean that's that's not what i've read anyway but certainly that's when i was looking at this i'm like okay well my my go-to is polite that's where i that's where i sit that's where i'm comfortable that is my my realm but when we go to a date i will actively go i need to move into the physical and the playful or you know i need to move between those two because otherwise i know that hey this is going to be another date or a time at a resort or a club where i walk away going i really liked that person and i didn't do anything to actively show them and then therefore they might have also been in the polite category so both of us are walking away going but you know we could have had a lot of fun there but nobody made the first move meanwhile d is walking away going what fuck you didn't like anybody at that party and i'm going no i liked him and her and him but i just didn't you know i didn't actively make myself move between those other categories to show them that i was interested and so therefore it just just doesn't happen you know it's hilarious is what occasionally happens when um when kate will be will be in a room say with a single guy for example will be the single guy that we've played with before and we'll be sitting there and there'll be no flirting no nothing and she'll be sitting at one end of the couch and he'll be sitting at the other end of the couch and then all of a sudden she'll say, do you want to just go upstairs?

Like that's happened more than once where you've just gone, let's just go to the bedroom. And I'm as fucking shocked as he is. He's like looking at you like, wait a second, I'm not even firm here. Like what am I going to do? You're going to have to work on this a little bit, you know. I've seen myself doing that. Yeah. Because I'm only in that realm. You want to know that they like you. Actually, it's funny.

We were talking with some friends of ours today, and we've been with them before sexually, and we've also been out with them in public and have done, like, hand-holding and flirting with each other's partner. I wasn't hand-holding. I was. Yes. Right. That's the story. Okay. Anyway, and they were talking to another couple about that, and they said, that is so uncomfortable to them as they're new swingers.

And they said that is so uncomfortable they have no problem licking somebody's asshole or you know having any kind of rough sex that you can imagine but the idea of holding hands in public is mind-blowing to them and it's funny i think that is sort of a form of flirting i think and it makes uncomfortable. Yeah. Well, I guess, well, hold on. So, hey, why weren't you holding hands? Is it because you found it intimate or because you thought you were in public? Like, what was your? Both. Okay. The intimacy level. We were in a foreign city, though. Well, yes, we were. But I don't know.

I just still. Yeah, I remember you guys discussing this, and it was, we were, but I don't know. I remember you guys discussing this, and you were also still concerned about somebody knowing you guys and figuring out that you were holding the hand of somebody else, right? Yes, we were all in the same bar, and I was kissing Jay, and then all of a sudden she would kiss Jay, and it made me sweat a little bit. Like, it made me uncomfortable because I was like, are people watching us? What do they think? Nobody said anything, but it was just me. Like, I felt uncomfortable.

So when you're out on a date, do you actively try to tell yourself, like, put your hand on that person's leg or touch their arm or something? Like will you force yourself to do that? No. No. So does, okay, after a date or during a date, will Jay walk over to you and say to you like, hey, pick up your fucking game? Like does he try to give you clues or does he try to force you to do stuff? No. Okay. No. Dee, do you want to thank her? That's hilarious because I will occasionally walk over and I'm like, sweetheart, look, seriously, nobody in this room thinks you're interested in them at all.

And she's like, that's not true. I've been flirting with these guys. I'm like, babe, you've been talking to them, not flirting with them. There's a difference. I'll think like me making a joke or me like laughing at somebody's joke is my flirting. I laugh, so he knows that I'm into him. I don't even touch him. I have to fucking remember that because I always just thought I was funny around you, but apparently it's you flirting. I've been flirting hard. You're laughing a lot now.

I mean, but we've certainly had we've certainly had those conversations in clubs and stuff where I'm like babe you just seem you seem like you're not interested in a lot of these people and how do you normally react to that what's your I get mad at you yeah yeah that's right that's my first reaction because my first reaction is like it feels like i'm being attacked so of course my my initial reaction is one of emotion and it's like hey fucking hell i've been touching this person's arm i've been laughing at their jokes i've been making eye contact i'm like you know if they don't get that i'm flirting like whose fault is that at this point and that's something i wanted to talk about today like if i think if i think i'm flirting and i'm doing the whole like eye contact i'm occasionally touching arm laughing at jokes and then like jay just doesn't get it is that my fault that i need to turn up the heat because he's in a traditional maybe flirting category so i'm trying to move through the bands does he need to then think okay she's obviously a little bit subtle and is it jay's responsibility to then maybe come down a little bit and and try to see those signs like surely there's going to be a give and take no jay what do you reckon i agree that it can be hard to read different types of people and so what i'll do is i'll try to make eye contact if i'm not sure i'll try to make eye contact and i'll usually just be very direct and I'll do is I'll try to make eye contact.

