Meet the Atoms! – P16

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This is C. This is D. And this is Swinging Down Under. Welcome to our podcast, ladies and gentlemen. We actually have some very special guests this evening. Very special guests. Very special. VIP. No, VIG. VIG? Very important guests. Oh, okay. Yeah, you see where that's at. I do. I do. I see where that's at. Good job. You probably should introduce them. We have to have Mr. and Mrs. Atom joining us today. Hey guys. Say hello. Say hello fellas. Yeah. Yes you said hello. They're quite chatty as you can see. This will be our shortest podcast ever. And cut.

So yeah everybody out there in podcast land has already heard of Mr. and Mrs. Adam. Yeah. One of the better dates we've had and the first best date we actually ever had in lifestyle. As I recall, there was an argument as to whether it was the best date or not. That's true. What? Really? You said it wasn't the best date. It wasn't the best date. Really? Did I?

I don't it wasn't the best date i wasn't the best day really did i i don't know when did i say that on the podcast we listen we listen yeah yeah oh they're listeners as well oh shit that's gonna be a problem pull you up on some things look yeah um we're gonna be half flying by the seat of our pants um thank you, that's a pretty woman comment. Reference. Reference, and half also talking about some points that I've raised that I want to know. Yeah. Because I'm a sticky beak. So just dig on in. We will get to Mr.

Adams' reference of testing the urination thing, but we might cover that off later, maybe, maybe not, depending on how much we can freak them out in the meantime it's a good story i'd actually first like to um i guess give the listeners out there an idea of of you guys because you i think you have a very special relationship and um how you got into i guess swinging or being a bit more open in your relationship is quite intriguing for me and i don't know can you can you share with us a little bit about you guys how you met i was gonna say do you want to do this and i interject or do you want me to do it and you interject you do it and i interject and then i can surprise everybody and interject it's gonna be awesome so we started dating this is uh we'd been married before both of us and and we started dating, and the very edited version of this is that after about four months of just hooking up, we decided we wanted it to be permanent and just be her and me, but we both decided at the same time that we also wanted other people involved as well.

So I can remember us being in a bar and me saying to her, look, we have something special. This needs to be permanent. And her going, yeah, but I also want to sleep with other people. And me going, oh, thank God, me too. So we knew from the beginning that while we wanted to be with each other primarily, we didn't want to only be with each other. Okay. Yeah, if that makes sense. Yeah, of course. I mean, of course, that's stark contrast to us who six years in? Six years in? Six years, two months, I'm going to say three days, five hours. But who's counting? No one.

Did we realise that that's how we wanted to go well that was even a possibility at that stage because it was you know there was a lot of talking yeah we were very stuck in the in the world of monogamy what about stuck that it's a bit harsh it's way harsh dude we're all gonna have american accents except d nobody's perfect excellent it's a lot harder to laugh the second time around when you edit out the first so that's um that's really interesting um for us i guess because when we when we met you guys and you told us about you know how you first started it was intriguing and we had so many questions because additionally because different additionally i suppose and uh one of the things we spoke about just before this podcast additionally you guys your spectrum of sexuality is very broad broad we're both bisexual yeah yeah both both bisexual no that's not what i was alluding to the bisexuality for you guys is sort of toward both of you are toward the opposite end yes of your spectrum of sexuality of traditional anybody who's familiar with the kinsey scale we're both fours yeah yeah and if you don't know the kinsey scale go out and look it up yeah Wikipedia.

Yeah, seriously. You're listening to a podcast and electronic media. Just try Google. It's the way to go. It's the way to the future. And because I'm the helpful one out of the group, I'll put that on Twitter later. Thanks. Oh, smart. I've got a picture I can give you. It's great. It explains it all in one little picture. We're sharing already. Sharing is caring. It's that type of podcast. This is a very Sherry-style podcast. I think you've got some other questions you want to ask. I do, actually.

So knowing that you both got into your relationship fairly open from the beginning and knowing that you've been, I guess, dating and seeing other people for quite a few years now, what do you think has changed within the lifestyle, if you will, or within dating other people from a few years ago to now in terms of how you meet people, what dates you go on? Well, I think an interesting perspective would be the difference between US and Australia because you guys are swingers in the US. Dee jumped ahead. That was my fourth question, but now it's ruined. Spoiler alert.

So what I'm going to do is ask that question now, and again, we'll move that in post. We'll fix that in post. It's a two-part question. We'll do that. Yeah, so I would say that at the beginning of our relationship, because we both, when we did decide to start dating each other but still see other people, we had other people already on the side at that point that we would see.

And so it was more of a continuation of that as well as you know interjecting the occasional other person or couple or whatever that we would have met but it was more the the side bits were more established for us in the states and so you know when we moved to Australia then we had to we had to meet people all over again we didn't have anyone and so I think that we used social media a lot and to do that and well primarily I guess because RHP yeah RHP has been fantastic for us but we we use social media to meet people and we really narrowed it down initially we would have you know we knew what we were looking for basically and we wanted friends that are like-minded friends and so if they were like-minded friends that we could then have a further relationship with great if not it was at least people who understood us and knew where we were coming from and had a similar viewpoint and so that's kind of really what we set out to do when we looked at making friends once we moved here.

And I think we've got a really good community at this point of friends who some of them we sleep with and have other relationships with, and some of them we don't, but they're all like-minded. They all know what we do. And we don't have to hide anything about who we are or what we think. We categorize all of our friends as pants-off or pants-on. What if they've got half a leg in, half a leg out? Sometimes they're pants-on, sometimes they're pants-on. But what that means is that pants-off friends are also pants-on friends.

And for us, I think especially, that's an important distinction, is we don't just sleep with anyone. Wait a second, a swinger that doesn't just sleep with anyone? Oh my god. This is revolutionary. Oh my god. Our attitude and anybody who has gotten this message from us on RHP knows we have a quote and it's sex is easy. Anybody can have sex. But to have something meaningful and to have some sort of connection that makes it that much better and that much more fun and that much established, I guess. It's a lot more intense that way. Yeah, it's intense.

So, I mean, we had a chat off air a little while ago just around the fact that, I mean, my master podding extreme... Master podding.

