Send us Fan MailThe Swing Nation PodcastLifestyle Education: Breaking Down Misconceptions in the Lifestyle | Episode 39On this swinger podcast episode, we dive into some of the misconceptions and myths about swingers and the lifestyle. Are swingers all sex crazed degenerates, cheating on their partners, or participating in key parties? Dan and Lacy talk over common myths and misconceptions people have about the swinger lifestyle and separate fact from fiction. Listen to the episode to find out what swingers are really about!_______________- The Swing Nation -Main WebsiteQuick Navigation Website: -- (Find all our social media links more!)Follow us on Facebook!The Podcast Website_______________ - Swinger Society -Our Website to meet, connect eventsSwinger Society DiscordOur Facebook Group_______________ - Swinger Websites -SDCUsername: TheSwingNation** Use code 36313 for 14 days free! **SLSUsername: NorthernGuynSouthernGirl_______________ - Merch More -The Swing Nation MerchThe Swinger Pride FlagsSwinger Society Merch_______________ - Lacy’s Fun Links -VIP OnlyFansPREMIUM OnlyFans_______________ -- THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS --Shameless Care: ED Medication and at home STD testingUse Code TSN at checkout for $30 off your order!Promescent® Make Love Longer, It’s Time for Great SexUse Code SwingNation for 5% off!Pinaq Liqueur; The Official Drink of The Swing NationUse Code TSN at checkout for 15% off!Non-monogamy Couples Course and Single Guy Mastery CourseUse Code ATLANTA for 50% off!- Thank you for the support! -
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welcome to the swing nation podcast a podcast by swingers for swingers where we look to educate others and push back on the negative stigmas and misconceptions associated with our lifestyle come with us and share our pineapple journey as we travel the globe interview the experts learn and grow together join the nation so lacy people are asking how do they get to go to a party or an event with us they check out swingersociety.net you create a profile profile, you sign up for an event, and you come hang out with us.
It's super easy. That's right. If you want to party with us and the other faces and names that you know from social media and TikTok, head on over to swingersociety.net. Can't wait to see you there. Lacey, we get approached by couples all the time and they want to know, like, where can they learn the one-on-ones of non-monogamy? Yeah, I totally get it. You want to get in the lifestyle, but you just don't know where to start. We recommend Sex by Sue's class on non-monogamy.
She really helps couples learn how to communicate and do the lifestyle the correct way. Yeah, I think this lifestyle, you know, it's crucial not to step on the landmines that a lot of us do. Yeah. And you kind of learn the hard way, you know. So having a class that you can take online, you know, in the privacy of your own home and kind of learn the ins and outs, learn, you know, how to approach the lifestyle, how to communicate with your partner about it.
You know, I think it's something worth taking and we highly recommend it. Yeah. So click below in the show notes. You'll find this link for that course. it out guys bye hey there pineapple people and welcome to the swing nation podcast we are your hosts northern guy and. In today's episode, we're going to talk a little bit about myths and misconceptions associated with the lifestyle. And what the reality of those misconceptions are. Yeah, we are.
So a big part of our platform is pushing back against the stigma associated with the lifestyle. And I think a good part of that stigma comes from some of these misconceptions what would your opinion of that be no i completely agree that's again that's why we went to tiktok because i think so many people think when i think of swingers they think of like the 70s and key parties and then like drugs and all that it's it's really not i mean at least our swinging world is not that in my opinion. Yeah.
We're going to, we're going we're gonna dig into some of the the more common myths that are out there some of the more common misconceptions um we'll talk to you about them maybe a little bit of what why why we think they exist and then we'll kind of give you um the reality at least the reality as as we it as a couple in the lifestyle currently, you know. And it's been in the lifestyle for a while now. Yeah. And kind of what our interpretation of this stuff is. Sounds good.
And this came, this idea came from TikTok. TikTok or your Snapchat? TikTok. Oh, it was a TikTok person? Yeah.
So we went on TikTok today and was like, tell us what you want to podcast on and a couple people said this so here we are so thank you whoever gave us this idea yeah no it's actually it's funny you say that because that's one of the things i like about the way we do podcasts is it's very much a give and take like we get questions and when we get enough of the same questions we kind of of, you know, put it together into an episode. Yeah. All right.
So we're going to start off with myth number one. Swinging is all about sex. Swingers are all kinky and sex crazed. And that's why they're non-monogamous because they can't be monogamous. So because they're so crazed about sex, they just have to have it all the time.
So they become these wild sex crazed swinger creatures well i do like sex so true it's fact fact check complete um no i mean that is definitely a part of it but that's not the only part at least not for me um i personally love the lifestyle for the friendships, for the parties, for the for the themes i mean do i get to have hot sex sometimes yes do sometimes i not get to yeah and that's okay too um if it was only about that then i think i don't know wouldn't for us i don't it's just more than that for me what do you think no i think i think that's it's interesting you know and especially since we've had this platform the more we've kind of dived into the lifestyle um the more you realize that lifestyle people really are a community of people they really are um and and i think many people are part of the swinger lifestyle or part of the lifestyle as some people call it um because they just they just enjoy that sense of community with people yeah um and you know we've talked to several club owners um hotel takeover uh owners and stuff and they all kind of have said the same thing that a good half of the people that show up to their events and to their club usually aren't even there to have sex or not even really there to play yeah they're just there because they like the the environment and they like the people yeah i mean honestly as we've gotten more into this like the podcast and the tiktok and being more open as we are i found myself playing less um I think maybe just because we're in these big invite there's a lot going on there's a lot of people so i just i tend to to you know maybe just play with like one person where you and i in the past we would play with multiple partners um i feel like i definitely have toned down um because honestly i'm not there just for that i'm there for so much more yeah and i would say you know if you look you know if you had to take a you know educated guess about when you go to these events how many people at the event or like a percentage of people actually end up in a playroom do you think i would say 50 or less less yeah i would say significantly less i'd say it'd be somewhere between like 10 and I'll see you next time.
end up in a playroom do you think i would say 50 or less less yeah i would say significantly less i'd say it'd be somewhere between like 10 and 25 percent really i would think it'd be more than that i'd say 30 40 yeah i think it's definitely less than half of the people i think that show up to events actually end up engaging in sexual intercourse of some type yeah um but i think like and i've personally dealt with this because when people find out that we're swingers i think they assume that we're just showing up to these parties and it's just a free-for-all that like everybody's doing it with everybody and it's just yeah we're gonna get more into that one so don't jump too far ahead but but yeah you're right uh and yeah so i think you know the misconception that is is that swingers are all about sex.
