Want to send us a message? In this powerful episode, we tackle a pressing issue: how segments of society attempt to impose their moral beliefs on others, particularly around the swinger lifestyle. From outdated adultery laws to neighborhood outcries over private parties, we explore the various ways sexual freedom is policed and judged by those who feel they must control others choices. We also reflect on how societal repression impacts adult freedoms, and why swinging continues to spark controversy in communities. Whether you re in the lifestyle or just curious, this episode uncovers the root of societal judgment and the fight for personal freedom.Key topics discussed:How societal beliefs shape perceptions of swingingThe legal and moral judgments that impact swingersWhy people feel the need to control others sexual behaviorAn outrageous story about a neighborhood s reaction to a private Crock-Pot Party How swingers deal with public scrutiny and judgmentIf you believe in personal freedom and the right to make your own adult choices, this episode is for you!Crockpot party:https://kdvr.com/news/local/sex-clubs-more-common-than-people-think-woman-in-the-lifestyle-says/amphttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651270/amp/Swingers-party-ends-BRAWL-police-officers-wives.htmlhttps://www.denverpost.com/2014/01/03/colorado-swingers-spice-up-sex-life-at-squirrel-creek-lodge/ampAdultery laws: https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-16-states-where-its-illegal-cheat-your-wife-1887307 Support the showWant More?👀 Watch on YouTube: YouTube ShowFull video versions and interactive live episodes!Bonus episodes, exclusive content, and 🌶️Extras: https://www.patreon.com/SwingerUniversity 🛳️🎉Looking for lifestyle events in your area? T4P is the go-to directory for clubs, parties, and resort events. Browse now at Ticket4Play.com Custom SU T-shirts and gear: Our Amazon StoreSwingerLinks.com - live schedule, special offers*, and our 🌶️links!Our Website - Leave us a message, articles, and sexy products3 Ways to get your question on our show:RECORD it on our website at: https://swingeruniversity.com/contact/EMAIL a recorded voice note to: [email protected]: (916) 538-0482 and leave a voicemail.* We get a commission if you decide to purchase through our links, at no cost to you.
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Yeah, we've been talking about doing, well, we've done aspects of this topic before, and we've been wanting to do this for a while. Years. Years. And some of these stories that we're going to talk about are actually years old, but they're still relevant, and they're still topical because of everything that's going on right now in the world yes let's start with this swinging right now is huge in popular culture if you look on youtube you look at any of the other channels out there you do a search for swinging tick tock uh abc news has done several specials on it.
There's a new special coming out this Friday about swinging and Mormons and the whole thing. And it's like this reality TV. It's all out there. Yeah. It's all out there. Yes. yes awesome but what's interesting though is that there are still people who get really really upset about the personal choices that people make in their lives and this goes way beyond swinging but we're going to talk about swinging specifically today but you can kind of read between the lines and see how this can apply to other things.
Part of what we're going to talk about today is a philosophical discussion about fears and insecurities that people have. Why vanilla people feel that they need to be concerned about what everyone else does sexually as as repressed of a culture that we are why does everyone feel like they need to stick their nose into your bedroom right like they're the ones having sex with the lights off so why do they need to shine the light on you? Well, and you make an interesting point, because if you're so offended by sex, why are you even thinking about it so much? Why are you talking about it so much?
Why are you worried about what other people are doing about it? I mean, you won't talk to your kids about what they should and shouldn't do and the proper use of condoms because heaven forbid that teenagers actually have sex because guess what folks they do. It happens. And instead of hiding, you should talk to them about it. So let's, let's kind of swing it back towards the lifestyle and talk about one of the reasons why maybe this is a little bit of an issue and why some people who are watching this channel who are swingers may want to be concerned a little bit.
Come to find out, adultery is actually a crime in some states. You'd have to figure out whether swinging with consent is actually classified as adultery. I think it still would be because you're married and you're having sex with someone who you're not married to. Therefore, it is adultery, even if you're consenting we have a map we'll publish it along with the the episode um little little screenshot of it um in some states it's a ten dollar fine like in maryland whoop-dee-doo who cares right ten dollars but in other states it's actually potentially jail time for it. Yikes.
It's a legitimate concern. I guess my question would come to with this. A, how did that come about? Why did they think that adultery was so bad that it should be a law? And more specific, because I know why. because we were a Puritan nation when we were founded. It was ultra conservative people who founded the country and they had all kinds of rules about sex and what you should and shouldn't do. It seems that some states still have these laws on the books. Fascinating. Yeah, very fascinating.