My master podding extreme podcast, D Takes Over the World, is probably what I'm going to give it a new title at some point and i covered off the fact that um we were also um sociosexuals i suppose it's a great word and really needed to have have something deeper than that to be with somebody and that's for me what then that's when we defined ourselves as being in Well, I defined us as being in an open relationship was after we found people that we actually enjoy the company of not only enjoy having sex with. Yeah. So, yeah, that's interesting.

It's nice to know you guys have the same opinion other than we're just sexual toys that you play with every now and again. Yeah, sure. Well, it's nice to know that you guys are actually right. Yeah. That we're right. Yeah, wow. know that you guys are actually right and go uh mr adam i've actually got a question for you so knowing that you guys kind of came into the relationship fairly open were there any rules ever uh yes and it's it I don't know because it's as funny as I'm laughing, but so I can remember distinctly one early in our relationship.

She had a date, I had a date, and then we spent the night together with each other. So we both hooked up with our prospective dates. But the rule was, you know, you always shower. And I know that seems funny to say that, but it's – it needs to be – that needs to be spoken. You have to make sure that, you know, you're going to be freshly cleaned and the other person or other people are going to be off of you when we're together. But then once we started, once we made a more stable foundation, the only rule is, you know, she's my home base. I'm always coming home.

No matter what goes on out there, the person that, you know, she's the only other jigsaw piece that I actually come to. You're waking up to. Yeah. She's the one I actually fit into. She's base. Yeah.

And that was that was basically i think those are the only two rules is you know you're always coming home to each other and shower yeah and i think that and i think the coming home is reasonably obvious given the fact that you both have uh tattoos that inspired your name on our podcast actually uh and and you'd like to correct us on that yeah they're technically molecules yeah they're technical molecules yeah yeah we're not going to split hairs or atoms oh oh that's a that's a high podcast high five right there well done it is actually a valid thing though because i think the our first full swap we actually came home and actually showered together before then going into the bedroom and spending the night together as well.

Yeah, but that was because we didn't have the option to shower where we were. Otherwise, we probably would have done it there before we came home. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, it's a good point, actually, because, you know, sometimes you don't think of the logistics. The logistics are important.

logistics are important The devil's in the details The devil is in the details Actually something a little earlier we were talking about Is splitting of condoms Oh yeah Yes Who brings them Can I just clarify I'm not talking about a condom breaking And splitting whilst on But maybe you're coming around to your Friend's house and there's going to be some play And maybe that's the house that you go to Thank you.

Can I just clarify, I'm not talking about a condom breaking and splitting whilst on, but maybe you're coming around to your friend's house and there's going to be some play and maybe that's the house that you go to often who actually arranges the condoms. Is it a BYOC? Yeah, BYOC. And would it still be called corkage or condomage?, what are we... If you start charging a corkage fee... Is there a jar? We need a condom jar, that's what we need. Something to drop money into. You can call it a corkage fee, because it's the fee you pay to pop your cork. Yeah.

Okay, let's call it corkage from now on. Yeah, we're doing that. Excellent. So yeah, I think... Sorry. Go ahead. No, you first. Well, I was going to change away from the condoms for a second. Do it. Go. Okay. Well, come on.

yeah we're doing that excellent so yeah i think sorry go ahead no you first no well i was gonna change away from the condoms for a second do it go okay well condoms yes again like you said are very important and that is more of an unspoken rule i think we have is that we always do play safe and we do use condoms but i would also say that for us there there are times where you know we'll be talking to someone online or you know chatting with people and if or the other of us is uncomfortable with the situation or doesn't like something about that person, then we do have the right to say that I'm not comfortable with this.

I don't know that it's a good thing for us. And so we may pass on that person.

But there's always discussion around that as to why or what is it and what does the other person see that you may not see, and is it something that we want pursue or not and so to build on that i think a lot of people assume who aren't in the swinger community assume that you know we just go out and have sex yeah and that's all it is there's so much communication there's you've got to have that you got to talk you got to talk absolutely i mean yeah with your partner with other partners yeah even in the middle yeah even in the middle of it you still have to talk you need to understand exactly what's um uh what's happening what's not happening i mean we're avid communicators whilst in the you know in the sexual process because frankly um the last thing i'd want to happen is that we get out of that and find out that C was uncomfortable in any way.

Yeah. And so, yeah, that's why, annoyingly so, sometimes I ask questions in the middle of sex that I'm sure nobody wants to hear the answer to. Do you have to go to the bathroom? Oh, no, not again. That pea-sized bladder strikes again. Yeah, it was a Mrs. Adam reference there. I have that problem. Yeah, pea-sized bladder. I have a very tiny bladder. Well, having said that, so you came to Australia. You met some people online. So, Mrs. Adam, what stands out in a profile that you would want to look at? And, Mr. Adam, what is a turn-off in a profile that you would look at?

So I tend to like, I like someone with a sense of humor. And so if you can inject some sort of, something humorous in your profile, but also intelligent, because we don't, you know, we want somebody who can carry on a conversation. And like you said, we like people that we... Wow, I mean, why do you talk to us? We talk to C. Oh. But I would say that, yeah, having some form of intelligence on your profile is good, humor. Also, I like people that are more positive.

If positive if there's you know if there's negative comments or statements or anything that's a little off-putting on there i i just immediately that turns me off the poor poor pitiful me yeah well that's fair i mean you generally in life i suppose you try and surround yourself with people who are glasses half full anyway, so it's no different when you're involved in this part of life. Yeah. Yeah. I want people that seem like they're happy and enjoy things and are willing to go out and enjoy themselves and try things. A bit of spontaneity is always nice as well. Absolutely.

Actually, we were talking about... And the shirt is off. And the shirt is off, people. That is spontaneity right there. I'm just upset it wasn't... I was like, are you getting hot, shall we? I'm actually just upset it wasn't the pants, but, you know, hey. Well played, sir. Yes. Very well played. Yeah. And what's turning you off? Turning me off. I've got to be honest.

