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follow us on our journey of the swinger lifestyle with us both being bisexual and why we got into the lifestyle and a little bit about our past.
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hello here we are we are well this is by the way just like this is this is our first one so it's probably gonna be a little rocky and then be some hiccups i'm starting and stopping some probably some brain farts along the way i'm sure that's fine so this is by the way with dirty max and NC Hot Wife. Technically it's going to be N.C. Hot Wife and Dirty Max. Okay. We'll put your name first. Excuse me. So, it's N.C. Hot Wife and Dirty Max. You always have to do the center of attention anyways. Whatever. Also known as Ashley and Kyle. Yep. And, yes, those are real names.
And it's not my real name name i've created this alias since i've known you you don't actually know my first have you ever seen my first certificate i have i know exactly what it says that joke didn't go the way i was thinking it was gonna go know exactly what it is um okay so we'll start with like i mean we've been having people ask us to do this for years now i feel like since we were on tick tock live everyone's like you gotta do a podcast you gotta do a podcast and i'm like yeah what the hell are we gonna talk about like like we can make some like reels and tick tocks for like 30 second clips but 30 minutes that scares me to talk that long i don't like talking to you that long i think you're doing a really good job so far so we'll start with like a background about us so So I was born and raised in small town north carolina i was the good girl i went to church every most every wednesday and every sunday you didn't pay attention did you i was raised as a southern baptist um let's see i was a baton twirler and i did the color guard in high school i tried dance wasn't really great at that i was the good kid essentially yeah until i met him and then it was all downhill after that no it wasn't don't worry we're gonna dive really into your background and your history wingle and you just kind of just went across the surface okay so let's talk about you what where you're from what you from maryland obviously um moved down here had to go through a couple of your friends first before you know i decided like hey i'll save the i'll save the best for last i went through the scraps first oh yeah i forgot he dated like two or three of my friends first i forgot about that yeah i try to forget about that though so we met in high school obviously he was 17 at the time i was 16 we're really only three months apart but we started dating at the end of may so he was already 17 and i was not yet um we did meet through mutual friends but we were both in a marching band yeah he was a drummer and i was a baton twirler and color guard so i feel like that's like a typical high school kind of band dork kind of i wasn't a dork you might have been one but I wasn't I was cool that's just how I think of it okay it's like being a band dork and like oh my god just one time at band camp we didn't really have that no I don't remember that like we really didn't do any of that what man camp yeah i mean i did i mean i did too but like it wasn't like we had like really wild and crazy stories we just i'm out actually all america pie is fake nobody shoved a flute or clarinet or whatever in somebody else's box like this that was fake at least it was me i didn't see none of it i don't know you you're a clarinet player you you wanna you wanna kind of i didn't see none of that oh you didn't i mean it could have been there and i just not known about it that sucks let's see okay so we started dating through high school we graduated he decided he was going off to school he was going to the nascar technical institute the one that is in charlotte slash i think it's going to put out all our information i'm just kidding go ahead moores mooresville and and i just assumed that was kind of the end of our relationship i just really assumed like you didn't think that we were going to make it i just assumed like i didn't have hope in us i just you just thought that we were just you were going away to school and you were just going to go buckwad crazy and then i was going to be this good girl that was still at home in little old north carolina like what am i supposed to do in my life now i figured you were just going to leave me and just you just were just the light at the end of the tunnel was right there and you already saw it i mean i ever like i cried every time we learned something new every day oh my god anyways so it just got to the point to where like we just couldn't live without seeing each other yeah so i stayed back in little north Carolina, small town, and just did bullshit college classes.
You stayed the course. I did. You thought you were going to get a good job. I did. And look at you now. Yeah. All them wasted dollars and wasted years. Yeah. About that.
I could have just done this yeah um so you came or so you came home every weekend um didn't leave like came home friday night real late i would go stay with your parents house and then you would leave monday morning because you didn't have fast till what like one so we would only have to go like Monday to Friday without seeing each other really really there was only three whole days we had to go without seeing each other yeah and I would go there to visit you but I was not allowed to stay until Monday I had to go home on Sunday before it got dark outside, like had to be home before it got dark outside.