If I'm not sure, I'll try to make eye contact. And I'll usually just be very direct. And I'll just say, hey, I'm into you. I said this last night. We met strangers last night who were listeners. And this lady was sitting next to me. And they just wanted to meet.

And we had no plans to do anything other than just have a drink with them and i noticed that she would laugh and she would set her fingers on my arm and just kind of let them linger a little longer than would be i guess socially acceptable if you were just friends and the way that she was sitting she her knee would be pressed up against mine so it's very subtle but it wasn't over the top and i wanted her to know that i was interested so i just said look i think you're really beautiful and i think you're a really cool person and i want you to know that i'm interested in you and and it wasn't anything physical i just told her i was interested and then i think she was it just put her at ease because she knew where i was coming from and if she wasn't interested in me well then it gives her an out to stop touching me or right whatever it is that i thought the signal was so in your case as far as coming down i i think yeah you can meet somebody on their level i certainly, if I feel that I'm being maybe a physical flirter, like one of your categories, and I'm not getting that back, I'm going to stop that.

I'm not going to keep doing that. I'm going to try something different, and maybe that's, you know. But if we both end up being polite, then, yeah, we're just going to sit there and go order a coffee or something. I don't know. I've never seen you go to that polite mode. Sorry. I'm now flirting with you because I'm laughing at your jokes. I love it, Mac. That's awesome. You two calm down, all right? You two. The sex in the room is so thick you could cut it with a knife, all this laughter.

Okay, no, but, Kay, if that was you, so if you were doing those, like, subtle hints and the other guy responded in that way and just said, hey, I'm into you, well, one, has that ever happened because it's never fucking happened to me, and two, it's never fucking happened to me. How would you react? He does it all the time to the other person. And I'm like, what the fuck, dude? It's not you. Other dude. I'm here. No, he was being gracious and saying, like, talking about our podcast, saying, like, I have a nice, sexy voice and blah, that stuff. But... Yeah, that was funny.

Yeah, he was flirting with me. I'm saying, like, typically, you'll be very forward in saying, like, you're very sexy, you're beautiful, I... Really like your dress. Really like your dress. Your hair looks really nice tonight. And I'm not getting that a lot of the times from the other person. A lot of the times. There have been times when I have gotten that, and it's very nice, but a lot of the times you're a little bit more forward than the male. So I sit there like, boo. So this brings in another dynamic.

Do you think that you as ladies have grown accustomed more to the gentleman that you have with you? Yes, absolutely. For example, Jay, I've seen his floating style. It might be a little bit more, less subtle than mine. Maybe it's just a scooch. I don't know, like this label. No, I'm just enjoying that. I think the last time we spoke, there was a conversation about licking an arsehole that just came out of the middle of nowhere, if I remember correctly. Well, actually.

We were quite drunk at the time time so i'm going to give you i'm going to give you a bite context but we we've already been together and so yeah there's definitely a a more comfortable yes i guess talking to people i've already played with and i think i i do i tend to be a little bit more forward when we've been with people before than previous. I think that really depends on your mood because we've had events where we've sat with other people and you've not engaged at all with them. But to your point, though, I do think people, you do get used to what your partner's style is.

You do and you don't expect it. That may be like as much as you're comfortable in your little style you probably become very comfortable in your partner's style and then so that is that connection where if somebody's not that then maybe that also is an uncomfortable thing for you because you know that that's where they sit and you sit here and then that really works that dynamics good so if all of a sudden that other partner is not acting in that manner, that might be also a little bit out of your comfort zone. Without a doubt. All right. I have a moment of real talk, though, here.

Let's specifically go back to November when we were in New York City. I had no idea that you were into me at all or that you liked me at all. either. So, all the way up, even until it was time to leave the event and go back to the hotel room, where we were going to have this orgy, where we ultimately did have this incredible sex party, even on the way back to my room, I still was like, man, I'm invited to this thing, too. She's into me, too, right? She's into me, too. I'm like, I don't know where you're at. She told me to take my slip Thank you. Bye-bye. man, I'm invited to this thing, too.

