P40 – A and Mr T – The First Experience!

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Ever wanted to be handed the keys to a Ferrari, meet the sexiest voice on iTunes, or perhaps kiss a little C down under? November 2017 at Desire Pearl may be your chance. Come along with us on a swing trip of epic proportions by letting us know you're interested on one of our sites. A personal message on Twitter with your names and email addresses will work as well. As soon as we have the details finalized, you'll be the first to know. What's your thing? Care to join us? Come along and find out. Fuck you later. This is Dee. And this is Dee. And this is Swinging Down Under.

We have some fantastic guests this evening.

Well, depends on what time of the day you're listening to it, but we do have some fantastic guests hailing from the United States of the day you're listening to it but we do have some fantastic guests hailing from the united states of america welcome uh a and mr t thank you for having us hey thanks for joining us and um these guys on twitter are sexy married secrets you've probably heard us talking about some questions recently on a on a podcast and we thought we'd take the opportunity to have a chat so you guys have just started this weekend pretty special weekend right yes yes very special we'd love to hear a little bit of background on on the both of you and also well if i can interject i actually i want to say something about uh you guys and you you know we've we've been talking for a couple of weeks now and you've shared some some information on yourselves And I just, I want to congratulate you guys for how you've displayed your ability to collaborate as a couple and communicate as a couple and I know Mr.

T you know you can probably elaborate on it but you guys had a pretty robust and and difficult conversation about joining the lifestyle about you know what you guys want sexually do you want to talk a bit about that because i think that's really special and i think it should be applauded i agree um yes um i am a bisexual and i actually attempted to hide it for many years. My wife, on our 18th wedding anniversary, she had these lingering thoughts about it and decided to bring me home one night when the kids were gone, and she got me drunk. Nice work, eh?

Yes, that's a great way to do it and then she set me down and um the way that she did it was amazing because she proceeded the conversation with this is a judgment-free zone uh whatever you say um i will accept um i will i will believe and I will love you regardless of what the outcome of this conversation was. And so for me, it was extremely difficult because I was unwilling to admit it to myself for many years because I grew up in an extremely religious, extremely conservative household. If you were that way, it was against God's plan and everything.

So it was extremely difficult for me, myself, just to accept it myself. And then for me to utter the words to her was an amazing step. But I was tired of hiding of hiding it from her. I was tired of the wall that it was creating between us. Uh, I was tired of the lies that I was having to tell when I was trying to feed this monster. Um, so, uh, I just let it blurted it out. I said, I am bisexual, or actually I think at that time I called bi-curious. Bi-curious, yeah. Yes.

So after we talked about it and everything, it opened an amazing door for us because we were able to communicate and talk about it. It didn't get easy. Well, it got easier, but there was still a lot of stuff that we had to talk about. So we made a package to each other that we would have our weekly or daily check-ins, whatever we needed to do and just talk. So we'd go on our bedroom, we'd shut our doors and we'd say, okay, how are you doing today? And there were a lot of tears, a lot of crying, a lot of yelling. And then she got emotional too. And so, but it opened the door.

And so that was two, two and a half years ago uh it opened our uh it opened our way to oh shit that's going on four years ago oh yes we're going on 22 years yes 22 years time flies yes uh but it opened the door for us to become more adventure more adventurous sexually uh we discovered the um both of our desire and love of um pegging and actually enjoying porn together freaking gay porn is where it's at dude we don't love watching two hot guys going at it dude they know what they want they go after it that's awesome yeah i gotta say well done i'm impressed with both of you for the way you've handled this yeah i mean a you know the fact that you you came forward and i guess wanted to have these conversations without judgment because you cherish and love your partner i mean guys that's special i mean regardless of whatever your experiences are from here on out i mean you got to know that that not a lot of people not a lot of relationships have the ability to have these conversations and be non-judgmental and just you know cherish your partner for who they are as an individual so you know i hope there's people out there listening and feel that they can try to have that same conversation because you guys have done it and it's obviously working.

And it obviously has given you both a stronger relationship. Actually, that's probably a good question. Has it? Has it opened interesting conversations? Yes, because at this point, nothing's off limits. There's not a topic that we can't talk about.