So I only went there a few times and then pretty much you just came home every weekend because you were allowed to drive after dark. Yeah, I had a vehicle that had headlights on there. You didn't, obviously, I guess. I was a very sheltered child. we'll say that yeah um i wasn't allowed to use like a knife until i was like 13.
um we're just talking about like cutting up vegetables and stuff like not anything like wild and crazy but anyways so you started school in was it june or july yeah something like that june july or something june or july a year or so later um what's the most important part what you started school in june or july that christmas oh yeah yeah that's right um we got engaged i did we did you forgetting about me like you obviously got engaged to somebody was it like did you get engaged to somebody else oh hold up a couple months ago you thought we were just gonna go to school and i was just gonna be long gone like you must have had like a roster or something like like you had some backups anyway um we got engaged that december and his parents were ecstatic super happy um mine wanted me to take it off of facebook we were 18 we had been dating for a year and a half by then a year and a half over a year and a half by then yeah eight months a year and eight months i guess whatever um so of course i like but we've always done stuff really fast like we're like all right like we're gonna do it we're gonna do it right now yeah like except we did have a really long engagement yeah but anyway so got engaged in december graduated in it was like end of 2010 something like that yeah it was like october or something of 2010 that sounds like a really long time ago that is a long time ago oh my god um and then we um basically you came back home i moved in with you and your parents which was all I love you.
we um basically you came back home i moved in with you and your parents which was all fine and dandy in the beginning um until we started working for them and yeah and then yeah we all four worked together and um like we were their employees at that point and we were like we got to get out of here so we got our first apartment stayed in there for a year you had a good job as a mechanic which you did well you had your first job yeah as a mechanic for three months then got fired I got fired yeah um and then went to his second job as a mechanic and stayed there for 11 years um 12 years it was like 12 i think either way 11 12 years something like that um until we decided to do our star journey um so i was still in school um trying to figure out life of what i wanted to be when i grew up um i still don't know what i want to be when i grow up um that would be my freshly tattooed oh i am so sorry at least it's my like soft yeah sorry um i forgot where was coming with that i don't know he had some like a bunch of like bullshit jobs i did i had a bunch of bullshit jobs um we basically just worked yeah we didn't really do anything super exciting no we worked a lot um when his parents owned their business that they did.
I worked for them. He worked for them and worked his other job um i tried to go through x-ray school to be an x-ray technician i started in august we were supposed to get married in april and the next year we got married and i filled up by one point in may and gave up on that yeah and just decided i was not going to do that and i think by then i was working in a restaurant and then just more jobs but we got married in april of 23. 2013 not 23.
um so we we had a long engagement but that would be strike number two of this evening and we ain't even been on here for just a little bit anyway first you were writing them writing me all from the get-go and now you're not even getting there you know anniversary right anyways so um got married in 13.
yep and we had a really long engagement like five years but he was very adamant about making sure that he could take care of us before um we like got married and everything like that um oh and i forgot to mention one of the most lovely things in our life that we did yeah we got dogs we got we got doggies yeah so we got our our first kid we got in 2011 and our second kid we got in august of 2014 and those are only kids yep anyways okay what else do you want to talk about um so we rented like we got an apartment lived it for a year like bought a house um actually actually rented a rent apartment and then rented a house and then bought it bought a house yeah bought our first house i couldn't tell you was it a year after we got married something like that yeah, yeah.
Um, we lived there. We had, he had his job as a mechanic. I worked in very different medical, whatever, blah. And let's see.
So fast forward, we do all this boring, like go to work, come home, all that stuff every day um we decided that let's see I don't have to um no dogs allowed go lay down right here lay down right here right there lay down cut sorry um we should at least give the little the little tiny like story as to why we don't have kids like why we don't have human children might have dogs but we just we can't i just you know i don't want to get all into it okay um long story short can't have kids yeah um so it's because the internet says i'm not a real man yeah that's exactly what it is um so all we did was work and then kept working and then we started talking about the lifestyle a couple years into our marriage yeah we talked about it but i mean we always had it wasn't like we just had like a vanilla like sex life before that it wasn't like weird i was just like hey you want to other people like we like well like no like we would go to like you know like adult store and stuff like that like we always had toys like we experimented stuff yeah and like we've never had like a boring sex life before no it wasn't like we did this because like we were constantly like trying different things with each other yeah like so it's not like we were in a band we were freaks duh um so we talked about it i'm pretty sure you sent me a text message about it for the first time yeah i mean like i would like show you like you know porn and stuff like that that was you know kind of interested me which i mean i i watched you know i watched porn all the time like when i was younger yeah growing up he watched a lot i was a teenage boy with a computer and internet access in my own room so what's a teenage boy gonna do and then i'm over here had to share like a computer as like a family well that didn't stop you from looking at it no but then whatever got in trouble yeah sweet little innocent ashley would not do that um it was my sister it wasn't me um which is funny because i'm pretty sure it's mostly lesbian form for the most part yeah we don't talk about yours who knows there's no telling what kind of porn you just watched all of the like fantasies and stuff you have in your course you may not have any of those before um let's see no but like I like I would start like you know kind of showing I mean