Want to send us a message? Is the swinging lifestyle all Sport Forking? Can you make love to someone who isn t your primary partner? This episode breaks down the difference between the two styles of sex and what our lovemaking session was like with one of our favorite couples. SHOW NOTES:Lovemaking in the LifestyleForkingvin the LifestyleSexy Encounter with Mr. Mrs. RedDefining my Sexual ExperienceSexual Preferences Support the showWant More?👀 Watch on YouTube: YouTube ShowFull video versions and interactive live episodes!Bonus episodes, exclusive content, and 🌶️Extras: https://www.patreon.com/SwingerUniversity 🛳️🎉Looking for lifestyle events in your area? T4P is the go-to directory for clubs, parties, and resort events. Browse now at Ticket4Play.com Custom SU T-shirts and gear: Our Amazon StoreSwingerLinks.com - live schedule, special offers*, and our 🌶️links!Our Website - Leave us a message, articles, and sexy products3 Ways to get your question on our show:RECORD it on our website at: https://swingeruniversity.com/contact/EMAIL a recorded voice note to: [email protected]: (916) 538-0482 and leave a voicemail.* We get a commission if you decide to purchase through our links, at no cost to you.
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And use our code at checkout. And you guys, if you have any questions about the event, the resort, or what to expect, just reach out. I mean, we're here for you. We're happy to help. So once again, TicketForPlay.com forward slash Swinky, the code SwingerU-VIP. We really want to see you there. Welcome to Swinger University, your horizontal enrichment program. Slip into something more comfortable. It's class time. Here are your hosts, Ed and Phoebe. Hi, this is Ed. And this is Phoebe. Today we're talking about sport-fucking versus love-making in the lifestyle.
We've mostly encountered sport-fucking while swinging, but recently had a love-making session with another couple. This episode breaks down the difference between the two styles of sex and what it was like. This may be a bit controversial, so if you have additional questions or comments after this episode, please email us your thoughts. We'd love to hear your perspective on it. Let's get fucking, or talking about fucking, or lovemaking. Or both. Is there a difference between fucking and lovemaking? Thank you. Thank once. Oh, so there you go. What defines those two different terms? Yes.
So here's what Webster says love making sexual activity between lovers especially sexual intercourse all right so then i was like okay well then what's defined what's a lover right a partner in a sexual or romantic relationship outside marriage. And I was like, what? And then I read more. A person who likes or enjoys something specific.
So now I was like, oh, dang, Webster, you've defined lover almost like a swinger right because it pretty much is just an a sexual relationship right so that would make all of us lovers which would make the act of engaging with that love making isn't specific to just the one you love right so let's get on with the other definitions okay so to fuck to have sex with someone and it's great we we've been watching this little documentary series on the origin of the word fuck nicholas cage does a great job yes talking about it a bunch of comedians so if you get a chance to watch that it's freaking hilarious it's great it's it's all the cuss words and anyway fuck is the first one and it's great and he says it so many different ways it's awesome oh yeah it's it's a fabulous word sport fuck casual sex with friend or other person requiring no commitment to have a good time.
Now, I usually describe or use the word sportfuck to describe something a little bit more visceral than this. Right.
In my mind, when I hear sportfuck, it's's very active very athletic right like a sport and uh semi-violent not not like not kinky violent but just it's not soft yes like it's it's a pounding yes we're talking like the headboard smacking up against the hotel room wall kind of fucking yeah but and so ed and i did something new which is what spurred on this whole podcast because you know something happened and i had i was like wow this was a whole other experience and then i thought about it and i tried to define it and analyze it and all those things that i like to do so so we traveled for a hotel play date never did that never done that before it was easy it was exciting and very surprising yes in a good good way and the surprising part was in reference to these definitions and like i said earlier i was quite surprised by my perspective right you had a you were trying to put words to describe how different it was.
Yes. And so we'll get to that. Okay. So you already have kind of a window into what I'm going to talk about, but here's the scene. we decided to take an out of town trip to meet our super hot red couple whom we've played with before at other venues but going out of town and getting a hotel room and staying the night and doing the dinner and all that stuff this is all new like i said right so we did we got the room we went to dinner fabulous dinner it was Mexican food it was great so great so so great margaritas it was good yes we go back to the hotel we change the Mrs.
Red and I change into lingerie we have a few more drinks not a lot because we'd had some at dinner and we were talking and chatting and then things happened we had sex and then we slept in the same room it was a super cool swinger slumber party which was new and different woke up the next day and it was like that done end of podcast bye see you later no just kidding okay so here's what happened sex with Mr. Red what I like about sex with Mr.