It's cut down amazingly on the amount of arguments, the amount of frustration between us, because if we can talk about that and overcome that and actually grow closer together then what else is there you're sorry you're so right um and i mean i i i joke and i don't want to make a light-hearted um point of this but if you can have like you said that tough conversation then And those little niggly, you know, day--to-day relationship issues they just kind of just become so open and just you know hey this is annoying me today and you can work on it you mean like somebody leaving the top off the toothpaste like that apparently d that drives him insane and has done for many years but for whatever reason he's just you know really bundled that anger i've swallowed it because i love you you know so yeah i don't want to make a light-hearted you know joke about it but um what we've found is that once you have this communication you can i mean it goes anywhere you can have that just ability to to chat and engage with each other regardless of the topic, and I think that helps with relationships to build them and make them a little bit stronger.

So that was four years ago, A. Tell us, so you had that conversation four years ago.

You said you've been kind of experimenting in the bedroom experimenting with with porn i'm assuming kind of talking about fantasies and all those are just really sexy amazing conversations you guys now get to have um what what then has led you to swinging i mean how how did that transpire i think it was a lot of it because at first he was classifying himself as vicarious and then he would say bisexual and then that kind of got on my nerves because i'm thinking you can't be bisexual if you haven't done it yet so then it became this discussion of oh my gosh i would just love to see him i would just love to share a guy with him how awesome and hot that would freaking be because i think he's really good with his mouth i don't have the parts for it but i would just have loved to have shared that with somebody and to share that with a guy for both of us was was a pretty awesome fantasy of ours for a few years and we just we never thought that we would actually take that step until we started listening to podcasts and how awesome it was and um yeah just listen to other people's experience right and it was never necessarily about the sex no it was about the relationship and being together and sharing something together yes and that's what it no longer made it as scary or as taboo or as forbidden and so and we're both um you know big members of our church and everything like that so we had to wrestle with the how that interacts with god's plan and then we had a discussion about, you know, that God wants us to be happy in our relationship.

And we're not committing adultery because both of us know exactly what we're doing and we're not putting it apart from each other.

So, you know, after we wrestled with all that stuff, and then she was actually the one that decided to set up the appointment I was actually very surprised it's a mutual friend of ours and I half jokingly half secretly seriously asked him to do some work for us and then i added oh and by the way you could be our third because we're thinking about entering a lifestyle type of situation and he jumped on it okay um and this this gentleman i mean he just really surprised the hell out of both of us because i had no idea that he even may be any type of bisexual at all either so yeah yeah so was he somebody you i suppose you you met at church or you knew from church or something like that no No, not church at all.

He was someone that I used to work with on the side. We both have a hobby interest, but we've both known him for years, Mr. T and I. Okay. So he was a mutual friend of ours.

I mean, it's a funny one because um some people say when they first get into you know potentially playing with others like some people set these these uh boundaries or the rules and they say we don't we want this person to be completely mystery you know they don't have anything to do with our life we've never met them they are almost faceless nameless a third person or fourth person in the room yeah just a little further away from home. Yeah.

You know, I think that it's interesting and great that you were able to have this conversation with this gentleman who I guess you guys were both comfortable with. Right. Sorry, Mr. T?

it it shocked me that a would select this individual because of how close it was and because we have to be extremely extremely discreet with this type lifestyle, unfortunately, based on our work and our community involvements and our family but when she mentioned it it just made sense yeah this person also has to be discreet we both know this individual we're both comfortable with this with this person and it was, it just happened. It just made sense. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Even for us, we still need to be discreet as well, you know, which is interesting given we have a podcast.

And also I'm at editing out names oh they know nothing about that just a shout out to everyone who constantly helps d and i moderate our own podcast when we name drop thanks guys yeah especially the two we have on the other end of the line here because we've copped at least a couple of updates. Well, it's actually funny because the last time you guys told me that I'd name-dropped Dee, I sat there and listened to an hour and 10 minutes of our podcast, and because I'm so used to saying the name or hearing the name, I couldn't find it. So thank you. We appreciate it. No problem.

Give us an opportunity to listen to it two or three times as well god sorry about that so um i mean do you want to talk to us a little bit about the night i mean leading up to the catch-up what you guys kind of did to prepare and you know how nervous you were feeling um yeah some of the emotional roller coaster yeah i mean excitement like sexy you know getting each other ready um you know all of that stuff run us through what you guys did interesting enough simultaneously we were also answering emails from other folks that we were scoping out. I don't know what the terminology is here.

Scoping out, that works, yeah. Hunting down. Hunting down. Praying on. Praying on. I went to respond to an email to someone, and I burst into tears and folded it up, and I said, I can't do this. do this I'm done I can't do this so that was working simultaneously with the preparation with this gentleman friend of ours but it never caused me to pause with this guy because and I even asked Mr. T if if um if that was weird that I had no reservations whatsoever. But anyway, to answer your question in the first place, the night before we did a lot of grooming, um, there was an inspection follow up.

