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Ensuring Success at Swingers Lifestyle Events, you've picked the event you're going to, booked your ticket.. now what
Today's episode is all about how you can get the most out of the swingers event that you're attending. We give you over 10 tips on how to ensure success at Swingers Lifestyle events.
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Swingers Lifestyle Events
Are a great way to meet a lot of likeminded people in a short time frame BUT with a lot of people, with drinks and shyness comes nerves and you don't want to leave the event feeling disheartened or like you've let yourself or your partner down.
We are giving you our TOP 10 tips for ensuring success at swingers lifestyle events so get your paper and pen ready and let's get into the fun.
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You're listening to the Wanderlust Swingers Podcast with Aussie hosts, Kate and Daryl. If you're curious about exploring your sexuality or the swinging, hot-wifing and non-monogamous lifestyle, you've definitely come to the right podcast. Or maybe you just love travel adventures. Either way, we share our personal, sometimes juicy, sexy stories as well as Swingers Club and event reviews, interviews with other sassy people, and of course, our global swinging adventures. We try to bring you a look into the diverse lifestyle that the swinging and non-monogamous community has. We hope you enjoy.
Now let's get into the episode. G'day and welcome to the Wanderlust Swingers Podcast. This is episode 163. And this episode is all about how to have the most success at swingers lifestyle events, which is extremely important. As you know, you spend the time, you spend the money, and you want to have the best possible experience that you can have at a swingers lifestyle event. That's what this episode is all about. We're going to give you over 10 tip to making sure that you've got the most success at these events.
Now, this episode originally appeared and was recorded for the bed hoppers podcast. They had me on their show as a guest, but after the editing process and listening to this, I thought that it was so valuable that I wanted to share it as well on our podcast.
So it a republishing of an episode that we recorded and i was interviewed for but honestly the information contained within this episode i thought was so valuable that i wanted to make sure that we had as many people listening as possible and so we thought why not publish it on our podcast as well so you're going to hear over 10 tips to making sure that you're getting the most out of your lifestyle events but we would always love to hear from you if you have anything else to add if you've got any tips tricks that you want us to put on our social media or add to a future episode please don't hesitate to reach out to us on twitter or on email we would absolutely love to hear from you but otherwise let's get cracking let's get into the episode and i really hope that you find something valuable in here and as always have fun at any of the lifestyle events that you're going to my name is mr h and this is today we have a very very special guest with us the delightful kate from wonderless swingers we've brought her on board to talk about making the most of events welcome kate yeah guys how you doing all the better for seeing you of course me in my hoodie in my frozen office on my third floor delightful well you've given the game away now i mean i was gonna say that you're looking radiant and you're wearing a wonderful dress and we've never seen you look better i know how did i get my uh my curls that amazing and you know my symmetrical uh wings and everything else no no it's not true hoodie i am wearing a shirt though which we were quite interested to find out a little bit earlier uh as we're sat here But, yeah, really excited to be on the show.
Thanks for inviting me. You're welcome. Now, I'm interested. You said you had wings on. I was actually just going to ask you the same. Eyeliner. Like eyeliner wings. Oh, okay. In my head, it was like a pair of angel wings. Fun fact, I can't do wings. I can't either. I actually bought a new pen, and I've been trying every second day, and it's going disastrous.
So, yeah, I've never never tried i'm not going to um i'll just get someone else to do them for me if i ever need them you're really good at drawing may i suggest you learn how to do it okay shall i start practicing like put it on my ipad and just drawing over photos they're all perfect wings i think you'll be flying without wings oh okay thank you so the reason as i said that we've brought kate with brought kate along with us today it's not makeup tips although they may come in useful because we've got an event coming up that we're working on together we've got the red heart party and we wanted to talk a little bit about making the vote most of events so you know how do you prep for them how do you go in with a really positive attitude and how do you literally get your best bang for the buck from going to an event yeah how do you avoid just sitting in the corner wishing you've mingled more it's true it's true we spend so much time and money and we get excited and everything else and then if we aren't i think intentional with our actions then we do walk away going well that was i'm i have regrets you know back in 2016 i remember us going to these massive events we spent so much money we've been saving for like a year and a half and i walked away going well shit and now i'm not going to get that opportunity again for another couple of years so you know it's true man and i think you know like you say you prep for so long they they seem to be on the horizon for ages these events and you're kind of building up this giddy excitement and we've done it we've absolutely are really guilty of doing that and especially in our earlier days and that we'd go to a club or an event and just sit in the corner together and i think that's you know and then we come away going well we could have just come home and had sex really rather than going to it still you can get all hyped up and all excited for this event and you're like yeah it's gonna be.
And then you ruin it by getting like completely spangled and just like can't remember any of it. Or you just go and fall asleep in the bathroom, speaking from experience. Well, we've certainly covered that a number of times. Don't drink too much because you're nervous. So there is a bravado to it, I think. You know, a couple of drinks is fine. But I think if you are worried and nervous, probably drinking is not the solution to that. And we can certainly say that from a level of experience, right? so I think, you know, a couple of drinks is fine.
But I think if you are worried and nervous, probably drinking is not the solution to that. And we can certainly say that from a level of experience, right? So I think rather than go down a route of what you shouldn't do before you go to an event. Here's all the times that we have fucked up. You are welcome. Yes. You know, we've made an entire podcast career of that particular line.
But looking at things positively, how do you, Kate, prepare for an event what's your your ritual to go through before you get there well the first thing i think is once you've chosen the event you know choosing events the first big thing but say say for argument's sake you've chosen your event you know it's going to be the right event for you and the way that you approach the lifestyle uh if you're aware of that yet or maybe you're brand new and you've got no idea but some of the things that I do now is I start to think about what do I actually want to get out of the event.
I think those are the big first things for me. What do I want to get out of the event? Because then I can sort of start to frame that in my own mind. But better yet, I can actually share that with if you have a partner, if you're in a couple situation, you can share that with your partner as well. And the reason that I do that is to have some level, I guess, of responsibility. I want them to hold me a little bit accountable. And these don't need to be really grand things like, well, they can be, it's up to you, but like, you know, I want to have jizzle over my face.
It can be something as simple as, look, I'm actually quite an introverted person and I just want to try and have a conversation with three new people because that's a really big step for me. Or maybe I want to take my top off because that's a really big step for me.