She's into me, too, right? She's touching my leg. I don't know where you're at. She told me to take my slip off. I'm good. And then, so, yeah, I remember there was a moment, and I was with Kate from Monogamish, and then you were up against the wall, and finally, you and I had a moment. And actually, Daryl was on the bed, and he's like, could you do me a favor and fuck my wife? I was like, absolutely. And I think at that time, we were able to just kiss and make out and have this connection. And up until then, I wasn't really sure if you were into me, which I'm just being honest.

Hey, Daryl, I'm going to field this one. Is that good with you? Go nuts. All right. Radio talkback. Yeah, that is interesting because actually I absolutely know 100% where you're coming from, but I also know the reasons why you felt that way and I know the reasons why I felt that way. So I can actually – I'm happy 100% to share this.

I didn't feel like you were giving me attention because in that situation where with a bunch of other people you had some people there that were had previously made it very obvious that they were into you and you were spending a lot of time fostering that relationship and you've since obviously played with these people so during that evening you were spread pretty thin and so I didn't get uh an opportunity really to get into the stage where I thought that I had your attention I thought that I didn't have your attention and so because of that I then turned my attention to Kay or to other people yeah I was second best no no I'm saying I feel like in general, between the two of you, Kay was giving me the attention I felt like that she was giving me leads and signals that displayed she wanted to make a connection with me, whereas you were just kind of flittering everywhere and I felt like I didn't want to try and pin you down and I didn't want to feel like I was holding you there when you wanted to go and spread your wings a little bit.

So that's why. Spread your seed. This is really good. No, let's keep going because I love this. Because we talk about sex as a hobby, right? And here we are finding out new things about each other, who, this is great. Well, okay, I was a little intimidated. Wait, put your glasses back on. Put your glasses back on and then say, like, this is great. Right? All right. Where's your cigar? All right. No. I really like this. I remember being there, and I was a little intimidated by you, and I think it's what you were saying, right?

A moment ago, Kay was saying that sometimes she wouldn't flirt out of fear of rejection. And I think I had fear of rejection. And so instead of going to, you know, Kate, the podcaster, the international beauty that's coming over to New York, I was like, well, I'm just going to hedge my bet. I knew that already. Yeah, so maybe it was a fear of rejection. And yes, you're right. There were a lot of people there that night for some reason that were into me.

And I was, I guess I'm not good at balancing my time and trying to give everybody a a little piece so i definitely dropped the ball on that your reaction that was exactly the same as my reaction to you in that you had a fear of rejection so you didn't want to uh spend the time i guess you know like actually spend the energy spend the time because there were so many other people in the room and coercely i was like well he doesn't have the time he's not interested so i'm also going to go and like try to find people that which is why sometimes the whole um i'm into you is actually quite a good thing you know you can you can say to somebody i'm into you uh you know are you into me if then or you don't even have to say are they are you into me I'm into you is enough that they'll actually respond either positively or negatively to that.

And either way, you know where you stand. So sometimes that is a good way to go. I think there's always going to be this human interaction where you get things wrong. Like that's an absolute – I think you made it very obvious that you were into Kay, though. I mean, there was no doubt about that whatsoever. I was engaged with the bartender, and then you were rubbing my leg. I'm like, I couldn't move. I think I was sitting at the bar the whole night, mostly. Engaged with the bartender.

that's a nice way to say you wanted to climb the bar scale the bar and fuck the bartender that's you just politely said yeah kate and i wanted to take him but it is hard though to balance your time if there's a room full of people that are obviously you know interesting attractive and everything else you know and you do want to meet people but then how do you balance your time with the the meeting people versus spending enough time with somebody to form a connection to go back and have an orgy in your hotel room there was there was one more factor and it's something that i've never experienced in my life before and it's that people paid money to come and meet us and listen to us talk and so I felt an obligation also to talk to everybody and so that definitely pulled me away from you as well I'm looking at you now, I'm telling you I'm into you and I want you to go Alright, we should go on a date.

