Club Rejection, MFM Lessons & Lifestyle Drama at a Swingers Club

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Speaker1: You're listening to the Wanderlust Swingers podcast with Aussie hosts Kate and Daryl. If you're curious about exploring your sexuality or the swinging, hot-wifing and non-monogamous lifestyle, you've definitely come to the right podcast. Or maybe you just love travel adventures. Either way, we share our personal, sometimes juicy, sexy stories as well as Swingers Club and event reviews, interviews with other sassy people and of course our global swinging adventures. We try to bring you a look into the Wanderlust Swingers podcast with Aussie hosts Kate and Daryl. the diverse lifestyle that the swinging and non-monogamous community has. We hope you enjoy. Now let's get into the episode. G'day everyone and happy new year. Welcome back to the Wanderlust Swingers 2026 edition where we will do absolutely nothing different. 2026 first edition. I feel like there'll be more. Have you written 2016 yet? Yeah. Me too. High five. I mean it's We're a week into 2026. So if you haven't written this down yet, you probably don't have a job. Or maybe there's no need to. I don't know. We're catching up after trips to Bangkok and Australia before Daryl heads to frozen Canada tomorrow. What do you mean frozen Canada? It's pretty freaking frozen here in the Netherlands as well, just quietly. It has been. I mean, it's still literally ice on the roads outside. We're going to talk about getting rejected from a club in Belgium, an MFM at home that I think we can do better next time. And one of the most chaotic club visits that we've ever had in our 10 years in the lifestyle, which is at a Belgium club. Going to look back on 2025, talk about 2026, and going to talk about am I the arsehole when it comes to grooming? And yeah, the answer is normally yes. Sorry, I didn't realise there was going to be more to that sentence. Yeah, there's a whole segment, babe. Okay. But hey, hold your... Criticisms. We just got back from Bangkok and Australia, and yes, we did return. to frozen the Netherlands, which was interesting, being on a boat and getting burnt one day in sunny Queensland, Australia, and then coming back and it being frozen here. And snowing. And snowing. Actually, I loved it. I know, you're like a child in the snow. Yeah. When this officially comes out, you will be on your way to Canada. What's the temperature right now in Quebec? I think it's minus 32 Celsius, so pretty damn cold. Pretty damn cold. Pretty sure something overlaps at around minus 40. with Fahrenheit. So it's basically the same temperature. I think so. Somewhere in there. Oh, wow. Farrenbubal. Exactly. Are you going to wear like thermals underneath your trousers? How do you make sure that your dick and balls don't just drop off? They do that themselves. Yeah. They just get smaller. This is why men complain about getting out of cold pools. How small do you reckon your dick and balls are going to get? Tell me about your cock, babe. I'm sure it will be under an inch long. Tell me about your veiny hard. 25 millimetres. Okay. 2.5 centimetres. I need to get back to some single men on I just responded to one message. Yep. Before we get on this podcast. He's an Italian dude. That's the guy that had a great first line. Great first line. Probably the best first line I've seen actually. I don't know if it's the best but it was certainly. What's better? What have you seen that's better? Fisting at 3pm babe. All day every day. Anal fisting it was. I actually can't even remember verbatim what it was but it was something to the effect of damn you travel a lot. Yeah. Do you. Well it was. It was damn you travel a lot. Do you need. an assistant. Yeah. And I would love to have the kind of travel schedule that you guys have, which shows me a few things. One, he's funny. Two, it wasn't high or hay, which immediately puts him above the rest. So good job for you. So three, he read our profile because the travel. Not only did he read the profile, he looked at our, looked at the travel that we do. That's what I mean. It's like right at the bottom. It's right at the bottom. So that was interesting that it tells me that he actually read. Scrolled. He scrolled. He has the ability to move one finger on his mouse. True. He not only clicked on our profile, but he actually went scroll once. Scroll. Which just puts him ahead of the pack. Not even three scrolls. It's only two, I think. He is in his 30s. Yes, which is going to do your head in because you're an old bird. I'm so old. He's in his 30s, but I did respond back to him. He's based out of Amsterdam. He said he's Italian and he introduced himself. That was the last message I just got from him. And I thought, okay, well, it's time for me. So I introduced myself and then I asked for some face pics because he does have emojis over his face photos. I asked for, hey, do you always wear an emoji head or do you have any? Maybe that is his face. Maybe it's his face. Maybe he's an Italian emoji. Just a giant Italian emoji. I mean, would that be a no from you? There'd be a lot of hands then, wouldn't there? Like the emoji face would have to have some hand gestures if we're really going to stare at. No, I mean, would that be a turndown for you? If he actually had an emoji head, that would be, okay, that would be a no. That's a hard no from you. A giant yellow emoji head. Yeah, babe, that would be a weird, that'd be a no. Oh, okay. Wow, I didn't know you were emojis. Hey, we got rejected from a club in Belgium. So we recently went to a club. I mean, you use the term we so broadly here. You got rejected from a club in Belgium. We actually, in this podcast, we're going to talk about a different Belgium club. And as a result of me talking about this review, there was a very sexy couple in Belgium who wrote to us and said, you know what, you guys probably should come to this other club. We prefer it. It's better. We should. We agree. They just don't like us. I went, amazing. And I applied and I just checked the other day and we were rejected. Yeah, but they did give us some support, some help on that. They said, look, we were rejected first time around as well. The couple. The website did it. So the website was like. But the couple did. They said we were rejected first time around as well. But then we sent through some more