So can be something like that and so when you start thinking about what do i want to get out of this event share it with your partner they can in a very non-pushy but more you know helpful way kind of hold you accountable to that so that's some of the things that i do before i even think about anything else like costumes or etc i think about what do i want to get out of the event that's a really strong bit of advice and i think we we did a very similar thing i remember going to a social event earlier on in our sort of career for want of a better phrase and i remember us talking about like you know we're not going to sit in the corner we are going to go and we're going to speak to five different people and we've got to do that this time around and we've got to push the boat out and do that and then then we started talking about well actually how do you do that how what how are we going to just go up and have conversations with people we don't know because i think we were very out of practice of doing out of doing that you know we kind of had our circle of friends and it was obviously easy to chat to your friends and your relatives or whatever but but actually how do you introduce yourselves to new people comfort zones and all that it's really hard sometimes to get yourself out of that you know you've got each other and you get your real estate and your little nook and you're like yes i've got a seat i'm not gonna leave this seat all night because i don't want to stand in heels or whatever but then you you find yourself just like stuck there i honest i honestly think it has to just be a point where you just throw yourself into the pit and almost throw yourself into their line of vision or their circle or whatever what daryl and i have found quite helpful especially on nights when some some nights you'll go to an event and maybe you or your partner feeling particularly energetic that night or charismatic or whatever so if that's the case and one of you is feeling a little bit more charismatic then allow that person to take the lead but in some circumstances where daryl and i go and we're like oh we're both a little bit nervous so we're both a little bit unsure we actually tagged him we're interns.
So I'll go and introduce myself or us to one person or a couple and then next time it'll be like, hey, it's your turn now, like kind of moving those energy bars along. So again, really, if you are in a partner situation, utilising your partner as truly your wingman and trying to feed off each other's energy as best you can, but you've just got to throw yourself into it.
It sucks, it's going to be uncomfortable, but it'll pay out in dividends at the end of it when you realize you've actually done something that you set your mind to i'm a big fan of having um like a task that we set ourselves or a means of getting into the conversation so this particular event i remember the way in which we introduced ourselves to people was actually we we gained control at this event of the jukebox i don't know why anyone would let me near a jukebox kate is shaking her head in sadness here and stepping well true story true story but it gave us an in to talk to people to say hey we've got control of the jukebox what song would you like us to play for you and actually that was a really good way of just opening up conversations and we met people through doing that that we still talk to many many years later the other thing that I really like doing as well to sort of get into that conversation is to just offer people a compliment.
I really love your dress. I really love your shirt or your shoes are great. And normally that just gives you that open to have a regular, normal human being conversation. And often that's the first step. Once you're involved in that, it's not too bad.
But that sort of hurdle, I find, is often having that first few you know picking up on what kate said about uh she really wants to get jizz on her face i think that'd be a really good conversation starter but you've got a little something on your on your nose oh it's all the jizz i had on my face from earlier thanks for noticing it really makes my shin sky my shin sky makes my skin shine the other thing mr h bet what you just said about paying people compliments, to flip that around, I would also say, especially if it comes to costumes or a theme, make it easy for other people to pay you compliments or talk about your outfit.
Do them a favor. So if it's a costume or it's something like that, wear something that's going to be unique.
Maybe it's going to inspire a conversation because by doing so, you're actually helping out the other people to come over and approach you as well so it's a talking point for you but you're actually you're actually helping everybody else out that's something i have said there for years you know we i remember the first time i went to desire and i got daryl a really interactive costume and it was just the best for us because it actually helped us get out of our shells a little bit more so than what we would have if we were just wearing like a normal costume from the costume store i mean great you're going to encourage mr h now but he needs even more extravagant costumes i know i was Thank you.
shells a little bit um more so than what we would have if we were just wearing like a normal costume from the costume store i mean great you're going to encourage mr h now but he needs even more extravagant costumes i know i was just saying costume the entire time looking at mrs h going i hate costumes all right i don't hate costumes um i know i sometimes come across that way but what i do hate is when mr h decides that he doesn't need one costume no no no he needs like five and they have to be ridiculously huge ones that won't fit in a suitcase and involve at least three pairs of shoes and headdresses or something so it's just like yeah yeah okay but the flip side of that is each of those costumes generated a level of conversation and interaction with the people so they were all totally worth it probably definitely absolutely why are they so big because they're fun the other thing that i want to mention in terms of conversation starters is if you know sort of one or two people and and they know somebody else get them to introduce you use your connections and form even more friendships you know oh do you guys know them can you introduce me it's not it's not rocket science i know and i know for many people they'll be like why are you teaching me to suck eggs but actually we found that to be a really good way to sort of meet new people expand expand our friendship group and and just get to know other people that we wouldn't have spoken to before yeah and the other thing just before you even get to the party i mean talking about that introduction side of it as well what we generally tend to do is we do two things we put up a travel notice so if you're on a dating site that allows a travel notice even if you're traveling in your own city you can do this and you put up a travel notice saying that you're going to this event or if there's an event and you can register on or rsvp on the dating site do that as well because that's going to highlight other people to you and have you highlighted back to them so i always do that regardless of where we're going around the world regardless of whether it's in our own city i will rsvp and i'll set up a travel notice.
And the other thing too, is if there is some form of connection or chat or group or community for the event, you know, get stuck into that as well. If you have the time, because again, those kind of pay in dividends because by the time you get there, you probably see a friendly face and you can then feel more comfortable walking up to that person and then slowly expanding that circle.
If you know, you haven't been to this event before, you don't know a lot of a lot of people it's tricky balance i find because one of us me loves the group chats and likes to be part of that uh one of us not naming any names doesn't really enjoy that particularly i don't enjoy it i just don't have the time to devote to it as much as you do yep you'll find the same thing for daryl and i you won't find daryl in a chat is pretty pretty rare if you're using a as you two well know, actually, he kind of dips in and out, but it is a rarity to actually, I think one of, didn't one of our old chats actually say, holy shit, Daryl's in the chat was the group name of the chat.
Pretty much so I won't go off as a dog in the playground. You know, and that's just, that's the way that we operate as well. So it works well for him. He really likes that face to face. And if that's, again, if that's you, then crack on.