I think my biggest turn off is the pictures that are just either genitalia yeah let's be realistic i mean there's variations but all we talked about this early all genitalia looks the same you see one cock you've seen them all and i don't mean it like that and it's not i'm not trying to be ugly but let's be realistic There's variation, but I don't need to see that first thing. I don't go to a bar and look at the lady or guy at the end of the bar and go, you know, rip my pants off and show them I just did the rip my pants off. You can't see that over a podcast. It's not a videocast.

We'll work on that. These pair, they're a work in progress, so please forgive them for, you know. We're podcast virgins. Oh, yes. Yes, absolutely. We've just popped your pod cherry. Ouch. Potted your cherry. For me, that's one of the biggest turn-offs. And somebody who just, especially on RHP, somebody who just does the cookie cutter. You know, it automatically populates your post for you. It's like five lines, you know, we're this age. Yeah, and the flirt cutter. It automatically populates your post for you. It's like five lines, you know, we're this age. Yeah, and the flirts on RHP.

If anybody from RHP listens to this, fix that. The last thing I want to get from somebody is, I think you're cute. If I messaged you, would you reply? It seems kind of passive-aggressive. And also very needy.

Yeah, like, no, I wouldn't message you because you're like it seems kind of passive aggressive and also and also very needy yeah yeah like no i wouldn't arrest you because you're you're too needy well i'm glad we didn't lead with that one i mean well we don't typically flirt no we're not big on flirting well on rhp uh the flirts for for us yeah seem seem somewhat irrelevant because if you if you're interested in someone, I mean, I don't need somebody else to write my language for me. Exactly. And a flirt for me is actually somebody else giving me some language. Yeah.

And I much prefer actually being, again, probably because, you know, I'm funny as hell, right, Sue?

Hell's not funny serious really wow game set and match well uh let's just say i'm the funny one of the couple inevitably not after that after that comment though it apparently i'm not but uh yeah because i because i'm the funny one i like to actually um try to bring your humor across yeah try and have some of me in it and apparently a bit of humor helps absolutely yeah everybody wants some of you in them especially oh well you are on the fire today i am on fire i know today i'm not the funny one just uh actually just for everybody out there in podcast land as well we're talking about um rhp it's it's red hot pie um what a flirt is it's like a other social media sites dating sites where there's a kiss or it's kind of contact contact but not really contact it's yeah free i think it's free for anyone to do you don't have to have a paid account which i understand that yeah if you're really into this it's like what 20 bucks i mean yeah if you're really and well there actually is a flirt that says if you can't afford membership, probably you can't afford me.

Yeah, that's a flirt response. Yeah, if you can't afford membership, you can't afford me. That's great. That is a good one. Keep that one. Agreed. Agreed. Well, I guess I would like to know about the best date and the worst date since we were talking about dates earlier. My best and worst? No, that is. No, that is your best and worst. Oh, this is a question. Who wants to take the best and who wants to take the worst? Or do you want to have a little moment together and some whispers across the side? We need a moment together, yeah. Okay, so we'll just... Talk amongst yourselves.

Yeah, we'll just show the... You don't have anything, babe. No, we'll just talk about what they're talking about this is horrible i don't know they're whispering over there lots of facial expression one of the glorious things actually about swinging is that these guys are currently not talking to each other they're just communicating through a winks and nudges um the occasional leg squeeze because Because we didn't pay for the membership. So the triple leg squeeze is happening right now, which is please get us out of here, generally, as that's what it means.

Do you mean worst dates for individuals or that we had together? As a couple date? Was it couple dates? Let's keep a couple at the moment. I can do the worst one. Let's start with that and the moment. Okay, yeah. I know, I can do the worst one. Start with Adam, we'll think on best. Yeah, you think. So we had this date with this couple in Sydney. Were they C and D? They were not C and D. Yay. They were D and C. No, I'm kidding. No, definitely not you guys. We need to stop bringing intelligent people onto this podcast. When are you going to start? Oh, that was rude to yourself.

Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Your last guests were so much better than us. They were well-behaved. Self-deprecating. Yeah, but they were drunk. Oh. So drink up. You need to drink a little more, apparently. Glug, glug. Yeah. Sorry, back to your... Oh, sorry. Our estate. So we had this date, and we basically told them, look, we have 40 minutes. It was our fault we have 40 minutes, but we'd like to see... We'd like to meet you guys.

We only want to meet for a drink we never play on the first date as a rule um so we met at this bar in the city and um one of the first questions out of her mouth was um trying to think exactly how she uh yes right, sorry. The first question out of her mouth was, do you like to party? Oh, okay. So that was... So, I mean, we're looking at a drug reference there, right? Straight up. When it comes to that, I am as vanilla as it gets. And I went, oh, we typically don't do the parties because, you know, we like to talk to people and meet them before we fool around. So this was what?

This was a weekend or a weeknight? This was a weeknight. This was a school night. School night, 40 minutes at a pub, first time you met. Exactly. And so the first question was, do you like to party? And after we said no, we could tell that she instantly lost interest in us.

And then the rest of the date, she proceeded to just bash her male partner verbally talk about how dumb he was what a horrible job he had you know how he was just not a value right and it was that was such a turnoff to watch somebody belittle their partner so you had 40 minutes how long were you there for the 40 minutes because we're like nope nope We've got to get our rest. Oh, right. Okay. So that was such a turnoff to watch somebody belittle their partner. So you had 40 minutes. How long were you there for? The 40 minutes because we were like, nope, nope, we've got to get our bus.

Oh, right. Okay, so that was it. Yeah, sayonara. Honestly, we would have, if we had liked them and hit it off, we would have definitely like, oh, we'll pay for a cab later. But the issue with the bus, the issue was the bus, 40 minutes for the bus. Yeah. That was a bad, bad date.

And I think if that had been our first date from our hp we would have probably not returned probably it was very uncomfortable to watch to listen to her yeah do you think that that was a um a dominant thing i mean was that part of their um she was insecure and trying to make herself feel better oh you think so absolutely because we've had i mean what's that what's that um cock holding you don't think there's anything to do that or think so okay um i didn't get that feeling from them it was um yeah and so had and so had you received any contact i mean how'd you end it then okay so you got your 40 minutes you've got to go we've got to go actually it's really nice that you had only for you're already working on the premise of 40 minutes because It was perfect because we were like, oh, we have to catch our bus.