boudoir style sexy photos and that actually got us in. They started like we did, sending normal photos, thinking that they wouldn't want to see my taint and arsehole. But apparently they do. Yeah. Which I thought was interesting. So apparently we now have to go for a boudoir photo shoot in order to get approved. Or, just throwing this out there, we could take some photos or we could use AI. Oh my God, that would be so immoral. Why? It just would, but actually that is an upcoming episode we're going to do, which is AI and is it immoral? Anyway, long story short, we were rejected from a club. It's either because, and they don't tell you, so we don't know, is it because we are outside of their age design requirement, we are outside of their physical, We're English speakers and they don't want foreigners. I mean, it could be any of those things. They don't want non-French speakers. So now we're going to go get some better photos taken. C'est la vie. And reapply. More French. Look at you. Here's something. Look at you, Frenchy McFrench over here. I don't think I told you this. They make us wait two months before we can reapply. What? It's like, get your shit in order. You've got two months to get your shit in order. Sort your shit out. Do better with your life and then come back to us. Draw a six pack on, Daryl. Maybe that's why. They're giving you like days to get in shape. I mean, that was unnecessarily mean. I'm totally going to AI a six pack on myself. Are you? Okay, good. I'm going to look swarf and fit. Okay. Can you put some grease and oil on there too? Like maybe some water dripping or something? What do you mean? Is a six pack any other way? They're always greasy. Have you ever seen a non-greased six pack? I haven't actually. No, that's because they don't exist. If anyone's got a six pack, the first thing they're doing is putting on some sort of lubricant. No, it's not there. You know how there's the underpants and sock gnome? There is a separate... Oh, there's another gnome. There's like a pixie. There's a grease me up gnome. Pixie. And as soon as they go to take their shirt off, as it comes up... There's a pixie that runs in underneath. But it's an invisible pixie travels at speed of light and it comes in, greases up. I feel like you should be faster than that. Right? Better? Do better with your life, pixie. We had a recent 1FM freesome. with a new partner that you haven't played with before. This was the first time. I've played with him solo, but this is the first time that you have had a threesome. And I'm not going to really go into a hell of a lot of detail about the play session. I just wanted to touch on a few things. That's good because it's a long time ago. We went out for dinner. We came back to our house. And here's a little hot tip. I find it really difficult in our home. And I've told you this before, and it's been on the podcast before, but I'm just going to repeat it. I find it very difficult in my own space. in my own house that I have to do the chores in and work in. I find it really difficult to turn it over to being sexy time. Yes. Really difficult. And it's one of the reasons why I always say hot tip, get a hotel room, get out of your area, if you can afford it, if it's in the budget, to feel a little bit more sexy, to transition from sitting around and then going and playing. Yeah. I mean, I just want to step back a little bit and just, you know, explain that I also do the dishes in the house. Let's just start. That's your takeaway? Yeah, absolutely. Please don't crucify me. I also help with the house chores. Yes, I do. There are no defined male-female chores in our house. They're all unisex. Anyway, yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised, I guess. Do you feel that way? There's a gap between, well, we've got some problems with our house that make it more difficult. One is we don't have window blinds on all the windows. This is something that needs to happen, right? So that, as an example, if you started to get frisky, fool around on the couch in the lounge room, there's no chance. I mean, you could walk naked from the lounge room to the bedroom. You can't do that right now. No, you can't. We could. I have been talking about blinds for some time now. Okay, move on, dude. I'm not going to move on. I mean, damn, this is something that keeps, you know, coming up in our conversations. But I think that would help significantly. That's a good point. I like that point. Yep. What's that? Any others? Why a house is not conducive to sexy time? Certainly in winter, which is when this playtime happened, it's less conducive to being naked in because it's colder. True. Or even having somebody stick their hands down your pants because their fingies are cold. Right. Also, though, I just don't, I don't understand, I still don't understand phalanges. Phalanges are cold. Yes. I still don't understand, though. It's certainly not being in, like, a well-lit house. Well, we have dimmers on every fucking light in the house. Every light. In fact, some of our lights, more than one, can change colours, even. Fancy pans. So, just stepping back, why does the hotel room make it sexier for you? Because... You're asking me to dig into the depths of my brain hole? Yeah, I mean, we could be here. Buckle up, pal. Hold on, let me just squidge things, move things over. Just childhood trauma, push that aside. Adult trauma? Is there any adult trauma? Yeah, financial stress. There's financial stress? What makes, yeah, it's why we don't have any blinds. Because you can't bear to have somebody come in and measure up the blinds. That's why. What makes a hotel feel sexier than the house? I would say it's a different space. So you get to be outside of the realm again. So you get to pretend a little bit. You get to pretend a little bit. You get to step into, to kind of, you know. Slutty-cade. Slutty-cade. And again, I mean, I live and work here. Yes, of course I live here. It's my fucking house. But I'm here every day. And, you know, when somebody comes over, I'm going to put we in there. Because if I say, oh, you're going to lose your shit, we have to clean the house, make sure it's presentable. And you're about to say, no, we don't. And I'm going to say, absolutely we do. Because I can't, there's no way I could feel sexy if someone was coming around to a disheveled house. So I have to then