we watched porn together when we're before we even started doing like the lifestyle I feel like so I mean it wasn't like I like you know like some guys that are married they're like you know if i were if they were married and they were sending like their wife like you know like something porn related like that's like unheard of like guys out there you know there's a lot of guys out there that can't fucking do that they gotta hide that all that shit like but i was able to like you know share that with you like we're really open yeah we always yeah like we didn't like keep shit from each other no um we've never been able to like we just like i'm like this is fucking hot like i gotta show this to her like let me see what she's gonna think but like that's how it kind of started was like seeing that kind of stuff and it was like i'm like i'm pretty sure it like it didn't start out with like other maybe like other couples like as far as like you know like doing stuff in the same room with them but it wasn't like like necessarily like swapping if anything it was like bringing another guy because obviously that was like our first experience yeah um but that like that's what when we started talking about like was what you sent me a lot of yeah was like doing stuff like either me doing something with another guy or like us doing something with another guy yeah um and like we started out like experimenting like playing with like toys and stuff like that like imagining you know like the fake male appendage is another guy or something like that you know what i mean like yeah so i mean and like that's how like we just really liked it once we it was like you know you kind of gotta like you get you get the visual from like the you know the pictures and videos in your head and then like then you kind of like take a little step further and kind of like experiment with you know like something but not somebody essentially to see how like we're both going to react because i mean beforehand it might not be the same way that you react like during like during you might be like oh my god like i don't really like this the way i thought i would like this like where do i go like you know and that's where it comes in where you have to communicate yeah um but that's a whole like we ain't gonna talk about that today yeah um but we talked about it for a good probably two or three years before oh yeah sure before we ever did anything um and we were on like i mean we would like talk to couples and stuff like that like but like nothing ever really went like anywhere for a while it seemed like like it was like we would get like group chats going but like for some reason like we could never align like with like going like like our Yeah, actually making it out of the group chat essentially like lined up and i mean because back then i was working two jobs you were really working two jobs with you know because we had our own little business so i mean it was kind of hard to really you know get away or actually make it happen we just you know or maybe that was just our excuse because we were scared i mean it could have been it really could have been yeah so like we yeah like we were on sdc and no we were on sl we're on sls yeah sls we were on sls used i feel like that used to be a big thing like i don't feel like it is as much anymore i think it is still um so i feel like we tried pretty fun back then but i don't think it was really that big back then yeah it's definitely a lot bigger now because i mean that's like we're talking 2017 2018 maybe yeah might even be as far back as like 2016 that we started kind of like talking about it really yeah because it was what like 2019 when we actually did something i mean i don't remember like the date it was either like 2019 or 2020 i can't remember.
Now I know why you're going with that. What? Um, where the first time was at. It was hot in there. Oh, was it, was that the first time or was it with the couple? I can't remember which one. I always feel like the one with the couple was first. Or was it not?
Uh- my timeline i'll fuck that then a lot happened it was 2020 a lot of things they were saying the social distance we were not social distancing we're doing the complete opposite yeah so the first person we ever met um was a guy yeah um it was actually a first off he was from found from double list yeah it was off double list so what if people don't know what double list is double list is so craigslist used to have like the you know like the dark pages like essentially like you know searching for you know male for male or male for female kind of shit like that um but then craigslist decided to take all their shit off so then double list you know started and that's essentially what it was it was like ads you know it was like facebook marketplace for sex essentially not without a price though it was just like you know wanted or in search of so our first experience i it was a guy um he actually was married he was and he he let us know that in the beginning he did he did tell us that in the beginning um i feel like his wife had just had a baby like recently so i feel like that was kind of like the excuse almost was like yeah but see we like no we never talked to her but we saw we saw pictures of her yeah we saw like messages for between the two of them yes um and like i feel like it started as like we're like he was gonna stop by where we were at and like we were gonna talk yeah and so we we said something like well you're like like is your wife okay with it does your wife know like like essentially like you know we just need to see that you have permission from your wife now looking back he could have like created like it it might not have been his wife he could have just been like his buddy and he just like changed the name on the chat to like wife and put her picture and he could have been like hey act like my wife for a little while yeah we'll get back at this so we're not real sure about that but that would be like a different episode because like then we would talk about like our first experience and stuff like that um but i feel like we could like kind of like go off into tangents like all the time yeah i'm trying to think about what that was the very first experience no because we don't want to talk about that yet about like what happened next after that yeah i thought we figured out it was the couple yeah yeah so like after so like we had our first experience with the guy um and then we had actually a really good experience with a couple that was it was just not just i don't want to make it sound like that they were soft swab which was and i think at that point we were like that's what we wanted to try out first was just soft swap yeah when it like we we weren't ready to dive all the way into it yeah because our first experience was soft swap yeah um and obviously so was our second um but we had a great time with them um after that isn't that when we went to We went to the WCAW?