Yeah, sure. But after that, we messaged them, I think, and said, you know, you're nice people, but we're not interested. Oh, so you did the closeout message. Yeah. Good for you guys. I think that's important. Yeah. You don't just leave someone hanging. We agree. Yeah? We agree. That's good. Actually, yeah, we've closeout messaged a few people, and it's a couple of single guys as well along the way. And most people are actually very appreciative of that. Yeah. They really are. Because at least then you're not going to waste your time.

And in fact, some people have said, how do we do better next time? You know, we've actually had a few things like, thank you, thanks very much and how do I do better next time? A single guy did that once for us and he actually said, look, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend. Can I ask what the problem was and how do I work better at this next time? Yeah, for the next couple. And you actually gave him some tips. And not only that, he holds a little bit of a smaller part of your heart given the fact that he actually took that on board and said thank you for that.

I thought that was a nice response. That's a decent human being, really, isn't it? Yeah. There's not enough of those out there. Right, so of course I'm going to think that he's a great person. And the best. What's the best one so far? Oh, gosh. I don't know. That's a hard one. We've had a lot of good ones. We've been very, very lucky since we've moved down here. And total sluts. I'm not a slut. I just love love. That is such a good quote, and you've used it now five or six times today. I don't know. I need it tattooed on me. Yeah. Just underneath the atom. Sorry, the molecule. Lower.

The molecule. We've had a lot of good ones. We've made some of our best friends through RHP, actually. You know, it's, the only negative is people ask you, oh, how did you meet them? And you're like, oh, social media. You know saw her boobs on rhp yeah it's really awkward when your your family asks you it's like oh you're making so many friends good friends you know in australia quickly how do you do that yeah so quickly how do you do that i give them my wife i was gonna say we take our pants off was what i was gonna say, but your parents tend to frown a little on that. Meh. Yeah, but anyway.

They're concerned about your well-being, because otherwise they might think that the people you're hanging out with might have low morals. I will say, one of our best dates through RHP was the pub crawl. Yeah. Oh, get out. That was so much fun. It was well put together. It was a lot of fun. Do you feel wind? I feel wind. I'm blushing. It was really great for us, too, because there were a number of couples that we had been chatting with on RHP. Including you guys. Yeah, including you guys, that we had not had a chance to meet up with yet.

And so it was kind of one of those, well, look, everybody's going to be in one place. This is awesome. We can at least see if we hit it off or not and if we want to you know message them again so did you hit it off with anyone that night maybe a little with any one or any multitude um if one is good more is better oh wow that's tattoo. I mean, you're going to run out of body space with that. War and peace. Yeah. No, we broke a few records, I think, that night. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. You know, there's a thing called CDs nowadays and also... Sorry, called what? Records, CDs. Oh, wow.

We'll fix that in post. Every joke is not a gem. Have you seen? It's not gold. That is not gold. Every joke is not a gem. That was maybe my C game. Oh my god. Oh, see what you did there? You made up for it. Good recovery. Wow, a nice recovery. Thank you. Yeah, you should play some sort of competitive sport. Really? Yeah, I think so. You guys have it over in the States, actually. It's lingerie gridiron or something. Is it what it's called? Powderpuff football? Is it powderpuff football? Is that what it's called? Where the ladies go out? Yeah, in lingerie. I don't know that they do that.

Yeah, they do. At least in his brain they do. No, they do. They totally do. Yeah. All right. We need to go back and do some sports watching. I'm trying to think of who the Australian – there's actually an Australian – a very well-known Australian player. They tried to do it down here. Ridiculously hard. Huh. Yeah. No idea. I don't know. Wow. Actually, we're bad Americans. You are bad Americans. That're a country. You're a bad American. Yeah. You are a bad American. That's why they kicked us out. Although we just had Thanksgiving with you guys. Yes.

First time we've ever had Thanksgiving because it's obviously not a huge Australian tradition. Because there's not a lot of thanks to give. They just put us on a boat, threw us out here because we were all criminals. And we're thankful for that. And we are thankful for that, yeah. Leave it to the Poms to – sorry, the Poms. It's in Australianism. Leave it to the people from the UK. The UKians. To send criminals to one of the most beautiful countries on the planet. Look at the weather. They made the wrong choice. They made the wrong choice. Gorgeous out there right now.

In Britain, it's probably snowing, sleeting, fogging. Something boring. It all ended with ing. Ing. There's a lot of ing. Yes. It's actually something that we love. It's actually from the States, except from you guys, of course, is roller derby. Big roller derby fans. And we still live up in Queensland.

And in Queensland, the roller derby,by they really get into it and they're in fishnets and they're in these tiny tiny little shorts and to be honest we used to go along I'm like maybe some for the sport and some for the watch and then we came down here down to Sydney and we went along to a roller derby match and extremely excited and they weren't as skimply clad. Yeah, they didn't actually wear fishnets, which I thought was a requirement. It's a serious, I'm using air quotes, serious sport. It is a serious sport. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

It's like these young ladies are beaten the hell out of each other. But they also do dress a little to put on a show for people because that's part of it. Yeah, it's a bit of fun as well. So you can beat up on someone while still looking pretty. Yeah, it's just like lingerie football. Yeah. Or swinging. Sorry? Or swinging. You can beat up on somebody while still looking pretty. You're right. Well, that's actually something interesting as well, I suppose. I know you guys probably dabble a little in something a little toward the... The dark arts. The dark arts.

Did your wand pick you or did you... Sorry, that was a reference to Harry Potter. Oh, that's a Harry Potter reference. I'm sorry, I'm a muggle. Trademark, we apologise to Harry Potter people for saying that, sorry. So I understand you guys dabble a little bit more in the BDSM scene as well. We dabble. A little. Yeah. We have a sex chase that has buckles on it that you can be restrained to. I believe I've seen photos. I believe you have. I believe I have seen photos of that, and the photos are good. And so your household has an actual purpose-built sort of playroom. We repurposed it. Yes.

