Stag, Vixen, or Hotwife? Breaking Down the Dynamics

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Speaker1: Okay, one more time. Test. Sue, you want to say a few words? Hi there, everybody. You kind of got to like talk. Hello, everybody. That's why I want us together like this. Oh, God. Okay, I have to get close to you. You have to get close. Oh, horrors. You don't have your own mic. Oh, okay. This is what happens. Ooh, I lost my top. He lost it. Oh, no. The mic's not protected now. Oh, that's terrible. And we're very much about protection. Yes. You ready to go? Yes, I think so. Okay, we'll start in five, four, Three, two, three, two, one. Welcome back, everyone, to an all-new episode of the My Secret Seduction podcast. I'm John. And I'm Sue. And today, we're going to take a look at a topic that was suggested to us by one of our responders to our survey that we have put up on the My Secret Seduction podcast page over at MySecretSeduction.com. Put a link in the show notes so that you too can offer your thoughts on the podcast. But this one in particular deals with hot wiving and stag vixen and the differences between them now what do you know about those differences so i always thought that they were kind of interchangeable but i've learned recently that there is a difference and that with the stag vixen dynamic the um it's about threesomes and it's about all three people being involved in the threesomes so if it's like a woman and her partner you know getting involved with another guy it's the three of them, you know. But with a hot wife situation, it's more of the, like if it's a woman, what would be a woman with a hot wife, it's the male partner kind of either sitting back and just watching and not being involved or perhaps not even being there, like the woman going off and playing solo and then reporting back to the husband or sending pics or videos or something like that. You know, I know there's also kind of like the dynamic within hot That's more of like the whole cuckold situation, which is where there's humiliation involved for the male. Or it could be, you know, a hot husband situation, too. Same thing with a cuck queen, essentially. A cuck queen, yeah. Yeah. But that's my understanding of kind of where it's at. And to add to it, my understanding with Stag Vixen is that it is more of a power thing because, say, in the case of, It's two men and the woman. The male of the couple controls the situation. He directs. He's making sure that it's understood. So there is no chance of cuckolding going on in that situation at all. The stag name. And same thing if it's two women. The vixen controls the scenario pretty much. Whereas there's a lot more flexibility with the a hot wife situation. Because you can have a hot wife, like you say, cuckolding. You can also have a hot wife situation where, and I think we've kind of done this. We've mentioned it before the hot wife party we went to, where we were the only ones who understood the assignment. Even the host who was hosting it was dipping his doodle into things. And it's like, dude, just, you know, it's a hot wife. You're supposed to let your girl go and watch her enjoy herself. You know, whether that is, as you say, in the cuckold situation, or as what we We do, because we've had a few situations with single men, and I've found that when I watch you, I am very blissful about the whole thing, and I feel a certain level of compersion. I'm happy to watch you being pleasured, and that you're enjoying yourself. So I think there's that as well with the hot wife situation. I don't know how much of that would happen in a stag vixen situation. Yeah, I don't know. Good question. If there is any compersion involved in that at all. But because when we usually play with a single guy, it's with the exception of one guy we know, it's usually three rounds. Right. And, you know, it's the three of us. Then I sit back and just have my scotch and watch you. And I can tell you, like, even the very first time that I saw you with a single guy alone, I was like how surprised I was that there wasn't even the remotest bit of judgment. I mean we'd been playing already with couples but I guess I was always engaged with the woman to not think about it now I'm just sitting here watching and you know there wasn't any humiliation done or anything like that because you two were too busy doing your thing but I just sat there and I was like wow you know this is really cool so I don't know I think in our situation are we more stag vixen or hot wife I think we're more hot wife we're more hot wife yeah although I haven't I hadn't really gone off by myself to meet a guy and, you know, send you pics or anything like that. We're not at that level of hot wife, I guess you could say. I think the most that ever happened was when we were at the club in Connecticut, I went off into a room with R. Right. And you didn't even realize I had gone because you were actually busy. I was busy with a friend of ours, yes. Yeah, you were involved. And then, yeah, that