prepare, we have to, then prepare the entire house. Make sure it's like clean and tidy and everything before something's coming over. I mean, one of our cleaners in the past has actually asked us whether we were moving in or moving out. Our house is always clean. It's like we have nothing. We don't have a lot of random shit laying around. Yeah. And that's one of the things. And I'm here all the time. So being able to step away into a new environment as well. And hotels, I mean, except if you're going to a chain fucking Hilton or some shit, which we don't do. But they're kind of designed to feel a little bit sexy and a little bit nicer and, well, they should be. Dude, I don't know what hotel you're hanging out on because I do a lot of hotels and they're all the same. Yeah, how's that Holiday Inn coming up? They're all the same. I'm not at the Holiday Inn this time. Thank you. Oh, nice. I think it's all of those things combined. The fact that here, I'm here day in, day out. The chores in the house has to be done. It's not necessarily like sexy. It's the norm for me. a hotel room enables me to kind of shift that mindset away from the everyday and into something a little bit more interesting, sexy, and fun. Okay. Does that suit your... I mean, I don't feel we got past the childhood trauma part, but anyway, here we are. We jest, we joked, but, you know, obviously it's a very serious, serious thing. Now, we also didn't have condoms that actually fit him, so he had some trouble. We use a very thin, tight-fitting condom, and he had some trouble with those. Just say it as it is, He's got more girth than I do. And because of that, the condoms didn't fit because the condoms I have are designed to be, well, they're Japanese condoms. They're designed to be one of the thinnest condoms available. So they're not super stretchy. They're made from not latex, something else. Yeah, they're not super stretchy. So it's very difficult if you do have a girthier cock to fit up a condom. So my question was, should we start to have different kinds of condoms that we carry in our hoe bag? Because right now, that one because we know that it has less of a chance to give me a UTI. Unlike maybe some of the other condom brands that might have different sugars or whatever on them or lube, different lubes on them that irritates me and throws my pH off. So should we start carrying? Get the condoms, babe. Well, I mean, that's a question for your vagina, really. Should we start? Yes, please. Okay, so I guess we should get some other condoms. Get some new condoms. Thank you. Okay, man, she's really high pitched voice on that. I actually thought she'd be more. She'd be more angry. Well, she's constantly got angry, you know, between UTIs and stuff. Like, she's grumpy. I figured she'd sound more like a Karen. Oh, mate. What? Back it up. Come on. Did you just call my pussy Karen? Bitch complains about it. She's asking for the manager constantly. Get out. She's asking for the manager. How dare you, sir? Come on. Take it back. Maybe we could grow her hair out a little bit. Take it back. Give her a little bob. Take it back. Oh, it's just too funny now, the image. Okay, fine. I'll take it back a little bit. I take back 50%. 65%. Welcome to the Wanderlust Swingers podcast with Kate, your solo host, because Daryl has been murdered and buried. You wouldn't bury me. You'd just leave me to the buzzards. I'll just throw you in the canal. Yeah. Well, right now. I've never seen them carry it, clean that canal behind our house. I'd just be sliding across the top at the moment. Cause it's frozen. We get it burning. So freshen up. I, during this play session at the beginning of the play session, I actually went and took a shower and freshened up as I like to do. And then I remained naked. Yeah. So I went to, to freshen up as I like to do. My question to you, though, before we move on to the Belgium club and almost getting into a fistfight is, do you still MFM play? Yes. Tell me two reasons why you like it. Three. No, two good ones and one bad one. Final, final offer. You are really committed to this number, aren't you? So two reasons. One is the biggest reason that I have always had is that I enjoy watching you have fun and I enjoy watching you being slutty. I like that. That's really intensely erotic to me. Intensely erotic? Yes. Having you just being a whore is really erotic to me. Okay. But it's, you know, it's something that sometimes comes out in these events, but not always. Actually, it's rarely, but sometimes it does come out. You being pleasured is important to me. I like that. And I think something different is, I truly believe that something different for you is something that is of need for you. And I think having something different is good for your brain as well as your pussy. Okay. Second one. Second reason. That was all the first. Okay. That was still the first. Okay. Yep. So second. Second good thing. The second good thing is that it forces us to have friends. That's another one. Wow. No. I think it's really you've found, I've found that you are engaging with him now. regularly as a chat, as a friend, as somebody to chat with, right, just to talk to. I think that's a good thing as well. So that is a part of this. Like a net benefit. Yeah, it's a part of our style of MFM. Okay. And maybe something negative about MFMs. Yeah, they can be, depending on how they roll, they can, I can feel like sometimes we put ourselves in a position where we don't actually want, where we don't want to do this, but we're doing it anyway because somebody's there. Okay. And I think that is regularly, for me, and I think in coming back to the home space, doing it here, this is something that I think is more obvious, feels more obvious to me in the home space. I feel like you are doing this as a performance to me, especially in this space, because you're not feeling sexy. That's the other thing. Okay. So that's the big negative, I suppose, of playing here at home. Well, thank you. Shall we talk about almost getting in a fistfight in a club now? Let's move on. So, segment two. Do we have to? Yeah, we have to. So, we went to a new club for us in Belgium. Very popular club. It's actually one that we've been wanting. I've forgotten this, but. It's one that we've been wanting. I've been wanting to visit since we moved to the Netherlands. It gets very highly talked about