Listener Questions – P37

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This is C. And this is D. And this is Swinging Down Under. Welcome to what we expect to be a pretty snapshot, a little quick little podcast here today. We're actually answering some of the listener questions we have received recently on Twitter and on email. Yeah, so we're hoping we can keep it short, but we'll just see how much C decides to flap a gums on the way through as to whether this gum's a long one or not. I don't flap gums. I ramble and go on tangents. Good point. Sorry, gum flapping is... Speaking of which, has anyone watched Garfield lately?

You know, I really find that cat in the stripes to be quite interesting. He loves pizza. Tangent. Lasagna, actually. Damn it, damn it. At least if you're going to go off on tangent. I thought I was being so clever because I've actually never seen Garfield. At least if you're going off on tangent, make sure that your tangent's appropriate. Make sure you know the subject matter. Yeah. Good idea. Okay, so we're going to do some answers to some questions first from one of our followers on Twitter, actually. On Twitter there, Wine and Fun Times.

Yeah, so we've been chatting with those guys a little bit on Twitter and they decided to ask us some questions or give us some questions that they think that they'd like to know and um they think maybe the rest of you guys might like to know so and they're from the land down under they are yes they are apparently they like going down under as well oh wow i mean how many times do you think in um australian podcasts has that been used i'm going to say a lot in australian podcasts really narrowing the uh the field down there so i'm going to say not many just by sheer podcast volume okay well i think there's a lot of podcasts down in australia i'm not saying they're all swinger podcasts so you're thinking that a podcast may be about aeronautical engineering they talk about wow this is again you're on a tangent you don't and you're digging the hole too deep.

Good. So this one, they've titled it The Sexy Swinging Six, and they've said it's six questions that might help listeners to get to know us a little better. Yeah. First question, what's your favorite position? I think this will actually help us get to know each other a little better as well because we haven't answered all of these questions to each other.

We haven't even properly read them at this point so yeah so them so what was the first one what's your favorite position so you i actually asked this this morning randomly yeah um and i think there's actually two answers to this and its favorite position now let's establish its favorite position between us we're assuming go favorite position between us and then go favorite position maybe in a group swinging setting. We just totally doubled the length of this podcast. It's gone from 30 minutes to like an hour. Yeah, because people are really not used to that at all. Yeah, good point.

Favorite position. So, favorite position for me, so for making love, it is missionary. Really? Yeah. Because you've got good eye contact, that sort of thing. Good connection. Yeah. That's what I like about it for making love. For fucking, it's doggy. And if it was a swinger setting? Why don't I do that? Well, no, because I want to know yours as well. So it's doggy, but it would probably be doggy with also then the female sucking the penis of another man. But I thought about one this morning. Go.

Okay, so you're behind me yeah i'm i'm down going down on some girl another girl is sitting on her face and the girl that's sitting on her face is sucking somebody else's dick yeah we've got a you've got an odd number of people there though hey maybe there's a unicorn in the room yeah okay who are you to deny i don't know hey look i mean if you're going you're now talking like orgy situation yeah i was just saying that sounds like a pretty interesting It is. It does sound very interesting.

The thing is that I was thinking about it, though, you'd need some mirror positioning because if that was happening, say, for example, you were the girl that was sitting on someone's face and sucking somebody's cock, you really don't have a lot of visual stimulation happening. A lot for me. I feel like, yeah, there's a lot. I think I'm doing all right. Yeah.

And and also the guy at the other end i'm at the end of the worm and the other guy yeah that's the only downside in my vision oh nonsense um but otherwise i'd agree with your other positions oh wow you're just gonna seriously you're just gonna like i don't like the term doggy though why not i don't know sounds a bit bogan so what what's your preference what do you want to call it um i don't like the term doggy, though. Why not? I don't know. Sounds a bit bogan. So what's your preference? What do you want to call it? I don't know. Taking me from behind. Taking the dog for a walk? Not good?

That's how you take your dog for a walk? Sometimes. Depends how bad the dog's being. I'm so thankful we don't have a dog. No, I don't know. I just don't like the term, but it kind of bothers me a lot. Really? Yeah. Wow. I should probably stop using that then. You know what? It probably does depend on who's saying it and the accent of the person saying it. So for me, I'm like an Australian says it. I'm like, that's bogan. Bogan is the Australianism for redneck for people out there. And for British, it'd be like a shav. Hey, hey. Wow. Swinging around the world. Question two.

How old were you when you had your first threesome or swinging experience? That's an easy one to ask. Easy one to answer, rather. I was 29. You were 29? Mm-hmm. First, well, actually, well, I was, that puts me at 39 as well, first threesome. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. Or swinging experience. Yeah. Okay. All right. I've got a question there to throw in that I don't know anybody's ever asked us as well. This is just an additional, it's a side question. It's a side plot question. Virginity loss. This is going to freak some people out there in the podcast society.

I think there's going to be jaws dropping all over the place. Because I'm young, but you're very young. Well, hey, there's no preamble to this. Answer the question. What's your age? I was 13. You were 13. Yeah. Okay.

I was 13 when i lost my virginity with penetrative sex yeah i was a little younger than that you are right i lost my virginity for oral a little bit earlier though yeah i'm not sure that that counts as a virginity does it good question i don't think so i don't personally i don't think so i think well but that's just my opinion and you know opinions are like i'm sure people people have their own opinions yeah um my my first time was when i was first penetrative sex with a hard-on was at seven years old let Let's just say I had a very, very naughty 12-year-old next-door neighbour, female, who took me under her wing.

All of the parents out there right now are freaking the fuck out. It didn't damage me, though. It's not like I'm broken.

I find even, you know, my sister has children, and I found out when i was talking to her about you know when you're having the conversation about sex with the children and she was like oh they're only 13 and 14 and i was like yeah do you remember when you were 13 and 14 and she went oh holy shit yeah i think so yeah it happens younger't know, but interestingly enough, so we live in Singapore and just say for everybody out there, the average virginity loss here in Singapore is 23 years old. Yep, and typically to your wife or husband. Okay, what's your favourite toy?

Well, this is unfair, you only have one, so maybe you can answer like what's your favourite toy that we would use maybe. My favourite toy has become very quickly since the last encounter We'll be right back. one so maybe you can answer like what's your favorite toy that we would use maybe my favorite toy has become very quickly since the last um encounter we had the double dildo yeah oh okay yeah cool yeah that thing's fucking awesome we do need to buy one of those i want like two of those oh oh now there's an interesting question i wonder if anyoneo, a double dildo, and then a strap-on.