I think that the reality is, you know, especially swingers, clubs, events, it's more of a community based thing. Yes. Is there sex involved? Absolutely. But it's varying levels. I mean, are there kinky people in the lifestyle that are in the bondage and all kinds of kinky sex? Absolutely.
Are there people in the lifestyle that just watch and have sex with each other are there people in the lifestyle that have there's so many different ranges it's it's interesting because monogamy is the same way right yeah that you know monogamous people range from very plain vanilla sex to very very kinky monogamous people i think lifestyle people are kind of the same right yeah you're gonna find a full spectrum of people that are have just very normal everyday sex maybe only with their partner or you know they're engaging in some light play with other people all the way up to you know all the extremes that you would find yeah other places yeah i agree but there definitely is this misconception that because you're in the lifestyle automatically there you're some kind of sex crazed being which i don't think that's an accurate no really what's in the lifestyle is just a microcosm of greater society and you'll find all those those variants i think within the lifestyle yeah um okay anything else on swingers being sex crazed uh individuals and thoughts on that no i think you you kind of nailed it um i mean i think there i think there are some swingers that are yeah i mean absolutely right but just like there's monogamous people that are all right yeah i think there's you know you definitely meet those couples that their goal is to be there and that that's what they're there for like it's happening one way or the other then you meet couples that are just happy to be there so i think you have all all versions um but i think tv uh like i think we people have learned when they think of swinging they think of obviously the extreme that sex crave person that's just there to have sex with everyone yeah and i think it's almost you know the bad part about that misconception is some people almost look at like it you like you have an issue like you have a problem right like like you're some kind of you know like deviant like yeah i mean like you know like we talked about it you know you know children being taught told to stay away from us at the last hotel thing we went to and stuff like that like you're you're some kind of like almost like we're trying to hurt a child or like we would put a child in harm's way like you're right like some sort of sex like crazed human that right you know doesn't take any regard for anybody's right feelings or whatever yeah yeah that's the stigma and i think that's kind of what our community gets looked at as yeah and in reality it's just yes there are people that are highly sexual but there's also people that are not and yeah you'll get the full gambit just like you would with the monogamous people absolutely all right moving on stigma number two swingers just become swingers um because they want to cheat on their partner i think sometimes that happens do you think sometimes it happens it happens?
Yeah. Yeah. You probably don't like that. It probably doesn't go against you. I think a truly healthy lifestyle couple, that is not the case, right? Yeah.
I think that you have a solid foundation and you swing because it's something that brings you both joy and it makes your relationship stronger however i know that there are probably a decent amount of swingers out there that got in the lifestyle because either they cheated or one of them wants to cheat and is using swinging as a way to be able to hook up with other people and still maintain their marriage yeah i think this is the common you know the you know a few people give the the larger group a bad yeah and bad name are there like and so what you're saying is are there people that come to the swinger lifestyle or come to non-monogamy because essentially they're not happy in their relationship and they're looking for to engage with somebody else absolutely that happens in the lifestyle i think that's undeniable.
I think anybody that would say I don't usually last in the lifestyle very long. Yeah. I mean, and let's be honest, there's been some pretty public couples lately that have crumbled.
And if you think about it, if you like really strip down the relationship the foundation was not there and that's kind of and if you don't have that then it will somebody it's gonna get fucked up yeah and that's that's i think my point if you come to swinging if you come to non-monogamy for the same reason so if you come to non-monogamy looking to replace your partner well then you're gonna find somebody you're gonna you know i mean like and it's going to ruin your relationship a hundred percent but i do also think that there is a little bit of truth to that as well because i'm gonna be honest i love attention from males i mean i love it from females too but like i almost like crave it in a way don't get me wrong i love that you think i'm beautiful, it makes me feel so good to know that my husband is, like, so attracted to me.
But there's something about another man thinking I'm hot that, like, just does something for me.
And swinging allows me to be faithful to you, to have you, and have a healthy marriage, but yet still, still like fulfill that need that i have now if we were completely monogamous would i cheat i don't think so but i honestly i can't i can't 100 say because we've never been monogamous so i don't know yeah no i i think um what you're saying is true you know i would make an argument that i think i believe there are monogamous like people that are capable of monogamy and there's people that aren't capable of monogamy i think i'm capable of monogamy but i don't know that i would be fully fulfilled does that make sense right so you you would have to hide a part of yourself or you would have to you you probably in past monogamous relationships that's how it felt right you would have to force yourself into a box that maybe you're not comfortable in but you could you could survive there if you had to but so like would i cheat to fulfill those needs maybe i don't know and so maybe so i get where that where people think that it makes sense to me like but i mean like if we decided tomorrow that we were going to be monogamous i wouldn't then like just go cheat on you like that i don't know how to explain it so i get i get the um why people think that yeah no i think i think there is something to be said for people that choose to be non-monogamous have certain maybe wants desires, desires, fantasies that.
I think everybody has those. I mean, let's just be honest. I think that swingers, non-monogamous, we're just more open about them. We are in a relationship where it's okay to say that. Like how many of our friends, not lifestyle friends, but regular friends could look at their husband and say what I just said about men's attention? Like that would cause a knockdown drag out fight.
But we're in like such a healthy, happy relationship that I can say that to you and you not like think that you're not good enough. Yeah, no, I think I think that's that's it's true. And I think that kind of brings me to the next point of cheating. And I meant to start with this, but, you know, let's let's look at the definition of cheating for a while. And I think, you know, this in itself kind of debunks the idea that swingers are cheaters. Right. Yeah.
So the definition of cheating and this is from, you know, Webster's Dictionary to deprive of something valuable by use of deceit or fraud right that's definition one two to influence or lead by deceit trick or artificiality right so essentially at the core of cheating is you're tricking somebody right you're you're lying you're deceiving somebody right and i think that in that in its in itself is is the exact opposite of what most swinger relationships are. Right.