If you want to you want to try and make those connections beforehand you know those are the some of the tools that you can do that with right absolutely so we talked a little bit about prepping for the event i find that moment when you actually get to an event where this when the nerves become the greatest is when you're actually about to go in through the door and experience it yeah how do you cope with that mrs h well i'm normally desperate to get inside because i'm too cold waiting outside in the queue so i'm like get me in there now and then i want to go to the bathroom and fix my hair and my makeup so i'm actually like champing at the bit to get through the doors i don't actually experience the same level of nerves as you however you are very much more around the have we got everything we need have a ticket's right have we done everything in advance we need to so i understand it's like a level of um planning for you that makes you nervous sometimes so actually one of the things you should be very hot on is making sure you've done all that in advance so actually when you're there you can just be excited to get in i don't think kate will ever know the amount of times that i checked the tickets and the stuff so that we could go to the new year's eve party you were checking them whilst we were in the line at the club going holy fuck holy fuck is this right is this right i'm like it's a bit it's a bit fucking late now like if if we can't get in then hey we're going back to the room we've got three bottles of wine and a half a packet of chips and that's our evening not a bad evening to be fair i mean i wouldn't have a bad evening at all worse evenings i mean for me it's like once you're on a roller coaster and you're going about that slope and you're kind of like well i'm committed now i'm in i'm i can't i don't want to bail at this point because i've i've planned so much for this and let's assume that you've got all your stuff sorted you've got your tickets you've got your phone id ready whatever it is so you might as well just use that that kind of energy in a positive way while you're in the queue and be like what's the first thing you're gonna do we're gonna head to the bar first and get a drink or are we gonna go straight to a locker and grab somewhere we can stash all our belongings have a little bit of a game plan about what's what do you want to do you know or do we want to find a little space to sit down oh that is is that's a controversial move i think it's controversial but sometimes it's nice to gravitate to an area where you can just have five minutes of checking that you you're ready to dive into a crowd if that's what you're gonna do i like to go to a bathroom personally check my hair my makeup and make sure that i look good do a massive shit and then she comes out absolutely relieved chill to make didn't you?
No, I like to go in there and just touch up everything and make sure I'm good to go. Because I just feel that that settles my competence levels. You like to go into a club and touch up everything. Fine. I'm just replaying it back to you. You're being a saboteur. Yeah, I feel like you're like three smart-ass remarks away from losing Mrs. H on this episode. I always am. Yeah, it can be a double-edged sword. I see what you're saying about that seating area. But if you do know that you're someone who just needs to sit back and observe for a little while, then by all means do it.
But maybe what you can do is set yourself a timeline and say, hey, this is what I know I'm going to need. But instead of allowing myself to sit here for two hours or three hours and be a bit of a wallflower, again, if that's what you want to do at the event, fill your boots. But if you are wanting to get out there and meet people, then try to set yourself some sort of timeline as to, hey, how long are you going to sit there for? But I do enjoy the idea of a game plan. That sounds really good because, yeah, it's something that not a lot of people would think about.
And yeah, maybe those tensions or that excitement or that fear or the newness of it all could make you a bit deer in the headbite so when you get in the club you're like what do i do but if you have some sort of like i'm going to go straight to the bathroom straight to the bar i'm going to find the lockers straight away or i'm going to go talk to somebody and do a tour straight away like if you've got that in your mind already then it allows you to settle a little bit i think yeah agreed i think one of the things one of our mistakes that we've made is that we've gone in and we've just sat down and then we've become territorial over the real estate and i think setting yourself a time limit to to be in there and let's be fair you're not going to be in a club for hours and hours i mean if it's unlikely that you're going to be in there for more than five six hours really and that's a very long night so you could probably get away with standing up for some of that time yeah or at least a lot of people can so i think what we've what we've tended to do in the past is grab that seat and be like oh my god this is the best seat ever we've clearly got the best real estate and then just taking turns going to the bar and sitting there and just watching the world go by and as a result because you're in your little bubble you don't talk to anyone else no you just observe and the light passes you by by and just end up being like all right we just stay the whole night sitting down yeah and the same thing can happen if you're with people that you've met before friends like if you're going as a little mini group to an event you know when you're sitting down like that whilst it's a super like it's amazing fun time and you're with your mates and you've got this amazing environment around you and everything else but oftentimes our body language then is closing ourselves off to the possibility of meeting anybody so even if you are sitting there and people are like, oh, they look interesting, they're probably not going to come over because of the closed body language.
So if you are in that circumstance, one of the other tips for success, I guess, to make your event successful would be to be a bit mindful of that. How is your body language looking if you are sitting down in a group of people?
Maybe it's closed off and that's fine know you're not interested in in meeting anybody else but if you are legitimately trying to meet people be mindful of that because it's already nerve-wracking enough to walk up and strike up a conversation out of nothingness but it's more more difficult if people are looking a little bit closed off people are just not going to come over well it's an interesting one that you mentioned this because actually the last time we went to penthouse playrooms we went with secret stag and secret vixen and one of the things that the girls challenged the guys to do was just to get up and start a few conversations with people said all right we we bet you won't you know go up and chat to them and of course like you know like red bag to a bull as a challenge you know we're like oh well we can do that of course we'll do that um within two minutes of going out there we we'd found two other couples and we'd sat down at the table in fact so much so that sort of 15-20 minutes later the girls were kind of wondering where we'd gone because we were just sat there and had joined this bigger group just started another night anyway yeah an absolute night by ourselves but that was a really good way of actually kind of um going introducing ourselves and explaining our dynamics and having and starting that conversation really and then when you two came over we we were able to introduce and say, oh, here they are.
This is what we all do and all that kind of stuff. We sent you out as like little sentry drones. Little envoys, yeah. Just go and do the work and then let us know when it's time to come over. I mean, the other thing about all of this, too, is that this is all for naught if you're not setting yourself up for success before you even get there.
And what I mean by that is being hydrated and slept and rested and fed and all of this too is that this is all for naught if you're not setting yourself up for success before you even get there and what I mean by that is being hydrated and slept and rested and fed and all of those good things I know just like you know the things that you have to do on a day-to-day basis to stay alive as an adult those things they still do matter when you're going to an event but I think sometimes we just think we're just these energizer bunnies and it's like okay we haven't gone out clubbing for however long as a couple and now all of a sudden we're going to throw ourselves into the mix.
