Bareback Exposure

@8INCH

Instead of being civil, I will stoop down to your level.

Don't sell me that self centered self taught dumbass shit. What you listed as diseases are not ALL inside the woman. If you had half a brain you would look at pictures of these things and see that they are located in the pelvic region. So when your pelvis touches the woman's pelvis you have skin to skin contact.

But hey ignorance must be popular.

@NC

A discharge that burns.

What are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to prove your ignorance? Keep writing.

"Does the condom protect you from anything else? NO."

Another sex conspiracy theorist....

Open sores, blisters, herpes, warts, hepatitis, etc that areinside the woman is contacting the condom, instead of the penis.

Don't sell us that bullshit, nor fav stats on your fav sites about 3 outta 4 ppl having herpes outbreaks.

Hopefully you don't teach your kids that condoms ONLY help prevent pregnancy.

Erotic what are the symptoms of Gonorrhea do you even know?

How much tinfoil do you go through or do you just reuse the hat you made to wear?

I guess the crevice where your thighs meet your pelvis is not warm and moist or . . . somehow you have a condom that covers your balls and that area as well.

Your ignorance is comical.

Erotic the bacteria's that are VD live in warm moist places and have to get into your penis, not on it to survive. My god the ignorance of you TV worshipping liberals is amazing.

NCAL

Your ignorance of subject matter is amazing. I am nearly speechless at your ignorance of this.

Yes . . . . skin to skin . . .

Do you think that the bacteria ONLY lives on the area covered by the condom for the male and is ONLY on the inside of the woman's vagina?

Something tells me that you are incapable of believing anything that any scientist has ever written. I could recommend some things to read, but . . . well . . . I think the tinfoil you wear on your head may impact the ability for the words to be deciphered.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPHECY

Erotic WOW you really dont know what you are talking about. Stop smoking that funny stuff and do some research. When a bug is passed skin to skin that means it must be in contact with the skin to be passed. A condom prevent that skin to skin contact.
The bacterial STDs can not live outside the body for more then a minute and the condom is a death sentence to any of those bugs the minute its out of the woman's pussy.

The viral STDs are pretty much the same. HIV need to be flowing blood to flowing blood, no a sore but from flowing blood to flowing blood to be transmitted.

Out of all the various STDs the biggest bug that is passed the most is Hep C. This is passed from blood to blood by people sharing a straw snorting cock or sharing a needle doing drugs. Or by anal sex like HIV is passed.
There is more Hep C then all the STDs including HIV.

“But seeing you want to play numbers . . .”

Erotica: Ummm no, numbers, that would be Mr. Vabeach and you coming in very very very late to a continuance of pokes from prior threads (now deleted) and could jump right into a pile of pewp that looked like a tantalizing moment to cash in on some yummy pudding. However, I think you are misinformed on my information and went on a long ass explanation you assumed others would have done.

Have a good day!

@888

I think you are a little misinformed as to what condoms protect you from as well as how STI's are transmitted.

So let me start with something very simple.

What does a condom do?

Most people will go on some long ass answers here. The answer is actually quite simple. It captures male ejaculate. That is all that it does. Now ask yourself what are the benefits of capturing male ejaculate and what are the ramifications of NOT capturing it.

Not capturing the ejaculate exposes the woman, if it is deposited into her vagina, and she is ovulating, pregnancy. If she is not ovulating, she will not get pregnant. Now what else is in male ejaculate? Oh . . . HIV. HIV is a blood borne disease and needs to go blood to blood to transmit. Now the interesting thing about HIV is that if you are HIV+ and have a wide open sore and I pour HIV+ blood into it, you may or may NOT get HIV. It is not a binary thing where it happens all the time.

Does the condom protect you from anything else? NO.

Gonorrhea, Syphilis and Chlamydia are passed by skin to skin contact. It is bacterial based and likes that area. HPV and HSV are also skin based. So if you want to protect for those, I suggest the condoms that were used in the movie Naked Gun. That way you will be protected.

Before you start claiming BV as a STI, personally I think the CDC is fucked there. If a woman can get BV just by taking antibiotics and thus fucking up her PH, that is not a STI. There was no SEX involved!

But seeing you want to play numbers . . .

How many people are sexually active in the US? 200 million? Want to give them having sex once a week as an average? That is 10.4 billion times that sex occurred. What did the CDC report for HIV new cases last year? Wasn't it like 30k and of the 30k, about 10k was from hetero acts, the rest was needles and m2m contact. So now we have 10,000 cases out of 10.4 billion acts. Yes, this is really the one in a million odds.

But let's talk about something else that is more apropos: Stigma. Why is there such a stigma? You are more apt to get a cold or a sore throat from the exposure to people at parties. Those can fuck you up for a few weeks. Get gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia and you can be cured within a week by taking a Z-Pack.

Condoms are also effective in one other aspect that can not be measured: Peace of mind. If they give you peace of mind, congrats, do what makes you happy and comfortable. But when you think that they are protecting you from anything . . . well . . . not really.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPHECY

Good then please explain why the CDC uses the word linked instead of the source of the outbreak is?

Linked means what? Yet the CDC destroys farmers because of the CDC linked them to E Coli

"there's stupid and then again there's really stupid"

The Forum is blessed with another kind of stupid- really special stupid.

Sasha you are so wrong. all of goverment has been turned into a political weapon and machine of the Democratic Party. Just the simple fact that all of goverment is union says it all.

