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When I was single, I always had this weird suspicion that the profiles that I was looking through on, in this particular case it was match yeah uh were fake and i couldn't ever figure out how to tell if they were fake or if they were real but i'd send messages to these women and i had a pretty good dating profile you had an excellent dating profile like professional professional photos and everything. Right. It was good. And I'm a decent looking guy and I am fairly well spoken and wrote nice emails to people to kind of introduce myself and kick the conversation off. Crickets.
In like the six months that I was on match, I got nothing. Not a single response. Crazy. Anyway, recently, Swinger University, as some of you listeners know, or as you'll know now, we publish all of our episodes on YouTube, as well as our Libsyn account for the podcast. We've got grand visions for things that we'd like to do on YouTube. This is actually one of the first episodes that we're going to record, which will have a visual component to it. So I'm going to record some screen clips as I walk through this episode and kind of talk you through what our experience was.
So I'm going to go ahead and start my... Do we get to see naked boobs? There will be semi... Erotic? Semi-erotic photographs, but they're all G-rated because they're publicly accessible boobies so here we go this is the this is the episode this is fake dating sites we stumbled into this rabbit hole of deceit through uh basically youtube scammers we We stumbled on them because they started using our name, Swinger University, and one of our taglines in the title for their YouTube videos.
I was pissed off, followed the rabbit hole, started looking at who this this was and it was a website called australiaswingers.com and they were basically stringing together random images and random audio like they were speaking over these like slideshows but they were showing a whole bunch of other people like open love 101 average swingers a bunch of other podcasters they had our pictures up there on this kind of slideshow bullshit that they had right and if you followed the channel if you went up to the head channel it was like some random vanilla person's name like andrea butler or something like that i mean it was it was silly it didn't make any sense it wasn't content but they were using keywords to try and trigger a whole bunch of people to click through to go to that website, australiaswingers.com.
Oh, so this directly affects listeners or potential listeners. Potentially, yeah.
If people were listening and they were looking for, you know, Swinger University, they were looking for OpenLove101 or, you know, actualinger information they might find this video click on their link think they're going to their site when they're not right i'll make it even worse they were so dumb that they didn't actually put a clickable link in any of their videos oh so they didn't get't get very far, but I still issued a bunch of takedown notices for them because like I said, they're using our pictures and our logo in a few places without our permission. It's not okay.
We do not endorse them. We do not endorse any of the sites that we're going to show you in this video. So here we go. I followed the rabbit trail. This is where it gets all geeked out. So if you're in a geeky mood, listen in. And it's more than geeking out. I geek out about it because I've got skills in the web to do certain things. But you're going to benefit from that because I'm going to tell you, all of you listeners, how to very quickly tell if a site is real or not and whether those profiles are real or not. It's actually a really easy test. I'll get into that.
So could they transfer some of this information to any other website? Any other website. Oh, that's good. Including checking people's profile pictures on legitimate swinger sites. This is going to be good, you guys. So this technique, there's a technique that I'm going to demonstrate in this video, but I'm also going to talk about it because I'm doing a visual thing, but I have to do a podcast too. So this will be a little tricky, but we're going to try and do it. Got it. All right. You can do it. I have confidence.
So I went to australiaswingers.com and I started clicking around on the website. So let see if i can go to that that site first so here is australiaswingers.com yep sexy lady sexy lady lounged backwards on nice leather sofa yep um what's interesting about this is on the surface this looks totally legit looks like a dating site, right? You pick your profile, your I am male, female, couple, CD, trans. You basically click one of those and you can click next. And you can even see some things up in the corner where you've got all these signs of logging in. We value your privacy.
There's a little banner that pops up down at the bottom. It feels legit. I followed the breadcrumbs, the rabbit. And you'll notice in this video, I have 100 tabs open. So for those who are listening, picture a browser window with 100 tabs open so for those who are listening picture a browser window with a hundred tabs open one it's terribly unproductive but two i stopped looking when i hit a hundred oh my so i bookmarked them all and i've opened them up in a single browser window just so that i can kind of page through some of the things that you're going to find. Okay, wait.
So this company has created at least 100 different web pages? Yes. OMG. And it's not a single company. So I'll rephrase that a little bit. there are a couple companies that are doing things like this. A lot of these sites are all associated with each other.