D-V, no, D-V-V, D-V... Double dildo, double D-D, double dildo, vaginal penetration, maybe? No, double dildo, vaginal, anal penetration. So double, double dildo, two dildos, two double-ended dildos. Yeah. Vaginal and anal at the same time with the double-ended dildos. Oh. So it's not really like DVP. I've got to say, and then I'm throwing in two Hitachis. It's more just... I mean... No one's getting off on that. I don't know. There's way too much happening. No, I think people would lose it.

I think there'd be people who'd lose their shit okay but not literally well i was gonna say thank you for clarifying maybe i mean uh good moving on so my favorite toy let's not move on that's my favorite thing was not a great idea anyone has ever ever has anybody done that i really want to know that that is what i'm actually what i was where i was going with that i was thinking more double ended dildo but then somebody had a strap on and was oh yeah even more interesting having anal sex man that's some fucking logistic operational sort of you'd need a logistics manager for that you'd need somebody off to the side i'm sure there'd be a few like no no hang on up a little interested in kind of standing by and saying wait no yep yeah you'd have to put reversing beepers on people and stuff i don't think so yeah um my favorite toy actually it's interesting because i just want to hitachi oh yeah well it is a hitachi sorry did i just did you just cough hitachi did i just cough hitachi um i actually used d's toy on him recently for the first time.

Yeah. And what is it, a flip top? That's not it. No, you're thinking of the old Colgate ads. The flip top head. What is it? It's a flip. That's what it's called, a flip. That was pretty interesting, using a toy on you, because you were always obviously using them on me, and I'm always using them on myself, and we're using them a lot in play, but to use a man's toy is pretty new for me and I was really excited about that. Boy's toys are a lot more work though. There's a lot more, there's pre-work, there's clean-up work, there's drying. You can't just dry them with a towel.

You know, like, there's a lot more work involved in a boy's toy. We should buy you another toy. We should go looking online. Okay. Well, I mean, you're threatening her to do it, so. Yeah, sounds good. Okay. What's something our listeners would be surprised to hear about you? Huh. What do you think they would be surprised to hear about you? Shit. A lot of things. That's a very good question. I'm not sure. You've written a book? Oh, yeah. I'm a published author. That'd be one of them. You're a pilot? No, they know that. Do they? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Yeah, published author. Write a book.

Actually, we should do this for each other. Yeah, I mean, what about, okay, so I think people tune into this not to hear about the fact that I've written a book. They tune in to hear about some, you know, something a little more sexy. Okay. So what would they be interested to hear about you? Hmm, good question. Crickets, do you want to circle back? Yeah, let's come back to that one. That's a tough one. Thank you for that, guys. We probably should have a bit of information for next time around. This next one's pretty easy. What's your favourite icebreaker game? Now, for us, it's arcade games.

So, sexisfun.net. Yeah. It's pretty good. Yeah, there's four games on there, I think. Oh, no, sorry. There are four games, but two of them are really geared just for couples, like for keeping the spice in a monogamous couple relationship. And then there's two others that we have that are not for a more open environment. However, one of those… It's pretty hardcore. It's pretty hardcore from the get-go. You've got to have played with people before. Yeah, like we would use those now if we were back maybe having a bit of fun with P&S in Sydney. You reckon? Yeah. Okay. I don't think we'd need it.

I'm just fantasizing about it. Yeah, okay. I figured you might be. Just take a moment. All that good sex available in Sydney. So many orgasms. Yeah. They're not the only ones either. Keep that in mind. Okay. What's a sexual experience that you haven't tried that you'd like to try next? Ooh. Oh, that's... Sorry, I'm going to let you answer that one. I know that one's for you. What? Is double penetration. What? Of you? Yeah. But how can that be my sexual experience? Because that's what you want to try. No, but that's what I want you to try. Okay. So, what do you want to try?

I'd like to be one of the peas in the penetration of you. That's my next thing that I'd like to try. So, exactly what I just said. No, it isn't because you said... Oh, there are so many people out there listening right now just saying... There could be two guys in the room who are nothing to do with me who double penetrate you, you see. What? And you're the logistics manager? Yeah, I'm logistics... I've got the beeper on your ass.

Beep when you're reversing reversing in and okay i've got two hands craning the things in yeah like this is just sexual experience that i want to try you know what it's i i've really i've been listening to a lot of our friends lately have parties with multiple groups of people and i kind of and going to clubs and you know sexy halloween parties and i kind of miss the idea of having a few sexy people in a room together and just everybody enjoying each other. So you mean a gangbang orgy style thing where you know the people beforehand?

Yeah, I was going to say, you need to clarify that because some of them are just like, hi, we're here for the gangbang. Yeah. And there's a guy like twirling his moustache in the corner, smoking out of a pipe with a velvet jacket on. I mean, you've just described James Bond with a moustache. We'll be right back. smoking out of a pipe with a velvet jacket on. I mean, you've just described James Bond with a moustache. No, he's old. He's got sagging skin and I don't know. Wow. I'm not sure where to go from there. The moustache man. Oh, the moustache man? Yeah. What's wrong with being old?

No, this guy. This guy's like a creepy old smoking pipe moustache man. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, you probably should give that descriptor up front. That's what I'm saying. Now you're saying that. So, what I would like, my experience that I would like to try is more about, like, if we've got a really good connection with multiple couples and just having a really fun time. Yeah. So, gangbang, but with people you know. There needs to be another name for that. I know. That's what I was thinking. Like, surely there's another name. Or a... Let's research. Copious coupless. Ooh. Eroticus.

Copious coupless eroticus. That's what I've got for an hour. Right. Trademark. Oh, that's not worth trademarking. Nobody's ever going to say that more than once. It's too big. Say it drunk 10 times. CCE. There you go. Hey, what's something the listeners would be surprised to hear about me? We forgot to answer that for me. What do you think? C wears glasses. Well, nobody's seen the top of your head.

Every we give them wait i get a more surprising one i have a head yeah and a forehead exactly yeah well the forehead's normally attached to said head maybe not maybe i'm one of those like short forehead people it's still a forehead attached to a head i I mean, your tangents tonight are really, they're sort of more acute angles than true tangents. A plus plus. I still don't have anything that would surprise people, I don't think. I think I've been pretty open with the cast. Trying to think. Probably the only thing that I could say is that I have played with men in the past.

That would probably be about the only thing that would surprise people. How often? When you were younger, obviously. Oh, when I was younger. Also, when we first started in the lifestyle as well.