The CDC is a fucking joke of what it once was. just the way they handle E coli outbreaks is disgusting. Instead of tracking the outbreak to its source like they are supposed to, the CDC makes amateur guesses as to the source of a food borne disease outbreak and then destroys the farmers. Later when traced back to its source the farmers that have been destroyed are never the reason for the outbreak. Its all food from Mexico.

Hilary Clinton used to CDC to try to destroy Chipotle. Chipotle refused to pay the money that Hilary demanded after she walked into Chipoltle Restaurant on national TV during the presidential campaign for all that free publicity she bought Chipolte. Within a week the CDC publicly declared that Chipolte had a massive Salmonella outbreak. Not one Salmonella bug was ever found at any Chipolte restaurant EVER BY AVYONE.

Government is a political weapon of the Democratic Party. Government in America is all corrupt all criminal unions whose only purpose is to take away the freedoms of the American people and line their pockets with massive salaries and retirement in their fifties with massive pensions that will turn my children into virtual slaves to the goverment.

there's stupid and then again there's really stupid. CDC is not an agenda machine for Obama or anyone else. Established by Congress, the CDC Foundation helps the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention do more, faster, by forging effective partnerships between CDC and corporations, foundations, organizations and individuals to fight threats to health and safety. The CDC Foundation is a 501(c)(3) public charity.

If you want to ride in our car you'll wear a safety belt. Don't like 'em? Cool...walk. ;^)

What a great load off. NOT. Never had that effect going. Anyhow, glad to hear from various points of view, even though so many are so narrow-minded and scaried (not really a word, just like it) into their little frenzy. Look, y'all do what you please. We do. We are honest with everyone and we know we're not everyone's cup. What do they say? There's many a slip between a cup and lip. Anyhow, these preferences come only to what it means to the individual or couple of individuals, and they mean exactly jack to anyone else. Weren't there? Not your problem. It's our lookout and we feel good doing what we're doing with whom we're doing it. We know them, we trust them, we support them, we suck and fuck them. Are we likely to fuck people outside our normal, known core dynamic? Maybe. Maybe even without a condom! Gasp!!! Whatever. So do your thing, but don't sit up taller in your desk chair and assume you know how to monitor the swinging lifestyle. Nobody cares about your hall monitoring. Get on with your stuff and have fun, or don't.

the CDC has been turned into a political propaganda tool by Obama. We get their daily newsletter. its beyond belief the lies and propaganda that the CDC now spews out every day.

"The real deal: There is no possibility of "safe sex" unless you already know the people you're both fucking, their hygiene, health habits and lifestyle outside of swinging."

No, not really. Even that's not safe sex, it's safer sex, and that's all that anyone is saying about condoms. Condoms provide a safer condition, not a safe one.

Don't want to use them? No one can stop you. Well, no one but the person(s) you want to have sex with.

Tramp

Just for clarification, anyone’s use of condoms is preference, nobody is trying to “recruit” anyone for nor against, as it was called last time this was stuff was hashed out. When nobody is bashing others for using condoms, there shouldn’t be anyone bashing for not using them either, especially being naive enough to believe they are the holy grail.

Current: lol at bullshit. You didn’t want to rehash because you did exactly the same thing as last time when approached about your actual percentages of real time protection of safe play and taking it back to your girlfriend. I provided up to date CDC coverage last time and you flailed up and left then too; no matter, you’ll be back. Nobody is begging you to endure any of it; you’re just being pissy because you don’t like the truth; Have some cheese to go with that. I also hear ignorance is bliss as well.

I suppose SLS deleting all the years worth of safe sex threads along with all the others provides an opportunity to rehash all the same arguments, present all the same statistics and cover all the same ground for those who prefer such an "opportunity" to having a life. I would rather not hear fans of bareback sex make up all the same bullshit yet again. For those who are actually interested, the CDC has a lot of good information on the topic as well as links to many actual studies.

No glove, no love. Unsubscribe.

Ncal: Learn to comprehend.

888 so you are not a swinger and just attend events to say you have been there

"given the "real level of protection" provided by condoms (ie extremely significant by virtually any credible - emphasis on "credible" - evidence),"

Understood in your view, yet approximately 30% "immediate partner protection effectiveness" or "real level of protection" by credible statistical data, isn't that effective in most all instances; especially considering your ability to contract a numerous amount of STIs and STDs with one. We won't go thru the whole HIV spill again, we already know it is one of only a few effective against. We've also been through this before on the forums and I won't embellish the protection being of 99.997% after being the 841st partner in sequential queue crap that Mr. Va tried. I will ask one last two-part open and honest rhetorical question though: The answer will vary amongst others with comfort level and most won't answer honestly anyway, but do you honestly always use a condom with your girlfriend and were you each other's first? Doubtful, as with the majority of singles stop using them when coupled. Rhetorical, remember, no need to answer, just shedding a light on things. We know a lot of singles who stop using them with their current partner, but do continue to use when swapping up.

I will answer to some of the posters in here by saying, we use male and female condoms with those we do not know on a VERY personal level. Heck, we don't fuck for the sake to be fucking, like many forum users admitted here and other threads. We have to find an honest interest in the people before even considering play. There also has to be a mutual trust and a longevity of truthfully knowing someone on a personal level before we would consider playing without; meaning only a few have ever made the grade over the years and we continue to see them regularly for other things as well. If that gets us opted out, so be it, we already know a lot of this type of discussion is hypocritical.

Also, to put to light, we have attended house parties, yet we don't participate in the types of 20+ people body-mangled fuckfests that goes on, regardless of protection, due to unmonitored and exponential risks. Does it make condom users more safe at these type events, no, in short without re-explaining due to posts/thread deletions.

~Allen