We turned the second bedroom into a playroom. Right, so you know that you're into having sex when... You start mounting mirrors to your wall. Or your ceiling, actually. I'm still trying. I'm still working on that. Yeah. Velcro. It's a way to go. I don't know if it is. There's people in the apartment above us. If they stomp too hard. What's really funny is the apartment above us is actually a children's room. Oh, wow. That's awkward. It's awkward. A little bit. Whatever. Yeah. That's all right.

But our attitude is they have to learn at some point you know you're you know you're upward neighbors by the scowls that we get yes yeah okay okay yeah so you're the like the block floozies wait we say hi and they're like well I mean that's fairly standard Sydney though no I think some of our quite friendly. Sydney people give themselves such a hard time. We're from Brisbane. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe that's the problem. They don't like you and you're kind. People in Sydney are so much kinder and friendlier. There's going to be an uproar, I'm sure.

But walking down the street, people don't just randomly ram into you and push you out of the way like occasionally happens. Just put their head down. Yeah. I don't see you, I don't see know, people don't just randomly ram into you and push you out of the way, like occasionally happens. And just put their head down. Yeah. I don't see you, you know. Yeah, people sitting here are great. Australians are great. Oh, stop it. Yeah? Yeah, I think that's why they're down under. Oh, my God. One too many. Got to like one too many, but you've got to love the Australian kiss, yeah.

So, I mean, tell us about, I mean, back home, what's the – so did you ever go to clubs back home? Did you – I mean, dating online back home? What's the big differences? Because it's fairly more open there, I think, that as generally as a culture, people are a bit more open about it. It seems anyway. It's less accepted, maybe more open. I don't know, but it's less accepted. It depends on where you are as well. And maybe it's just the circle of friends that we have.

Because in the States, our circle of friends were people that we had either gone to school with, gone to university with, worked with, and then our families. So that's our circle of friends. There was a few outside of that. Those down here, our circle of friends are either people that we've met through rhp in the lifestyle or friends that we feel comfortable enough to talk about to talk about it they know us everybody knows us and so we feel in australia we feel it's so open and accepting and nobody is really judging us and saying, oh, you know, you shouldn't do this.

Whereas in the States there was a few times that you would say something perverse and you get that scowl from... Or just kind of a quick look. Yeah. We should probably establish where in the States you were you guys were. I mean, we know this, but I don't think anybody else does. That's true. If you can't tell from the accents, we come from the southeast. So it's a little more conservative area. Yeah. So it's... Thank you. I don't think anybody else does. That's true. If you can't tell from the accents, we come from the southeast. So it's a little more conservative area. Yeah. Yeah.

So we're in the Bible Belt area where there's just about more churches than there are people. Yeah. Wow. You know, so it's – Sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to say anything bad about it directly, but I'm glad we moved. But, you know, so one of the places that we went to in the States was a little place that's actually called The House. Okay. It was in a neighborhood. It was the end of a cul-de-sac. So in the state you were in, was it legal? Were swinging? No. Okay. Actually, I it legal? Were swinging? No. Okay. Actually, I don't know that it's illegal.

I don't think it's illegal. They can't run it as a business. And so rather than charging to get in, you could give a donation or whatever. Gotcha. But you also, you weren't required to either by that same token. Yeah. Every couple was advised to bring $40, I think. Some money, yeah. Some sort, yeah. So, of course, they wouldn't let single guys in. Single women came in free. Apart from the course. Pretty standard, yeah. But this place was an actual house, and you walk in, and they've got a hallway with three bedrooms. Each bedroom had doors and a chain.

So, you know, if the door is closed, it's off limits. If it's a chain, you're invited to watch. If it's open, you're invited to come in and play. That's a really good idea. I feel like that's black and white. I'm sorry. I'm's a chain, you're invited to watch. If it's open, you're invited to come in and play. That's a really good idea. It was so long. I feel like that's black and white, pretty cut and dry. I like the chain. You know where you stand. Yeah, it was really well done. Yeah. So if the door was closed, you didn't even knock, because that meant nobody crosses. No go.

The master bedroom was always open, always, because it had an en suite bathroom. Yeah. So there were two bathrooms in the house, one of them happened to be in the en-suite, and they didn't want to close that off, so they left it open. So you don't play in the master bedroom unless you want to be joined in. And the master bedroom had a bed with a mirrored ceiling. Epic. So we'll come back. There's nothing better than looking back over your own shoulder. I know, right? My ass looks good in that mirror. Look at that guy. Because it's quite dark in here.

Every shade of light that goes down, I get 10% more attractive. So when it's dark, I'm like 100% attractive. You're so hard on yourself. Oh, no. You've got to be. I know whether you've got to be. No, I'm not nearly as hard on myself. I like the light. I like the spotlight, he says. I like the shadows it casts. We do have a habit of christening every place we go outside. Oh, wow. Yeah. You were on a balcony, Ellie. You're going to want some wet naps out there. Okay, okay. Good, good. Yeah, but this place had a pool out back, and they had pool tables. They had an awesome room out back.

It was the voyeur's room, so it was a screen door. But then there was a switch in the room. Ding. Sorry, there's a screen door? What's that to keep the mosquitoes out? For the record, our neighbors in our apartment in Sydney have a screen door as well. Yeah, okay. I'm just saying. Yeah, but it's, I mean. Just because you're from Brizzy. They can't play the banjo, though, in Australia. Not like they do in the U.S. I mean, it's so well done in the U.S. You're welcome. But there was a switch in there that you could flip.

And if you flipped the switch, there was an outdoor giant screen, like a projection screen that was right next to the jacuzzi hot tub thing that would project what you were doing on that bed on that screen. That is awesome. This place was the most well set up. This couple lived there. They lived upstairs. That door of course was always locked you couldn't go into their private residence but it was um eight playrooms a giant olympic-sized saltwater pool outdoor pool table a jacuzzi that would hold 12 people and killer movies out in the uh playing in all the rooms they They had two poles.