We're going to go to the club at 9, 10, 9 or 10 or 11 p.m. and then we're going to party until 3 and 4 in the morning. Bitch, you can't do that without preparation. So, you know, getting hydrated, getting enough rest and everything else before you get there, setting yourself up for success is something that I think we've all forgot to mention but is so, so important.
because I can tell you the number times around the world, Daryl, and I've gone to a club and we're like not really feeling it tonight and then I think, oh, that's because we're up at six and then we had this and then we did this and we did that and I'm like, so we're just knackered and we've come to the club like idiots, paid the money to get in here and gotten all jazzed up and now it's a waste, you know, because we're just so bloody tired or not interested in putting our energy out there and meeting people yeah i think we've definitely fallen foul of that we've just overdone it and then not enjoyed the night because there is something to do with pacing but also i would say that kate you are the hydration master never have i drunk so much water in my entire life as to when i've had an evening out with you she's always at your elbow with this glass of water and she like where the fuck did that come from it's another one yeah actually if you talk to jay and angie though they have a name for me in their household unfortunately because i'm doing the same thing to them all the time how much water have you had today it's a good tip though because it does it does reduce your your sort of ability to get drunk a little bit i suppose and also means that the hangover is far less painful the next day if you are going to have one so it's it's a good it's a good tip and eating i think is so important the amount of times we've just skipped eating and gone straight out and which is unusual because i hate skipping eating i know which yeah which means that you're more grumpy everyone gets to see hangry you and that's definitely not you at your best hangry me yeah and that's why we carry snacks around at all times that definitely helps i think there is something in that being prepared for the event as well so knowing kind of what you're going into and knowing what you need to bring so um you know if you are going to a place with wet facilities for example do you need to bring a towel you know are toys allowed do you want to bring your own toys obviously there's the prep around bringing your own condoms and lube and making sure that you've got a variety of those all this stuff kind of helps make your event much more successful because the last thing you want to be doing is rushing around trying to find all this stuff in the club to see if they sell it see if they've got it see if you can borrow a towel if they don't provide them automatically that really takes you away from any potential sexy time i find not that sexy time is the goal but if you're there and well if it is the goal and and you've not done that then you know you kind of up shit's creek without a paddle the other thing too is to honestly check the rules of the club because when daryl and i we said this on a podcast we went into london city and we're really excited and we turn up the club and daryl's looking pretty hot he's got his you know really nice dress shirt on and designer jeans.
And we get to the front of the club and the bouncer's like, no, no ripped jeans allowed as per the frequently asked questions, as per, you know, dress requirements on which are clearly labelled on the website. And I was like, yeah, my bad. So with those preparation pieces, you know, I would also check what's on the website for information, you know. Is the bar BYU, like we said before, or is it purchase your own drinks?
drinks do they have wet facilities do you need an identification to check in do they have lockers all of those sorts of things i think are super important uh to make sure that you're actually even going to get into the event to start with it's it's really valuable advice and i remember speaking to you folks uh just after that and it was definitely an interesting occasion unfortunately you were close enough to be able to get changed and come back to it which was thank god because if we'd have lived further away like if we'd have gotten in there it was like an hour two drive or an hour train ride or whatever and we didn't have alternative things like that would have just been a bloody disaster and that was a rookie error let me tell you well i i'm pleased to say we i'm not pleased but we nearly made that that error ourselves and we drove up to vanilla alternative and um three quarters the way there i turned to mrs h she said you put my shirt in the car yes the one thing that she needed to do and there was this look that said that i would definitely be driving to a supermarket at eight o'clock on a saturday evening in an attempt to find a shirt that i could wear for the club that night is that fair is that is that fair i mean sure i'm not responsible to pack your clothes but on this occasion yes i did forget to pack his shirt and my god he didn't let me forget it but it is important to get your outfit right and the outfit isn't an essential part of the evening i think oh it can make or break an evening for me i think if i'm uncomfortable because i't chosen wisely, then you just spend all night messing around with it and wishing you hadn't worn it.
Yeah, and fidgeting and stuff like that. I remember because in the chat group for our event, we were recently talking about, and it was one of the ladies who said, single lady, if I'm not wrong, what should I wear? And a bunch of people chimed in and said this or this or this. And some people rightly said, you know, what makes you comfortable?
What do you feel sexy in feel sexy in and you know i did make the point that you can tell when someone's uncomfortable in an outfit if something isn't sitting right on you you feel like it's sticking to you or it's showing lumpy bumpy bits and parts that you don't want to show or you know it's too tight or it's too short or you're sitting down and it's too tighter in your thighs or whatever you can see that person actively fidgeting and you know they're not really paying attention to what you're saying because the entire time that you're talking at them, all they're thinking about is, geez, I'm uncomfortable, you know, and so getting the outfit right, I know it seems like such a small thing, but it is actually so imperative to having a good night, unless you're one of those people that just doesn't think about these things.
And then my name's Kate, my email is this, and please, please help help me one of the tips that i've i've sort of observed i guess rather than than been part of i think is that we've been to a number of events where people have their own business cards and often this is events get guilty i've done this before well i think this is a good tip and i think you know we kind of we we have our show business cards which is a way to get in touch with this. But it's fairly easy to remember the name or whatever for us. So I don't think we struggle too much.
Bed Notches, the most popular podcast in the UK. It's Belt Notches. Oh, sorry. Bed Knobbers. Bed Knobbers. Bed Wankers. It's probably close to the truth. But I've seen people just take a number of business cards, especially when they've heard of people doing that on the cruises and at bigger events where there's lots of rooms or a takeover. And it's a really good way of staying in touch with people that write their room number on it or whatever. But often when you're in a club, it's really hard sometimes to hear. It's really hard. You don't have your phone with you often.
You can't really write down people's details.
And it can be difficult to get in touch touch with other people so i've seen people take along a business card so that they can go there you go we'd love to speak to you in whatever environment or we'd love to keep in touch here's our information i i love that takes the sort of just like the amount of times we have met people and we've been like what was their name again and they're like secret couple 23 19 a b exclamation mark and you're like fucking hell are they the exclamation mark ones are they ones without the exclamation and is it the right ones and you can't see the profile photo and yeah you know this sort of thing is really really helpful to have there and you could do the cheap version and just write it down on a post-it note i suppose and there you go this is us but it's less cool if you can flip out a business card sort of or the upspec version and create your own qr code that goes to like a separate website uh you know that that could also be an option if you're on upspec it's controversial i'm not a fan of the business card are you not i'm not we had them before years and years ago because we were listening to podcasts and podcasts back in 2015 were like you have to have a business card everybody has to if you don't have one you're an idiot and we And we went along to an event in the US and I was like, oh my God, rent business cards.
And at the time, I think the minimum you could get was 250 of the things, which is just, who's handing these out? Did you give one to everybody? Yeah. So like the coffee guy was like, the barista was like, I don't actually need your business card. Thank you, lady.