But needless to say, with just this one path that I went through the internet, this one rabbit that I was chasing down the hole, I found a a hundred sites which tells you there are other rabbits and there are hundreds of other sites right because you know how rabbits multiply yes this is all over the internet and i think it's really important that everybody who's who's listening and watching this can see what to look for. All right. Save their pocketbook. Yeah. And there's a component to this, which is these are scam sites. They're not actually really swinger sites.
And they will get your credit card and start charging you on a monthly basis. And if they were actually providing a service like helping you hook up with other swingers, that would be fine.
But I can almost guarantee, except for the other suckers who signed up for their credit card, there are no other swingers yeah so here we go first thing to look for and and i'm gonna kind of point this out at the top here this online dating guardian protected all right so it's this little like seal of approval in the upper corner looks great yeah it looks totally official like i must be so it's this little, like, seal of approval in the upper corner. Yeah, looks great. Yeah, it looks totally official. Like, I must be protected. There's this online dating guardian protected thing.
It doesn't go anywhere. There is no organization called online dating guardian protected. Like, it's not a thing. Oh. This is a, and you can see it down in the corner of your browser. If you mouse over this, it says JavaScript scroll signup. So there's a JavaScript that runs when you click on this to get you to just sign up. So if I scroll to the, if I scroll around on the page and I click that again, it's going to scroll the page back up to the top to get you to sign up. So is not real is all bullshit. It's just a fake sticker. It makes you feel good. Yeah, it makes you feel good.
It looks like a gold star, but it's not really a gold star. It's like a shield. It's like a gold shield. I know, but you get a gold star from your teacher, but it's not really. This one's made of poop. Oh. So there you go. The other thing, too, is you can kind of scroll through, and I'm scrolling down the page, and you can see a whole bunch of stuff. They talk up a good game here. Meet local users for fun times. Discreet, swinging fun. I'll agree to this, but then down here at the bottom, you can see that they accept MasterCard, Visa.
They've got some more online guardian stuff, which when you click the one at the bottom, takes you back to the top of the page because it's the same JavaScript to sign up. And there's another gold lock in a shield. It does the same thing. It takes you back up to the signup. So there's nothing here. Now, first thing to notice on this site is it is powered by Desdemona limited terms and conditions, privacy policy, and blah. So they got their little legal disclaimer down at the bottom. So this is a company called Desdemona Limited, Terms and Conditions, Privacy Policy, and blah.
So they got their little legal disclaimer down at the bottom. So this is a company called Desdemona Limited. All right. Remember that. Got it. Now, what's interesting is, oh, look, here's a whole series of profile pictures. And it says some of our users. Well, already this is crap because if I and you right click on this and choose search Google for image. So if you right click on any image on the Internet, most sites will let you do this. Sometimes they block the right click. This one doesn't.
And if I search Google for that particular image, what's interesting is you will find a whole bunch of other swinger websites that use that exact photograph. In other words, Just Bang Me, Club Aphrodite. Let's see. What's the other one? IrelandSwingers.com. Oh, wait. What? IrelandSwingers.com. Wait, but I'm in Australia because I'm AustraliaSwingers.com. So if I'm an Australian couple and I want to hook up with somebody, apparently I have to fly to Ireland to actually hook up with them because this photo is also on an Irish swingers website.
So, yeah, I mean, there's a possibility that that individual signed up for more than one site. But the fact that they're in two different countries, that right there says that's not something don't smell right. Something don't smell right. So I clicked on the next profile, a little right clicky thing. Oh, look at this. Wife swapping247co.uk. Wait, what?
I was in Australia I went from australiaswingers.com and now I'm looking at a UK picture so this is two pictures so far both of them go back to the United Kingdom one in Ireland and one in Great Britain someplace who knows where here's another uh website connect for fun swingers uh swinger finder co.uk cord global conscious open relationship dating there's two whole pages of results uh wife swapping 24 7 oh that was the same one that we had before all right let's close this guy let's go back let's pick uh let's pick one of these single ladies why not search google for image there she is at the top there's the same image and if i scroll down oh look at this womenlookingforse.co.uk.
Naughtyswingers.co.uk. Sensualswingers.co.uk. Hornhub.com. Club Afertite. So you can kind of see where I'm going with this. Every single one of these pictures is reused on a whole bunch of different swinger sites.