But I still i mean i'm i still consider myself straight it's just that the there's been men along the way that i've found interesting so circumstantial circumstantial very circumstantial very uh and very uh individually biased but again i still consider myself straight and i know there's people out there that will say if you've been with a man you're not straight well just really depends on how you define yourself you know I'm not going to assign myself something that other people think you don't believe is the right terminology I believe that I am straight well here's the point everybody would want to put a label on something and I think that who you know whatever we decide we are is the label that we place on ourselves and therefore nobody can really place a label on ourselves for me I mean I think that I mean the journey is so interesting that there's just so many things that I think that Thank you.

For me, I mean, I think that, I mean, the journey is so interesting that there's just so many things that I think that even you find out about yourself that you had no idea about. I don't know. I don't really know where to go with that. Yeah, well, I mean, you didn't really answer the question. No, I don't because I have no idea. Okay. So there's nothing about you that would surprise people. Seriously, glasses, that would surprise people. Blue eyes, that's another one. Blue eyes. So, he's got blue eyes. Ears. We need to think about something and circle back. Yeah. It's pretty full on.

Oh, here's something. Oh, what do you got? Oh, this is a bit of a surprise, maybe. What? Well, it may or may not be a surprise. I have boobs. You do have boobs. Uh-huh. I have had my boobs enhanced. There we go. I was just... I didn't want to say it. You were jiggling your body, and I was like... I was jiggling. I wasn't... That is a boob jiggle. That is a boob jiggle. Okay, for everybody who can't see, he's got his hands in little cups, and he's in front of his chest going up, down. Ultimately. Yeah.

Now, again, I ask for any correction from anyone out there if you believe that's not a boob jiggle. I think they do agree. Okay. So, that was from WineFunTimes on Twitter. WineFunTimes, thank you, guys. Very good questions. Sorry that that was a little sort of all over the place because, well. Well, we're real and we like to give real experiences, but also kind of real, you know, when you first hear something and then your reaction is whatever it is. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you don't get much more real than that. No. So, let's move on. Movie gone.

On Twitter again, so it's a couple that follow us from the United States called Sexy Married Secrets. Yes. And they've just followed us fairly recently, actually, and I know that they've been connecting with a few different podcasts because they are looking to join the lifestyle. And, you know, researching like we all did, researching and trying to figure out and find your feet and decide what you'd like and how to begin and where to go. So, if anybody's looking for some newbies to pounce. That is so evil, but I love it. It is evil, but go get them, fellas and fellettes.

Oh, God god okay so a asked um how how do you balance or compartmentalize religion or how do you balance the vanilla with the other side of the lifestyle yeah i don't think that we're we're certainly not the people well i'm certainly not the person when it comes to religion to answer that question no um so talk about how do you balance the lifestyle then yeah okay so the lifestyle for us is i mean when we first came in and if you've if you listened to some of our earlier podcasts we we were a bit surprised that people called it a lifestyle because we always thought that it'd just be a little bit of fun on the side you know to enhance our relationship or to enhance our sex life and the term lifestyle kind of would make you assume that it is a massive massive part of who you are as a person and a part of your everyday life exactly and one of the things that we did find on the way through is that it does become a lifestyle it becomes part of your everyday conversations because there's really no secrets anymore between c and i so we get to talk about things that we wouldn't have ever talked about in the past additionally it is something that we're regularly engaged in either meeting new couples or catching up with old couples or old couples that doesn't sound right but catching up with old friends who are now couples looking for single males you know all sorts of things to try and um keep the uh keep that rotation going you know especially for us we've had to rebuild now in singapore so you know we're re-meeting a whole lot of people so that's so I think the balancing part really comes down to – I mean, this weekend's a perfect example.

Yep. We have not done anything lifestyle this weekend. Well, we're currently podcasting. Beside that. We answer some emails. Beside that. Yeah. No, no. I mean, we haven't been involved in anything. We haven't gone on any dates. We haven't gone on any dates. We haven't – well, we've spoken to some friends in the US, but you've got to remember – We took a weekend for us. Yeah, but the thing is, I think the people you meet along the way become – well, certainly for us become friends first, swing partners second. And you know what?

This is a good time to talk about the fact that there are different kinds of people in the lifestyle so for us you know a big part of the lifestyle is is being that socio-sexual swinger whereby we we really enjoy you know intelligent um and friendly people as well as sexy sexy minds people sexy minds before sexy bodies so if we if we find people enjoy, you know, engaging with these people is not necessarily anything lifestyle. It's just that we have some really open, great friendships. In terms of the religious question, I mean, we're not overly religious people. Yeah, we're not.

I would say we're very... We might be a little bit spiritual, but we're not.

highly that that way to be i mean i'm a i'm a um a student of science so a science and engineering so for me i can't answer that question well however yeah we do know somebody who can answer that question so here's what i was going to say anyone out there who maybe is is um you know thinking about a or yeah grappling between religion and swinging and marriage and swinging you know head over to our friends um the joneses and they're on twitter or their website and they're called we got a thing so w-e-g-o-t-t-a-t-h-i-n-g so we got a thing um they're religious and they actually have a podcast episode that they talk about religion and um and it's great for that as a resource yeah it was um even for me i when we originally found out that the mr and mrs jones were uh quite religious we oh well certainly i was interested in how they balanced or or rationalized that in their own minds and i think their podcast does a really good job of explaining how they did that i mean certainly for me even after even for me being not a religious individual hearing that conversation that they had i thought wow okay now i understand how how it's been rationalized for them they do a great job of talking just about the fact that they are committed to each other, they love each other, they're life partners, and this is just something that enhances their relationship.

And they really do a good job of talking that through. Talking that point through, yeah. And the podcast episode in question actually is the podcast that is With This Ring, I These Swing.

So check that one that one out yeah it's a good cast um even if you're not uh religious but you you're interested in how people balance this we may have a play partner who is that way yeah but it's a good way to um it's a good way to understand understand it given that especially if you don't have a religious upbringing uh it's a good it helps you understand how to interact with other people as well, which is great. So anyway, we probably should move on to the next question, which is what were your experiences before the lifestyle? Sexual experiences? I'm going to say sexual, yes.

Yeah, so I – actually, hey, this might be something that people are shocked to hear about. I don't know. I had very – I would say very few partners previous. Yeah, I think we both did, actually, if you really look pretty lifestyle. I mean – I'm – okay, no, wait. You need to break up partners versus sexual partners because you had slept with a number slept with quite a number of people. No, my numbers are still pretty average. You think they're still pretty average? Yeah, low. They're pretty low. I mean, I think, what was I, seven we worked out? Yeah, you were seven.