Red is he's very present it's not a race there's full eye contact and this full connection to what feels good in the moment the sex was very sensual and fun wasn't about hammer time in fact he was giving me oral and he was down there and he's like all right and he's like i'm sure you've had enough i'm like no no you need to get back like, no, no, you need to get back down there. I told him to get back down there. It was really nice. And oral for me is very challenging because I'm going to hit and miss. It is. I'm extremely sensitive.
And so I gave him a little direction, like maybe one or two or three hints, like not a lot lot he knew exactly what to do with that information and went to town and i was like oh my god stay down there oh god that was so good i'm getting warm already okay even with mrs red and ed on the other cup on the other side of the room on the other bed because there's two queen beds in the room i wasn't there i wasn't distracted i was just in the moment over there i was doing i was in that moment and so here here's i don't know we we were probably i don don't know, how long did this sex session go on?
While you and Mrs. Red were... Quite a while. Over there. Yeah, we were up late that night. It felt like hours. And we took a break and then we all went back at it again. And it, what was so cool was that after I described this session with Mr. Red as lovemaking and it wasn't creepy at all.
And so I'm talking to Ed and I'm like, you know, it felt like lovemaking, but not in a in a weird way not in a like a you with sex with you kind of ed way and so i know all of you are like freaking out right now so let me try to break this down so my my ability and mentally emotionally separate the difference between the lovemaking experiences with ed versus mr red fascinated me which is why i was telling you i looked up these definitions and this perspective i will tell you is way different than my perspective 10 years ago and so when i say lovemaking it was was intimate, it was intentional, and an appreciation of my entire body.
That's what that experience was. And I wasn't just a hole to be fucked, which, you know, can happen in a lifestyle and happens to, you know, the best of us and almost made me stop from staying in the lifestyle. Sure. It wasn't that much fun. But I will say it has to do with the quality of the people that both Mr. and Mrs. Red are.
I mean, knowing their mental and emotional fortitude and they have to rise above that extreme, you know know they had some extreme adversity in their life and hang on to their humanity and empathy and kindness like that's what makes them so special and we have a few friends like this in our life that are just true true diamonds and and maybe this that's what it is maybe it's this that this connection to people the that nirvana that we we always heard about you know when we first started in the lifestyle we're like oh you know this connection to this couple and we're like yeah we're like that never exists because we had the damnedest time trying to find those connections with people and now i get it though why when you can find the connection well it's really good i wasn't ready for that type of vulnerability there's that too because i i didn't i wasn't confident that it was was going to not threaten our connection right we talked about that early on and that we didn't want to break what we had exactly and you know going into this and you know getting it attached and and i wouldn't say that we have an an emotional attachment to them but we have a we have a very strong friendship with them and a very strong social bond with them and obviously a sexual bond with them because we have a great time every time we get together with them right yeah and so it was just like the most interesting and i want say best, but there's a lot of bests.
It was the best lovemaking session outside of my relationship with Ed that I've ever had. There you go. The best sex. While I was married or partnered with somebody. I mean, because I've had other boyfriends and stuff, so but yeah but you know what i mean it was crazy it was it was kind of wild so so i probably should have gone out of more details but we'll let you go and talk about yours yeah so i so I had a very, I had a similar experience with Mrs. Red.
There's lots of foreplay and kissing, which was a little frustrating for her because she's so used to the interactions where it's kind of like wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. She likes single guys, and so she's really into that kind of different experience than what she gets with mr red which i think that's just his style like how he was playing with phoebe's that's just how he goes yeah so it could be yeah so i was teasing her a little bit oh yeah kind of dragging it out Yes. I like foreplay and I like kissing and she's a good kisser. So I was there for a while.
And you were down between her legs for a while. Oh, yeah. I do love to eat me some. And she was begging for it. Yes.
I heard that on the other side of the room and i was just dying i was like oh yeah that's awesome yeah and and so that that's the thing i i was like i said i was teasing her so a little bit of the you know slapping the penis on the clit kind of thing and rubbing and just everything but what she was asking for um in a good way right like yeah not in a wrong hole kind of way right but you know and she was complaining using our quotes here yeah yeah and it was great so what was interesting though is that i i think because the style that she likes and prefers i was kind I don't know.
And it was great. So what was interesting, though, is that I think because the style that she likes and prefers, I was kind of playing off of that. And it was a little bit more on the fucking side of that sensuality. Right. But it wasn't straight on, you know, support. Thank you, ma'am. Right. And I'm done.