online. Very positive reviews. It's quite a, I guess, a larger club. a full blog review of it. It is on our website. I'll put that in the show notes if you want to go and check that out specifically. So when I'm going to talk about the club and the layout and stuff, what we are going to talk about is our time there. So we went there on a Friday night. It was a mixed night where single men were allowed. Really, really high diversity in terms of the people that were there, which I actually thought was great. That was a really big positive for us. Both in age range, ethnicity, body size. It was just... Sexuality too. Sexuality. It was very... Very broadly. Yeah, I agree. It was a very broad group of people. Yeah, I think we saw multiple men playing together. I think you saw male anal penetration as well in the cage room. So quite a lot of fun. But we are going to kind of focus on some of the negatives because I think there's some, I guess. One big negative? There's a few actually. So first of all, I want to talk about, so this is the first time we've been in the Lifestyle of 10 years. This is the first time we've had anything of this caliber, I guess, happen to us. So when you're listening to this story, Please know that this is very unique, very unusual. Very unusual, very rare in fact. Drama. Let's talk about the story. So there were, I want to set the scene before we kind of talk about how it happened. There were an abundance of single men at this particular club night. I would say. Yes, there were too many. Well, I can say just going by the count on the, on where we ended up in the lockers, there were a hundred couples there at least, or a hundred people there at least. I was going to say because the. Let's say that, let's say that the ratio is 30% those were men, then there's 70 couples in the room. Okay. So 70, 70, 30, literally 70 and 30. I thought it would be at least a 50, 50 split. No. Okay. There wasn't 50% men to like, you're not saying that there was one, there's one man for each couple. I think there was two men for each couple. Okay. All right. Yeah. So high, high ratio of single men now, which is fine. That's their choice, I guess. You know, we will talk about, I guess, some of the owner's responsibilities when we talk about what happened. The, the men that were there, the calibre and quality of men that were there. Was reasonably low. Far, that was probably again, broad brush, the most unattractive, unput together group of men I think I've ever seen at a swingers club. And it definitely set the scene for feeling like, what the fuck is going on in here? Yeah, I mean, and just to be clear, this is not being tainted by the experience we had. It was, this was discussed prior to that experience in the club. We both agreed that this, We went in there with the intent of potentially, well, certainly I did. And I think you had, I think we discussed this before, but it's a little while ago. But we went there with the intent of you getting laid with a guy, right? That was the intent. And we very quickly, after walking into the club, realized that that was not something that was going to happen that night. So we actually dressed up for this club, not realizing that immediately you have to dress down, which is fine. We actually had lingerie with us. We were intending to dress down anyway, as we always do. So we had it with us. We did dress up very nicely to walk into the club. And then we realized very quickly we had to immediately dress down. Fine. So we went and dressed down. And this is something I think that is difficult for men. But I think there are ways to create success from it. And that is how to basically, as a man especially, how to dress up when you're dressing down. Like how to make sure that you're not walking around the club with old pistane wire fronts and Nike sliders. By the way, there were pistain wire fronts. Literal pistain wire fronts in the club. Yeah. With the older gentleman wearing them. Yeah, that you're not walking around with just not looking attractive at them. If you are forced to dress down, there are ways to make it nicer. Well, certainly not stuffing your cigarette packet into your underwear is definitely not the way to go to attract a group of fairytale ladies. Yeah, so I think there was maybe at least 20 men that I saw with cigarette packets tucked into their jocks. Yeah. Into their underwear. So one of the ways. Jocks is a very Australian word. Is it? Nobody else in the world will know what the hell you're talking about. Okay. So one of the ways I think men can do better is their choice of underpants. So I would say go for something that is well-fitting and is more modern and stands out. Buy your manjouret in the gayborhood. 100%. Yep. Immediately better. It's going to fit better. It's going to be, it's going to look better. It's not going to be boring. It's not going to be the same thing. that everybody else in the room is wearing. That's one. I mean, the obvious thing here is, yeah, don't wear your underpants that are 10 years old and have holes in them. Like, what are you even doing? Which is another literal thing we saw in there. Yeah. Underwear with holes in them. Yeah. And the other thing, too, is, you know, you can still accessorize. Like, you can still wear a watch. You can still wear some jewellery as a guy to try and make it look better. You can still wear a shirt as well. You can still wear, like, a lace or a C3 kind of shirt. Which some guys in there were doing. Yep. Especially, If you feel nervous about your upper body, which many men do. And you've done that before, I think. Do that regularly. So there is actually a photo of us at Carp where it was the Black Knight and you have a really nice kind of see-through black top that is amazing. And that is something that, yes, the guys could wear if they were wanting to either dress it up a little or they were a bit unsure about taking their shirt off or feel a little bit funny about that. Shoes, though. Shoes is a tough one because, again, I saw Nike sliders, Adidas sliders. I saw them with socks. That's just you saying you're old. I saw them with socks. Yeah. I mean, socks and sliders is somewhat standard as well, unfortunately. And then I just saw some joggers, you know, but they were dirty or things of that nature. So you can still wear your kicks in the club. I think that can look really nice on