Yes just us Wait, am I in too? Yeah, of course Yeah it i was about to check the same thing do we need to date somewhere else i mean i want to come to the comedy show i love comedy show that'd be an awesome date you guys well think about it this way i take her to a comedy show she laughs at everything best flirting ever. Just amazing. I'm going to be the best flirt ever just by taking her to a comedy show. All right. I also have a fun little game. Let's play a fun little game while we're having a bit of fun here. So are they flirting? So here's ten ways to tell if somebody's flirting.

Jay, I want you to tell us if Kay does any of these when she's out on dates. And then, D, you can do something funny to piss me off, too. So, their behavior changes around you. Obviously, we're talking about Kay with somebody else. So, her behavior changes around someone else? Yep. No. She finds a way to touch them. No. Plenty of eye contact. Nope. I don't eye contact? Yes, I do. I disagree with that one. Okay. I'll give you that. Okay, here's a good one. So if she sees somebody in the club, say she would move into their line of sight, kind of like peacocking a little bit. Oh, no. Oh, okay.

I tried that a lot in November in New York City when you were moving around the room. I don't know if you remember, but you were talking to somebody else and I actively came up and put my hand on your shoulder and tried to get in the conversation. Jay? No, me. I do remember. And then I was like, oh, cool, and left because I just felt totally rejected. So I was trying to like peek up like, hey, I'm here, and then you were like talking to somebody else. Body pointed in their direction. So, like, if you were sitting, you would, like, move your body physically over to their direction.

I wish she would, yeah. Okay. Well, another one along the same vein, but their body language changes. Maybe she's a little more relaxed. Okay. Here's a good one, Jay, for you. They tease you. Also known as taking a piss, also known as... Yeah. Yeah. Are you saying does Kay do that? Yeah, like flirting, like tease people in terms of like, you know, being a bit cheeky. I think I do that. Maybe just... I don't know. Alright, here's a good one. Laughing at their jokes. Yes. Oh, yes. See? That's what I do. She'll do that. I'm laughing at you.

But then she'll ruin it because she'll laugh and she'll be like, I laughed so hard I peed. How would you never say that? would never say that on a date on a date i love how you add a caveat to it like i'd never do that on a date uh just by the by this podcast is not sponsored by depends um It's sponsored by three kids. Does she fidget in suggestible ways? Maybe. Judging by the confused look on her face I just saw then, I'm going to say that was a firm no. And the last one is, is she relaxed and present? Definitely relaxed. Oh, yes, I'll give her that. Thank you. High five.

I'm relaxed and present. She's two out of ten. She's a 20% flirter. I don't know if that's. It must be you. Thank you. No. Whoa. You're beautiful. I'm going to answer the same questions for you now. Oh, okay. You want to do that? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You've got to show him then. I can't show him. I'm just going to ask you. I'm going to answer these questions. Does your behavior change around other people? Absolutely. Yes, your behavior does change. You actually become, especially you guys saw the worst case of it or best case of it. What? Best case.

I'm going to say best case at New York City where Kate just fucking took over. She just lost it. Opened the door and she's just in the sexiest little night. Yeah. But, yes, behavior always changes around other people. You always try to sex it up a bit more. That's probably me trying to be a little bit more assertive. Yes, that as well. That's it. In action, right fucking there. That's me trying to do things more assertively. Finds a way to touch. Oh, I'm going to say that depends on the night. A lot of the time, no. Plenty of eye contact. And she came up and touched me on the shoulder, too.

You guys are there's a bias, you know, there's a situational bias here with New York CT in action. Seriously, because they're very different. She was also naughty in New Orleans, too. And there was no touching. No touching at all. See, exactly. And you walked me to the bathroom and told like 17 jokes, though. Well, it's a good thing you were on your way to the bathroom with all that laughing I need to let them in the bathroom right now eye contact I don't think you try to move into the line of sight I don't think I've ever seen you do that. Yeah, in New York I did. Yeah, okay.

She did with me, I was going to say. She was like. Body pointing, body language changes, yes, absolutely. You do certainly do those. It's interesting, you become a little more feminine when you're trying to flirt. Yeah. Like your movements are a little more feminine than you would normally be at home. That's interesting. Maybe that just goes back to the whole, you know, that historical, like I want to be desired and so I'm going to try and be my best version of, yeah, kind of like come and desire me. No, that's exactly what happens.

