Bareback Exposure

Oral sex generally and oral sex with women particularly is the weak link in safer sex. For those who bareback, I kinda feel like they should disclose that before even giving their names, which would let the rest of us opt out. I've already had one herpes scare due to someone else's unprotected sex and I would rather not have another.

I don't know if I'd call those who bareback dumbfucks, but it does seem unnecessarily risky and, unless they draw all their partners from like minded folks, it does add risk for others and I'm not okay with that.

ncal, I'm not going to point you toward other studies, because apparently it's a government conspiracy when a study shows information you don't want to be true. But, no, it's oral HPV and it occurs in a small but significant percentage of men who are tested for it. It shows up less frequently in women, but I'm unable to discover if that's just straight women or women generally, including a proportional representation of bi and lesbian women.

Allen,

I the rare event she isn't there when I'm fucking another woman, yes she knows about it, always in advance.

And, given the "real level of protection" provided by condoms (ie extremely significant by virtually any credible - emphasis on "credible" - evidence), she is comfortable with it. We discuss the issue from time to time, always in the context of how idiotic we find it when people we know play bare. Recently we've had an ongoing discussion with two other close lifestyle friends about whether we would stop playing - at all- with a couple we know who we all like and who hang with a crowd know for playing bare at their parties (which parties none of us any longer attend). My vote was, despite the fact that the female half is lovely and hot as hell, was "let's just be vanilla friends".

Dumbfucks? OK, perhaps too harsh. How about insane? That's accurate, in my view. In any case that type of behavior, couched as it may be as a personal choice, is a threat to the broader community. It is just as ignorant in my view as the "anti-vax" movement. and for the same reason.

Current: “Dumbfucks” is pretty harsh word.

Curiously:

1) Did you ever tell your girlfriend you are fucking other women?

And

2) Knowing the actual real level of protection condoms provide, how do you believe she feels of you increasing her risks of getting an STD from you?

~Allen

Well, in a Darwinian sense, I suppose I should be thankful at all the dumbfucks out there self selecting through non condom use. However, in a more Trumpian world view (ie "Hmmmm, well, I don't give a fuck about anyone else but what does this have to do with ME?') I am concerned about the effect of these (you) idiots on the spread of multiply drug resistant VD.

Squamous papilloma is what he is seeing and its very common. I dont know if our communist govemrent is trying to say that Squamous papilloma is now to be called oral warts.

Kind of like the way our communist govemrent reclassified what sexual harassment is. today is anything a man says to a woman that she does not like.

And now I guess Squamous papilloma is being called oral warts, anything to scare the hell out of the people so all they do is eat massive amounts of food and sit on the couch all day in fear of doing anything. Get everyone as fat and sick as possible so govemrent can own healthcare in America and rule the people like the kings of old.

NIH LOL Obama turned all of government into a political weapon, you should see the propaganda that the CDC puts out daily.

Government in America is nothing more then the enemy of honesty and the freedoms of the American people. We have the IRS turned into the Gestapo to harm and destroy innocent Americans who only exercised their free speech right while forming the Tea Party.

We have the FBI and DOJ and CIA colluding together to take down a newly elected president of the United States. NIH has become another political arm of the goverment.

I had to take my kids to school before I could reply but I found the same 2002 article. I have a hygienist friend who sees oral HPV occasionally in healthy people.

Ncal, jesus, I know you're not right in the head and have no social skills at all, but basic manners says you use quotation marks and cite your sources when you directly crib, word for word.

The portion on oral warts comes directly from the NIH website and is an abstract of a 2002 paper.

So, no, it doesn't come from his wife, either. It's just Google and carefully selected, because he passed by a lot of research that indicated that once again, he doesn't know what he's talking about and oral HPV can affect people who do not have immuno-compromised systems.

My wife does not blog,but she does write up her research just like the abstract that i pasted.

its very simple to find the truth about medical issues by going to pubmed and doing a search. The below is a abstract of the article and is free.

Everything that comes out of goverment about medicine and is on the meida is a lie. This has been going on since Hilarycare failed in the 90's. Government wants to own and control everything in America with medicine their number one target. Look at the lies about what is healthy to eat, look at how obese everyone is because they blindly believed the media and the govemrent on what to eat.

The ends justify the mean is the core of Communism and the govemrent and media is getting everyone as fat and sick as possible with their lies so they can own and control everything and evyeone in America.

Has it ever occurred to anybody that when NCal posts about medical stuff, it's the wife (who is in the "field"), is the doing the posting, and the swinging "wisdom" is from him? I'm sure they are not the only couple to both use the same account for the forums. Either way, it is a scary thought to me.

In accordance to TRUTH something that the Democrats and their lying scum media never tell.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPHECY

Here is the truth and real science about oral warts, This is why the lying communist bastards say its sexually transmitted, because they can not say its a gay disease.