We do not live in that one of those states thank goodness no we don't but but florida is one of those states and and right next to florida what alabama what else is right next there all the southern states right up to louisiana and virginia all the way north to uh virginia and and like i said maryland's there dc's not a state but you know there you go and swinging is huge in florida yeah i think utah is in here uh arizona oh i'm surprised by that because well as we know there'll be a tv show on talking about swinging in utah because they're mormons There you go. Oh, man.
But that state and the Mormon religion have history of having multiple wives. Right. Way back. But that's not adultery because they were all married. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Talk about. Wait.
Talk about a bend in the rule oh you can be a polygamist but you can't have adultery because they got their tax dollars because you were married could be because when you're married you're a corporation you get the dollars so what it comes down to is you can have five wives as a polygamist but if you sleep with a sixth woman oh then you're in trouble this is why we can't have nice things oh my goodness okay so yes the origin of this comes about from our trip to colorado and we went to a house party and we were talking to the hosts of the party and one of the stories that came up was the crockpot party oh my goodness it's it's known in the news as the crockpot party we'll have a link to the video or at least to the news articles that talk about it because I think the videos are are gone by this time um the long and short of it is there was a swinger party in a neighborhood and the police were called and the the party was broken up and it made the news okay i get calling the cops when a party is out of control somebody parked on your lawn they're throwing up all over the place whatever i get that right okay wait but you have to tell them why it was called the crockpot oh no i'll get to that oh okay okay i'll get to that okay i just had to preface building it up okay i'm building it okay i'm building it so i get drunken behavior i get the noise pollution you got the music cranked up to 11, right?
Like full on rock and roll party. Yep. But if that's not going on, then why would you call the police? Well, let's get into this story. Okay. I've got some quotes here. This is really great. Residents on Avery Way in Castle Rock say organized sex parties at one home are causing parking problems and noise. Here you go. But they are most concerned with the sexual nature of those events and any exposure to children. Huh. Another quote. Wait. Oh, are we going to get to discuss? We're going to do quotes and then we're going to go through the discussion. Oh, my God. So many.
I think it is disgusting, one neighbor said. Okay. I have comments on that, too. Keep going. Some of them are so old that they struggled walking up the stairs, the neighborhood said. Okay. Got it. Okay.
So let's talk about this for a little bit okay so let's talk about one uh the first quote that there there's and any exposure to children yeah there are no children at swinger parties if you have children at swinger parties i hope you get arrested right absolutely and i just love how people always use the children card it's the children it's the children right just to make a big like they're not even there no they make trying to make a big deal out of something that's nothing now what they were what they were most concerned with is their children having to know what was going on at the party, or what was going on at the party or see what was going on at the party this is any different than at a hotel you guaranteed 100 you're at a disney hotel oh yeah and you hear boots banging on the on the room next door to you because because people have sex in hotels because people have sex in hotels by the way you're stealing one of our stories later but we'll keep going sorry well but still like oh my god the children heard like really and i think i think part of that is parents don't want to have to explain that adults actually have sex they don't know how to have that conversation with their kids it's not that problem guess what children exist because adults had sex oh my god that's biology that's how it works if you didn't know that i'm sorry i broke the secret but the fact is that it's not like they're doing this on the front lawn they're doing it in the privacy of the house the curtains are pulled there's nobody there and in this particular party i read through some more of the details from the hosts they'd soundproof the house to minimize the amount of noise that could be heard.
They made sure that nothing that was going on was going on outside in the backyard. It was all indoors. Like most responsible swingers do. Like most responsible swinger parties. Yeah. But I think it's mostly the fear of what they don't know. I know. They're thinking, I don't know what. Goats are being sacrificed in the living room.