She's like, you know, with a little handshake in front of the mouth when she giggles. Things like that. It's cute, but it happens. You definitely pull the piss out of people yeah in uh in washington dc it was funny because that's that i was like take you know like having a go at you and uh oh yes actually i really admired that i loved it yeah that was awesome fidgeting in suggestible ways is not you don't ever do that what does that even mean like no no fidgeting in suggestible ways is not, you don't ever do that. What does that even mean? No, no, fidgeting in suggestible ways.

Is that like playing with my labia at the table? No, just this. Just rubbing your bottom lip is enough, isn't it? Okay, alright. That's a nice little. Oh, that's a good one. Just a little. In the ear? In the ear? Nobody's rubbing their ear to be sexy unless it's an earpenny. No, that's not cool either. It does. Whereas the bottom lip, you know, you can just part the lip a little bit and just all you have to do is look like you're scratching it. I'm really floating right now. Yeah, the lower the lip gets, the more flirtatious I've become. Yeah.

All right, so we've taken the piss out of the girls. Kay, how do you feel about Jay's flirting style, just generally with other people? He's got 100%. Your flirt name is off the charts. No, we just recognized a case where it sucked. Oh, it totally sucked then. I guess. Well, I mean, which side of the coin are we going to be on here? Because I'm confused. Yeah, that sucked that night for you. But typically, if we're on a date, you are very engaged. I'm just saying, you can't say 100% because there have been times when it's been... It hasn't gone well. It doesn't go well every time. No.

Typically, though, though your game is on your flirt game is on well it takes mental effort yeah we're on a date you're engaged with the other person you're telling the other person like they're attractive or attributes that you like about them. And, yeah. Do you think that he does better on a couple date? Yeah. Better than a larger event? Yes. Yes. When you're focused on one person, you are in. Yeah, if I'm talking to one person, I want that person to feel like they're the only person. You have done that consistently every time we've had a couple dates. You are very engaged with that.

So much so sometimes that I'm like, because if the other guy is not engaged with me in that way, I'm just like, oh, yeah. Yeah, and it is a tough balance as well when you're doing that to have the understanding of engaging with both and still keeping, because you've had that problem as well where you felt that I've left you out because the other person, male or female, is not engaging with you as well as you would have hoped. It's hard to drawing everybody in. I'm getting better. You've gotten. In the beginning, it was harder sometimes.

Well, I mean, you're talking in a couple situation, you're now talking about three to possibly four-way flirting, depending what you're into. Yeah. Especially, and it is more, I have to say, it's more difficult for the bisexual people out there, whether it be ladies or gentlemen, to try and flirt in an appropriate way with the guys and the girls. I think I've seen that with you, Kate, is that your flirting with ladies comes a lot easier than it does flirting with men. I want to take a pause. Can we talk about that a little bit more? Yeah, go nuts.

Because I'm bisexual too, and also I'm very cognizant of the female interaction.

So what I'll sometimes do as well is I will, and I mentioned this in the blog that I did, but I will actively seek out time with the female of the couple to understand whether or not she's feeling my vibe and therefore is giving me the green light to fly up with her partner like if i'm if i walk up to her and i approach her and she's giving me you know resting bitch face or she's giving me um she's looking down on me she looks like she's aggressive not interested bored whatever it might be that the reaction then then i will not proceed to fly up with her husband regardless of whether i think i've got a really good connection with him i will shut that shit down because as far as i'm concerned i want her to be okay with me engaging with her husband and possibly seeing me naked in their bedroom later so that that is that is something that i particularly find as a boundary for me whereas i know other females might not even seek out not my um approval but maybe my like, yeah, this is cool, you know, I'm feeling it.

I don feeling it. I don't know. Yeah, so have you, do you ever do that too? And I got a recent example where she was just giving me daggers and she just was not, you know, she was looking down on me. I felt like she was belittling me.

And then I was like, cool, I'm going to stop flirting at all with your husband right now meanwhile he's he wants me to flirt with him and so he's thinking like why why is she no longer flirting or why doesn't she want to flirt with me i did it's just that you know i might feel shut down by that by that female part i don't typically feel shut down by the female i haven't had that happen no it's actually been been the opposite I've had a lot of female, great interactions with females yeah, but I like your approach, I like that you are conscious, like you walk up to the female and you're engaging and you're deciding whether or not you want to proceed sometimes that falls away as well because sometimes you become more engaged with the female and then forget to flirt with the male.