Seven guys that you've slept with. Yeah, in the lifestyles. Sorry, previous to the lifestyle. Was there any non-guys? Yep. I had had an experience with a lady who was a friend and originally was bisexual but then leaned a little bit towards more being a lesbian. And yeah, I had some experience with her younger on. Yeah, earlier on.

But I mean, think that's probably a an interesting one because kind of for some people if they have been very sexually active going from maybe being extremely sexually active to being then open and having new experiences they're more not used to it but they kind of it's a progression for them i think this touches on an important point as well an important subject that i think we're going to do a cast on in the future i think a lot of people have this belief that everybody in the lifestyle in their home life is sexual maniacs is having sex every minute of every day now certainly there are people who fit into that category but there are people who don't as well there's there's people who are there's people out there we've met who have sex once a week once a month together but have a lot more sexual experiences a lot more sexual experiences than that with swinging partners so keep that in mind don't think just because if your if your sexual relationship at home is appropriate and i use the word appropriate because you're both reasonably happy with it and there's always some compromise on both sides then your section then your sex life is is what we would consider good i don't care whether you're doing it 10 times a day or or once every fortnight month if you guys are happy with that then that is a good sexual relationship if you choose to then extend on that by going to going into swinging then so be it you know and that might might mean that you have sex 20 times in a month because or 20 times in a day because you're having sex with other people as well now that's that's you know a totally different conversation i think no i think it is it's important to mention because there are almost expectations on the people in the lifestyle and, again, it comes back to that label.

I mean, the beautiful thing about joining the lifestyle and being in this community is that everyone is so different, what they want, how they go about it. It is a true cross-section of the normal community. Every person just enjoying and accepting everybody else for what it is that they would like yeah so i mean my experiences before the lifestyle um i sat down and i did work it out once um i think it was around 36 ladies from memory pre-lifestyle um so not a great deal um 36 ladies one guy played with pre-lifestyle Thank you.

from memory pre-lifestyle um so not a great deal um 36 ladies one guy played with pre-lifestyle um that's but that was it for me uh there wasn't you know i started very early as we discussed before but there was also a big break between between my first experience and then more my my first experience was an ongoing experience for probably a year but then the break between there and then the next part of my sexual life was you know i think i was probably 13 or 14 before the next time i had sex so there's a big gap can i maybe ask then i mean not just about sexual experience in terms of numbers because that's really what we've focused on, but what about sexual experience in activity?

So oral, you know, anal sex, you know, experiencing with toys, experiencing with light bondage or heavy bondage, whatever. I mean, what about that? What would you say has been the difference pre and post lifestyle in terms of that exploring sexuality in general? Porn, for example. Well, I think certainly for me i i had been involved in many of the things you discussed um i mean all all aspects so anal vaginal oral um sex and all of the other things that come up with that come along with that i suppose um I had been involved in all of those pre-lifestyle. Okay. But there's a difference.

I have to say there's a difference pre- and post-lifestyle in terms of what you really take away from those experiences. Like what? Well, I just think that in lifestyle stuff, if you're involved with another lady, then you learn a new way or something different or you hopefully learn how to, especially if you've been with them a few times, you learn how to expand your offering to your partner. Okay.

So certainly, you know, I may have experienced everything up until then and i'm and i may have thought that i was quite good in bed in all aspects of being in bed however i've learned a huge amount more since being involved in the lifestyle in terms of what people like what they don't like what you, what I would never have even tried with you that has been taught to me during a sexual adventure in the lifestyle. Yeah, that's a good point. I guess it opens up the experiences within your own relationship sometimes as well. Yeah, yeah. So what about you?

I would say actually that I had a fairly normal, I i mean i can't really think of a good word for it but in terms of my sexual experience like yes standard standard yeah yeah yes i tried oral yes i tried vaginal a little bit of anal but not much um and i tend to enjoy that um so but again you know some some partners didn't i mean my previous partner did not like anal at all so yes i've tried them but you know were they common probably not but had i tried anything else like light bdsm or anything like that absolutely not yeah actually not at all didn't go into that um bdsm never really been exposed to that either until the lifestyle yeah uh and which is an eye opener i think for you yeah yeah because you would never have known that it was something you're interested in actually just even being open with yourself and being open with others in terms of what you would like i mean you know i grew up in a family where sex was a dirty word so you couldn't experience and you shouldn't have experienced pleasure or sex actually, there's something you guys probably wouldn't know about me.

I didn't own my first skirt until I was 18. And anything you wore that was above knee, you had to wear? Like an undergarment. Yeah, like a full-length boy shorts underneath.

So, yeah, so having, I guess, that bit of a delay and not being able to understand that you can express what you want and it's okay and sex is not dirty and you know yes tell somebody what they're not doing correctly or they could do better you know that's fine and people are accepted they're not gonna run screaming from the hills or get angry at you you know that was a big deal for me yeah i think that's probably we've probably led in somewhat into the next question which is actually how did we learn our desires early on in the lifestyle and i think the only way we learned them was well trial and error yeah twofold i think we we certainly discussed things that we enjoyed with each other but also um things came up when we were playing with other people opportunities opportunities arose um you talk about it you look on porn yeah i mean how do you how do you know what you like well sometimes you got to do a bit of research and you got to talk it through and say hey how sometimes you get it fucking wrong yeah wrong hey how would you feel about if i bought a strap on and did some pegging you know i mean yeah until you talk about it or experience it you really don't know what your reaction is going to be to it exactly and you may choose to do something and you decide look gave it a go not for us fine or you may actually do something and go wow i had absolutely no idea that i enjoy being spanked and so much the better i mean your life is more fulfilled potentially your sexual life is more fulfilled because of it yeah absolutely so i think Thank you.

i enjoy being spanked and so much the better i mean your life is more fulfilled potentially your sexual life is more fulfilled because of it yeah absolutely so i think uh unfortunately it really does come down to trial and error um and can i say when you do those trials and errors uh certainly the error side there's going to be occasions where you overextend your boundaries and perhaps need to have a discussion with each other that is somewhat uh brisk let's let's use that because We'll be right back.

where you overextend your boundaries and perhaps need to have a discussion with each other that is somewhat brisk. Let's use that. Because we, I mean, certainly along our route as well, we've had some... Oh, God. Does anybody actually know that that's an Australian term for having sex out there? Yeah, I'm sure that people are. It is one of the worst. If I ever hear anyone say like, yeah, mate, had a root on the weekend. Yeah. That's somebody saying had sex. It's the most disgusting Australian term. One of the most disgusting. I love rooting, yeah. Oh, so bad.