a guy, like really nice kicks, but they have to be clean, you know, all those sorts of things. You don't necessarily have to wear thongs on your feet. Flip-flops. Flip-flops. Conversion. Translation. Yeah, you don't necessarily have to wear them. You can, but I think that you can also wear like nice kicks in the club. Yes. With dressing down. Do you have any other tips of the guys when they're dressing down? No, you've pretty much summed it up. Cool. Let's talk about, so that was, so to give you the scene, abundance of single men, poorly dressed, not necessarily looking their best and just generally not really setting the scene for a very sexy club. On top of that, following us around the club, that's not uncommon. Yeah, I didn't really have a problem with that. I know you have an issue. with it. But we've never had any engagement in that that was in any way wrong. And this is where it leads me to the guy that grabbed my ass when I went to the ladies room. So I, and it's kind of how I guess the. Yeah, I mean, I just don't understand why you didn't punch him in the face. The snowball kind of. So having this abundance of men, I guess, created a scarcity mindset in the club. Definitely. It felt that way. It was a competition because there was not a lot of ladies or not a lot of couples there. The competition was high. So people were being extra competitive. Yeah. And so I went to the ladies room and I was washing my hands. A guy walks in and grabbed a handful of my naked butt. Yeah, basically naked up because I was wearing a G-string. And grabbed a handful of it and then shook it up and down and then said something to me. I don't know what language he was talking. Shook it up and down and like blah, and grabbed it. And I turned to him and I said, hey, don't do that. Right. I had used my words very clearly. He stopped at that point in time. And I left the bathroom, came back and I said to you like, Yeah, we got a drink. And I think I mentioned, I was like, oh yeah, that guy just grabbed, grabbed my ass in the bathroom. So that was grabbed his face, but quickly, like with an open palm, you just grab it from the side really fast, like a really fast grab. He, he touched my ass. I said, no, he walked away. That's did he apologize? I have no idea. I don't think so. Yeah. So I mean, it could have been a fast grab, just a really quick grab to the face, you know, like really fast with a sudden hand movement. Yeah. So I think all of these things combined created this atmosphere. that wasn't super conducive to, I don't know, a good night. But I don't know whether that then had created what happened next. How would that create what happened next? So we were standing on the edge of the dance floor. And at this point, we were kind of talking about, should we just get another drink? Should we leave? Night was not really turning out the way we wanted to. It wasn't conducive to a sexy environment. No, it really wasn't. So you were shirtless. Yes. With underpants on. And a guy who we hadn't engaged with whatsoever. Hadn't met, hadn't spoken to, hadn't done anything, hadn't even looked at each other across the room. Yeah. Walks up to you, grabs your chest, squeezes your chest together and motivates you. Yes. What happened when that occurred? I mean, instant anger would be the best response available. I don't think there's, in any realm, is that okay? In any world, should that be something that somebody could just walk up to anyone and do, male or male? So my response was pretty obvious. What the fuck are you doing? Right. So when that first happened, you didn't say no thank you or... I said stop that. Stop that. And I told him to never... I said you can't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that to anyone. Right. This is not okay. Yeah. And then what happened? Well, his response was, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm like, okay, fine. You're sorry. Go away. Yep. And he then proceeded to grab my arm and try to talk to me some more and I said, Now you're grabbing me. Get the fuck away from me. Yep. When this was a call kind of happening, did you, do you think he was on drugs? Was he drunk? What was the go there? I didn't notice. You didn't notice. Okay. So then he's grabbing your arm. Yeah. And you're telling him. To fuck off. To fuck off. Literally get the fuck away from me. At this point it's gone from don't do that, you can't do that, continued aggravation and then fuck off. Yes. Yeah. So I told him to fuck off. Get the fuck away from me because he's pissing me off. Yeah. And this was the point that he then threatened you, right? Yeah, he said, do you know who I am? And I said, I don't give a fuck who you are. Get the fuck away from me. Yeah. And at that point, he started talking to me again, and I just turned my back to him and started talking to you, at which time he then decided to grab my shoulder to turn me back around to talk to him. Yeah. So this is all kind of happening in a very full dance floor. And I think, yeah, I think he also said, you're fucked after this or something. He said, don't you know who I am? You're fucked. I remember us talking about this in the taxi on the way home. I don't know where he goes. He goes out the back room. We then go and get approached. the bar staff, right? Well, no, he didn't leave. I walked straight away from him, straight to the bar staff. Okay. I grabbed one of the bar staff and I said, hey, this guy's fucking pissing me off. Yep. The bar staff, and as that happened, he then disappeared through the door, through the door to the entrance. Yep. And then he disappeared and the bar staff was where he is easy and I said he went through the door. Right. And then they obviously couldn't find him at that point. He then, I mean, I don't know, we stood there for a little bit longer. He walked back through again and he walked back over to somebody on the other side of the So I walked straight back over to the bar and I said, hey, that fucking guy is back in here. You need to do something about it. He just did the same thing to that guy over there that he did to me. The guy over there who was talking to him had also told him, you can see, I couldn't hear him. His arm movements were exaggerated and essentially pointing to tell him to go away. Probably to fuck off. Which would not be a surprise, given he did the same thing to somebody else. Right, right. So