What they've done is they've purchased stock photography of couples, and they're using it on their website to entice you listeners to sign up, give them a credit card, start chatting, and they are automatically withdrawing money from your accounts wait what if i okay so wait what if i go ahead i do it and i realize later after i've watched this podcast that i'm being screwed in the ass and i don't like it well yeah yeah how do i cancel my how do i cancel my credit card that'll be a little tricky because a lot of times these sites make it very difficult for you to cancel.
First thing you should do is probably call your credit card company and report it as being fraudulent. Most of your credit card companies will help you with stuff like this. because it's international you may have problems interesting all the more reason to do your research before you sign up all right so i'm going to click across now we're in canada cool canadian swingers yeah our northern neighbors now what's interesting is hey wait a second that's the same couple two four three somebody just Now, what's interesting is, hey, wait a second. That's the same couple.
243, somebody just ripped me off again. So they're in UK, Ireland, and Canada? Yeah. It's interesting. Wow, they get around. They fly. They have a private jet, apparently. And they are hooking up with everybody on all of the continents. Now, more than likely, like I said, these are all stock photographs. Yeah. And they're, I mean, they're real people, but they're not real swingers and they're not really on this site. It's just garbage.
And how disappointed would you be if you were canadian swinger and you'd signed up on a site hoping to find a hookup with somebody and that all of these profiles are fake wow and what bothers me isn't that you can meet hot couples like there's background images on the site of just models in lingerie little speedos and stuff like i get websites using stock photography to create a sexy vibe right but these this site specifically says and i quote some of our users it's right there they are lying on the very first page of their website wow yeah but how many is some maybe maybe there's only well some is more than one well the good news if you're an irish swinger a lot of those pictures are in the uk and you can see that there's some of the same people in here.
Let's see. Ireland's best swinger site. This is irisswingers.ie. Oh, same profile pictures. I noticed the redhead. Swingers zone, local swingers, contacts. I mean, I could go through a whole bunch of these, but the real interesting thing with this is none of them are real. Like that's what this all comes down to. There's every combination of swinger and kink and BDSM and poly and you name a catchphrase, a tag, they've used it. They've created a domain for it and they are sucking people in. Wow. Yeah. It's. Okay. Can we talk about October for a second? Oh my God. Yeah.
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What else would I be able to potentially notice on these websites that might give me some sort of clue as to them being a cookie cutter format that's perhaps being used by the same company to scam me out of my money. It's pretty hard to, without doing this Google search, to start seeing that the same images are being used by a whole bunch of different dating sites, there are, and I'm looking for it here, there's, ah, here we go. So here's threesomedating.com.
What I noticed was there's actually a website, and I'll post a link in the notes notes the show notes for it called dating spot 24 now i stumbled across this because some of that stock photography showed up here because they caught on to this too and what's interesting is this is for you know the usa and canada and they talk about um they rate and review dating sites so they've rated and reviewed ashley madison e-harmony um international cupid but some of these other sites started showing up on their list and what's interesting is if you start reading it the online dating platform casualsexonly.com advertises with a free registration and casual hookups for everyone after doing sufficient research we can tell you that this is not the place to go for real sex dates casualsexonly.com is awfully expensive on top of that it is a fake chat scam so it's a known scam oh my gosh and what's really cool is this website talks they have a whole section in here called dating ripoff and dating ripoff the latest articles there's a whole bunch of articles in here about dating sites and how they rip you off the subscription uh how to recognize a fate chat ripoff so they probably have bots or they've got like a call center where they interact with you making you feel like you're actually engaged with real couples but nothing's ever going to happen my gosh and it becomes this subscription trap where they they get you in they've got your credit card and off you go so let's see there's another one in here um they talk about how to recognize it um and and they they're pushing ashley madison and e-harmony and but they basically say, you know, check their website, double check using a search engine, and then take a quick look at the terms and conditions.
Now, we all hate reading those freaking terms and conditions, but in this particular case, it might make sense. My best advice?
Go with a more mainstream dating site look at sls look at cassidy um double date nation double date nation um look at recognize swinger communities reddit.com for example they have a swingers group and look for dating sites and dating profile sites through those avenues doing a random google search and finding swingerswillburnyourcreditcard.com uh probably not such a good thing oh this is terrible it is it's really really terrible and to clarify at the beginning i said that i had this weird suspicion with match i don't know that match is fake um it was just this weird sensation i had and i had the same weird spider sense when i was looking at these sites too and and following the you know the like i said following, like I said, following the breadcrumbs, I found out that that was true, but right.