If anything, non monogamous people are encouraged to be open, to communicate, to talk to their partner and kind of to what you your point that you just made is like the good thing about our relationship and other relationships that are like ours is you can have those conversations that, know in a purely monogamous relationship might have caused a fight or caused an argument um so you know i mean even at lunch today you and i were sitting having soup and salad at lunch and i was able to tell you about a fantasy that i would think is hot and I would like to do and you like completely like heard me out you didn't make me feel bad about my fantasies you know and in a different situation I probably would still want to do those fantasies but have to hide it behind closed doors so it's very nice to be able to just be me 100% and not have to hide those things We'll see you next time.
hide it behind closed doors so it's very nice to be able to just be me 100 and not have to hide those things yeah i think to me that's that's the core of of a non-monogamous relationship is people that are able to be open with their partner about their desires and their fantasies and you know the non-monogamous part is you're willing to then explore those those yeah fantasies and ideas we get a lot is how how is this not cheating um and i think it's important i know this is a little off topic but kind of on topic so we consider ourselves consensual non-monogamous so everything that we do is consented on so like if dan wanted to like screw some girl at work he snuck off and did it without my consent that would be cheating right but if you came to me and said hey i'm really into this girl at work i would like to explore that we would come up with a plan together to make that happen yeah so that's the difference here just like just I know that's a little sidebar but just wanted to make that super no no I think and that's actually is in my notes is one of the things is can you be a swinger or can you be a non-monogamous person and still cheat on your partner absolutely because people ask that question a lot because they're essentially I think confuse the whole open relationship with swinging and you know we talk about that in in the i think in the terms and definitions episodes we'll go back and listen to that if you if you need a deeper dive in that um but i think the difference between an open relationship um and in a swinging or non-monogamous relationship is we have clear rules and boundaries in place and anything outside of those clear rules and boundaries would be cheating would be considered cheating absolutely so we talk about every single thing we do and if anything ever happens that wasn't talked about or consented on prior to that would 100 be cheating right yeah and we've often you know sometimes we we trip into the or we enter this gray area, not even like on purpose.
Right. Like things will happen that we haven't really been just talking about. And it just organically happens, you know, and then afterwards we're like, you know, you might be like, well, you know, that thing that happened, I was a little uncomfortable with that. Like when you drank the breast milk. I was thinking that, but I wasn't going to go into that conversation again. But, yeah, things like that, right?
I never would have imagined that was a thing that would have happened yeah you know honestly i never would have if i had thought about it i wouldn't have thought it would be you know like something that maybe you would have an issue with right so these things just organically will happen to you on your journey and i think the key to a lot of that stuff is not freaking out when those things happen yeah and being able to have a conversation and talk about them well we've adjusted our rules and boundaries several times we do it all the time like even after the breast milk situation we had to have a conversation i mean we we do that all the time we talk about things probably overly talk things, and just adjust to make them fit whatever makes us feel right.
Yeah, and we've gone both ways with it. I mean, we've pulled back, and we've also been like, let's just go do this thing, right? And one of the examples of that would be during COVID when you sent me to go play with a hot wife, essentially. And we just kind of jumped right into it.
And then afterwards, we're like, whoa, that was way too fucking too fucking much way too quick and you didn't cheat on me because i told you right let's do this but now we realized that that was not something that we were comfortable with and so like going forward if you did that then yes that would be cheating a hundred percent uh okay so moving on to number six swingers must be unhappy in their relationship and that's why they're turning to non-monogamy that's so crazy to me because you and i have sex every single day like we didn't have sex two days this week and we were like what's wrong with us and it was really boiled down to just like life happened like we had a all-day ball tournament and then we were traveling and i didn't feel good and it just really boiled down to that but like we i'm obsessed with you in a healthy way right probably not um but i mean like i'm gonna be super honest you are my best friend and i love you like so unconditionally and i think that's what's fun about swinging is that we do it together it's like a like a hobby if you will I mean that seems odd that we like fuck other people for hobby but well we've often said that um that you know you know we've gotten to this debate about are you a lifestyler or not a lifestyle and what does that mean and you know how often do you have to play and what you know like what makes you an official lifestyler and all this stuff uh but we've often said that swinging for us is more of a it's a thing we do because we enjoy it but it's not our life right it's not something we have it is kind of our life now let's be honest we definitely in the last year took a much deeper dive uh into it but i do think what what you're saying is we have this bedrock foundation of our relationship and even when we go to clubs and play we always find each other we always reconnect a lot of times we get distracted with each other and maybe miss we've actually had couples that say to us well y'all were so into each other we didn't really want to interrupt or you know like so i mean i is that normal though that's my question like i know we're we're debunking myths we we've said what we are but are every couple like that we've also only been married for one year i will say you know so if you've been married for 30 years you're probably not going to be like we are at one year.
Well, you say that, but I turn to, you know, that 88 year old couple at Hedo or the 70 year old couples that are on the dance floor. I mean, we've come across those couples in the lifestyle that have been together for 30 plus years. And you can see when they're together, whether it's in a playroom or on a dance floor, that they just have that connection.
connection right you can just tell by the way they're looking at each other the way they're smiling at each other the way they're together whether it's in a playroom or on a dance floor that they just have that connection right you can just tell by the way they're looking at each other the way they're smiling at each other the way they're touching each other that like that relationship is like core and it's solid and you know so i i think it does exist i don't think you know like it expires with time now sure are there ebbs and flows i think every relationship is ebbs and flows and they're you know that couple that's in their 80s out there loving each other have probably had times when they fucking hated each other you know i mean yeah um but i don't think you know i think if you have that type of solid core relationship it can stand the test of time so yeah but like on the flip side of that where you bunk and miss there are some that don't have that solid foundation So, there's two sides to every coin.