I don't know what goats are being sacrificed in the living room i don't know what they think goes on at swinger parties if they just watch our episodes they would know all about what happens at swinger parties why can't they have the image that i had as a teenager that sex parties were all roman grecian just like maybe that's what they're thinking and you know beds and pillows but that's bad because the lights are on no the lights are low and people are feeding you grapes and you're getting fanned and it's just this low nice hum and there's maybe harps in the background and it's just there's moaning and we got to a toga party once that was fun it was fun yeah you picked up on the child aspect of this but the the thing that i was most concerned about was the concern that they had that there were sexual things going on at the event okay my argument is how many other parties are drunken disorderly behaviors going on you're not concerned about that okay can we talk about october for a second oh my god yeah i've been waiting for this we were invited to be guest speakers for two engagements on a six-star crystal cruise ship with 310 lifestyle couples and it sails from Montreal to Boston during the peak foliage season I'm super excited and honestly I'm really nervous yeah it's kind of a version of like a swinger ted talk that we're gonna have to do oh my god i know and more importantly if you know the brand it's llv luxury lifestyle vacations you may have seen them and they're sexy playmakers with their fun red hats this ship the crystal symphony is classy butler service for every single room michelin rated restaurants full spa clothing optional sensual playrooms like everything theme nights and international dj so it's luxury and nudity oh man this is gonna be great the bottom line is we want you there with us it's 310 couples and like all their vacations they book up fast they really do their vacations are extremely popular so please come with us and in order to find it all you have to do is go to our swingerlinks.com and look for the llv sensual voyage we hope you'll join us and how many vanilla parties turn into a sex party at the hot tub just because it wasn't labeled that way.
It was the barbecue on the 4th of July instead of a swinger party. But sex still happened. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hot tubs are a gateway drug to swinging. I'm just saying. And we have a t-shirt all about that yes yes we do thank you and i think i think that the other one that i found was was really funny was some of them were so old that they struggled walking up the stairs just shaming that's just blatant i think it's great they're just jealous exactly because if I was so old that I had a walker and I was still going to swinger parties? Absolutely.
great they're just jealous exactly because if i was so old that i had a walker and i was still going to swinger parties absolutely cheers to you 100 i'm just saying cheers to you and we've heard we've heard at senior homes oh god yes the rampant sex that's going on there i mean these people are Turned up. Oh, yeah. Turned up. Yeah, they kind of have some STI problems or other issues.
So neighbors are clearly projecting their own images exactly onto this projection hence being the quote i think it's disgusting poor individual that thinks sex is disgusting i feel so bad for them so the worst part about this besides the party getting broken up which is which is unfortunate and and the hoa got involved and all kinds of crap happened oh and by the way the crock part crock pot part of this party just just so we don't like drop that lead yeah one of the guests brought food and they happened to bring it in a crock pot. But the whole thing got named the crock pot party.
So one person brought it in a crock pot. People were seen bringing crock pots in for food. I mean, it was a potluck. It happens. Right. Oh, man.
It's one thing to be offended by something and call the police it's another to illegally block the driveways of the party yes to key the cars of the party and cause who knows how much financial damage to property so breaking the law to stop a perfectly legal party that's okay because sex is happening oh my god wow that's the mentality here that's that just boggles the mind it just blows my mind it's like you're having sex i'm going to kill you what wait what that that escalated quickly like be offended sit in your house and stew about it sure but but to like actually cause somebody else's property damage that wow really this is the-up energy yeah and and guilt and shame that a lot of people have around sex and honestly it's really sad it is it is it's it's tragic and it's devastating to people's lives oh yeah have that type of belief system or shame that you live with.
It's got to be debilitating to basically be just, you're stunned at everything that goes on in the world. Yeah. To just be so... It's like cutting off a limb. I mean, you aren't fully you. Right, right. I mean, I have relatives that just coexist together in the same household. And I get sexless marriages and how that can happen. That's one story. The other one that happened was one that happened to us personally. We were at a local hotel party.
Not a takeover because we don't fully take over the hotel everyone always says they call them takeovers but yes somehow we actually know how there was a single male who bought a hotel room but couldn't get tickets so he went to the media and basically outed the party to the local news they showed up to try and find out what was going on at the sex party in the hotel he actually found us on the internet they did called us yeah they wanted us to to comment on it and i basically gave them the finger and had no interest in contributing to that nonsense. Nah, I'm not going to step in that.
And what's funny is that single male, of course, now is banned from those parties, would never be able to attend those again, potentially ruined it for everybody who was there, potentially caused who knows how much damage. If the news had actually gotten in and outed people, talk about doxing people. Holy shit. People could have lost their jobs. They could have been, who knows? Who knows what could happen? Yeah. All because of one idiot pre-buying tickets and not realizing that it was already sold out and wanted a refund. Well, and he wasn't vetted.
I mean, as a single person, you always need to be vetted. There was a whole bunch of stuff. Now, the interesting thing was the way that the news media took it and the way that they interviewed casual people who are vanilla people who happen to be walking by and the outrage about, oh, my God, they're having a sex party at a hotel. To your point, anybody who's watching this right now or listening to this podcast will tell you they've heard people having sex at hotels. That's kind of what happens at hotels.