He wanders off to go find somebody who's actually interested in him. Yeah, and then you get that balancing happening. I've seen that happen as well where I'm like, hey, look, he wants to be, but no, it's too late. he's gone. Forget it, forget it. That's okay for you, I guess, because you're bisexual. What are your thoughts, Jay? Oh, I think from a male perspective, it's very similar. You have to, I want to make sure that the other guy in the relationship knows that we're, we're cool. And usually that's done through joking or pulling the piss.

But I think once you get the green light from the other guy that you guys are cool with each other, it does open up that door to flirt with his wife or significant other. And it's a balance. You want to make sure that you're not pouring it on too heavy so that he's kind of feeling uncomfortable. You know, it's weird.

You're trying to keep your wife comfortable so you're not flirting too hard, but you want the person you're flirting with to know that you're interested without making anybody else uncomfortable and then you want to make sure that the other person in the relationship is on board too. It's not easy. It's not easy for everybody to be able to do that simultaneously with three other people. And it's a miracle that any of us end up in bed together. That's what I say. Go right to the bedroom and just get to the fuck. Let's get to the fucking. She's all about reverse dating.

So is one of your, if you're going to leave somebody with a tip then, would your tip be, you know, from Jay's Corner, to say to people, I like you, you know, I'm into you. Would that be like, because, you know, if people are down in that polite area, maybe they don't really understand. If somebody's up in that other area, they might not understand. So, you know, is that your takeaway? Like, just tell people. I think that's been the most successful thing that I've done. And I think it's the safest thing, because then you're not left wondering, oh, what if, right?

I should have done this or I should have done that. If you tell them and they're not interested in you and they reject you, one, it's okay. I mean, it might hurt, but it's okay because you can move your attention to somebody else, especially if it's at an event and you're not left wondering. And then that other person automatically knows like, hey, this person expressed interest in me. So whether it's subtle or whether it's just complimenting on them, think about what a lot of us go through before we go to an event. You spend a lot of time doing your hair and getting your nails done.

I don't spend much time on my hair. You're good. So when people notice these things, they're very small actions, but they can have a lot of impact because you're appreciating what they brought to the event or to that night Thank you. So when people notice these things, they're very small actions, but they can have a lot of impact because you're appreciating what they brought to the event or to that night, and it's a good way to start that. Yeah, so to answer your question in a long-winded way, that's my recommendation. Just tell people up front that you're interested in that.

I want to add a whole other dynamic to this now because we generally start with a kick or, you know, some form of group chat prior to. Flirting over written word. So we're now talking about flirting via written word, right? And I think the only way, because you've now taken out the eye contact, the, you know, half of the things that we've just mentioned around what's sort of important to flirting are now not available. So now you've got to be avert. So now you have to be avert in terms of how you actually go after somebody. Yeah, that's a great point. And it's 100% different.

That is very challenging. And there's missed context. And both of you have to be on board. So there's times when she's not in the mood to chat and I am or maybe vice versa. And it can really be challenging because sometimes you'll be in a chat where only maybe one or two people are actively engaged. And everybody's playing catch-up. And that's not easy. Yeah, I'm even worse at the kick-off game. But it's funny because when I'm away, when I'm traveling, though, and you are, let's say we're having some sexy talk. You and I? Yeah, you and I. Oh, yeah. You're so good at it.

Yeah yeah you're really good at it and i i'm not sure how to translate that into single males i'll do that too yeah because i'm not typically like chatting i'm just like there's a photo or something so it's less conversational and more yeah but you have you have to be more avert by text because it's the only way you can get your message across, right? So the whole movement of photos or images or even just being really quite avert and saying, you guys are fucking hot, I'd really like to fuck you. And that's my problem.

For me, it feels like, actually, do you have any of those text messages that she was sending you, Jay, that you can read out, like examples? Okay. Oh, no. Bring a couple of those up on your phone. But in the meantime, I find that in a group conversation, it's either, hey, how's your day? Oh, my God, this is what's happening in my work. It's either just totally conversational, casual conversation. Benoign conversation.