Yeah, no.
of that where you bunk and miss there are some that don't have that solid foundation so there's two sides every coin yeah no i i think you know it goes back to the same do do couples come to to swinging because they want to cheat on their spouse absolutely that happens right do couples come to swinging or non-monogamy because they're unhappy with their relationship 100 that happens yeah what i will say though is if you find a couple that's been in the lifestyle three years four years five years ten years you know i mean like you can see the red flags like we've met those couples we've played with those couples but usually just a little bit of getting to know them you will start to see the cracks in their foundation you will see the problems the red flags will start and those are just the type of couples that you just you know maybe need to avoid right yes there are couples that come to the lifestyle for the wrong reasons ultimately i think they they end up crashing and burning and usually fairly quickly um so like lacy said you know learn go back listen to the red flags episode learn what those look for the second you have like the husband start message you on the side you know okay so obviously him and his wife are probably not in a good place if he feels like it's okay you know i mean like if that's outside of their boundaries that's outside of the you know there's just ways to kind of tell with couples what if they're there for the right reasons or not yeah um so it's also says so many couples hesitate to bring up the idea of swinging to their partners because they're afraid that their partner will think that they're unhappy or unsatisfied i think that's the truth um so what would your advice be if there's a couple you know maybe a half of a couple that's out there listening and they're afraid like they you know they're intrigued by this lifestyle they're intrigued by all these things that we're talking about but they're afraid to go to their partner and say that that they're interested in it because they're afraid of hurting their partner i get it i get it because we met in the lifestyle so we never had to have that conversation but like me and my marriage that I was I'm divorced or we're married my first marriage if he would have came to me and said I want to be a swinger I would have felt like I wasn't enough like I wasn't good enough I mean just being super transparent I would have I was in my 20s I probably wasn't as sure of myself um that would have made me feel less, you know, when people ask us this all the time and it's really, really hard because, you know, it's really hard if you don't know the person, you know, obviously they know their spouse better than anybody else.
But I think if it's something that you're truly passionate about, you might, it might take you a few years of dropping little hints of saying things of listening to podcasts of you know expressing your wants and needs I think that knowing that you're not going to bring it up one conversation and then the next weekend being in the swingers club I think having correct expectations is the right way to go about it yeah and i think we've um talked about this a few times but you know the right reason to come to the lifestyle or to come to non-monogamy is because you and your partner want to pursue fantasies um and sexual desires together right that's to me that's the core reason to come to the lifestyle right well and i love how daphne and daddy mike they were on the podcast back in march i believe and he said to her what are your fantasies what are some things that you wanted to do and then she told him and he was like let's make this happen so i mean i think you have to know your partner you have to i don't know take baby steps right i don't know i think that's a good first step is to go to your partner and say like what are your fantasies what are your wild what are your darkest fantasies or you know like what are some things you know like what kind of porn do you like to watch you know just kind of learn your partner and kind of delve into what their wants and desires and maybe some of the ones that they're afraid to tell you because talking about some of that stuff it's hard like for me and you it's you know it's second nature right i could tell you stuff i wouldn't say out loud to anybody else right and we do that on a fairly regular basis um but in previous relationships never never i would have been like scorned like how dare you you're nasty you sex crave person right and i've i've felt like that in previous relationships that made to feel like there is something that you know kind of this stigma that people have right there's something wrong with me i need to go get help i need to get counseling i need to you know how dare i have these wants and desires and fantasies when reality you know you start everybody does right everybody there's a reason there's these all these websites with billions of views right because it's not uncommon to have those types of fantasies we're just in a society where we are taught to not to taught to hide it that it's not okay and it's not moral right yeah um but i think you know to approach that with your partner and essentially say like i i want to know right like i'm interested in what you are interested in like tell me talk to me let's have discussions about it and then but like even just sitting here thinking like it's my like the guy dated before you had came to me and said that like i would have never been like oh i want to sleep with a mean, like, maybe that would be okay.
But, like, there's other things. Well, you got there eventually. So, that did, you know what I mean? Well, him, yeah. Because he was like, have you ever heard of a swingers club? But, like, I was definitely on my way there. But, like, okay, let's say the relationship before. It was very conservative, very, you know, like, very vanilla. Yeah.
Like yeah like very very missionary vanilla you know like well and i think that gets to why some swingers are older or you know a lot of swingers are older is i think it takes a while to build the self-confidence to be willing to then explore into some of those areas right because when you're younger and just discovering sex like you're just happy to be having it you're barely comfortable enough to just have regular sex never mind talk about you know now today's a new day and age and i think people are much more exposed to some of that um whether that's good or bad i guess that's for another debate but uh it is it is interesting to me that um it seems like as couples mature in their relationship they're maybe more willing to explore some of these things yeah i totally agree um do you think and this is kind of my next bullet point other people that are just not meant for monogamy like at the core of their being they just even if they wanted to be in a monogamous relationship they're just incapable i do i've met some of them you've met some of them any names yeah um i think you are that one of them would you would you self-identify as a person i think i could be monogamous yes i do you so you think you're capable of yes but you think i am incapable of it yes i'm not disagreeing with you yeah and it well to you know kind of like i don't mean that mean i mean i mean that in the most loving possible way but like if you came to me in today and said lacy i want to be monogamous i would say okay would i have moments throughout our marriage that i would probably struggle more than others yes but i do think i could do it i i was married and was completely monogamous for a lot of years so I think I could do it um I think that you would struggle a lot a hundred percent like I know you I know you to your core you would struggle so yeah I do think that there are people out there that are just not capable of being monogamous um I think that we try i think our society teaches us that you should be and unfortunately being a cheater in a monogamous relationship is much more socially acceptable than a non-monogamous person which is really really shitty that really pisses me off i agree like how is it okay that you could cheat on your wife and then go sit next to her at church and have the church know, and that's okay?
But God forbid we're swingers and we are just like these bad creatures. You'd be exiled from the same church. Yeah, yeah. I don't – it's a hard pill to swallow, to be honest with you. But, yeah, I think there's absolutely people that are not capable, no matter how hard they try. No, I agree with that.
And I've, you know've you know going back to like you said previous relationships that i've been in i've had those where i've sat down and looked at myself and been like damn what is wrong with you like what you know like what like you had good intentions but you just very hurtful right because if you are trying to force yourself to be in a monogamous relationship and you're just not a monogamous person you're gonna hurt the people around you right like in in so there's times when you you have that internal struggle of like why can't i just do this like what is wrong with me you know i mean um and so i think i'm of the same opinion you are that it's not a reflection of that relationship right or how happy you are or how good of a person that other person is or you know whether they're enough or not enough it's really just that's not who you are I've been cheated on and I have cheated and when I was cheated on I very much struggled with the what about me was not enough like what did what was I missing what did I not give and it took me years until I actually cheated on someone in a different relationship to realize that it had nothing to do with the other person.