was probably, yeah, the most kind of, a hot wife in that sense of like you not being there at all. Right. Yeah. Would you consider a date situation like that? And I use the term date loosely because I know when I've brought this up to you before, you said, well, certainly, you know, you don't want to go out and have a meal with them. Right. Yeah. I mean, most maybe meet for a drink. It would have to be there's there's not a situation. Right now, I would say no, it's not something I'm interested in. And, you know, I think that if, you know, there was a situation where there was somebody I felt really, really comfortable with, maybe. But also part of it also is I like you being there. That's part of the fun for it all with me. Like, the one time that I went to that house party without you because you had to stay home because one of our kids wasn't feeling well. Right. You know, you had given me full blessing to play when I went there. And, you know, I could have. but I just was like it's not the same without you there like I just I didn't want to so you know there's that what if he offers you cheese sticks well I don't know the cheese sticks cheese sticks could could sway me right or maybe some some buffalo wings or something buffalo wings yeah I mean that we had a similar situation where I forget I think you'd gone away on business or something and there was a party at yes and you told me to go and you didn't go I didn't go at all that was really early on though that was It was really early on. That's true. Yeah. I just felt like I knew I wouldn't do anything or at least I certainly felt I wouldn't do anything. I'd just be sitting at the bar and I just didn't see the point of driving all that way. Even though we'd be hanging out with people we knew and trusted and I could have had a laugh with them. Right. You know, even just hanging out. But yeah, it just didn't seem right. Right. Didn't seem right. Well, I mean, what do you think, folks? Where is your dynamic? Are you, you know, or have you ever been involved in a hot wife situation or a stag vixen are you the stag vixen type couple you know write to us at my secret seduction at gmail.com or leave us a voicemail right on the website you could do that at my secret seduction.com you can leave us a voicemail uh but uh now it's time for sexy story oh yes sexy story sexy story so so i think i want to start with the one where we were at the club. The one. So we got more than one? Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we have probably a couple. But the one that I'm thinking about is where we were at the club and we weren't hosting that night. We were just there as I think. Right. I don't think we were hosting that night. At Wicked Fun Club. Yeah. Make sure they understand that. Oh, right. Yes. And then we went off into the swing room and you were fucking me on the sex swing. Yes. And then S from one of the couple the male had come in there and was kind of watching. And we had played with him and his wife before. Right. And I gestured him over. And then the next thing I know, his wife also came in and the two of them were sucking on my tits while you were fucking me in the swing. Yep. That was pretty damn hot. That was. And then we decided to go into the orgy room from there because there's only so much you can do in that room. Yeah. You know, for people. So we went into the orgy room, and we played with them, and we swapped with them. And that was also really, that was pretty hot, too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you played with him before. This was the first time I ever played with her. That's right. Yeah, that's right. I forgot. You know? Yep, that's true. She's a wild one. Yeah. She's a wild one. She's a bit of a biter, a bit of a slapper. Yeah, she's slapping me on the ass and such. Well, she comes every time prepared with like- Her whip and- Her whip and such. Yeah. Yeah. So what do you like about S? I just, I think he's a really nice looking guy. He's a lot of fun. He's also, he's got a really nice personality and he's outgoing and he's funny. So I enjoy his company. Right. Yeah. Okay. Oh, cool. Cool. So that was, now you said one of them is. Oh yeah. Was there another one you wanted to tell? Well, yeah. And then there was the one where this was the party we were hosting. Right. Right. And so there was a couple there that, you know, And there's a massage. There's a little room with a massage table. And they went in there. And the husband was giving the wife a massage, like a sensual massage. And then I went in there along with our friend A, a female. And she and I started to also give that woman a massage. So that was pretty hot. I made out with the husband a little bit. And we did that for a little while. And then there was nothing. It was just a sensual massage. You know, we were not, you know, like playing, playing in that sense. That was G&G, right? Yes. Yeah. And then, you know, we came back out and we were sitting there and you weren't, yeah, I was horny. You were