Yeah. Uh, I, uh, I'm OCD about everything. So, for like the four days leading up to it i am prepping i'm making sure that all the laundry's done i'm making sure the house is clean i'm making sure that there's grocery stock i'm making sure the kids have everything they need their homework is caught up on um that areas of the house they will never see are cleaned, all the Christmas shopping is done. The bomb shelter's prepped. This actually sounds somewhat familiar, I've got to say. Yeah, Mr. T, you know, man after my own heart, I do the same thing. Yeah.

C will make sure that the rubbish has been taken out and the rubbish bins have been cleaned internally you know it's quite funny we finished and everyone was happy and everyone was getting cleaned up and mr t had left the room and and the friend and i were standing there and i said look dude we've got coffee out there we've got a vegetable tray and he kind of laughed it off and we came around the corner to the kitchen and he said oh shit you're not kidding we had coffee well mr t had coffee and a vegetable tray laid out so we just sat around and had a conversation for about an hour after oh that's awesome exactly what he drank what he liked everything so yeah that would have made it a lot easier i think than the experiences we've had you know because we we're still learning the people still finding out things about them still trying to understand whether what they drink what they you know um what style of coffee they're like one lump or two as i say i mean having that um that catch up after though, I mean, it's great that you guys, and I guess this is why you chose this particular person, that you were so comfortable that you can say, wow, we just did a lot of stuff in that bedroom and, hey, here's a carrot stick and a coffee.

Let's have a conversation about it. Carrot stick, good choice as well, the vegetable platter. Did your homework, no doubt. Yes, I did. And since this is really recent, I mean, this is a couple of days old, but have you guys taken the time to debrief and have a conversation with each other and talk about the highlights, what you enjoyed, what maybe could be better next time, how you might approach this with other people. Have you had that debrief? Yes. Yeah, several times. Yeah, right after the gentleman left, we debriefed. Well, there was a whole lot of giggling at first. Can we just do this?

Oh, my God. Yes, it was. are you okay? Is there any residual issues? No, there's none whatsoever. I don't have any either. No regrets. It was amazing. Yes, it was. All right. And thank you. Yes, thank you. I can't believe this.

And because it was, what, 44 years of feeling, what would that feel like doing and then doing it it and then the connection that we had while we were doing it was amazing um it really is um it was more looking her in the eyes um and just feeling the heat that she was feeling and just being a part of that was just amazing yeah isn't it interesting i actually just reached out and touched c's leg in the middle of what you were saying because we had the same thing you know after our first real event um i'm not sure I ever felt as close with somebody as I did after I shared her with somebody else, which is ludicrous.

Right. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. But then if you've never experienced it, it wouldn't make sense to you. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right.

We were talking off air prior to this and mr t you mentioned there were an awful lot of number of firsts for you and i'm sure there were for a as well i'm just wondering you know what you're comfortable with can you give us an idea of what your firsts were well first person besides my wife um first person um that i ever well i i sucked his cock and then actually um he uh penetrated the annual and angling and so um and then i uh enjoyed the whole um cook hold experience as well i had a chair set up beside the bed and watched them to enjoy themselves um and then had carrot sticks and coffee after so the carrot sticks and coffee were they first as well?

Yeah, wow. Just wow.

so the carrot sticks and coffee were they first as well yeah wow just wow guys yeah i gotta say i'm i'm we're both sitting here with big grins on our face we're so excited for the fact that you guys had had fun doing this now i bet you really burned through a lot of um sexual fantasies there in the one session too absolutely well it's funny because we were we were like i am like very organized so i wanted this checklist i kept saying okay we need a script what's gonna what's gonna happen here what's gonna happen here and she kept saying just just let it happen just chill out i was like okay but what do you want when do you want it uh just chill out.

Just shut up and just let it happen. So when he came into the room, you're buck-ass naked, then I was like, okay, just chill the F out. So I was sitting in the chair, and then she proceeded to, you know, there was some- I didn't proceed. I jumped off the bed and put his hands on my tits. And then he started to finger me and I started to stroke him. And we got it off that way because everyone was trying to figure out who was supposed to be doing what. So I jumped right in. The dudes were standing around trying to discuss logistics.

And I'm sitting over here getting wet going, screw you all, we're going to do this now. I love it. It seems like you guys have the same dynamic as us because C's the, you know. In the opposite direction. Like I'm Mr. T and you and A are like some patty. Yeah, you're the organizer. You need to have everything in place. You need to almost have a script as how the night's going to play out. Whereas I'm similar to you.