Right right um i took my time i worked her up really good and we destroyed that bed oh yeah you did and and we even had we even had one of the sport blankets down to to like yeah protect but i think the second round is what actually did us in but see you were a good fuck partner dance partner right just like with kissing right you followed her lead exactly but i was still doing things i was whispering things in her ear i was kissing her neck i was caressing her i was having a good time just kind of exploring her she's physically very different than phoebe and it's fun to play with somebody who's different absolutely yeah different bodies are so they're different they're fun they're interesting it's so amazing they're nice to explore.
It's that variety, right? Yeah. But the whole thing was still playful and light. We were having fun. Like, we were laughing. We would look over every once in a while at the other bed and see Phoebe and Mr. Red. And I was making comments back and forth with her about, oh, he's really given it to her. I think she's enjoying that.
because i still like to check in on phoebe and see if she's she's doing well or at least having a good time yeah but it was still passionate and intense yeah because we were both into it yeah and it was a lot of fun um and it was hot and we were both really horny so it was yeah all kinds of fun so so wait go ahead yeah so we were still very focused on what we were doing but we were still kind of paying attention to what was going on in the room okay can we talk about october for a second oh my god yeah i've been waiting for this we were invited to be guest speakers for two engagements on a six-star crystal cruise ship with 310 lifestyle couples and it sails from montreal to boston during the peak foliage season i'm super, I'm really nervous.
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what was why do you think this was so different do you be do you think because we were it's been different what was why do you think this was so different do you be do you think because we were it's been different with them every single time right and i was thinking it was because this was the third time that we'd played with them but the first two times were fascinating just as fun i wonder if it's just because one the individuals that they are it's just so easy to be around it's so comfortable they're passionate fun just real real individuals like when i say real there's no like barriers or yeah they're super honest and there's like yeah there's no walls yeah there's no walls Thank you.
say real there's no like barriers or yeah they're super honest and there's like yeah there's no walls yeah there's no walls and and we've had that privacy just to play in in a room with just one couple and we don't really have the opportunity to do that often if we're at a party and we go into a room and close a door which we have done you're still you're not in there for a very long period of time because you're at a party and other people want to use the room so you're kind of knock knock people will knock or that's the only bathroom in that particular you get the parade of you get the parade to use the bathroom yeah so or you know the only other time we've had that privacy is that like at the hotels I'm going to show you what I'm going to do.
the bathroom yeah so or you know the only other time we've had that privacy is that like at the hotels um right but we frequent a lot of parties so you're not in that situation often unless you're setting up a date yeah and the interesting thing the last two times we ended up so to speak in our room so there wasn't this impetus to be done and leave right it was it was our room we could take as much time as we wanted to right um and i think the first time we played with them we were still up until i think four in the morning yeah and there were there was another couple in the room uh with us and they were fun too and we had a great time with them as well but the connection specifically with mr and mrs red was different like we we just we kind of get them like it just clicks yeah i know it's it's awesome so now i'm going to talk about sport fucking like how ed defines sport fucking right because i did see something at a party yeah and and we wanted to throw this in as a as a contrast because this almost disturbing to watch.
For me, it was. I had to leave. I was a little disturbed by it, too. Oh, you were? Oh, yes. Well, I feel better now. Okay, so sport fucking think, campus frat party, drinking, lots of flirting, quick decisions, falling on a bed, and just getting busy. getting busy yeah i've done that cruise ship playroom downstairs wall-to-wall people bent over fucking right it was so fun i mean yes lots of fucking sport fucking yeah but but still that's kind of your run-of-the-mill average just just one-night stand kind of sex. Yes, yes. The light version of sport pucking.
Yeah, it's still mostly fun and not like you're trying to hurt someone. Yes. Okay, so here we are at our Unicorn Friends house party. This is what I call extreme sport of the gang. Right? We think it's going to be an exhibition sport in the next Olympics. Extreme. Yeah. Oh, that would be fun. That would be fun. I wouldn't participate.
Put me i i i i don't know i couldn't participate and i couldn't watch so okay never mind i don't like that yeah all right so it bordered on snm kink is my is how i define it right in terms of like almost dominating them, but, but in, in an animalistic sense and not in a controlling sense. Right. And it took me a while to process it afterwards because I had such a strong reaction to it. So here's this, this man and he was, I'm not kidding you. He was literally the Hulk at five foot tall. Like he looked like the Hulk, just shorter, massive man, just massive.