The place was great. It was a fantastic place. And so you went there a couple of times? Yeah. So how many times did you project yourself? Did you ever project yourself? So that was very early in our swinging. Even in our relationship. Actually, that's very true. You would totally project the shit out of yourselves right now. Oh, now we do it anyway. Our neighbours keep going, please flip that switch. Please turn it off. Turn it off. But yeah, that was very early on. So we played in the master bedroom where people could come in and watch. I love that idea. And participate or whatever. Yeah.

So there was another couple with us on the bed. We have things like outdoor cinemas and sunset cinemas in summer here, obviously, in Sydney. You know, it's creeping into my mind here. Yeah, we might somehow take control of the... I just feel like walking in front of the projector like, woo! Brown chicken, brown cow. Oh, wow. So, one of the other questions that I had, which I've thought of on the way through this cast, because C's a lot more prepared than I, which I've thought of on the way through this cast, because C's a lot more prepared than I, which you guys are now aware of. Yes.

I just sort of, when she says, we'll fly by the seat of our pants for some, what she's doing is describing me, and the planned questions are C's. One of the questions I had, and this is really quite poignant for us, because we've been invited to come and actually talk to people in the real world about swinging, which we're really quite stoked about, but what it means for us. Stoked means happy for those people out there that don't speak Bogan Australian. Hey, I knew it stoked. I've been stoked in the States. Oh, nice. Oh, really? I mean, it's redneck, but yeehaw.

Yeah, well,ogan same thing i mean it's just different country get in touch with your inner bogan so um one of the things that we were curious about because it means us coming out effectively um and showing the whole world and which means some interest well not the whole world to our presentation. It's going to be like four people. We're going to have to show at least four people our faces. That's half the population in Australia. Yeah, exactly. We could wear masks. Yeah. Oh, we could. Actually, that's funny. That thought crossed my mind.

Actually, it's funny you say that because the Swap Foos, which is another podcast that I listen to, they actually wear wrestler's masks when they go out. Wrestlers? Yeah, wrestler's masks. Wrestler or Rassler? Rasslin. Rasslin. No, wrestler, you know, WWF, and I don't mean the Wildlife Foundation. WWE? Yes, WWE. WWE is, I know. I don't know, I can't keep programming. There's both, no, there's both. Is there? Okay, so they wear those masks. One's real and one's not, I think. Really? Yeah.

that one's W-E-E-E- us coming out and um we're interested because we know that you guys but both of you are out both not only in your bisexuality but also in the fact that you're in an open relationship um so that's really of interest to me personally is that how you i mean were you guys always out did you how it happened yeah how it happened when it happened parents friends reactions things like we're weird we're weird we're I don't know no look for anyone out there listening we knew that already I'm actually asking a question here I mean you just answered the obvious my friend so I we weren't always out um and even in the bisexuality realm I would say that was that probably happened shortly before we got together even um but then you know from the beginning as far as as us being open and you know seeing other people and whatnot um our parents know our families know and but i don't think it was really that big of a shocker for them um you know they're kind of more along the lines of whatever as long as it makes you happy you know it they I don't think them knowing us I don't think they're really surprised especially knowing us together it doesn't it like especially your your parents well the difference is that our parents are gonna be totally surprised but and I mean I will say though that you like my my dad would not necessarily approve but he's also knows I'm an adult and I'm going to make my own decisions regardless of what he thinks.

That's my mom as well. My mom is very supportive of everything I've ever done. She's my number one supporter. Mommy's boy. Absolutely. I know where my bread's buttered, and she's always been the one person that will defend me against anyone, no matter how stupid a decision I make. But when I started talking to her about it, the first thing she said was, you know, just make sure she's okay. Talking about Mrs. Adam here. You know, don't hurt her. Awesome. So it was very, you know, rational.

But, you know, it's funny because the idea of coming out of coming out, especially about being swingers, not necessarily about being bisexual, but about being swingers, I don't really felt like we ever hit it. I don't think we ever really thought much about it. We never had an opportunity or a need to go, oh, hey, hello world, we're swingers.

We still don't, and like you guys i don't really like that term no because it's not exactly accurate i don't know but it's it's also one of those things that i would say obviously all of our friends know and whatnot all of our good friends but as far as like co-workers some know some don't yeah um but you know like you know i was saying earlier is that you know i go into work on a monday morning and i'm not like hey guys guess Who I slept with this weekend, you know, I I was saying earlier, I go into work on a Monday morning, and I'm not like, hey, guys, guess who I slept with this weekend.

You know, I mean, the people that are close to me. We should start doing that. Yeah, that would be awesome. Those early morning conference calls are awesome. I won't fall asleep now. Sorry, I'm just on my second coffee because I slept with so many people on the weekend. Oh, my God, I'm standing up for this conference call because I cannot sit down. I cannot sit down. No, actually, I wouldn't be able to sit down. Stand up, I mean, that would be the problem. Oh, I need to sit down.

Please don't, you know, like when you were a 16-year-old boy and you got called out to the front of the class when you had a heart on. You're sitting there going, oh, please don't call me now. Please don't call me now.

Oh, oh shit of course they've called me but yeah i think it's you know it it's not something we necessarily advertise per se but if it comes up it comes up and we're not going to hide it yeah but at the same time you know some of my co-workers i don't know if they have kids or pets or whatever i don't know every detail of their life they don't necessarily need to know every detail of mine but if it's there it's with that said we both like to talk about it. Because there's so much... There's so much taboo. There is taboo, but it's not even that. It's not even that. It's so much misinformation.

Yeah, misinformation and ignorance. I don't think ignorance is the right term. Yes, because nudity is learning and not knowing, or not caring. Ignorance is not knowing. I'm ignorant of a lot of things. Yeah, totally. Wrestling. Wrestling. And wrestling. Wrestling. I know all about wrestling. We'll get the C will put that up as well. I don't know what wrestling is, so I'm sure we'll figure that out after this cast. Yeah, but what we do in our relationship, it works so well for us. And we're happy to talk about it with people because it doesn't work for everyone. We know that.

And it's a very small percentage of people that it would work for. But it does for us. And we want people to understand how that can be. Because a lot of people are just like, I don't understand. You know, that's not right. That's not right. Or how does it, you know, are you not jealous and this, that, and the other.