So to be offended that people are having sex at a hotel is kind of like being offended that hotels exist. I know. It doesn't make any sense. So you're supposed to go on vacation and not have sex.
You're not supposed to have date night with your husband and have a little staycation you go downtown you get a hotel and you have sex in your hotel because you don't can't make noise at home because you have kids right but you can't do that because it's a hotel and you can't go on your honeymoon at the hotel in the honeymoon suite which by the way most hotels have and have sex why because you shouldn't be having sex at a hotel people people might people you might expose the children no you're not going to expose the children oh my god and that was the was the church lady face.
That was the church lady face. I miss the church lady face. Could it be Thayton? Could it be Thayton? So that was one of the examples.
But I'm sure anybody who's watching this can cite other examples about how this has happened or a party that's gotten broken up because the police showed up.'ve been to parties the police show up and they go guess what you're not breaking the law the music's not too loud because we can't hear it outside you just have a karen neighbor who's who's calling something on you we actually did a whole patreon episode about a party and the neighbor and all that and the karen yep but they they basically sorry to bother you but we have to we just have to do a check and you guys have a nice evening and they turn around and they walk away yes they come back an hour later in plain clothes to join the party no yes darn it i don't know there are a lot of uh a lot of correctional officers in the lifestyle i'm just saying and nurses yes here's why we sail on virgin it's adults only no kids screaming at breakfast, no family buffet lines, just champagne at noon, late night pool parties, and people who actually want to be there.
The vibe? Think boutique hotel that happens to float. Tattoo parlors, drag brunch, restaurants you'd actually pay for on land. plus when you're looking to connect with other couples who know how to have fun let's just say virgin attracts a very specific type of adventurous no wonder bread cruisers here just your people that would have been awesome that would have been great what this all comes down to is what some people call pearl clutching and inflicting your opinions on other people for those of you who do not know what pearl clutching is, it's like, oh, my God.
It's my best pearl clutching impersonation. So you're wearing a pearl necklace. Of course, this is it. Right. With a cardigan sweater. And, you know, it's church lady. It's church. It's church lady. Right. And I take it. It's a particular time in our culture, like, what, 50s? Yeah, maybe earlier. But yes, it's all about being mortified that someone's doing something that you just can't imagine. Yeah. Casting judgment. Here's the thing. My deal is you don't have to condone it. You don't agree with it. Fine. Don't bless it. Don't give it your, you know, approval. Sure. Don't participate in it.
You don't you don't like it. Don't come to the party. You don't have to. We're not dragging you in. So why do you care so much? I'll see you next time. You don't like it? Don't come to the party. You don't have to. We're not dragging you in. So why do you care so much? Why do you care what other people are doing, especially if it doesn't infect you? Because it directly goes up against their belief system. Sure. So if they were a gray person, and they're like, you know, it's not really my thing, but I really don't care what people do. That would be a gray person.
They're a very black and white person. And you get, let's say they're... It's either right or it's wrong. Yes, it's either left or it's not in between. Right. It's not one or the other. And so you've got this. You know, hard belief system, a strong opposing belief system coming up against yours. It's going to create a lot of discomfort in you.
And so it's going to create a lot of discomfort in you and so it's going to create a big reaction would you would you say highly opinionated people immovable unshakable people are going to have these types of reactions well i guess and it depends i think on what your opinion is right because you could be highly opinionated like us that say it's okay and it's perfectly acceptable behavior for adults to do what they want to do. But generally, you and I are open-minded people. There are many things that we don't like or understand or isn't for us, but we don't put upon others. That's the key.
It's a difference between having an opinion and telling other people what their opinions need to be or how they need to act. I get, and I 100% support your right to be offended. You want us to occupy your brain. I don't understand is why you could, A, come tell me that what I'm doing is wrong. I'm an adult. I get to make my own decisions. Congratulations. Yay. That's the beauty of being an adult. I turned 18. I get to do what I want. I turned 21. I get to drink if I want to. You don't have to drink if you're 21.
But if you are 21, 21 you can and that's my right to be able to do that i'll give a lifestyle example we don't enjoy heavy impact play right we're just not into that kink doesn't do anything for us but i'm not gonna ask the manager to ban it right i'm not gonna walk up and i need to speak to the manager please I'll see you next time. But I'm not going to ask the manager to ban it. Right. I'm not going to walk up and I need to speak to the manager, please. You need to stop that. I'm doing a lot of impersonations today. Because I don't think it's my right to yuck somebody else's yum.