Yes. Yeah.
time with them um after that isn't that when we went to we went to the ykw yes yeah um we went with another couple but then like it was weird like when you go first a lot of clubs are like that well i say a lot like trapeze isn't some clubs are like that to where the first time you go like somebody will show you around or like that's how this one was like like you had to wear a different bracelet to say that you were new yeah like um and then you had like so then like watch the video about like rules and stuff like that yeah but like we got there and then we got split up so we were in like one group and then they were in a different group behind us and then by the time we did like our tour like another couple had already grabbed us and started talking to us so we never actually got to talk to them yeah and uh still to this day yeah still to this day never really talked to them yeah um i'm really going like too far of detail with that yeah i mean we could yeah but i mean like we started the lifestyle because you wanted to see me with somebody else um and that was like hard for me yeah It's good.
me with somebody else um and that was like hard for me yeah um because we're high school sweethearts and we had never been with anybody else before um so i kind of feel like the like good church girl in me was like like obviously i had premarital sex obviously but it was like no like i've only ever been with you before like i've only ever been with one person like that's the way it's supposed to be like i don't know if this is something i could do and then you were brainwashed and then of course i was like i don't know like i've seen other male appendages in porn but like never done anything with another one like now you're just a male appendage kind of sore now look at you but like what if it doesn't like look like yours like what like i don't know i was really nervous and then like you said you wanted to see me with another guy but then like a couple swapping came up as well um just i don't feel like really because like that's what's i don't really feel like it was because that was like what's fair maybe maybe at that time that's how we felt about it yeah like if you get to be with another guy like there's no reason why i can't be with another woman now looking back now that you just said that like i i feel like we see that like with other couples like that we've met like oh like they're gonna get some like i'm gonna get some too and it's like it doesn't have to be like that like yeah um but I was very insecure I was a very jealous person which obviously because I was insecure so I was not sure about you with another woman at first um and i was like the opposite like yeah i mean i i guess i do have like some insecurities a little bit but not like like i know every person is different and stuff like that like i know you love me for me like you're not gonna leave me or at least i guess now you're not i mean i guess when we first started like when i was in school i guess you were going you're like you're going to but anyways um but like i'm not like i don't get very jealous like i'm like as long as you're having fun and like whoever's with you doing something as long as they're respectful to you like i don't care like i know that sounds bad like somebody's probably gonna watch this and be like man like you know but like i know that sounds bad but i don't care if the other guy has a good time if you have a good time and he you feel respected he's just he's just a stunt dick essentially Yeah, I mean, he's just Um, but yeah, I was a very, very jealous person.
Um, but it was really insecure. Like, I don't feel we're not going to go into all of this like childhood trauma shit, but like, um, um, I was overweight when I was a kid.
I had insecurities insecurity issues because i was overweight um i lost weight then i had low skin and i was just really insecure with who i was yeah um and i think my fear was that he was gonna like pretty much everybody else's fear when like the conversation is brought up it's like like they're gonna find somebody better and they're gonna leave you yeah they're gonna find somebody better they're gonna find somebody that like sets your dick better than me and they're just gonna leave um and it's really not what it's about at all no now i won't say that I'm sure, like,'t happen but um no we're not gonna get into that um but like you have to talk about it like but i will say after being in the lifestyle even before i had like my tummy tuck and stuff like that people women in the lifestyle men in the lifestyle they're just normal people yeah we're just normal people there's like like normal everyday people it's not like everybody yeah it's not like how like like you look at porn and it's like oh my god like all these people are gonna be like totally ripped and like completely muscular and you know these women are perfect women i mean they're their moms or dads their teachers their their policemen their firefighters their whatever their profession is this is just something they just enjoy doing behind closed doors yeah and having fun as adults like there's nothing wrong with it as long as you know you're being safe yeah and everybody's on the same page then do it and like as long i mean like so it just like made me feel better about myself because everybody else out there is normal like nobody like not saying there aren't gorgeous people out there that look like models that are in the lifestyle but it's not like a requirement no is that the best way to say that there's there's somebody out there for everybody in the lifestyle essentially i agree yeah um but i did i am better about that now despite what my tiktok shows um i am not as much of a jealous person now i won't say that i don't still get jealous no you don't that's fine um but like if you're if you come across as cocky like you're better than me then yeah i'm gonna have an issue with it, um i'm a lot better than i used to be man i get that way sometimes with other guys like i don't get jealous over it's just like you know nothing nothing to do with you kind of thing yeah if you're cocky come across as cocky no so fast forward at this point in our lives it's's the middle of 2025.