And I think his nose even had muscles. It was crazy. Okay. So there was a couch and anyone could could walk by it was on this like landing area so there was a couch and a man seated on the couch right there was a woman on her hands and knees on the floor giving the guy on the couch a blowjob right there was another woman off to the side of her shoulder kneeling and you know close by and watching Thank you.
a blowjob right there was another woman off to the side of her shoulder kneeling and you know close by and watching monitoring is what i decided later was happening and then mr hulk was behind the woman giving the blowjob and he he was fucking her now he was in this squat low low squat position mind you she's on her knees so you know he had to be really low because the woman wasn't that tall and he's short and he's grabbing her hair and he is just fucking her and the here is the rhythm that's how fast it was right and i was like and he looked and he was sweating and he was breathing heavy and i was looking at the guy on the couch getting a blowjob and i was like oh my god hopefully she's got a big mouth and she's not going to use teeth and the the blowjob wasn't gentle at all either like she was getting hammered from both ends oh god see i know i could only focus on mr hulk at the on at the at the end so i had a really strong reaction to that and i thought oh that looks that looks um it looks too for me.
So I just had to turn around and leave the room. What I didn't realize later was the woman off to the side was his wife and she was making sure the other woman was okay.
So I think it was that kind of dom submissive type of permission that they had with this other couple that i clearly knew them very well because i saw them engaging um in the at the party later and so they were obviously very they seemed very comfortable with one another in order to go to this level of extreme for sport fucking and and apparently very comfortable with the nature of that sex yeah and that's totally not our style so i say more power to them that they have that level of comfort but i was like oh hell no i am not down for that but i applaud them for experimenting and doing something which was clearly pleasurable they liked it i just i just couldn't watch it it was just a little too violent for me it's outside of our wheelhouse yeah yeah now maybe in the past if i'd had different life experiences that display of extreme sport bucking maybe wouldn't affect me the way it does but because of those life experiences that i've had in the past that was my reaction so there you go well and everybody likes to fuck a different way yeah some women need a lot more stimulation and apparently this woman needed a lot of stimulation she just wanted to be pounded and controlled i get a good pounding but this this was i know it was described it was really it was extreme hard so my neck would have been broken the next day are different sex preferences i would say mr and mrs red are like kind of zero inhibitions I'm going to take a look at this.
preferences i would say mr and mrs red are like kind of zero inhibitions you know with them right in terms of trying to classify the openness and the the level of communication and the level of kind of sincerity with yeah action yeah yeah you can ask and say anything and it's just accepted or or if it's not you know something you you say what you want and it's you know everything's on the table for the most part yeah yeah but if you if you say something that you don't want they're like okay fine yeah no whatever yeah no judgment zone now we had another couple well two other couples one couple sadly is not in the lifestyle anymore that um that was local to us and then there was this cruise couple that we that we played with and that was more what i would call like explorative sex where we were trying new things and you know experimenting it was experimenting we haven't tried that before yeah that'll be fun let's whip out that toy let's try this let's do this and that let's do like girl on girl let's do double-ended dildo let's do a strap on let's do this let.
Let's do two. I mean. They're the bucket list couple, right? Like they've got their list and they're happy to share it with you and see if we can knock some stuff off. Yeah. But it's fun and it's playful and it's, you know, yeah. It's exploring. It's exploring. And, and I like, I like couples like that because it's, it's really fun. You get to learn and discover new things together and it's exciting. Learning is fun. Learning is fun. And then there's the, you know, love making sex, which too, we, I, I always have with you and then what we do fucking too. Occasionally.
We like to get down and dirty. And then, yeah. And then, you know, Mr. Red and Mrs. Red are back on. They're just kind of everything. Yeah, we'll have to get back together with them soon. Yeah. Maybe we should invite them to podcast a palooza. Mm-hmm. By the way, it's coming up. If you're listening to this episode prior to June 2022, it's happening and we'll be announcing it soon. In a different way. We're actually tweeting it already. Yes. but if you get to go, that's where you get to meet your lovely podcasters and have a great time and play at this resort. And there's, oh my God.
It looks fabulous. It's a whole hotel takeover. Yeah. Some people get into the lifestyle to explore their sexuality and experiment while others like to fixate on one thing this could be a bucket list as ed was mentioning with a rotation of new couples and very few intimate connections there's no right or wrong only how you want to explore the lifestyle Maybe you have vanilla friends you only go to dinner with, and some you confide everything to. The lifestyle offers so many ways to grow and expand your sexuality, or just focus on a few kinks.
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