Can you say it in a really Australian accent? Hey, go. Had a good root on the weekend, say it. Had a fantastic root on the weekend. What was that? I don't know. That was like British. I don't do Australian accent. I'm an Australian. This is my fucking Australian accent. All right. It's true. So, the next one, the next one along is from, sorry, it's from T, who's. A's partner. A's partner. Sorry, is that Mr.

T that mr mr t that's mr t all right he just got himself a name mr t that is now your name um the day after how do you handle the fact that you've had sex with somebody else is there residual guilt or jealousy i'm gonna actually can i just wind back the clock a little bit here to the first single male experience we had? The reason I'm bringing that one up in particular is that is the one and the only time that the next morning you've been a little bit like a deer in the headlights. The only time in the last two years that you've had any kind of emotion towards, wow, what happened?

i done actually is the is the phrase that i used in in my own mind um so yeah nicely nicely fended off from you by the way we'll come back to you oh i can come back to me i've got a good one too so certainly for me how do you how do i handle it handle the fact that i've had sex with somebody else well for starters, one of the things we've learned along the way is we would never progress in any sexual experience without a full and aware understanding of the fact that my partner, C, is happy for me to do that.

So straight away, it gives you at least some confidence in the fact that you're not doing something that's going to jeopardize your relationship right yeah we do little verbal check-ins we do non-verbal i mentioned i think on one of the recent podcasts about your look yeah hey give me like the little eyebrow raise and the kind of i just want to check you're okay you know you're checking in with me you're, I'm about to potentially enter someone. Are you okay? How are you feeling? And I'm like, give you the little...

You either give me the kangaroo in the headlights, which is don't do that, or, and I'm using Australianisms there, kangaroos freeze in headlights of cars.

So, or C gives me the nod, which is just, again, a nonverbal way of saying go ahead you know i'd enjoy i'd enjoy watching that yeah so um that's just that's the start of it for us is that we um and we've actually picked up something as well from the podcast we mentioned earlier and the jones is going to get a few plugs tonight a recent podcast they mentioned the fact that they um always check in before even heading to an event to find out what is the top end that you're comfortable with this evening you know is it like a pre-breathing yeah is it is it uh the fact that there'll be sexy conversation at a dinner table you'll share drinks and a meal and then go home is it that you're happy for there to be dp come end of night you know that's the i mean it's it's obviously a varying scale but um so certainly we've taken that on board and we we use that we've used that a couple of times now the first time around it was a little um like i think it is most of the time when you try new things it was a little shaky and that we didn't truly communicate well we're getting better at communicating that pre-brief now um but the key other thing for me is the debrief the key other thing so is actually being able to sit with somebody and it may not be a long conversation it may be not a full throws butes, but it might just be, hey, did you have fun tonight?

Yeah. What did you like? What's your key takeaway? What did you like? What you didn't like? Typically, the question I ask you, and I don't know whether you've even realized that, is did you have fun tonight? Yeah. So your flip out that you were going to talk about that you've completely glazed over and forgot. People can just go back to podcast 15 or whatever it is. No, it's not so earlier than that. It's like 10. How do you deal with having sex with somebody? It was a pretty big deal for me the first time.

Actually, during our swinging journey, Dee actually had penetrative sex with another woman the first time and i didn't do anything with a man that night and um later then i'd had um penetrative sex with the guy um depending on circumstances i mean we we really try not to you know take one for the team or force anything that we're not comfortable with um and so for us i mean having that next that next morning debrief or the thought the next morning after you wake up, we don't have really that, oh, my God, what did we do?

We tend not to have that because we do all of these checks and balances either before or during. There was only one time... It's before and during. We have to do both. There's only one time when I felt like I'd pushed it too far beyond what I was interested in. And, you know, we had a catch-up about that and we took about it. And we then do everything in our power not to let that circumstance happen again. Yeah. Yeah, for example, I mean, C is typically not great at saying no in a situation.

So if that's the case then it becomes me who has to do that and that's fine i don't mind that that burden being passed to me but you have to have some way a mutual understanding of the fact that that's the case and that that burden needs to be passed across there was one time because they've they've mentioned here is there any residual guilt or jealousy now there was one time when i had a moment when we got home and i i was jealous i because i i felt like you had like i'd looked over and you were pulling all of the exact moves that you use on me i remember that and i That was very early on.

That was early and very early. And we were kind of still finding our feet. And in fact, actually, that night's one of the ones where we've agreed that we shouldn't have progressed to where we'd progressed to because it wasn't right. We weren't, you know. We weren't in the right headspace. No. And there were some things happening earlier in the evening that we weren't, we didn't feel good about. So we shouldn't have done that night.

But that was an interesting one because i was particularly jealous and i said to you like you were fucking her the same way that you fuck me and he's like that's my move what do you want me to do exactly i'm like what i what do you think i'm a sex god you think i've got different moves for every girl oh hey here's my repertoire tea you know yeah completely ridiculous and illogical but in my head i'm like i looked over and you were fucking that girl the same way you fuck me and i was jealous yeah but i i think you will probably find very probably nearly i don't think you'll ever see me making love to a girl the same way i make love to you you don't think no Thank you.

You don't think? No. You don't think? No, I know you won't. You know what I mean. Like there's a – I know what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. It's your chance to pull the piss. Oh, God. So, yeah, you were extraordinarily jealous about that, and we had a fairly, again, a brisk conversation about that the next day. But it all worked out, right? We got through it. Yeah, and you know what? A few things happen about that.

Even if you have this moment where you're jealous, what I have learned now, and again, I guess it comes with also speaking my mind with what I want in the bedroom, but what I've also learned is that it's okay to have these conversations. If we walked into a party and I thought you were being overly flirtatious with a woman and I had a moment of like, shit, she is tall, slander, sexy, intelligent, like this woman is just amazing.