It was all about me and all about, you know, the cheater. Right. It was what they were going through, not the person they were cheating on. Right. Yeah. It's something inside of you that you, for whatever reason, needed to go. Yeah. No, I agree. I think that you're 100% right.
And so, and so you know we're still on this the this the myth of swingers must be unhappy in their relationships and i've dug online um and there are several studies um where they're comparing monogamy to non-monogamy um the problem in a lot of these studies is the sample size of the non-monogamous people are so small because it's just hard to find swingers that will admit they're swingers i think there's a lot of non-monogamous people like i think the numbers are probably way off i mean because like do you consider is a cheater a non-monogamous person but they should be right yeah i mean like let's just think about how many people that we know personally that have cheated one or the other at some point like you'd be far-fetched to have meet someone that has never done anything at all i mean do those people exist absolutely but like we're being honest that it's few and far between yeah no i agree but yeah yeah so but my point is when you look at these studies about um non-monogamous people and they have them like you know rate how happy are you in your marriage how happy are you with your sex life and all those types of questions most of these studies um the non-monogamous people rank higher than the average monogamous person right so they're they're happier with their sex life they're happier with their relationship you know so this idea that swingers are unhappy and that's why they become swingers um lots of these studies would in ways debunk that now are there other studies that show different there there are and the problem is the sample sizes are small so it's it's hard to get i think a good um range but i would say the most that you know if you think about the couples we know and stuff um there are lots of happy healthy great solid relationships that you would want to model yourself after i'd also say a lot of the people that we know in the lifestyle are just good people in general right they're they're pillars in their community you know they have good job you know i mean like they're not what people think they are right they're not like the drug addict that's you know, does it have a good job or anything like that?
They're not what people think they are. Right. A hundred percent. They're not like the drug addict that doesn't have a good job or anything like that. They're the professionals in your cities, in your towns. Yeah. All right. So I think we need to take a break and go get a little word from our sponsors.
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And I'm like, I know that they think I'm just out there fucking everybody. You know, like, I'm just like, come on, boys, line it up. And that is not the truth. Well, I mean, that sounds like a good Saturday night. Actually, I'm probably like, I don't sleep with very many people at all. No, you don't.
I'm like the prude of the group not dan though dan's a hoe i am not i'm the hoe of the group for the males and yeah you're on the female side of at least our friend group you probably are a little bit more um conservative than yeah than most but that's i mean we don't judge that like i don't care if you do we love we love all of them um i particularly love the ones that hoe it up uh i judge you dan do you yeah you you love it i do love it no says the girl getting me water and condoms yeah i know so yeah a lot of people assume swingers it's just a free-for-all that you know it's just like a big orgy that everybody's just lined up take a a turn.
And that's just not the case at all. Most swingers are pretty picky. Yeah. And I think you, well, you, us, encounter that a lot with social media. Because how many guys have you had message you and say, like, oh, you're a swinger? Like, when can we meet up? Yeah. Well, and, you know, so I have Snapchat. And I get this a lot.
They're like, hey like when can we meet up yeah well and you know so i have snapchat and i get this a lot they're like hey when can we meet first of all they don't even know where i live you know or your name yeah and i'm like um i don't i don't meet people i don't do meetups but you're a swinger like yeah there's a difference between swinging and prostitution like they're not one in the same i get i get very fired up about this one yeah yeah there definitely is i think there is this misconception that swingers will have sex with anybody and i don't know like why just because because i guess again it goes back to we're all sex craze so therefore we must want to have sex with everybody that that is willing yeah um but i don't know but no it's not the case 100 not true i mean honestly like usually a couple will swap with another couple that's your typical swinging experience to get all four people on the same page like everybody finds everybody attractive everybody's into everybody everybody's parts are working appropriately like for all of that to work and happen like the stars have to align you know it's it's not as easy as i think like on tv or however people hear about swinging think it is it's actually a lot harder yeah i think you know so if you know prior to us being on tiktok and kind of assembling a large group of friends that we were very comfortable with you know early on in our lifestyle journey when we'd go to events and clubs and things like that it was maybe a 50 50 coin flip if that that we would actually meet somebody and engage with correct because when you go to swingers club you're only there for like what two three four hours it's hard to meet a couple make a connection close the deal and do the deed within that short amount of time yeah so a lot of times we would just go and like mingle and have fun and then go ourselves into a playroom and have sex and let people watch us and that was very kinky and just as hot for us as actually swapping with a couple and honestly we did that for years like that's you know and we still do that to this day if we if we go by ourselves and maybe not with a big group or something yeah no 100 i think you know again the term swinger the term lifestyle person it's such a broad term that I think you could have a couple in lifestyle that literally just like to go to clubs and have sex.
You know, they're almost sexually monogamous. Honestly, I am not opposed to that. I mean, like, let's just be honest. I mean, we've talked. I've been fairly open. Like, you're like my favorite person to have sex with.
I mean, let's just I love having sex with other people you know my body you know what works what doesn't and i love just i love the swinging atmosphere i love being around the people i love dressing up i just think it's fun and there may be a time that like we get to just that where you know we just go and just have sex with each other it like let people watch us or have next to people. I don't know. That, to me, it's kind of my kink. Yeah.
No, we've done that, you know, I wouldn't say countless times. We've done that a fair amount of times. And those experiences are usually equally as good as the experiences where we're actually engaged with other couples.
So I definitely think that's part of the lifestyle and maybe part of the lifestyle that doesn't talked about enough you know i mean that like hey you can just go to the club as as a couple that doesn't want to play with anybody and do these other things and those all those other things are super hot and great and awesome i think there is you know especially for newer couples when they enter the lifestyle there's almost like this pressure that you have to be a swinger you have to go and you have to go fuck somebody and that's yeah you know and like you know everybody's trying to do that you know i mean i think i don't think you might never get there but you can still enjoy the community and the spaces and the events without ever engaging in that if you truly don't want to or you know um i i think there is this if you're not a full swap you know couple fucking other couples you're not really a swinger kind of mentality and truly don't want to, you know, um, I, I think there is this, if you're not a full swap, you know, couple fucking other couples, you're not really a swinger kind of mentality.