at that point, I grabbed the bar staff again. He disappeared from the guy that he did that to, and he started walking a different direction. He then turned around and came back past us. Yeah. Whilst I was talking to the bar staff, and I said, it's that fucking guy there. And they grabbed him and dragged him out. Well, dragged is a tight word, but they escorted him out. Escorted him out to the front area. So at this point in time, the security guard, by the way, massive dude, huge dude, big unit. He was talking to us and he's like, hey, sorry about that, you know, whatever. And we said, no, it's no drama. We're going to go. We started just because we'd already kind of been on the fence about going anyway. And this just definitely pushed us over. So we said, we're going to go. And he said, no. Please stay. Don't let this. And I'll get the, I'll get the owner. We can make this right. Don't let this ruin your night. And we were like, look, the night's ruined. It was already kind of not great anyway. we're going to go. And he tried to convince us a little bit more to stay. And I remember telling him, I'm like, it is not specifically your fault this happened, but we don't want to be here. So we head downstairs into the locker area and start to get our gear together. And while we're kind of getting dressed, because again, we're in lingerie and our stuff's downstairs. So while we're putting on our clothes, we were kind of keeping a lookout, like where is this guy that they've potentially escorted offside? Because he was in his lingerie as well. So he needed. He needed to get down into this room to actually get changed. Yeah. So we're standing there. We're kind of getting dressed as quickly as we could. The security guard came back down and he brings the female owner and she proceeded to again try to get us to stay. You know, I'm very sorry this happened. She was extraordinarily apologetic. We have free tickets the next time we go. Blah. Yeah. So she was super apologetic and wanted to stay. We made it very clear. Again, not your fault. But I want to put a pin in that because I want to come back to that. We then asked the security guard to escort us out and we get a taxi home, essentially. Right? Yep. Now, with the owner, and then we talked about this in the taxi on the way home, and I was saying, oh, man, that really sucks. Like, I feel bad for her. Do you want to go back on a Saturday when it's couples only? That was what she was basically saying to us. And we said, look, we're a hot wife couple. We play with single men. That's not the issue here. The issue is the bad actors, the bad behavior. So, with this owner... By the way, we assume they removed him after they allowed us to leave. What responsibility does that event host have, that club owner have, for creating perhaps that highly competitive nature, for not maybe cutting people off if they're too inebriated, for being a little bit more visual around the club, for perhaps telling people what the etiquette is around the club, like reinforcing consent practices? What do you think about that? Do you think that the owner has responsibility for this? Of course they have responsibility for this. What level? Well, I mean, so certainly the reactive level that they offered is something that is a responsibility, Of course, removing that individual that's caused the problem should be quick, decisive, you know, without stress for the other people who, I mean, for me, it came from nowhere, right? I just got, a dude just motorboated me on a dance floor. It's just, that's not something I've ever experienced before. So I don't believe that there was any culpability on my side up to that point, right? Which means the reaction was an appropriate reaction, remove the guy. that's absolutely the case, especially given he did it again. So that's one thing, but that's the reactive portion of this. There's a proactive portion as well that I think that in some cases, and potentially in this case, is a responsibility that every club owner should have. And the proactivity portion of that is, yes, we understand your clubs are there to make money. It's the primary reason of a club, right? Otherwise you wouldn't run it. It's there to make money. But you shouldn't do that at the potential detriment or harassment of the people who are in the club. And creating an environment where it's highly competitive potentially draws that to a higher level. Now, there's two ways you can deal with that. You either don't allow that many single men in, right, that's one way, or you do some form of vetting on the single men to make sure that, well, not make sure, but at least have a higher percentage chance that they're not going to be somebody who's going to do that. That's the other way you can do it. And that doesn't, that won't lower your revenue. I do this for a living. I deal with people for a living, especially in an environment, a single man's night where there's probably more single men wanting to get in than the club can hold. You've got the ability there to actually be a little bit more selective. Yep. Now. Now I'm curious as well. I don't know whether you remember, my head's now going back to, there was a guy out the front when we arrived who was trying to get in, who didn't have a date. And he approached one of the ladies in line who was apparently single at that point, but she wasn't. Her husband, partner, whatever, just walked off somewhere else. And he wasn't able to get in. So I'm curious as to whether that was because the club was full or just because he was a twat some other time. Yeah, I think it's probably the twat some other time because we saw single men getting in after him. Exactly. So my concern is here, we're also potentially not monitoring who's coming in, a single guy that has actually potentially done something wrong in the past. Yeah, not at all because we didn't actually have to show ideas. Yeah, so there you go. This is exactly the proactivity that I think was missing from this. Yeah, I mean, the club owner has a responsibility to deal with that. This is, in fact, their primary responsibility outside of making money for their shareholders is to create a space where people can be safe. And by the way, that's not just, that's not a swingers club. That's any club, any event, any... Any bar, any church, any... Anything, yeah. Social group, doesn't matter. Okay, I