So, we've been in a lifestyle. We had... Actively, what, six years now? Seven, I think. Seven? I think so. Six or seven. Something along that. So, just more background information about us.
We our jobs i um we joked about starting a we joked about starting only fans for years yeah for a year we joked about it for years he used to have a razor and we had like the only fan stickers on there joked about it and then finally we like we went to trapeze in atlanta with a bunch of people and they're like oh my god like you don't have one you need one you gotta have one you gotta you know you can start one you can start one and yeah they're like you're gorgeous you should start one and i'm like fuck it let's do it so we started it we won't go into the whole shebeal shebang about it um but basically was like april it was like april 22 yeah april of um 22 i ended up leaving slash being asked to leave my job um was actively looking for another job he did not want me to look for a job um and he just wanted me to go for the only fans like full like, full-time, do that, which was extremely scary for me.
So I started doing that. Things started to get better.
Like, all the, like, profits, whatever, income, started to get even better and better and um to the point where he was he was helping so much with me that he was not making as much money at his job or tough commission so that was obviously you know a different thing for him um and so we decided i was like let's not let's like let's sell our house i think we were we were scared because we were like how can we because we you know we kind of played around with the idea of keeping our house we had the camper already like but like you know we made good good money but i don't know if this is enough money to be able to still live in the house and but you know if we sold the house and lived out of the camper and traveled then we would be you know totally fine yeah um and obviously so that's what we did and you know August of 2023, I quit my sold a house went on the road and traveled and made content yeah went to different parties and you know found other people to make contact with and we did that until almost two years almost two years may may of this year obviously yeah so we did it until may of this year until we moved into our house and we still still do it full time both do it full time um absolutely love living here beautiful it's weird being home with each other not like not weird bad but like i'm just kidding like it was an adjustment for like because like when you live Thank you.
it's weird being home with each other not like not weird bad but like like it was an adjustment for like because like when you live in a camper it's just like oh like you're just kind of like yeah it doesn't feel like a house but like now it's like we're in a house like we have a mortgage and like we do this and we do that and like we're home with each other every day like we don't have like a schedule like we have to like get up and you know get ready to go to work yeah you know come home no like it's just like what do you want to do today yeah i don't know what do you want to do that and it's like oh well i have to go get my lashes done today so you could stay home and work today like i'm just kidding um but like it's different but we love it yeah and i like spending every day with you you sure even if we get on each other's so that's our life now yeah we live in the myrtle beach area love it us and our two dogs yeah and we do contact full-time now yeah and hopefully we can continue to keep doing this yeah have a lot of stories no we have a lot yeah we're gonna have to like do part one and part two with some episodes we should have like named it like by the way the good the bad and the ugly with like the ugly and like all cats yeah because we're gonna get to Like to like there is no like i mean we love the lifestyle we you know but there's no shit we're not sugar coating shit yeah we're not gonna make it seem like it's you know all sunshine and roses for everybody because no like we'll maybe change people's names so we're not like yeah we're not gonna out people or anything like that um but so we'll we'll change the names for our stories but um we want you guys to know that it's not all just and we haven't seen everything like we're not gonna come on here and say that you know we're experts in our lifestyle because we're not we're continually like finding new stuff out or you know learning new things or having different experiences and stuff like that and there's a lot of people out there that are way more experienced than us that have you know they've kind of given us some pointers or you know shared some stories with us and stuff like that so like i feel like it's one of those things that like nobody ever becomes like an expert in the lifestyle because it's always changing like because before like t tock and social media it was it wasn't like this it wasn't that known like you know like google that like yeah like yeah now it's you know on apps and you know it's very easily yeah it's just like it's like everywhere like just about any store you go to you can find some shit with some pineapple in there and that trust me people didn't like pineapples that much before but you know the whole social media craze yeah all these companies started marketing pineapples to swingers yeah they knew what they were doing yeah they did that for a reason yep so we gonna wrap that up here today i think so because i feel like we could just ramble on yeah yeah so i can't remember what our list said we're gonna do next time but yeah we got a couple different you know episodes we're gonna be on the road in a couple weeks yeah we're gonna you know do one with one couple maybe maybe that can lead into doing more episodes with others have some have some guests on here but thanks for listening yep until next time yep