Or it'll be, here's a pussy shot and god i want to fuck you hard grab my neck push me up against the wall like oh no do you know what i mean like i feel but yeah but you know what i mean like i just don't feel like there's like a medium where it's like there's no medium there's no medium it's either that or that yeah this or that yeah it's and so um i think you're actually flirting live in concert is significantly better than your flirting and your reaction to my flirting when we do it via text. If we do it via text. When I flirt via text, you're like, what the fuck did you just say?

You can't say that. That's disgusting. Here's a text that Daryl, this is in the blog, Daryl sent to somebody at 3.25 in the morning after meeting a couple that evening and say we met them at 10 or 11, so we've known them now for four hours. At the end of the day. There's a text that Daryl, this is in the blog, Daryl sent to somebody at 3.25 in the morning after meeting a couple that evening and said we met them at 10 or 11, so we've known them now for four hours. Thanks for hanging out with us tonight. Hope you had fun. Also, we'd love to have weird sex with you both or at one at a time.

Fuck, I hope I have the right number. Kissy face. I love that. Come on, it's cute. It's funny. It's got some sexiness in it. It is. I can't believe that I came up with that at 3.25 shit-faced after a night out. It's like that. That's pretty amazing. That's pretty amazing. So, yeah, I mean, I think you have to be more avert in text for people to get the – because the underlying subtext is not there when you only have one line of text to write.

So in my text and my flirt game when we're texting, as far as I feel like I'm flirting because we don't have any of that physical side, is that I'm paying attention to you and I'm asking you how things are going and I'm trying to engage with you at a deeper, meaningful level. That's me trying to flirt when we're on text, which doesn't always work because they're just like, oh, she's really nice. We're going to put her totally in the friend zone. She's going into the friend zone. That's where we're going to put her. It's going to be awesome. She's going to be a great friend.

Jay looks like he's got a text message. All right, I found out. I don't know what he found. Awesome. He's gone to the dark side. side this is from two weeks ago I was down in Florida and we were having a chat back and forth and she I started it she's freaking out right now she is freaking to find pictures and I said hey I've been slow stroking to your pictures for a while and she she said, I just came. The thought of you eating my pussy did it for me. And she's like, plus, there are clean sheets on the bed, so it smells amazing. That is actually very cute as well. That is so mean.

Oh, my God, that is so her. It's clean sheets on the bed. But she said, pretend I'm looking at you through the camera, telling you with my eyes and my moans how hot you are and how amazing your cock feels inside, deep inside my slutty pussy. Yeah. Wow. Nice. Man, that is. That is. That foot game is strong. Yeah. That's another level. I was like, oh my god, yes, I want that. And she's like, do you have some pre-cum for me, baby? Oh, wow. That's awesome. Kay's like, story time's over now. I'm sweating. I'm sweating. This is in a... There's a zone. I don't know if that's flirty.

Is that flirting or is it just sex? No, that's not flirting. It's really just sex. That's just sex. It's really just sex. That's sex. So I think that's sexting or not flirting. I don't flirt. Well, I guess the clean sheets were. The clean sheets were case-based. This is interesting. So do you think you go from not flirting to sex in, because you said you prefer that sometimes in normal situations. Do you think it's the same in text?

You go from not flirting to sex in because you said you prefer that sometimes in in normal situations do you think it's the same in text you go from not flirting to yeah put some pre-cum on my face yeah yeah so the in between you're on or off lip gloss actually yeah i do no i actually. Yeah, I do. It's delicious. No, I'm not kidding. Awesome shit. That's hilarious. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah. But only if there's clean sheets. If they're three-day-old sheets, get the fuck out of here. We don't want to know. Get the fuck out of here or come away. I'm busy.

One of Kate's favorite things is when she comes home from a trip away anywhere that I've changed the sheets when she gets home. She's like, I'm so excited. So good. The best. Yeah, wow. I mean. I know, we're so lame. I'm horribly excited by Gigi. Daryl, Jay gave a really good piece of advice before. What's your takeaway for how to flirt or flirting better or just flirting in general? What do you got? I think the biggest takeaway is you've got to put yourself out there. So Jay's way is putting yourself out there for sure. But in any way, you have to put yourself out there.