And I don't, I don't agree with that at all. No, not at all. Yeah. I think there's, I think the lifestyle is what you make of it. You know, you could just play with the unicorns. You could just play with single guys. You could full swap with other couples. One part, you know, just the husband plays or just the wife plays.
You could just go and enjoy enjoy the kinky atmosphere and then and go back to your hotel room or where your house or whatever and you and your husband or wife have amazing hot sex for the next two months thinking about it it's whatever the lifestyle is whatever you make of it now is there people in the lifestyle that just show up and just do it with every single person? Yeah. I mean, there is. Yeah. I mean, maybe not every person.
But are there couples that go and are very open about who they engage with? Yes. And, of course, they're the ones that are giving this name. That's where people. Which, to be fair, no judgment. No. If that's the kind of play you want to engage in do it safely. You know, that would be my one stipulation of that. But if you do do it safely, fucking rock on with your bad self. If that's your kink, like. Do whatever you want to do. Right. Yeah. I totally agree.
But I agree that, yeah, people assume that that's every person that's in the lifestyle. Yeah, and that's not the case. I mean, like, just like we said earlier, less than 50% probably actually. I bet it's, yeah. I bet maybe 30. Yeah. If I had to put a number on it, I'd be somewhere around 30% of the people that go to an event or a club actually have sex at all that night. Not even like with another couple, but at all. Really? Yeah. No. Think about it. Think about how many people.
Next time we go to a club, we'll pay more attention. Okay. Like how many people are there and then how many people end up. Like you're not going to go home and have like hot sex together? Well, yeah, they might. Yeah. I mean like in the club. In the club. Yeah, in the public space. Okay. So I guess something that goes hand in hand with this swingers won't sleep with anyone is this whole idea of key parties. So can we talk about key parties a little bit?
I have never been to a a key party all right so what let's start with what is a key party so it is when you walk into a house party or club or whatever there is like a fishbowl a big bowl and you literally drop your keys in there and then at some point do you grab like you put your hand in there and grab a key out? Right. So I guess you, I would assume it would be all the sexes because you probably only have one key. We'd go, so the girls would all go grab a key and then whoever's.
Whoever's key matches yours would be your partner for the night. Right. Right. So this is, this is a real thing that has, that does happen and has happened in the lifestyle.
From what i've researched is it was kind of bigger back in the the 50s and 60s right yeah um and this you know kind of they're in the sexual revolution free love you know this whole hippie kind of movement that whole free love society it kind of was the birthplace of swinging you know that was kind of when at least it in America, right? It's existed throughout history. But in America, that was kind of the start of it.
And, you know, if you read up on it, there's some stuff about Air Force husbands being gone and they're, you know, whether they died in the war or whether their husbands were just gone, their friends would help take care of their wives.
You know, that's this is kind of the, you know, the alleged how all this started right um but the key party thing so yes it did it happen at some point in time yes um we've talked to swingers especially older swingers that have said yeah we used to go to key parties you know back yeah back in the 70s or something like that um it's not so popular today like a lot like we went to trapeze last month and they did a play on it they did a lock and key party so the women get a lock the men get the key you have to go around and ask people like to see if your lock unlock theirs but like nothing is implied i think we're in a whole different generation of like me too moment consent like nothing is ever implied i mean that that whole you know key and lock thing was when it's more of a social yeah to get people talking right more of like an icebreaker than anything and honestly it worked i talked to so many people to ask if like and i promised to like do the deed with a lot of people because our keys work i did not but i did i 100 did yeah well and the Thank you.
And I promised to do the deed with a lot of people because our keys worked. I did not, but I did. I 100% did. Yeah. And the funny, this is a side note, but the key that, or the lock that Lacey got, they had handed out, so there were smaller locks and bigger locks. And the small locks, the keys were universal. So everybody's key. So everybody that had a small lock fit all the small keys.
And so everybody's running around the like oh my gosh mine fits in yours and it's like yes they all fit in yours if you have that particular lock it's like half the club i would have been a busy girl if i had yeah had you had to honor the key party thing you would have been a very very busy girl i think there was a few guys that were disappointed that their key fit your lock and you didn't know i was promising things. I'm not going to lie. You were a few fireball shots in at that point.
But actual key parties. I have never been in attendance to one. I think we have met people that have talked about it, but not any. Like you said, there were an older generation of swingers.
Not anybody that would be around our age or even 10 15 years older would yeah and so my point uh to that is do key parties still exist you know probably likely i i'm i'm not opposed to the idea if we had a group of friends right if you had five six eight ten couples that you knew you were comfortable with um the idea of some kind of random um selection of who plays with who oh oh yeah it's kind of a hot and sexy idea and honestly that's probably where a lot of this came from if you really stop and think about it if you you knew you had like 10 couples that you were all attracted to each other and all were injured you know i could totally see having a house party right and something like that's my curiosity you know we should talk to because i think tom and bunny actually commented on one of our tiktoks and said you know i think we said like you know made like a missed tiktok and like key parties don't really you know aren't really a thing and they were like we used to do key parties back in the day you know i mean i was like oh yeah i heard that that back in the day they were more of a thing but they certainly aren't a thing now right it's kind of but uh i'd be interested to talk to tom and bunny and see like what how did it actually work right because i'm sure just like with anything it probably was more of like a lower key type right it probably amongst a friend group it makes sense but like tv and hollywood has probably made it out like it was like a free-for-all and that's the only thing that we know of because that's all yeah now i will say there was something to be there somebody said something about prior to the aids epidemic it was more common yeah um so i think you know prior when there wasn't as much of a fear for stds and diseases you know yeah um that maybe you would be a little more open to who you would play with um but but yeah so that's i would you know we should track that down further maybe further episodes we can dig more so if you've ever been to a key party a real key party email us Thank you.