want to be devil's advocate a little bit here. Now, some people might be listening to this and go, Daryl, he just motorbirded you. It's not really boobs, like kind of get over it. There might be some people who feel that way. To those people, I want to say this. If he'd have done that to me, why would it be any different that it's a female it's happening to versus a man? The fact of the matter is he came into your personal space, touched you without permission, and then continued to engage with you after you had told him no, right? So that is a complete consent violation. I have also had this happen to me from females in female bathrooms in swingers clubs. It's not uncommon that a woman will grab another woman's boobs or motivate them or touch them without consent. That's something that we've spoken about over 10 years on the podcast that often bad actors can actually be women versus men. I think with this situation, we've spoken a lot about the fact that it was an abundance of single men. that caused the issue. It was a single male that did that. The club should put into some protocols for single men. But I think that the importance here of the club is the fact that there was no ID taken at reception, like no check-ins, no have you been here before, no do you know about consent. Because this could have been a couple, a single that had done this. And I think that's the missing piece on proactivity here. I don't necessarily just want to put it into single male category of being the problem. I think that the atmosphere definitely created that. Yeah, but there's a deeper problem here, and the problem is that we don't know who's coming into our club or what they've done in the past potentially to stop them from coming back again when they've done something bad. Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah, which every club, like ever, I think every nightclub checks, pretty much all of them check your ID, right? This is not an uncommon thing. In Australia, they... I mean, yeah, but we can't transfer Australian, you know, expectations globally, but it's pretty common that there's a blacklist of people who are not allowed into a space, right? Yeah. I mean, there's a very big difference for me. If somebody did that to you, if it was a woman, she'd immediately be pulled off you if I was there. And I would stand in between you and her and really dress that woman down. Yeah. So it was a shitty situation. First time it's happened. Definitely kind of ruined the night. Definitely ruined the vibe. The night was pretty... Ruined anyway. Well, it wasn't ruined. It just wasn't... It wasn't a night that was in any way sexy to that point. The gaping anal porn on the TV wasn't set in the mood for you. So let's move on out of that club and let's talk about 2025 in review and if you've got anything on the radar for 2026. I wrote some things down. In 2025, I went to France twice. I hosted two events in the US. We went to Carp Darg twice. Went to Carp Darg twice. I hosted two And I co-hosted a takeover in Jamaica. We traveled. We visited many new clubs. We went to clubs in Denmark, kind of all over the place. I went on some solo dates. I went to Toronto and sucked random dick. We soft-swapped at Fun for Two and rediscovered, I guess, some new ways or some different ways that aren't kind of a usual. What about 2026 before I talk about mine? What do you mean, what about 2026? Do you have any desires on the radar for the lifestyle for 2026? I mean, yeah, they're probably unchanged from 2025. No, I mean, it's the same thing. So as an example, you know, I wanted you to come home full of another man's cum, which is not something that was applicable, nor were you going to do. So we bought some, I bought some specific lube that at least we could pretend that that was the case. That's something that's still exciting to me that will continue to be an excitement, but not an actuation. I mean, I want to go back to carp for sure. I enjoyed that last year. I would like to do some other events in other, do some other things. in other places, perhaps places we've not been before as well. I mean, that can coincide with some of our travel. You know, I go to Canada regularly now, so there's a lot of clubs in Canada that we haven't been to, and, you know, it's just a matter of you actually coming along to one of these, and we stay for a weekend after, and we could do that as well. Well, I want to take you to X Club in Toronto, and you always normally have to travel through Toronto, so that would be the perfect one to extend. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's really, really easy. I'll be spending a lot more time in the US this year as well. or at least in the Americas in general. So I'd be interested in expanding the places I've been to because you've been to a lot in the U.S. that I haven't been to as well. So that would be interesting to me. You were maybe going to be off to Denver recently and there's a club there or a place that I have never been to either. And I was like, okay, well, if you're going to Denver, I should try to come over and we'd go to that. So I agree. Yeah. What else is there? Yeah, that's probably about it, I suppose. One other thing I would like for you to have a consistent single guy play partner that you can consistently have that you feel both intellectually and sexually attracted to that can be essentially a extended part of our coupledom so before i move on to mine real quick you know how the netherlands sent out the you have to have an emergency home kit yep 72 hours for survival have you seen what's on their box on the outside no have you seen the boxes called airtight no no 72 hour emergency kit is called airtight nice nice i cracked up when i saw it That's a minute to tell you. Okay, you ready for mine? Yes. Okay, 2026. I got some personal ones. I'm not getting any younger. This month, I actually turned 41. I turned 41. I'm not getting any younger, so I want to be more bold. These are mine, so just hush your mouth. I had a question, but continue. Okay. I want to more play up front, so I want to kind of ask for the goods more often, right, when I'm interested in somebody. And this next one, and I know you're going to want to jump in, hold your tongue. I want to approach the unapproachable more often yes visibly hold your tongue we've had a discussion over the past two years