But it was a bit strange to me because for me, I think that once you're making that connection it's almost like okay and on to the next and like here's my card that's one way it can happen and so you're like well hold on a second we're still in the middle of a conversation well the other thing is that most of the time people aren't public and so therefore their photos are not on their business card and so if you can't remember that someone's name is John and Jill how the hell if you get 10 of these plain Jane business cards with these random screen names on it how are you going to remember who's who you know and i remember walking away from that event and we did we collected about 20 odd business cards fun fact i found them about two years ago and we're moving here and threw them in the bin um but i had no idea who was who because they didn't have any photos or identification methods on them whatsoever so although they were like here's our kick and here's our this and here's our that i had them in my pocket because again i got given 20 of them thank god i actually had pockets because if you're a woman where are you going to put this bloody card um and we just walked away going oh i don't understand the the intention here i can understand if we're like i know people do it on the cruises and the big events in a club situation it seems a bit strange and foreign to me so i i don't know we'd be i think we're uh agreed to disagree on that one mr h i think it has its place occasionally i would say that if but you're right if everyone brought a card then it would be impossible to tell everybody unless unless you write notes and you're like writing on the card as they give it to you the small dude with beard lady red sparkly shoes exactly you know talked about star wars for half an hour there we go and you know i i can absolutely see it being a pain in the ass but it is a tough one and I think that's why I mean let's take the big events up let's take the three four five six thousand people events out of this equation because that's just bloody too hard anyway but say it isn't a club event or it's a small takeover or something like that and there is a chat function or a community function that's where you kind of quickly want to make those connections I think that's the easiest way to do it because trying to remember names is a nightmare oftentimes you won't have your phone in the club as you said before because that most clubs have a no phone policy and so you know as soon as you get out of there like you're in that chat group and you can kind of try to make those connections as quickly as possible and then you can take it offline to a different chat that's really the only way i can think that is logical but it's also a minefield i don't know mind you i think you did at one point send us about 50 of your business cards i'm sure we've got a ton of them kicking around somewhere you probably do i'd probably like here you have some business cards guys funny size they were too square to fit in my purse but not quite wide enough to fit in a different pocket i was like why are these such a funny size but you know what's funny we gave hundreds of those well not hundreds but loads of them away to different friends like here you go have one of these these guys and you know i think that was actually version two that was version two of our card that actually had our faces on it because i after the first event got jack of not knowing and then i was like okay here's our face here's our pictures so you guys can clearly remember who we are and uh and then yeah i had to order like 250 of those things and clearly i just gave you guys a bunch because i was like well either that or i can build a house out of them so Ha ha to the next level because we've kind of spoken about like in the lead up to the event once you get in there what to do setting your expectations or your intentions i mean what's how do we how do we move to the next step guys how do we how do we make this happen if my intention is to walk in there i'm like i would like to play with somebody that i find interesting what's the next step very good question mrs h okay all right so let's assume then that we've we've managed to get out of our little real estate corner we didn't sit there all night we've mingled and we have made a connection with a couple is this is this the or is this what was happening yeah yeah well i would hope you put some effort into there somewhere in the middle of that with flirting and such um well let's let's talk about the flirting bit like how the fuck do we flirt like because fuck knows why are you asking me honestly fuck, this is an interesting one, okay?
Because I know that you and I, Mr. H, don't tend to gravitate to a dance floor, okay? Yes, I was about to bring out the dance floor thing. Yeah, and I know, Kate, you do like a bit of a dance, which is cool. So, interestingly, we had this conversation, like we and Mr. H, going back a few weeks.
It's not that we don't like dancing we do however if i'm gonna dance on a dance floor it's because i want to do some proper like 80s music cheesy dancing whatever i want to be there for the duration and i'm not really using it as a connection sexually i'm doing as a i want to have a right good laugh and i want to be you're here party yeah yeah i don't i don't use it as a sexual chemistry connection in any way my my want of connecting with someone is normally a slightly more cerebral approach for me i like talking i really enjoy the connection talking to someone um striking up some banter some chat finding some common ground i find it difficult sometimes in a club to do that because yeah the noise levels always mess So, thank you very much.
striking up some banter some chat finding some common ground i find it difficult sometimes in a club to do that because yeah the noise levels always mess with me now i don't think i'm deaf particularly but i do struggle to hear in a club very often and if there's dancing happening or at least very close by to me i really really struggle and i have to move somewhere a little bit quieter which is why i tend to favor that kind of finding a seat a little bit further away from a dance area because that's where i need to make my connection now i appreciate that's not for everyone and some people really love to get on the dance floor and dance with someone that they find attractive and maybe make that connection that way so i know if it was us like trying to do that i think we'd probably favor the let's chat because that's kind of where our comfort zone lies tends to be well there is a there is a theory that you play to your strengths and my my strengths is certainly not dancing in in any way that is sexy however you know for me it's about not to say it's a strength but the conversation the sort of leading that that conversation and and just kind of finding out more about people is kind of where I feel most comfortable.
Although I don't know that I'm flirting. And you say that I'm flirting all the time, but I am not cognizant that I'm doing it whatsoever. That's pretty good at it then if you don't actually know you're doing it. And yet I find it to be quite flirtatious.
So maybe that's a good thing because it's not false and it's not forced or anything you know you're naturally flirtatious maybe when you when you like someone it will come across in your flirty conversation i don't know you've accused me of being flirtatious with everybody and you've accused me of being various sets of teases insert appendage here um like you've accused me of being a cock tease and a muff tease and God knows what else. Just because I'm chatting to people and I'm enjoying that conversation. So it's a tricky balance, I think.
And I don't think I naturally slip into a flirty movement if such a thing occurs. Do you talk like that to everyone there, maybe? Yeah, maybe. That's probably where I'm going wrong.
even resources keep calling him in and he doesn't understand what's happening i don't he keeps getting red carded for me it really depends on the environment it depends on the the club my mood it's a whole host of things if it's if i would say if it was just daryl and i we didn't know anyone at the club we didn't have any previous connections without the birthday with friends i would say that and it was a club where it had mingle and dance floor opportunities. Because another thing too is that you've got to remember the way that different clubs are laid out.
Not every club affords itself a big mingle area or a big dance floor. Maybe you've got one or the other or whatever. So it does depend on all of those things. But if I'm just going to say run of the mill, normal club, Daryl and I don't know anyone, our general thing is we will start talking to a couple and start floating or talking there. And then we will move to the dance floor. And that is the lubricant almost to then moving to the playroom. So that's the general way we do things. So we'll make that cerebral connection. We'll see if we actually have any kind of connection.