And I this just little twinge of jealousy i feel confident enough in our myself and our relationship to come over to you and say hey right or wrongly i'm feeling a little bit jealous about the flirtatious nature of your conversation and can you rein it back in a little yeah absolutely and and as we are doing this with each other and for each other, my first reaction to that would be to do exactly what you've asked.

in a little yeah absolutely and and as we are doing this with each other and for each other uh my first reaction to that would be to do exactly what you've asked of me yeah you would say of course and you would also then talk to me about like why are you feeling this way what am i is it something i'm doing is something that you're not feeling very confident tonight you know how can you help me get over that hurdle and later we may actually have sex with that woman yeah it's just that at that moment i'm feeling a bit self-conscious or whatever whatever it is yeah so that's another key thing you know don't just stand back at a party or whatever and just let that happen i mean talk to your partner can i say as well in the lifestyle and certainly for the newbies out there a lot of people don't understand this the ladies are in control they really are the ladies are in control they have the ability to start a party and stop a party because um they're the ones who who have to feel the most comfortable and sexy for sex to occur so if they're not feeling comfortable and sexy and uh feeling good in their relationship then it's it's generally not going to happen so it's up to the guys of each of the relationships to make sure they're doing the right thing by their partner otherwise it's just going to be a whole lot of people standing on one side of the room and a whole lot of people standing on the other side of the room like it was in high school dances you know so i think it's important that you that ladies do speak their mind and I think society has probably done a pretty good job of training ladies to to to not speak their mind when it comes to sex so you know break the mold or jealousy break the mold ladies get out yeah i have to say that's the case i mean we joke and we always say oh you know god she's sexy and i'll say yeah i want to set her on fire and that's my way of saying you don't ever say you want to say i don't say i want to set her on fire but i'm like no she's like an ugly woman but that's mean joke that's our little inside joke but what we've come to understand if i see a woman and i'm instantly like god damn it she's so she's so attractive, then that's actually a good thing.

Yeah, which is one of the problems. And the reason I corrected C on the setting people on fire, we've had a few things come from the police about stabbing people. No, I'm kidding, of course. But she is not a violent person at all, believe me. It's a term of endearment. It means that you are smoking hot and I'm a little bit intimidated. Yeah, which is not a bad thing all the time. So for me, residual guilt or jealousy, there was a jealousy event, which, again, if you go back through our back catalogue, you'll hear about our first single guy.

I think the title of the podcast is actually the first single guy and i think it's about podcast number 11 from memory so um if you want to hear about that then please go back have a listen it's um it's kind of eye-opening in terms of what was the other one guilt jealousy guilt guilt i don't think i've ever really felt guilty. Have you ever felt guilty? Yeah. We've covered jealousy, but I don't think I've ever really felt guilty. I have, because it took a lot for me to actually say, and even now, I mean, well, with the single guys in particular.

You know, I said in one of my previous podcasts that, you know, I have to remember that I have your okay to stop no or to continue oh really okay you know because sometimes i'm like should i be doing this i mean this is not you know what people intended this is not the mold for having a relationship you know yeah i do go through moments of feeling like i'm doing the wrong thing again that well-trained mold relationship should look absolutely yeah yeah isn't it isn't it uh interesting should that mold have been different from when we were younger we would have probably had a lot more interesting life whether whether it was set more sexually evolved or not it doesn't matter it would have been more interesting well the next one's interesting question it's how do we ensure confidentiality this is big for me this is huge for me um for those of you who maybe don't know we are here and we are here for for my we move for my role yeah everyone knows this if any if people were to find out about the lifestyle i would i would lose my job i would lose my job we'd lose our income we would be then sent back to australia and then my and then my ass groove in the couch would need to be like you know reworn again um in singapore the laws are pretty strict too so we may even be uh no i mean you're probably you're probably playing singapore's laws up there it has to be adultery for it to be a problem.

Consenting adults is not a problem. Correct, but if we had sex with another couple and one of the other people said we were not consenting, that's adultery and we're in trouble. Well, no, that's rape. That's a whole different ballgame. Good job. That's a very different ballgame. So, yeah. How do we ensure it, though? You learn. You learn, you meet people that you find. For starters, we rely on you guys to tell us every time Dee forgets to cut our names out of the podcast. Thank you and big thumbs up for everyone who's helped me out. That was wine and fun times again, actually.

They told us recently. Yeah. You learn when you read profiles, when you start talking to people, listen to your gut. Yeah. Your gut feelings on someone or something is how you need to just take that first step. So certainly, you know, you've got to get to the point where you exchange names.

I mean, even with us, with our aliases of C and D, at some point we have to exchange names with people right and and it's only polite that that's fairly early in the conversation because not a lot can be gleaned from a name provided you don't give them a whole lot of other things so you know we just try to keep i've got to say a lot of people keep your facebook profiles phone numbers things like that locked down because that's how people I don't know.

try to keep I've got to say a lot of people keep your Facebook profiles phone numbers things like that locked down because that's how people find people from what from what we've found you know if you've got an open profile on Facebook somebody knows your name they happen to get your phone number even if it's your first name it makes it very easy to find out who you are so just be smart about it lock down your facebook profile so that only the people you care about can see it make sure the phone number is in your facebook profile is absolutely locked out so nobody can see it you know there's no reason that anybody should need to should need to see your phone number on facebook your mobile no reason whatsoever or instagram or whatever any of those so make sure that's all locked out because the easiest most traceable way to find somebody is their name and their phone number first name phone number I'm not going to do that.

no reason whatsoever or instagram or whatever any of those so make sure that's all locked out because the easiest most traceable way to find somebody is their name and their phone number first name phone number makes it very simple second is your um first name and your industry or job or company and the city that you live in if you have those three things yeah it makes it it makes it somewhat easy to to track yeah but um you know so would never, ever say to anyone, don't give somebody a real first name. I don't think that – personally, I find that somewhat insulting. It is insulting.

Once you've been talking to people. Yeah, once you've been talking to people. I know people who've done it. We've played with people who've done it as well. And we've seen it here, yeah. But, you know, it does have to get to a point where you start trusting your community. And the lifestyle community is a pretty tight-knit community, and we do tend to look out for our own in general. Yeah. We haven't had anyone attempt to out us. I mean, we heard a story a little while ago on Twitter from an Australian couple that they had someone attempt to out them.

But again, I mean, the bulk of the people in the lifestyle are very lovely, interesting and exciting and fun people that wouldn't really want to. And keep in mind. Everyone's got something to lose, right? Yeah, absolutely.

Keep in mind if they're in the lifestyle, then're in the lifestyle or even better than that even if they're a family member if they're if they find your details after you know even for us if my family one of my family members found out what see and i do um i would simply say well obviously you're involved you're interested or involved in this lifestyle already you know so it it does add an amount of security just in the fact that people have to go they have to go looking yeah you know you're not just going to stumble across cni online it's you have to go looking for us and even with our details it's still not going to be an easy mission no not all, because we do have those security settings set pretty tight.

This is an interesting one. I want you to answer this one. Go. How much does being in the lifestyle cost us financially? Oh, this is a good question. I know, right? I read it and I was like, oh, Jesus. Okay, so if we... Just maybe break it down into like a date-looking memberships, you know, and then carry on to international travel. Typically in dates, most people in the lifestyle, I think, are reasonably aware that it's a split-bill scenario if you go out and meet somebody. And if somebody pays for you or you pay for them, it's generally a swings and roundabouts scenario.