And it's it's not you know it just it works for us and i'm more than happy both of us are to talk to people about that it's actually a really good segue because um something you'll hear quite often really when anyone talks about kind of having an open relationship or spending some time with other people is that we always talk about the fact that we're so open and communicating in our relationships now and it really does tend to actually bring couples together so i mean what experience have you guys have of that do you think this has made your relationship stronger more formidable i mean all these kinds of things i mean what absolutely uh yeah it's um so i know we've discussed it with you guys before um but after we have a play date, we are in constant – always in constant communication, but we're in constant touch.

There's that – you get that wonderful – it's going to sound like you're peeing. Sorry, I'm actually pouring a drink. Dee is pouring a drink here, and I know that it's going to sound on the podcast like he's peeing. So I just want to say that put that away.

And and also why are we in the bathroom podcasting yeah yeah worse we're not yeah exactly this is a party we have at our place put the top back down that's awesome um but no we're in constant touch you know it's there it's afterwards we're just constantly cuddling and touching and I think that for us build a relationship because that's one of the ways that we express love is through touch and we're also in constant communication like I said after after especially after a date with a new couple or a new person as it may be whatever we do have a bit of a debrief and we're like you know what did we what did we think about that?

What did we like? What did we not like? What would we do different? You know, is it something we want to pursue or is it not? And I think having that discussion not only helps us to determine how to move forward, but it also helps us understand the other person better. Oh, absolutely, yeah. You know, what are they looking for? What are they like or not like? How comfortable were they with a certain situation? So having that kind of debrief at the end really helps as well, I think. I think we're much stronger now than we were. We've only been together now, I guess, three years.

So I think we're much stronger now, which I think you should be that way with your relationship. I don't think that there's ever a time that you should get like, oh, we're as strong as we're ever going to be and nothing's going to take us apart because that's just begging for... And even if you don't swing, there should still be that communication. I mean, that's really the key to everything. But I think in this case, it's helped us with that. Yeah, I think it drives the communication. I agree.

Because you have no option but to because, you know, certainly for us not being involved in this sort of thing until a long way into our relationship, the first communication from me just about the fact that I was interested in doing this We'll see you next time. in this sort of thing until a long way into our relationship. The first communication from me just about the fact that I was interested in doing this was probably one of the hardest things I've ever had to communicate with C. Anything since then has actually been significantly easier.

Some of the things we talk about now, can you imagine...

It's probably easier to hear now too, I have to say, because you're not're not so taken back by it yeah yeah well i mean the first the if we go back to now prior to when we first had that conversation and first decided we're going to have a go at swinging and we some of the things we talk about now could you imagine us talking about them then no i can't wow i mean we went to a party on the weekend actually and this guy walked into the room and i was like god damn it he's hot and d looked across the room he's like oh yeah you think so you like you like him he's pretty hot and normally that would have been i'm gonna kill him i'll kill him no it would it wouldn't have been but there's certainly a different a different understanding and a different approach to that now yeah i understand you're communicating now a uh maybe something i wouldn't have maybe something i might have been maybe even ashamed to admit that i'm looking at another guy in a sexual manner you know because i shouldn't be and that kills me because we all do it it's like i have a colleague and uh she constantly asks me she's like do you undress everybody mentally you look at and i'm like yes yes i do and you know And it's like it's not in a sexual way but it's more in a morbid curiosity in some people you know yeah i know what you're saying i can't help it it's true it is it is interesting isn't it but you know although can i say some people look better with clothes on oh absolutely but one of those great things one of those great human human truths is that and i'm making a generalization here but that everybody has sex everybody wants to have sex and most people have had sex think about that whoa mind blown it's just something we all have in common yeah we certainly do and it's nothing to be ashamed of and yet so many people don't want to talk about it or they think it needs to be behind closed doors.

And if that's fine for you, if that works for you, then great. Well, the education of life has been that sex is dirty. Yeah. You know, and I think... If done right. Yeah, that's now. Before it was like, so sex is dirty now. It's like, yeah, it's done right. Yeah, hell yeah it is. Woo Woo! Get them wet naps again. Oh, my God. Look, I actually have something to admit to that's maybe a bit of shame, a bit shameful, I don't know. Oh, go.

So when Dee and I are out having dinner and we see a couple at another table clearly out together and they're unhappy, they're unhappy, they're barely talking to each other, they're probably staring at their phones and sometimes i actually look at these people and look as i said it's maybe a little bit shameful i don't know and i think to myself they're unhappy are they unhappy because they're not communicating and they're not being open and maybe there's other things that they're wanting and that sorry that doesn't mean swinging that just means they're not yeah open and communicating i do i i kind of judge i a bit.

I'm like, you guys would be so much more happier if you actually probably told each other what you really wanted out of life. You know, and it's one of those things that I agree with you a million percent. But it's a bit shameful to admit that I'm looking at other people thinking you're doing it wrong. No, no. Judgy McJudge. You're not judging and you're not saying you're doing it wrong. But what you're saying is, you know, what you're doing apparently isn't working. Yeah.

You know, and oftentimes if we're having a discussion and i assume what you're thinking it's going to be the worst case scenario yeah i'm always assuming the worst so if you've got two married people or partnered people who are always assuming the worst about each other it's never the worst how often is it the worst well i mean you've just said you undress everybody with your eyes i mean you know i'm not sure you could get well no that's pretty cool i was about to say that was bad but then what was i thinking i am constantly smiling happy guy very happy guy wow well it really takes a fun out of a nude beach for you though doesn't it't it?

Then you're imagining them with their clothes on. I bet you that guy wears a tux often. What would you look like in a dress or a skirt? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. In a dress? It has flowers on it. It does. For the record, nobody looks good in a maxi dress. I'm going to say that. Really? Wow. Scandal. Yeah, I know. C's going to throw out her maxi dresses. I'm not throwing that shit out. I like it. Nobody can look good in a maxi dress. I haven't seen you in a maxi dress. I think we need a fashion show. I've got one and I love it.