I don't think it's my right to say what I believe everybody has to believe. Yeah. I don't believe that swinging is for everybody. And I, I like swinging, but I 100% believe that it is not for every individual.
There are, there are so many people who should just not swing absolutely absolutely just just stop don't don't do it i mean you're being a little funny about that but i understand yes it isn't for everybody just yeah if you're a serial cheater just as sports aren't for me 100 and i will probably never surf again because i don't like any sports that's just not my thing i won't watch them i won't talk about them i know nothing jack shit about them most sports the indoor sports you're 100 about that's right i do know some stuff about cycling and that's because of you yeah maybe some pickleball.
And pickleball. We're starting to learn about pickleball. Oh, my gosh. It's the biggest rage. Although we're not going to pick up breakdancing again. We saw what happened with Australia. That was not good. So, we've talked about why people shouldn't do it and kind of what happens. And let's talk a little bit about what we think kind of is driving all of this. We touched on it a little bit. Yeah, another aspect could be what? I think it's jealousy, like you said. Wishing they could be there. Wishing that they could have the freedom to express themselves even in their own relationships.
There are a lot of people who participate with swinging who do not actually swap with other couples. They just play on the bed next to other people. They just play in the same room. Why? Because it's kind of sexy fun it's very sexy yeah we met a couple from north carolina in costa rica who 100 were not swingers they were they were dedicated to each other they had made the decision that they were not going to play with other people it's unfortunate because they were very sexy and we spent a lot of them. We did. And I think we ended up going to a playroom and playing next to them.
I don't think we did. We didn't end up playing. We missed it. We missed an opportunity with them. They were leaving just as we were coming in. Yeah. But they weren't offended by it. No.
They weren't jealous of it because they're like, hey, do your thing we've got our own thing we're able to express how we feel in our relationship we're having a great time we just like being in the sexy atmosphere yeah and you know what no offenses we're taken yep yep they were so cute i love them i can see them right now their faces yeah because we spent a lot of time talking we did we spent a lot of vanilla time talking with them it was it was great they're so fun and i wish they were supposed to build a um an a naked airbnb in north carolina that's right i wonder if they that.
I don't know if they did. I reached out to her about a year ago to see if they'd check up on that. I should check up on that. North Carolina, here we come. Because she said we were always welcome. Although North Carolina, I think, was one of those states where we could be arrested for it. I don't know. Maybe we don't go. Although, if we're going with them, then we wouldn't be committing adultery because they wouldn't swap with us. That's right. Oh, we're safe. We're back on. It's just nudism. That's it. Trips back on. Okay, cool. As far as I know, being naked in North Carolina is not illegal.
And naked in public? Yeah, I guess. Or outside. The other one, and I'm going to go there, and this is gonna cause problems maybe i don't know it's religion we talked about the puritans and founding the country on kind of that belief system right not that the country was founded on christianity but that a lot of those kind of religious beliefs came over at that time there were a whole bunch of different religious beliefs that came over at the same time. But kind of that foundational belief is that there's this moral code and there's a set of rules that have to be followed.
And there are, there's a segment of that population that believes that it is their moral imperative to tell other people, to save other people, what it comes down to. Right. And they think that it's their duty to save us from our sins. Right.
that's great but I think most people who are adults and who are making adult decisions have already decided what they want to do and don't necessarily want to be told by other adults what to do and what not to do i'll give them an example imagine satanists coming in and it's their moral imperative to tell evangelicals how they have to act uh-huh how offended would evangelicals be if the satanists walk up to them and no no you you're not supposed to do that you're supposed to sacrifice the goat right not that say this sacrifice goat. I'm making things up.
A nonsensical example just to prove a point. I know. This happens all the time. The atheists and the... What's the other one? Agnostics. Agnostics. We don't say anything, right? They don't say anything. No, we want adults to make up their own minds. And the very religious think that they can just put a pawn. And sometimes I feel like saying, you know, if you do it, why can't I do it? Right. I had a friend, a coworkerworker one time, say to me, she's like, yeah, when people say, I'll pray for you, she goes, I'll light a candle for you. Like a witch, because she was Wiccan. Oh.
So she said, I'll light a candle for you. Wow, that could be, you could interpret that Roman Catholicly. That's true. Yes, so they may have not gotten it, but when she described that she was Wiccan, it's an inside joke, though. Yeah. But I think that that's, I think that's the key difference in why you and I really like the swinging community because we are open-minded. It doesn't matter. We do not yuck other people's young. No.