We'll be flirting with a couple, you couple you know drinking and d gets to a point where he's like seriously it's midnight are we gonna progress this to the bedroom is this gonna happen or should i mean this is all fun this is great this is sexy conversation i'm loving it but i kind of want to see people naked right now that's awesome well um yes so you know after you well for 22 years to be with the same person where you you know the signals you know the signs on what they're expecting what what gets them going and then you add this third element in the room and you want them to enjoy the experience as well.

So it's trying to learn that very, very fast to make sure they're okay. So it was just, it was just. That makes you a very, Mr. T is an extremely considerate lover. He has to, not to toot our own horns here, but I'm multi-orgasmic, and I never knew that before I met him because he is so OCD with making sure everyone else is happy in the room, and usually that's me. Awesome. That's a good place to be. There's probably a lot of women out there listening to this podcast right now just going, damn it. I don't know. I don you know, you've got me. I out package.

Hey, throw in a good roast and a nice banana cake and, you know, you've got me. I also cook. Yes, I do most of the cooking. Yes. It's interesting you say that. I may have taken some scones or scones, depending on how you want to pronounce it, into cease work last week, and I think I've got about 15 ladies who have decided they're going to follow me home. People are hoping I drop dead and then they can just come and move right in. The thing is, they don't realize you don't need to drop dead for that.

Well, that's what, in the back of his head, he's like, just tell them they can, we share, it's fine. 15 ladies, 16 ladies and me, that sounds like a pretty good party.

You know you can't handle that, come on i know i like to dream what um what about what's so i mean a you wanting to experience and have this fun with mr t and um you know see him with another man i mean have have you guys kind of spoken about you know what what might be next like what other things are open in the realm are you feeling like you're just going to stay with having a another man in the room or do you think that might progress over time um i don't know we've been discussing now because before mr t and i got together, I was living with a girl for like three and a half years.

I actually thought that I was lesbian before I met him. So I'm thinking, hey, I'm kind of missing the other flip side of it now. So I'm kind of thinking maybe we could find a unicorn in the future that we could both share.

That sounds fun yes it does awesome that's um yeah that sounds sounds like a very interesting dynamic almost like one that we uh we've mentioned previously which i know you guys is another podcast that you guys listen to good friends of ours by the by yes yeah so um it's it's exciting it's an exciting look forward isn't it seeing where you where you were only four days ago just discussing it and now what it's what the doors have opened And what's amazing, though, is that uh a didn't think that i would be up to being with another woman because she thought that i was yeah we were both so fixated on this this bisexuality part of it that it never occurred to me that he might actually want um another set of tits in the room that that's hilarious that'll happen though oh yes yes definitely well i mean this is the thing the whole experience is from the start even for us we still learn new things every time i mean not only now every time we hook up with somebody else but every time we're in the bedroom as well.

We learn new things every time. I mean, not only now every time we hook up with somebody else, but every time we're in the bedroom as well, we learn new things about each other because we're now much more open to discuss things that we never would have discussed historically. Like what, for example? Oh, well, so recently we de-bought a toy a little while ago actually when we'd relocated here to Asia and he bought a toy while I was gone because we didn't see each other for about two months.

And recently I was like, I want to use your toy on you and I want to experience that, I i want to feel it i want to see the look on your face know how to do it so it's that kind of stuff um d went online and bought some attachments for my hitachi and we just played with those and he bought like three or four and for example one of them um he inserted it and into me and i went yep nope don't like that that one goes in the bin thankfully you know it's six dollars from china sort of style attachments so we'll buy that we'll buy the good ones after we figure out which ones we don't like yeah and you know he went and had that the yoni massage education session so kind of bringing that into the bedroom I want to do some prostate massage stuff and bring that into the bedroom um you know so a little bit of role play all these sorts of things now that i think you can open up within your own bedroom and also the ability to be honest when you're out in public like seeing uh you know for me now even i sent see a a text message the other day because there was a really lovely lady laying beside one of our 14 pools that we have in our complex, and I just sent her a text saying there's a sexy girl beside the pool.

Now, her response was a little tongue-in-cheek, but I'm at work, was her response, and I said I didn't say the sexiest girl I said a sexy girl so you know just things like that the ability to be honest within your relationship and and see somebody who catches your eye and say hey look that person catches my eye and it helps you both develop you know in this lifestyle when we go out now and we're say we're at a lifestyle event we can look at the other people in a couple and say well i'm it's a waste of time me talking to that lady because i know c's not going to be interested in that guy or vice versa you know so um that just the honesty the the openness and honesty in in our relationship that it's open by being involved in this lifestyle, it's unparalleled.