So I'm, I have had friends get married off of match and have very good success. Yeah, no, it's, it, it theoretically is a very legit site. I just had crappy luck on it.
So what's fun about this dating spot 24 is there's a bunch of reviews on here they review sites you can see a lot of these red thumbs down when they talk about things flirt in love.com vip free hookup matches trans flirt bang his wife.com so anyway just buyer beware a lot of these are not legit and i'm kind of thumbing through some of these but they're they're crap now one of the other things you'll start to notice too with a lot of these sites is when you scroll down to the bottom of them you'll start to see the the same companies are are running it this is this is actually a pretty cute one.
This is irishswingers.ie. And down at the bottom, they have McAfee Secure and Norton Secured. Do they even exist anymore? Well, they do, but you're viewing a website with profiles. It's not like you're downloading software. And so what are they scanning? The photos? Like it's just nonsense. They put these things up to make you feel confident. Like, oh my gosh, look at how secure they are. So secure. Yeah. Join today, 100% free until we get your credit card. Oh, my goodness. So there you go.
It's scary to think that there's these sites running around, that there's this many companies doing this. A lot of them are in Ireland. I don't know why they're in Dublin. I don't know why Ireland has become the mecca for this. But most of the sites that I was following all were kind of centered in that area.
Here's some companies they all have this limited like they're like an llc limited liability corporation right but really they're an international scam corporation so oh my gosh just look out for them oh yeah there was another one sol uh networks limited which i thought was hilarious because shit out of luck networks limited right um which is what your credit card is going to be so yeah so rude it's pretty bad um and and like i said they they use all the right images and whatever but as i'm clicking through these you'll see most of them are are just they're just cookie cutters of each other i mean they literally have the same layout yeah um Thank you.
clicking through these you'll see most of them are are just they're just cookie cutters of each other i mean they literally have the same layout yeah um they'll either have the same layout with just different pictures and a different name oh yeah look at that they'll have oh yeah here's one expat swingers um swinging near me let's see here's one swinger zone that one looks like a community site but I don't know how much content is in there that's actually legit unicorn dates wife swapping 24 7 this is that one that a lot of those pictures came up well they're all in here as part of this community site here's why we sail on virgin it's adults only no kids screaming at breakfast no family buffet lines just champagne at noon late night pool parties and people who actually want to be there.
The vibe? Think boutique hotel that happens to float. Tattoo parlors, drag brunch, restaurants you'd actually pay for on land. Plus, when you're looking to connect with other couples who know how to have fun, let's just say Virgin attracts a very specific type of adventurous. No wonder breadcruisers here, just your people. I wonder if they actually took people's photos and didn't pay for the stock photos. It's quite possible.
And what's interesting is through a google search you wouldn't be able to find something that was behind something legitimate like sls right those a good website a private website is not going to let you spider their images yeah so the way uh search engines work for those of you who are not as geeky as me, Google has something called a search spider, and it crawls the web. That's why they came up with the term spider. And it finds sites, it finds images, and it reports them back to the mothership, and they catalog all of that stuff in their locations.
So a good website will actually block spiders from browsing through their content most of the time it's through a password protection anyway but a lot of times even on a public site you can block spiders there's a little command you put in to your web pages to prevent that but if you actually had swinger profiles and you were concerned about anonymity, you wouldn't be putting their pictures up on the front page. There's another red, red flag for you, right? I didn't think about that. Here's a nice dominatrix site for you. The way out club. So if you're not a swinger, you're just dating.
You also can fall victim to this as well so this is just a uh a regular dating site oh wow um here's here's dating dogging uh club aphrodite but you can see as i'm clicking through these things they're they're literally cookie cutter of each other and you'll see see that privacy banner that pops up and the cookie banner. Those are all the same. And there it is. There's that online dating, Guardian Protected. It's on all of these. TripleSex.com. We are hookups. Interesting. Yeah. Gosh. This is crazy.
this is crazy it is it's very crazy here's uh so it's all it's all set up just to get your money it is and what they've done is they've they've and waste your time spread these out all over the internet with a whole bunch of keywords to just gather people as quickly as they can um you know you you were searching for you know bdsm dating sites that would come up like here's one this one's this one's cute i think this is actually a legit stock photo i don't don't think they doctored it but it's dating for cross-dressers um cute little blonde guy with his uh lipstick gone um he hedonly peak you i mean there's a whole bunch in here go rooting bisexual time um i have a couple of these that repeat the adult hub see this, this one looks like a, it looks a little different.