with um but but yeah so that's i would you know we should track that down further maybe further episodes we can dig more so if you've ever been to a key party a real key party email us at the swing nation at gmail maybe we can just have a key party episode yeah we'll just talk to people about it all right all right so moving on from um swingers will sleep without anybody to swingers are all old people i am 37 years old i'm is that old i mean it's not young so you perhaps so yeah i mean overall i would say swingers are typically a little bit older and i think a lot of it has to do with like child like having children when your kids are you know young and they're in sports or have extracurricular activities hard to get away it's hard to make time for swinging um so I think that's one thing I think um having the self-confidence and the self-worth to know that you can watch your partner be with someone else and still know that they love you I think that comes with age as well um so i think typically yes a lot of swingers are older however i think in this like new age that we're living in um like with the whole i think kids are being raised in a more sexually open is that the correct term would you say like yes i mean like we're our children are being raised with the whole equality you know with transgender i think they're just being raised differently i think um you are seeing a younger crowd of swingers um we are 37 we typically do are on the younger side still yeah yeah still yeah um so yeah i think i think that one is kind of true i think a lot of the swingers are older like when i say older i mean like 40s 40s plus not that i think 40 is old because i'm knocking on 40 door but to a 20 year old a 40 would be old but like i i do think that your typical swinger are 40 50 plus yeah so but does that mean there's not 20 there is 20 year olds yes there is yeah so from the research i've kind of did on this subject a little bit is it does seem like there are a large amount of older swingers and i think it directly relates to this hippie free love movement that happened back in the 60s and 70s right so there was a larger population of swingers back then that were of that generation and so they've kind of carried on right so like you know if you were a swinger back in the 70s you're obviously older now right so there was this large population of them they still are around several of them um and so they are up there in age at this this point um but to to your point is you know there are swingers of all ages um and you know from some of my research they're they're saying the fastest growing age group is the 20 and 30 year olds that the that you know if you were looking you know at statistics year to year that that 20 to 30 age i believe it is surging because of you know likely what you're talking about um the internet you know it's much more just i mean just think about how it's blown up on tiktok in the last in the last year you know um so you know it is becoming more acceptable which is funny because i think, you know, I think sexuality is becoming almost like you said, like the seventies, like even in our children, it's not uncommon to hear them talk about sexuality.
Like it's much more open for people to be bisexual or pan. I mean, I, I didn't know any of that as a child or like, a teenager. I didn't learn that stuff until I was in the 20s. And I think that, like, this generation is learning it much younger, so they're much more open to it. Where, you know, it took me until I was 30-something years old to even say out loud that I was into girls. So, I just think it's just a different time. And that's great.
I will say, though, that if you are looking for a younger crowd or you're looking for an older crowd, there are ways to find that. There are definitely groups of swingers that typically bring in a younger crowd, like Friction, we've talked about.
There's groups that bring in an older crowd, like a Paradise Valley in georgia yeah so if you are in one of those age brackets you might just have to find your group yeah and i think it you know it almost goes to what um what the venue is right if you're looking at a place that's you know large you know club hip-hop you know like that's usually the younger type you You know, if it's a very party-centric group.
Like a Temptations in Cancun would probably be a younger vibe where Desire Pearl would probably be, like, an older crowd. More relaxing, kind of higher-end, like, yeah.
So it's all in what you want and what you're looking for you may have to ask around you may have to do trial and error you might have to go to a place and be like nope we were the oldest ones there this is my crowd yeah no we're the youngest ones there these are not my crowd um the cool thing is is like if you have a solid foundation with your spouse and you like are totally best friends and have a blast no it doesn't matter which group you're with you're gonna have fun yeah and i will say i've had just as much fun with 60 plus year olds that i've had with 20 or 30 you always say that you like the older ones a little bit better i do say that i don't know if i've said that here on the podcast but absolutely i think we both do yeah um but you know mark dan down on the record for there's something about a woman that has been engaging in sex for 20 more years than I have that she knows how to do it.
She knows what she's doing. And I think not ashamed to do it. Right. Not afraid. Right. Right. Yeah. She's like, I'll lick your butthole. And that's. Hey, I'm sorry.
I'm just saying I've had women do that to me and they they you know knew what they were doing and uh weren't afraid of of doing it so you heard it here yeah sorry tiktok but i mean we're being open here on the podcast we are hasn't been banned yet all right um anything else so that that was my my last um myth was about the age thing and i think i think you're right. I think there are of all age groups. And I think the younger generation of swingers is a growing community. I totally agree.
Which is exciting. It is. Except for we're soon going to be. We've been used to being the young ones. What happens when we're the old ones?
I look know i you know i look forward to those days i hope we have the same experiences that we've had as the young ones with the old ones you know i hope there's some youngsters come along and rock our world and we can kind of have that side of it at some point i agree that could be fun i think it's just like kind of like growing old with someone right you're we're swinging and growing remember when we were young and we used to have sex with the older people now we're old people having sex well we've met a lot of couples um in the lifestyle that had been in the last for a long time that they're like we don't really swap much anymore we're just happy to be here we're just happy to be around all these you know young fun people that's not gonna be me i'm gonna be swapping i'll be getting you water and condoms okay what's next all right so you want to talk a little bit about events yeah we can well so we have um we will be at trapeze atlanta this weekend so you're listening and this is thursday so we will be there saturday night may 21st may 21st um for diamond night it's the 8th yes 8th anniversary of the diamond club at trapeze which we're diamond club members we love diamond club we if you are in the atlanta area or you can get to atlanta within a few hours we highly suggest joining the diamond club it's awesome and uh yeah we look forward to partying with the diamond club and and with club trapeze this weekend um you know appreciate everything trapeze has really been a great you know shout out shout out to Liz and the whole crew there um there they've been fantastic to us over the last year and we we look forward to a continued close relationship with them going forward.
So if you're in the Atlanta area, come out to Club Trapeze with us. And then our next event following that is going to be Splash Takeover in Atlanta. I'm pretty excited about that one. Yeah, Splash kind of came. I guess they hadn't done much because of COVID over the last couple of years, and they are coming back this year stronger than ever. They got some cool themes. They got all-day pool parties. They got club parties at night. We really haven't had like a summer time yet.
You know, we've just been so busy. I'm excited to just lay outside. Get in the pool. Get in the pool. Get naked. Yeah. And it's like, what, four days? Yeah, it's Thursday through Sunday.