If we like them as people, the rest of it, then we'll dance with them. Then we'll move to the playroom.
That's how we would generally do it on an average night at a club it's a little bit different if we know people because you know then that kind of shapes the way you may just go from talking and laughing and having a drink to like let's go to the tantrum room you know those sorts of things so it really does it depends on the event for me the style and and who we're there with i think is is the biggest one but i would say what we've just all said is pretty different so maybe that's a good thing talking point for your partner for you what makes you feel comfortable i mean like someone may not feel even remotely comfortable like attempting to dance and flirt and you know the two things maybe don't ever become compatible for some people whereas others probably like oh fuck i don't know how to make conversation let's just go and let the music do it for us and you know that yeah exactly so cool i think it's just what do you want to do with that person and what vibes are you getting from them and if they're like hey do you want to come dance actually even if you're not like 100 into dancing you might be like well they're asking me so let's try it i think there is there's definitely something about reading the room i remember going to a club with a couple and chatting to them for forever and a day and and the more we chatted to them the less interested i i became in them oh yeah and um and then at the end of that and it was really clear well to me that the body language wasn't there we weren't even by my standards i wasn't flirting and i was becoming more and more withdrawn and and then they were like oh should we go in the playroom then and i was like at what point maybe half an hour ago but you know then you started talking about kicking penguins into the ocean and i'm out i checked out it would have been yeah probably two hours before but and and genuinely we sort of we had gone to the to the club with them uh or not with them but sort of alongside them i suppose and and i think it's about reading the room and understanding or kind of getting a feel for how people are interacting with you.
And I think you can normally tell if someone is into you, even I'm getting slightly better at that. But that can take practice. Sometimes, you know, the winningest people just make out with each other. The winningest people definitely make the moves in the dining area. It is a good, I mean, talking about the winningest people, which are the most awesome of the people. Yes. Winningest people.
Talk people um talk about that i mean sometimes it's just good to if you want to make that next step is to just say can i kiss you i think that's a really simple i think we overcomplicate matters oftentimes and to me that's a very simple way to start gauging can you move things to the next level you know is is can i can i kiss you i'd really like to kiss you if you don't want to say can i kiss you you can, I'd really like to kiss you or would you like to kiss me or things like that. You know, you can phrase it however you want to, however it's going to make you comfortable.
I think that's such an easy way to transition and I don't think we give it enough merit just generally. I have heard that you are the best at kissing and I would like to sample those delights. How do you feel about that?
I mean, that seems slightly over the top, but hey, you do do you and that's what i end up doing most of the time because of that approach 23 years he's been saying that to me now and it still works has to announce it when he wants to kiss me but there is that i can i like that level of honesty and openness and i think the important thing for this is is that someone can can obviously say no and they can say yes but you'll never know unless you ask and we've talked about this a lot of times. And it's sometimes, you know, I'd rather someone said no and we got that painful rejection bit.
And it may not be that painful, but just that bit over with. And then, you know, we stand if you want to find somebody else you can do. If you want to throw a smoke bomb down and disappear, you can do.
But I'd rather know and understand where I stood in in that situation and likewise if someone's sort of you know throwing themselves at me not this ever happened i'd rather be able to say no thank you if i'm not interested and appreciate that they'll accept that answer yeah yeah and i think so all of these things really add up to how to have a successful event but something we really and we spoke about having your intentions there but what we haven't really spoken about is how to make sure that during the evening you're still going to having a good time do you guys do any kind of like mid-event check-ins or maybe did you do that in the past you don't do it anymore like how do we make sure that you know as a single as well i don't want to discount singles here because you do need to check in with yourself like are you pushing yourself too far are you making yourself uncomfortably going over what your boundaries are so you know i don't want to discount singles here but obviously as a couple unit we tend to check in a little bit more with each other so do you still do that do you recommend it to people what are your thoughts on kind of that mid-event check-in to make sure you know we are still having a successful event or you know we set intentions and I wanted you to hold me accountable and we still haven't spoken to those three people that we said we were going to do so do you do that we we do we i think initially we what we tended to do was take ourselves away from the environment or as far away from the environment as we could and have a bit of a conversation particularly if someone was asking us a question about whether we were interested or not and we'd say oh we're going to put the shutters down and go over there and just chat for a few minutes and then try and work out where we're at with things probably not the most enthusiastic response that they were looking for but probably right for us in our earlier days since that point i think we've become much much better at sort of understanding where we're at with each other and i think we it's much more a sort of a hug and a kiss and just just to kind of you're right and and you're right okay that's cool i think there's been enough times when it's gone wrong and we've not enjoyed it that i think we're more at a phase now where we'd say if it wasn't going right i would agree um i'm universally terrible at asking you every two minutes if you're okay to the point where it becomes really irksome to you but i genuinely do because i don't want to fuck something up i miss that miss a trick somewhere so i'm always always i was asking mr h are you okay like i just like i just like the confirmation that he's fine well this is true but i think that's very true of sober you mildly inebriated you drunk mrs h gives less fucks and that's been an interesting thing that we've had to to navigate yeah i can be a bit of a jerk when i'm drunk, but I've got so much better, I think, at navigating.
At drinking more. No, I was going to say I'm a lot better now at managing my sobriety a little bit and not being such a jackass. So we've found a bit more of a happy medium of things. And I like to think that I still check in and give you a kiss and a hug, you know, now and then say, you're all right, you're enjoying yourself, is everything good?