So the expectation would be, hey, you know, we bought you guys a drink and a meal. Next time around, you would do the same for us, right? But in saying that, you're still looking at, you know, in Australia, it's around $100 for the night for us as a couple. Minimum. I'd say more like $250. For you and I, that's if it's a play night. If we're talking a date night. Even still with the drinks and maybe some nipples. No. Okay. No, you're crazy. Well, we did stop doing dinners. No, you're talking, hang on, I'm talking about out dinners. Yeah, no, that's what I'm talking about.

Like if we go to a pub and we order a couple of bottles of wine, some cocktails, it's going to be a minimum $200. Yes, you're probably right. It's probably about $100 each. Yeah, okay. So I stand corrected. So you're right. I am wrong. So that's each, probably about $200. It's probably roughly the same sort of money here in Singapore we've found. U.S., it's just to scale on the – realistically, I think you could scale most of this stuff just purely by the exchange rate. We tend to not go out to dinners anymore too. When we first started the lifestyle, we were going out to dinners with people.

Now, the reason we don't do that is because it really does commit you, especially first time. I'm really – I'm taking it back to first time. We go to dinners, well, obviously, with people that we've played with and met before.

but first time i'm really i'm taking it back to first time we go to dinners well obviously with people that we've played with and met before but first time dates dinners they're they're more formal they're locking you down potentially to a seated atmosphere rather than a stool or standing up so you've got less ability to move around but also you're there for an hour hour and a half minimum and the cost is higher so you're aiming for drinks first first time around. Casual drinks in a nice bar, somewhere where you can still talk.

And then, to be honest, if we do like them after that, then generally we'll invite them to dinner and drinks at our house. Mainly because it's a… A place to play if you want to go down that pathway. If you want to, but, I mean, we've also not done that as well. It's just a more comfortable environment.

the drinks are more free-flowing we have we enjoy hosting we enjoy hosting we have our toast our tastes in wine in air or in scotch or whatever our drink of choice is in our cupboard so you know there's no need for us to go um hunting that anywhere else we do enjoy going out but it's um it's nice to be at home as well memberships to dating websites um is another cost that you need to consider and i i really would just if you're going to be on multiple sites commit to a membership with one site and then maybe be a guest in other sites don't have two and three and four memberships that you are on where you're paying a premium per month or annually yeah that's my view well typically i think we found generally with the exception of possibly asia there's typically one dominant site that looks after your area and it may be state-based it may be even smaller than that it may just be you know a city-based site that is actually dominant in that area so that that's something to keep in mind make sure we don't don't go for the very first site you trip over make sure you have a look around and there are there are some very good sites that do have some national and international um uh conversations you know and people but we've found very much that they're localized and it's a it's a real downfall with that with this industry actually with the with the swinging industry i think and if you do invite people over i would say don't be afraid to ask them to bring something yeah you know you don't have to expect that you're going to be fronting 100 of the alcohol for the night because it can get quite expensive, you know, maybe just say like, hey, can you guys bring a bottle of wine and some whatever with you.

Yeah, so I'm saying if you're having a date out, it's a couple of hundred – dinner and drinks is a couple of hundred dollars. If it's just drinks, you're looking at $100. At home, you're probably looking at around $100-ish for dinner and drinks. You've got a club as well. I mean, if you go to a club, then you've got the club fee. Yeah. But, you know, a lot of the time it's BYO drinks, so that can be a great way to meet new people, even if you just have a conversation. It's a reasonably cheap night. The club fees can vary by country, by state, by, you know, location. City location, sure.

So anything from, you know, we've been – the cheapest we've been to was $30, which is i think like that's a house that was that was a house party which we will never go back to that house um and then the top end we've ever paid is 250 i think um we have been to a party that was more than that i think it was 350 but3.50, but we were invited as guests. So we didn't actually have to pay that. Pay the fee. We didn't have to cover that. So it really depends on where you go. What I can say is, find a good club in your area. Clubs sound very scary, but I actually feel they're the safest environment.

And I don't mean safest as in nobody will try and pounce you i mean there's just there's a multitude of people it's the easiest place where you can say hey look we're done for the night we're we're out of here you know just talk to people we're very social people so and you get to meet new people like newbies hate talking about going clubs because we have none here it makes it so sad thank you oss for spoiling this um okay sorry the other thing is that you know if you do then decide to take this further and go on holidays or vacations sexual vacations lifestyle vacations for us i mean in asia we're so close to other places sometimes we'll just even uh you know skip over to another country to go on a date so look you can do it within your own financial limits um and always if you're going to think about going on some of those um vacations or lifestyle events just plan in advance you know i mean you've got to treat it as a holiday you just treat it smart you know you book your hotels in advance you book your flights in advance you take advantage of some savings or sales that might be going on yeah use your points i mean but i mean yeah trips to trips to the u.s you know we've done we did desire we did uh mexico sorry desire rivier meyer and we also did not in new orleans all at the same time now that was probably not the smartest way to do it however the flight costs for us from australia because we're in australia then are quite high so and also the time lost you know we lose 24 hours each way basically in flying it makes it almost a requirement that you're going to have to do something a bit more than one of those locations so you may have a holiday leading up to it then a then a swinging holiday do you research look for sales yeah and if you've got any questions send us a message because i mean i enjoy booking travel and what i do is actually i look for things that throw in additional things like if you've got you know a hotel that then throws in a free transfer we save money on the transfer yeah so yeah and that's if you want to go down that path yeah but the international stuff can be hideously expensive.

Only... money on the transfer yeah sorry yeah and that's if you want to go down that path yeah but the international stuff can be hideously expensive only because of the travel distance from Asia or from from Australia to typically the US or Europe which is whether them or Jamaica which is where the majority of the the parties are or, you know, sex positive resorts are all in those locations.

So, you know, I'm going to say if you're looking from Australia or from Asia to go to Mexico or to any of the other, I'm just going to say all of the swing of positive resorts, you're looking at investing probably 15 to 20 grand. You can do it cheaper, but I understand where you're going with that. Yeah, but that's – I'm giving a midline value. You can spend a lot more than that. You can spend a lot less than that. But it really depends on – again, you're going to travel up there. You're going to not just spend one week at the resort.

You might stay there for two weeks or you might choose to have a week holiday, one end or whatever. So it can get very expensive. Just try to be smart. Like she said, do it early. And also just do whatever you do within the lifestyle is to your budget. Yes, of course.