I don't know any of my friends, certainly of vanilla friends, who talk as openly as we do. And we get that often, actually. So I guess it kind of goes back to your point before. You know, you talk about more things in the bedroom.

You talk about things that you want sexually but out outside of the bedroom too life you know i mean little things that get in the way finances children i mean whatever um you know you foster these these abilities through the lifestyle and we have vanilla friends who constantly comment on just how at ease with each other we appear like how happy we we generally are because those little niggling things they're out in the open and they're done and and we've moved on yeah yeah uh we actually it's funny because um we actually coined the term peaches and strawberries peaches are hot guys and strawberries are hot girls and so we're out together like grocery shopping or anything like that we can go hey honey there's a peach on aisle two nice and you know even with the kids or anybody else we have this little code where we can go back and forth and you know the other day we were shopping with the kids and i turned the corner corner and go, oh, my God, I really want a Pepsi.

And she says, what? And I said, you'll see when you turn the corner. And there was a Pepsi vendor there, and he was very attractive. I don't care what you do with your Pepsi. I just want one. That's a ripe-looking peach over there. Geez, that's a juicy-looking peach. That's exactly right. Meanwhile, everyone's like, these guys are like fruitarians. They're really liking their fruit over there. Love their fruit, and apparently they're really into peaches. Or strawberry peaches.

I think even before we started this, obviously before we started this, but we have a lot of friends who hashtag relationship goals us on social media whenever we post photos and they know us in person and whatnot, because just in the last four years or so, I mean, we've gotten so much closer, but it shows even before we started doing any of this stuff that communication, communication, oh my God, communication is key to every relationship. Yeah. Like we talked one day and I didn't realize how important it was for her to receive flowers.

So now on at least a weekly basis, I will bring her home a bouquet of flowers. They're not expensive, $99 flowers or anything like that. But it's just a simple, you know, daisies or something like that, just so she can have fresh flowers. And also how important it is for me to open the door for her when we go out to the car. So just the very, very simple things. And we're always holding each other's hands or touching on each other when we're out in public. And the connection is just amazing because I feel it so much stronger now because she has accepted me when I felt I was broken and damaged.

I always did. Right. You just didn't admit it yet. Right. So it's just brought us so much closer together because she completes me when I didn't think anybody out there could love me for the damaged person that I was, and she showed me you're not damaged. In fact, you're hot. You're freaking perv, and I love it.

Yeah, and the glorious thing is you both get to share that that freaking pervosity together that's right you both get all the pictures we want now yeah well we just think it's it's beautiful um again you know the the fact that you guys have and a reached out and you guys had that that hard that tough conversation and you know i hope now Mr. T, the fact that you guys have, A, reached out and you guys had that hard, that tough conversation. And, you know, I hope now, Mr.

T, you realize that, you know, you are accepted not only in your relationship but that you can accept yourself and be accepted in the community as well. I mean, I hope now that this experience also has made you feel like you are a valuable person in an outside of your relationship. It has gone a long way. It's not, it's not, there are still days where it's, I struggle every day because I still have to be in the closet. My family, my job, my community, unfortunately would not accept, I don't think would not accept me for who I am truly.

Um, so, but to have that person where you can, you can be free and you don't have to worry about judgment or what someone's going to say behind your back. It's, it's amazing to have the support system that I do.

But I don don't i don't like the whole in the closet part because we can we can classify the lifestyle as being our private time and we can classify with just our vanilla friends going to church and things but when we take this other part of him and we put it quote unquote in the closet to me it's just so negative we need to just stop saying stuff like that and just say you know hey you know we don't we don't discuss at the table when we when we're at mcdonald's for lunch with somebody that hey you know i did my husband up the ass last night we don't discuss those things in public so why do we need to take this side of it and push it away in the closet that just makes it sound so flowers in the attic and negative yeah i don't like that it's um it's a good point a because um i mean compartmentalizing some of the stuff that that we do in the lifestyle as you know we we're not freely out i mean we don't walk down the street and wear a shirt that says wear swingers um or like you say hey last sorry, I need to interrupt.

We do in Singapore. You do? I do that regularly. He wears a T-shirt from the average swingers out at a hawker centre and I'm like, man, I don't think people get it, but if this was back in Australia. Because it looks like a bourbon. Yeah. I can't think of the brand, but it's a bourbon whiskey. The design of it. So I wander around with that out in public. I'm hoping that one day somebody will actually pull me up and say, I don't know.