Yeah, so it's a four-day event, which I'm telling you, we have to start like getting ready for that yeah because i forget like you know at one day like a saturday wipe you out you have to pace yourself yeah for a four-day event yeah so you know easy on the fireball shots gotcha pace yourself hydrate deodorate all right so we gotta get ready for that so if you splash at's the date? June 2nd through the 5th. Right. They do sell day passes.
So if you are in the area and maybe can't come for the whole weekend, you could come over for the day, like maybe Saturday. Yeah. And I think they're doing partial, right? You don't have to do. At first, I think they're just selling the full four days. But they've broken it up for people.
Because I guess they had a lot of people that said, well, we only want to come know saturday sunday or something yeah yeah but they um i was actually looking on their website today they still have a few rooms left you can actually book directly through swingersociety.net which is dan and i's swinger website so check that out hopefully like it's going to be we don't have a huge crowd as far as going with us typically we bring like 20 people it's like five of us five couples which is pretty low-key for us so definitely if you were there please come say hello to us yeah and uh it was kind of a last minute decision for us i think it was we were not gonna go um they reached out they wanted us to come and so we we were making it work yes and then okay next event after that is naughty in Orleans.
And Naughty in New Orleans is the 6th through the 10th. Definitely looking forward to that. Very excited. We've always wanted to go to Naughty in New Orleans, and it just has never worked out. And this year, we were like, it's happening. We're going. Yeah. So super excited. And then, Secrets. We're doing Secrets.
We're doing a complete takeover of Secrets for our one-year it's a big deal y'all a huge deal august 26th to 28th those web those tickets are on sale on our website on swingers society.net and they're going fast i think we got like 50 something rooms already booked and it's only been up for like a week not even a week i don't think yet i think it's a week yeah but anyway um so if you want to come party with us secrets in the summer in august is going to be amazing it's going um so come come party with us we look forward very much forward to that secrets is always a good time um and then yeah and you book that on swingers society.net as well we've had a few people to go to secrets website and it shows sold out that's because we booked all the room you gotta you gotta book them through us that is a valid point yeah to book the room society.net you have to go to our website yeah and there are still our rooms i promise you um come get come get one uh and then secret sensations in october we're not going to hit too much on that but we'll we'll talk more about that as we get closer but that we're doing a halloween bash up in pittsburgh not philly okay it's all the same it's not all pee blitters all right uh and then uh we'll hit real quick on the pineapple cruise yeah you guys need to go book the pineapple cruise i'm excited about that uh yeah it's gonna be fun it's a partial takeover of a cruise ship which is good if you are not lifestyle or if maybe you're lifestyle friendly maybe thinking about it but don't not all the way in yet um you would totally be fine on this cruise because there's going to be other vanilla people there so you can you know not participate in any of the swinger events if you don't want to that's key right and we've we've gotten not pushback but some people have asked like well why not just go on a full takeover a few reasons one significantly cheaper yeah this cruise is two you're gonna have we're gonna have lifestyle there's gonna be club parties there's gonna be we're gonna be doing courses we're gonna there's gonna be plenty of opportunity um to do lifestyle stuff and those will be in separate cordoned off parts of the the ships right so you don't have to worry about interactions with vanilla people for that um so yeah if and if you are new it's a great opportunity that you can partake as much or as little if you want if you just want to come to the classes and stuff like that and maybe not go to the club you know you can kind of i guess choose your own adventure so to speak um uh so yeah it's definitely a great opportunity march 11th 2023 yes um key west cosmel it's um porting out of miami so we're really excited yes so get signed up for that um that the link for all that you can find it on swingersociety.net um and the links to all those events are also listed on our website um the swing nation.net under the events tab yeah and you'll you'll tag all that in the show notes so it'll be super easy for them to find right yep uh the only other thing i want to mention because we kind of skipped over it is for secrets we just started um we just put up a raffle right and so let's touch on that real quick um if you want to come to secrets um and maybe you're a little worried about the price um you can buy raffle tickets on um twitter society.net for a dollar a piece and you could win a full the full room for free well not for free but you gotta buy a raffle ticket but uh we are raffling off tickets and a hundred percent of those tickets the proceeds to that go to adaptive training foundation which is a group that helps veterans and first responders who have been tragically injured um regain their mobility right so it's um people it's, um, people that have lost their limbs, they're going to, you know, helping in with their prosthetics, training them on how to use them.
Um, so our business partner, Jeff, uh, who was a, was a police officer who was tragically injured. Um, you know, he's very close with that organization. He says that organization helped save his life.
Um, so it's very near and dear to us here at the the swing nation podcast um so we're going to be raffling off the tickets for a free room to secrets and then all during secrets we're gonna be raffling off different prizes and different events um we have a gofundme page set up for um for them so if you're interested in that charity event you know this is part of our trying to break the stigma associated with the lifestyle. We're doing charity.
Certainly veterans and first responders are near and dear to our heart, especially those that have been, that have given all in the line of service and been tragically injured and had that happen to them. So we're super glad to be part of that.
So I a question though what if you know you want to go to secrets and you booked your room that was smart of you because the rooms are going fast and but you still want to participate in the rifle so like you booked your room but then you're going to buy like 50 for the rifle tickets what happens if you win if you win we're going to refund you a hundred percent that's nice of the what you paid for your so then you can use all of that money to buy alcohol and party hardy at Secrets?
Or you can just buy me a thank you card. I mean, whatever you want to do with it. But, yeah, if you do win and you've already paid and booked for a room, we will refund you your money. Cool. So definitely. And the drawing for that is on July 12th, correct? July 12th. We're going to do it live on TikTok. Lacey's actually going to probably be in bed because she's having surgery. Dan will do it. We'll do it. We'll get it done. We'll get the name posted so that you can come party with us at Secrets.
So go check out theswingnation.net and go to the events tab.
You can find all about the raffle and how to get signed up um there okay anything else babe i think that's it i think we touched on it all guys we've got a lot going on so busy we appreciate you hanging out uh with us here um and uh hopefully we helped um helped with some of those misconceptions and myths i hope so i think we dispelled a few today we try we try all right some of them are a little true hey we give it to you straight here yeah all right guys i think with that in a world full of apples beat the pineapple beat the pineapple guys bye bye if you've enjoyed our podcast and want to support us leave a five-star review wherever you're listening if you want to see more of our content you Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram, OnlyFans, and more in the show notes.
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