We are not there to tell people that they have to be a size two and have a particular physical appearance or like a particular thing or you're not a swinger if you don't do full swap. We don't judge people. there's a lot of religious beliefs in the lifestyle and i i know a lot of mormons who are oh by the way there's a tv show coming out this break um there are a lot of religious minded people who are in the lifestyle we've met them absolutely we've met lots of them. Yeah, very nice people. Sure. I know. But they're also clearly not forming the opinions that we're talking about here.
Putting their beliefs upon other people. You know, it's kind of silly. They're open-minded, obviously. At least about swinging. Yeah. Who knows about anything else? Yeah. Which kind of brings me to the last thing before we do our wrap-up, which is... Thank you. At least about swinging. Yeah. Who knows about anything else? Yeah. Which kind of brings me to the last thing before we do our wrap up, which is this. We've been joking a little bit about this, but it's not really a joking matter. It's actually really serious.
And it's a big problem in this country where we feel like we have the right to help to tell other people how to live their lives there's a difference between telling people not to do something for public safety drinking and driving for example yeah or to wear helmets because the burden on the system, everybody paying for funerals and ambulance services, etc., have to pay for somebody who's maimed themselves and blown themselves all over the freeway. By the way, I ride motorcycles. I'm 100% for helmet laws because I understand what happens.
But that's not what this is about this isn't about public safety this isn't about protecting your neighbors from something happening and as much as you think children might be involved unless they're drilling holes through the walls and peeping in they're not going to see anything because that's it's not that kind of party and children are never at the homes or in the hotels room so there is would there they would even be there to drill the hole i know it's ridiculous it just doesn't happen so yes we as a country need to Stop telling adults what to do unless it's a matter of public safety or national security or something.
Right? I know. Like setting fireworks off and blowing up your neighbor's house. Don't do it. It's bad. But swinging? Nobody's getting hurt. Except for maybe a little impact play but then you know there's consent what about the stis oh yeah okay devil's advocate all right let's play devil's advocate stis sure now what if swinging gets out of control right everyone's doing it and now the stis are going up up up up if you're not having sex with swingers, then you're not going to catch them. That's true.
So if you are monogamous and you are staying home and you have the lights off and you're having sex with your partner, you're not going to catch an STI from the neighbors across the street. It doesn't work like that. Unless you're also sharing needles with that neighbor. And if you're doing that, that's a whole if you're doing that that's a whole other thing yeah that's a whole other thing yeah the the epidemic of stis if potentially let's let's carry that further let's say it does become epidemic and it becomes a burden on the health care system yeah i think that would would be a problem.
But the problem isn't swinging. The problem is STIs. Or the problem is using appropriate protection, which for most STIs, not all, is a condom. Absolutely. That is the biggest reducer of it. And getting tested regularly helps you to know whether you are infected with something. So that you can address that with an antibiotic or whatever is needed. And or stop playing within the community so you don't spread it. Right. Right. Yes. It's no different than if you were a single person. Right. Absolutely. Although single people shouldn't be having sex out of wedlock, right? Oh, my God. That's right.
That's just wrong. Fornicators. Fornicators. Oh, my God. So, in conclusion. Yes. Let's wrap this up because this is just a nightmare. nightmare swinging may not be for everyone but neither is baseball knitting or skydiving wait okay baseball i agree knitting yeah i haven't mastered that cross stitch i have at and i have done skydiving you have done skydiving but you know there are a lot of people who are not interested in skydiving. Oh, that's right. But if you are, the adrenaline rush is real. There you go. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe. I don't. Can't say.
Should anyone be allowed to force their personal choices on other adults? Like I said, barring public safety. This is a question that I'm asking you guys. What about the choices of consenting to adults in the privacy of their homes? Should adults be able to have vibrators, for example, which are, by the way, they're trying to ban contraception and vibrators.
There were laws in Texasas for a long time about ordering vibrators it was an offense if and you could you could be breaking the law because you oh my god i'm gonna say it fucking bought a vibrator it's ridiculous it's one thing to have an opinion it's another to inflict your opinion on other people. Let us know in the comments whether you agree with us or you think we're just barking up the wrong tree. I thought you were going to say batshit crazy. Well, that too. Or you can call us at our number, 1-916-538-0482. Tell us all of your thoughts if you want to.
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