This one kind of starts to sound like it might be a, like a community site. Right. But then it's got that same privacy warning down there at the bottom. And there's the adult hub again. And after you've gotten in, you can see there's a bunch of profiles in here, but all of these are, are fake to Aphrodite again. Casual dating 69. Well, what is your last $100 million advice?
The $100 million advice is be careful who you give your credit card to yeah and and really scrutinize the websites and like i said look look for dating sites through legitimate sources start with the the well-known ones so if you're just a single and you're dating look at you know the ok cupids the matches the e-harmonies those are great places to go start with free stuff as soon as soon as you sign in and they start blocking you behind a paywall and you've got to give them money you should probably scrutinize them a little bit more read the terms of service look through the website do this google search trick that i'm showing you and make sure that this is an actual website that's going to give you actual people like real people so if you go to a legit site we'll just continue to use the harmony and match so you go because they've been around for forever and they're i consider them pretty reputable you go in you're trying to find a mate and you see this cute guy or this cute woman and and you're like wow but maybe it sounds too good to be true or he just looks too good and you're like hmm wow that that looks like a really great photo looks like professional i wonder i wonder if he had professional photos so you could could you right click or do a google search on his photo you said you couldn't because it was behind the well they could still publish their pictures through to places like instagram they could put them up on facebook so if it's if it's a real person and it's just a dating site, it's pretty likely that you'll be able to Google somebody and find them.
It's the swinger site.
So we're in kind of a sensitive category where you don't necessarily want your friends, neighbors, coworkers, and churchgoers to know that you're a swinger so that's where the anonymity comes in but for regular dating it's pretty easy to right click on a profile and find out if they're legit or not now i will say just because you don't find the image doesn't mean that it is legit it it tends to be true but it's not always true right um it's just a good check swingers are not posting their face pics so right if you are finding this man on or woman on the cover of vogue or maxim then then you know you know that it's not a real right photo of this particular man and he may be legit he may have created a legit profile but maybe the photo he used is not so it's a nice way to to double check yeah and it's it's not a hard and fast rule it's a guarantee, this technique.
But like I said, reading the terms of service, checking websites, and definitely vet your source. Where did you find this site? If you just found it through a Google search, maybe it's legit. Maybe it's not. Do a little research. You can certainly check. In the United States, you can check Better Business Bureau, but you can do ICANN searches. Look for these company names. You know, there's going to be a whole list of these. I hate I don't want to publish the names of these sites in the notes because I don't want to give them any more traffic than they're already getting. Right.
But I will publish these company names and I will publish this dating spot 24 in the show notes just so that you have a source to kind of verify and validate. Excellent. I love it. Like I said, I personally like to stick with sites like SLS, Cassidy.com. Why? Because I know there's swingers there because I've actually met them. I've talked to them. I've shook their hands. They've been around for a while. And you can browse the website and even send communications between swingers without having to pay, which is also a good sign.
And just for clarification, those two sites are mostly familiar to us because they have the most users on the west coast of the united states right but i i do know that there are other swinger sites that were for the east coast people yeah and there are international uh swinger sites as well um none of the ones that i showed today would be those sites. No.
But if there's listeners out there who know of a good international site or know of a good site in your area and you want to send it to us in an email, we'd be happy to help point people in the right direction instead of to this hell hole that we call the internet um it's a it's a den of thieves and yes it's terrible so hopefully you all got something valuable out of this today, at least a cool technique for checking out profiles. And hopefully we saved you some money and some trials, tribulations, pain, suffering, time on the phone with your credit card company. Oh, gosh, yes.
All of those things. Yes. So thank you for listening. Thank you. Before you turn off our podcast to take care of all the vanilla things pulling you away, please reach out and give us a review. I am the first to admit that it's much easier to give a five-star rating, which we appreciate. But if you could take 43 seconds to type a review, we would love it. If you want to share a personal story, ask us questions or share your comments. You can contact us at swingeruniversity at gmail.com. Check us out at swingeruniversity.com where you can find links to our Twitter and Instagram feeds.
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