maybe well that's that's maybe over the past 12 months about the past five years people that I'm approaching the lifestyle that I'm playing with and you have made some little comments here and there of you know kind of lowering your standard a little bit and it's kind of gotten a little bit more obvious now we've actually spoken about this that if I see you know a hot couple online or in the club you'll say to me go for them they're They're hot. I'm like, yes, they are. And they will not be interested in me. So I want to approach the unapproachable for 2026, which kind of moves up into the I'm not getting any younger, you know, go over there. I want to get even fitter. I've really been trying to go to the gym and be fitter. And I have, I think my body shape in 2025 became more similar to what it was, you know, four or five years ago. So I want to keep on that path. That's definitely something that I want to do. And on Libertine front, moving away from personal moving into business, this This year, I took a very big leap in Scottsdale. It's like double the size of any event that I've ever done. It's obviously a very large financial risk for us as a couple and potentially could be great or bankrupt us. So that's a big one where I want to succeed in that. That's like on my 2026 list. I want to make sure that that's successful and I don't fuck our retirement. So just quickly, that shouldn't be on there because that's just standard work, right? This is standard work. It's kind of like lifestyle. Standard work. Okay. No, no, I mean, this is, you don't do something without the intent of actually having it work, right? This is, it concerns me that it's like, this is one of my, one of my goal for the year. No, this is not a goal. This is an absolute, this is a baseline. So what I'm hearing is you don't want me to financially ruin us. I mean, that would be, I don't mind if you financially ruin us, but I just don't want you to do it by paying other people to go to an event. I mean, if you financially ruin us, and us are doing something cool. I don't have a problem with that. Yeah, right. But covering somebody else's holiday, yeah, that's not a good way to bankrupt yourself. Ah, well, hey, but that's my 2026. Now you can feel free to make comments on my personal list. No, I don't think I will. Oh, good. Mainly because I've forgotten what they are. What were they again? I'm not going to get any younger. I want to be more bold. I want to ask for more play up front and I want to approach the unapproachable and I want to get a fitter. Okay. So there's four things plus standard work. Okay. Yeah. I mean, so the approach, the unapproachable is something that, yeah, that has become, certainly has become more dominant for you. Your reflex now is to say, I'm not attractive enough for them. That's a reflex in your, so that's something that I think would be really good for you to change in your mindset because I think there's, well, we have proof actually. We have more proof than not that there's people that are more attractive than what I consider us to be that are interested in us. We have more proof than not. So that's a good place to be. Yep. Right. I'm happy to be the ugly one in the gangbang. Goals. Hashtag goals. I will be the ugliest motherfucker in that gangbang. I don't have a fucking problem with that. True. Facts. Facts. This is absolute facts. Facts. So that's, or the ugly one in the orgy. That's, that's the title of this podcast, I think. Fuck, man. That's, that's facts. I like that. So I don't have any issue with that at all. Yeah. I embrace that wholeheartedly. I love that sorry carry on so there's there's that for sure the the sex up front thing I think I'm I'm interested in this because I think this will be a big challenge for you yeah this is a massive challenge for you because you don't I've never seen you warm up instantly this is not this is not Kate hold on I wouldn't say never because again like sucking random dick in a phone party at carp sorry yes I use the word never when I should have used the grouping of the vast majority. Fine. I'll accept it. The exceedingly vast majority. In the minuscule minority, do you ever have that urge to be sexual? Overridden. Judge override. You're not the judge. Jury. Executioner. What else? What's the joke there? There is. Just move on. Jesus. Okay. So that's the other thing. That's going to be a huge step for you. Yep. I'm curious. as to whether that'll happen, like December 31, 2026. It'll be the last night of the swingers. I'll be like the last night of the swingers party, like just trying to get a fuck in before the end of the event. December 31st, I'm like, bold, Cade is here. I'm going to be the ugly one at the fucking OG. Can we finish on that? Yeah, okay. Are you done? Are you done with my little? Yep. Cool. Yeah. All right, let's move on. Closing out, I'm not going to do the MIR and asshole because this podcast is already getting way too long. going to save that for another day. Travel next month coming up in February. Zero travel for lifestyle related items. So there we go. Going snowboarding in the first week of February. So wish us luck. Why is that not lifestyle? Why is it not lifestyle? Mainly because. You won't be able to move. Yes. Because you're too old for this shit. Dude I'm buying like bum protection for the amount of times I'm probably going to fall over. I don't think I'm going to be like swinging from the rafters of an evening. We may not need the bum protection because there might actually be enough snow that will be protected. but I think it's always so this is this to me is tantamount to wearing a helmet when you snowboard like a helmet and and ass protection yeah they're two things you need they are two things you need yeah yeah I mean maybe if you're not you know if you or if you know how to snowboard properly probably don't need still snowboarders land on their knees or their ass they're the two I mean it's it's like being a professional skateboarder on a skate ramp and not wearing knee pads yeah because that's where you land so anyway coming up next episode Episode 212, I've got another Hot Takes episode. So we're going to talk about the Hot Wife lifestyle boom, trend, evolution or opportunism. We were going to do that earlier, but I pushed that episode back. So that is coming up. 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