I don know what's on your shirt but nobody i don't think anybody ever even takes any notice even if they did you could pull it down and go like really i got this for three bucks in malaysia what does it mean sorry i interrupted No, I was just saying, like like i have to compartmentalize the lifestyle when i'm at work but i don't call it that i'm stuck in a closet or that i have to be behind bars the way that i almost relate to it is that when i'm when i'm in business i wear a mask i have the c's business mask on mask on because that's the way that I need to present myself in meetings with the client and, you know, it's a very straightforward black and white mask that I have to wear.

When I'm with Dee or when I'm with our lifestyle friends or when we're on this podcast, I get to be me and not hold anything back. And then we have vanilla friends who, again, you know, I do wear a bit of a mask around. I'm not being myself 100%, but I'm still being, you know, flirtatious, cheeky, talking about things that probably most people wouldn't talk about, I guess, you know, joking about sexual positions and stuff like that. But it's not 100% of me. It's probably, I don't know, 80% or 90% of me. So that's how I manage it. I don't know. Dee, any thoughts? Well, it's the same with me.

I mean, certainly at work I used a different – well, let's step back. A lot of people will see me as outwardly confident and quite verbose when in a group of people. Well, that's actually not natural me. Natural me is sit at home on a couch in front of a TV and enjoy company of myself, you know.

So I wear a mask every time I'm in public because i i want to be involved in the public and involved in what's going on so it's no different for me to wear a mask in the lifestyle and out of the lifestyle although i'm generally the guy in the room who's overstepping the line in the sand anyway so i think most people are used to me doing that even in our vanilla life. Yeah. Yeah.

in the sand anyway so I think most people are used to me doing that even in our vanilla life yeah I'm very similar to that I'm a strong very strong introvert but through my profession I have to be the exact opposite I'm I have to be the big extrovert and I do a whole lot of trainings to large groups of people and very involved with the community. And I have to give speeches on the radio and on the news. And I have to basically turn on this total opposite person that I really, really want to be.

And it's it's frustrating frustrating but she actually doesn't like that side of me as much nope yeah i mean it's the same for me i've always been involved in business that requires me to stand up in front of three four hundred people and give a presentation you know that's that's just been part of my career so it's um it is, though, as an introvert being extroverted in public, isn't it? Yes. Very, very exhausting. It is exhausting, emotionally exhausting. And for me, I need to take the time to come home to be with myself to recoup almost. Yes. Yeah. I have a question for A.

A, we covered off, there were a few firsts for T, Mr. T. There were a lot of firsts for Mr. T. Beside the fact that you witnessed your man with another man, were there any firsts for you? i don't think so i mean i don't think so no you were quite the whore before we got together i really was i i remember the no there were no firsts for me in that room when the first night that mr.

T and I spent together I went home and my mother was sitting up and she just asked if I was okay and I said yes and I said ma he was awful I don't know what the deal was with this dude but he really was bad and she just kind of tipped her ashes off of her cigarette and looked at me with this halo of smoke above her head and she said honey, honey, teach him everything, you know, and now she's both the orgasmic. Yeah. Yes. That's interesting because even though all of the experience that I had before I married Mr. T, I had never had an orgasm before ever. Oh, I do know what was first. What?

We learned how bad the dick tastes after you take the condom off. Oh, God. Yes. It tastes like burnt rubber. We haven't used condoms in over 20 years, and we ripped it off, and we were going to go back to sucking on them a little bit. And I remember sitting up and going, oh, my God, I need a wipe. Yes, wet wipes.

Wipe it to sit off before we, yeah god it's awful yeah um yes wet wipes are a necessity i've seen um c's face even on my even on my post condom eyes roll back into the head and she's like oh god i have to do this this is chemical yeah yeah yes it's horrible yeah and and you had no issue with the condoms because you haven't used them in 20 years um a lot of guys have no they were non-negotiable but no we didn't we didn't have an issue with them i didn't really i didn't really notice i guess no because well the reason i mentioned that is a lot of guys who come you know after being in a long-term relationship bump into bump into the lifestyle and their first experience with somebody else is always with a condom and they haven't used a condom in so long that it actually impedes their performance they end up having problems with either gaining or sustaining an erection because every time they try and put a condom on it feels unnatural it feels unnatural and it changes their mind or their mindset a little bit you know because we all fumble the first time we got to put one on after a long period of time unless they practiced maybe the day before they were practicing putting you guys practice with condom application?