So I'm thinking of one particular instance that we talked about on the podcast quite recently where that didn't where that didn't happen and it all spiraled out of control so i think you know as much as you know you kind of think yeah we're growing and as much as we think yeah i think we're getting better at it don't think for one moment gentle listener that that it doesn't go astray every now and then and we don't have to recheck in and relearn those basics because it it does and i think often you you can get into a cocksure space with this this whole experience you can go yeah we've got this nailed down we've been around the block a few times and we've we've done a few events now and we're comfortable and confident and then we kind of forget to do the basics like the checking in and making sure that we're okay and that everyone's comfortable and that's where we fuck it up again so so for me it's it's about just having those sense checks in place just to make sure that everyone's on the same page yeah agreed so so your your pro check-in is what you're saying definitely you would recommend it to everyone 100 i think okay and do you think it do you think it requires to take that next level like do you think that it requires a conversation or because i know again when we first started this journey there was a you know there's a lot of people back then were saying like have hand signals you know and we'll have like a secret word or whatever um and and i remember at the time i think we were like oh shit that's what people are telling us we have to do so like daryl we have to have like this hand gesture and we have to have these secret words and then i forgot it after it had two wines um it was like three pats on the leg if everything's going great but like five if it's going bad do you so we think it's necessary but do you think it needs to be a conversation or can it be something a little bit more simple i think i don't think it needs to be a long conversation we we tried the like you tried that we had that that same advice i think we probably listened to the same things and and watched the same things and we went in with some hand signals and you mrs h just ignored them and and it just yeah and just completely forgot about it and did her own thing so and leading to actually one of our um worst meets ever however i think i think there is something to be said for just checking in even if that's a you okay you're comfortable that might be all you need to check in and i think you know because if you're not then you probably need to step away from the situation just to have a bit of a conversation to work it through i think the whole you know do doing the the animal sounds or the hand maneuvers or the secret handshake whatever in the heat of the moment that kind of goes out the window you might as well just be honest and open and say i'm not quite there i need to can we just have a quick moment to chat and and work this out or if you're good just just be enthusiastic about being good there's nothing worse than someone not really saying anything and it's very true of consent you know you want someone to be happy and interested and looking forward to the experience and if your partner's not showing those signs i think there's probably something where you need to step away and kind of check that again i would agree i think it's probably more detrimental if you don't do any check-in at all and then you go and do something that can't be undone because then that builds lead to but you as an adult one of the things we have found definitely is that if you're not feeling right you have a responsibility to tell your partner if you've got a partner if you're if you're a singleton then then you have a responsibility to yourself to if you can step away from that situation and either find a friend if you can or if you need to talk to security or the bar staff or depending on what it is or you might just need to take a moment to yourself you might need to pop to the loo and just just have a moment to think through what's going on and be comfortable with things you shouldn't ever do anything that that upsets you or puts you in harm's way or that you don't feel comfortable with i think it's um it's not someone else's responsibility to completely be an adult for you you do need to have some level of accountability and recognize it if you have to speak up and say something then you do because you're an adult so you can make these decisions and these choices and you've come this far yeah exactly if you're adult loves to take your clothes off and fuck someone then at least you can do is show your partner some courtesy by telling them if that's not what you're feeling.
So, yeah. What about that?
So, I mean, we've spoken about like the entire event, but my thoughts on kind of that post-event come down, self-care, I don't know whether you guys experience this, whether it's something that you occasionally experience or what have you, but I do find that after a successful event, after I've had a really good time or after I've been looking forward to something for three, four months, whatever that looks like, and then you finally get there, the night's amazing, you have a great time, We make sure that we're going to make sure that we're going do you find that after a successful event, after I've had a really good time or after I've been looking forward to something for three, four months, whatever that looks like, and then you finally get there, the night's amazing, you have a great time, you make connections, you dance, you drink, it's great.
And the next day you realize there's nothing on the calendar to look forward to anymore and it's over. Do you ever experience, it's like a, it's what we call like a sub drop in BDSM terms, but do you guys ever experience that? 100%.
And, you know, I think I think there's a couple of things one where we've run our own events and been involved in running events you know the next day is where we get the most questions about people going when's the next one that was we want to have something in the diary and I think that is that is a form of that drop because you know we've experienced it we've been to to your events I think for PCcap in particular that sort of the last you did not want to leave that pool oh my god our biggest regret was not booking an extra day yeah 100 we were so fucked off that we had to leave we were like oh man we could have just had a lazy day like just taking it easy and i just oh we really wish we booked an extra day didn't we but but it was absolute comedown of having had a really good time, having had something that you've looked forward to and that you've really enjoyed and you've made new friends and connections and then having to leave it and go back to your regular life is very difficult.
It is a drop. Especially when those bars were just dotted around the pool still. We were like, oh, man.
And I was actually in the pool and drinking and having a good time too so that's it after the event it's always my time to have a good time so that's like my my next day or two i'm just living it up you haven't seen me partying like as hard as you see me party after the end of my events i'm like yeah culling loose i've got no responsibilities anymore hey no party like an after party party exactly i think it's not just sub drop from or you know post- drop from having those highs i think you know if you do choose to play as well and this especially is important for for singles you know if you do choose to play there is an element of resetting you know having this like wow that happened last night and i'm on this like amazing high and it was so different and so new and so unique and i've built it up and all this sort of stuff and geez now it's gone and you're in your pajamas kind of watching Netflix it can be a moment where you need to recognize those things and figure out what's going to be some self-care for you um I found that host events for me uh things where I'm like oh amazing amazing and then like oh life is dull now and I'm like oh shit so I do need to actually generally tend to book something for myself like the day after or the weekend after or something else to look forward to it doesn't have to be as lavish but just a massage or a bath and some wine or something like that um again might not be for everybody out there but it's something that i've recognized in myself now one one of our greatest joys i think is having friends in the lifestyle that you can debrief with and that's been invaluable and i think that when you've come back from an event having friends that you can chat to and just kind of talk it through is so helpful just to kind of process all of it because there is often a lot of processing around what's happened and what's gone on it and often this stuff is positive you it just takes a while to sink into like holy shit were we doing that or things you'd miss yeah or you just think oh oh yeah or someone reminds you of something great and you're like oh totally i remember that now and it brings back a really good memory and i think doing that has been really useful so just having a call the next day with friends or having a zoom chat or whatever and and talking that.
And also, to be fair, the podcast kind of helps because, you know, if you relive it a little bit and you're talking about it, it gives you an opportunity to to kind of share that experience. And that does sort of ease the ease the pain. But equally, I mean, we tend to book things pretty quickly after we've done it. It's like when you go go and see a gig.
if you haven't been to a gig for a while you go to a gig you go wow that was amazing why don't we go to more gigs and then the next day you book another gig yeah guilty i went to the comedy show recently i came home sat on the couch booked tickets for a different comedian in like two months time because i was like that was amazing why don't it's more often oh yeah because i can't afford to do it more often but that's the thing and it's really nice to have a treat that's that's ahead and like you say that could that treat could just be small it could be a massage it could be um a trip and stand it could be a nice meal or whatever it might be or it could be how do we get our next fix and and you know what is the next like the junkies that we are this is why i i like having um a visual diary things i i mean i i can't bring myself to just commit everything into some kind of like i don't know digital thing digital is still visual there it still exists i like to see something tangible in front of me i like the paper where i can see everything plotted out and mapped out and i'm my God, look, I can see it because it's written in pen in like a few months time.