And I would also just want to say don't probably want to balance those things out too like for us you know we want to have dates with each other out as well as dates with other couples out if you're spending all of your money doing just dates with other couples maybe you're not really looking after your relationship at some point yeah you do need to and a date i'm not saying go out to dinner every time you have a date a A date may just simply be a picnic. It might be actually even something as simple as a bag of chips in front of your favorite movie. It really depends on what you want.

Last question of the night. How much time do you spend in either researching new playmates or clubs or events or correspondence with others? Okay, this is a really good question. Did you add this question? No, this is actually also from Mr. T. From Mr. T? Okay. So, I'm going to say C spends a lot less time than I do. But that's changed. I used to spend more time. You did. But now I spend the majority of the time dealing with... How many hours a week do you think?

I would say that I would would spend I'm going to say probably eight hours a week is that just on I mean that's got nothing to do with swinging down under but is that just on that's so now keep it keep in mind we're on the upward curve here of of meeting people as well so I'm on we're on multiple sites we're on multiple um platforms in terms of you know apps and things like that so i'm juggling a lot of things trying to meet trying to identify a lot of people additionally you know we've got some really good friends we've met through the lifestyle and if we want to include those guys as well you know which which i would We spend sometimes hours talking to them via Skype or via text or whatever.

You know, in some cases, we're having multiple text conversations with multiple couples, and both of us are sitting there doing that, you know. But we enjoy that stuff as well. None of this is a burden, I think, is probably the most important part to take away from this.

i would say we probably invest eight hours into i would invest eight hours into finding new people vetting um talking to culling talking to friends uh actually dating well no i mean dating's on top of that you know i would say we again because most of the time you catch up for a date you're going to spend three or four hours with somebody probably so you know it's yeah there is an investment in time but again this is probably stepping right back to the one of the very first questions we um we didn't ever think that this would become such a huge part of our life But it has, and it has because of the people.

Good answer. that this would become such a huge part of our life but it has and it has because of the people good answer you know we there are there are people in our um in our circle now swinger friends swinger couples who i can honestly put my hand up and say that i love those guys now i'm not saying that there's any form of polyamory at all it's's just more that we're invested in... Your life is enriched by the fact that they're in it. By the fact that they're around. So when you have to... There's a lot of chaff. Please understand.

You do a lot of digging through chaff to find the good seeds. But when you find them, they make it all worthwhile. Yeah, that's a good answer, actually.

Before we go, if I can indulge for just just a minute i just want to talk about the community go i i've said go a lot tonight have you yeah like my fourth time and break um there are you know for anyone out there who's either in the lifestyle thinking about joining it fairly new in it um is maybe just interested in in learning about it Maybe you don't even want to be part of it, but you're listening to this podcast because you want to learn something new in your life. There are many different facets of the lifestyle and there are many different people within the lifestyle.

There are some people that are in the lifestyle and the couples go off and have sex with whomever, whenever, and they're nameless, faceless people. There's couples that only play together. There's couples that play together only in the same room. There's business people. And by I mean, there's people making money out of this. There's people who do this for fun. Again, it's a pure cross-section.

Everything you understand of everyday life, there is a cross-section of those people in swinging and then there's i mean our subset of the lifestyle or what we perceive ourselves to be is that socio-sexual swinger where we enjoy meeting people that we are going to have a connection with it's not polyamory it's just that we really enjoy meeting and spending time with these people and then if we get to play with them awesome yeah long-term relation long-term friendships that um potentially we play with yeah and so that's i mean i just want to i just wanted to throw that out there so anyone thinking about joining i would say that it is a very inclusive community you can just be someone who wants to come in have sex blindfolded with an orgy not know anyone's name and just you know add another little you know notch to your notepad um or you may be people that are like us and they want to enjoy everyone's company and just form that next level relationship but also at the same time yes we do have crazy hot sex with people yeah we really really do and it is an inclusive community so i just want to throw that out there that i know i sound like i'm you know all loving daisies but everyone is different and can we just a unicorn just ran up the rainbow yeah you know just i think we just we need to be accepting of everyone yeah absolutely acceptance acceptance of of everyone you know, I think we just need to be accepting of everyone.

Yeah, absolutely. Acceptance of everyone. You know, there's so many different aspects of this lifestyle and that's what keeps it interesting, I think. Certainly for me is some of the people we've met along the way who are, you know, I would have considered so left of field from what I'm used to, you know, in my sexual life or even in my friendship base.

they're so left to field from what i'm used to you know in my sexual life or even in my um my friendship base they're so left of field and then all of a sudden you know you get you get to meet these people you get to hear their opinions they may not have the same opinions as you but you get to understand them and then all of a sudden it's like well actually i really like this person even though they have totally different opinions and you learn something new i mean we i remember the first time We had a polyamory couple and we were like wait what yeah how does they even we're like how does that work tell us everything sit down shut up just talk to us um and then the first time we met another couple that were like yep we barely get names we never sleep with the same people twice and we've slept with other 400 people in the last year and you're like wow yeah and i mean again different yeah very different we we would have thought that that initially i think coming into this we would have initially thought well that's we're not okay with that but the amazing thing is is because it's such a broad spread in swinging you very quickly realize well actually look we accept everybody's into their own thing whatever floats your boat we're probably not going to sleep with those people but yeah maybe not maybe we will because maybe we like them it just yeah it comes down to the individual yeah so that's what i just want to close with it is an accepting community and and it is what we make it and we are the people that make it that way so everybody out there listening next time you meet someone and you think god that's a little bit different to the way that i do things ask some questions about some questions learn a little bit make a friend and just accept them for who they are or just educate yourself and realize that it's not something you're into yep either or you know uh yeah that's i think is a good point for us to sign off it is it is, for listening.

Hopefully, we've managed to answer the questions to the best of our ability. Thanks for hanging in there. Yeah, and certainly, before we do sign off, I'd like to say, anybody out there, if you've got any questions, queries about any aspect of the lifestyle, you know, we're happy to lend an ear. We may not be the experts in the field, but we're happy to lend an ear. We're happy to give you a response that we believe is reasonably balanced. Or share our stories. Or share our stories. Because that's all we're doing.

I mean, you know, even talking to Wine and Fun Times and Sexy Married Secrets on Twitter, you know, we're just sharing a little bit about who we are and what we've experienced, rightly or wrongly. That's just what we've been through. Yep, absolutely. And everyone's different. And that's the beautiful thing about it. Oh, been through. Yep, absolutely. And everyone's different, and that's the beautiful thing about it. Oh. I know. I'm just wiping my eyes. Are you, darling? Yeah, I'm just totally. That's so sweet. I know. Okay. Thanks, everyone, and this is C. And this is D.

And this is Swinging Down Under.