No. Well, I actually didn't have to wear one because that was just fur. And to be – we do use – we should have been clear about that. We do use them occasionally on a toy or two if it's – if the toy causes some type of irritation. We might throw one on there or something. I don't know. But Mr. T is giggling because he wants me to tell that we we put a cock ring on our gentleman friend and at first he didn't know what the hell we were doing he didn't know what it was um and then we I used I used one of my bullet vibe toys around his um man parts and at this point you didn't say Yeah.

Well, the thing that went up this man's spine. Really? He was pretty happy with that. He had never experienced toys at all. No. And we just brought out just a few of what we owned. Yeah.

We actually have, what, three or four cabinets full at this point yeah it's a fairly large collection your collection will um evolve and grow as well that's something that we've noticed since we've been in the lifestyle yeah and he got a first of it too the guy that you played with you know you gave him a first as well so that's pretty great sounds like he'll be back oh yeah we kept looking at him saying are you okay is this okay would this be all right would this would it be okay if we do this and he'd just lay there and go well i'm just thrilled to be here that's actually quite a man's response i have to say i just think this just think this is awesome i'm happy to be here just treat me as your man toy right i guess i think the only the only negative from the experience was i i don't i think he was extremely nervous himself so he basically just laid there we referred to it as he was just our living gildo yeah and so there was um he didn't know what to do with his hands and so i was i was constantly trying to move his hands up to caress her breasts and what i knew she enjoyed and so uh with the next one um who we're talking to right now not right now, but we're talking to we're trying to trying to be more aware of what our hopes and our wants and our desires are.

Yeah. And ask more questions from the next guy. Like, you know, how big are you? Are you circumcised? Are you into this? What's your kinks? What's your kinks what's your fetishes all that type of stuff are your balls shaved so so very important uh grooming oh can't even can't even i all the small details again it's like leaving the lid off the toothpaste we're back to that just with somebody else it's so important it is it makes the best if you don't put it back on I don't put it back on. Toothpaste he's talking about, not the condom. Yeah, I know. I was calculating there.

My brain was a little slow. Well, that's great. It sounds like you had a really positive first experience, and I'm glad that could um share share it with our listeners because i mean you don't get to do this more than once you know this is the first time and it'll be the last time you get to be the first time so um and one of the things we we really liked about the fact that you guys agreed to this and I think I mentioned it to you, is that we're all about the lifestyle. We're all about the community. We're all about helping people grow into the community or grow in the community.

And, you know, as you get a little bit further down into the lifestyle, you lose that insight as to what the beginning started like and what it felt like and all the sensations and fears and smiles and giggles as you said you know so it's really nice that you guys were um kind enough to offer your first experience for us um thank you very much i'm really happy with that with that well thank you all because honestly 100 i don't think we Thank you very much. I'm really happy with that.

Well, thank you all because honestly, 100%, I don't think we would have ever have done this if we hadn't become so comfortable with it, listening to you all talk about your all's experiences. And I'm not just blowing shit up your ass. I'm serious. You all have made such an impact on us with how it has affected your relationship and grown your relationship and connection that has formed out of it. It's not about sex. It's about that connection. And that's something that we really, really talked a lot about all along the way.

This is not about having this is about you and i me and my wife experiencing something together there just happens to be another person in the room doing it but at the end of the day when that person leaves it's still just you and me and we get to experience this and i might add you get to um relive it as well which i'm sure will provide some interesting sexual fun on the way over the next few few days if it hasn't already oh no we we were exhausted from the first time it was it was seriously it was emotionally like emotionally draining like because you lead up to it and you're so nervous and apprehensive and there's all this stress that's building up to it you know like whether or not you know i'm going to be able to perform properly uh is my wife going to break down and start crying uh is the guy going to chicken out the last minute all this stuff that you worry about and then i just carried the stress on me and then when it was done done, it was like, oh, it was draining.

We just wanted to go to sleep. I was standing naked in the hallway wrapped in a towel right after a shower. And I just stood there bent over giggling going, oh my God. We just did this. And it was awesome. And it was awesome. It was much much better than what you because you hear so many people talk about your first time and don't expect fireworks or don't expect magic because it is your first time and everybody in the room is nervous and you there it was there was nerves but we were able to still do pretty much everything we hoped we would be able to do.

And one thing we talked about we weren't going to do, we even did that. Okay. So your boundaries shifted as well while you were involved in the play?