Whereas if it's like in the Internet somewhere. This would explain every time I send you an email, you write back to me in pencil. It's not visually popping for me because I have to go and search for it.
Whereas I like to see it in front of me and I can then see that I've got exciting exciting things to look forward to that's how i work that's just like like the tangibility of it i like writing things down and i'm looking at them and go yeah look at this happening it's exciting old-fashioned girl there is there's absolutely something in that and i think it's good for your mental health it's like when you go on holiday and you come back and it's nice to have an extra day off and a couple of weeks time that you can look forward to just to kind of ease the ease the pain of going back to work if you if you're you got something to look forward to yeah i like that and and we tend to to operate like that i think it's interesting because often the events that we're going to at the moment the ones that we've been involved in in sort of organizing or or had a hand in so it's it's for us it's sort of often it's a it's a treat just for us i think and and like you said yourself kate it's like the after an event it's the day off afterwards that you get where you don't have those responsibilities and that you can just enjoy that to the most yeah absolutely what would you say would be like if you're going to wrap something else into like, your best piece of advice, what would be the last thing you would add to how to have a successful event?
Is there anything else you're thinking of? Take some flat shoes. Make some flat shoes. I mean, it's actually not that bad advice. I know, but it's brilliant advice. I really wish I listened to my own advice. Put some water and some snacks in your hotel room before you leave for the club for the night. That helps.
That's a a classic bit of advice definitely take a spare pair of shoes if your high heels are killing you then at least you can change into some shoes i think for me that the biggest bit of advice that i can give to people i think and i'm thinking about people who might be new or might be nervous is to use the facilities that you've got so if the event has a chat if it has a zoom beforehand if it has um a pre-meet if it has well one assumes it has hosts if you're feeling nervous be part of that if you can ask the host questions if you've got them and just be involved because there's nothing worse than just seeing at home and being worried about something that you've paid money to enjoy we you know as hosts ourselves we want everyone to have a cracking time and to go away you know having loved their experience but loving the community even more and i think if you don't use those facilities then i think you're missing a trick because they are there to help you and you know i think some of the events that we went to um in our sort of very early days they didn't offer those facilities the hosts weren't approachable they weren't useful and and actually i think as a result we worried ourselves to death about just just simple things now now that we've experienced that we know they're simple but but when you're new they're not so if you can go in with a positive attitude but it also kind of don't don't forget that there's a whole host of support there to to help you get the most out of your event yeah that's a good one and i think too like going along with that as much as you know you want to use the the options available to you and i mean thinking about new people but also thinking about people that are maybe a little bit more ocd maybe a little bit more planning you know that do really want to think things through try to do your best maybe to loosen that awful little notch you know because coming in and thinking the entire time well shit we've we've now got to go and explore and we have to get into the wet room we have to get into that jacuzzi because if we don't get in the jacuzzi we're going to regret it or we have to do this we have to do that and you don't really allow any time for you to actually enjoy the event so my other thing would be to as best you can try not to overthink things try not to put too much pressure on it you know just try to be in the moment try to have a good time yes as we said earlier in the episode set those intentions and try to keep yourself accountable but if you can release the reins release the reins a little bit because otherwise you're also going to be just not in the moment really and that there's nothing worse than kind of realizing that you had all these opportunities presented in front of you and you didn't take advantage of them yeah you don't want to kill yourself trying to do everything and i think you know you can absolutely overthink this and spend your time sort of right it's now 1201 we must disrobe and go to this room with that couple and now we've got to go and sample this lecture that's going on over here and honestly you can you could spend you know you can organize your life that way but the reality is i think this community is is fun and enjoyable and is talkative and it's about finding out about other people and building new connections and i think if you're too slavish to your routine and this is coming from me who likes a routine then you're going to miss out and and you're just gonna you're not going to enjoy the connections themselves you're just going to be too worried about what you're doing next and and i wouldn't want anyone to go through an event like that don't get shit-faced and forget an important important thing so hard to get right it's so so hard not to drink because you're nervous or drink to loosen up a bit or drink because you're socializing and we absolutely are guilty of that i know we are and i've done it way too many times to be any kind of expert at this but i i'm starting to get a bit better with it i i truly am but it's it's so tempting to throw yourself into party mode and then just want to sweep drinks and drink and then before you know it you either flat out somewhere or you're sick or or you've missed half a night because you've had to go and bail early and go to sleep i don't know any number of of permutations really or drinking too much can ruin your night and it's a shame because you've you know you've looked forward to it for so long and then you just go fuck it up for yourself yeah and it's true for yourself because it is it's on you isn't it like you're responsible for how much you drink so i can't blame anyone else she says looking back a nice glass of red staring at us both going responsibility it's your responsibility it's responsible behavior isn't it you don't want people's lasting memory of you to be high-eyed and you know hugging the porcelain basin of a club toilet so there's better ways to remember me i'm sure right so on that note i think i think we can wrap things up thank you ever so much for joining us it is always a pleasure where can people find you in the world swingingdownunder.com because i still have not changed our domain to wanderlustswingers.com it's not true i actually do have the domain and it's uh forwarded permanently to swingingdownunder.com but it's just faster if you go there so that's what it does and if anyone needs a business card Thank you.
I actually do have the domain and it's forwarded permanently to swingingdownunder.com, but it's just faster if you go there. So, that's what it does. And if anyone needs a business card, we've got fucking hundreds of them. Anyone needs a business card, hit me up. You know, I can send you one of those. No, it's been good. I hope people find that valuable.
I hope people get something out of that and hopefully it helps you to maybe have success at your next event, but feel a little bit more relaxed that, you know you know what you're thinking about what you're going through and what you're worrying about other people thought about it other people have experienced it and like we've explained many times other people have it up all right guys well that's everything from me i hope that you really enjoyed that episode about how to have success at swinging lifestyle events and i hope to see some of you in 2023 it is already coming up towards the end of february we've got our event in Thank you.
about how to have success at swinging lifestyle events and i hope to see some of you in 2023 it is already coming up towards the end of february we've got our event in london next week and we are about to publicly launch a very very exciting event in europe so stay tuned for that but otherwise we'll see you on the next episode where we talk about some very naughty things we got up to recently hope that you guys are happy healthy, healthy, and well. Don't forget to leave us a five-star rating and a review if you get the time. We would absolutely love to see that on our podcast catcher.
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