horny. You weren't feeling good. No, again. Yeah. Every party we have hosted since November at Wicked Fun, I've gotten sick. Yeah. To the point where even in January I couldn't make it. Right. Yeah. So, I mean, you weren't like super sick, but you just weren't feeling great. No. And I was like, you want to go with A, our friend, and go into one of the rooms? And I wasn't sure if you were up for it. And you were like, yeah, all right. And so then I asked her, and she's like, okay. So the three of us went into the room. It's not like the orgy room with the door, but it's like one of the stations. I guess it's an orgy station. I call them PlayStations. PlayStations. Because they've got the double bed for orgy. They've got the massage table, which you were in with G&G. They've got the Sibian, and then they've got the Tantric sex chair. So we went to the orgy bed, which was already pretty busy as it was, but it was like every other room had people in it. It was filled up. So we managed to squeeze the three of us between the owners of the club who were going at it and two other couples who were on the other side. So we were like in the middle. And one of those couples was the ones that we were just talking about. Yeah. That was in the swing. So they were in there. Yeah. And, yeah. And, you know, so we, you know, we had a good time. We did. Well, I mean, you know, it always starts out great with the two of you going down on me. Yeah. And, yeah, I know you're always just like happy, happy. No man would not be happy with that situation. Well, there's that. There's that. No man. Yeah, that's true. You know, and then. You were quite happy about that. You know, and then it was like kind of like you were. I don't think anybody went. Other than you guys going down on me. I didn't go down on either of you, but you did. We're fingering each other. Yeah. And then I started fucking A. Right. And I was making out with her. You were making out with her. Then I fucked you. Yeah. And she was making out with you while that was happening. And that's always hot. I love watching you make out with a woman while I'm fucking you. Yeah. And then I was talking dirty to you. Yes. Yeah. While you were fucking her. Which you don't do enough. I don't. No, but I'm getting better at it. You're getting better at it. I'm getting better at it. That's for sure. Yeah, that was hot. That was hot. That was a good night, too. Yeah. But, all right, well, you know, so hot wife and vixen stag, stag vixen. Stag vixen. Yeah, that's the way they usually refer to it. That's the way they usually refer to it, yeah. So, and some nice hot stories. And we got some news before we talk about what's coming up with us. Right. Some actual swinger news. You may have heard us refer to a club called Saints And they have locations in Philadelphia, northeast, and in the central part of Philadelphia, I believe it is. We've been members of Saints and Sinners for pretty much. Since we started. Since we started. Yeah, it was our first club we ever went to. But the club we went to was in Atlantic City. Now, the Atlantic City place closed down in January of 2025. And we thought that was going to be it. And we were crushed. We loved that place. I love that place. I mean, you know, we've mentioned before, it's got the hotel, it's got a pool that you can do optional clothing with because the pool's enclosed. So it's not like it's going to drive anybody crazy to see you. And it was closed. So we just found out on the Saints website that the owner is planning a reopening of the club. He bought it back from the folks who bought it from him. I'm assuming he must have made a killing on that because they, They had it less than a year. Yeah. And they were just trying to do it as a nightclub. Yeah. And it wasn't working. It wasn't working. They were having the cops there every weekend because there were fights breaking out all the time. Yeah. So and apparently he's going to renovate the place now. I don't know. So someone had asked me recently, you know, does that mean the rooms too? Because the rooms aren't the greatest. Somebody said yes. Yeah. Somebody said yes. Yeah. On the site. Oh, okay. I didn't see that because I know they said they're going to they're going to put in a brand new pool. They're not even going to bother and fix it. They're going to They're going to put a brand new pool in. So, I mean, this would be awesome if he could get it up and running. Yeah. Because with the size of it and everything it has available, it has the potential to be a real resort for swingers in the Northeast, which we do not have anything like that. Right. In the Northeast. Right. You know, I always say it would kind of be like New Jersey's version of Secrets in Florida. Yeah. It could be that. It could easily be that. It could easily be that. And if they worked out package deals like where it's like, okay, you come down for the weekend, and it's all inclusive, like your room and parties. Because it is a BYOB. They don't bother with an alcohol license, so