And you come out the other end of it happy you know i mean collaborative i mean it's perfect yeah yeah i mean good good decisions can be made mid play there's no doubt about that provided you've got the right conversation whether it be verbal or non-verbal communication you know good decisions can be made mid play a lot of people aren't willing to make decisions mid play because you know in the in the heat of the moment you can get things wrong but I don't know.

can be made mid play a lot of people aren't willing to make decisions mid play because you know in the in the heat of the moment you can get things wrong but i i firmly believe provided you've broached that previously you know you've said you've had a discussion about it and you may you may have agreed well that's something for later but later maybe tonight later doesn't necessarily have to be six months from now right something for later, but later, maybe tonight. Later doesn't necessarily have to be six months from now. Right.

And there's no, we talked about this, you know, if this, if afterwards there was an issue, this could be our only one time. And we were both okay with that because it is about our relationship.

And if it wasn't comfortable for one of us, then it's not going to be comfortable for either of us and so we just wanted to make sure that we didn't leave anything on the table we would regret later not doing yeah and that was the big issue uh there was something that uh i was the thing we're talking about was i was uncomfortable with receiving anal sex from him and then in the moment she suggested it and I was like okay here we go yes and ironically he oh my gosh he appeared to be more enthusiastic with that then her so we we think we may have changed somebody. A little bit, yeah.

Well, look, I mean, yeah, again, an eye-opening experience for him. Yes.

And I'm sure next time around he probably will be a little bit more engaged given he knows what he can get away with, you know what I mean terms of the the hands where they go and things like that although it is always a little confusing as to where the hands go i have to say even in a puppy pile that i've been involved in i'm like yeah what do i do i've got my hand there's you know two girls gathered on my penis and i'm i'm looking at d right now with this like confusedpuckered look on my face because at no point have I ever seen you confuse where to put your hands.

In fact, they wonder a lot when there's a puppy ball going on. It might be internal turmoil. It might be an internal, you know. I think it's more where do I put them next now because this one's on that lady, this one's on that person. I wish I had more hands. Yeah, well, after you get settled in, you do wish you had more hands and more penises. Probably just more everything. Yeah. There were places to put stuff. Sorry, what was that? I said there was a lot of places to put stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, the glorious thing is you very rarely run out of places to put things. No.

Well, I can store that here. I can store that there. Exactly. And then you start adding toys and it's like, oh, look, now there's an extra thing in the bedroom. We're going to use that as well. Got something else we can put somewhere else. How convenient. Yes. Well, look, guys, we just, again, wanted to say thanks. Thanks for taking the time to talk to us and thanks for opening up for the listeners out there. And I guess we really appreciate it and we hope everybody else does. And, yeah we've really valued your time. So thank you. Yeah, absolutely. 100% of our pleasure.

And you get to listen to your own voices on a podcast. Which is really strange. Yeah, every time, which is why I never edit anything because the sound of our own voices is so annoying. were sitting here discussing when you all would call and i told i told mr t that i was gonna look at the screen and go now she's safe and he's day and i know they're real names because they constantly forget to edit them out yeah crackers yeah i'veers. Yeah, I've almost done that several times here. So we'll share your Twitter handle as well when we put up this podcast.

But do you want to tell us, maybe tell everyone if they want to follow your journey where they can find you guys? We are on Twitter at marriedsecrets. Well, married.secrets or underscore secrets. We don't know. We're so new at this. I don't think Steve has it right. Thank you. We are on Twitter at MarriedSecrets, well, Married.Secrets or underscore secrets. We don't know. We're so new at this. I think Steve has it right. It is SexyMarriedSecrets on Twitter, but our other stuff. And then we are SexyMarriedSecrets at MarriedSecrets underscore secrets.

And then we are also on SLS at at very um secrets as well great well we'll share that when we put this up again thank you appreciate it thank you a thank you mr t yeah for now that's we will uh say good say good evening to you guys and sign off all right thanks very much this is c and this is d and this is where you come in oh and this is mr t and this is a thanks very much guys bye thank you hey you don't go anywhere guys oh we're gonna call back on the ipad yeah i was just gonna say um do you do you guys still have some time to chat? Yeah.

Yes, but I'm going to go to the restroom because I'm drinking a lot. Oh, he's going to go pee. Oh yeah, that's okay. We're just going to give you a call back in like five minutes to just show you our faces. Hold on guys. There we go. You there, yeah, we got you Okay, he disconnected my speaker before you got up, okay Yeah, we were just going to switch over to the iPad so that we can see you guys and you can see us because We'd like to continue the conversation