Oral warts are a manifestation of human papillomavirus infection that have been noted infrequently in persons with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). A nested case-control study was conducted to assess rates of and risk factors for oral warts among a cohort of HIV-seropositive patients. From 1997 through 1999, 56 patients with oral warts were identified among 2194 HIV-positive patients attending an urban oral health center (prevalence, 2.6%). Incident cases of oral warts were significantly more likely to have been diagnosed in 1999 than they were in 1997–1998 (P = .001). Multivariate analysis indicated that the risk of oral warts was associated with a =1-log10 decrease in HIV RNA level in the 6 months before diagnosis of oral warts (odds ratio [OR], 2.35; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.08–5.11) and with serologic evidence of chronic or previous infection with hepatitis B virus (OR, 2.66; 95% CI, 1.31–5.41). The incidence of oral warts in HIV-seropositive patients appears to be increasing in the era of highly active antiretroviral therapy. Oral warts were associated with reductions in virus load, which suggests that this may in part be related to immune reconstitution.

The pictures that I have seen that are being called HPV/warts are Squamous papilloma. This virus is very common and harmless. White raised things in the mouth are Squamous papilloma. Warts are skin colored and have a rough cauliflower surface.

You cannot trust what government say, its all a lie. Things like second hand smoke causing cancer is a pure 100% lie for example. The Communists want to control everything in America including medicine and sex.

Real warts inside of your mouth are almost unheard of. One garbage article claimed that warts in your mouth is the cause of mouth cancer. Unbelievable.

Honest medical anything ended when Hilarycare failed and the Clintons and Democrats and their media set out to make all Americans as fat and sick as they could get so the Democrats could take over and own all of medicine in America.

For someone who claims to be in science, you are clueless. Look it up. There are photos, too. Then maybe you'll be able to understand that, yes, these are warts in the mouth. No, these aren't AIDS infected people.

there is no such thing as warts in your mouth. Come on already. Maybe some AIDS gay with no immune system left.

HPV. Oral HPV. You can pass it on from oral sex and kissing.

I know I'm not a man so it probably doesn't count, but I did get a yeast infection after a man performed oral sex on me. I did not have sex with him or anyone else. And it happened twice with this same person. I stopped seeing him after the second infection.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROPHECY

WHAT???? My god the media has made everyone stupid. No one knows any basic science any more. You don't share toothbrushes because you pass COLD viruses this way. NOT VD. My god.

I feel like we as a society have regressed back to the dark ages with everyone blindly believing the priests. Turn of the TV already and stop destroying your brains.

Shoe me one woman who has gotten VD from oral sex. PLEASE. I want to see any kind of VD even a man who get a yeast infection in their mouth from doing oral on a woman.

One case and don't ay cold sore its a very different bug.

We find it more amazing that people insist that condoms be used for "safe sex" and really believe they can put a cock or pussy in their mouth during foreplay and not be "exposed." Really? Cum on people. Why is it then, that we are not supposed to share toothbrushes - even with our significant others - due to the amount of exposure to that bacteria and that blood flow, which is enormous. Why do you think hookers use flavored condoms when performing oral for a customer? The pros know, that's why. Like to lick pussy? I do and I always do. Where is the protection from that for those of us who do? Under the tongue is where many emergency medical remedies are given due to just that; a significant amount of blood flow and the most readily available without using intravenous instruments.

The real deal: There is no possibility of "safe sex" unless you already know the people you're both fucking, their hygiene, health habits and lifestyle outside of swinging. Then there's those who want to make sure they get tested every few months. Really? If you did get it on with someone you shouldn't have, you're already fucked. Get it? I used to work in the medical field at the street level, with EMTs and paramedics, as well has having a few girlfriends who are nurses. They will all tell you there is no way to be totally safe. The best we can hope for is to be aware of who we're fucking, their habits, personal practices, as described above, as well as - and this is probably most significant - are they in a high risk demographic? Intravenous drug users (difficult to hide this, folks)? Traveling to South America, Africa (for instance) on a regular basis?

We have been playing in a core group of swingers who have become close friends for years now, for just this reason and we always are playing bareback. The simple fact: Even a handshake with someone can transmit the virulent diseases, because people just refuse to wash their fucking hands and then go out into public smearing their dirty habits on every door handle they touch and that exposure can result in the ready transmission of any of the diseases you care to name that can survive in an oxygen rich atmosphere for more than 24 hours - hepatitis, just to name a very common one and there are many types of just that one.

Your bottom line: Unless you know without a doubt who the person you're fucking has been fucking within the last 12 weeks, you could be fucking dozens of people. Do we have to all be great friends with every one of the people we have sex with? No, but it doesn't hurt to allow it to happen. The most safety we can provide in this lifestyle is knowing what to look for in people that we become involved with. There are no guarantees, period. But we can narrow the possibility by being observant, diligent, respectful, truthful and candid with every couple and single we encounter, period.

Sandwich lol too funny. I did post earlier I was horngry lol

Bry, nope. Later, I’ll need a sandwich and a way to get there. :-P

:-)

888 want my condoms too? Lol

“maybe I should just stop having sex”

Yes, leave your wallet and car keys outside the door.

:-D

I always use protection but maybe I should just stop having sex hmm