you wouldn't have that as part of your package. But still. And hopefully, as part of it, DJ Ray Ray and Ghost Host will transfer over. Yeah. Well, Ginger's been, she helps, but she hasn't really been involved with the club as far as working for them in a while. Right. So it'd be great if they brought her back. Yeah. I wonder if Angie'd be back to manage the hotel end. Yeah. You know? But yeah, it's a great place. We loved it. We're excited about the possibility of it opening up again. So if, you know, assuming everything goes to plan and it opens this summer, we will definitely be there and we'll be reporting. Yes. On our experiences there. Yes. and encourage people that are in the area to definitely check out Saints and Sinners and keep an eye out for it. Correct. Yep. So that brings us then to what's coming up for us. It's the beginning of March as we're recording this March 14th at Wicked Fun Club. It is our sequel to last year's very successful Aaron Gobrales. It's Aaron Gobrales 2 The Whale of the Banshee. Yeah. Now, you know, last year, we sold the place out but that was easy because it was a smaller location this is a bigger one so you know if we if we actually had the numbers again it'd be nice but it wouldn't be sellout crowds we need we need to see people there and you know we're going to keep saying it folks if you are in the tri-state area you should be checking out wicked fun club um there's a hotel uh eight like four minutes away from the place there's a bunch of hotels in the area there's a bunch of hotels but the hotel i i will keep saying Because to me, I know some people are very much about the hotel experience. To me, it's a place to crash after we party. As long as there's no bugs and it's clean, basically. I mean, if we were staying there more than one night, I could see that. I could say, yeah, I would like something better. But to sleep just for a few hours. For a few hours, because we always get up and we're out the door. Most of the time, we don't even stick around for whatever breakfast is offered. True. So check that out. at wickedfunclub.com. Links for that party in particular will be in the show notes. That's March 14th. And then April 18th is our 2069 Sex Odyssey party, sci-fi themed. So think latex, think lycra, think silvers and spacesuits. I really got to think about what I'm wearing for that one. You got to really think about that one. I have an idea. I have a costume that I bought a while ago just as a goof. So I may just pull that one out. Because it's an astronaut suit. I'm thinking about that bodysuit that you got me. It's kind of sparkly. Yeah. Okay. Actually, you got me two bodysuits that are kind of sparkly. Yes, I do. So maybe one of those. Maybe one of those. Cool. And maybe I'll make like a hat out of tinfoil or something. I don't know if you need to go that far. I don't know if you need to go that far. Something stupid. But yes, and again, Wicked Fun Club. We'll put the links up for that. as well. So I guess that's it for now. It's a little short and sweet this time. Real quick curtain pulling back here, folks. We'd actually recorded this once on the way to a meet and greet we were at last night. And it turns out that we had the mics on. But I think I must have had a different setting or something because we only recorded like the first three minutes or so. So we had to do it again. And if you notice, the sound quality is a little different. It's because we're actually doing it in the house because our kids are all, they're both out Nobody's home, so we don't have to hide We don't have to hide, so we figured we'd get it done now and get it to you So until next time folks thank you so much for listening and until next time Keep Swinging The engine hums a low frequency, cruising past the lines of symmetry. We leave the porch light fading in a glass, watching every inhibition pass. The city settles in a velvet haze, setting fire to our standard days. The heavy scent of jasmine fills the air, while we're breathing in a debonair. A secret knock upon a heavy door, polished wood across the bottom floor. Where the rules of common sense were thin. Silver platters and a chance of sway. Chasing all the monotone away. There is gravity in every glance. Weightless in the middle of the dance. Swinging near the moonlight. Fisting through the shadows of the night. Changing all that's just to feel the heat Making every heartbeat incomplete Swingin' in the moonlight Walking on a tightrope outside No one has to keep the crown they wear Then there is a magic they can share We find a rhythm that we never knew, blending every shade of pink and blue, swinging in the moonlight. Twisted through the shadows of the night, changing all that's just to feel the heat, making every heartbeat incomplete, swinging in the moonlight. Walking on a tightrope by our side, no one has to keep the crown they wear. When there is a magic we can share. Twisted through the shadow for the night. No one has to keep the ground away. When there is a magic we can share.