If you're willing to engage in the touch side, then you have you have to linger right you have to linger and judge you linger yeah you can't just it can't be just what you do with friends you know a pat on the back is not flirting true so this is not flirting but like rubbing up and down yeah yeah absolutely yeah i think yeah i have a hair stand up on the back of my neck and it's not just the hair standing up right now, there's other things standing up as well. But yes, I think it's important to play with your lip, yes, definitely grab your bottom lip and display your bottom teeth.

Like you've got a disc. And wink. But make it a really seedy, like two-eye wink. A two-eye wink because you can't wink properly, you know. Oh, God. All right.

My piece of advice is to try and, if you think you're in the polite mode like I am, maybe really try to push your boundaries and try to move between those those areas like actively walk into a date or an event or something and set yourself a little goal and be like i will touch somebody interesting i will put my finger up his ass no i will um i will i will try to be a little bit more assertive because i want him to know and yeah that'd be my takeaway like try to force yourself to do that change yeah all right k's corner same same like i obviously i do nothing she's just realized that i do is going to be a bonus yeah just letting the other person know if i find them attractive in any way or if they're saying something funny and I think it's lovely and I like it, then I should tell them.

Alright, we're going to put this to the test. We're going to do some homework. In a couple weeks, we're supposed to meet this couple that we've never met before and they're coming gosh. And I'm going to report back to you on her flirting technique and see if she is putting any of these into exercise. What do I have to put into exercise? What? The whole hour we just spent talking about it. Where were you? This is one of the things for flirting's being present. So if you could work on that one as a star, that would be great. All right, we've got to work it out for us here.

By the way, it seems like, Kay, it does seem like we might all be having a go at your expense, but I think you did quite well in the flirting game when I saw you with Kate and with me at the podcast of Palooza, so no problem. There you go. I think you did quite well. Snaps for Kate. Yeah, and I have to say Kate was in her number one prime above prime, actually. She was like at 195,000% that weekend. She was on fire. Oh, my God, it was terrifying. I wanted all the sex.

I was actually a little concerned that she was just going to be one big red swollen blob of human passion after the end of the weekend.pless human passion because uh yeah she just wanted all of the sex i will i this is a little it's related i don't know if you call this flirting or not there's so many different parts of flirting and i know we're wrapping up but when we did finally get into the hotel room and you you transformed like in front of me or maybe it's because now finally I was paying attention to you, but you transformed into this sexual goddess that you were so comfortable and fluid, and honestly, you ran the room.

You did. You were like, you go here, you do this, you... No, not barking orders. No, in a great way. In a great way. It was, I was like, yes, I elect you as leader of sex. I had one of the best sexual experiences in my style. And that was like a form of flirting. You were just very, like, in your element, and I was so impressed. You do love to organize shit. Yeah, when you guys get to the bedroom, that's where your flirting comes out. We went flirting with that. A few cocktails, we're like, that's where we shine. Actually, that's a fair statement. That is a fair statement.

I can say certainly that event, both of the ladies, sorry, excuse me, all three of the ladies found their groove once they got to the bedroom. They may have found each other's groove a couple of times as well, just quietly. Well done. Yeah, you like that? Was that punny enough? I did the intro in, so you guys have got to do the outro, and then I'm going to get Dee to tell you a story about the sex we had the other night, speaking of very raw, interesting sex. Yes. Okay, I'm going to tell that story. No, you're going to tell the story. They're going to do the outro. Okay. Whatever that is.

Wait, you're telling it on the air or just for us? It's for you. A little secret last story. Aw, everybody else. Suck it, you guys. Well, we hope you've learned a little bit about flirting from either our mistakes or from our advice. And we are saying goodbye from C and D and J and K. And do you guys have something that you say when you leave your podcast? C and D and J and K. We just don't have to say. Oh, no. Oh, my God. She slipped into cheerleader mode. Wow. Put a skirt on, I get some high kicks going, and I'm in. She's getting a little bit into my whiskey tonight, I think.

Something's happening. Anyway, we hope you – can we even say red light night? It's not even our podcast. No, of course you can. We hope you have a red light night full of flirting and touching the lingering eye contact eye contact taking a piss and the occasional finger in the asshole apparently. I would rather batwing your scrotum and like wrap it over my face then that's not flirting that's that's not flirting because he's saying because he was looking at me in the eyes when he said it