I'm actually going to ask C to get into the maxi dress after this because I think there may be some change. Were we eating so much cheese earlier? I don't know if I can see anything. I think it's a good idea. Okay. Maybe it'll happen. Thank you. to get into the maxi dress after this because I think there may be some change. Were we eating too much cheese earlier? I don't know if I could have anything. I think it's a good idea. Okay, maybe it'll happen. There's only one way to solve this debate. There is only one way. And that's to masturbate. And that is to fight in a duel. A master debate.

Ooh, a duel. Okay, so. Well, have they got any questions? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, anything for us? Whilst Mr and Mrs Adams are thinking about this, I just want to say, guys, if you have any questions for us or any of our guests, then we'd love to hear them and I'm sure the Adams would be very interested in answering or perhaps seeing some of the interesting questions you guys come up with so that if you want to do that then we have an email address. It's cnd at swingingdownunder.com We actually have our website up now as well which is swingingdownunder.com Oh wow, this is very Hollywood.

It's very Hollywood right now. Twitter, you can find us at Swing Down Under. And Facebook's Swinging Down Under or Swing Down Under. Just have a look around. I'm sure you'll figure it out. Yeah, Google. Google. Yeah, use the Google machine. Google machine answers so much. Bless you, Google. So, sorry, I interluded there a little bit, but I want to hear any questions you have of us. We have a couple of simple questions, and we've already asked you these, but we still like them, and I think it's interesting for the world to hear them. The first question would be...

You need to give us a time frame. Remember last time? So you each have 30 seconds. That's a lot of silence on a podcast. Yeah, I know. That's why you can't take that. Maybe let's go 10 seconds. Ooh, three seconds. Yeah, okay. You have to give us time now. Okay. Negative. All right. Deodorant or toothpaste? Deodorant, okay. Yeah. All right. So if you had to give up one of the following three, which would you give up? Oral, vaginal, anal? Oral. You'd give up? I'd give it up, yeah. I'd give it up for vaginal and anal. That's both giving and receiving. Yeah. I'd give up. I stand by.

I'd give up anal. Give up anal. Okay. Both giving and receiving. Both giving and receiving. Yeah. Okay. And... That's it. That was the question. No, there was... The follow-up to that is... He's already jumping ahead. Wow. Yeah, sorry. That's what I do. We'll fix that in post. The follow-up to that is if you could only have one of those for the rest of your life, which would it be? There's still sex toys though, right? Just... But yes, but only for that one orifice. Seriously. The vaginal. Yeah. Actually, I think it'd probably just be clitoral, I don't know. which would it be?

There's still sex toys though, right? But yes, but only for that one orifice. Vaginal. Actually, I think it'd probably just be clitoral, wouldn't it? Just minus the vaginal altogether. Just go straight for clitoral. I like you and the magic wand at the same time. That is a good thing. And hence why I am staying with vaginal also. Because I do like a vibrating vagina. I have to say, a vibrating vagina is probably one of my favorite vaginas. Nothing like a fleshlight. A fleshlight? You know what a fleshlight is. Yeah, I know what a fleshlight is. I've not tried one, though. Have you tried?

Have you got one? I don't know. Oh, quick rundown. Go. Yeah, what's it like? Oh, it's awesome. Cleanup's a mess, but it's great. That's my next question. The next question is... You know it's bad when you use a condom on your sex toy. Oh, wow. Safe sex. Safe sex. Always safe sex. You don't want to give yourself any time. No, no. I mean, who knows what I have? That's a really good idea, though. Yeah. Using a condom in your own sex toy. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. It is a great idea. Well done. It's what I do. Yeah, I mean. I'm a problem solver. Yeah.

Okay, so that's a tip there for everyone out in the podcast world as well. Condom, and also make sure you use lubricant on the inside of the condom. Absolutely. Yeah, that's the way to go. I don't understand why. Is that, why is this now a? No, it's not a, so it's a, let's just say. I didn't know about it. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. So C wasn't aware of it. Well, you don't wear condoms. Well, I don't wear condoms. So she wouldn't need to. But yeah, no, we were surprised. We had a... Discussion about it recently. Discussion about it recently.

And not only C didn't know, but a lot of my male friends weren't aware of that as well. So, yeah, read the frickin' label, people. There are instructions on condoms. How many people have read them? What do you think the percentage is? I know I have, so it's at least greater than.01. Is that 16 billion divided by... Yes. That's been heaps of fun. Thank you so much for joining us. We've had a great time. Yeah, stick around. There'll be more cheese. Well, no more cheese. There'll probably be something else. Actually, there's a good We'll be more cheese. Well, no more cheese.

There'll probably be something else. Actually, there's a good Aussie barbecue. Yeah. With Asian chicken and Asian salad. But hey. You said a good Aussie barbecue. I'm cooking this. It might be an okay. It'll be up a mediocre. It's going to be a great Aussie barbecue. It'll be up a mediocre, I think. You've given yourself a hard time again. Yeah, no. You've got to be nicer to yourself. Bloody oath he is. Bloody oath. Bloody oath. That's my best Australian right there. Is it? Really? That's your best? Yeah, it's terrible. Mrs. Adam, what's your... I don't have any... Closing statements.

Go on, come on. What? You always do the Australian stuff, and I tell you don't do it, because we're not Australian. Yeah, do the Australian stuff. I like Wanka. I like Wanka. Wanka? Yeah. It sounded so posh. It did sound, it sounded more than... We're going to take the train to Ataman. Oh, yeah, nice. Again, quite posh. I don't know where you think you are. After three? Full. Actually, it's very plummy Australian, isn't it? It is very. That's what the elevator tells me at work.

We're going on to on to level four yeah the elevator lady is a snobby bitch i'll let her know i knew that she judges i've just realized if you cross an american accent with an australian accent you actually end up with an adelaidean accent snobby snobby adelaidean yeah it's an adelaide never been, wow. We need to go to Adelaidea. Adelaidea is a place, yeah. It's just beside chlamydia. Yeah. Next to Labia. Next to Labia. God. Down the road from gonorrhea. To our Adelaidean friends out there. Wow. Here's our address and you can come and kill Dee at will. We're going to close it off there.

So that's Mr. and Mrs. Adam. Thanks, Gus. Fantastic to have you on. And this is C. And this is Dee. And this is Swinging Down Under.